Not sure the title is accurate tbh. The Bundesliga title race is beyond boring, absolutely agree. But the league itself boasts some of the most exciting, attacking football around. The Bundesliga games are NOT boring. But the title race, DEFINITELY boring.
I completely agree, the product on the pitch is very exciting with some great players, but the entire structure where one club runs over everyone else is the issue. We saw it in the video, when a huge club like Dortmund has to sell their best players to their competitor, and the TV money/sponsorship difference is just huge, no wonder.
If 50+1 falls who do you think will get the biggest owner? I'll give you a hint it won't be Bochum. The standings at the top will probably mostly stay the same and what do we as fans recieve? Higher ticket prices, more tourists than actual fans in the stadium, sports washing and all for as much CL titles as Man city or PSG have ... oh wait ...
it won't stay the same i'm not from germany but my favorite league is the bundesliga and as a consumer i want a better product that 50+1 rule is the worst thing in the world look i'm from bayern but i wish there was a decent team the only thing i what they do with that rule is to leave the teams bankrupt I want to be alive the day they remove that horrible 50 + 1 rule and we see a bundesliga with competition repeat with me make the bundesliga great again !!!!!
@@Alex-ce1os The richest investors go for the biggest clubs. Bayern would get the richest Investor. Dortmund Leipzig and Leverkusen will be behind. Not much will change except the fans will leave the stadium and youll have citys atmosphere in every game. Fuck sportswashing. Fuck Investors. Oil money ruined football
@@Alex-ce1os sorry but that's just wrong. The 50+1 rule is the most important rule in the Bundesliga if it falls it will become the same thing as the premier League or the MLS and loose everything that makes it unique. People from abroad might not realize but I as a fan don't care as much about the trophies and the star players as I care about my club and it's identity. And apart from that clubs like Freiburg and union Berlin and somehow even PSG and mancity show that money doesn't mean success and you can be successful without a lot of money.
The reason that Bayern came back with a vengeance in 2013 was not only Dortmund but also the lost CL final "dahoam" in 2012 against Chelsea. The entire 2012/13 season was one big vengeance trip and it was glorious. Also, Bayern had several times over the last 10 years where they were really struggling in the League and at one point Dortmund was even ahead by 9 points, but still they squandered their lead. It's not only that Bayern is good, other clubs also do not capitalize on Bayern's mistakes - and they *do* make mistakes.
Liverpool with Klopp did this in 2019 after losing the UCL Final the last year to Real Madrid, but not after the infamous Mohamed Salah's injury and Karius' humiliation. They were also so close to win the Premier League, but managed to claim it the very next year during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Bit of a myth there, yes they make mistakes but in the past decade Bayern making mistakes has changed from having a cold stretch of several games, maybe even having a down year, to maybe losing/drawing a game or two that they shouldn't. Only time the Championship was close in the past decade they still had 78 points at the end and Dortmund had 76. Other clubs have to be perfect themselves to cash in on Bayern "mistakes" nowadays and no one is. And to be honest as a non-Dortmund fan I wouldn't consider Bayern and Dortmund switching places every year that exciting either.
@@HDreamer Not a myth at all, pure facts. The season with Kovac as coach was a disaster and Dortmund should have taken the title there. And yes, two teams fighting for the title is not that exciting either, but Leverkusen and Leipzig are doing a great job and got some great people in their squads and kept many key players. Who knows what will happen in the future. No run lasts forever, but the way the CL is structured makes it so that people who play CL and who go far in CL have so much more money than all the others that it will be very difficult to challenge them. This is only getting worse with the CL reform for 2024.
@@MrReese Again it needed Dortmund to be perfect to beat Bayern and it's just one season anyway, in that "disastrous" season Bayern still had 78 points and won the Cup too. Only reason it's considered sub-par is because Bayern has been dominant every other year and they lost early in CL, not making the final eight. Even when he was sacked a season later he had a 5-3-2 record and perfect in Cup and in CL. Slow start for Bayern, but a solid to great start for any other club. Kovac just didn't have the flair to be in charge at Bayern long-term. His approach to the game doesn't fit what Bayern wants to be either, but even all that couldn't diminish the talent gap between Bayern and the other clubs all that much. I fear the money difference is just too big now and it will just continue to grow. Maybe they will slip up once and allow Leipzig or Dortmund a title in between, but it won't go back to the early 2000s or dare I dream the early 90s when we had 3 teams having a chance to win it on the final day and Bayern wasn't even one of them. In the 90s they only won 4 out of 10, that was a good time. 00s 6/10 10s 8/10 20s 3/3 Bayern isn't to blame for doing a great job of course, after all other clubs demonstrate how to waste money every year (Hi Hertha), but the system is totally broken thanks to CL money. (and of course Bayerns prestige means they get better players for similar money than other german clubs)
What ruined the Bundesliga and All other leagues is the CL. Its sad. I say that as a lifelong FCB fan. The 50+1 rule is an interesting case. But it is what makes the Bundesliga affordable. It makes the clubs have real fans and not only rich ones. If the 50+1 rule should fall, the should be strict and longlasting investments needed. No rich man toys in the Bundesliga pls.
Ok, that's cool. Im a life long bayern fan and I genuinly want dortmund to win it. I will trade a UCL for 5 bundesliga titles in a heart beat. Whoever says bayerns at fault is wrong, we are the only reason why 4 german teams make it. Dortmund used to be neck and neck with bayern and they fumbled it.
One thing that is very interesting in the video, I didnt realize the scale of TV revenue for Bayern Munich was so huge in contrast to other clubs. You can take a look at a successful example in American football (NFL) where a small town like Green Bay can compete with huge cities like New York and Los Angeles, because the TV revenue they all get is exactly the same.
@@dwkickoff Sharing TV revenues equally will never happen in the Bundesliga, the Spanish Primera División or any of the other top leagues because the major clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, etc, always claim that, "Because of us, we put the fannies in the seats and the eyeballs glued to the television screens!"
@@charlesray9674 Champions League is the same... Year after is boring and boring, always the same clubs on the latest stages, always the same 4 countries, always the same players... and these clubs still want more money, more revenues, more and more... And UEFA has always agreed with that. Let them make a competition for them like Florentino wants... I wanna see more winners and teams from Greece, Turkey, Portugal, The Netherlands, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, France, even Italy... Or what happen to teams like Coruna, Valencia, Lazio, Naples, Arsenal, etc... that got underdogged by Madrid/Barcelona, Juventus, City/Liverpool... Even in the late 80's and 90's we had teams like Marseille, Porto, Benfica, Steaua, Dinamo Kiev, Ajax, Rosenborg winning or in the late stages of UCL.. Now is all this boredom.
DFB doesn't let 50+1 rule scrap, even Sheffield United earned more when they were in PL than Bayern and these are the source that keeps Bayern rich than other. They worked on merchandising, expanding their models. Yes I agree that they BOUGHT and NOT LOOTED Dortmund but what is Dortmund doing to other clubs ? Same thing! Nico Schlotterbeck, Ozcan etc. Bayern had the same rules that other clubs had. Bayern has no foreign investors still it has more UCL than PSG and man city , it shows that BAYERN WERE AND ARE SIMPLY TOO GOOD IN TERMS OF PLANING. Tbh Bayern won't care if 50+1 rule gets scrapped , Bayern will lose one or two league in 5 years after scrapping still Germans will respect Bayern more than others.
It’s not just the nfl, in other European leagues namely the premier league the broadcasting revenue is also spread more evenly than in the Bundesliga. An argument for the way it is that you hear here often is that this way, the top dogs (so mainly Bayern) are able to remain competitive in Europe against the teams that aren’t held back by 50+1 (namely those w/ insane investment) but tbh, I don’t think that’s necessary anymore and especially during corona there should have been considerations to spread it more evenly since all clubs were suffering under part of their income (the stadiums) being gone which lead to clubs like Köln being in big trouble (and Bayern relies much less on those incomes since they have bigger sponsorships, get money through performance in the champions league etc.)
I think Bayern's dominance is mainly because of its financial situation. The club has zero debts, owns the stadium, no silly unaffordable transfers. financially, it is an immaculate club.
That, plus the fact that other clubs fail to seal the deal. Even when Bayern is behind in the middle of the season, in recent years the clubs ahead of Bayern fail to capitalize on it and eventually fall behind again.
Zero dept? Did you read their financial report? 😂 Ofcourse no silly unaffordable transfer since they were just buy cheap player that has good prospect from other german team and make them worse. Just like they did to dortmund by buying Gotze. No wonder, their logo from 1938 to 1945 say it all..
Zero dept? Did you read their financial report? 😂 Ofcourse no silly unaffordable transfer since they were just buy cheap player that has good prospect from other german team and make them worse. Just like they did to dortmund by buying Gotze. No wonder, their logo from 1938 to 1945 say it all..
Lol Bayern’s Top Individuals were the People who activelly spoke to scrap the 50+1 rules And to be fair, Bayern (the whole Club, including the Boards and Fans) are very supportive to German Football in Europe Stage. As a Bayern Fan, i will always support Dortmund if They againts any other European Teams. And will Support Them in the Entire Tournament if Bayern already Knocked Out, look Frankfurt for example, everyone in Germany Support Them
@@dandyphotobrother That's the Beauty of this League. You will never see any EPL or Spanish team helping teams which are on verge of Bankruptcy. But Bayern do that on regular basis. Heck even they loaned money to Dortmund and many clubs. Imagine City or PSG doing that to smaller clubs with the Unlimited money back up, but problem is they will never do that. Bundesliga's football culture is different. Many Germans don't like Bayern for Bavaria region and the monopoly of the league but Believe me in 2020 whole Germany even RB leipzig fans also Supported Bayern rather than a OIL MONEY Club.
it's not about marketing. premier league decided to share tv money, which is not done in any other european league. i live in serbia. i don't know any person who follows any german club as first choice.
The league needs fixing. Dortmund is not even a rival to bayern at this point and the Derby against schalke isn't the same anymore since schalke got relegated 😪 we need to do something as fans
Hamburg(2nd tier),schalke, stuttgart, and frankfurt really need big investments. Stop this nonsense of rules 50+1!!! Trust me Buyern will conquer the league until the judgement day comes.
The Bundesliga is definitely more capable of surprising than people think. People used to say Lewandowski and Haaland were in Farmer's league, now they're tearing it up in La Liga and Premier League.
American FC Union Berlin fan here. I found my favorite German club by trying to find my way back to my rental home while buzzed and ended up in front of Stadion An der Alten Försterei almost a decade ago and Now I’m just happy to see them thriving
@@JiTiAr35 that's my point. The video supposed to show that Bayern have made the bundesliga boring. But the video ended up showing just how great they are in planning and orginizing. At least that's my takeaway from this video.
What a terrible conclusion to think that german football fans with 50+1 and dortmund are supposed to be the problem. it's not like the whole system plays into bayerns cards. the money distribution, especially the ones coming from the CL is clearly in bayerns favor. the rich are getting richer the poor are getting poorer.
Its not like the state of English Clubs is worse? Look at how bad it is at clubs like Derby County. Or Bury FC, which doesen't exist anymore. Its almost certain that 5-6 clubs in the Top-4 divisions of English football won't exist by 2030
@@UpShir67 50+1 rule goes and all investors will go after Bayern because they are the best investment and Bayern will stay at top and become much richer in the process. But I honestly believe Bayern will trip and stumble in the near future and allow another team to win the league similar to Juventus, where they would easily complete the double and reach UCL semi or Finals, they've suffered early DFb Pokal knockouts and gone out in the cl quarter finals recently. 2020 was an anomaly, Flick was a hidden gem and led them to a sextuple.
