@Don’t Fuckle With Shuckle That AC Milan side had just won the champions league 2 years ago. That AC Milan team was one of the best sides in their history. That Liverpool team had finished the season on around 58 pts, behind Everton...
I'm watching this after PSG gets knocked out, Roma also gets knocked out, also Borussia Dortmund gets knocked out by Tottenham, and, of course, the game that could've been 5-1 6-3 if Ajax didn't miss some of the goals.
@@jica2295 this is a big year for football because we are at least going to have 2 or 3 new football giants and i think 1 or 2 teams are going to go down a little
@@RaygunzGOAT yep we've been champions of europe for 1000 over days... time to let the smaller boys have a taste of it.... but we'll be back next season bigger and stronger for sure...
Ajax draws twice against Bayern, knocks out Real Madrid in last 16 en knocks out Juventus in quarter final... Wow yeah this CL is so boring man, always the elite clubs : p
@@r3zaful After the 2-7 vs Bayern and the 2-2 vs Olympiacos I sincerely hope they make it through the knockout phase... just so we can take revenge at some point :-)
@@therealtigertalk The chances of one of the big teams winning is obviously really high. Look though at a couple years ago when Leicester won the EPL, it was a 5000/1 chance.
Robrodius Yes that’s true, but you have to admit that football is a very corrupt sport. Financial fair play is a joke. Things need to change. But we have people like you (I’m not mad at you btw I’m sure your a good person) who support the system by ignoring the blatant corruption and lack of competition. It’s been going on for ages now and it’s just pathetic at this point. I mean they are now even talking about creating a new exclusive super league.
@@rttujks- At the end that's the main goal of all that money and all those goals: To win prices. And for a club in Europe the highest achievable price is the UCL.
@@youmed1567 yet you ignore ajax knocked out clear favorites real madrid and gigantic competitors juventus and tottenham isn't a real big club, it's in the high midst zone, similar to clubs like napoli, inter and monaco (before they became shit)
You said underdogs like Marseille and Nottingham Forrest...both of those teams were the title winners in their domestic leagues when they won in Europe. Maybe the best clubs get to the later stages of the tournament because they're the best clubs in the world....maybe the name 'Champions league' gives you a clue that this is the tournament to crown the best domestic club in Europe...
Marseille was the second richest team in Europe behind Milan and was relegated the following season for match fixing, à real mafia, same story different players
Of course they were domestic league champions, otherwise they wouldn't be in the EC1 at that time. The point is that if you were building a good team then, you could keep your best players for a few years. Nowadays players just get bought away by the big clubs and smaller clubs don't get a chance to be better. It's not about youth academies, scouting networks and innovative playing styles anymore. It's about assembling the best players out there. Hence the rich clubs always win. Hell, even Barcelona relies on just buying nowadays.
@@Rockpotje Obviously that doesn't apply to every player at a smaller club. If you are implying that a team like nottingham managed to win partially because the culture of buying the best players wasn't present back then.. then can you explain Nottingham Forest signing Trevor Francis mid season? He was in 2 previous team of the years with Birmingham and became the first million pound english footballer after his transfer to Forest, he also scored the winner, set up by Jon Robertson in their 1979 final against Malmo.
Status bro . Refs are paid to support the high status clubs ( Madrid , Barca , juve , Bayern ) coz their fans want to see them go ahead instead of the truly deserved
Can't think of a more entertaining one. Most combacls on champions league history. If the final is as good as the rest of the tournament it'll probably be the best
The majority of them are boring and I find them a real turn off. The whole thing is designed to give the clubs from the so called "elite leagues" a bigger advantage than they have already. How the hell do Man City get parachuted into the group stages by right, just because of the league they play in, whilst Ajax (one of the most successful clubs of all time in the Champions League/European Cup) have to play in qualifying rounds? The whole thing is like having a marathon race, where certain runners are allowed to take drugs (just like so many clubs from "elite leagues" end up financially doping, with their rich sugar daddy owners). Then it turns out that the riff raff who aren't allowed to dope, have to run the full 26 mile course (with back markers getting periodically eliminated from the race) whilst the ones who are doping get to join the race at a later stage. Of course one of them would probably win the race, even with a more level playing field, but further barriers are put in the way of one of the non dopers winning.
This video is flawed. Going with your theory, every football league is boring, because even there, underdogs never win the title. In every footballing association, the elite teams win. It's the nature of the game!
Tshepo Rabekane yeah but the system perpetuates that. The big teams get the top pots and easier games and when you top the group you get an easier game in the round of 16, it just makes it so the big guys have a better chance to win and they don’t need to be given that much of a head start considering they already have the better players and biggest budgets
Peter E : The system is designed to make the game reasonably fair and entertaining. By separating the teams into pots, they avoid the possibility of all big teams being in the same group or all small teams winding up in the same groups. There is a balance to be had, and then in the latter stages it's an even plane field. To me it makes sense.
@@marknormand5276 You say there aren't enough elite teams but how's a team supposed to become elite when they're in the 4th pot of the CL and they're up against 3 top sides so they've got no chance and then get eliminated. The team that finishes bottom of their group gets the least amount of money so they end up selling whatever good players they have because the big boys come calling and they cant afford to match whatever salaries the elite teams are offering. The CL is set up for the rich to get richer and it makes it so we never get another elite team unless some Arab country decides to buy a club.
@@tsheporabekane4172 What's wrong with the big teams playing each other in the group stages, the group stages are boring as it is right now because the big guys just roll over the little guys. If the system was completely random, we could have Bayern, Madrid and Juventus in the same group, which means one of them is done and a smaller club can take their place in the round of 16 meaning that smaller club gets more money and can maybe hold on to their better players
But it starts to get boring, they should distribute the money more evenly so even smaller clubs can try and have a share of luck winning the big trophies
one word man How so? The league will become more competitive and much more fair! Also having money does not guarantee you being the champion, there are many factors behind that.
Alright, fair enough. But were they really an underdog back in the day? They were a big team, winning Serie A and they had Mourinho as a coach. Actually they were favorites in the final against Bayern Munich, don't you think?
You could argue that those players were not household names before that UCL win. Even if they were already a very successful team before lifting the trophy...
Do you suggest that we create a league where the winners of Europe's top 32 leagues compete?? Do you really want to watch the Hungarian champions? Or the Lithuanian, Moldova and Danish champions? Or we could limit it to the winners of the top 8 leagues... but a 8 team competition again is rubbish.. For me the champions league should contain europes BEST teams. What alternative are you putting forward here that makes it more exciting? @@dwkickoff
getting higher picks in the nfl and nba when your team sucked helps keep the league flowing, wheres the flow in CL? in 20 years it will be mostly the same. I could miss the cl for 20 years and not much will have changed...
i do agree with you to some extent prize money should be awarded the most for the winning team and it isn't to unfairly spread. But consistency is much better than being a one off as football especially in England is so competitive between the top six and you have to be somewhat consistent to be better than the other clubs.
Well the prize money is very important for small clubs that somehow make it into the Champions League. For example a team gets 15 million Euros just for being in the group stage. That's a lot of money for small clubs.
2005- Liverpool winning against mighty Milan 2012- Chelsea were clear underdogs under di Matteo , still winning it 2013- Dortmund reaching finals 2014/2016- Atletico reaching finals 2018- Liverpool reaching finals These are all remarkable achievements
the Champions League lost his magic for me years ago when the UEFA decided to give Spain, England, Germany and Italy four direct spots in the group stage. It's not a champions's competition anymore, because there are more non- domnestic league winners in it than actual champions. I much prefer the Europa or Conference League.... but silently praying for a Champions League with League winners only..... Money ruins everything, including football
If Atletico and Liverpool and Juventus had beaten Barca and Madrid nobody would be complaining..These teams had a chance to end the reign but the better teams won!! Simple.
@@supimsatan yeah how did the referee disallow Ajax's goal? Courtois made a mistake and they scored..the Ajax forward was just standing there , courtois went towards him realising he fucked up! After they scored look at the Madrid players reaction including courtois, they didn't appeal for any kind of foul or offside! If VAR was not present in that game, nobody would see that goal as an issue.. VAR is important but the structure and laws in implying it is ridiculous!
Except the player(Tadic) wasn't even offside when the header was made.. Courtois screwed up and went towards the Ajax player to try and block..He wouldn't have saved it even if Tadic was not in that position..His reaction said it all!!
John Cornell u must smoke crack lol Liverpool beat one of the best ever sides with legends in every position with a team that had Baros, Djimi Touré and Smicer and Kewell while Chelsea had title winners and a vast experienced squad not to mention the money that team cost. Liverpool’s 2005 win especially the way the game went with being 3 down at HT with that strike force of Kaka, Crespo n Shev all at the top of their game don5 be silly. Pls ffs
I just had to come after Ajax just beat Juventus and outclassed them a couple months on demolishing Real Madrid. Ajax clearly watched this video and said they'll prove you wtong Edit : OMG Tottenham just beat City in the game of all games. Take down your video. Ajax and Tottenham are in the Semis of the Uefa champions league. Edit: First thing, the fact that this edit no.3 says something about this year's champions league. Tottenham just made their way to the final in the most remarkable way over the most remarkable campaign. 1 point after 3 gs games. Finished 2nd. Trashed Dortmund Beat City in one of UCL best games ever. Then beat Ajax in one of the most thrilling games ever.
Marseille? So you want the original sugar daddy club, who was found guilty of domestic match fixing to win the UCL? That's interesting? Surely the big difference is domestic league domination, take Barca and Real, they qualify every year because they receive the vast bulk of the Spanish TV revenues, Juve 6 titles on the bounce, Bayern winning the title by April every season. Your 10 year list had Liverpool in 15th hardly near the top, Atletico have been to 2 recent finals, the elite are not fixed, look at AC Milan and Man Utds recent decline. Messi and Ronaldo have been the main reason for their teams success, it maybe Juves chance this year, but both won't be there forever!
@@jaytettehquarshie1522 The match fixing was a domestic match 6 days before the UCL Final v Milan. Tapie attempted too bribe a Valencienne player to take it easy in the match so that OM were fresher for the final, the player refused and blew the whistle. OM were a great team, but I'm not sure fans want a team bankrolled by a rich owner who is prepared to offer bribes in order to win?
Messi really, how so? Messi haven't done or won anything in Europe lately, and in the last 9 years he won twice. Messi have only been dominant in laliga.
