Practically everything points to Eren and Historia. The boy who wanted to save humanity and the girl who wanted to help everyone ends up being the ones dooming the world for their own selfish happiness. The girl who was unloved and unwanted having a child she intends to love regardless of the curses and judgment of the world while its father wreaks unholy havoc on the rest of mankind in the name of securing this one being's future, freedom, and happiness--at the cost of everyone else's.
Let's not forget Eren's last monologue and pov was in chapter 131 where all his motivations were shown (the final is an Armin's point of view, so eren might lie to his friend). The last thing to reveal was the identity of the baby's father and the fact that eren listened to Kruger's piece of advice to make a family. That's what should have been drawn and written in the last 2 chapters, not the trash we saw Wanting his friends to be the world's heroes is one of the biggest retcons in this story and the funniest one cause sasha, hange and floch are dead even though he could just have gone with Zeke's plan and saved them all. He cared about nobody but them, so why did he have to save the island and its inhabitants? His friends are the only ones to protect, aren't they?
This video deserves several thousand more views. From a fellow individual with no skin in the shipping game, thank you for helping me to not feel like I'm alone and crazy. I can't understand how we as readers couldn't have drawn the exact conclusions you illustrated here based on the actual narrative elements we were given in this story.
Let’s be for real “Your the girl who saved me that day. You’re the worst girl in the world.” In any other anime or manga, that quote alone puts Eren x Historia as canon.
I completely agree with everything you say! He makes a deliberate effort to develop Eren and Historia and it literally all goes to waste in the end. He does exactly what he said he wouldn’t do.... sacrifice Historia. Why was he lying to every character for so long in the manga? We as fans have to either accept the fact that Isayama is a terrible writer and developed E+H as a red herring to ...?? Something. Or he developed them with a plan (E+H) endgame and he retconned them at the end. Now it’s pretty obvious from any chapter involving Grisha, Zeke or Eren Kruger that Isayama is an amazing writer so what’s left....
I don’t know what say but after reading manga and additional pages correct me if I am wrong but Now I felt like we still have the animated left coming this winter.
@@lxfj2128absolutely spot on it’s literally in the story clear as F day but people love to be in blue pillsim denial gaslighting themselves to death 💀 thinking a F…ing SISTER FETISH IS BETTER THEN A DEEPER man and women better chemistry plot with a baby in secret darth Vader style Yeah no one cares about a deeper meaningful traditional tragic plot anymore it seems this timeline of ours has really FETISH SIMPED OUT People BRAINS BADLY. But hey it’s all good I’ll be adding in my interpretation to the final when it comes out with eren X christia so it’s all good. With that said yeah iam really REALLY STARTING TO HATE MIKASA and her reasoning for being created in the story to begin with and I can’t believe iam going to say this but i think iam starting to hate mikasa more then I hate Rey of that fake sequel Star Wars because of the more deeper plot mikasa sabotaged of a more emotional chemistry and baby plot that would have ended the series on a deeper higher tragic note ugh. 😑
Eren was never willing to sacrifice historia he refused. But he was more and ok with sacrificing his friends even armin and mikisa.even Jean pointed it out saying eren put your lives in danger to rescue him in marley and even when the jaegerists bombed Zachary mikisa and armin almost got caught up in it. Eren main goal was to not sacrifice historia or paridise
Exactly to claim eren did all of this for his friends ignores so many things post timeskip were he almost got them killed ether directly or indirectly.
the group pic in ch130 pretty much confirmed that eren doesn't think of historia as just a friend because she was the only one who wasn't on the pic. also, in the anime they changed eren's lines to falco; eren says his letters didn't reach his family but they got to his friends. now obviously eren's only living family are mikasa and zeke but we know that eren's letter reached mikasa/the SC and that zeke was in on his plans of the marley attack. so that again seems like a hint at Historia carrying Eren's child.
Yes!!! Exactly. There were so many hints throughout the story. Such a shame. In my head Eren and Historia will always be canon and I think the aotnr fan edit is going in that direction, so there’s hope!!
@@ordinarywriter1852 I hope I'm not asking too much, but the you think you can do your own ending and have historia it and there and the parents and the end. Because I like your idea.
I mean, she might not have been in the pic cuz she was doing queen stuff? idk. And besides, I guess her survival was pretty much always guaranteed and she was always going to live long so there'd be no point of her being in the pic. But hey, idgaf about ships lol.
So much respect for u making this . It was obvious this was the real original ending . Whether it was because certain fans and fans ppl complained and it got changed to this shitshow of an ending that ruins the series heavily for me . Eren historia carried surpassing the father themes leaving children out of the forest . Living for urself. Enemies of humanity. Symbolism of girl making deal with devil offering the fruit . But oh well ending got changed to the ackerman and alliance wank show. Eren historia whole relationship was clearly retconned. It’s clear to see isayama or kodanshana clearly ruined the ending purposely
It's funny how the ship that makes the most sense story-wise is also the most hated among the fandom! As someone who only has half knowledge of AOT, the pairing does make sense. Why would Isayama take the time to develop the friendship/relationship between Eren and Historia if he didn't originally plan it to be endgame? And why place the importance on Historia's pregnancy if the farmer was truly the father? And why would Eren entrust his plan to Historia and not Mikasa nor Armin? Those are just my musings.
