Great news! Thanks for explaining that when it's 4:2:2, the device CANNOT TELL whether the bit-depth is 8, 10 or 12 due to the way HDMI signalling works. More people need to realise this!
This confused the hell out of me on the FreeSync info screen when I first connected my PS5 to my CX through a 4K/60/HDMI 2.0 limited receiver. I actually dropped it down to 4:2:0 to boost the bit depth, but if that was just due to a misreading, maybe I'll boost it back up.
From 8 minute onward, you showed a window desktop screen running at 4k 120hz vrr hdr to demonstrate the rtx gpu ran without issues with the onkyo. However, at around 8:34, the screen suddenly flashed and if you look at the top right corner, the hz number started changing (it was at a constant 120hz before the flash). What was going on there? Is this sth to be worried about?
Please do audio lag AND input lag tests between the console being connected to the AV receiver vs the console being connected to the TV while the audio is being passed through eARC to the AV receiver. Thank you in advance.
This is my problem. Avm70 and q90t: game mode doesnt work with avr video passthru, and audio is compressed with tv audio passthru. Atmos earc works, but it lags :(
Czekamy , czekamy :) Nie śpiesz się ONKYO. Tak długo czekałem na Wasz nowy ampli, że wytrzymam jeszcze te parę miesięcy. Powodzenia!!! Thank you for this test. It pays to wait many months and this video helps you wait for the TX-RZ50. greetings
Thank you Vincent for your always-awesome content (I know this comment is months later). This video at the 1:00 mark helped me realize there was a setting I needed to change on the TX-NR6100 to get the VRR, etc. working with the Series X. Other information I'd found strongly gave the impression the receiver should work with it, but it wasn't initially. Then I found this video and that setting allows the Series X to work well so far with full capability with my LG CX. I was about to return it before I found this, so Thank You.
I bought the Marantz SR8015 recently. The 120 is working now. They had an update. Before they were sending customers a little box to solve the issue but now the new ones come fixed. This Onkyo is a cool unit.
Yamaha is claiming full support on it's yet to be released AVR's but after a firmware update with no release window so what Onkyo and likely Pioneer has done is fantastic.
I honestly never understood the “its too big” critique for audiophiles. Like seriously, if you care enough about a high end audio system then you should know enough to be able to organize your space efficiently or just full on hide the receiver. If it is a certain size it is because that is what is REQUIRED to do what you are paying for it to do in the first place.
I got the little box that fixes the 4K 120hz issue on my AVR2700H. I didn’t notice any issue before, but I got the box for free just in case there ends up being an issue. So far so good! 4K 120hz at 10-bit color shines nice through my LG CX
Vincent delivering the good news! Seems like I'm finally replacing the relic that is my 90s Sony AVR. Hopefully eARC + PS5 also works perfectly on the Onkyo.
Thanks for the great news! I may finally have found an AVR to replace my NR1007 with - 3 working 40Gbps inputs, Dirac Live calibration. Looks like a winner to me.
Well, let's be honest: it's the least used feature. Most people only use a it a handful of times, so why spend time and resources giving it a makeover?
@@MrSatyre1 I use my menus all the time but then again I’m always tweaking and adjusting stuff. It’s sorta my kryptonite. But I’m also a proponent of learning my equipment 100% inside and out.
Great news that you were able to get a pre production model to test! I’ve got my sights on the Denon/Marantz receivers they also recently announced will be released later this year, supporting all the 2.1 features.
9:45 this definitely makes shopping for a receiver much easier, thank you I like you for really simplifying this whole process /sarcasm. Without your chart I'm not going to be able to know what these things support so now I actually have to refer back to this specific timestamp
@Tech & Gaming Input lag and response time are different things. Input lag is how long it takes between the signal being sent to the TV and the TV displaying the signal (a button being pressed on the controller and the character reacting on screen). Response time is how long it takes for the pixels to refresh each frame, which results in better motion clarity and less blur. Modern OLEDs are generally great in both regards, though.
@@thegrimyeaper Voxx /Sharp came in to buy/save Onkyo. It's being finalized at the end of this month. once that is completed, you should see these new models on their website.
Thanks for the replies, I was going to ask the same thing. Kinda annoying how (imo) cryptic it is, who's ever going to stumble across that. Dunno about the rest of you but I don't have a habit of spamming buttons to see what happens, same as the other little menu accessible buy spamming the mute button - wtf right...
Yesterday I got the Denon SPK618 adapter box which does appear to fix the problem with the chipset in the 2020 receivers. I would love to know exactly how they are doing it, but I can now get full RGB 10b 4L10 from my RTX 30 series as well as Series X. It's a stupidly huge box but at least it's powered by 5V micro USB and not another wall wart. Such an expensive bug! Looking forward to upgrading to a 2nd gen receiver with multiple 2.1 inputs for sure.
Thanks so much for this video! If you have many sources then controlling them via AV receiver is a must and up to now I wondered where the solution for HDMI 2.1 is. It seemed like 2.1 is only for people without AV receivers. So these new Onkyo receivers might finally be the solution and it is great that you are on top of things reporting this inportant news!
My Onkyo Rz820 is still kicking out great Dolby Atmos and DTSx 🤘. Not to mention massive size and clean looks with all metal construction! Has great customization of speaker placement and individual speaker control!