ADAJ3 you have to remember spurs were less at full strength than Dortmund playing without a left back without Kane, dele and trippier. And 4 goals is a lot to have to score to stay in. You can’t use we weren’t at full strength as an excuse because we weren’t either
I cannot believe all those comments below, 'disproving' your analysis because there were some upsets in the 2018-2019. People, that's just ONE season! I completely agree on the long-term trend (although, as am Ajax fan, most upsets made me very happy).
@@dwkickoff Sometimes a Players go for a big opportunity, but then don't get enough chance so get lend to other club. Man I really know how it is because here in Brazil it's very rare when a good promising player isn't sold before his 22-23. Vinícius Jr. Was sold when he was 16, Philipe Coutinho was sold to Inter when he was 15. There is a boy from Fluminense who is 17 and already got sold to Watford. By these passing years after 2012 none South American team has ever won the Club World Cup and sometimes don't even get into the final.
@@dwkickoff Well I can only say by Brazil. Rodrygo from Santos is going to Madrid at half of year. The promising players who are already in Europe are Militao who is in Porto and Paulinho who is in Bayern Leverkuse
DW Kick off! If a player is really loyal to the team money wouldn’t be the first priority they dream of being stars but half of them just go the the biggest clubs and unless they get lucky just rot and waste their careers for money
I believe it is also harder for non-Elite clubs to actually become Elite. Dortmund won two Bundesliga titles and made the Champions League Finals but it doesn't really show since they didn't seem to grow from that all that much. They're better known and respected, but their squad is way worse than before and they couldn't sign an Elite player even if they were willing to splash the cash. It's the same with Atletico Madrid who had some amazing seasons lately, winning La Liga, making it to CL Finals and had decent League finishes each season in the Spanish League. Sure, they are better of than years prior to the beforementioned successes but they still can't quite get there in terms of becoming Elite.
Your logic is flawed on so many levels. The strongest team wins. That's it. Roma made the semi finals. Wasn't that amazing. That wasn't 20 years ago. It was last year. Liverpool made it to the final after so many years. You don't appreciate football.
Wrong he is correct big cubs like Ajax PSV Celtic, Rangers, Porto ect..... will never get to win it because uefa makes them go through 8 games just to get to the group stages while teams like arsenal who finish 4th in England qualify automatically, the system is flawed massively the old European cup format was much better.
It died in 1997, When you could qualify for the champions league when you finished 2nd and 3rd in your league. The competition should be what it says on the tin, the champions of their league. Only 1st place in the league should qualify. Not a watered down competition. The 2nd rate European competition should be a competition where only the domestic cup winners go through that way it's again a another competition with only champions and will make the domestic cups even more competitive.
Yeah I agree, it's shocking and insulting that England has 4 places in their league yet the winner of the Scottish League has to go through play offs. It's rigged.
Ed Armitage ajax didn’t win 3 in a row in 95 they won that in 71, 72 and 73. Then the big players were all sold in one go. For twenty years Ajax were nowhere on the champions league’s level. Then in 95 they won it out of nowhere
@@Jay-jh5re Yes, different times. From the 70's to the 90's it was still possible for a Dutch team to compete in Europe. Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV all won silverware. Today it is nearly impossible. This season we even couldn't see the Dutch champion qualify directly for the group stages of the Champions League anymore, thanks to bad results in Europe. Luckily, both Ajax and PSV managed to qualify anyway through the play-offs but for a big club in an smaller league it is a disaster to miss out on the Champions League because they need the money so they won't get too far behind. It's great to see Ajax reach the quarter finals again but we all know that next season all the good players are gone and they have to rebuild again to stay competitive. Meanwhile, the big leagues and clubs are guaranteed 4 spots. I know their clubs have more quality but I would like to see a more balanced system.
You do realize that Bayern just buys out the Bundesliga to weaken their opponents. Selling götze, lewa, and hummels wasn’t a choice of theirs, they just want more money to invest in younger players like bruun larsen and sancho
Why doesnt anyone understand that Liverpool winning the champions was not a surprise at all, they are an elite club which had reached the champions league final the year before this one and spent millions and millions on buying new players other teams could never afford.
It's like people don't get what he's saying. There will always be elites and underdogs. But the current gap between elites and underdogs is larger. Also, it's more difficult now for a team to become elite because of the way football is structured. So there is less movement between smaller and bigger clubs. All the best players now a days are concentrated in a few clubs. You have top players as bench in big in big teams. GK that would be starters for 17 teams in the league warming a bench. This is the problem.
Precisely, Mark. It's getting harder for clubs to stay competitive with the bigger clubs. Do you think the UCL should restructure how it distributed prize money?
@@dwkickoff If UEFA doesn't start enforcing financial fairplay rules, the big clubs will become so powerful that if UEFA wants to enforce financial fairplay later on, they can just break away and create their own league.
@@dwkickoff prize money distribution wont make a difference. the money isnt in prizes, its in television rights & merchandise, which is a direct reflection of the popularity of a team. no point in getting small clubs to compete if they dont have the fan base to back the club financially. even rich owners dont expect to just keep throwing money at a club. they want returns at some point... the non-elite clubs are actually doing better in some places than they were in the 90s. the english title race has gone from 2 clubs to at least the top 4. spurs have broken into the european spots. leicester won the title. atletico won the title. valencia pushed for one a few times. dortmund returned to challenging during the late 2000s. napoli were runners up not long ago. granted, theyd all have a tough time winning the UCL, but thats normal...apart from those 5 years where 'smaller' clubs won it, but even then the final still had one major club.
The problem is that this is not even a "champions" league anymore and here's why. The top 4 leagues - Spain, England, Germany and Italy have 4 guaranteed teams IN THE GROUP STAGE ALONE. That's half of the total participants in that phase. Prior to that the three best leagues had 3 teams in the group stage, while the 4th placed teams had to go to the play-off round (the final qualification step). France also got all of its teams qualified directly in the Group Stage, because Chelsea, the Europa League winners, already qualified as 3rd in the Premier League, giving the Europa League berth to the highest ranked association outside of the Top 4. Only 1 team from the Top 4 leagues did not qualify - Inter Milan. The gap between the rich clubs and the small clubs would widen even further with the introduction of a third competition - the Europa Conference League, where the lower ranked leagues (from 16th and below) would be. This will further deprive teams like Red Star, Dinamo Zagreb, Ludogorets, Astana and others from Champions League and even Europa League glory. In the past it was more simple - you had the European Champions Cup (reserved for domestic league winners), the Cup Winners Cup (for domestic cup winners) and the UEFA Cup (for the other teams).
EXCUSE ME ARE YOU SAYING LIVERPOOL WERE NOT UNDERDOGS IN 2005 Also, those teams won the cups because THEY WERE GOOD BACK THEN LOOK WHAT IS HAPPENING TO AC MILAN
I get your point but that's what we want to see. We don't want to watch a weaker team at the latter stages. Big names will always be hyped up and build up our mood and interest to watch these games. I'm a United supporter, we've dropped standards for some years now but I rather watch a game against world class players like PSG rather than a Zenit or Porto. The name is Champions League for a reason.
It is round of 16, not the finals... Also clubs like Ajax should not be underdogs but be on even footing. Problem is money and the Gap keeps getting worse and worse.
My issues with this video: Ajax and Porto have progressed to the top in 2018-19 league. Ajax have a steller squad and might even bear Juve. All the big clubs scramble to get players from lower teams like Dortmund (Jordon Sancho), Ajax (Frakie De Jong), Napoli (Koulabali). Thus these lower teams can cash in on this. So the money is flowing from big clubs to small ones. Even though the same teams move to the finals, it's still amazing to watch the super elite battle it out
Are we gonna pretend Bayern spends more than top 6 PL clubs? More than Man City? Come one. Don’t see them winning them UCL titles. Also the English clubs listed as underdogs were successful back then.
Leicester for example was in pot 1 back in 2017. Remember the quarter finals? Monaco leicester Dortmund. They all have an equal chance. Liverpool for example who havent won a trophy since 2009 reached the final. If the club is playing good football anything csn happen
The fact that Liverpool won it and reached the final 2 years in a row after being shite just some years before thanks to Klopp's vision and good tranfer strategy is just the proof of the opposite of this video Tottenham making the final and the insane run of Ajax are too
Bro this type of format is making the small clubs richer as when they compete with a team like Real Madrid or Manchester United they get higher viewership which in turn gives this more money Imagine who watches Monaco taking on benfica
" Ed explains why smaller teams and former UCL winners like Ajax, Marseille and Borussia Dortmund have no chance these days to lift the Champions League trophy again." "Ajax" D. Tadic must have decided to watch this video and prove you wrong
AC Milan dug their own grave..They sold their best players like Kaka and they depended on an ageing squad for success..they never prepared for replacing Nesta, Seedorf, Gattuso, Maldini, and many others..Its their own fault. Same with Inter..Apart from Juventus every other big team in Seria A are a mess..
Seria A in general is a mess..It's obvious its poor management..Look at the transfer policy..How many times have big players switched between Milan-Inter-Juventus-Roma, and these are one of the biggest rivalries in world football..I think the league needs to be fixed first and then the clubs will sort it out..Not enough Italian talents like before.. Imagine if Milan and Inter were as stable as the other big teams, top class players would be distributed in many leagues and better competition in champions league..Nowadays there are only a handful of top class teams to choose for young talents like M'bappe to sign for..Barca and Madrid are the obvious..then comes Bayern and Juventus...and then clubs with just money like PSG and Man City.. Man Utd and Chelsea attract players but they are not doing well in the league..Liverpool develop decent players into world class but i don't think they could afford someone like an M'bappe! If we had Milan,Inter,Arsenal,Dortmund,Lyon,Marseilles,Roma,Valencia, Porto,Benfica,Ajax,PSV,etc.., with stable and high revenue it would level the playing field and give top players a variety of options to play for and make it exciting!! And agents play a big role as well.. It looks like the agent decides the future for the player and not the player himself! Sad
Y’all should watch Liga MX their you’ll see teams being good one season and bad the next. Everyone has a chance their to win. Guadalajara has 12 titles under their name and they didn’t make to Liguilla or America who was champ last season now sits in 11 place. Teams like Atlas and Leon that did bad now are doing good so far and don’t forget Querétaro which usually never wins games they surprisingly made it to Liguilla last apertura season and now this clausura they haven’t won a game and it’s already in week 8 of 17
The sad thing is when Ajax beat Real Madrid ones in 20 years, all the players from Ajax are bought by the rich clubs the next year. So we are sure we get never surprised by Ajax for the next 10 years! football becomes much more attractive if teams like Ajax can keep its team for a few years, just like Real, Bayern and Barca can. Imagine clubs like Celtic, Galatasaray, Benfica, Ajax, Red Star, Marseille have the same opportunities.
so you are saying that the bad teams should get an easier draw because they are bad/?? and stop with those missleading stats 87 persent of the first pot teams win simply because they are better thats why they ended up there in the first place your argument is very bad man
No the argument is that there is a massive economic disparity between big and small clubs and the gap is only getting larger. As a result it means less competition which is true. The cl group stage is a joke. The knockouts are ok but even then we already know that teams like Porto and Ajax have no chance this year at winning the final.