It's popular only because mikasa is very loved by the the fans who wish her to be happy (with eren oc) and live long. But I swear if mikasa weren't the main female character, most of the fans would hate her or were pissed off by her
Idc what the fan felt, but that doesn’t mean this ship is mostly *SENSE* because as far as I know, Eren just want to protect Historia he tries to say that he will be anyone and she’s free to do anything whatsoever. But that doesn’t mean that Eren completely loves Historia because there’s some chapter in the Manga (I don’t remember much but this is what I face for importance) that Historia Want Eren to help her to save (random) Eren was speechless because Historia asked her he have to do what he gotta do because he’s the Titan. She also used him sometimes. (I’m not completely sure but this is like my 99% sure) Eren loves Mikasa because she knows who he is, not what he does..well, sadly in the manga they will never see eachother again. Honestly, just give Mikasa a chance, she has been through a lot and Eren helps her how to live, and she teaches him how to love. They’re completely soulmates🥺
BECAUSE HISTORIA IS THE QUEEN. HE TOLD HISTORIA HIS PLANS BECAUSE HE NEEDED HER TO CONTINUE RULING THE PARADIS ISLAND AFTER HE DIED LMAO. YOU'RE ALL DELUSIONAL
I am fairly convinced the ending would be either Eren or Historia holding their child and saying: "You are free..." And the childs name would have been Ymir. Which would have completed Historias emotional arc with her Ymir (her friend) and Erens philosophical arc with his Ymir (the slave). Instead we got an out of nowhere romance between Mikasa and Eren and a Historia that serves no cruicial purpose. The sad thing is i rewatched the whole anime before chapter 130 was released. Watching it in a row made it so obvious how much Eren and Historia compliment each other. I've never been a shipper, but for some reason i was instantly sold on the idea of those two ending up together, because it made sense. This could have been such a great end to a sad and beautiful story. I feel the world was robbed of something great. Btw: How can anyone think Historia even likes the Farmer? The look she gives him everytime she sees him is so cold and full of hidden disgust. That is not the look you give your beloved baby dady. That is the look you give to someone you can't stand, but tolerate to keep up a facade.
IKR..?! And it's somehow even poetic..like even the idea is just brilliant The devil reunites with his queen who accepts what Eren is doing because she knows that he has no other choice.. i can't beleive that Isayama didn't think of that because he definitely did..
I watched the anime and just finished s4p2 but I never saw romance between Eren and History. I only see platonic friendship and I can’t even understand how people ship them. Like neither Eren nor Historia seems to be interested in the other romantically ever. Eren been the father is even more ridiculous. It’s like he just told her he’s going to destroy the world and historia will be like let’s have a child together then go destroy the world and die in four years. Also Eren after trying to have a child with Historia knowing he’ll die in four years went on asking Mikasa what he is to her and even asking Zeck about her feelings. This is just not Eren and it wouldn’t make sens. This show is not even about romance yet people are so obsessed about it. In the end of the day it’s the author’s work and he knows his story and the characters he created more then anyone and so ended it has it should be. People are free to write their own fan alternative ending to satisfy themselves though. But the author’s ending is and will always be the ending as the author’s begging and all the between will always be the beginning and between whether people like it or not is opt to them. Btw there is a fan ending called Attack on Titan No Requiem where Eren and Hostoria is made ship so anyone who want to satisfy themselves about EH being lovers can check it out.
@@arrow4308 @Saliou Barry The final episode showed Eren asking Mikasa from her POV not his. He asked her to see whether her answer will differ from his memories or not. Eren out of all the things to think about before all this destruction starts he thinks about Historia, and his conversation with her where he reveals everything. He had 0 use for her since she was mainly a figurehead queen. Yet he does this because he feels closer to her than everyone else. Hanji uses Historias name to trigger eren in jail. All their other interactions, eren seemed more comfortable with her than Mikasa who was like an overbearing mother to him throughout. The conversation with Zeke could be just taken as him gathering info on the Ackermans super strength and Mikasas disturbing level of codependency on him, which he wanted to beat out of her. Why is eren being the father crazy? There could have been a different ending planned if he was the father where he survived. Or just him doing something selfish and trusting Historia to take care of the child while he makes sure they can live peacefully, which would have given him more of an incentive to do the disturbing rumbling. Not to mention the amount of important screen time given to historias pregnancy and eren. While all this could have ended in one episode if the full plan was to make a no name farmer the father. No need to have repeatedly shown her to be miserable when she looks at him. Plus the kid was definitely gonna be named Ymir. Which would have been neatly tied up as both parents honouring freckled Ymir and Ymir Fritz. But all this development was scrapped at the last moment for Eren Mikasa romantic endgame where the only development they had was a one sided pining by Mikasa. Eren historia had more positive development than most anime couples will ever receive.
@@sumukhsai2097 That’s a lie. The scene in the final episode was not Eren asking Mikasa from her POV. That’s just what you convinced yourself to satisfy your EH yearning and father headcanon theory. The last scene between Eren and Mikasa was Eren and Misaka’s final interaction. When Eren went to see his friend, he interacted and had a moment with each of them in the path but he erased their memories so they would only remember after his death. We were showing this with his conversation with Armin in the path at the beginning of chapter 139. After Eren’s death everyone of them( Jean, Conny…) remember that’s why they were crying so much and Mikasa asked Armin if he also remember their last conversation with Eren when he came to see them. But Mikasa is an Ackerman so her memories cannot be altered that’s why Eren waited until the last minute(unlike his other friends) to take her in path and live his fantasy of ‘’if she gave a different answer’’. In his fantasy, he would not do the rumbling and would run with Mikasa to live his last 4years in piece. Mikasa was living that moment with Eren in the path at the same time the fight was happening here( an instant in the world is years in the path everyone knows this) that’s how she knew Eren was in the mouth and when Eren died in the world, he also died in the path with her and she said ‘’ See you later Ere’’. The same line she said in the first chapter in young Eren’s dreams. It’s a loop, Young Eren in the first chapter was seeing his life defile before his eyes in a form of a dream including his last moment with Mikasa, the last thing he heard ‘’See you later Eren’’ and the last image he saw( Misaka with short hair) that’s why he asked her why her hair was short when he wake up. This unlike your baby father drama theory( which I won’t be discussing because it’s already confirmed his not the father and I’m tired of it) is written by the author himself so if you don’t want to acknowledge what the authors wrote, that’s on you. You can continue convincing yourself whatever you want but Eren and Mikasa’s love is not one sided. They both loved each other and wanted to be with each other unlike your EH ship. EH never had romantic feeling for each other, they only had a friendship which was very clear. And you wanna force them to be in love with each other and have a kid together in your headcanon lol. I won’t be writing about the other parts of your comment because it’s already all answered in the manga so I don’t know why you continue clinging to your wrong theories.
