U JUST JELLY | Buffy the Vampire Slayer 3x17 "Enemies" | The Normies Group Reaction!
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I love the mayor and Faith because his paternal affection for her is genuine in his own twisted way. He really does start to care about her around now. The wholesome thing is not an act with him. He he has a strong sense of family and is also an absolute lunatic.
So like Silco to Jinx in Arcane. Only less mob boss and more Mr. Rogers.
Love that Rana was the first to react so big after Angel said "second best."
The guys can’t shut the fuck up and actually listen that’s why
“Second Best” followed by enough silence that it gives the audience a good amount of time to realize the deception. It’s nearly the opposite of the Funeral Fake Out in “Lovers Walk” that it hypes us up instead of making us curse.
One of the best lines and they almost talked over it
Silence??? With this crew on the couch?!😅😅😅
Nerd Fact: The musical chord that plays after Angel says 'Second Best' is the same one that plays in the episode 'Consequences' after Faith says (in front of Giles) to Buffy, "He had to know what YOU did...". Role reversal as Faith tried to play Buffy and now Buffy and Angel play Faith!
One thing you pick up on a rewatch is when Buffy and Faith go to the demon's apartment, Faith turns on the light behind the corner without even looking, implying that she's familiar with the apartment. That's why they specifically had the demon turn on that light when they didn't even need it.
Also the coded messages when Angel and Buffy talk with Faith in the room. Angel ACTING as Angelous ACTING as Angel. Its so good
29:08 Sarah Michelle Gellar actually guest-starred in Robot Chicken many times! Her and Seth have been close friends since they were kids
It's a testament to Eliza Dushku that her best performances in the Buffy universe are yet to come.
Shout out to Marketa for standing up for Willows fit!
Yeah, I really dislike the fashion snobbery & clothes shaming almost every week. Sure, Williow's sartorial tastes aren't mine, but I always admired the individuality of people at school who dared to not toe the line of cliques & popular in-crowds.
the part where faith laughs at the mayor after he says miniature golf was actually eliza breaking character and laughing at him but they kept it in because it was such a genuine reaction.
Pats gleeful laugher when he thought Angelus was back and everyone else being like “NOOO!” Had me dead 🤣
Yess omg🤣
"Second best," and that music drop tho
Faith punches demon
Demon: "You're a tough negotiator. I respect that" LOL
"is that hot sauce" is the funniest thing and no one on the couch commented on it
Rana's face at 21:15 is just priceless!
Faith is not Buffy’s ‘best friend.’ She’s at best a liked acquaintance. Willow & Xander are Buffy’s best friends.
Also, I think Buffy figured out that Faith was working with the mayor when the Djinn came & told Giles that the mayor had asked him to remove his soul & Faith was a part of that plan.
Faith doesn't really have any friends.
To be fair the best friend slot kinda gets taken by default unless you want to argue poly friendships so Willow can be everyone's BF.
I think they were saying Buffy was Faith’s best friend not Faith is Buffy’s best friend. Which makes sense if anything by default since Faith doesn’t really have any other friends outside of Buffy
The reason they knew Faith was shifty wasn't any of that stuff you said, it was because the ninja dude got contacted by the mayor & hired to remove Angel's soul but by complete random coincidence, the ninja dude happens to be mates with Giles. Ninja dude contacts Giles & says "hey Rupert, the mayor of that town you live in just hired me to remove the soul of that vampire you work with" and pretty much everything else falls in to place from there.
Also Buffy saw Faith finding the hidden light switch in the demon's apartment.
@@lenr112 Irrelevant. Regardless of any evidence or suspicions they may have had, the mayor would still had called Giles' friend & he would have told Giles. Whether they suspected Faith before that or not is a completely moot point.
Faith was not present during the mayor’s conversation with the shaman. The shaman would not be able to warn Giles about Faith. The light switch moment IS important.
I don't know if it's a result of scheduling or if you genuinely love the show that much, but I love how you all cram onto the couch to watch Buffy.
After all the "playing multiple characters" discussion in the "Doppelgangland" reaction, we now see David Boreanaz playing Angel playing Angelus. On rewatching you can see a difference between his character here and back in season two when he really is Angelus.