@@therealtigertalk but that economic disparity is not only because of prise money in the champions league only it is mainly because of how large a teams fan bace is globaly thats the main income for big clobs wich they spent decades building so it doesnt matter what the champions league give to the teams the bigger clubs will always have more money
@@therealtigertalk it is on the weaker clubs clubs to get better and build a bigger fan bace not on the champions league or the bigger clubs so this videos argument is compleet nonsence
Anass Bouzit Do you remember Monaco? The year after they had a massive run in cl, all of their players left because Monaco knew they couldn’t afford their wages. Now they are at the bottom of the league table. Even with the transfer fees it’s insignificant because they sold irreplaceable players. Smaller clubs are forced to sell to bigger clubs, it’s part of the cycle. It’s the job of Uefa to sustain a balanced competitive environment. They’ve even stated this, but their actions go against their words.
FFP ruined football not money, it was designed by Rummenigge to stop by Bayern becoming a small European club so he wanted a rule that would protect his and other traditionally rich clubs from being challenged. He forget that Spain is corrupt and are financial cheats because La Liga gives two teams 68% of TV money and handed the La Liga to Spain for the next 10 years.
@@Delboy0 yeah i know i was just summing it up in one comment. the rich clubs keep getting richer same as in real life how the elite rule over the middle and poor class......the world is an unfair place
Delboy0 You're accusing an entire nation by saying "Spain is corrupt". Watch your language. You may be accusing the Real Federación Española de Fútbol (RFEF) which is still a pretty daring accusation. The thing is, you seem to forget PSG and Man City both have had financial issues because of the origin of their income. Real Madrid and Barcelona have had the 2 best players of the recent era. They've won everything in Europe until the point they've completely dominated it for 5 years. They are probably the two most popular, successful clubs in the world. But PSG still managed to, overnight, become one of the most powerful clubs and they stole Barça one of their best players, and the same for Juventus with Ronaldo. Neither of these teams have had any European success recently, apart from their domestic leagues. They have a pretty respectable fanbase but no way close to Real Madrid or Barcelona's. Why do you accuse La Liga so badly and with no proves of corruption, then, and not others much more suspicious? What about ATM and Sevilla success in Europe? How do you explain that, if they are so discriminated? They would be far, far away from European success if the 2 big clubs in Spain had corrupted everything here. The thing is, La Liga is a competitive league, both internally and in Europe (big difference with EPL competitiveness). And you seem a bit jealous about that. In fact La Liga is much more competitive including the entire table. I'm a Spanish 2nd Division's team fan and I can assure you we've got one of the most competitive 2nd Division, if not the best, above many European leagues (probably the 10th best in Europe counting every 1st and 2nd Division league, or so). So mid, low tabble teams in 1st Division are great teams too. Take a look at top 3 and bottom 3 teams of both, La Liga and EPL (there are 2 journeys of difference in favour of the EPL, take that in count). You'll see Barcelona is less dominant than both, Man City and Liverpool. That Huesca is far better than Huddersfield and that historical Spanish teams like Celta Vigo or Villarreal are fighting for not getting relegated. Yesterday, Girona won 1-2 to Real Madrid at Bernabeu. My team won Girona at their home two seasons ago. Just a few examples to disassemble the false image of EPL equality.
Ajax did beat RM and Juve, but another one of his points will take effect next season and all of the big money spending clubs will just buy up the core of the young players that are making ajax so special this season. And then next year it will be very unlikely that they will be able to repeat the success of this year. Then the cycle will repeat itself, it will take a few years for ajax to rebuild, and once they do more big spending clubs will raid for thier players once again.
@@matthewjones6836 I dont think u understand the point of ajax being the *Underdogs* the point of them being the underdogs is that they dont win it frequently so yeah obviously big clubs want to get big players with potential but do you really think if a good player like ronaldo or messi would have stayed at ajax if they started their career there? and anyways the big clubs will probably pay alot of money to get the player.
I understand what it means to be an underdog and that ajax doesn't see this type of European success often, nor do I think that good players with great potential should stay with small clubs.
The 90's was the last decade of when football was real. Big teams from smaller leagues like Red Star, Marseille, Ajax and Dortmund were able to challenge for the CL but now you have a generation of clueless plastic glory hunters who think that football revolves around teams like Barca, Real Madrid, Juve and Bayern. 🙁
DW Kick off! There's too much money to be made/earned from the established big boys now for UEFA to show authority and make football more about meritocracy. The fact that half of the 32 teams in the group stages are from only 4 nations because UEFA were scared of a potential Super League shows how powerful the current big boys are, so I have little hope.
In my opinion there should be no seeding system for the group stages of the Champions League. The only thing that should separate teams in the groups are if teams are from the same league. A "group of death" or group of minnows with a chance to reach the knockouts would be more exciting for me.
That certainly would make things more exciting and give teams with smaller budgets a better chance. Or why not scrap the group stages altogether, knockouts from the start?!
So basically you want european football to abandon capitalism and the free market system and make every club have the same revenue so they can each only afford to sign and/or train the same quality/quantity of players and get equal chances of winning or losing against each other? Yeah good luck with that...
I am actually a fan of FCPorto and the time we won the champions league was definitely unexpected, although we had a pretty good team, but the others teams you talked about dortmund, ajax and marseille were not so much because they all had great teams when they did it. The problem i have with football nowadays is that it is always the same teams that get to have great teams like barcelona, real madrid, bayern munich, juventus, man city, psg, etc while in the past the clubs who won the champions league always had great teams but were more varied. Nowadays, any team that isn't a part of this group of teams that starts to gather some good players has to sell them one season later, which is what is going to happen to Ajax. Also the first time we won the champions league in 1987 we had a great team that would be impossible to make nowadays.
I understand what you mean about 2nd/3rd/4th places teams ect... But would you rather watch the teams that finish in those places than watch the teams who win the league in Lithuania Hungary and Moldova? Or you suggest we watch a competition where the winners or Europe's top 8 leagues compete? because that'd be boring
@@DanLewis90 I like that Champions League format. But I want European Cup to maintain as first-tier competition. Then some kind of second-tier competition, maybe teams are picked like in Champions League, and also in group stage format. But for European Cup, I want them in group stage also, so other teams have chance to fight another team and do not end the competition so quick. The European Cup are being made so each champion of EACH country in Europe can compete together in one competition (as there is word 'Europe' there). They don't take considerations of big clubs' and their fans' demand so much. It doesn't matter who are strong or weak, or how many goals to be conceded, or how many star players in that team. It is European Cup, every country should have chance to join the continent's competition. Other continents should do the same thing. Nowadays, I see Champions League as a cash cow for elite clubs like Bayern, Man City, PSG, Juventus and Spain's Big 4. UCL has been known for match-fixing, especially that hot or cold balls. I see UCL as those aforementioned clubs' playground, rather than truly elite European's competition, which make it pretty bias towards other clubs. These popular clubs' fans' power and big clubs' egoism have led to the existence of this cash cow. We wouldn't see any underdogs stories or surprising ending anymore. There is also financial imbalance between clubs, where big clubs earn more and more money while other clubs getting loss, until some of them went bankrupt or having high debt to be settled. Because of this financial imbalance, where big clubs have become out-numbered, they begin an idea to make European Super League, which is seperated from their national league and also any European Competitions. If you guys really want your favourite teams to compete in European stage eventhough they are 2nd, 3rd and 4th placed, let that Champions League or any other names you want to become 2nd tier competition. For me, European Cup should be maintained until today. Let each country in Europe having a chance to represent in the big competition like these.
@@DanLewis90 when the money Gap was not as big, or is no Longer as big, clubs like Celtic, Feyenoord, PSV, Anderlecht, Marseille, Olympiacos, Zenit, Steaua, Benfica world be elite clubs.
@Sume Rossini because if they do, then they stop being an underdog. take for example Juventus who were an underdog in 2015 and reached the final and are now one of the strongest teams in football. another example is Atletico Madrid who have been on par with Real and Barca for quite a while ever since Simeone came.
Regardless of where you stand on the underdog controversy, 55% spread according to final place + 30% according to 10y ranking is pretty unfair! The EPL is also an "elitist" competition, but they have a much more fair distribution of the money, which makes the league more balanced and therefore sustainable in the long run, even with huge budget discrepancies like Man City's. Just look at the NBA, with some 50 years of financial success, also due to salary caps, drafts... US leagues as a hole (NHL, NFL, MLS) have very rich teams, but they also have that mentality of giving the mid ones a fighting chance, at least in theory.
@@dwkickoff If not a model in and of itself, they certainly could learn a thing or two about how a league should "attempt" to level the playing field, i.e., taking Financial Fair Play Regulations way more seriously. And I emphasized the word "attempt", because it doesn't have to mean the end of dinasties for the bigger teams, as we're seeing on NBA's Warriors or NFL's Patriots. But at least you have rules in place not to further increase the abyss.
as a dutch person i'm not bored with the champions league this year but i totally agree with this video, ajax is doing amazing against elite clubs that aren't 100% right now, both real and bayern. Against a elite club that plays at their full potential even ajax has little to no chance. My Ajax heart is still hoping tho
though a lot of the points are not great, he has a point about the money. It has evolved into a game where the rich clubs don't need to worry about losing too often. Im a dortmund fan, and how i see it, even if we somehow managed to win the league one or two years like with klopp, bayern can afford to cash out on player after player until the fix what they need. You'd never see a lewandowski, or a kimmich at dortmund anymore since we don't have the financial backing, to hand out 250k a week contracts and sign 50 million euro players. Our money comes from feeding teams like bayern talent, think sancho being sold to Man U today, so we get some good players for a season and have to move on, instead of keeping a consistently fantastic squad like man city, madrid, bayern etc.