I remember around 2004, I was 6 yrs old and I think Werder Bremen won the title that season...I began following Bundesliga a bit at that time, guys like Diego, Kuranyi, Podolski and Ballack were very good. I also remember Wolfsburg winning in 09. Old times. At that time Lyon was dominating France and Inter in Italy so Germany had the best variation of Champions Even Serie A and Ligue 1 have had some variety in the last decade amidst domination from Juve and PSG. But in Germany, always Bayern. The league has become Laughably One sided and is generally seen as trash by all fans outside Germany
Every league has only a few teams to win it...man city will dominate the prem just like Bayern is in Germany, but I bet delusional Englisch Fans will still tell you it's the best league in the world and soooo exciting
Blaming the 50+1 rule is a joke. Shalke had a sugar daddy who poured money on the club despite the 50+1, they simply spent poorly. The same applies to Hertha. Their sugar daddy spent €350 million and they barely avoided relegation. Leverkusen and Wolfsburg are owned by two of the most successful corporations in the world and even though Vile Energy Drink FC technically follow 50+1 the football authorities have let them flout it in such a way that they are in fact a company owned team. Nothing stops any of those companies from opening their purses and spending. The people responsible for making the Bundesliga boring are the presidents and the chairmen of the clubs. They behave as if it is 1963. I live in a city with an MLS franchise. That team has played 4 exhibition/friendlies against Premiere league clubs since 2000. Bundesliga clubs almost never come to the US unless it is to play in these phony ICC tournaments and that is only Bayern. I have sent emails and Tweets to Dortmund begging Dortmund to come to the US especially the Midwest where there are tons of German Americans with their German American clubs and music societies. Instead they go to Dubai. Bayern opened an office in the US several years ago. The man in charge of the office was interviewed on a podcast. His job was in a nutshell to build the Bayern brand in the US. Has any other club opened a US office? I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure they haven’t. Money keeps Bayern ahead but their forward thinking doesn’t hurt.
True. But you have to spend wisely. Just buying "name" players rarely elevate team play. Tactics and good coaching can elevate clubs to play way over their heads like Dortmund did ten years ago. I became a fan of German football because it used to have to have Soccer in Germany in 70s and 80s (broadcasting weekly matches in the states). Very shortsighted of those German clubs for not building their brand in the US 😔 Bayern was my favorite club because Franz played for the original Cosmos club and he used to play for them. But to be fair, the English (maybe not manu), Spanish and Italian teams also failed to take advantage of the market here. 🤬
There is two sides of 50+1 Rule. Where it is a big obstacle to get foreign Investors but It also work as a shield to fans. Just compare the ticket prices of bundesliga compared to other leagues, Bundesliga is the most cheapest league to enjoy football. So I am really skeptical what will happen to the Fan culture of this league if 50+1 rule got abolish. You know what is the Biggest fan owned club in EPL? It's portsmouth. Fiddling with 4th and 3rd division. That's the problem of the foreign investors, your club's Identity will die. Just read about what happed to Bury FC and One of the oldest club in India-Mohun Bagan.
@@luminousdreams8405 I will never get the supposed loss of club and fan identity. You rather have a historic club from the 3rd or 4th division die out due to lack of funding and a broken stadium..rather than get foreign investment. Not all clubs lose their identity.....not if the local grassroots supporters are behind the club......a club with any sort of legacy will withstand the cons of having "foreign investment".
@@myownlilbubble It‘s not that difficult to get. If more than 50% is owned by the club, fans remain to have a voice in what is happening behind the scenes. Abolishing 50+1 is taking power away from the many to a select few. We can perfectly see that in England with MK Dons, how this can turn out. Germans rather have no international recognition than losing their pillar of the community to a sheik, Russian oil baron or an international real estate mogul.
@@myownlilbubble Portsmouth's present status in English league system is not a testimony to the inefficiency of fan ownership but to what can happen under the private ditto: th-cam.com/video/1sf_yzQzqUI/w-d-xo.html
When most people are not able to watch the Bundesliga without paying 30 Euro per month, instead have only 5 minute snippet videos on youtube why would anybody care anymore how many times Bayern will be Meister?
@@jamesmichaels4979 £90 to watch premier League is huge. In romania, currently the prices are way much lower for premier league, you don't get all matches, only the big teams.
Klopp was last non bayern manager to win Bundesliga. Since then he quit Dortmund, joined Liverpool.. Won EPL, Champions League, League Cup, FA Cup, Uefa super Cup, Club World Cup, community Shield.. But no manager in Germany was able to beat Bayern in the league
Not just league and cups but also losing final to that Chelsea team in front of their own supporters and in their home made them inevitable too because they were trying to win their next champion league for so many years and winning against Dortmund was so important because of what happened to them previously........ And If we fix Bayern at the top then rest of league is still so competitive even small clubs like augsburg and union Berlin had played in Europe and bigger clubs like Schalke and Hamburg got relegated from Bundesliga. predicting PL's top 7 is easier than predicting Bundesliga's top seven......
“Dortmund escaped bankruptcy and shocked the world” it sounds great when you say it like it’s a fairy tale but Bayern were actually the ones who saved Dortmund from bankruptcy. Stop painting Bayern as a big bad wolf in Germany. I honestly admire their mentality and relentlessness. Players and managers have come and gone + new CEO now, yet the mentality has no been shaken. Juventus won the Serie A 9 times in a row before Ronaldo came, and no one bats an eye. So yes, I admire Bayern’s mentality, ruthlessness, and cut-throat execution. They are the epitome of discipline and class.
Juve also won the League twice with Ronaldo but ofcourse your agenda against him has to make sure that you paint him a villain and put Juve’s boring tactics, lack of investment and decline on Ronaldo.
El Bayern salvó al Dortmund? 🤡🤡🤡 Deberías informarte mejor. El Bayern solo le prestó 2 millones. Con esa cifra no salvas nada. El presidente del Dortmund realizó más gestiones para conseguir fondos.
It's already been 10 years, damn. Way to make me feel old. I still remember how unrealistic my friends and me found football manager. As if you could get 7 consecutive League titles. Now reality has surpassed video games.
Excellent short documentary DW, as a long life Bayern fan since I got memory it is very interesting everything that was mentioned in the video. Bayern mentality is to be the best, win every match and break records. As many in the comments say, and I can’t object, is that the Bundesliga has become a little too predictable about who is going to win it but the fights for the UCL/Europa league/ relegation spots and even the mid table is very exiting. I love watching the underdogs perform well and seeing how many young stars develop at the beginning of their careers. Because again, I think that The Bundesliga has become a seedbed of many top class players that now play or have played for top clubs that have received this financial aid (which is extremely important specially now after the pandemic that have left many German clubs weakened, it would be interesting to see foreign investing in case they delete the 50+1 rule). Finally to not make my comment long and boring, until this day I keep and will keep enjoying watching week after week the great and entertaining German football where I know something’s I ain’t gonna miss are exciting goals and lots of fun! MIA SAN MIA. Thanks again DW for this great information! (Sorry for my English mistakes, not my first language)
I loved Dortmund. As a Japanese American, I followed Kagawa-san's career eagerly. Never imagined it would introduce me to one of the most exciting clubs of the early 2010's. It's such a shame what has happened in the years since. I still enjoy watching individual Bundesliga matches, but following the league and the title race no longer holds the appeal it once did.
For me the real wakeup call was a 0:4 against St. Petersburg in the uefa cup. Because it showed them that there were not able to compete on a high level in europe anymore. Not even in the uefa cup. So they wanted big changes. Klinsmann was their first try. Then came Van Gaal who build the tactical foundation. The reached the cl final in 2010 for the first time since 2001. Van Gaal also made thomas mueller a star. He turnt Schweinsteiger into a defensive midfielder and in general worked very closely with youth trainer hermann gerland who trained lahm, alaba, mueller, schweinsteiger, kroos, badstuber etc. And of course robben joined the club that year to form a devastating attack team with ribery.
I feel like I was sold a false bill of goods - I got into the Bundesliga around 2010, back when I was taking German classes and looking for a more interesting alternative to the Premier League. I thought the good times would never end 😿 But I nonetheless continue to pay an obscene amount of money for the Bundesliga television package here in Canada, if only to do my part for the foreign TV revenue that German football so desperately needs 🙃
As much as we blame Bayern for destroying competition by buying the star players of their competitors, they at least grew into a giant club organically and smartly which the rest of the Bundesliga can learn from. 😬Germany's capital city club (Hertha, not Union Berlin) have been mismanaged, Germany's second-city club HSV have become dinosaurs living in the past whereas Dortmund are bottlers. Until these clubs fulfil their potential, Bayern will continue to keep the trophies.
As long as the 50+1 rule exists, I predict another decade of Bayern Munich Dominance. Money plays a huge role in modern football whether one likes it or not.
This is exactly how I feel about LaLiga. It’s a 3 team race every single year. In the past 20 years only 4 clubs have won la Liga one of them being Valencia. This is an anomaly but every years it’s between Barca Real and Athletico it’s extremely boring. Imagine being a fan of another club like Sevilla and living your entire life and never seeing a single title
The story goes far more back to the early 70's. Bayern got the biggest stadium (Olympia) for free and could earn more money than anyone else in this time. Which was the major source of income.
You know that bayern rented the stadium for 4,5 million a year just like berlin with their olympia stadium and most of the stadiums were pretty much on the same standarts because of the worldcup in germany and before that the average viewers in the stadium were 17k so a bigger stadium doesnt have any pros for you
1860 Munich gets the same Olympiastadion 50 years ago and pay the same rent like Bayern. 50 years ago 1860 was the big Club in Munich and not Bayern. Now 1860 plays unimportant in the 3. Liga and Bayern is the No.1 of Europe. Who have the better requirements 50 years ago? Right, 1860 Munich. For the World Cup 1974 all the big Clubs like Hamburger SV, Dortmund, Schalke, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Berlin, etc. become big money for renovation for there most private stadiums from the german tax payers. Each round about 200 Mio.€ purchasing power today. But not Munich, they have the new Olympiastadion and gets nothing. This Olympiastadion was not pay by german tax payers. It was funded by a lottery and Olympia collectors coins. The highest rent for there stadium pays Bayern an 1860 at this time. Also some of the fresh renovated stadium where private property of the clubs. This Clubs pays nothing for decades. Next point the Bundesliga at this times have a bad stadium occupancy, maybe at 50-60% because of the big money leagues in Italy in the 80ties and Spain in the 90ties where all the stars plays. All the Clubs struggle because of the oversize stadiums at this time, because you have to pay rent or operating costs for a 60.000-70.000 stadium. The stadium occupancy become bigger when the Italian and Spanish leagues starts to struggle end of the last century. Next fun fact, for the next World Cup in Germany 2006 it was similar. Bayern have build there own stadium before and the other big clubs become the next time german tax money present for renovations.