@@arrow4308 Do you like read the shit before arguing or just try to pick beef with anyone who doesn't recognise the great EM pairing. Like ik what happened in cannon jeez. That was not what I said at all, nor was that the point of the video. Everyone knows Historias babby daddy is confirmed to be farmer-kun. The whole point of this was to not waste hyping it so much for the babby daddy to be some nameless character and who she seemed miserable around. About the whole confrontation in Marley where Eren asks Mikasa why she cares so much. It's literally Mikasa POV thinking maybe if she told the truth this shit wouldn't have happened, while at the same moment eren is thinking about Historia before he begins his assault. Watch E28 of pt2 or chap 130 again. Yes we know about the final chapter where he gave a majestic sendoff and him wailing around like a piece of shit that Mikasa shouldn't't move on for 10 yrs blah blah. You don't need to remind me of cannon. The ending was trash, the whole pairing and Ymir fritz love parallel from the slavery shit. The whole EM relationship reeks of last minute retcons. Now don't behave like Retcons never happen. If it wasn't it was just trash writing. You keep claiming EH wasn't romantic. EM was?? Based on what? The last minute decision of Eren telling he actually loves Mikasa but not doing a single fucking thing for 10 years but wants her to never move on. The only thing that happened in the whole show was Mikasa literally running after Eren like a lost puppy and Eren hating the smothering overprotectiveness. Meanwhile Eren actually has a healthy close relationship with Historia, it comes to a point where Eren can share deep secrets like the rumbling meanwhile Historia cares about Erens opinion on personal decisions like pregnancy when she was ready to sacrifice herself before the talk. It was not romantic maybe but they had a healthy close relationship. Animes don't write romantic relationships. But this was sure as hell was close to one compared to the toxic EM ship. Don't bother arguing back, when all your arguments lie in because the author said so. I would have been fine with no ships. All platonic from erens view which still makes sense. But ending with EM made absolutely no sense especially when EH had such a close bond. You love the ending good for you. You may believe the author is infallible but I don't think so. I felt he dropped the bag with such terrible writing at the end. EM could have been good if it was written well but it wasn't at all. It was a toxic relationship from both parties.
Wasnt there a panel back in 2018 teased as part of the ending by Isayama? I believe it was a person holding a baby and saying "You are free". Sure, if Eren and Historia were to have a baby it could be used to re-activate the rumbling but I believe the whole point is that it wasn't needed in the original ending planned for this show. Think about it, Eren dying and Historia giving birth to their baby as the father is getting killed after wiping out almost all of human race. Imagine Eren succeeds in this ending, achieving peace for the world. Their baby would be born in a place free of hate and wars, and this panel could very well be Historia holding the baby and saying "you are free." And what would be the name of that baby? Albert Einstein. No, but really. What other name could it have if not Ymir? From Eren's side, naming the baby Ymir would have significance in finally giving her a second chance after 2000 years, and from Historia's side it would be a nod to her dead friend, in which case you could think the baby would live based on her ideals of staying truth to oneself. Also, even with Eren dead in this ending you could still think of him to be "alive" since he would live in his baby's blood. Think about it, Eren and Historia were characters hyped for three whole seasons (talking about anime here because I don't know the exact manga chapters), why would ANYONE let that go to waste? I want to believe in Isayama and think this whole shit show of an ending was the work of something happening behind the scenes, maybe some trouble with the editorial higher ups or something that, thanks to the japanese way of being, it would've force Isayama to "bend the knee" in favor of sales and money. Whichever was the case, I believe we won't hear the details in a very long time, IF we ever get to know them. I'm convinced Eren and Historia loved each other, but their love is different and more complicated to what the "average" viewer of a shonen expects, so they forced him to favor Mikasa which is a more "uwu" kind of love. But then,you have Isayama showing Ymir's """love""" for King Fritz at the same time and you just contradict yourself in a very hypocrit way. These kind of contradictions are what make me believe that there's something else going on we don't know. Maybe they forced Isayama to leave the door open for a sequel, and this shitty ending was the only way he could see that happening. I don't know, either way, Historia having Eren's baby will be forever my head canon and no one can stop me.
It's not about romance nobody gives a shit about the ship in itself. People immediately disregard everything you say if you were not happy with the ending as just some butthurt shippers that didn't get what they wanted. What we are dissatisfied with is the abandonment of an interesting character and symbolism. Eren and historia , mirrors the devil and Ymir, adds more depth to previous conversation, more depth to her saving his life and convincing him about " fuck humanity", more depth to " you're the worst girl", More depth to the pregnancy " plotline" More importance to the baby and actual understandable reasoning to genocide More importance to the queen of paradis position in waging war against the rest of the world. More Importance to historia and ymir the slave, connection ( not just the name "historia" that never even makes any sense or is explained ) Like Mikasa is supposed to be the person Ymir was supposed to project herself him? There's literally a girl that the story makes sure you know is named after the founder. And parallel to Ymir aways wanting to be kind and serve everyone, according to historia sister. Eren and historia puts interesting points in the ending. Mikasa and Eren, makes the ending unsatisfying and a dumb romantic way to" free" ymir. That makes zero sense or is foreshadowed. And honestly Mikasa dealing the final blow on Eren so that she can be free of her unhealthy obsession to free Ymir, doesn't mean much if Eren actually liked her back . Nothing can convince me the author was set on making historia be sidelined and everything revolving around on Mikasa. To me he planted the seeds to both. Mikasa and her headaches, And Historia and her parallels to Ymir. In the end both feels pointless Mikasa headaches and the whole "waiting for you 2000 years" thing is never fully elaborated and makes narrative sense. And Historia 's name and parallel to the founder , Her friend being called ymir, her mysterious pregnancy and confusing due dates, her interactions with eren, and being the only one Eren explains the plan to aside from floch. Unfortunately AoT didn't stick the landing. Fuck, i would take even a love triangle over that half assed confession to Armin and reasoning behind ymir curse being broken.