Well you could say the same thing about Leicester winning the Prem in 15/16. But we can clearly see that it is possible to win as a underdog so who knows in a couple of years someone like Napoli could win it
Even if it means that teams like BVB, Schalke and Borussia Mönchengladbach are less competitive in the CL, I would never scrap the 50+1 rule. Unlike the EPL, the fans are the club in the Bundesliga and that's what makes the Bundesliga so special. The cheap ticket prices mean that the atmospheres are electric and games are accessible to families and younger fans. As the saying goes, EPL buys talent, the Bundesliga develops talent. Go SC Freiburg! 🔴⚫
Very true, Hugh. There's a big reason why Germany has some of the best atmospheres in Europe - and that's 50+1. Have you been to many Freiburg matches?
Also they got the toughest team on the way to the finals. PSG, Juventus, Bayern Munich and liverpool, all title contenders. It was their toughest UCL campaign. This year isn't so easy either.
it isn't a vicious circle.... this is a joke according to me.... barcelona and real madrid winning the champions league in the last 5 years is because they have/had a world class squad with most of their players in their prime, like ronaldo messi xavi iniesta puyol ramos xabi alonso modric pique dani alves cassilas etc. apart from the fact, bayern too had a world class team when they won it. Just wait for 2-3 more season and let the core chunk of barca rma players get retired or get aged. The gap will clearly open up
DW Kick off! Weren’t u the one just saying that small teams have made spectacular runs also the big teams that won earned their spot people blame madird for pens and all but ya don’t talk about how wolfsburg blew a lead in 45 mins psg blowing a 4 goal lead and the fight to win yea sure they have an advantage but that doesn’t guarantee ur gonna win
The concept of the underdog winning a competition is that it doesn’t happen that often...
actually
He managed to forget 2005 Liverpool. They had pretty much unknown team, especially weak one vs. Milan
Exactly
Don’t Fuckle With Shuckle they’re a big club, but their squad was garbage that year. They were absolutely a massive underdog
@Don’t Fuckle With Shuckle That AC Milan side had just won the champions league 2 years ago. That AC Milan team was one of the best sides in their history. That Liverpool team had finished the season on around 58 pts, behind Everton...
As I’m seeing this video ajax just knocked out Real Madrid 4-1 5-3 on aggregate
I'm watching this after PSG gets knocked out, Roma also gets knocked out, also Borussia Dortmund gets knocked out by Tottenham, and, of course, the game that could've been 5-1 6-3 if Ajax didn't miss some of the goals.
@ARTHURESPEL Yeah, Ajax is flying in this Champions League
@@jica2295 this is a big year for football because we are at least going to have 2 or 3 new football giants and i think 1 or 2 teams are going to go down a little
All im sayin just wait for next season. HALA MADRID
@@RaygunzGOAT yep we've been champions of europe for 1000 over days... time to let the smaller boys have a taste of it.... but we'll be back next season bigger and stronger for sure...
Ajax draws twice against Bayern, knocks out Real Madrid in last 16 en knocks out Juventus in quarter final...
Wow yeah this CL is so boring man, always the elite clubs : p
Watch ajax lose
Video was made before that dickheads. How was he supposed to know that they would do that
@@random_guy_on_youtube5342 everyone knows it's a joke r/woooosh
^^^
Dartslife, obviously you are ignorant and do not understand statistics.
Kick off: champions league is too predictable
Ajax: anybody hear sumn
@Leeber Gruber So far it seems Ajax is up for a do-over, so probably not just 'once' ;-)
@@musje83 Tottenham say hi
@@r3zaful After the 2-7 vs Bayern and the 2-2 vs Olympiacos I sincerely hope they make it through the knockout phase... just so we can take revenge at some point :-)
@@musje83 Tottenham is on building phase like how Liverpool plays so badly during klop early years, wait until they got the formula but not this year.
Some team can go through but the rich club will always win this game.
Meanwhile.....
Porto and Ajax are in the quarter finals
Who cares? They have literally no chance of winning... it’s just going to be another big club yet again
@@therealtigertalk The chances of one of the big teams winning is obviously really high. Look though at a couple years ago when Leicester won the EPL, it was a 5000/1 chance.
Robrodius Yes that’s true, but you have to admit that football is a very corrupt sport. Financial fair play is a joke. Things need to change. But we have people like you (I’m not mad at you btw I’m sure your a good person) who support the system by ignoring the blatant corruption and lack of competition. It’s been going on for ages now and it’s just pathetic at this point. I mean they are now even talking about creating a new exclusive super league.
David Kess We don’t have to admit to anything with your dumb logic
Darkness yep so corruption doesn’t exist in soccer. Hmm...🤔ok
''Why couldn’t you beat a richer club? I’ve never seen a bag of money score a goal'' - Johan Cruyff
So true
Clearly he hasn’t watched Man City play then ...
@@rttujks- Manchester City has had money for 10 years and never won the UCL. Same for PSG.
@@pereiraplaza222 we were talking about bags of money scoring goals, not them winning the UCL lol...
@@rttujks- At the end that's the main goal of all that money and all those goals: To win prices. And for a club in Europe the highest achievable price is the UCL.
I’m just guessing that maybe not losing 3-0 to Tottenham would help Dortmund win it
lmaaooo
lol
Cmon you spurs!!!
Facts this mate is stupid
Bruh you know all defence bvb were injured thats why they lost
Him: Champions League is boring and unfair
Liverpool,Ajax and Tottenham: I'm about to end this whole man's career
Liverpool and Tottenham are elite Clubs. Ajax didn't even go to the final. He is right.
@@youmed1567 yet you ignore ajax knocked out clear favorites real madrid and gigantic competitors juventus and tottenham isn't a real big club, it's in the high midst zone, similar to clubs like napoli, inter and monaco (before they became shit)
@@youmed1567 Ajax knocked out real and Juventus and liverpool and Tottenham had some brilliant comebacks
And the _boring final_
@@youmed1567 LOL Tottenham "elite"
who is here after the _very boring_ Liverpool and Tottenham comebacks?
this video is a joke 😂
This was before all the amazing games happened
@@memers94 It wasn't before all the amazing games happened. Ajax v Bayern in the group stages was a brilliant game to watch.
He is an idiot
@@memers94 has 3 subscribers what a fraud
Yep... this vid did not age well lol
You said underdogs like Marseille and Nottingham Forrest...both of those teams were the title winners in their domestic leagues when they won in Europe.
Maybe the best clubs get to the later stages of the tournament because they're the best clubs in the world....maybe the name 'Champions league' gives you a clue that this is the tournament to crown the best domestic club in Europe...
Marseille was the second richest team in Europe behind Milan and was relegated the following season for match fixing, à real mafia, same story different players
Exactly, underdogs aren't always meant to win.
Of course they were domestic league champions, otherwise they wouldn't be in the EC1 at that time. The point is that if you were building a good team then, you could keep your best players for a few years. Nowadays players just get bought away by the big clubs and smaller clubs don't get a chance to be better. It's not about youth academies, scouting networks and innovative playing styles anymore. It's about assembling the best players out there. Hence the rich clubs always win. Hell, even Barcelona relies on just buying nowadays.
Problem is that it's not really a champions league is it? The majority of the participants aren't even champions.
@@Rockpotje Obviously that doesn't apply to every player at a smaller club. If you are implying that a team like nottingham managed to win partially because the culture of buying the best players wasn't present back then.. then can you explain Nottingham Forest signing Trevor Francis mid season? He was in 2 previous team of the years with Birmingham and became the first million pound english footballer after his transfer to Forest, he also scored the winner, set up by Jon Robertson in their 1979 final against Malmo.
How is athletico madrid an easy opponent for juventus?
he’s deluted
Atlético *
Because Alvaroooo
Like *HOW?*
Status bro . Refs are paid to support the high status clubs ( Madrid , Barca , juve , Bayern ) coz their fans want to see them go ahead instead of the truly deserved
Dortmund aren’t that bad... ajax were beasts when they won..
But those "underdogs" were good teams during their respective era
Benfica of the 50's and 60's was the second best team in the champions league after Real Madrid.
@@AlfredoPuente8 which real madrid? specifically? that cross and luck team?
Yupp with eusobio benfica were unstoppable
paco ramon yeah if Milan didn’t exist
I love the way he makes this video and we have probably one of the most entertaining champions league in the last couple of years
Couple of years? 😂 Couple of decades
Can't think of a more entertaining one. Most combacls on champions league history. If the final is as good as the rest of the tournament it'll probably be the best
Too bad the finals were boring
The majority of them are boring and I find them a real turn off. The whole thing is designed to give the clubs from the so called "elite leagues" a bigger advantage than they have already. How the hell do Man City get parachuted into the group stages by right, just because of the league they play in, whilst Ajax (one of the most successful clubs of all time in the Champions League/European Cup) have to play in qualifying rounds? The whole thing is like having a marathon race, where certain runners are allowed to take drugs (just like so many clubs from "elite leagues" end up financially doping, with their rich sugar daddy owners). Then it turns out that the riff raff who aren't allowed to dope, have to run the full 26 mile course (with back markers getting periodically eliminated from the race) whilst the ones who are doping get to join the race at a later stage. Of course one of them would probably win the race, even with a more level playing field, but further barriers are put in the way of one of the non dopers winning.
You missed the point
PSG spent more than €1 Billion since the arrival of Qatari but still can't reach Semifinals.
MARC-ANDY MYRTIL you mean quarterfinals 😂
@@blechbuchse8284 they did reach the q's. Ask Luis Suarez, he'll tell you all about it.
DannyO They have had good managers they just cant win.
@@adeezy5503 like the dude who choled a 4-0 agregate, or the other dude who choked a 4-0 in a halftime?
No Name I feel like the blame cant be 100% on the coach the players played like shit
So Chelsea weren’t underdogs when they won? This video is about the dummest one I have ever seen
And Liverpool went underdogs as well the guy is taking out his assistant..lols
Chelsea is a rich club lol
Financially they weren't. Accept it.
dummest
nice
Lucas Dogan u haven’t seen his vid where he says human evolvement and football tactics are over
This video is flawed. Going with your theory, every football league is boring, because even there, underdogs never win the title. In every footballing association, the elite teams win. It's the nature of the game!
Tshepo Rabekane yeah but the system perpetuates that. The big teams get the top pots and easier games and when you top the group you get an easier game in the round of 16, it just makes it so the big guys have a better chance to win and they don’t need to be given that much of a head start considering they already have the better players and biggest budgets
Peter E : The system is designed to make the game reasonably fair and entertaining. By separating the teams into pots, they avoid the possibility of all big teams being in the same group or all small teams winding up in the same groups. There is a balance to be had, and then in the latter stages it's an even plane field. To me it makes sense.