It would be interesting to know what the best way to connect is with regards to picture/sound quality and lag. For example if I connect everything to the TV and use ARC will I get any sound lag, and if I connect my source to the receiver will I get picture lag or worse PQ?
Just got an AV receiver and have the PS5 direct to the TV and earc back to the AV using pass through on the TV. Seems to work perfectly and I've certainly not noticed any audio lag.
@@el_p1nko The new Aventage AVRs RX-A4A / A6A & A8A will support bug-free HDMI 2.1 on all 7 input ports. Plus they will be released earlier ... in July
With the sound redirected from the TV to the amplifier via eARC and the consoles directly plugged in the TV no problem to play 4K 120Hz with Dolby atmos. This amp problem has never been a real issue for those having an eARC connection. But this makes things easier for sure :)
Sucks to hear of these lipsync issues while using eARC, as I was hoping that was my solution to being able to have uncompressed 7.1 without adding any additional input lag to the video.
@@boufftiti ok I need to try that. With that said, using uncompressed 7.1 or PCM instead of Bitstream means no Dolby Atmos, correct? Afaik Atmos goes over Bitstream.
@@MovieCaveDave even an elgato capture card that says "zero lag" passthrough actually adds a small amount of lag... linus tech tips did a test with a lot of hdmi devices and they all added some small amount of lag
I have a Denon 3700h I did some tests on it's passthrough running to a c9. Comparing it to an Acer x27 predator. Using a millisecond counter and camera with 1/1000th shutter, The c9 showed more recent frames no matter what inputs (on the AVR) or outputs (on the video card)I used. Whatever latency there was was very low.
You don't need the amp to support VRR and Dolby Vision as you can feed video direct to TV from Series X then feed the audio through EARC to the AMP. As long as your AMP has EARC input there would be no need to upgrade to a newer one unless you really wanted to.
@@DEVILTAZ35 yes, but that would make the point of this video pointless. As it is for the scenario where all HDMI 2.1 devices are plugged into the amp/soundbar so it can also act as a HDMI Switcher. Using eARC avoids the amp incompatibility issue but doesn't solve the problem of having to plug everything into the TV directly.
@@xFrozenxSnowx isn’t it better to just plug all to the tv so that can easily switch input using only the tv remote . I don’t see the advantage of plugging things to the aV receiver..
@@n25992 depends on where your TV is relative to your other components. If you wall mount your TV, it is easier and cleaner to just run one HDMI cable from receiver to TV than multiple for each device. If that makes sense. With HDMI-CEC and universal control, it is possible to switch av receiver inputs using the TV remote. Though with eARC the idea of TV being the hub is being pushed around. It makes sense to make the AV receiver cheaper and also not obsolete as soon as a new HDMI standard comes out. But its not optimal for certain setups to plug everything into the TV. Wall mounted TVs and projectors come to mind specifically. It is annoying enough to run 1 cable up the wall. Imagine running several..
We all want to know this but the universe has conspired to keep this a secret. It’s a conspiracy and so do not expect any straight answers. We are NOT to know.
straight is always better, but i do not feel any different . maybe i just dont care to the utmost detail, as long as i can play it fine without noticeable delay its fine. at least for me, not too hardcore gamer for 30 years
HDTVTest is there any advantage to plugging devices directly into your receiver then connecting your receiver to your TV compared to plugging all devices to your TV then connecting your TV to your receiver?
@@verticostate Yeah ... I hope it will arrive in time. Nevertheless it will not be fully functional until Yamaha delivered the firmware updates for HDMI 2.1 & Auro 3D at a later point in time. But I know it will be bug-free HDMI (all 7 input ports) and offers everything I was waiting for during the past 4 years :-)
@@marcuscole8796 I will second that. Demon, I meant Denon, and Marantz setups and UI are painfully obtuse. Additionally, Yamaha and Onkyo offer so much more values. Please share for those of us on the fence. Thanks
Would love to see a review of the Pioneer Elite VSX-LX505. Been waiting on HDM2.1 to get sorted out but would really like to know about input lag (if I connect a SX to the receiver, then the receiver to the TV).
This is a great example to people who 'need' the latest/greatest tech. It's more valuable to us if we wait 1+ year for everything - PS5 / TV / Receiver. For me, I will wait until PS5 Pro until I build my home theater, and then everything should work as expected. Games and content will operate @ 4k/8k 120/60 without issue. Non OLED TVs will hopefully be as good as OLED is now.
Does using this receiver eliminate your ability to put the C1 or CX into PC mode? How do you manage all the the different optimizations for each device?
Would be nice if you can test the input lag as well. See if the receiver having any effect on that, if it adds milliseconds to it. Cause if it's a few ms, no issue, but if it's a lot it's not sadly a solution yet.
9:54 - is there any important, worth to pay difference between Integra DRX-5.4 and RZ50? I'm still using an old Integra 989v2 AVR but looking for another new flagship to replace it (with all possible new features, helping me to again not think about new AVR for few years...) Thanks for this great review and help in my concerns.
Isn't it crazy we can't use that lg remote cursor to control the mouse in Windows? We can do it with Samsung phones, I wonder what's missing on the pc side. HDMI limitations?
They have played the waiting game, but now they will offer receivers with HDMI2.1, but also Dirac Live, which is also a game changer. I have already saved up for one ;)
Do we think that Panasonic will use the same chipset in their TVs this year (appreciate Nuvoton Technology bought their chip business - but lets hope so)
At 8:33 the screen flickers as if losing the signal and the refresh rate begins to vary. This will require further testing to confirm long term stability with nvidia 30xx gpu's. If this random flickering persists it's not acceptable!