Damn, u even said “dumb romantic” between Mikasa and Eren, u here kid was trying to convince and tryna find a problem on Mikasa. Sure, Historia was actually making sense if she will be with Eren, but none of that is gonna happened. Cause the thing is, Eren fell in love with Mikasa. I don’t think it doesn’t show *at all* to romance but it does focus a bit to put every theme in the show to make it feel more interesting. Eren and Mikasa has a very deep loving ship that people can’t handle the cuteness and how sad it was. Neither me.. They’re not dumb, they’re soulmates fr. Eren teaches Mikasa how to live, and Mikasa teaches Eren how to love Eremika has proven that they know they will love eachother even tho they haven’t seen eachother no more. Ofc when Eren see his future, he will know that he will die soon. U expect they will have a good ending, run away together while have no enemies anymore? It always ends with a bad ending. I feel you, but u have to understand how hard Eren walks thru the path *oh shit..didn’t know I arrived this long, worth it!*
I'm a person who reads / watches a story for something that makes sense. EM's relationships don't cause they never developed, but EH's one changed from Eren's hostility towards Historia to his desire to protect her. She saved him emotionally, morally, spiritually, made him want to live on again, because he was the first man who accepted and liked her true nature Here are some Erehisu parallels, similarities, and things making them opposite: 1) last Carla's words to Eren: "live on!" - last Alma's words to Historia: "if only you have never been born" 2) Eren: kidnapped in season 1 by Annie - Historia: kidnapped in ova by criminals (Eren is the only one who wants to save her) 3) Eren: kidnapped by Reiner in season 2 - Historia: kidnapped by Ymir in season 2 4) Eren's words touch Zeke - Historia's words touch Frieda 5) Grisha talks to his comrades, says he desires to protect Eldia, Dina tears up - Eren talks to his comrades, says he desires to protect Historia, then she tears up too (Yaeger and Ymir Fritz's descendant) 6) Zeke touches Eren's forehead to show some memories - Frieda touches Historia's forehead to erase her memories 7) both are kidnapped by Rod in season 3 8) fathers are killed with their own hands 9) Eren claims that he has the right to be born into this world - Historia thinks she doesn't deserve to live 10) their fathers want them to turn into titans 11) Falco tells Eren he doesn't want the girl he likes to become a shifter - Eren tells Historia he doesn't want her to become a shifter 12) mothers are killed in front of Eren's and Historia's eyes 13) he is a devil - she is the worst girl 14) Eren and Historia switch places when he wants to be eaten and she wants to live her life 15) both say: I will destroy the world (Eren during the fight with Annie, Historia in the cave) 16) both formed their worldview from books 17) both have those who want to protect them (Mikasa and Ymir) 18) they were named after another person (Eren: Kruger - Krista: a girl from the book) 19) he has the power of the founding titan - she has royal blood (together they are a clue to saving the world) 20) both have elder half-brother and half-sister (on the father's side) loving them 21) the name Crista is a symbol of Historia's desire to be accepted by others and gain their admiration - Eren calls himself Kruger to be accepted by enemies to gain their trust 22) both wake up and say they saw a dream but don't remember what it was about And the cherry on the top: 23) Historia hit Levi who hit Eren🤭 Also, the endings with erehisu where he's imprisoned in the cage and she's drowning have so many similarities. There's a video in TH-cam comparing these 2 songs + it's too strange AOT prequel had the main couple of dark-haired simple boy and a girl-aristocrat with blond hair
I know Erehisu have so much more potential that that stupid simp of Eremika, that doesn't make any sense, but if Eren did all of this for Historia, he would end as a hero and as king. Isayama just wanted to ruined us all..
@@imamultyfandomtrash7233 It's for this and another thousands of reasons that I'm hopeful that there'll be an AOE, because there is a hundred of evidences pointing at it left, right and center! P.S: ARRRGHHH, I HATE when my comments age like milk!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je I'm sure the manga ended the way he did cause isayama teached us a lesson, not to mention the extra pages. The story has come to the conclusion that EM cannot exist and even if eren loves her like the fans claim to, he knows too that his desire for freedom is something that will be overshadowed with mikasa around
Isayama didn’t put all the seeds of eren and historia for the last 70 chapters for nothing and I’m still very pissed we never got the full 130 convo of eren and historia and the fact we never got erens reply to what if I bear a child(puppy dog eyes). Then well eren…… Also never got floch time shard. Furthermore historia wouldn’t need to say well eren with a long pause if he wasn’t the intended partner while they stare into each other eyes as the sun is setting (clearly romantic)If the pregnancy question wasn’t for eren she would have just said eren what if I have a child with the farmer to delay the zeke but that’s not what happened is it. I’m here just so say from an unbiased POV isayama cryptically and if u can read in between the lines showed that eren was the father and some can even say became lovers .Historia didn’t show up in eren friends panel did he not want her to live a long live or was she more then a friend not to mention eren thinking about historia pregnancy question wouldn’t matter to him if he wasn’t the father . Don’t have to agree but I’ve read tough books like asoaif I can easily read in between the lines just like the fake king arc . Then again when u lie about the due date and ur child is born the day of the rumbling it’s already clear as day the father was retconned. Not to mention why eren was present with his hood on when historia approached the farmer. Still in shock we never got there full convo I’m suprised isayama thought we would just forget or something. So I’m expected to believe eren just continued to stare into historia eyes then said Yh go screw the farmer I’ll accompany u with a hood incase he refuses to give u his seed then I will force him .U can be an EM shipper but deep down we all know the baby subplot was retconned along with the themes surpassing father ending cycle of hate Then historia was heavily paralleld to Ymir until it was accc mikisa but only Ymir knows that ond .Isayama never intended to end mikisa up with eren that is why her arc was to move away from him and that’s why she killed him , married Jean and had a child with him in the end .Since u like to talk nonsense em shippers I’ll say it was forshadowed in ch 127 where we saw jeans dream of having children with a women that looked like mikisa behind him .Em was never meant to be that was obvious from the get go that is why it was such a disgusts when eren said those forsaken lies in ch139 (just for her to end up with another man Jean in the same ch)to bad isayama ruined his story too.