Every football league is kind of boring. The problem is, there aren't enough elite teams. There should be more than 4 favorites.
@@marknormand5276 You say there aren't enough elite teams but how's a team supposed to become elite when they're in the 4th pot of the CL and they're up against 3 top sides so they've got no chance and then get eliminated. The team that finishes bottom of their group gets the least amount of money so they end up selling whatever good players they have because the big boys come calling and they cant afford to match whatever salaries the elite teams are offering. The CL is set up for the rich to get richer and it makes it so we never get another elite team unless some Arab country decides to buy a club.
@@tsheporabekane4172 What's wrong with the big teams playing each other in the group stages, the group stages are boring as it is right now because the big guys just roll over the little guys. If the system was completely random, we could have Bayern, Madrid and Juventus in the same group, which means one of them is done and a smaller club can take their place in the round of 16 meaning that smaller club gets more money and can maybe hold on to their better players
Call me old fashioned but I want the best team to be crowned the best team in Europe. Not a random underdog.
one word man yes because the players in those squads work hard to become the best players in the world..
one man word tbh same
But it starts to get boring, they should distribute the money more evenly so even smaller clubs can try and have a share of luck winning the big trophies
@@mediadon6545 if the money is distributed more evenly then it is less impressive that a small club has succeeded.
one word man How so? The league will become more competitive and much more fair!
Also having money does not guarantee you being the champion, there are many factors behind that.
Chelsea and inter were underdogs what are you smoking?
No one said that, swatej. Underdog teams that are mentioned are Porto, Ajax, Dortmund and Marseille....
@@dwkickoff I know but you said it had been 14 years since an underdog won the UCL when Chelsea and inter won it in last 10 years
Alright, fair enough. But were they really an underdog back in the day? They were a big team, winning Serie A and they had Mourinho as a coach. Actually they were favorites in the final against Bayern Munich, don't you think?
@@dwkickoff Generally I would agree with you...but any team winning in that period other than Barca should have been considered underdogs.
@@dwkickoff they were big underdogs when they beat Barcelona in the semifinal, both Inter in 2010 and Chelsea when they won it
"The Champions league is boring."
Am I the only one who remembers Der Klassiker as the final in England.
The last good champions league season
Porto? A bunch of nobodies? Never heard of Deco & Carvalho?
You could argue that those players were not household names before that UCL win. Even if they were already a very successful team before lifting the trophy...
Not to mention Vítor Baia, Paulo Ferreira, Jorge Costa, Nuno Valente, Costinha, Pedro Mendes, Maniche, Benni McCarthy
Russell, they were nobodies before the UCL win
We'll *have* to get a test done one day...
Do you suggest that we create a league where the winners of Europe's top 32 leagues compete?? Do you really want to watch the Hungarian champions? Or the Lithuanian, Moldova and Danish champions? Or we could limit it to the winners of the top 8 leagues... but a 8 team competition again is rubbish.. For me the champions league should contain europes BEST teams. What alternative are you putting forward here that makes it more exciting? @@dwkickoff
To me the prize money makes sense, the winners have earned the right to the prize money. But the 10 year coefficient money is downright disgusting.
Word.
getting higher picks in the nfl and nba when your team sucked helps keep the league flowing, wheres the flow in CL? in 20 years it will be mostly the same. I could miss the cl for 20 years and not much will have changed...
AV33 that’s just not true at all
i do agree with you to some extent prize money should be awarded the most for the winning team and it isn't to unfairly spread. But consistency is much better than being a one off as football especially in England is so competitive between the top six and you have to be somewhat consistent to be better than the other clubs.
Well the prize money is very important for small clubs that somehow make it into the Champions League. For example a team gets 15 million Euros just for being in the group stage. That's a lot of money for small clubs.
2005- Liverpool winning against mighty Milan
2012- Chelsea were clear underdogs under di Matteo , still winning it
2013- Dortmund reaching finals
2014/2016- Atletico reaching finals
2018- Liverpool reaching finals
These are all remarkable achievements
Swarup Banerjee yeah clearly liverpool and atletico are underdogs
2003-04 monaco v porto?
Liverpool reachin finals ?? They were favs to reach final last year :3
@@Saurabhrkohardy
WTF ?
Nobody expected them ?
Salah exploded in this season. They were underdogs
Athletico and Liverpool are super clubs not underdogs
the Champions League lost his magic for me years ago when the UEFA decided to give Spain, England, Germany and Italy four direct spots in the group stage. It's not a champions's competition anymore, because there are more non- domnestic league winners in it than actual champions. I much prefer the Europa or Conference League.... but silently praying for a Champions League with League winners only.....
Money ruins everything, including football
2 years ago Monaco reached the Semi’s. Wdym
2 years ago Monaco won Ligue 1 so it makes sense
2 years ago they had mbappe and an insane amount of talent
So Monaco is gonna be winning champions you're saying...
Where are they now?
Monaco has become shit now, After selling their talents. They are more of a business really, than a winning club.
If Atletico and Liverpool and Juventus had beaten Barca and Madrid nobody would be complaining..These teams had a chance to end the reign but the better teams won!! Simple.
Referee helped Madrid these last few years alot, including this year.
@@supimsatan yeah how did the referee disallow Ajax's goal? Courtois made a mistake and they scored..the Ajax forward was just standing there , courtois went towards him realising he fucked up! After they scored look at the Madrid players reaction including courtois, they didn't appeal for any kind of foul or offside! If VAR was not present in that game, nobody would see that goal as an issue.. VAR is important but the structure and laws in implying it is ridiculous!
@@supimsatan This year, VAR?
Savvle he is right ajax scored a goal and it was disallowed and most people agree it was a goal
Except the player(Tadic) wasn't even offside when the header was made.. Courtois screwed up and went towards the Ajax player to try and block..He wouldn't have saved it even if Tadic was not in that position..His reaction said it all!!
The champions league has always been about elite clubs
What were you thinking?
An underdog every year?
Hahaha that's what
It is clearly named "Champion" League. League of Champions. Champion = Elite 😂
But he also mentioned among the champs , it's to predictable who is gonna win it.
Having an underdog win every year won't make them underdogs anymore and this dude will be unsatisfied😒
@@Hollowizeify yes and real are out bayern is out psg is out
Kids in 2050 “why the World Cup is boring”
Well, you could say liverpool's win in 2005 was the last time an underdog won, because that milan team was fire
John Cornell u must smoke crack lol Liverpool beat one of the best ever sides with legends in every position with a team that had Baros, Djimi Touré and Smicer and Kewell while Chelsea had title winners and a vast experienced squad not to mention the money that team cost. Liverpool’s 2005 win especially the way the game went with being 3 down at HT with that strike force of Kaka, Crespo n Shev all at the top of their game don5 be silly. Pls ffs
John Cornell no way is Chelsea beating Bayern bigger then Liverpool v Milan
@John Cornell nah it wasn't because they came back 3-0 to win the title
Chelsea in 2012
@Arch Stanton no way mate that Milan team in 2005 was incredible every position had a legend
I just had to come after Ajax just beat Juventus and outclassed them a couple months on demolishing Real Madrid. Ajax clearly watched this video and said they'll prove you wtong
Edit : OMG Tottenham just beat City in the game of all games. Take down your video. Ajax and Tottenham are in the Semis of the Uefa champions league.
Edit: First thing, the fact that this edit no.3 says something about this year's champions league. Tottenham just made their way to the final in the most remarkable way over the most remarkable campaign.
1 point after 3 gs games.
Finished 2nd.
Trashed Dortmund
Beat City in one of UCL best games ever.
Then beat Ajax in one of the most thrilling games ever.
So true ((
ajax or tottenhem will be in the finals aswel
@@alwaysjarron6260 indeed.
@@meshachgopaul1077 lmao, thats arguably the best game in spurs history and they didnt even win
BEASTTGT 101 yes I think he is going to regret because Ajax will maybe win this year
He said the CL was too predictable... lol
Not anymore
in the end it won the second best english team.
not a surprise...
@@marpagapal3312 Bruh, liverpool are better than man city
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@Assrol Paint 3-1
Nobody:
This guy : No im not singing the anthem
Actual non-cancerous use of this meme
Why teams like Dortmund can't win the champions league , well , getting knocked out by Tottenham is one of the reasons I think 😂
eugene akl I know spurs haven’t even spent a single penny on new players 😂😂
dortmund didn't have their entire team, sad cuz they would have a chance with reus on the field.
@@eugenest neither spurs
@@dimitrisk.2443 only harry kane
@@eugenest and dele alli
Whos here after 4-1 Ajax real madrid
;)
Who will be here when two from Bayern Munich/Liverpool and Atletico Madrid/Juventus are also eliminated...
No Ronald no champions league for RM.
I'm here from the future, AJAX KNOCKED OUT JUVE
@@caadvice4597 No Madrid no champions league for Ronaldo.
Marseille? So you want the original sugar daddy club, who was found guilty of domestic match fixing to win the UCL? That's interesting? Surely the big difference is domestic league domination, take Barca and Real, they qualify every year because they receive the vast bulk of the Spanish TV revenues, Juve 6 titles on the bounce, Bayern winning the title by April every season. Your 10 year list had Liverpool in 15th hardly near the top, Atletico have been to 2 recent finals, the elite are not fixed, look at AC Milan and Man Utds recent decline. Messi and Ronaldo have been the main reason for their teams success, it maybe Juves chance this year, but both won't be there forever!
Exactly. Well said
Have a good point here tbh
Marseille fixed everything but their UCL trophy in 1993.Uefa uld hv taken it back if they were found guilty
@@jaytettehquarshie1522 The match fixing was a domestic match 6 days before the UCL Final v Milan. Tapie attempted too bribe a Valencienne player to take it easy in the match so that OM were fresher for the final, the player refused and blew the whistle. OM were a great team, but I'm not sure fans want a team bankrolled by a rich owner who is prepared to offer bribes in order to win?
Messi really, how so? Messi haven't done or won anything in Europe lately, and in the last 9 years he won twice. Messi have only been dominant in laliga.
TH-cam: Lets put this to your recommended in 2020
Why the Champions League is boring
Liverpool come back from a 3-0 deficit against barca to a 4-3 win vs barca
And guess what? Messi was on
And salah and mane werent
@@izdavid5933 Mané was, Firmino wasn't
@@Nadim833 my bad
Well, that's the point. It doesn't happen that much.
when you buy a defender with 70 mil and a goalkeeper with 45 mil you not a small team you just pretend
The system sucks, but teams like Dortmund will give themselves a chance if they continue their good scouting & hold on to their top young talent
They will always have hope, but what did you make of the loss to Tottenham?