So frustrating that my new and expensive Denon receiver doesn't work with a 4k 120hz VRR 10-bit signal from my gaming PC and they only blame Nvidia and say it is a driver issue. If the problem is with Nvidia then why does it work when I plug it into my TV directly?
This is crazy. That kind of bandwidth on an AVR is insane! I can’t even get my Pioneer Elite LX102 to pass along 1080p60 or 4K60 HDR from my PC to my LG C7 oled tv. Enabling HDR on desktop fails, windows claims no compatible display. Entering a game in SDR then enable HDR in game menu leads to the game switching to HDR but the tv has no clue and stays in SDR mode and goes into “no signal detected”. Alt + F4 out of the game and suddenly windows is trapped in hdr so the tv is stuck in no signal and I can’t see the pc. I’ve managed to get HDR to work in game once. Once. Took some blind, desperate clicking but I got it. To see this work so flawlessly at 4K120 HDR is nuts. I guess I just need a new AVR 😑
Great video.... My problem is not in the eARC part, per se.... I have an older Onkyo TX-NR616 and a Samsung TV... The problem is output levels. When I watch a TV App show, say in Netflix, then switch to Net - to listen to some Smooth Jazz on the Receiver.. the sound is totally blasting with the Jazz.... This is because although Netflix has adequate volume, I have to put it to 75 or so on the receiver to hear it Ok... If I forget to lower the receiver volume when switching it to Net on the receiver remote... then you guessed it- Wham! Pow! Not sure what the solution is. The receiver does have a input-specific volume adjust setting... but it's not enough to make them somewhat even. Will newer equipment fix this?
I hope this product actually comes to market for the masses. With VOXX signing an APA for Onkyo Home Entertainment Corporation, hopefully, this will breathe new life into the Onkyo line of receivers.
Hi Vincent, love your channel. I was wondered, since you interviewed the Samsung rep about the Q90R, which I have the 82"version, and you asked about the eARC update that the 2019 models were supposed to get, have you ever followed up on that promise? Because I have both next gen systems and I've been anxiously awaiting the update as well along with the HDMI adapter for my Denon x4700H
But wait, wouldn't people still want to connect everything HDMI 2.1 to the TV, then do eARC to the receiver? I guess since TVs don't seem to support DTS:X output through eARC, you would still want a direct connection to the receiver anyways for those sources?
You won't be able to get DTS outside of headphones on Series X on 2020 onwards LG tv's is the only thing. It's not a big deal as it supports Dolby Atmos anyway so just use that instead. Streaming apps won't matter much as hardly anything uses dts anyway and if you use a stand along 4k player just ensure it has 2 HDMI outs so you can separate sound from video and you are set :)
Vincent, on all your game console videos you preach about calibrating HDR with the console's HDR calibration app in HGIG picture mode. All across the internet I've seen most people say that the majority of games don't use the console's HDR calibration data so it's all kind of useless right now. Indeed, when I play HDR games with HGIG the picture is extremely dull/dim and without highlights. Even the PS5 UI itself is quite dull with HGIG enabled. I was hoping you can comment on this.
Vincent won't listen to me about HGiG, it is broken. Fixed with Autocal though. Seems the internal pattern generator bypasses the issue, hence why Autocal fixed it, maybe he'll stop relying on graphs and actually look into it.
It's a shame you haven't been able to test Radeon 6000 cards. I discovered recently that there's some sort of interoperability problem between my E9 and my 6900 XT when using VRR. The observed behavior is that the info on the display tab in the Radeon software will occasionally correctly show "VRR Enabled", but 99% of the time it will show "FreeSync not supported". I've been told the Radeon 6000 cards DO support HDMI 2.1 VRR, so something unusual is gong on. Swapping out the 6900 XT for an RTX 3090 results in VRR working flawlessly, so I'm fairly sure the E9 and HDMI cable are working properly and the problem exists in the Radeon software.
Off topic but maybe some of you will know: Been doing some testing and when I launch a game the LG C1 prompt the Dolby Vision Atmos logo... and picture mode swtich to cinema home, then I have to switch back to game mode, When I go to the Xbox Home and back to the game the tv switch back to cinema home.... anyone having this problem too? all games are doing the same... does not look bad just a bit warmer, but for games i want to stay in game mode. Any ideas ?
Any update on the release dates for the US? Last I heard both Pioneer and Onkyo were supposed to be out this month for their first models but none of the stores I've talked to have any idea... I really want the Pioneer model set up before I upgrade my tv :(
Can u do this same test with a 2020 demon receiver using the break-out box? I hear mixed results on whether it fully fixes the problem with Xbox and nvidia gpu (vrr, audio, etc)
They made an adapter, you can ask for it free of charge, don't know if it works without delay or if they plan to integrate the fix into the AVR on future models
Ironically this was perfect timing. COD just released the 120FPS patch on PS5 and it’s fanbase was wondering why it wasn’t 4K/120 HDR. The PS5 doesn’t have the bandwidth for that option.
Are there any updates on the availability of this receiver in the UK? I’ve been following it for nearly a year and can find it listed for sale anywhere yet.