Back in the 70s or so they got the olympicsstadium. A massive stadium that most other clubs couldnt afford for basically free. And that in a time when ticketsales was the main source of income. Surely not the only reason but it built the foundation for their reign
Im sure Bayern will fall from no.1 place bc I agree nothing is forever. But I think they will stay at the top. Bayerns bosses don’t seem stupid enough to make Bayern collapse to the ground
for sure Bayern will lose the title race in some seasons. Saying nothing is forever in this case is just dumb 😂 If you roll a dice endlessly, it will definitely end up on 1
As a life-long Schalke fan, seeing them relegated was at first devestating. But after watching the competition and excitment in 2. Bundesliga, there's a bit of sadness we are back in the Bundesliga. Bayern already rocked Frankfurt 6-1, a strong club who are Europa League champions. Frankfurt had a much less embarrasing scoreline today, only losing 2-0 to Champions League winners Real. Bayern poach the best German talents, from Dortmund, previously from Schalke. I hope this titan falls, it would be a great improvement. As for 50+1, it should stay, Buyern will hit a string of wrong moves like any big club previously thought to be untouchable (a la AC Milan, Man United, Barcelona).
I agree with you on everything accept the last line: Milan's mistake was selling all their mature players and keeping only kids, add the fact that Berlusconi had a lot of problems in his personal life. Plus Italians spend almost nothing in developing their league/stadiums etc Man Utd is a brand nowadays, they have American owners who don't even understand the offside rule, it is business for them. Barcelona: bartomeu...
Good luck hoping for that. Bayern is well managed, unlike Milan, United and Barcelona. 50+1 rule falling and some investment group putting massive money in a rival club is the only chance bundesliga has to become watchable ever again. Germans need to stop with that stupid socialist bullshit in football. The game is about numbers, Bayern destroyed everybody else in this. Now you need outside investors to balance things. If it wasn't for that stupid 50+1 rule, Bundesliga would be the best league on the planet, because of how rich Germany is and how traditional football is there.
You know the problem with you guys..you are waiting for Bayern to fall, you are not brave enough to compete with Bayern. That is a shame for you and your football club. First realise that... Bayern is a great club running with pride and carrying German mentality amongst many money minded clubs in Europe.
Last couple of years Dortmund had Haaland and a bunch of other good players they still couldn't build a team that could compete. It's not all on Bayern... And of course we would have Klinsmann, Mr "not having a clue about football" as a national team coach :)
That statement about Klisnmann is wrong. He has no clue about tactics and team management but he was good as a player. At least he knew what to do inside the pitch.
“When a bored looking Manuel Neuer recently lifted the trophy…” This is one of multiple unnecessary comments in this video. Stop trying to make it sound as boring as possible with your subjectivity, it’s honestly annoying. You can state facts without adding such useless comments. You are trying so hard to make it sound extra boring and make Bayern themselves sound bored of it, it’s embarrassing.
Fantastic presenter! Great production values! DW Kick off is the best. I only wish they would do it all in German with local subtitles so that I could learn more German while following a sport I love. Mach weiter so!
The "fall" already happened. Bayern under Ancelotti and Kovac was weak and beatable. Lost some confidence and had inroom fighting or atleast disagreements. Dortmund failed to capitalize on that and in came Flick, Brazzo grew as manager and Kahn took over and Bayern was the unbreakable machine again. Its also Dortmunds fault to some part. They took to a system after 2013 in which they brought in a lot of young players and sold them on for profit. Its great and you love to see them as a talent factory in europe and it brought them some success but if you want to compete for titles you need consistency and form a great squad over years that can challenge Bayern as soon as they struggle. In 18/19 they fell off because they had to many young players with not enough mentality that could challenge thoruhg difficult times after losing the no 1 spot in Germany again after the winter break. I kinda hope that it's the way they are going now. Schlotterbeck, Süle, Adeyemi and Haller seem like players to me that they brought in to stay and form a squad around with Terzic as coach. There are some players like Bellingham and maybe Reyna that I think will leave for a nice sum in the future but my hope driven view of BVB is that they have players they can build a stable core around that wont leave for the first big club offer. Dembele and Haland were great transfers but it was clear from the start that they would come for a short time and then leave for a big sum. Right now Bayern is a machine and I genuinly believe only Liverpool and ManCity would be capable of beating them in a league challenge (Madrid is a cup team, dont think they could compete over a league season). Investor are also not the golden child that they are believed they are. So far many investors have failed in german football eg Hertha, TSV 1860 München, Uerdingen, HSV. Even internationally if you look at ManUtd or Arsenal investors don't always do good. Liverpool before the current owners was the same. Id rather have a boring Bundesliga then Clubs selling their soul to investors. I think German Football has to find a way to attract investors and money without giving up the clubs identities.
I agree with you that Dortmund failed to capitalized as Bayern were having their little issue, but i dont think 18/19 season lost wasn't just because of young players because them players that made the championship and the double back in 2012 weren't older. I think Dortmund were also having their little issues internally, it was just not known on the outside, i guess they're as less Hollywood as Bayern can be sometimes.
Agreed with all the statements, But Some key points are- 1. Lewa was a free transfer. It was not Bayern's fault that dortmund can't manage their player to give him a new and better contract also Hummels was bayern's academy product. So Raid probably a big term because Dortmund got sebastian rode,niklas sule too from bayern. 2.She Didn't mention One thing that Dortmund actually buy more bundesliga Players than Bayern. Look at their transfer and current roster, you will understand. 3.There is two sides of 50+1 Rule. Where it is a big obstacle to get foreign Investors but It also work as a shield to fans. Just compare the ticket prices of bundesliga compared to other leagues, Bundesliga is the most cheapest league to enjoy football. So I am really skeptical what will happen to the Fan culture of this league if 50+1 rule got abolish. 4.You know what is the Biggest fan owned club in EPL? It's portsmouth. Fiddling with 4th and 3rd division. That's the problem of the foreign investors, your club's Identity will die. Just read about what happed to Bury FC and One of the oldest club in India-Mohun Bagan.
I agree with most of your points but did you just seriously compare the moves of Götze, Lewandowski, Hummels to Rode and Süle? Bayern took three key players while Dortmund took a bench player and a centre back who wasn't a consistent starter.
@@elsharkone7 I am not comparing, I am just stating that transfer between clubs are very normal in Bundesliga. It was Dortmund's management fault that they failed to retain Lewandowski. Lewandowski wanted more wage,they refused. He completed the contract and came to Bayern as a Free transfer. Hummels was Academy player of Bayern. He had many interviews where he stated he wanted to prove his worth at Bayern so his stint was inevitable. The only transfer was REALLY wrong was Gotze. When pep was initially talking with Bayern came he wanted Neymar in 2014. Uli hoeness was to stubborn to buy neymar because he don't like him(For obvious reasons) so he gave pep Gotze as replacement. That too buy triggering the release clause. But for me the biggest absurdity was the timing. It was before the 2013 CL final. For that reason I will never forgive Bayern for the transfer. It broke the will of Dortmund in final. But nevertheless Bayern is very much needed in this Business oriented football right now. Probably the only club who still play charity football matches with the clubs who are facing bankruptcy. Bayern help small teams in lower division and Many times loaned out money to Bundesliga teams-Even dortmund too. I can't even imagine PSG,CITY or Chelsea with Unlimited funds can do this to keep up the football culture. Bayern more over bundesliga clubs are only doing this.
When I read the man that made the Bundesliga boring I thought of Drogba because instead of Dortmund the decisive event was the CL loss and the other things just made it worse
I hate Bayern and also admire them because, like it or not, they have built an amazing club. I think they are less to blame for their dominance of the Bundesliga than the big money clubs who don't really want to compete with them. Hoffenheim is backed by SAP, Leverkusen by Bayer, Wolfsburg by VW, etc. so there would be plenty of money for some clubs to really compete. The problem is that they don't want to.
I have to say, Kamilla is brilliant at telling a story. I didn't think I was going to watch the whole thihng, I wanted to watch the intro and then skio to the end to know who's to blame... But she commands attention and in the end, I wanted her to continue telling the story and didn't care so much about knowing who made it boring. Brilliant video!
she nails it a brilliant video honest and gets to the point. Bayern went brutal and took dormunds big three and made it clear to dortmund never to step on their turf again. it was huge move that ripped th heart out german compeititon and warned the rest of the league not dare try and win the league again
Bringing the point of Bayern "looting" bvb players while bvb has sold around 15 of their star players abroad and only 2 to Bayern has become an annoying joke.
Don't get me wrong, but it's always a pity to realize how some people are linking interest for a league only to "who will win the title". It's just like those who can't enjoy a movie if the end doesn't fit what they want. If you really love football and follow every Bundesliga matchday, you will find out that Bayern, just like any other teams, can be surprised by some underdog and have to fight hard to win... and sometimes they failed, despite all odds. Also, stop complaining about Bayern getting other BL teams' stars... Where do you think they would go if their current teams can't match their salary demands? No, they wouldn't put loyalty above money. Yes, they would just go to another league... I doubt BL would gain anything by this.
@@jojoohyeah4761 No, EPL is bigger for many, many other reasons. The biggest being the language dominance and the attraction of bigger wages. If EPL was more successful because more competitive, teams like Arsenal, Tottenham and other eternal runners up wouldn’t have any fan base anyway. Smaller (and less successful) clubs still have supporters because there’s still real football fans who love watching great games and not only plastic fans who can only support their teams when they win.
@@rafekatchadorian465 I don’t agree, this logic is valid for those who enjoy football only for betting… Unable to enjoy the sport, just focusing on the final result.
@@ericfrechette5569 think about it, if real Madrid had won the CL furthermore the year after 2018 it would no longer be that big of a prestige and an attraction to win it, cause when you're organizing a league every position has to have some competitors and every now and then there's gotta be some ups and downs more or less, so 10 years is a long long time for a single club to take home the trophy, soon enough it's gonna be a Mickey mouse cup. Now don't get me wrong Bayern are a great team they can only take what's in front of them, I'm blaming it more on the association not changing the league's dynamics. i can't deem it exciting just because of that, it's not just about betting, it doesn't look a competitive league that you claim it is when Bayern can dominate the top for so long now.
La liga will overtake the bundesliga as they have copied the Premier league in terms of equal distribution of the TV money. Make it level playing field and you will get tighter games. First game back and bayern won 6-1 with no striker. League is over already.
The sad thing is that all the smaller clubs are supporting the 50%+1 share rule, which is kind of noble, but on the other hand the only thing they gain is keeping in their hands their own misery...It is sad that the world is waiting August 5th for Premier League but has no idea when the Bundesliga will start. Another issue that must be tackled is the fact that East Germany exists in few places in Germany and football and Bundesliga is one of them. Greetings from Athens Greece and keep up the amazing work DW Team!
Smaller clubs support that rule because they know no one is going to buy them. If abolished big clubs are going to be bought and the gap will increase.
And what is gonna happen then? The big clubs will become richer and richer. Sure a team like Bremen or Schalke could become a big club but what else? The smaller teams would die a slow death like Bury FC for example because no one would buy them. It may sacrifice competitiveness but it keeps the spirit of actual football alive
There is two sides of 50+1 Rule. Where it is a big obstacle to get foreign Investors but It also work as a shield to fans. Just compare the ticket prices of bundesliga compared to other leagues, Bundesliga is the most cheapest league to enjoy football. So I am really skeptical what will happen to the Fan culture of this league if 50+1 rule got abolish. You know what is the Biggest fan owned club in EPL? It's portsmouth. Fiddling with 4th and 3rd division. That's the problem of the foreign investors, your club's Identity will die. Just read about what happed to Bury FC and One of the oldest club in India-Mohun Bagan.