I literally went around asking my friends without context is it a friendly thing to ask your friend “what do you think about me having a child?” directly and privately and they were like “well, only if you’re the Ross and Rachel kind of friends …” like dude come on the sunset, the puppy dog eyes, the fact that it’s such a private and intimate moment??? If she was just getting pregnant to get herself out of eating Zeke and Eren has nothing to do with it then she could have said “then I guess I should get pregnant huh” with a lighter tone, or “ok then I’ll stay out of your way” but no she looks at him straight in the eyes and asks “well, Eren, what would you think about me having a child?”
Ahhhh that made me soooooo mad. And I’ve watched a handful of videos trying to make sense of this. Eren’s dad knew Eren wasn’t free but that he would fight for freedom.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 exactly! Revenge and avenging his sister and wife were more Grishas motivations and you’re right Eren was born behind the wall-what freedom??
After watching some theories, I don’t think this will be wasted. While watching AOT I can confidently say I did not feel Eren x Mikasa… maybe here or there but eh. But I could really feel Eren x Historia and was shocked when I looked to the fandom and saw how much everyone hates that pairing.
Crystal clear analysis, even a demonstration one could say, thank you ! To me, the official ending Isayama was forced to go with tarnished Eren, Mikasa, Armin and Historia's characters. But by simply looking back at everything that happened prior to 139, I have a clear head-canon as to how all these characters should have ended their stories. And the one between Eren and Historia is exactly what you explained in this video. I'm looking forward to Requiem part 3 as well as the anime ending because Isayama may have enough influence to go with a much clearer and coherent ending than what he went with (or again was forced to go with) in the manga.
I can imagine in the attack on titan no requiem Historia and their daughter will be eren's reason to keep on living after he destroys the outside world. He will have a hard time recovering from the trauma of taking so many lives as well as his friends.
@@ordinarywriter1852 I hope they do in the epilogue maybe of Eren visiting his friends graves and also him and historia watching their daughter grow up even see their grandkids.
To go along with the idea of Eren showing Historia his visions of the Rumbling, what if he also showed her the unredacted scene of Grisha's massacre in the cave? If Historia saw Freida accepting the deaths of all Paradisans, including herself and all the orphans she would look after as Queen, at the hands of the Warriors for the sins of an empire that's been dead for two centuries, could she agree with his decision to urge Grisha to keep with his plan in his moment of doubt? Could she even be the one to propose it? That would grant her some agency retrospectively and could take the place of the twist of Eren killing his mother.
First saintitchif now you keep spreading the gospel erehisu was not nor ever was about shipping it was about the characters and development as well as themes and erehisu perfectly revolved around those themes
Thanks!! Saintitchief never misses, love his videos and his rant about Isayama killed me lol. I’m glad we have aotnr, cause they will land this story and the characters we love the right way.
Well said. Most of us greatly enjoy and appreciate your videos. It's video essays like this that let me know that I wasn't just seeing details that didn't exist. Not that I'm delusional and staying inside of an echo chamber. This story literally feels like it was rushed and changed by the final chapters. I've watched some videos of people explaining why this ending was perfect and I just can't agree. In my opinion, it feels like there's so many details you'd have to ignore in order to see this ending as perfect. No offense to anyone who enjoyed it
Thanks!! Me too, I’ve watched quite a few videos all trying to make post justifications for why the ending or the five pages were good and I can’t agree. We must have been reading a completely different manga lol. Making these videos helps me cope.
@@ordinarywriter1852 Lol seriously. I also appreciate how you went into depth about Historia and Eren. Most of us weren't shipping Historia and Eren just for the romantic aspect, that would be so shallow. The point is that their potential relationship (whether romantic or as comrades) definitely seemed like it was going to serve a greater purpose. That greater purpose being a connection to Ymir, ending the Titan curse, and ensuring the future of Paradis and remaining Eldians. Every time I would see a " You're just mad that your ship didn't happen!" I was just screaming "IT'S NOT ABOUT A ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP" in my head. I don't know how anyone can deny that there were hints about Eren and Historia doing something big. Unfortunately I can't articulate my words or explain these things like these as well as you can. So really, keep up the good work.
@@FatToDaCat yes!! It most definitely isn’t about some shipping war!! I love Mikasa but Isayama neglected her as a character for the bulk of the story and then elevated her out of nowhere in the end. What the Eren and Mikasa shippers don’t realise is that there’s more lives than just romance-Eren and Historia were allies and deeply connected to each other and the story. Makes me so happy to talk to people like you that get it!
@@FatToDaCat Pretty sure Isayama planned for the "Eren is the father of Historia's baby/ErenHisu's child will be Ymir Fritz reencarnation"theories to become Canon in the OG planned ending!