Nice but is it really necessary seeing tv's like the new LG's have 4 HDMI 2.1 ports anyway. Latest receivers were handy when they skimped on HDMI outlets on the TV's but those days seem to be gone. I Just use a Yamaha A3060 amp , feed video signal directly to the TV and use EARC to feed the sound to the amp for say Series X. Then with the Oppo 203 player as LG tv's no longer have DTS support i just use the dual HDMI outputs and feed the picture straight to the tv and the other HDMI directly to AMP for sound on DVD's Blurays etc. It works perfectly. I think people are getting a bit too caught up in saying they need HDMI 2.1 ports when HDMI 2.0 ports is what most items still require apart from latest gaming consoles and these have been on Yamaha and other decent amps for a few years. The only thing i can't use is DTS sound on the Series X as it only has 1 HDMI port but you can still use DTS Headphone support direct from console anyway.
Great news! Thanks for explaining that when it's 4:2:2, the device CANNOT TELL whether the bit-depth is 8, 10 or 12 due to the way HDMI signalling works. More people need to realise this!
This confused the hell out of me on the FreeSync info screen when I first connected my PS5 to my CX through a 4K/60/HDMI 2.0 limited receiver. I actually dropped it down to 4:2:0 to boost the bit depth, but if that was just due to a misreading, maybe I'll boost it back up.
Could you test input lag
Xbox -> onkyo -> lgC1
Vs
Xbox -> lgC1
Second this!
Yes this. Also, if whether audio codec settings affect this number on XB or the AVR.
This!
This please.
This comment needs to be pinned.
From 8 minute onward, you showed a window desktop screen running at 4k 120hz vrr hdr to demonstrate the rtx gpu ran without issues with the onkyo. However, at around 8:34, the screen suddenly flashed and if you look at the top right corner, the hz number started changing (it was at a constant 120hz before the flash). What was going on there? Is this sth to be worried about?
That's what VRR is
Glad to see Onkyo is still making AVR's. Love there sound quality.
Onkyo is back !!!!!!
Please do audio lag AND input lag tests between the console being connected to the AV receiver vs the console being connected to the TV while the audio is being passed through eARC to the AV receiver.
Thank you in advance.
This is my problem. Avm70 and q90t: game mode doesnt work with avr video passthru, and audio is compressed with tv audio passthru.
Atmos earc works, but it lags :(
Czekamy , czekamy :) Nie śpiesz się ONKYO. Tak długo czekałem na Wasz nowy ampli, że wytrzymam jeszcze te parę miesięcy. Powodzenia!!!
Thank you for this test. It pays to wait many months and this video helps you wait for the TX-RZ50. greetings
Thank you Vincent for your always-awesome content (I know this comment is months later). This video at the 1:00 mark helped me realize there was a setting I needed to change on the TX-NR6100 to get the VRR, etc. working with the Series X. Other information I'd found strongly gave the impression the receiver should work with it, but it wasn't initially. Then I found this video and that setting allows the Series X to work well so far with full capability with my LG CX. I was about to return it before I found this, so Thank You.
I bought the Marantz SR8015 recently. The 120 is working now. They had an update. Before they were sending customers a little box to solve the issue but now the new ones come fixed. This Onkyo is a cool unit.
Thanks for the info. How many HDMI 2.1 inputs are there on the Marantz?
Thanks for uploading in HDR
Yamaha is claiming full support on it's yet to be released AVR's but after a firmware update with no release window so what Onkyo and likely Pioneer has done is fantastic.
Last month Yamaha announces hardware replacement program for HDMI 2.1 receivers
Onkyo is back! Love to see it
Great to hear an AV receiver can do that! But have to say its a bit of a beast in size.
@Aquatic Ape 🤣😂💯
literally thought it was a microwave in the thumbnail
Looks like a typical high-quality receiver to me. Just under 8" isn't that huge.
@Aquatic Ape The new tiny home trend 😄
I honestly never understood the “its too big” critique for audiophiles.
Like seriously, if you care enough about a high end audio system then you should know enough to be able to organize your space efficiently or just full on hide the receiver.
If it is a certain size it is because that is what is REQUIRED to do what you are paying for it to do in the first place.
I got the little box that fixes the 4K 120hz issue on my AVR2700H. I didn’t notice any issue before, but I got the box for free just in case there ends up being an issue. So far so good! 4K 120hz at 10-bit color shines nice through my LG CX
Been waiting for 3 months for my box from Marantz.
This is wonderful! I’ve been keeping up with these AVR and am stoked to see a live demo. Thanks for doing this!
I just got my INTEGRA DRX 2.4 2021 With HDMI 2.1 ports! I’m so excited!
Vincent delivering the good news!
Seems like I'm finally replacing the relic that is my 90s Sony AVR.
Hopefully eARC + PS5 also works perfectly on the Onkyo.
@Jimmy Oltral All Denon 2.1 avrs are currently fine?
Japanese receivers have come a long way in SQ from then.
@@sachiel123 Denon/Marantz - 1-in-2-out 40 Gbps ports. The rest are 18GB.
Thanks for the great news! I may finally have found an AVR to replace my NR1007 with - 3 working 40Gbps inputs, Dirac Live calibration. Looks like a winner to me.
I see we still got the same onkyo UI in the menus. Im dying for onkyo to do a modern refresh
Well, let's be honest: it's the least used feature. Most people only use a it a handful of times, so why spend time and resources giving it a makeover?