There’s nothing sad about it, they just place their priorities elsewhere. Most of them want their teams to remain THEIR teams, not some billionaire’s plaything… and they’re quite right. Maybe that’s strange for someone who have no idea what it is to cheer for a club that belongs to their fans as much as their fans belong to it. Still, just look at them when they are playing against Bayern, a single goal is a reason to cheer, a good play is enough too, just because THEIR boys are facing that big world class team, not some mercenaries hired by an rich oil cheikh or oligarchs…
Back in the day there was an unwritten rule that a team could only achieve three titles in a row. In the fourth year another won. It was either the biggest rival of Bayern or a surprise champion like werder 2004, Stuttgart 2007 or Wolfsburg 2009
In my opinion In term of play style everytime I watch bundleslige it's amazing how good and unique it feels each team play. But in term of competitiveness, wtf is going here.
That 50+1 rule sounds good actually… The problem apparently lies more with the _other_ rules that allow Bayern to walk all over the league. Qatar buying off PSG did not make the French League less boring lol. Though at least PSG has the curtesy to lose the title once in a while.
you've hit the nail on the head. The purpose of videos like this is to abolish fan ownership, so a Rich oligarch can come in and start making money with the club, buy raising prices. Just looking at the smug presenter, its not hard to imagine her chasing the peasants away from a stadium and shouting " don't come back until you have the money!". She's basically making the argument that the Proles are to blame for a single club winning year after year.
@@darrelldadams The narrative that Bayern "makes it boring" yet Dortmund or another club winning multiple in a row is somehow good for the league? Most of the people who cry about this are just haters of Bayern, they don't care about the league.
The 50+1 rule saved the Bundesliga from selling its soul like the Premier League did. Even if the title race is boring (for now) the German football culture is still alive, the tickets are affordable for everyone and the atmosphere is fantastic. I prefer that over spending a fortune to sit in a quiet English stadium with Asian tourists.
@@nikolatomic5287 Of course i am aware. And no, TV is not more important. Football culture is way more than what happens on the pitch. People who only know football from TV wont understand that.
@@nikolatomic5287 nope. I'm Indian so I'm into democracy. I just don't like clubs directly relying on the money of it's owner instead of using smart tactics to strengthen the squad. Like Bayern usually poch there direct rivals in Bundesliga
As much I agree that Bayern winning all the time make it less exciting especially to international fan, the league is still very exciting to watch and affordable to every men and women. Getting good players from competitors is hard to fix problem with all the money Bayern have compared to other clubs and that is also not their fault either they are just smarter in the beginning. Other clubs need to play catch up.
Schalke had indeed received money from Gazprom, (much more than they deserved by market standards) didn’t save them from relegation. Also, probably majority of German Football fans would rather watch Bayern dominance, than get rid of 50+1 Rule. Hoffenfaim and Red Bull Leipzig are as hated as Bayern.
@@dwkickoff for international viewers.....knowin Bayern will win the salad silver plate right off the bat from the first league game ..is not that exciting. When bayern get 3 or 4 or 5 goals by Lewy....in so many matches...it make one wonder...how terrible are their opponents defences? Oliver Kahn would be vomitting blood if that was his team.... People wake up at 3am or 4am on the other side of the world for their favourite PL team...even if it is shitty manU....because they want to see teams like manC or Chelsea to get off their perch.... even for Liverpool to try to challenge these so called oil clubs or olgi clubs or beat arch rivals in manU or their derby rivals in everton.......or just challenge the used to be great club with history like Arsenal with their Invincibles days.......even spursy with the whole no trophy running joke Even the usual laliga suspects rm vs barca.....and the crazy antics of simeone in Atletico.... BL fans can claimed that BL is the best league all they want....and it could very well be...but in terms of broadcasting reach..EPL will always be number 1 and manU under SAF truly marketed their team and cemented their brand and along it...the EPL in the global market.
Greatness of Klopp. The only reason winning the league was a one time thing in both leagues is that Bayern and City who are financially dominant in their leagues responded by bringing in more players and creating greater squad depth which both BvB and Liverpool simply can't match.
Both underdog teams that's why I support both, I just hope Klopp can at least give another PL title to Liverpool again like how he gave Dortmund 2 Bundesliga titles
after 10 long years, I'm now a premier league fan. I don't care whether people call me plastic or not. I'm done with Bundesliga. I'm frustrated just like Lewandowski. It's too boring to watch the beautiful game knowing which team is gonna win for sure. No matter how much quality the second placed team has, Bayern are going to win the title for the next 20 years or who knows, even more? Bundesliga games are beautiful and unpredictable, but Bayern destroys the party. RIP Bundesliga
Mate...lewy went to laliga barca to get his balon dor......laliga is between rm and barca mainly for the international viewers........kept harping about el classicos revival or wanting cr7 back at rm and messi at barca ...what a joke.... Serie A and PL are the one to watch for footy ....for now at least.
Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. What's the point of watching a league if you already know who will win at the beginning of the season? The drama and uncertainty is what makes premier league far more interesting, down to the last game of the season. Not just the race of the top clubs. I had a lot of fun watching the relegation drama last season.
I wasn't expecting to see a video about this, but this shows I'm not the only one who thought this. Some months ago, my 7 year old son was asking me about every league in Europe and wanted to know about which teams won in the past. When we got to Germany and I saw that Bayern had won 10 times in a row I said that it's not worth watching it, because you'll know who will the title in the end. Yes. It's boring. And I live in Canada.
The advantage of Bayern was and is the good recruiting and the "Festgeldkonto" (fixed deposit account) and of course, that former player leaads the club. I wish e.g. Man United have more players in the board, how much money they burned year by year. Ulli Hoeneß was / is by far the most important person at Bayern, now Kahn and Salimahizic (also former players) leads the club. Dormund is not every year the most rival club and the Bundesliga is really not boring.
I hate seing the typical female sports commentator because they seem like they are clueless and try to compensate with their looks...but this German lady...she's got flair. It's like DW was trying to prove that they're the Bayern of female ⚽️ commentators 😉
If u scrap the 50+1 rule the 1st thing that'll happen is- Alphabet Inc aka Google will come & buy 8.33% in Bayern for some 220+ million Euros & Bayern will still have sold only 33.3% of their Company with 66.6% still in their hands. That's the biggest peril of scrapping 50+1. Initially for the 1st 2-3 season Bayern will get all the investment & they'll make themselves so big in the time that it'll be impossible to catch them for the next 20-30 thereafter
"Until This Hapopened" then Klopp Laughs and Jumps In,, that was EPIC... FACT: Dortmund would still be winning the Bundesliga every year ahead of Bayern if only they could remove their selling policy especially to rivals like Bayern you see, its like Dortmund don't want to be thee top club in Germany i mean just look at the players they've sold, Dembele,, Lewandwoski, Gotze,, Gundogan, Aubameyang, Hummels, Pulisic, Haaland, Sancho the list is so long and remember, they always still get in the Champions League every season despite all the sells.
Not sure the title is accurate tbh. The Bundesliga title race is beyond boring, absolutely agree. But the league itself boasts some of the most exciting, attacking football around. The Bundesliga games are NOT boring. But the title race, DEFINITELY boring.
I completely agree, the product on the pitch is very exciting with some great players, but the entire structure where one club runs over everyone else is the issue. We saw it in the video, when a huge club like Dortmund has to sell their best players to their competitor, and the TV money/sponsorship difference is just huge, no wonder.
@@zakwan10 spot on
The league is BORING for a neutral. For matchgoing fans, it's never boring to watch your team
Yes the games are always fireworks. Rarely a boring game in BL.
@@zakwan10 they didn't sell them, they lost them on a free when the contracts ran out
If 50+1 falls who do you think will get the biggest owner? I'll give you a hint it won't be Bochum. The standings at the top will probably mostly stay the same and what do we as fans recieve? Higher ticket prices, more tourists than actual fans in the stadium, sports washing and all for as much CL titles as Man city or PSG have ... oh wait ...
@Max Mustermann Yeah probably Düsseldorf playing Europa League or something but the Top 4 will probably be identical.
it won't stay the same i'm not from germany but my favorite league is the bundesliga and as a consumer i want a better product that 50+1 rule is the worst thing in the world look i'm from bayern but i wish there was a decent team the only thing i what they do with that rule is to leave the teams bankrupt I want to be alive the day they remove that horrible 50 + 1 rule and we see a bundesliga with competition
repeat with me make the bundesliga great again !!!!!
Fair point
Again people really underestimate Bundesliga if you remove bayern then Bundesliga becomes most exciting league even more than epl
@@Alex-ce1os The richest investors go for the biggest clubs. Bayern would get the richest Investor. Dortmund Leipzig and Leverkusen will be behind. Not much will change except the fans will leave the stadium and youll have citys atmosphere in every game.
Fuck sportswashing. Fuck Investors. Oil money ruined football
@@Alex-ce1os sorry but that's just wrong. The 50+1 rule is the most important rule in the Bundesliga if it falls it will become the same thing as the premier League or the MLS and loose everything that makes it unique. People from abroad might not realize but I as a fan don't care as much about the trophies and the star players as I care about my club and it's identity. And apart from that clubs like Freiburg and union Berlin and somehow even PSG and mancity show that money doesn't mean success and you can be successful without a lot of money.
The reason that Bayern came back with a vengeance in 2013 was not only Dortmund but also the lost CL final "dahoam" in 2012 against Chelsea. The entire 2012/13 season was one big vengeance trip and it was glorious.
Also, Bayern had several times over the last 10 years where they were really struggling in the League and at one point Dortmund was even ahead by 9 points, but still they squandered their lead. It's not only that Bayern is good, other clubs also do not capitalize on Bayern's mistakes - and they *do* make mistakes.
Liverpool with Klopp did this in 2019 after losing the UCL Final the last year to Real Madrid, but not after the infamous Mohamed Salah's injury and Karius' humiliation. They were also so close to win the Premier League, but managed to claim it the very next year during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Agree fully. This program is nowhere near objective. Don't know if it was intended or not, but it surely is bad journalism/research.
Bit of a myth there, yes they make mistakes but in the past decade Bayern making mistakes has changed from having a cold stretch of several games, maybe even having a down year, to maybe losing/drawing a game or two that they shouldn't. Only time the Championship was close in the past decade they still had 78 points at the end and Dortmund had 76. Other clubs have to be perfect themselves to cash in on Bayern "mistakes" nowadays and no one is.
And to be honest as a non-Dortmund fan I wouldn't consider Bayern and Dortmund switching places every year that exciting either.
@@HDreamer Not a myth at all, pure facts. The season with Kovac as coach was a disaster and Dortmund should have taken the title there.
And yes, two teams fighting for the title is not that exciting either, but Leverkusen and Leipzig are doing a great job and got some great people in their squads and kept many key players.
Who knows what will happen in the future. No run lasts forever, but the way the CL is structured makes it so that people who play CL and who go far in CL have so much more money than all the others that it will be very difficult to challenge them. This is only getting worse with the CL reform for 2024.
@@MrReese Again it needed Dortmund to be perfect to beat Bayern and it's just one season anyway, in that "disastrous" season Bayern still had 78 points and won the Cup too. Only reason it's considered sub-par is because Bayern has been dominant every other year and they lost early in CL, not making the final eight.
Even when he was sacked a season later he had a 5-3-2 record and perfect in Cup and in CL.
Slow start for Bayern, but a solid to great start for any other club. Kovac just didn't have the flair to be in charge at Bayern long-term. His approach to the game doesn't fit what Bayern wants to be either, but even all that couldn't diminish the talent gap between Bayern and the other clubs all that much.
I fear the money difference is just too big now and it will just continue to grow.
Maybe they will slip up once and allow Leipzig or Dortmund a title in between, but it won't go back to the early 2000s or dare I dream the early 90s when we had 3 teams having a chance to win it on the final day and Bayern wasn't even one of them. In the 90s they only won 4 out of 10, that was a good time.