Keep fighting even when we die even after we die what a liar 🤥. U guys in the comments saying eh weren’t endgame they were meant to be and u domt believe so just remember mikisa still didn’t end up with eren she ended up with Jean who she showed 0 intrest in . Same with Ymir loving the king . Eren loving mikisa. Reiner sniffing historia handwriting
if anyone says that those Eren and Historia scenes aren't them having a healthy relationship from friends to people who love each other, they're lying to you and they don't know what makes a good relationship at all.
>use the baby for the Rumbling I don't see why control of Founding would be lost at all. Ymir was freed and agreed with him (pre-retcon). Also, we were told of natural born shifter conditions. The next life among Eldians after Zeke was the royal. A natural royal shifter (beast) would potentially not even require cannibalism. We never had that concept explored (don't know if they are born with the 13 year curse, if it starts the first time they transform, if they have to eat a person to start the clock or if they're exempt for not being barbarians). Could be just tapping the child would re-establish connection (alongside the meme Warhammer cable). >why lie Or look unhappy. What point is there in her not being forthright about the unnamed character (parent to the baby of a supposedly important character **said the author prior to clearly changing the plan**). The War Hammer comes off as hilariously unnecessary (absorbed for what fucking reason without this moment).
I feel you 🥲🥲 knowing there’s other people that feel the same is of some consolation right lol. Check out the aot no requiem part one, it’s given me hope.
@@ordinarywriter1852 we're many :) most EH are fans because of what the pair can do for the story, with nothing coming out of it is just disappointing. And yeah, have read it and it is really good! I am excited on how they'll wrap up the story.
Just do what most people are doing forget the last three chapters and focus on this Attack on Titan no Requiem and make this our cannon ending since we're not going to even look at the last chapters.
@@issrsly I can imagine in attack on titan no requiem Historia and their daughter will be eren's reason to keep on living after he destroys the outside world. He will have a hard time recovering from the trauma of taking so many lies as well as his friends.
Yes!! I’m really hoping they do. I have a list of book/manga and TV character that should have been end game and Eren and Historia are the top of that list, so here’s to hoping hey.
This is a very wonderful analysis. I really love your videos. You should really check out AoTnoRequiem. It's a fan made ending that explores a situation where Eren completes the rumbling. I believe you might be interested in it Edit: I see you know about AoTnoRequiem already 😅. Well then I'll be looking forward to your analysis on it!
Thanks for the encouragement 🙏🙏 I enjoy making them, they help me cope lol. I really like the aot no requiem part one!! It felt like reading canon, they did a great job. And it’s crazy, they didn’t change a whole lot but they were able to lead the characters to ask the right questions and to stay true to their original arcs. The freedom panel gave me chills!!! And seeing Eren’s child self interact with his older present self was just amazing!! Can’t wait to analyse it properly.
You are so right. I didn't ship Eren x Historia at all (because I personally need to feel the chemistry between characters and there is no such thing here, in my opinion ) but I've always been convinced that the most logical thing for us readers was to assume that Eren was the father. I think it's clear that Isayama decided to recon the series towards the end, he retconned Eren and Historia's relationship reducing it to a mere red herring but it's obvious that he wouldn't waste panel time setting up something that wasn't going to play some kind of role in the end, no mangaka would ever draw all that stuff just because when he has deadlines and a story to conclude. Historia's baby was going to play a big role in Eren's plan and this is why they went ahead and decided to have this baby in the first place. It's obvious Eren saw it through paths and told Historia. Historia and Eren were clearly going to have a daughter that founder Yimir would reincarnate into to be reborn as a free person, Eren knew this and so did Historia, them having this baby is a selfless act that they did as trusted allies, which is what they were written to become since the beginning. I think the original last panel is indeed Grisha holding Eren, but I also think that it was immediately preceded by one of Eren holding newborn Yimir and it was supposed to imply that the last message he sent back through paths (before they finally collapse) to himself as a newborn was just that: "you are free", I think it was future Eren's strong emotion in being able to experience real freedom for the first time that left an impression on newborn Eren through paths and that's why he always chased it relentlessly. I think there is a lot of hints pointing to this and it made the most sense, but somehow Isayama decided to just throw that out the window last minute and make Eremika canon. As I said I don't ship anything but it's still disappointing because it impacts the story as a whole.
@@ordinarywriter1852 well ur not wrong but according to isayama armin , eren and historia are important in the story and yams even mentioned of armin and eren not being good friends at the end of the story . but according to u historia is more important than armin . so fuck you
I totally agree with you. But just because the manga is set in stone does not necessarily mean we won’t get to see the original ending. We could get it in the anime adaptation. I know there is nothing to confirm that, but it makes sense to me. Why not release the original ending for the anime, especially with all the backlash?
I think Isayama don't know how much he ruined his own story, if he ever wanted to ruined me in some kind of way, then congratulations Isayama, you just ruined a great story by pushing and rushing a sick relationship between two legal step sibling that could be better left as family. Thank you Isayama, I could be happy with Eren just killing the Marleyan soldiers, releasing the eldianos of Marley, break the Titan power with just that fact and came back to paradise as a hero, get married with Historia and live his last year's as a king. BUT NO! IT WAS TOO DAMN MUCH TO ASK FOR IT! THANK YOU ISAYAMA, THIS IS ALL WE GOT AFTER ALL THIS YEARS, THANK YOU FOR MAKING ME WASTE MY TIME!!!!
i wonder if the last panel of hisu in 130, historia asking eren what he thinks of her having a child, was a different scene that came later. i also wonder what were the unrevealed floch, historia abd hange memory shards about..