@@MrSatyre1 I use my menus all the time but then again I’m always tweaking and adjusting stuff. It’s sorta my kryptonite. But I’m also a proponent of learning my equipment 100% inside and out.
Have you tested Dolby Gaming 120hz with the new LG firmware?
Is the firmware update available now On the C1?!
@@UnitedRedDevil13 Yes. FW 03.11.23
@@JumpRopeLift awesome! That’s great news. Thanks!
Great news that you were able to get a pre production model to test!
I’ve got my sights on the Denon/Marantz receivers they also recently announced will be released later this year, supporting all the 2.1 features.
9:45 this definitely makes shopping for a receiver much easier, thank you I like you for really simplifying this whole process /sarcasm. Without your chart I'm not going to be able to know what these things support so now I actually have to refer back to this specific timestamp
Good man Vincent. Always staying on top of things 😎👍
Boom 🤪👍😎
How is the audio lag?
I love rhythm games, and some get unplayable on most AV receivers
Usually the tvs fault it's proccessing the image and sound diffrently and it ends up like that
@Tech & Gaming TV uses time to process the image
Yep, the best determination of lag for me is Rock Band. My current Onkyo, HDMI to HDMI does fine.
@Tech & Gaming Input lag and response time are different things. Input lag is how long it takes between the signal being sent to the TV and the TV displaying the signal (a button being pressed on the controller and the character reacting on screen).
Response time is how long it takes for the pixels to refresh each frame, which results in better motion clarity and less blur.
Modern OLEDs are generally great in both regards, though.
@Tech & Gaming Input lag and response time are two completely different things.
How much input latency does the receiver add?
Vincent can find this if anyone can!
Should be negligible.
Probably none. It’s kind of the point of HDMI
As long as you're using it as a passthrough and not doing additional processing with the receiver, it should be negligible.
I’m more amazed at how those colors look on that tv screen!!!
Jesus onkyo back! can’t wait for their nr series hdmi 2.1 amps.
I just read in Stereophile yesterday Onkyo is no more.... This is odd.
@@thegrimyeaper Voxx /Sharp came in to buy/save Onkyo. It's being finalized at the end of this month. once that is completed, you should see these new models on their website.
@@neogeo6464 Nice.
Do you have any means of measuring whether there is an appreciable gain in latency?
About time! I hope these are available soon. How do you call up that status display on the C1? I haven't seen it on mine.
LOL, huge fan Joe! Funny, but not surprising to see you here. Cannot help with your question.
Mash the green button on the remote a few times.
If you're asking about freesync info you have to press green button several times and it will appear
Spam the green button until it pops up 👍🏼
Thanks for the replies, I was going to ask the same thing.
Kinda annoying how (imo) cryptic it is, who's ever going to stumble across that. Dunno about the rest of you but I don't have a habit of spamming buttons to see what happens, same as the other little menu accessible buy spamming the mute button - wtf right...
Yesterday I got the Denon SPK618 adapter box which does appear to fix the problem with the chipset in the 2020 receivers. I would love to know exactly how they are doing it, but I can now get full RGB 10b 4L10 from my RTX 30 series as well as Series X. It's a stupidly huge box but at least it's powered by 5V micro USB and not another wall wart. Such an expensive bug! Looking forward to upgrading to a 2nd gen receiver with multiple 2.1 inputs for sure.
Thanks so much for this video! If you have many sources then controlling them via AV receiver is a must and up to now I wondered where the solution for HDMI 2.1 is. It seemed like 2.1 is only for people without AV receivers. So these new Onkyo receivers might finally be the solution and it is great that you are on top of things reporting this inportant news!
Great news 😀, always an informative product review and demonstration.
Like the other posters suggested, can you do a lag test with and without it? Does it have a working volume overlay in vrr mode?
My Onkyo Rz820 is still kicking out great Dolby Atmos and DTSx 🤘.
Not to mention massive size and clean looks with all metal construction! Has great customization of speaker placement and individual speaker control!
It would be interesting to know what the best way to connect is with regards to picture/sound quality and lag. For example if I connect everything to the TV and use ARC will I get any sound lag, and if I connect my source to the receiver will I get picture lag or worse PQ?
I plan on using earc bc I don't like the idea of running video thru the receiver first.
Just got an AV receiver and have the PS5 direct to the TV and earc back to the AV using pass through on the TV. Seems to work perfectly and I've certainly not noticed any audio lag.
@@BobtheWidget123456 you could even cut doen on the cords by using an optical cable .
Yamaha's brand new monster flagship receiver RX-A8 does it as well. And also do their next 2 models following the later (RX-A6, RX-A4).
But does the Yamaha it do it on three inputs? So far all the AV receivers that did HDMI 2.1 only did it on one input, which is almost pointless.
@@el_p1nko The new Aventage AVRs RX-A4A / A6A & A8A will support bug-free HDMI 2.1 on all 7 input ports.
Plus they will be released earlier ... in July
Yamaha - Yes !!
@@el_p1nko 3 of the inputs and 1 output will support 4k/120 and 8k/60
With the sound redirected from the TV to the amplifier via eARC and the consoles directly plugged in the TV no problem to play 4K 120Hz with Dolby atmos. This amp problem has never been a real issue for those having an eARC connection. But this makes things easier for sure :)
I've seen input lag using eArc. I.e. lipsync issues.