00s 6/10
10s 8/10
20s 3/3
Bayern isn't to blame for doing a great job of course, after all other clubs demonstrate how to waste money every year (Hi Hertha), but the system is totally broken thanks to CL money. (and of course Bayerns prestige means they get better players for similar money than other german clubs)
What ruined the Bundesliga and All other leagues is the CL. Its sad. I say that as a lifelong FCB fan. The 50+1 rule is an interesting case. But it is what makes the Bundesliga affordable. It makes the clubs have real fans and not only rich ones. If the 50+1 rule should fall, the should be strict and longlasting investments needed. No rich man toys in the Bundesliga pls.
Ok, that's cool. Im a life long bayern fan and I genuinly want dortmund to win it. I will trade a UCL for 5 bundesliga titles in a heart beat. Whoever says bayerns at fault is wrong, we are the only reason why 4 german teams make it. Dortmund used to be neck and neck with bayern and they fumbled it.
In Germany football is still a people's game, thanks to the 50+1 rule , and standing policies of clubs ..
That's what a i think. If 50+1 were to stop then we still shouldnt allow just one person to buy the Club and do whatever he wishes
Yet Bayern is a rich man’s toy, and the only one in the bl
@@amilmumssen4312 because Bayern buy ai their best players every season
One thing that is very interesting in the video, I didnt realize the scale of TV revenue for Bayern Munich was so huge in contrast to other clubs. You can take a look at a successful example in American football (NFL) where a small town like Green Bay can compete with huge cities like New York and Los Angeles, because the TV revenue they all get is exactly the same.
Is there anything European football could learn from the States when it comes to TV revenue? What do you think, zakwan?
@@dwkickoff Sharing TV revenues equally will never happen in the Bundesliga, the Spanish Primera División or any of the other top leagues because the major clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, etc, always claim that, "Because of us, we put the fannies in the seats and the eyeballs glued to the television screens!"
@@charlesray9674 Champions League is the same... Year after is boring and boring, always the same clubs on the latest stages, always the same 4 countries, always the same players... and these clubs still want more money, more revenues, more and more... And UEFA has always agreed with that. Let them make a competition for them like Florentino wants...
I wanna see more winners and teams from Greece, Turkey, Portugal, The Netherlands, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, France, even Italy... Or what happen to teams like Coruna, Valencia, Lazio, Naples, Arsenal, etc... that got underdogged by Madrid/Barcelona, Juventus, City/Liverpool...
Even in the late 80's and 90's we had teams like Marseille, Porto, Benfica, Steaua, Dinamo Kiev, Ajax, Rosenborg winning or in the late stages of UCL.. Now is all this boredom.
DFB doesn't let 50+1 rule scrap, even Sheffield United earned more when they were in PL than Bayern and these are the source that keeps Bayern rich than other. They worked on merchandising, expanding their models. Yes I agree that they BOUGHT and NOT LOOTED Dortmund but what is Dortmund doing to other clubs ? Same thing! Nico Schlotterbeck, Ozcan etc. Bayern had the same rules that other clubs had. Bayern has no foreign investors still it has more UCL than PSG and man city , it shows that BAYERN WERE AND ARE SIMPLY TOO GOOD IN TERMS OF PLANING. Tbh Bayern won't care if 50+1 rule gets scrapped , Bayern will lose one or two league in 5 years after scrapping still Germans will respect Bayern more than others.
It’s not just the nfl, in other European leagues namely the premier league the broadcasting revenue is also spread more evenly than in the Bundesliga. An argument for the way it is that you hear here often is that this way, the top dogs (so mainly Bayern) are able to remain competitive in Europe against the teams that aren’t held back by 50+1 (namely those w/ insane investment) but tbh, I don’t think that’s necessary anymore and especially during corona there should have been considerations to spread it more evenly since all clubs were suffering under part of their income (the stadiums) being gone which lead to clubs like Köln being in big trouble (and Bayern relies much less on those incomes since they have bigger sponsorships, get money through performance in the champions league etc.)
Congratulations Bayern Munich for winning budesliga 2022/2023
Farmers league..
And next 3 seasons as well.
That's one of the reasons why they win if you're already crying on the 2nd game day
After that match Dortmund against Bremen, yeah youre right.
Bayern winning the league this season!Farmers league
I think Bayern's dominance is mainly because of its financial situation. The club has zero debts, owns the stadium, no silly unaffordable transfers. financially, it is an immaculate club.
That, plus the fact that other clubs fail to seal the deal. Even when Bayern is behind in the middle of the season, in recent years the clubs ahead of Bayern fail to capitalize on it and eventually fall behind again.
Zero dept? Did you read their financial report? 😂 Ofcourse no silly unaffordable transfer since they were just buy cheap player that has good prospect from other german team and make them worse. Just like they did to dortmund by buying Gotze. No wonder, their logo from 1938 to 1945 say it all..
Zero dept? Did you read their financial report? 😂 Ofcourse no silly unaffordable transfer since they were just buy cheap player that has good prospect from other german team and make them worse. Just like they did to dortmund by buying Gotze. No wonder, their logo from 1938 to 1945 say it all..
@@zulfika_ since we are talking about Dortmund, which club gave 3mil to them to aid the club when Dortmund had hard time financially?
People get it backwards. They should have easily won 20 in a row by now given their monetary advantage.
Lol Bayern’s Top Individuals were the People who activelly spoke to scrap the 50+1 rules
And to be fair, Bayern (the whole Club, including the Boards and Fans) are very supportive to German Football in Europe Stage. As a Bayern Fan, i will always support Dortmund if They againts any other European Teams. And will Support Them in the Entire Tournament if Bayern already Knocked Out, look Frankfurt for example, everyone in Germany Support Them
Dudeee, me too. As a Bayern fans I'll always support Dortmund in CL, even if Bayern knocked out.
@@dandyphotobrother That's the Beauty of this League.
You will never see any EPL or Spanish team helping teams which are on verge of Bankruptcy. But Bayern do that on regular basis. Heck even they loaned money to Dortmund and many clubs.
Imagine City or PSG doing that to smaller clubs with the Unlimited money back up, but problem is they will never do that.
Bundesliga's football culture is different. Many Germans don't like Bayern for Bavaria region and the monopoly of the league but Believe me in 2020 whole Germany even RB leipzig fans also Supported Bayern rather than a OIL MONEY Club.
@@luminousdreams8405 to be fair support each other barca fans turned out for Villarreal it really just real madrid and barca that have the bad blood.
Dude you are not even German, who cares which team you support from Thailand
You could hold me at gunpoint and i would never support Bayern. I would rather die.
Other fact: even bayern's tv revenue is less than bottom club from EPL. You need a good marketing too
it's not about marketing. premier league decided to share tv money, which is not done in any other european league. i live in serbia. i don't know any person who follows any german club as first choice.
The fall happened yesterday with Leverkusen winning in record fashion
people forgot that there’s UCL, uel, and conference spots. Oh and also relegation. It’s a great league where 11th can win Europa.
But boring because we all know it's only bayern that will win it in the end so...
The league needs fixing. Dortmund is not even a rival to bayern at this point and the Derby against schalke isn't the same anymore since schalke got relegated 😪 we need to do something as fans
@@Salio_Mendes schalke got promoted and they’re in the BL again
Still boring league 🥱
Hamburg(2nd tier),schalke, stuttgart, and frankfurt really need big investments. Stop this nonsense of rules 50+1!!!
Trust me Buyern will conquer the league until the judgement day comes.
The Bundesliga is definitely more capable of surprising than people think. People used to say Lewandowski and Haaland were in Farmer's league, now they're tearing it up in La Liga and Premier League.
American FC Union Berlin fan here. I found my favorite German club by trying to find my way back to my rental home while buzzed and ended up in front of Stadion An der Alten Försterei almost a decade ago and Now I’m just happy to see them thriving
They will end up like RB Leipzig
The video shows how incredibly good Bayern are in learning from their failures and building their long term success.
Something that most other buli clubs will never do and these people will continue to make crybaby kind of videos like these.
Yes of course Bayern are a great team. Absolutely no doubt about that.
But this is more about boring Bundesliga which is becoming a farmer's league.
@@JiTiAr35 that's my point. The video supposed to show that Bayern have made the bundesliga boring. But the video ended up showing just how great they are in planning and orginizing. At least that's my takeaway from this video.
Lies again? Tele Marketing
boooooooring.
Its not that Bayern wins every year. Its because there is no title race
That’s literally why if Bayern are out of the league the league becomes competitive just look at last season
You said two contradictory things
And in the important games against dortmund the ref gets red 😂
What a terrible conclusion to think that german football fans with 50+1 and dortmund are supposed to be the problem. it's not like the whole system plays into bayerns cards. the money distribution, especially the ones coming from the CL is clearly in bayerns favor. the rich are getting richer the poor are getting poorer.
Well, Dortmund can only blame themselves for embarrassing themselves in the CL. Ex. Last season
Its not like the state of English Clubs is worse? Look at how bad it is at clubs like Derby County. Or Bury FC, which doesen't exist anymore. Its almost certain that 5-6 clubs in the Top-4 divisions of English football won't exist by 2030
@@UpShir67 who did they do a favour ????
@@UpShir67 50+1 rule goes and all investors will go after Bayern because they are the best investment and Bayern will stay at top and become much richer in the process. But I honestly believe Bayern will trip and stumble in the near future and allow another team to win the league similar to Juventus, where they would easily complete the double and reach UCL semi or Finals, they've suffered early DFb Pokal knockouts and gone out in the cl quarter finals recently. 2020 was an anomaly, Flick was a hidden gem and led them to a sextuple.
I remember around 2004, I was 6 yrs old and I think Werder Bremen won the title that season...I began following Bundesliga a bit at that time, guys like Diego, Kuranyi, Podolski and Ballack were very good. I also remember Wolfsburg winning in 09. Old times. At that time Lyon was dominating France and Inter in Italy so Germany had the best variation of Champions
Even Serie A and Ligue 1 have had some variety in the last decade amidst domination from Juve and PSG. But in Germany, always Bayern.
The league has become Laughably One sided and is generally seen as trash by all fans outside Germany
don't forget klose....he's the reason I started Watching football
Ahhh...my teenage years
Every league will be dominated by 1 or 2 teams soon
Not only by the fans outside germany tbh
Every league has only a few teams to win it...man city will dominate the prem just like Bayern is in Germany, but I bet delusional Englisch Fans will still tell you it's the best league in the world and soooo exciting
Blaming the 50+1 rule is a joke. Shalke had a sugar daddy who poured money on the club despite the 50+1, they simply spent poorly. The same applies to Hertha. Their sugar daddy spent €350 million and they barely avoided relegation.
Leverkusen and Wolfsburg are owned by two of the most successful corporations in the world and even though Vile Energy Drink FC technically follow 50+1 the football authorities have let them flout it in such a way that they are in fact a company owned team. Nothing stops any of those companies from opening their purses and spending.
The people responsible for making the Bundesliga boring are the presidents and the chairmen of the clubs. They behave as if it is 1963. I live in a city with an MLS franchise. That team has played 4 exhibition/friendlies against Premiere league clubs since 2000. Bundesliga clubs almost never come to the US unless it is to play in these phony ICC tournaments and that is only Bayern. I have sent emails and Tweets to Dortmund begging Dortmund to come to the US especially the Midwest where there are tons of German Americans with their German American clubs and music societies. Instead they go to Dubai.