*SideNote: im really ennjoying everyone screaing "get out, boo!" everytime Faith steps in, priceless.
Im not there unnecessarily villianizing her more than what she ism ots annoying that people dont understand shes a victim as much as she's an antagonist.
The Twist is so well done... I agree It would be a bad/lazy idea If they brought Angelus back for real.
The Mayor father daughter relationship with Faith is one of the more interesting things about him, he really likes her.
I think this is the first time we saw a genuinely good demon and Faith kills him.
I had pretty much the same reaction the first time I watched this episode - spent most of it thinking "are they really doing this?" and not really liking it, then after the twist it instantly became one of my season 3 favourites (though I have a lot of them 😅)
I always love watching people's minds get blown in this episode! You guys did NOT disappoint!
People exaggerate with the Wesley-Cordelia flirting because they don't actually think it through and assume Wesley is in his 30s.
First of all, Cordelia was 18 and Wesley wasn't a teacher. Secondly, Wesley was "fresh out of the watcher academy", meaning he was around 22. So there's only a 4 year difference between them and there is no "student-teacher relationship" or anything like that.
It's also not grooming what the Mayor is doing with Faith. He doesn't have a family(we know his wife died of old age) and of course an evil creature like him, if looking for a daughter figure, would be attracted by the potential sociopathic killer who happens to be a Slayer. He's not drugging her or anything, he just treats her like a daughter. It's supposed to be weird, though, these are not normal people.
Meanwhile and at the same time, Alyson was trying to pursue Alexis but he blew her off not wanting to date someone he was working with. They started dating 2 years later.
Wesley being 22 this season is a stretch and never proven to be true in any capacity other than your head canon. There’s not even a rule that says all watchers fresh out the academy are all 22. You can make yourself feel better about a 18 year teenager trying to date someone clearly older than her all you want but let’s not act like your spitting decade long facts that everyone knew about.
@@notyouraveragebear9326 I agree that by now (Buffy season 3 episode 17) there's nothing that establishes Watchers are high school age however in a later angel episode where the gang reverts to their 16 year old selves Wesley talks about being a Watcher-in-training. Also in the Tales of the Vampires comic we see a storyline of Giles where it's shown Watchers get sent to that boarding school at age 10.
So while I agree with your trepidation the fact is he's not that much older than her.
It makes sense why the camera honed in on Giles saying be careful. It's something he likely says all the time to Buffy, but by this time the "ninja" had probably already informed them of the Mayor & Faith's plans.
I think my favorite moment of this episode isn't even really that apparent upon first watch. Yes, Angel was pretending to be Angelus. That means that when Angel hits Xander and says "that guy just bugs me", he's being ANGEL, which makes it all the more hilarious.
And don't worry, there's more demons in the Buffyverse for you to love.
Does it make it funnier or just sad that David and Nicky have pretty much the same relationship in real life as Angel and Xander?
There is a really great parallel with Faith and the Mayor's relationship to Buffy and Giles.
Wait, what happened to episode 16? Doppelgangland.
Okay, it’s not just me. I was like I thought they had at least one episode where Faith was pretending to be on their side while in league with the Mayor.
They uploaded it, they did it just after this one, for some reason.
Wait, what happened to Buffy S3Ep16 "Dopplegangland"?
its up now
What happened to 3x16, "Doppelgangland"? I was looking forward to it. (Edit: it's up now!)
Same.
It says 3X16 in the thumbnail. I think the videos must have been incorrectly labelled.
No, it‘s actually 3x17. So the question remains - where is 3x16?
@@zwiddeldumI know, what I mean is that I think the video thumbnails got mixed up and so they were posted in the wrong order.
It's up now!
Enemies was a super episode where the arc of the show kept building towards Graduation Day. Again we see Faith kill the Demon in cold blood, as Angel had said previous once she had the taste for killing she would not stop. The twist with Angel pretending to have turned again to Angelus was superb. Faith realising at last what she is up against is brilliant. The build up to the finale in S3 is incredible. All is gradually being revealed with the Mayor and Faith against The Scooby Gang. The second half of S3 is really when BTVS became a stellar show!