@@robg8963 yeah I’ve seen it too, it is the case when you use bitstream format instead of PCM or uncompressed.
Sucks to hear of these lipsync issues while using eARC, as I was hoping that was my solution to being able to have uncompressed 7.1 without adding any additional input lag to the video.
@@boufftiti ok I need to try that. With that said, using uncompressed 7.1 or PCM instead of Bitstream means no Dolby Atmos, correct? Afaik Atmos goes over Bitstream.
@@robg8963 yeah unfortunately for Dolby Atmos you need to use bitstream
Can you test input lag added when running though this thing?
If it’s being used as ‘Pass Through’ then there’s no input lag, as it’s being passed through
@@MovieCaveDave even an elgato capture card that says "zero lag" passthrough actually adds a small amount of lag... linus tech tips did a test with a lot of hdmi devices and they all added some small amount of lag
I have a Denon 3700h I did some tests on it's passthrough running to a c9. Comparing it to an Acer x27 predator. Using a millisecond counter and camera with 1/1000th shutter, The c9 showed more recent frames no matter what inputs (on the AVR) or outputs (on the video card)I used.
Whatever latency there was was very low.
Hi Vincent, thanks for another fantastic review.
But will it support HDMI 2.1 VRR Dolby Vision HDR? Soon to be on LG OLED and Xbox Series X
You don't need the amp to support VRR and Dolby Vision as you can feed video direct to TV from Series X then feed the audio through EARC to the AMP. As long as your AMP has EARC input there would be no need to upgrade to a newer one unless you really wanted to.
@@DEVILTAZ35 yes, but that would make the point of this video pointless. As it is for the scenario where all HDMI 2.1 devices are plugged into the amp/soundbar so it can also act as a HDMI Switcher. Using eARC avoids the amp incompatibility issue but doesn't solve the problem of having to plug everything into the TV directly.
@@xFrozenxSnowx isn’t it better to just plug all to the tv so that can easily switch input using only the tv remote . I don’t see the advantage of plugging things to the aV receiver..
@@n25992 depends on where your TV is relative to your other components. If you wall mount your TV, it is easier and cleaner to just run one HDMI cable from receiver to TV than multiple for each device. If that makes sense. With HDMI-CEC and universal control, it is possible to switch av receiver inputs using the TV remote.
Though with eARC the idea of TV being the hub is being pushed around. It makes sense to make the AV receiver cheaper and also not obsolete as soon as a new HDMI standard comes out. But its not optimal for certain setups to plug everything into the TV. Wall mounted TVs and projectors come to mind specifically. It is annoying enough to run 1 cable up the wall. Imagine running several..
@@xFrozenxSnowx I agree with you but performance wise is there any difference?
Great news! Also this is the first video I’ve watched on your channel in HDR, looks sweet on my new iPad! 👍🏼
How is the latency of going through the receiver compared to going straight into the TV???
We all want to know this but the universe has conspired to keep this a secret. It’s a conspiracy and so do not expect any straight answers. We are NOT to know.
straight is always better, but i do not feel any different . maybe i just dont care to the utmost detail, as long as i can play it fine without noticeable delay its fine. at least for me, not too hardcore gamer for 30 years
bump!
Id like to know this also
The RZ50 is the first receiver for me with a Dirac bug. With Dirac ON it shuts off in protection mode and with Dirac OFF works fine. Returned.
Dont worry Vincent. I can confirm that the 40gb of bandwith are also coming through with a new Amd card to my Lg bx.
HDTVTest is there any advantage to plugging devices directly into your receiver then connecting your receiver to your TV compared to plugging all devices to your TV then connecting your TV to your receiver?
I’ve been waiting for a new receiver that can handle the new systems and TVs
hopefully saving up a lot while waiting.
@@krectus I know right lol 😂
I would love to see input lag through these. Ill be waiting for a Yamaha personally but Im not looking to replace my rxa780 just yet, still too new.
I think Yamaha is promising some firmware update.
I wouldn't buy anything yet until the update actually arrives and works.
We need to support and encourage Onkyo and Yamaha to fend off the Borg (Sound United).
Agreed ... my RX-A6A is already ordered for July delivery :-)
@@marcuscole8796 im looking to buy this aswell.. Post how it is when u get it :)
@@verticostate Yeah ... I hope it will arrive in time. Nevertheless it will not be fully functional until Yamaha delivered the firmware updates for HDMI 2.1 & Auro 3D at a later point in time. But I know it will be bug-free HDMI (all 7 input ports) and offers everything I was waiting for during the past 4 years :-)
@@marcuscole8796 I will second that.
Demon, I meant Denon, and Marantz setups and UI are painfully obtuse.
Additionally, Yamaha and Onkyo offer so much more values.
Please share for those of us on the fence.
Thanks
Would love to see a review of the Pioneer Elite VSX-LX505. Been waiting on HDM2.1 to get sorted out but would really like to know about input lag (if I connect a SX to the receiver, then the receiver to the TV).
And the winner is Onkyo again.
I will upgrade from my TX-RZ810 after release to this model.
That's very interesting, but what about input lag?
This is a great example to people who 'need' the latest/greatest tech. It's more valuable to us if we wait 1+ year for everything - PS5 / TV / Receiver. For me, I will wait until PS5 Pro until I build my home theater, and then everything should work as expected. Games and content will operate @ 4k/8k 120/60 without issue. Non OLED TVs will hopefully be as good as OLED is now.