Bayern opened an office in the US several years ago. The man in charge of the office was interviewed on a podcast. His job was in a nutshell to build the Bayern brand in the US. Has any other club opened a US office? I may be wrong but I’m pretty sure they haven’t.
Money keeps Bayern ahead but their forward thinking doesn’t hurt.
True. But you have to spend wisely. Just buying "name" players rarely elevate team play. Tactics and good coaching can elevate clubs to play way over their heads like Dortmund did ten years ago.
I became a fan of German football because it used to have to have Soccer in Germany in 70s and 80s (broadcasting weekly matches in the states). Very shortsighted of those German clubs for not building their brand in the US 😔 Bayern was my favorite club because Franz played for the original Cosmos club and he used to play for them.
But to be fair, the English (maybe not manu), Spanish and Italian teams also failed to take advantage of the market here. 🤬
There is two sides of 50+1 Rule. Where it is a big obstacle to get foreign Investors but It also work as a shield to fans. Just compare the ticket prices of bundesliga compared to other leagues, Bundesliga is the most cheapest league to enjoy football. So I am really skeptical what will happen to the Fan culture of this league if 50+1 rule got abolish.
You know what is the Biggest fan owned club in EPL? It's portsmouth. Fiddling with 4th and 3rd division. That's the problem of the foreign investors, your club's Identity will die. Just read about what happed to Bury FC and One of the oldest club in India-Mohun Bagan.
@@luminousdreams8405 I will never get the supposed loss of club and fan identity. You rather have a historic club from the 3rd or 4th division die out due to lack of funding and a broken stadium..rather than get foreign investment. Not all clubs lose their identity.....not if the local grassroots supporters are behind the club......a club with any sort of legacy will withstand the cons of having "foreign investment".
@@myownlilbubble It‘s not that difficult to get. If more than 50% is owned by the club, fans remain to have a voice in what is happening behind the scenes. Abolishing 50+1 is taking power away from the many to a select few. We can perfectly see that in England with MK Dons, how this can turn out. Germans rather have no international recognition than losing their pillar of the community to a sheik, Russian oil baron or an international real estate mogul.
@@myownlilbubble Portsmouth's present status in English league system is not a testimony to the inefficiency of fan ownership but to
what can happen under the private ditto:
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When most people are not able to watch the Bundesliga without paying 30 Euro per month, instead have only 5 minute snippet videos on youtube why would anybody care anymore how many times Bayern will be Meister?
In England is £90 to watch the premier League and 3pm matches are not televised.
@@jamesmichaels4979 £90 to watch premier League is huge. In romania, currently the prices are way much lower for premier league, you don't get all matches, only the big teams.
Klopp was last non bayern manager to win Bundesliga.
Since then he quit Dortmund, joined Liverpool.. Won EPL, Champions League, League Cup, FA Cup, Uefa super Cup, Club World Cup, community Shield..
But no manager in Germany was able to beat Bayern in the league
Not just league and cups but also losing final to that Chelsea team in front of their own supporters and in their home made them inevitable too because they were trying to win their next champion league for so many years and winning against Dortmund was so important because of what happened to them previously........ And If we fix Bayern at the top then rest of league is still so competitive even small clubs like augsburg and union Berlin had played in Europe and bigger clubs like Schalke and Hamburg got relegated from Bundesliga. predicting PL's top 7 is easier than predicting Bundesliga's top seven......
2:40 that laugh from klopp was cold asf
“Dortmund escaped bankruptcy and shocked the world” it sounds great when you say it like it’s a fairy tale but Bayern were actually the ones who saved Dortmund from bankruptcy. Stop painting Bayern as a big bad wolf in Germany. I honestly admire their mentality and relentlessness. Players and managers have come and gone + new CEO now, yet the mentality has no been shaken. Juventus won the Serie A 9 times in a row before Ronaldo came, and no one bats an eye. So yes, I admire Bayern’s mentality, ruthlessness, and cut-throat execution. They are the epitome of discipline and class.
Well written Agree 💯 instead of improving scouting & training, these clubs like Dortmund become a selling club.
If you have zero knowledge of German football stop speaking BS
Juve also won the League twice with Ronaldo but ofcourse your agenda against him has to make sure that you paint him a villain and put Juve’s boring tactics, lack of investment and decline on Ronaldo.
El Bayern salvó al Dortmund? 🤡🤡🤡 Deberías informarte mejor. El Bayern solo le prestó 2 millones. Con esa cifra no salvas nada. El presidente del Dortmund realizó más gestiones para conseguir fondos.
The epitome of corruption.
It's already been 10 years, damn. Way to make me feel old. I still remember how unrealistic my friends and me found football manager. As if you could get 7 consecutive League titles. Now reality has surpassed video games.
Excellent short documentary DW, as a long life Bayern fan since I got memory it is very interesting everything that was mentioned in the video. Bayern mentality is to be the best, win every match and break records.
As many in the comments say, and I can’t object, is that the Bundesliga has become a little too predictable about who is going to win it but the fights for the UCL/Europa league/ relegation spots and even the mid table is very exiting. I love watching the underdogs perform well and seeing how many young stars develop at the beginning of their careers. Because again, I think that The Bundesliga has become a seedbed of many top class players that now play or have played for top clubs that have received this financial aid (which is extremely important specially now after the pandemic that have left many German clubs weakened, it would be interesting to see foreign investing in case they delete the 50+1 rule).
Finally to not make my comment long and boring, until this day I keep and will keep enjoying watching week after week the great and entertaining German football where I know something’s I ain’t gonna miss are exciting goals and lots of fun! MIA SAN MIA.
Thanks again DW for this great information!
(Sorry for my English mistakes, not my first language)
I loved Dortmund. As a Japanese American, I followed Kagawa-san's career eagerly. Never imagined it would introduce me to one of the most exciting clubs of the early 2010's. It's such a shame what has happened in the years since. I still enjoy watching individual Bundesliga matches, but following the league and the title race no longer holds the appeal it once did.
I can double this as a German
a japanese 2. leage club player, becomeing a star in germany, was realy someting. Was a nice time.
For me the real wakeup call was a 0:4 against St. Petersburg in the uefa cup. Because it showed them that there were not able to compete on a high level in europe anymore. Not even in the uefa cup.
So they wanted big changes. Klinsmann was their first try. Then came Van Gaal who build the tactical foundation. The reached the cl final in 2010 for the first time since 2001. Van Gaal also made thomas mueller a star. He turnt Schweinsteiger into a defensive midfielder and in general worked very closely with youth trainer hermann gerland who trained lahm, alaba, mueller, schweinsteiger, kroos, badstuber etc.
And of course robben joined the club that year to form a devastating attack team with ribery.
IMO Bundesliga clubs should aim to turn the Europa League and the Conference League into their domains.
Sounds like every midtable teams in every league
I feel like I was sold a false bill of goods - I got into the Bundesliga around 2010, back when I was taking German classes and looking for a more interesting alternative to the Premier League. I thought the good times would never end 😿 But I nonetheless continue to pay an obscene amount of money for the Bundesliga television package here in Canada, if only to do my part for the foreign TV revenue that German football so desperately needs 🙃
As much as we blame Bayern for destroying competition by buying the star players of their competitors, they at least grew into a giant club organically and smartly which the rest of the Bundesliga can learn from. 😬Germany's capital city club (Hertha, not Union Berlin) have been mismanaged, Germany's second-city club HSV have become dinosaurs living in the past whereas Dortmund are bottlers. Until these clubs fulfil their potential, Bayern will continue to keep the trophies.
As long as the 50+1 rule exists, I predict another decade of Bayern Munich Dominance.
Money plays a huge role in modern football whether one likes it or not.
andf if its gone they will be dominant forever ... who u think get the richest guy ?
@@CoL_Drake How so?
@@victornderu143 No reason for someone not to invest in something safe and established compared to pure inconsistency and a big bankruptcy history
Dortmund spent more money than Bayern in last 3 years... Man united spent the most money in England and they are trash
Yup it is not fair that German football is cheap to watch.
Sadly its also happened, years after end of Lyon domination and before PSG emergence, they are the most brutal league
atleast psg is kind enough to let other clubs win 1 for once very 5 years
This is exactly how I feel about LaLiga. It’s a 3 team race every single year. In the past 20 years only 4 clubs have won la Liga one of them being Valencia. This is an anomaly but every years it’s between Barca Real and Athletico it’s extremely boring. Imagine being a fan of another club like Sevilla and living your entire life and never seeing a single title
What u on about? Sevilla won the Europa league a bunch of times. Thats a title
@@RealMadrid15UCLs did they win LaLiga? That was the point.
Well not one feels sorry for you😭🥲🤣
@@joseventura3889 I’m not a fan of LaLiga because of this reason. It’s mid 😆
@@RealMadrid15UCLs Only because Real and Barca were in the Champions League
The story goes far more back to the early 70's. Bayern got the biggest stadium (Olympia) for free and could earn more money than anyone else in this time. Which was the major source of income.
exactly this
You know that bayern rented the stadium for 4,5 million a year just like berlin with their olympia stadium and most of the stadiums were pretty much on the same standarts because of the worldcup in germany and before that the average viewers in the stadium were 17k so a bigger stadium doesnt have any pros for you
Wrong !
Bayern had Uli Hoeneß !
1860 Munich gets the same Olympiastadion 50 years ago and pay the same rent like Bayern. 50 years ago 1860 was the big Club in Munich and not Bayern. Now 1860 plays unimportant in the 3. Liga and Bayern is the No.1 of Europe. Who have the better requirements 50 years ago? Right, 1860 Munich.
For the World Cup 1974 all the big Clubs like Hamburger SV, Dortmund, Schalke, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Berlin, etc. become big money for renovation for there most private stadiums from the german tax payers. Each round about 200 Mio.€ purchasing power today. But not Munich, they have the new Olympiastadion and gets nothing. This Olympiastadion was not pay by german tax payers. It was funded by a lottery and Olympia collectors coins. The highest rent for there stadium pays Bayern an 1860 at this time. Also some of the fresh renovated stadium where private property of the clubs. This Clubs pays nothing for decades.
Next point the Bundesliga at this times have a bad stadium occupancy, maybe at 50-60% because of the big money leagues in Italy in the 80ties and Spain in the 90ties where all the stars plays.
All the Clubs struggle because of the oversize stadiums at this time, because you have to pay rent or operating costs for a 60.000-70.000 stadium. The stadium occupancy become bigger when the Italian and Spanish leagues starts to struggle end of the last century.
Next fun fact, for the next World Cup in Germany 2006 it was similar. Bayern have build there own stadium before and the other big clubs become the next time german tax money present for renovations.
Back in the 70s or so they got the olympicsstadium. A massive stadium that most other clubs couldnt afford for basically free. And that in a time when ticketsales was the main source of income. Surely not the only reason but it built the foundation for their reign
Maybe we should do a prequel, Niklas:)
I‘d like that
its better watching the relegation battle in the Bundesliga than the title race
Im sure Bayern will fall from no.1 place bc I agree nothing is forever. But I think they will stay at the top. Bayerns bosses don’t seem stupid enough to make Bayern collapse to the ground
The board of barca also think this way, yet bartemeu got mad and the club in crisis of debt
for sure Bayern will lose the title race in some seasons.
Saying nothing is forever in this case is just dumb 😂 If you roll a dice endlessly, it will definitely end up on 1
They will be top dog for a looooooong while. They just buy and sell super smart, gotta give it to them.