They lost Sven who was their main man of scouting in next 5 year we will see how Dortmunt will end up
DW Kick off! I think at full strength they could have beaten Spurs over 2 legs, but the 3 goal margin seems insurmountable
ADAJ3 you have to remember spurs were less at full strength than Dortmund playing without a left back without Kane, dele and trippier. And 4 goals is a lot to have to score to stay in. You can’t use we weren’t at full strength as an excuse because we weren’t either
@@ADAJ3KINGANGEL have you forgotten that Tottenham beat Dortmund 3-1,3-1 last year?
The 2012 chelsea team were also underdogs tbh, so were the Liverpool 2005 team
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That chelsea team was weak like the 2014/15 team deserved to win it
Yeah istanbul
only two examples that happened 7, and 16 years ago, two measley example good fucking job...
I cannot believe all those comments below, 'disproving' your analysis because there were some upsets in the 2018-2019. People, that's just ONE season!
I completely agree on the long-term trend (although, as am Ajax fan, most upsets made me very happy).
Imagine if Porto win this time
🤣🤣he will not have anything except to delete this video
alfred pn
It would be better if Ajax won
@@WizardPJfan True. I couldn't bare the sight of Pepe lifting another UCL
Liverpool
Thier most probable path will be
Vs Liverpool
Vs Barca
Vs Man.city
Not that Easy eh 😂
But Liverpool are winning 2 goals to 0 to 99 percent chance it will be a ilte club
You wanna other reason? All small teams sell their promising players to richest clubs instead of keeping them and produce great new players as well.
Do you think they can afford to offer them big enough wages though, Lilo? Or risk losing them on a free transfer?
@@dwkickoff Sometimes a Players go for a big opportunity, but then don't get enough chance so get lend to other club. Man I really know how it is because here in Brazil it's very rare when a good promising player isn't sold before his 22-23. Vinícius Jr. Was sold when he was 16, Philipe Coutinho was sold to Inter when he was 15. There is a boy from Fluminense who is 17 and already got sold to Watford. By these passing years after 2012 none South American team has ever won the Club World Cup and sometimes don't even get into the final.
Must be tough seeing all the Brasilian talent leave! Who are the next big talents coming out of South America, Lilo?
@@dwkickoff Well I can only say by Brazil. Rodrygo from Santos is going to Madrid at half of year. The promising players who are already in Europe are Militao who is in Porto and Paulinho who is in Bayern Leverkuse
DW Kick off! If a player is really loyal to the team money wouldn’t be the first priority they dream of being stars but half of them just go the the biggest clubs and unless they get lucky just rot and waste their careers for money
Who is here after Liverpool knocked out Barca? And Ajax knocked Juve
Noki I’m here after Tottenham beat Ajax
Spurs: participates in the ucl final for the first time
I believe it is also harder for non-Elite clubs to actually become Elite. Dortmund won two Bundesliga titles and made the Champions League Finals but it doesn't really show since they didn't seem to grow from that all that much. They're better known and respected, but their squad is way worse than before and they couldn't sign an Elite player even if they were willing to splash the cash. It's the same with Atletico Madrid who had some amazing seasons lately, winning La Liga, making it to CL Finals and had decent League finishes each season in the Spanish League. Sure, they are better of than years prior to the beforementioned successes but they still can't quite get there in terms of becoming Elite.
Your logic is flawed on so many levels. The strongest team wins. That's it. Roma made the semi finals. Wasn't that amazing. That wasn't 20 years ago. It was last year. Liverpool made it to the final after so many years. You don't appreciate football.
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The same Liverpool that spent over £100m in each of the last two summers? Proper underdog
Nope. The guy from the video is right . I’m a Barcelona fan but it’s true than the big clubs have a ton more $$$ than the rest of the clubs .
Wrong he is correct big cubs like Ajax PSV Celtic, Rangers, Porto ect..... will never get to win it because uefa makes them go through 8 games just to get to the group stages while teams like arsenal who finish 4th in England qualify automatically, the system is flawed massively the old European cup format was much better.
Scott Whitley lol Celtic and rangers are miles away from being big teams. Just because they are the best teams in Scotland doesn’t make them good
This is getting a dislike due to him referring light-years as time not distance.
Harry Baker he didn’t lol
Lpoh Bkko “clubs lifting the trophy are now light years away from winning it again” or something like that. 2:20
Harry Baker he can still use it as distance idiot. Still fits the way he said it.
@@bobbysanchezlive659 no need to get hostile
Harry Baker That is referring to distance...
It died in 1997, When you could qualify for the champions league when you finished 2nd and 3rd in your league. The competition should be what it says on the tin, the champions of their league. Only 1st place in the league should qualify. Not a watered down competition.
The 2nd rate European competition should be a competition where only the domestic cup winners go through that way it's again a another competition with only champions and will make the domestic cups even more competitive.
Yeah I agree, it's shocking and insulting that England has 4 places in their league yet the winner of the Scottish League has to go through play offs. It's rigged.
Ajax won 3 in a row? underdogs? And when Benfecia and Hamburg and Celtic won they were the biggest clubs in the world then
Ed Armitage ajax didn’t win 3 in a row in 95 they won that in 71, 72 and 73. Then the big players were all sold in one go. For twenty years Ajax were nowhere on the champions league’s level. Then in 95 they won it out of nowhere
@@Jay-jh5re Yes, different times. From the 70's to the 90's it was still possible for a Dutch team to compete in Europe. Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV all won silverware. Today it is nearly impossible. This season we even couldn't see the Dutch champion qualify directly for the group stages of the Champions League anymore, thanks to bad results in Europe. Luckily, both Ajax and PSV managed to qualify anyway through the play-offs but for a big club in an smaller league it is a disaster to miss out on the Champions League because they need the money so they won't get too far behind. It's great to see Ajax reach the quarter finals again but we all know that next season all the good players are gone and they have to rebuild again to stay competitive. Meanwhile, the big leagues and clubs are guaranteed 4 spots. I know their clubs have more quality but I would like to see a more balanced system.
Benfica is one of the best clubs of all time. 9 european finals.
jppcbc 00 AC Milan is kind of the same story, but it doesn’t matter how many times you are in the finals if they only win a few
@@Jay-jh5re they won it 2 times, in a row. We have been unlucky and were in a europa league final in 2013 so we're still pretty good.
I'm guessing not selling your whole squad the Bayern Munich will help Dortmund win it
yeah and you also didn't sell lewandowski, hummels and gotze the exact year after they had started becoming good
@Dylan Kasperowicz lewa, gotze, hummels
You do realize that Bayern just buys out the Bundesliga to weaken their opponents. Selling götze, lewa, and hummels wasn’t a choice of theirs, they just want more money to invest in younger players like bruun larsen and sancho
@@NitrosNeeded wow what an expert . Dortmund also buy Nico Schulz and Thorgan Hazard so oof (and might buy Brandt too)
Who else is here after ajax beat juventus in the quarter final
Here after spurs beat ajax
Lewis Sandy here after Liverpool won
Herr after Liverpool lost.
Here after 2nd round of 2019/20 gs
*wait till he sees the rest lmao*
Why doesnt anyone understand that Liverpool winning the champions was not a surprise at all, they are an elite club which had reached the champions league final the year before this one and spent millions and millions on buying new players other teams could never afford.
This has popped into my recommendations after a team who spent nothing has reached the final.
nothing! they don't pay the players, they play for free? They don't buy players only in the last season.
@@englishesl3521 He meant that Tottenham didn't buy any players in the transfer window (except Ndombele, I think)
It's like people don't get what he's saying. There will always be elites and underdogs. But the current gap between elites and underdogs is larger. Also, it's more difficult now for a team to become elite because of the way football is structured. So there is less movement between smaller and bigger clubs. All the best players now a days are concentrated in a few clubs. You have top players as bench in big in big teams. GK that would be starters for 17 teams in the league warming a bench. This is the problem.
Precisely, Mark. It's getting harder for clubs to stay competitive with the bigger clubs. Do you think the UCL should restructure how it distributed prize money?
@@dwkickoff If UEFA doesn't start enforcing financial fairplay rules, the big clubs will become so powerful that if UEFA wants to enforce financial fairplay later on, they can just break away and create their own league.
@@dwkickoff prize money distribution wont make a difference. the money isnt in prizes, its in television rights & merchandise, which is a direct reflection of the popularity of a team. no point in getting small clubs to compete if they dont have the fan base to back the club financially. even rich owners dont expect to just keep throwing money at a club. they want returns at some point...
the non-elite clubs are actually doing better in some places than they were in the 90s. the english title race has gone from 2 clubs to at least the top 4. spurs have broken into the european spots. leicester won the title. atletico won the title. valencia pushed for one a few times. dortmund returned to challenging during the late 2000s. napoli were runners up not long ago. granted, theyd all have a tough time winning the UCL, but thats normal...apart from those 5 years where 'smaller' clubs won it, but even then the final still had one major club.
Man City became an elite club. All you need is a super rich owner with barrels of oil
sTorm Joester Manchester city is literally owned by a country
Facts but The CL is the most enjoyable competetion to watch. The 10-year coefficient was unnecessary tho.
because it has the most money, but it's flaw will be it's demise going forward...
The problem is that this is not even a "champions" league anymore and here's why. The top 4 leagues - Spain, England, Germany and Italy have 4 guaranteed teams IN THE GROUP STAGE ALONE. That's half of the total participants in that phase. Prior to that the three best leagues had 3 teams in the group stage, while the 4th placed teams had to go to the play-off round (the final qualification step). France also got all of its teams qualified directly in the Group Stage, because Chelsea, the Europa League winners, already qualified as 3rd in the Premier League, giving the Europa League berth to the highest ranked association outside of the Top 4. Only 1 team from the Top 4 leagues did not qualify - Inter Milan.
The gap between the rich clubs and the small clubs would widen even further with the introduction of a third competition - the Europa Conference League, where the lower ranked leagues (from 16th and below) would be. This will further deprive teams like Red Star, Dinamo Zagreb, Ludogorets, Astana and others from Champions League and even Europa League glory. In the past it was more simple - you had the European Champions Cup (reserved for domestic league winners), the Cup Winners Cup (for domestic cup winners) and the UEFA Cup (for the other teams).