Nice content, very informative!
C'mon Vincent, need that QN95A review 😆
Deffo 👍
Does using this receiver eliminate your ability to put the C1 or CX into PC mode? How do you manage all the the different optimizations for each device?
Would be nice if you can test the input lag as well. See if the receiver having any effect on that, if it adds milliseconds to it. Cause if it's a few ms, no issue, but if it's a lot it's not sadly a solution yet.
Can you not rename the inputs? In 2021, it’s stupid for them to manually assign names to each HDMI input.
of course you can rename them
Hey Vincent, can you make a video about the new firmware update for LG CX?
Really surprised it wasn’t a Denon AVR. Hoping they launch new ones soon so I can get it for the 7.2.4 I am trying.
9:54 - is there any important, worth to pay difference between Integra DRX-5.4 and RZ50? I'm still using an old Integra 989v2 AVR but looking for another new flagship to replace it (with all possible new features, helping me to again not think about new AVR for few years...) Thanks for this great review and help in my concerns.
I recently returned the TX-RZ840 due to performance issues. Hopefully, this new receiver will restore my confidence in Onkyo AV receivers.
Can you do a video with the new Yamaha, they do have 2.1 including Auro3d
Great video.
Isn't it crazy we can't use that lg remote cursor to control the mouse in Windows? We can do it with Samsung phones, I wonder what's missing on the pc side. HDMI limitations?
As I know its GPUs vendors limitations, no one of this m@therfakers wanna implement eArc. Since 2017 as I searched, after getting B6 tv.
They have played the waiting game, but now they will offer receivers with HDMI2.1, but also Dirac Live, which is also a game changer. I have already saved up for one ;)
Do we think that Panasonic will use the same chipset in their TVs this year (appreciate Nuvoton Technology bought their chip business - but lets hope so)
I hope so as I will be buying one next month. 🤞🏾
At 8:33 the screen flickers as if losing the signal and the refresh rate begins to vary. This will require further testing to confirm long term stability with nvidia 30xx gpu's. If this random flickering persists it's not acceptable!
So frustrating that my new and expensive Denon receiver doesn't work with a 4k 120hz VRR 10-bit signal from my gaming PC and they only blame Nvidia and say it is a driver issue. If the problem is with Nvidia then why does it work when I plug it into my TV directly?
Problem is obviously in Sound United, they have used cheap hdmi chipset with only 32gb
Thanks Vincent. This is great news for xbox gamers.
This is crazy. That kind of bandwidth on an AVR is insane! I can’t even get my Pioneer Elite LX102 to pass along 1080p60 or 4K60 HDR from my PC to my LG C7 oled tv. Enabling HDR on desktop fails, windows claims no compatible display. Entering a game in SDR then enable HDR in game menu leads to the game switching to HDR but the tv has no clue and stays in SDR mode and goes into “no signal detected”. Alt + F4 out of the game and suddenly windows is trapped in hdr so the tv is stuck in no signal and I can’t see the pc. I’ve managed to get HDR to work in game once. Once. Took some blind, desperate clicking but I got it. To see this work so flawlessly at 4K120 HDR is nuts. I guess I just need a new AVR 😑
Vincent gets a shout out from Onkyo!!: th-cam.com/video/FtBeI3e6NyY/w-d-xo.html @40:30 Here is hoping the TX-NR6100 is as good for us on a budget.
Great video.... My problem is not in the eARC part, per se.... I have an older Onkyo TX-NR616 and a Samsung TV... The problem is output levels. When I watch a TV App show, say in Netflix, then switch to Net - to listen to some Smooth Jazz on the Receiver.. the sound is totally blasting with the Jazz.... This is because although Netflix has adequate volume, I have to put it to 75 or so on the receiver to hear it Ok... If I forget to lower the receiver volume when switching it to Net on the receiver remote... then you guessed it- Wham! Pow! Not sure what the solution is. The receiver does have a input-specific volume adjust setting... but it's not enough to make them somewhat even. Will newer equipment fix this?
Finally indeed! Though i am looking at Marantz or Pioneer.
sound great !
FINALLY I'm due for an upgrade! Really tired of these darn soundbars! Discrete was way better!
I hope this product actually comes to market for the masses. With VOXX signing an APA for Onkyo Home Entertainment Corporation, hopefully, this will breathe new life into the Onkyo line of receivers.
Another great video! Will you be testing out the Denon 8k adapter they sent out to fix the HDMI 2.1 issue with the Series X?
I hope this will be in the next Marantz NR Slim one soon. Before that happens, no reason to switch out my first gen Panasonic 4K HDR10 TV.
I'm still waiting for your test/review on the new Samsung ust projector.
Possibly with that new onkyo receiver
Hi Vincent, love your channel. I was wondered, since you interviewed the Samsung rep about the Q90R, which I have the 82"version, and you asked about the eARC update that the 2019 models were supposed to get, have you ever followed up on that promise? Because I have both next gen systems and I've been anxiously awaiting the update as well along with the HDMI adapter for my Denon x4700H
Thanks Onkyo
ONKYO IS BACK
But wait, wouldn't people still want to connect everything HDMI 2.1 to the TV, then do eARC to the receiver? I guess since TVs don't seem to support DTS:X output through eARC, you would still want a direct connection to the receiver anyways for those sources?