I remember football made in Germany was a big thing in Ghana
But now, the EPL have taken over
As a life-long Schalke fan, seeing them relegated was at first devestating. But after watching the competition and excitment in 2. Bundesliga, there's a bit of sadness we are back in the Bundesliga.
Bayern already rocked Frankfurt 6-1, a strong club who are Europa League champions. Frankfurt had a much less embarrasing scoreline today, only losing 2-0 to Champions League winners Real.
Bayern poach the best German talents, from Dortmund, previously from Schalke. I hope this titan falls, it would be a great improvement. As for 50+1, it should stay, Buyern will hit a string of wrong moves like any big club previously thought to be untouchable (a la AC Milan, Man United, Barcelona).
I agree with you on everything accept the last line:
Milan's mistake was selling all their mature players and keeping only kids, add the fact that Berlusconi had a lot of problems in his personal life. Plus Italians spend almost nothing in developing their league/stadiums etc
Man Utd is a brand nowadays, they have American owners who don't even understand the offside rule, it is business for them.
Barcelona: bartomeu...
Good luck hoping for that. Bayern is well managed, unlike Milan, United and Barcelona. 50+1 rule falling and some investment group putting massive money in a rival club is the only chance bundesliga has to become watchable ever again.
Germans need to stop with that stupid socialist bullshit in football. The game is about numbers, Bayern destroyed everybody else in this. Now you need outside investors to balance things. If it wasn't for that stupid 50+1 rule, Bundesliga would be the best league on the planet, because of how rich Germany is and how traditional football is there.
You know the problem with you guys..you are waiting for Bayern to fall, you are not brave enough to compete with Bayern. That is a shame for you and your football club. First realise that... Bayern is a great club running with pride and carrying German mentality amongst many money minded clubs in Europe.
@@apendiceliterario1800 As an Unioner i can just say: "Wir lassen uns nicht vom Westen kaufen!"
Well said
Last couple of years Dortmund had Haaland and a bunch of other good players they still couldn't build a team that could compete. It's not all on Bayern... And of course we would have Klinsmann, Mr "not having a clue about football" as a national team coach :)
That statement about Klisnmann is wrong. He has no clue about tactics and team management but he was good as a player. At least he knew what to do inside the pitch.
@@rotonuz Yep. Just ask the US men's national team....🤢
@@charlesray9674 Germany and every team he has coached.
@@rotonuz 🤣👍
If they dared beat Bayern, they'd just sign their best players and weaken a rival again.
worst than that, we can know who can be the champion even when the league not start yet.
I can bet city, PSG and Bayern will win...even Madrid....they are too strong for any team in their leagues
“When a bored looking Manuel Neuer recently lifted the trophy…”
This is one of multiple unnecessary comments in this video. Stop trying to make it sound as boring as possible with your subjectivity, it’s honestly annoying. You can state facts without adding such useless comments. You are trying so hard to make it sound extra boring and make Bayern themselves sound bored of it, it’s embarrassing.
Fantastic presenter! Great production values! DW Kick off is the best. I only wish they would do it all in German with local subtitles so that I could learn more German while following a sport I love. Mach weiter so!
Now, Leverkusen is the one winning
1 out of 11 seasons?
@@dwkickoff it’s something 😂😂😂
The "fall" already happened. Bayern under Ancelotti and Kovac was weak and beatable. Lost some confidence and had inroom fighting or atleast disagreements. Dortmund failed to capitalize on that and in came Flick, Brazzo grew as manager and Kahn took over and Bayern was the unbreakable machine again. Its also Dortmunds fault to some part. They took to a system after 2013 in which they brought in a lot of young players and sold them on for profit. Its great and you love to see them as a talent factory in europe and it brought them some success but if you want to compete for titles you need consistency and form a great squad over years that can challenge Bayern as soon as they struggle. In 18/19 they fell off because they had to many young players with not enough mentality that could challenge thoruhg difficult times after losing the no 1 spot in Germany again after the winter break. I kinda hope that it's the way they are going now. Schlotterbeck, Süle, Adeyemi and Haller seem like players to me that they brought in to stay and form a squad around with Terzic as coach. There are some players like Bellingham and maybe Reyna that I think will leave for a nice sum in the future but my hope driven view of BVB is that they have players they can build a stable core around that wont leave for the first big club offer. Dembele and Haland were great transfers but it was clear from the start that they would come for a short time and then leave for a big sum. Right now Bayern is a machine and I genuinly believe only Liverpool and ManCity would be capable of beating them in a league challenge (Madrid is a cup team, dont think they could compete over a league season).
Investor are also not the golden child that they are believed they are. So far many investors have failed in german football eg Hertha, TSV 1860 München, Uerdingen, HSV. Even internationally if you look at ManUtd or Arsenal investors don't always do good. Liverpool before the current owners was the same. Id rather have a boring Bundesliga then Clubs selling their soul to investors. I think German Football has to find a way to attract investors and money without giving up the clubs identities.
I agree with you that Dortmund failed to capitalized as Bayern were having their little issue, but i dont think 18/19 season lost wasn't just because of young players because them players that made the championship and the double back in 2012 weren't older. I think Dortmund were also having their little issues internally, it was just not known on the outside, i guess they're as less Hollywood as Bayern can be sometimes.
i really dont get the premise that football is only interesting if you have a huge variety of teams that finish first.
More than one team would be nice though😉
This lady is an awesome presenter!!!!who is she????she has impeccable diction in both english and german.Rarely see someone this good
Thank you, Visan, for your nice comment. We'll pass it on ;)
@@dwkickoff You conveniently failed to answer the question. Dumkopf
Without athletico Madrid in the La liga. The Spanish league would be boring as well
Agreed with all the statements,
But Some key points are-
1. Lewa was a free transfer. It was not Bayern's fault that dortmund can't manage their player to give him a new and better contract also Hummels was bayern's academy product. So Raid probably a big term because Dortmund got sebastian rode,niklas sule too from bayern.
2.She Didn't mention One thing that Dortmund actually buy more bundesliga Players than Bayern. Look at their transfer and current roster, you will understand.
3.There is two sides of 50+1 Rule. Where it is a big obstacle to get foreign Investors but It also work as a shield to fans. Just compare the ticket prices of bundesliga compared to other leagues, Bundesliga is the most cheapest league to enjoy football. So I am really skeptical what will happen to the Fan culture of this league if 50+1 rule got abolish.
4.You know what is the Biggest fan owned club in EPL? It's portsmouth. Fiddling with 4th and 3rd division. That's the problem of the foreign investors, your club's Identity will die. Just read about what happed to Bury FC and One of the oldest club in India-Mohun Bagan.
I agree with most of your points but did you just seriously compare the moves of Götze, Lewandowski, Hummels to Rode and Süle? Bayern took three key players while Dortmund took a bench player and a centre back who wasn't a consistent starter.
@@elsharkone7 I am not comparing, I am just stating that transfer between clubs are very normal in Bundesliga.
It was Dortmund's management fault that they failed to retain Lewandowski. Lewandowski wanted more wage,they refused. He completed the contract and came to Bayern as a Free transfer.
Hummels was Academy player of Bayern. He had many interviews where he stated he wanted to prove his worth at Bayern so his stint was inevitable.
The only transfer was REALLY wrong was Gotze. When pep was initially talking with Bayern came he wanted Neymar in 2014. Uli hoeness was to stubborn to buy neymar because he don't like him(For obvious reasons) so he gave pep Gotze as replacement. That too buy triggering the release clause. But for me the biggest absurdity was the timing. It was before the 2013 CL final. For that reason I will never forgive Bayern for the transfer. It broke the will of Dortmund in final.
But nevertheless Bayern is very much needed in this Business oriented football right now. Probably the only club who still play charity football matches with the clubs who are facing bankruptcy. Bayern help small teams in lower division and Many times loaned out money to Bundesliga teams-Even dortmund too. I can't even imagine PSG,CITY or Chelsea with Unlimited funds can do this to keep up the football culture. Bayern more over bundesliga clubs are only doing this.
terrible product, not even worth watching for a decade now the Germans should be very ashamed of what they are doing to the beautiful game
When I read the man that made the Bundesliga boring I thought of Drogba because instead of Dortmund the decisive event was the CL loss and the other things just made it worse
I hate Bayern and also admire them because, like it or not, they have built an amazing club. I think they are less to blame for their dominance of the Bundesliga than the big money clubs who don't really want to compete with them. Hoffenheim is backed by SAP, Leverkusen by Bayer, Wolfsburg by VW, etc. so there would be plenty of money for some clubs to really compete. The problem is that they don't want to.
Bundesliga is boring???? In which parallel universe do you live? Such stupidity, sorry
I have to say, Kamilla is brilliant at telling a story. I didn't think I was going to watch the whole thihng, I wanted to watch the intro and then skio to the end to know who's to blame... But she commands attention and in the end, I wanted her to continue telling the story and didn't care so much about knowing who made it boring. Brilliant video!
I like how the seria A has become competitive. It is only a matter of time before champions league win returns back to Italy.
Because we have at least 5 teams more strong than Borussia, and if one fails, we have other 4 that will surely take the place
@@Adelchi86 You don't have 5 Teams stronger than Dortmund. And you have none stronger than Bayern.
@@SoLazy100 I don't think so. Bayern's squad strength has serious gaps.
😂😂There are Zero Serie a teams who can challenge to win UCL .
@@pranavshukla8313 lol brother 😂Ac milan and Inter milan finished 4th in UCL group stage in last two season .Too bad for so called champions
Best piece of journalism and Entertainment. Thats why I like DW!!!!!!
she nails it a brilliant video honest and gets to the point. Bayern went brutal and took dormunds big three and made it clear to dortmund never to step on their turf again. it was huge move that ripped th heart out german compeititon and warned the rest of the league not dare try and win the league again
Bundesliga was never the most exciting football league in the world
„And while Bayern soon sacked Klinsmann for not having a clue about football …“ :-)
Definitely a very true sentence.
Bringing the point of Bayern "looting" bvb players while bvb has sold around 15 of their star players abroad and only 2 to Bayern has become an annoying joke.
Especially when Dortmund have more domestic transfers year after year than Bayern.
Don't get me wrong, but it's always a pity to realize how some people are linking interest for a league only to "who will win the title". It's just like those who can't enjoy a movie if the end doesn't fit what they want.
If you really love football and follow every Bundesliga matchday, you will find out that Bayern, just like any other teams, can be surprised by some underdog and have to fight hard to win... and sometimes they failed, despite all odds.
Also, stop complaining about Bayern getting other BL teams' stars... Where do you think they would go if their current teams can't match their salary demands? No, they wouldn't put loyalty above money. Yes, they would just go to another league... I doubt BL would gain anything by this.
But it’s MOST of the interest isn’t it? There’s a reason the Prem is bigger than the Bundesliga, and that’s one of the biggest reasons
but the excitement can only take you so far down the season when you realize bayern are not stepping down the rank anyway you'd imagine.
@@jojoohyeah4761
No, EPL is bigger for many, many other reasons. The biggest being the language dominance and the attraction of bigger wages. If EPL was more successful because more competitive, teams like Arsenal, Tottenham and other eternal runners up wouldn’t have any fan base anyway.
Smaller (and less successful) clubs still have supporters because there’s still real football fans who love watching great games and not only plastic fans who can only support their teams when they win.
@@rafekatchadorian465
I don’t agree, this logic is valid for those who enjoy football only for betting… Unable to enjoy the sport, just focusing on the final result.