Both Buffy and Angel have fantastic character story arcs..some of the least characters, or ridiculous ones get such terrific payoffs years later, like Cordelia and Wesley, there’s no way to get there without years of awesome work on weekly episodes that show their development..
Cordelia and Wesley's arcs are so fantastic its why they're my two favorite Buffyverse characters. Their growth is terrific
Willow also has a good character arc.
WHAT HAPPENED TO 3X16 ??????
It's....over there! *points *
You got to watch and see🤘🏾
This was posted out of order I think. We are expecting S3 E16 dopplegangland this week
The thumbnail looks like the episode doppelgangland
and yes buffy was on robot chicken lol.
Looks like you have uploaded 3x17 rather than 3x16!
21:25 - It's not fully shown in your edit but Faith runs off leaving Buffy's side exiting stage left...leaving Buffy alone until...immediately Willow runs in entering from stage right and kneels down next to Buffy. A nice little acknowledgment settling the question of Faith and Willow vying for Buffy's best friend status. (Something Willow had been struggling with the last few episodes.)
missing episode 16 Doppelgangland.
You have forgotten 3x16 😮😢my fav Season 3 Episode !!
No, they just uploaded it after they uploaded this. Probably just an oversight.
The mayer is just being a weird father figure… the milk is just milk loll
Why is the thumbnail for 3x16? And where is episode 3x16?
Oz hair color changed so much because Seth Green was filming austin Powers at that Time
they went really hard with the parental energy for the mayor. whenever i got bangs growing up my mom would complain that i was trying to hide my face and i should try to pin it back. i think it's literally just faith's 90's layered cut that made the mayor say that. his idea of appropriate for a teenage girl is ponytails and poodle skirts.
I love this episode so much because it was at this point my hatred for faith was really high so seeing her get played like that was so satisfying
"She's got red in her ledger...god-damn-it." Best reaction ever.
Wait, did they skip 3x16?
The mayor loves her. Most people find this relationship sweet.
Rana's best reaction moment since her Lost days.
What happened to 3.16?
I think the writers should have explored Faith's past more, that way maybe we could have understand her motivations a little bit better. I think she was mistreated all her life and even the council doesn't take care of her. They have her living in a motel, instead of getting her place of her own.
Nobody has ever taken care of her. There is a novel called "Go Ask Malice" that goes into her backstory although it's not technically canon. It's a good read.
agreed like i wanna see when she gets her slayer powers in that instance
I will be paying all my money to watch you guys watch the rest of this. S5-7 are such a fkn crazy ride and Angel is so good like this is prime ass television and you guys are making my 260th watch soooo much fun. Thank you so much
Had to come back to watch this again, might even re-watch the uncut - Simply because the reveal reaction was SO GOOD!
12:33 I'm told the original script has Faith kiss Buffy on the lips, rather than the forehead.
Of course Angel used the excuse he was being evil to punch Xander, they have always hated each other.
Isn't this supposed to be 3x16?
A great follow-up episode. Made a lot of viewers question Angel. Again. But it ends so good. In a way, that is. Another great Post.
HAhaha this show rules. Your reactions are awesome.
I know it would be frustrating to retread Angelus here, but David Boreanaz just clearly has so much more fun when he's Angelus that I would have been okay with it.
I don’t know why it would be frustrating for anyone.. like Spidey saying he would have been done with this show that fast. He plays off Angelus so well!
@@talynstarburst2l2l2l Its not about how well the actor does. Its just annoying when you keep flip flopping on certain story elements. Having a character repeatedly be bad is just awful no matter which show its in. You can only play those cards so much. Like how Amnesia gets old after the 3rd time.
@@Merilirem yeah but that is how his character is.. it is what defines Angel and makes him extremely dangerous. Joss was smart enough not to repeat Season 2 while creating new things, but it is always a good reminder that Angelus is still there.
And for someone to be ready to quit the show that fast tells me that A) they don’t trust the writing and fans that the show only gets better over time and 2) they may not be that much into it in the first place.