EXCUSE ME ARE YOU SAYING LIVERPOOL WERE NOT UNDERDOGS IN 2005
Also, those teams won the cups because THEY WERE GOOD BACK THEN
LOOK WHAT IS HAPPENING TO AC MILAN
I get your point but that's what we want to see. We don't want to watch a weaker team at the latter stages. Big names will always be hyped up and build up our mood and interest to watch these games. I'm a United supporter, we've dropped standards for some years now but I rather watch a game against world class players like PSG rather than a Zenit or Porto. The name is Champions League for a reason.
Bruhh! If a team is weak,then it simply won't make it to the latter stages.
You saw what happened yesterday.....so I request you to kindly delete this video🤐🤐
Muhahahahahaah!
Dumbass lol
It is round of 16, not the finals... Also clubs like Ajax should not be underdogs but be on even footing. Problem is money and the Gap keeps getting worse and worse.
Koopa Library ajax has tons of money but it is from shareholders so ajax gets money but they dont want to spend a lot
@@Tobias-xr9gy at the end of the day, they can't spend like some other clubs
I love how he's still known as "fat ronaldo" xD
My issues with this video:
Ajax and Porto have progressed to the top in 2018-19 league. Ajax have a steller squad and might even bear Juve.
All the big clubs scramble to get players from lower teams like Dortmund (Jordon Sancho), Ajax (Frakie De Jong), Napoli (Koulabali). Thus these lower teams can cash in on this. So the money is flowing from big clubs to small ones.
Even though the same teams move to the finals, it's still amazing to watch the super elite battle it out
Are we gonna pretend Bayern spends more than top 6 PL clubs? More than Man City? Come one. Don’t see them winning them UCL titles. Also the English clubs listed as underdogs were successful back then.
Leicester for example was in pot 1 back in 2017. Remember the quarter finals? Monaco leicester Dortmund. They all have an equal chance. Liverpool for example who havent won a trophy since 2009 reached the final. If the club is playing good football anything csn happen
The fact that Liverpool won it and reached the final 2 years in a row after being shite just some years before thanks to Klopp's vision and good tranfer strategy is just the proof of the opposite of this video
Tottenham making the final and the insane run of Ajax are too
Bro this type of format is making the small clubs richer as when they compete with a team like Real Madrid or Manchester United they get higher viewership which in turn gives this more money
Imagine who watches Monaco taking on benfica
Wow this didn't age well.
Both Ajax and Tottenham are in the semifinals.
Who's here after Ajax beat Tottenham in the semi final 1st leg?
@@swishreacts2833 never went for either team lol
Number 1 rule in football: NEVER say that something can't happen
" Ed explains why smaller teams and former UCL winners like Ajax, Marseille and Borussia Dortmund have no chance these days to lift the Champions League trophy again."
"Ajax"
D. Tadic must have decided to watch this video and prove you wrong
Well said
Though a couple of hours ago Tottenham beat Ajax and moved on to the final, making history
@@chrismartin2505 Did you mean Lucas Moura made history?
Ajax who? COYS!
You lost me the moment you said “Fat Ronaldo”.
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Thera are two Ronaldos, CR7 and the fat one, or real one as some put it.
@@damasek219 el fenomeno not fat ronaldo
Look at poor AC Milan, 7 Champions League and today they cant win anything because of this Uefa mafia sistem
It's a big dilemma for some of these former European giants!
AC Milan dug their own grave..They sold their best players like Kaka and they depended on an ageing squad for success..they never prepared for replacing Nesta, Seedorf, Gattuso, Maldini, and many others..Its their own fault. Same with Inter..Apart from Juventus every other big team in Seria A are a mess..
So do you think it's more about poor management, Sriram? Could AC Milan return to the top in the current climate?
Seria A in general is a mess..It's obvious its poor management..Look at the transfer policy..How many times have big players switched between Milan-Inter-Juventus-Roma, and these are one of the biggest rivalries in world football..I think the league needs to be fixed first and then the clubs will sort it out..Not enough Italian talents like before..
Imagine if Milan and Inter were as stable as the other big teams, top class players would be distributed in many leagues and better competition in champions league..Nowadays there are only a handful of top class teams to choose for young talents like M'bappe to sign for..Barca and Madrid are the obvious..then comes Bayern and Juventus...and then clubs with just money like PSG and Man City..
Man Utd and Chelsea attract players but they are not doing well in the league..Liverpool develop decent players into world class but i don't think they could afford someone like an M'bappe!
If we had Milan,Inter,Arsenal,Dortmund,Lyon,Marseilles,Roma,Valencia, Porto,Benfica,Ajax,PSV,etc.., with stable and high revenue it would level the playing field and give top players a variety of options to play for and make it exciting!!
And agents play a big role as well.. It looks like the agent decides the future for the player and not the player himself! Sad
Y’all should watch Liga MX their you’ll see teams being good one season and bad the next. Everyone has a chance their to win. Guadalajara has 12 titles under their name and they didn’t make to Liguilla or America who was champ last season now sits in 11 place. Teams like Atlas and Leon that did bad now are doing good so far and don’t forget Querétaro which usually never wins games they surprisingly made it to Liguilla last apertura season and now this clausura they haven’t won a game and it’s already in week 8 of 17
Lol. The host must have thought that he was so clever while making this video.
Europa League is real football
Interesting take. Why do you say that?
Nah. The Sunday Leagues are Football. Even Europa League is a money driven competition but it's far less than CL
Nobody cares
Hahahaha, sure about that?
more fair than money ucl?
The sad thing is when Ajax beat Real Madrid ones in 20 years, all the players from Ajax are bought by the rich clubs the next year.
So we are sure we get never surprised by Ajax for the next 10 years! football becomes much more attractive if teams like Ajax can keep its team for a few years, just like Real, Bayern and Barca can.
Imagine clubs like Celtic, Galatasaray, Benfica, Ajax, Red Star, Marseille have the same
opportunities.
That’s true bcs deniong left de light might leave
Ajax has a grea bag of money of their own now...players will getting expensive....we will keep good players
so you are saying that the bad teams should get an easier draw because they are bad/??
and stop with those missleading stats 87 persent of the first pot teams win simply because they are better thats why they ended up there in the first place
your argument is very bad man
No the argument is that there is a massive economic disparity between big and small
clubs and the gap is only getting larger. As a result it means less competition which is true. The cl group stage is a joke. The knockouts are ok but even then we already know that teams like Porto and Ajax have no chance this year at winning the final.
@@therealtigertalk but that economic disparity is not only because of prise money in the champions league only it is mainly because of how large a teams fan bace is globaly thats the main income for big clobs wich they spent decades building so it doesnt matter what the champions league give to the teams the bigger clubs will always have more money
Anass Bouzit Exactly. And as a result competition weakens.
@@therealtigertalk it is on the weaker clubs clubs to get better and build a bigger fan bace not on the champions league or the bigger clubs so this videos argument is compleet nonsence
Anass Bouzit Do you remember Monaco? The year after they had a massive run in cl, all of their players left because Monaco knew they couldn’t afford their wages. Now they are at the bottom of the league table. Even with the transfer fees it’s insignificant because they sold irreplaceable players. Smaller clubs are forced to sell to bigger clubs, it’s part of the cycle. It’s the job of Uefa to sustain a balanced competitive environment. They’ve even stated this, but their actions go against their words.
Who is here after Dortmund Made it to the final ?
right here!! lol
Football was cursed when team owners started using money...... This is ruining football everywhere
FFP ruined football not money, it was designed by Rummenigge to stop by Bayern becoming a small European club so he wanted a rule that would protect his and other traditionally rich clubs from being challenged. He forget that Spain is corrupt and are financial cheats because La Liga gives two teams 68% of TV money and handed the La Liga to Spain for the next 10 years.
@@Delboy0 yeah i know i was just summing it up in one comment.
the rich clubs keep getting richer same as in real life how the elite rule over the middle and poor class......the world is an unfair place
Interesting take.
Just cos your team is rubbish
Delboy0 You're accusing an entire nation by saying "Spain is corrupt". Watch your language. You may be accusing the Real Federación Española de Fútbol (RFEF) which is still a pretty daring accusation.
The thing is, you seem to forget PSG and Man City both have had financial issues because of the origin of their income.
Real Madrid and Barcelona have had the 2 best players of the recent era. They've won everything in Europe until the point they've completely dominated it for 5 years. They are probably the two most popular, successful clubs in the world. But PSG still managed to, overnight, become one of the most powerful clubs and they stole Barça one of their best players, and the same for Juventus with Ronaldo. Neither of these teams have had any European success recently, apart from their domestic leagues. They have a pretty respectable fanbase but no way close to Real Madrid or Barcelona's. Why do you accuse La Liga so badly and with no proves of corruption, then, and not others much more suspicious?
What about ATM and Sevilla success in Europe? How do you explain that, if they are so discriminated? They would be far, far away from European success if the 2 big clubs in Spain had corrupted everything here. The thing is, La Liga is a competitive league, both internally and in Europe (big difference with EPL competitiveness). And you seem a bit jealous about that.
In fact La Liga is much more competitive including the entire table. I'm a Spanish 2nd Division's team fan and I can assure you we've got one of the most competitive 2nd Division, if not the best, above many European leagues (probably the 10th best in Europe counting every 1st and 2nd Division league, or so). So mid, low tabble teams in 1st Division are great teams too. Take a look at top 3 and bottom 3 teams of both, La Liga and EPL (there are 2 journeys of difference in favour of the EPL, take that in count). You'll see Barcelona is less dominant than both, Man City and Liverpool. That Huesca is far better than Huddersfield and that historical Spanish teams like Celta Vigo or Villarreal are fighting for not getting relegated. Yesterday, Girona won 1-2 to Real Madrid at Bernabeu. My team won Girona at their home two seasons ago.
Just a few examples to disassemble the false image of EPL equality.
Who is watching after Ajax and Tottenham made it to the semi-finals?
Well ajax beat juve so ur point doesnt stand
Tottenham beat City
Ajax did beat RM and Juve, but another one of his points will take effect next season and all of the big money spending clubs will just buy up the core of the young players that are making ajax so special this season. And then next year it will be very unlikely that they will be able to repeat the success of this year. Then the cycle will repeat itself, it will take a few years for ajax to rebuild, and once they do more big spending clubs will raid for thier players once again.
@@matthewjones6836 I dont think u understand the point of ajax being the *Underdogs* the point of them being the underdogs is that they dont win it frequently so yeah obviously big clubs want to get big players with potential but do you really think if a good player like ronaldo or messi would have stayed at ajax if they started their career there? and anyways the big clubs will probably pay alot of money to get the player.