@@ordinarywriter1852 The only thing we can do is hope to see if these moments would be fully shown in the anime and, to me, the only thing which will make me believe that will be an exclusive ending for the anime (which I think it could be very, very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY hard to happen) is finishing that chapter 130 talk between Eren and Historia with Eren answering Historia's ask of having a kid making Eren the father instead of the farmer!(which means that the anime will go with ANR theory route which is Eren going 100% Rumbling instead of 80% and the Alliance dying) P.S: And I think that Floch shard was him discovering that Historia is pregnant with Eren's child and him gaining conviction to join the Yeagerists (which happened in AOTNR)!
Thank you 🙏 I just read it and wow!!! It doesn’t feel like a fan edit, it feels like canon!! I’m very excited to read the others parts!! What did you think?
I won't forgive them, I won't forgive them, I will never forgive EMs if the perfect ending vanished just because they wouldn't get what they want. F the fanservice, all we care about is a ship that will make the story progress while following the themes of aot at the same time
It's important to remember it was Historia herself who "initiated" the pregnancy by asking Eren about having a child - she hated the pressure she felt from the 50-years plan and everyone expecting her to bear children out of necessity for "the greater good", and she hated that she would be forced into something not of her own free choosing. So she decided to "usurp" that choice from the military - they were the ones who would force her to have a family (apparently with a political match they would be choosing for her) for the sake of their plans, so she took that choice back for herself by having a family of her own volition and not for any plan (this is similar to how she "usurped" the choice of becoming a Queen from the military in the Uprising arc - they wanted her to become their puppet queen to serve their regime plans, while she became Queen to serve her own wishes and goals instead), and did so with a partner she chose herself - at this point in time Eren's the closest friend she has, and considering all they went through together in Uprising, as well as Eren continuously standing up for her in public meetings, and so it makes sense he would be the partner she picks. Eren meanwhile obviously cares a lot about her, as shown when he hid important military information for her sake, as well as him constantly bringing up her safety during the timeskip - ever since Uprising it's clear they built a close bond, which isn't a stretch when you consider Eren in Liberio shows he associates romantic love with wanting to protect a girl from becoming a titan, while he did exactly the same with Historia (And remember !! Eren having a flashback of Historia asking him what he thought of her having a baby when he visited her before leaving for Marley while Zeke is talking about Mikasa possibly liking him.. Also the baby being born on the exact day of Rumbling.. Historia lying about her Pregnancy date to Levi , Eren waiting outside the barn while she talks to Farmer-kun??? Why include all that if it wasn’t going to lead anywhere) As for why he would become a father when he's going off to do the Rumbling - Eren is a natalist, like his mother, and believes children being born is a special thing regardless of circumstances, so his own circumstances and actions wouldn't deter him from having a child because in his eyes they don't matter in the face of being born into this world. Anyway, Eren being a father is what would make him double down in his determination and decision to live through the hell he's about to endure (tying into Kruger telling Grisha he needs to love someone inside the walls/"have a family" in order to fully commit to ending the cycle, which is what we would've seen with Eren here). Eren saying "You Are Free" to his own kid would make so much more sense than Grisha saying that to Eren when we all know damn well that isn't the truth.. Getting The Children Out Of The Forest/Children Surpassing Their Parents was one of my favorite themes of AOT (just like "Bystander" was one of my favorites episodes from AOT) It was shown to the audience time and time again just for it go absolutely no where is frustrating and makes me wonder why did i even invest time on this story.. You can clearly tell That Eren and Historia were going to put an end to that theme there are countless evidence in the manga (the "Scrapped" final panel even confirms that )and you can see that in the anime as well even tho they've tried their best to conceal the evidence by even cutting off Erehisu scenes...ooooof I could literally go on and on about this but what's the point Everything about this story is pointless and meaningless and it's hard to "Accept An End Like That" ...
EH is cool and all but you can never convince me that eren killing his friends makes sense. He could've easily either disabled the alliance titan shifters, or altered their minds, or showed them the future in paths so that they don't try stopping him in the first place.
@@jb-it6en lmfao. the same guy who wants them to be free also locked them in a jail cell a couple of chapters ago? is that not taking away their freedom? by your logic, eren's stance on freedom is contradictory af
@@jb-it6en also, you seriously think that eren is dumb enough to value the temporary freedom of his friends for 2-3 days at most, over lifelong freedom after the rumbling? Even though he does the exact opposite regarding the safety of paradis? gtfo with your nonsense.
I think Eren and Historia were lovers to the end. Actually, if you take everything that happened up until the very end, it is clear that 1. Eren did the rumbling primarily to save Historia. With titan powers they could have defended Paradis, but only the rumbling could save Histora from being used as a weapon. 2. It is very likley that Historias child is Erens child. This is super important, because it means that Eren did the rumbling, not only to save Historia, but to save his own child! So how can we explain the end we got? Actually it still fits in a way. When Eren talked to Armin, everything he said was a lie. Everything about loving Mikasa was a lie. Eren and Mikasa loved each others as brother and sisters, so it was a half-lie. So why did he lie? If he had told the truth, it would have put Historia and his unborn child at risk. If Armin had slipped up and said to anyone that the real reason for the rumbling was to save Historia and her child, they would have become the most hated persons in the world. So Eren took the secret of his and Historias love with him to the grave. I am not sure if this is Isayamas intention, but this is at least how I interpret the story.