I love how long Mickey held the nooooooooooooo 🤣
I'm so confused as to why there are two uploads today BUT I FUCKIN LOVE IT!!!!!!!!! The season really takes off here on out
I always had empathy for faith
Same here!
lol its not grooming, the Mayor has basically adopted Faith as his daughter.
31:37 Xander tried that. It didn't help
This made me spit out my drink, Bravo 😂
The Thumbnail says Dopplegangland but the title says Enemies you love to keep me guessing
its up now
And yet more reactors who don’t get that the mayor means everything he says. He’s the most honest character the show has every had.
To be fair at this stage in the series the Mayor's feelings about Faith could be interpreted in a number of ways .
@@lenr112 Although in the episode he gives her the apartment she jumps up on him and calls him Sugar Daddy and he recoils saying he doesn't like that shit.
Such an awesome episode. Also Angle punching Xander the fuck out will never not be funnny.
Yea it is always hilarious to watch. 😂
i love this episode for reactions ... its fun to watch and see how people react when they think angelus is back
about giles not getting a spin-off - he almost did get a Ripper project, along with several other characters. willow being one. might be too spoiler-y to say who else lol.
Did it begin with A? I always thought they should spin off together.
Can you imagine a universe where all the buffy spin offs happened? Would have been epic even if it was a mess.
Was this the Buffyverse's first more or less neutral demon coexisting with humanity in relative peace? That becomes a thing over time. Don't get me wrong, they're still outnumbered by the evil ones given the nature of the two shows but there's definitely a few I'd be enthusiastic about having a chill night in with. (For those familiar, L____ is obviously at the top of the list but I'd hang with C___... I've never actually done a taste test, could be fun.)
I think Whistler at the end of season 2 was the first more or less neutral demon in the Buffyverse.
@Fuiono Ching Sung Oh yeah! I always forget about him. Probably because he looked human 100% of the time.
I love the two you're good ones you're referencing! Very excited for them to get to Angel and meet so many more interesting characters.
Loved y'alls reaction to the twist!
Hey troop, you skip 3x16?
Um, guys, if you're actually reading the comments, you missed one. And it's a good one too. No fair.
I really hope we don't have to wait another week for Dopplegangland! We didn't do anything wrong, Normies, don't punish us for this!
I love The Normies reaction to the first scene.
Faith is looking at her hands like that because her true issues are showing blatantly to her with while blood covers them: her guilt over the Deputy Mayor killing.
The Mayor's plan definitely would've worked if Giles hadn't have introduced The Sorcerer (not a ninja) to his wife.
I never liked the idea that Buffy based an entire scheme of outing Faith, not knowing for sure if she was or wasn't on The Mayor's side, on Faith knowing where a light switch was. It isn't uncommon for a light switch to be near a doorway. Its natural to assume there was one where she though (in this case knew) because there wasn't one where it normally was. Not wanting to look for the books makes more sense, but even that isn't any concrete evidence against Faith. Nor is both things added together. Faith was acting sus at the demon's apartment, I agree, but it wasn't enough to jump directly into that kind of plan, for me. If Buffy was wrong about Faith, she would be another step away from trusting the group. Buffy, Angel and Giles were lucky they were right about Faith, in my opinion.
I watch Willow's attitude towards Faith in this episode, before she knows about Faith, and I think Faith has done nothing, that she knows of, bad enough for Willow to have treated her like this since episode 4 (except choke Xander and again she was treating Faith badly before that). And what fans say and Willow uses as her excuses could easily be said of Xander and Buffy from time to time in their friendships with Willow. Because Willow is treating her this way before she know Faith has gone to The Mayor, I don't care what she has to say.
I've seen people argue on whether hitting Xander was necessary or not. It was. Angel, at this point, is the only one who knows for sure Faith works for The Mayor and he's undercover. Faith might have done worse. A bonus is payback for Xander's mouth (deadboy, etc.)
For Faith, "doing this" is all about ignoring her Deputy Mayor guilt and being around someone (The Mayor) who she sees as treating her better than The Scoobies did. And sadly, he is treating her better. Even her Buffy issues she explains to Buffy are just window dressing to those other issues. And considering what we've seen of Faith combined with what probably happened that the audience/characters don't know about her, I have no trouble seeing her manifesting her issues into this.