I understand what it means to be an underdog and that ajax doesn't see this type of European success often, nor do I think that good players with great potential should stay with small clubs.
@@matthewjones6836 So whats ur point to me exactly
1 more match and his title in jinxed forever
Fr and it's so sad
The 90's was the last decade of when football was real. Big teams from smaller leagues like Red Star, Marseille, Ajax and Dortmund were able to challenge for the CL but now you have a generation of clueless plastic glory hunters who think that football revolves around teams like Barca, Real Madrid, Juve and Bayern. 🙁
Do you think there's any chance of football returning to those days, Aidy?
DW Kick off! There's too much money to be made/earned from the established big boys now for UEFA to show authority and make football more about meritocracy. The fact that half of the 32 teams in the group stages are from only 4 nations because UEFA were scared of a potential Super League shows how powerful the current big boys are, so I have little hope.
In my opinion there should be no seeding system for the group stages of the Champions League. The only thing that should separate teams in the groups are if teams are from the same league. A "group of death" or group of minnows with a chance to reach the knockouts would be more exciting for me.
That certainly would make things more exciting and give teams with smaller budgets a better chance. Or why not scrap the group stages altogether, knockouts from the start?!
2012
So basically you want european football to abandon capitalism and the free market system and make every club have the same revenue so they can each only afford to sign and/or train the same quality/quantity of players and get equal chances of winning or losing against each other? Yeah good luck with that...
I am actually a fan of FCPorto and the time we won the champions league was definitely unexpected, although we had a pretty good team, but the others teams you talked about dortmund, ajax and marseille were not so much because they all had great teams when they did it. The problem i have with football nowadays is that it is always the same teams that get to have great teams like barcelona, real madrid, bayern munich, juventus, man city, psg, etc while in the past the clubs who won the champions league always had great teams but were more varied. Nowadays, any team that isn't a part of this group of teams that starts to gather some good players has to sell them one season later, which is what is going to happen to Ajax. Also the first time we won the champions league in 1987 we had a great team that would be impossible to make nowadays.
He's not wrong about the coefficient though.
Indeed. If he had focused on the coefficient alone, this video would have been a very valid critique.
Spurs see this video
Hold our Kane
Lucas
Moure up front
Off to the final
This is the champion league not a runners up league
Champions League but with 2nd, 3rd and 4th placed teams. Absolute bullshit. I did rather see the European Cup than UCL
I understand what you mean about 2nd/3rd/4th places teams ect... But would you rather watch the teams that finish in those places than watch the teams who win the league in Lithuania Hungary and Moldova? Or you suggest we watch a competition where the winners or Europe's top 8 leagues compete? because that'd be boring
@@DanLewis90 I like that Champions League format. But I want European Cup to maintain as first-tier competition. Then some kind of second-tier competition, maybe teams are picked like in Champions League, and also in group stage format. But for European Cup, I want them in group stage also, so other teams have chance to fight another team and do not end the competition so quick.
The European Cup are being made so each champion of EACH country in Europe can compete together in one competition (as there is word 'Europe' there). They don't take considerations of big clubs' and their fans' demand so much. It doesn't matter who are strong or weak, or how many goals to be conceded, or how many star players in that team. It is European Cup, every country should have chance to join the continent's competition. Other continents should do the same thing.
Nowadays, I see Champions League as a cash cow for elite clubs like Bayern, Man City, PSG, Juventus and Spain's Big 4. UCL has been known for match-fixing, especially that hot or cold balls. I see UCL as those aforementioned clubs' playground, rather than truly elite European's competition, which make it pretty bias towards other clubs.
These popular clubs' fans' power and big clubs' egoism have led to the existence of this cash cow. We wouldn't see any underdogs stories or surprising ending anymore. There is also financial imbalance between clubs, where big clubs earn more and more money while other clubs getting loss, until some of them went bankrupt or having high debt to be settled. Because of this financial imbalance, where big clubs have become out-numbered, they begin an idea to make European Super League, which is seperated from their national league and also any European Competitions.
If you guys really want your favourite teams to compete in European stage eventhough they are 2nd, 3rd and 4th placed, let that Champions League or any other names you want to become 2nd tier competition. For me, European Cup should be maintained until today. Let each country in Europe having a chance to represent in the big competition like these.
@@DanLewis90 when the money Gap was not as big, or is no Longer as big, clubs like Celtic, Feyenoord, PSV, Anderlecht, Marseille, Olympiacos, Zenit, Steaua, Benfica world be elite clubs.
who’s here after lyon and rb leipzig made the semifinals
I only came back here to see anyone was memeing this video hahaaha
Umm Bayern won,
I here after they both lose
An underdog reaches at least the semifinal almost every year.
@Sume Rossini because if they do, then they stop being an underdog. take for example Juventus who were an underdog in 2015 and reached the final and are now one of the strongest teams in football. another example is Atletico Madrid who have been on par with Real and Barca for quite a while ever since Simeone came.
Regardless of where you stand on the underdog controversy, 55% spread according to final place + 30% according to 10y ranking is pretty unfair! The EPL is also an "elitist" competition, but they have a much more fair distribution of the money, which makes the league more balanced and therefore sustainable in the long run, even with huge budget discrepancies like Man City's. Just look at the NBA, with some 50 years of financial success, also due to salary caps, drafts... US leagues as a hole (NHL, NFL, MLS) have very rich teams, but they also have that mentality of giving the mid ones a fighting chance, at least in theory.
Good points, Irlete! That's Ed's main argument, the money is not spread fairly. Could US sports serve as a model for European football...?
@@dwkickoff If not a model in and of itself, they certainly could learn a thing or two about how a league should "attempt" to level the playing field, i.e., taking Financial Fair Play Regulations way more seriously. And I emphasized the word "attempt", because it doesn't have to mean the end of dinasties for the bigger teams, as we're seeing on NBA's Warriors or NFL's Patriots. But at least you have rules in place not to further increase the abyss.
as a dutch person i'm not bored with the champions league this year but i totally agree with this video, ajax is doing amazing against elite clubs that aren't 100% right now, both real and bayern. Against a elite club that plays at their full potential even ajax has little to no chance. My Ajax heart is still hoping tho
Thanks for your message, Ruben. Good points! Amazing season so far for your team Ajax. Good luck in the next round!
though a lot of the points are not great, he has a point about the money. It has evolved into a game where the rich clubs don't need to worry about losing too often. Im a dortmund fan, and how i see it, even if we somehow managed to win the league one or two years like with klopp, bayern can afford to cash out on player after player until the fix what they need. You'd never see a lewandowski, or a kimmich at dortmund anymore since we don't have the financial backing, to hand out 250k a week contracts and sign 50 million euro players. Our money comes from feeding teams like bayern talent, think sancho being sold to Man U today, so we get some good players for a season and have to move on, instead of keeping a consistently fantastic squad like man city, madrid, bayern etc.
Well you could say the same thing about Leicester winning the Prem in 15/16. But we can clearly see that it is possible to win as a underdog so who knows in a couple of years someone like Napoli could win it
Not Napoli.
It’s funny how I watch this after Ajax beat both Real Madrid and Juventus and are facing Spurs in the semifinals 😂😂
Even if it means that teams like BVB, Schalke and Borussia Mönchengladbach are less competitive in the CL, I would never scrap the 50+1 rule. Unlike the EPL, the fans are the club in the Bundesliga and that's what makes the Bundesliga so special. The cheap ticket prices mean that the atmospheres are electric and games are accessible to families and younger fans. As the saying goes, EPL buys talent, the Bundesliga develops talent.
Go SC Freiburg! 🔴⚫
Very true, Hugh. There's a big reason why Germany has some of the best atmospheres in Europe - and that's 50+1.
Have you been to many Freiburg matches?
@@dwkickoff I haven't as of yet but I'm currently on Erasmus in Mulhouse in Alsace which is really close to Freiburg so hoping to get to one soon!
Nice one! The Schwarzwald-Stadion is a beautiful stadium, get there before they open the new one in 2020/21!
Exactly. Bundesliga is the best. One day i hope to see a game in the allianz arena
Do you support Bayern then, Juan?
This aged very well,Chelsea won the UCL a couple of weeks ago
They have a hell of a lot of money. What is your point? If Ferencvaros won, maybe you'd have a point.
@@bears9055 did anyone actually think they were gonna win it tho
@@bears9055 yes they have a lot of money but some of their players weren’t performing good
@@adrian5117 Even their players who were performing badly are better than Ferencvaros or Dynamo Kyiv players.
@@bears9055 yeah but u don’t expect players that been playing like shit to beat a club like Bayern,PSG or City
But real Madrid got a tough group last year.
Amartya choudhury tough for who? I’d say it was tougher for both Dortmund and Tottenham than it was for Real Madrid
@@PeterEhik but spurs topped the group last season
Amartya choudhury Liverpool should’ve won
@@antonyt3446 No they really shouldnt have, they got their shit out played
Also they got the toughest team on the way to the finals. PSG, Juventus, Bayern Munich and liverpool, all title contenders. It was their toughest UCL campaign. This year isn't so easy either.
Favre and the boys will do it
Talented team, definitely. But do you really think they've got what it takes to surprise the elite clubs, Kamui?
@@dwkickoffwell i wouldn't say they don't
Brett Favre?? 😄😄🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 🤠🐴
Dortmund can get to the Final if things click.
@@LeirkAnoras Lucien Favre the coach did i say something wrong :) ?
it isn't a vicious circle.... this is a joke according to me.... barcelona and real madrid winning the champions league in the last 5 years is because they have/had a world class squad with most of their players in their prime, like ronaldo messi xavi iniesta puyol ramos xabi alonso modric pique dani alves cassilas etc. apart from the fact, bayern too had a world class team when they won it. Just wait for 2-3 more season and let the core chunk of barca rma players get retired or get aged. The gap will clearly open up
Which clubs do you see emerging in the next 2-3 years, Harshal?
100% agree
DW Kick off! Weren’t u the one just saying that small teams have made spectacular runs also the big teams that won earned their spot people blame madird for pens and all but ya don’t talk about how wolfsburg blew a lead in 45 mins psg blowing a 4 goal lead and the fight to win yea sure they have an advantage but that doesn’t guarantee ur gonna win
Thanks. You're the only one stating the truth and not looking for extravagant excuses or paranoid conspiracies.
You realize they will replace their aging players with the next big stars right? Don’t be dumb
Real Madrid and Barcelona have been dominating for years that's why