@@ericfrechette5569 think about it, if real Madrid had won the CL furthermore the year after 2018 it would no longer be that big of a prestige and an attraction to win it, cause when you're organizing a league every position has to have some competitors and every now and then there's gotta be some ups and downs more or less, so 10 years is a long long time for a single club to take home the trophy, soon enough it's gonna be a Mickey mouse cup. Now don't get me wrong Bayern are a great team they can only take what's in front of them, I'm blaming it more on the association not changing the league's dynamics.
i can't deem it exciting just because of that, it's not just about betting, it doesn't look a competitive league that you claim it is when Bayern can dominate the top for so long now.
Yes there no hype following Bundesliga.Same Bayern or Dortmund every year
La liga will overtake the bundesliga as they have copied the Premier league in terms of equal distribution of the TV money. Make it level playing field and you will get tighter games. First game back and bayern won 6-1 with no striker. League is over already.
It's 11 in a raw now for Bayern...sad for Dortmund
Documentary is more interesting than actual games in bundesliga
Oh dear, even a pretty good video about why the bundesliga is boring is itself boring. Yikes.
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The sad thing is that all the smaller clubs are supporting the 50%+1 share rule, which is kind of noble, but on the other hand the only thing they gain is keeping in their hands their own misery...It is sad that the world is waiting August 5th for Premier League but has no idea when the Bundesliga will start. Another issue that must be tackled is the fact that East Germany exists in few places in Germany and football and Bundesliga is one of them. Greetings from Athens Greece and keep up the amazing work DW Team!
Smaller clubs support that rule because they know no one is going to buy them. If abolished big clubs are going to be bought and the gap will increase.
Shoutout to Greece, Dimitrios! Spread the word...
And what is gonna happen then? The big clubs will become richer and richer. Sure a team like Bremen or Schalke could become a big club but what else? The smaller teams would die a slow death like Bury FC for example because no one would buy them. It may sacrifice competitiveness but it keeps the spirit of actual football alive
There is two sides of 50+1 Rule. Where it is a big obstacle to get foreign Investors but It also work as a shield to fans. Just compare the ticket prices of bundesliga compared to other leagues, Bundesliga is the most cheapest league to enjoy football. So I am really skeptical what will happen to the Fan culture of this league if 50+1 rule got abolish.
You know what is the Biggest fan owned club in EPL? It's portsmouth. Fiddling with 4th and 3rd division. That's the problem of the foreign investors, your club's Identity will die. Just read about what happed to Bury FC and One of the oldest club in India-Mohun Bagan.
There’s nothing sad about it, they just place their priorities elsewhere. Most of them want their teams to remain THEIR teams, not some billionaire’s plaything… and they’re quite right.
Maybe that’s strange for someone who have no idea what it is to cheer for a club that belongs to their fans as much as their fans belong to it. Still, just look at them when they are playing against Bayern, a single goal is a reason to cheer, a good play is enough too, just because THEIR boys are facing that big world class team, not some mercenaries hired by an rich oil cheikh or oligarchs…
It's Dortmund's fault. They made Bayern very angry that Bayern just destroyed the competition lol
Now it's called Bayernliga.
One of the best football commentary, thx!
2012 seemed like a lifetime ago.
Back in the day there was an unwritten rule that a team could only achieve three titles in a row. In the fourth year another won. It was either the biggest rival of Bayern or a surprise champion like werder 2004, Stuttgart 2007 or Wolfsburg 2009
In my opinion In term of play style everytime I watch bundleslige it's amazing how good and unique it feels each team play. But in term of competitiveness, wtf is going here.
5:14 good thing Kloppo was wearing those sunglasses😂😂
That 50+1 rule sounds good actually… The problem apparently lies more with the _other_ rules that allow Bayern to walk all over the league.
Qatar buying off PSG did not make the French League less boring lol. Though at least PSG has the curtesy to lose the title once in a while.
you've hit the nail on the head.
The purpose of videos like this is to abolish fan ownership, so a Rich oligarch can come in and start making money with the club, buy raising prices.
Just looking at the smug presenter, its not hard to imagine her chasing the peasants away from a stadium and shouting " don't come back until you have the money!".
She's basically making the argument that the Proles are to blame for a single club winning year after year.
@@darrelldadams The narrative that Bayern "makes it boring" yet Dortmund or another club winning multiple in a row is somehow good for the league? Most of the people who cry about this are just haters of Bayern, they don't care about the league.
The 50+1 rule saved the Bundesliga from selling its soul like the Premier League did. Even if the title race is boring (for now) the German football culture is still alive, the tickets are affordable for everyone and the atmosphere is fantastic. I prefer that over spending a fortune to sit in a quiet English stadium with Asian tourists.
are you aware that premier league is most watched league in the world, by far ... tv is more important than stadium.
@@nikolatomic5287 Of course i am aware. And no, TV is not more important. Football culture is way more than what happens on the pitch. People who only know football from TV wont understand that.
I respect 50+1 rule of Bundesliga and watch Bundesliga because of that
The rule is good and I am in total support of it but the league is super boring now😴
and i can bet you are fan of communism or something similar?
@@nikolatomic5287 nope. I'm Indian so I'm into democracy. I just don't like clubs directly relying on the money of it's owner instead of using smart tactics to strengthen the squad. Like Bayern usually poch there direct rivals in Bundesliga
@@kushalarvindramesh952 India is facist Hindutva Hindu terror regime now
Germany needs to cancel the 50+1 rule to allow Investors to come in with money.
As much I agree that Bayern winning all the time make it less exciting especially to international fan, the league is still very exciting to watch and affordable to every men and women. Getting good players from competitors is hard to fix problem with all the money Bayern have compared to other clubs and that is also not their fault either they are just smarter in the beginning. Other clubs need to play catch up.
Latest transfer news - sesko will join bayern munich in 2025 from rb leipzig
It's like everton competing with man city lol
Schalke had indeed received money from Gazprom, (much more than they deserved by market standards) didn’t save them from relegation. Also, probably majority of German Football fans would rather watch Bayern dominance, than get rid of 50+1 Rule. Hoffenfaim and Red Bull Leipzig are as hated as Bayern.
Jurgen Klopp: what a legend.👌👍
Nothing can be as boring as the french league .
No competition no excitement for foreign viewers it may be exciting league for locals but not for foreigners because of buyern dominance
What's the solution? How can that change, any ideas?
@@dwkickoff for international viewers.....knowin Bayern will win the salad silver plate right off the bat from the first league game ..is not that exciting.
When bayern get 3 or 4 or 5 goals by Lewy....in so many matches...it make one wonder...how terrible are their opponents defences? Oliver Kahn would be vomitting blood if that was his team....
People wake up at 3am or 4am on the other side of the world for their favourite PL team...even if it is shitty manU....because they want to see teams like manC or Chelsea to get off their perch.... even for Liverpool to try to challenge these so called oil clubs or olgi clubs or beat arch rivals in manU or their derby rivals in everton.......or just challenge the used to be great club with history like Arsenal with their Invincibles days.......even spursy with the whole no trophy running joke
Even the usual laliga suspects rm vs barca.....and the crazy antics of simeone in Atletico....
BL fans can claimed that BL is the best league all they want....and it could very well be...but in terms of broadcasting reach..EPL will always be number 1 and manU under SAF truly marketed their team and cemented their brand and along it...the EPL in the global market.
It is spooky how similar Dortmund and Liverpool's stories feel like.
Greatness of Klopp. The only reason winning the league was a one time thing in both leagues is that Bayern and City who are financially dominant in their leagues responded by bringing in more players and creating greater squad depth which both BvB and Liverpool simply can't match.
Both underdog teams that's why I support both, I just hope Klopp can at least give another PL title to Liverpool again like how he gave Dortmund 2 Bundesliga titles
The Championsleague final in 2013 was on the 25th of may not on the 19th
"2012"
Other than Germans and some hardcore football fans. I think nobody watch Bundesliga anymore.
hard to imagine Framers league without their top farmer the tap in merchant lewandisney
Wasn't even his fault that he is a STRIKER whose job is to score in any way
@@technicrox1203 nahhh dickeatin goin crazzzy
LOVE IT. Thanks a lot for such an interesting video. #mia san mia 😂
after 10 long years, I'm now a premier league fan. I don't care whether people call me plastic or not. I'm done with Bundesliga. I'm frustrated just like Lewandowski. It's too boring to watch the beautiful game knowing which team is gonna win for sure. No matter how much quality the second placed team has, Bayern are going to win the title for the next 20 years or who knows, even more? Bundesliga games are beautiful and unpredictable, but Bayern destroys the party. RIP Bundesliga
oh the man city league? full of soulless teams bought by the most nefarious governments and people.
Mate...lewy went to laliga barca to get his balon dor......laliga is between rm and barca mainly for the international viewers........kept harping about el classicos revival or wanting cr7 back at rm and messi at barca
...what a joke....
Serie A and PL are the one to watch for footy ....for now at least.
U better cheer for city lol .they winning next 5
@@The-Heart-Will-Testify no bro they won't. Bundesliga should allow privatisation
City is farming the premier league
This was very interesting and well presented.
Wonderful editing and presentation. Bayern's domination definitely make Bundesliga more predictable and it kills the excitation.
well lets face it its only RM and barca in spain only Psg in france man city in england 4 out 5 times. its all getting boring im afraid
Thanks for talking about the elephant in the room. What's the point of watching a league if you already know who will win at the beginning of the season? The drama and uncertainty is what makes premier league far more interesting, down to the last game of the season. Not just the race of the top clubs. I had a lot of fun watching the relegation drama last season.
no one watches bundesliga outside of germany. just give title to bayern munich every year.
I wasn't expecting to see a video about this, but this shows I'm not the only one who thought this. Some months ago, my 7 year old son was asking me about every league in Europe and wanted to know about which teams won in the past. When we got to Germany and I saw that Bayern had won 10 times in a row I said that it's not worth watching it, because you'll know who will the title in the end. Yes. It's boring. And I live in Canada.
The advantage of Bayern was and is the good recruiting and the "Festgeldkonto" (fixed deposit account) and of course, that former player leaads the club. I wish e.g. Man United have more players in the board, how much money they burned year by year. Ulli Hoeneß was / is by far the most important person at Bayern, now Kahn and Salimahizic (also former players) leads the club. Dormund is not every year the most rival club and the Bundesliga is really not boring.
I hate seing the typical female sports commentator because they seem like they are clueless and try to compensate with their looks...but this German lady...she's got flair.
It's like DW was trying to prove that they're the Bayern of female ⚽️ commentators 😉
If u scrap the 50+1 rule the 1st thing that'll happen is-
Alphabet Inc aka Google will come & buy 8.33% in Bayern for some 220+ million Euros & Bayern will still have sold only 33.3% of their Company with 66.6% still in their hands. That's the biggest peril of scrapping 50+1. Initially for the 1st 2-3 season Bayern will get all the investment & they'll make themselves so big in the time that it'll be impossible to catch them for the next 20-30 thereafter
"Until This Hapopened" then Klopp Laughs and Jumps In,, that was EPIC...
FACT: Dortmund would still be winning the Bundesliga every year ahead of Bayern if only they could remove their selling policy especially to rivals like Bayern you see, its like Dortmund don't want to be thee top club in Germany i mean just look at the players they've sold, Dembele,, Lewandwoski, Gotze,, Gundogan, Aubameyang, Hummels, Pulisic, Haaland, Sancho the list is so long and remember, they always still get in the Champions League every season despite all the sells.
Please change the presentator no need to be sassy 😆😆