Repeat viewings show Angel not quite acting as the Angelus we remember from S2.
Absolute fantastic reaction to Angel being undercover.
23:30-23:31 Faith already offered (which gives more hints of how she probably grew up) and The Mayor didn't think it was funny.
Just fyi... Near the end of the video one of you said that Angel was possessed by Angelus when he was evil. That's not quite accurate. It's more that Angel's soul is possessing Angelus the vampire. The soul kind of suppresses the demon inside, but the demon never really goes away. That's why Angel is so good at acting like he is Angelus in this episode. His soul knows how to temper the demon inside. All he had to do was lessen the reigns over the monster inside. --- And Buffy saw just how easy it was for him to do that. And it scared her.
Yes! And that's also what Buffy has a hard time dealing with at the end. Angel showed a side of him that is there, even when he has a soul.
It’s not grooming it’s more that the mayor views her like his daughter and wants her to be healthy
There's no way they could know that from what this episode alone showed. Give them some time, they'll figure it out
I would argue he's grooming her for evildoing, just not sexually.
It's like a distorted buffy/Giles relationship. Faith wants to be buffy and a father figure..no matter how warped ..is probably what she wants
I called that twist in the beginning when I first saw this episode but the act got me enoughh to where I gave in to what the show was telling me.
Oops, wrong episode.
also yes they did do buffy jokes on robot chicken since seth green created it and sarah michelle gellar guest starred a few times.
i always wonder what it be like if the mayor got faith when she came into her slayer powers like giles did for buffy would she still be the same i mean evil/good counterparts. cause really its all about support system
Mark 14:57. Another example of the failure of the, Public Education System! She should have said, "Pardon me!"
But the alleged educated adults, don't even flinch, or seem to care, or notice! Aphrodite, was doing impressions of, Jim Carry, saying "Ex-squeeze me!", in both, "Hercules, the Legendary Journeys" & "Xena, Warrior Princess"!
All of that combined, in the name of, Humor, is my guess as to why people nowadays are even worse at knowing the differences! 🤔
Two uploads in one day? Omg I love this. Btw you had 666k subscribers when you recorded this, I was the 666th like on the previous upload. Funny coincidence lol
14:29 Perhaps you mean, Tracy Jordan in "WHO DAT NINJA?"
Faith isn’t the only one that got play, all reactors did😮.
Suraj beating Chris to that line is HIGH-LARIOUS!! 🤣🤣
Also I need the Normies to remember how Faith grew up and who she was before she was a Slayer. Becoming a Slayer changes none of that.
Also sex isn't Angel's trigger. It's pure happiness, which isn't always achieved by sex. It just happened while they had sex because in that moment Angel was at his happiest.
Did we skip an episode.?
Is this an extra episode on Thursday??? Lucky me 😃
I’m so happy!! Been waiting on this episode too
did they mean to post 2 buffy reactions today?
Looks like they did, and posted them out of order. I am watching 3-16 now
Mickey: "Who 'dat ninja?" Thanks.
Guys please don’t spoil the show for our normies they wanna be surprised too..
Mark 17:30. Since, Angel, is the only one that she's, "screwed", are you now saying that, Angel, is indeed smart, rather than an idiot? 🤔
By the way! Did you lose track? Cordelia Chase, is 18! Ergo, she's not a, Minor, by legal statute definition standards. She's a, Major! Charisma Carpenter herself, was playing younger, if I recall correctly. 🤔. I vaguely recall an article that I read some time ago, about the irony of the casting. That only one of them was an actual teenager when cast, but wouldn't be for much longer. 🤔
All good stuff aside, Xander was done dirty this episode. I mean come on! Knocked out in the middle of the street, at night in Sunnydale...do I need to explain how wrong that could have gone if a Vamp or Demon found him?
Tell me, If that happened I wonder if the info gained would have still been worth it...I mean it's not like they could have given fair warning to stay inside to certain (I wonder how much forewarning Giles, Buffy and Angel had) people/or you know something etc...or what they could. Just ridiculous how it was handled.