You won't be able to get DTS outside of headphones on Series X on 2020 onwards LG tv's is the only thing. It's not a big deal as it supports Dolby Atmos anyway so just use that instead.
Streaming apps won't matter much as hardly anything uses dts anyway and if you use a stand along 4k player just ensure it has 2 HDMI outs so you can separate sound from video and you are set :)
@@DEVILTAZ35 Sounds good thanks!
Vincent, on all your game console videos you preach about calibrating HDR with the console's HDR calibration app in HGIG picture mode. All across the internet I've seen most people say that the majority of games don't use the console's HDR calibration data so it's all kind of useless right now. Indeed, when I play HDR games with HGIG the picture is extremely dull/dim and without highlights. Even the PS5 UI itself is quite dull with HGIG enabled. I was hoping you can comment on this.
We have done a previous video explaining the benefits of HGiG here: th-cam.com/video/VGO38f1EoYE/w-d-xo.html
Vincent won't listen to me about HGiG, it is broken. Fixed with Autocal though. Seems the internal pattern generator bypasses the issue, hence why Autocal fixed it, maybe he'll stop relying on graphs and actually look into it.
I wish there was some kinda google doc floating around confirming this kinda test for multiple AVRs
It's a shame you haven't been able to test Radeon 6000 cards. I discovered recently that there's some sort of interoperability problem between my E9 and my 6900 XT when using VRR. The observed behavior is that the info on the display tab in the Radeon software will occasionally correctly show "VRR Enabled", but 99% of the time it will show "FreeSync not supported". I've been told the Radeon 6000 cards DO support HDMI 2.1 VRR, so something unusual is gong on. Swapping out the 6900 XT for an RTX 3090 results in VRR working flawlessly, so I'm fairly sure the E9 and HDMI cable are working properly and the problem exists in the Radeon software.
Excellent. Now if only we could get A/V preamp/processors with working HDMI 2.1 rolled out, for those of us who use separates.
Can you measure the input lag when playing ps5 or xbox through the AVR passthrough please. I always wonder if there's input lag with hdmi passthrough.
Probably at least 3ms of added lag.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M no it's more.
@@HenryTheBoilermaker3rdYear I did say at least.
Off topic but maybe some of you will know: Been doing some testing and when I launch a game the LG C1 prompt the Dolby Vision Atmos logo... and picture mode swtich to cinema home, then I have to switch back to game mode, When I go to the Xbox Home and back to the game the tv switch back to cinema home.... anyone having this problem too? all games are doing the same... does not look bad just a bit warmer, but for games i want to stay in game mode. Any ideas ?
He's done a video discussion this so your not the only one
Onkyo/Pioneer doing IT right with real HDMI 2.1 and not only 1 Input plus Dirac ! Only Auromatic is now missing 👍
What is the input lag when console is ran to receiver then to tv?
So it cannot pass 4K/120Hz in 4:4:4 from any source? Are any of the 2021 models supposed to have the full 48Gbps bandwidth?
It can pass 4K 120Hz 10-bit RGB (which is equivalent to 4:4:4) from the Xbox Series X & the RTX 3090 GPU.
Any update on the release dates for the US? Last I heard both Pioneer and Onkyo were supposed to be out this month for their first models but none of the stores I've talked to have any idea... I really want the Pioneer model set up before I upgrade my tv :(
Can u do this same test with a 2020 demon receiver using the break-out box? I hear mixed results on whether it fully fixes the problem with Xbox and nvidia gpu (vrr, audio, etc)
Please this
Was the HDMI bug ever fixed in the 2020 Denon and other manufacturers' receivers?
yes, they offer an external box for this issue for free
No as far as the receiver no I would be pissed if I had to use a external box .
@@sneikiusas Thanks for your reply
@@michaelfoster3441 Yes, a pity that it requires a hardware solution to the problem with a subset of the 2020 receivers.
They made an adapter, you can ask for it free of charge, don't know if it works without delay or if they plan to integrate the fix into the AVR on future models
Ironically this was perfect timing. COD just released the 120FPS patch on PS5 and it’s fanbase was wondering why it wasn’t 4K/120 HDR. The PS5 doesn’t have the bandwidth for that option.
Denon sells AVR 760H at Costco. Around $450. Newest one supposedly does HDMI 2.1. Too bad you can't get it there in UK.
Are there any updates on the availability of this receiver in the UK? I’ve been following it for nearly a year and can find it listed for sale anywhere yet.
Veeeery naaaiissseee Vincent 🤩 what's the delay with/without the receiver?
Nice but is it really necessary seeing tv's like the new LG's have 4 HDMI 2.1 ports anyway. Latest receivers were handy when they skimped on HDMI outlets on the TV's but those days seem to be gone. I Just use a Yamaha A3060 amp , feed video signal directly to the TV and use EARC to feed the sound to the amp for say Series X. Then with the Oppo 203 player as LG tv's no longer have DTS support i just use the dual HDMI outputs and feed the picture straight to the tv and the other HDMI directly to AMP for sound on DVD's Blurays etc. It works perfectly.
I think people are getting a bit too caught up in saying they need HDMI 2.1 ports when HDMI 2.0 ports is what most items still require apart from latest gaming consoles and these have been on Yamaha and other decent amps for a few years. The only thing i can't use is DTS sound on the Series X as it only has 1 HDMI port but you can still use DTS Headphone support direct from console anyway.