Sigh...a knock out could have turned into so much more...and worse.
Y'all are wrong, Faith is amazing. Sure she's not making the best decisions right now but she's an abandoned and traumatised 16yo with super powers. The Mayor is the first person in a long time, perhaps ever, who has actually tried to take care of her. Giles and the Watchers council dropped the ball big time when they let her live in that gross motel. This is on them as much as it's on Faith.
Exacactly we can like her because of these reasons. But start to her murder she took the wrong way and made bad decisions. But a complex and beautiful character
Did they skip Doppelgangland? Am I tripping?
They fucked up their upload order. The thumbnail is correct but they missed Dopplegangland of all the ones to miss
The mayor built the town there because of the hell mouth being there. It was the perfect spot.
Yes, a shady guy covering his face is very obviously a ninja... if you're 5 and lack any other reference points. But hey, don't let that stop you from facepalming with abandon for a minute or so. I'm also glad the other guy has so much faith in the story that going back to a (still unresolved) plot point makes him "done with the show".
I really think Faith's character arc so far makes a lot of sense. She's a traumatized teen (a year younger than Buffy, I believe) who is heavily implied to have had a really rough/abusive childhood, and then had her Watcher murdered in front of her. Then she flees to Sunnydale looking for the only other people who could understand what hell is going on with her, and gets zero support. She lives in a sketchy motel (not sure what she's doing to pay for it...) and her Watcher already has a Slayer, so he's not all that interested in Faith - Giles really doesn't seem to go out of his way to support her in any way. Buffy is the only slayer everyone around her seems to care about, and none of the Scooby Gang seems to make an effort to get to know Faith or spend time with her. She's kinda the spare - there if needed, but out of sight out of mind otherwise. It's why she latches onto Gwendolyn Post so quickly - she's supposed to be someone there just for Faith, her new Watcher, and then that blows up in her face almost immediately.
She also has nowhere solid to live - if you think about it, hotels aren't protected from Vampires, so that would be a constant threat - and none of the adults around seem to care that she's not even enrolled in school. Joyce is generally kind, but it's clear that she sees Faith as a tool that allows Buffy to access the life Joyce always wanted for her - going to university, while Faith takes over the main bulk of slaying duties. Then Faith kills a dude, accidentally, and all of her issues compound and she acts out. She's a scared teen who messed up big time, and even though Buffy tries to help in the beginning, she's also another traumatized teen, so it makes sense she doesn't have the tools to be much help. I get Buffy and co lashing out at Faith, because again, they're teens, but Giles should have really stepped up here, especially as he was also responsible for a death around Faith's age. He could have levelled with her and acted as an example that Allan Finch's death didn't have to brand her or define her as evil.
All of Faith's choices get worse and snowball, but you can tell she's basically decided that hey, if everyone sees me as bad, I'll be bad. And then the Mayor comes in and gives her the literal crumbs of validation and support she needs, a father figure she didn't get at home or with Giles, and voila! Rogue slayer. I feel like it's done really well, but that could also be hindsight talking. I know I probably processed the episode differently the first time I saw it.
Also - not sure anyone is actually gonna read this whole ass essay, but just in case, I am not condoning Faith's actions, just stating that from a character perspective, you can see the lead up pretty clearly, and it makes it tragic, because it could have gone so differently. Narrative foils are good that way.
They're yelling at Wesley about Cordelia while Buffy and Angel are a couple and he's waaaaay older than Wesley. lol
Of all the episodes you could’ve flubbed on the upload order…😭 Hope they read the comments.
Double drop!!! Yay🎉
Faith was never Buffy's best friend. It has always been Willow (an Xander)
Let's be real. It's Willow and they both mostly tolerate Xander.
@@davidmernick7360 Agree
You all wanted the scoobies to stop Faith but I think y’all forgot how dangerous she is…..she would literally snap at least half their necks before Buffy and Angel could get to her. 💁💁💁
I always find Faith and the Mayor’s adopted father/daughter relationship very fascinating , like deep down I feel like they really do care about each other and see a bit of themselves in each other, like it’s kind of sweet… in a twist way