🤦♂️ really he means their relationship was meant to be pivotal to the ending of aot . But obv we know it was retconned and the whole ending was changed
also why just not wait for eren to do the rumbling and then have a baby with eren* when everything was safe? why is the rush? what significance does it hold to the ending? just so eren wuold carry the child and tell him he is free? after all the kiling hes done? what kind of message is that ? btw i dont mind the theory that eren complete the rumbling but for that he have to suffer consequences by either die or live alone and miserable not to go back to his wife and baby as if he was on abusiness trip and dont tell me hes gonna be sad and visit their grave cuz being sad but have your family around you to cheer you up and going on with your life is not even remotely equivelant to the catastrophe he has made ... i agree yam should have completed that secene btween E and H and there are many missing points that should be fulfilled and justified with anything other than blessing a mass murderer and a genocider with a happy safe family
@@chlsfd Isayama was the one to write chemistry between these two, parallels, foreshadowing, bond and narrative connection (with Ymir, zeke, frieda, dina, grisha, freckled Ymir, carla, niccolo, sasha, falco, gabi). The fact you can't see not only subtext but even context is your problem I suggest you to read "eren and historia: in-depth analysis". After seeing this article you'll definitely have delusions about your ability to understand the story
@@annett5 what chemistry. he build up the relationship for friendship not going beyond that is not yams problem. it's yours coz you fed your head with such delusions
I laugh because I know these are fan dreams 😂. Eren loves Mikasa more than Mikasa loves him 😏👌🏻 Also Eren in tears: I love Mikasa, I always loved her, I don’t want to die, I want to always be with her, I don’t want her to find another man, I want her to think only about me, even after my death! ❤..... AOT manga chapter 139..
@@historiareiss8750 foolish one. Reiner is Isayama's favorite man and mine as well, too. Guess what? Reiner and Historia are not main characters in AoT story. Aot started with Eren, Mikasa, and Armin and it ended with them. That's hard pill I had to swallow after expecting the final battle and clash between Reiner and Eren which I thought from AOT Final Exhibition. It is similar to Aot music video which is the foundation of AnR "THEORY". Once again I repeat, "THEORY". Like I said, it will never happen and it indeed never happened. You can seek "retcons" all you like but Isayama finished this story one year ago and not once that he stated his regerts over his ending and you know why? Because that's what he intended to end his story. Only thing he regerted about his story is that he did not explain his themes maturely (armin and that he thanked eren for genocide for example). My advice? Accept the ending and move on.
I read the stories and i liked it, i love the idea of Eren being the King of Paradis and ending his and Historia's character arcs as King and Queen of Paradis ruling the last remaining nation on the world and raising their daughter (giving the theme of "The Sins of the Father" a worthy conclusion) was a more deserved conclusion to their characters rather than Eren suffering character assassination and Historia being in love with her bully!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je my favorite parts are Eren visiting his friends Graves. But also the knowledge that historia and his daughter are his reason for living despite what he's done. I also love the interaction between him and historia.
Practically everything points to Eren and Historia.
The boy who wanted to save humanity and the girl who wanted to help everyone ends up being the ones dooming the world for their own selfish happiness.
The girl who was unloved and unwanted having a child she intends to love regardless of the curses and judgment of the world while its father wreaks unholy havoc on the rest of mankind in the name of securing this one being's future, freedom, and happiness--at the cost of everyone else's.
Let's not forget Eren's last monologue and pov was in chapter 131 where all his motivations were shown (the final is an Armin's point of view, so eren might lie to his friend). The last thing to reveal was the identity of the baby's father and the fact that eren listened to Kruger's piece of advice to make a family. That's what should have been drawn and written in the last 2 chapters, not the trash we saw
Wanting his friends to be the world's heroes is one of the biggest retcons in this story and the funniest one cause sasha, hange and floch are dead even though he could just have gone with Zeke's plan and saved them all. He cared about nobody but them, so why did he have to save the island and its inhabitants? His friends are the only ones to protect, aren't they?
This video deserves several thousand more views. From a fellow individual with no skin in the shipping game, thank you for helping me to not feel like I'm alone and crazy. I can't understand how we as readers couldn't have drawn the exact conclusions you illustrated here based on the actual narrative elements we were given in this story.
Ohhh thanks for the support 🙏🙏🙏 we are not crazy! We just expected more from the ending based on what the story had given us from the beginning.
Let’s be for real
“Your the girl who saved me that day. You’re the worst girl in the world.”
In any other anime or manga, that quote alone puts Eren x Historia as canon.
Facts .
Ahaha stay mad 😂😂 eremika on top. Erehisu was never meant to happen
@@abdo2004 lol cope and seethe that you have the inferior ship even with canon
@@dbelow_1556 ahaha erehisu fans mad😂😂😂😂
@@abdo2004 eremika ruined aot cope lmao.
I completely agree with everything you say! He makes a deliberate effort to develop Eren and Historia and it literally all goes to waste in the end. He does exactly what he said he wouldn’t do.... sacrifice Historia. Why was he lying to every character for so long in the manga? We as fans have to either accept the fact that Isayama is a terrible writer and developed E+H as a red herring to ...?? Something. Or he developed them with a plan (E+H) endgame and he retconned them at the end. Now it’s pretty obvious from any chapter involving Grisha, Zeke or Eren Kruger that Isayama is an amazing writer so what’s left....
I don’t know what say but after reading manga and additional pages correct me if I am wrong but Now I felt like we still have the animated left coming this winter.
Nope it wasn’t a red herring they were meant to be it’s clear as day retcon .
@@lxfj2128 what you mean about that?😧
@@Enzomoya2024 read the upper fucking comment or watch the video
@@lxfj2128absolutely spot on it’s literally in the story clear as F day but people love to be in blue pillsim denial gaslighting themselves to death 💀 thinking a F…ing SISTER FETISH IS BETTER THEN A DEEPER man and women better chemistry plot with a baby in secret darth Vader style
Yeah no one cares about a deeper meaningful traditional tragic plot anymore it seems this timeline of ours has really FETISH SIMPED OUT People BRAINS BADLY.
But hey it’s all good I’ll be adding in my interpretation to the final when it comes out with eren X christia so it’s all good.
With that said yeah iam really REALLY STARTING TO HATE MIKASA and her reasoning for being created in the story to begin with and I can’t believe iam going to say this but i think iam starting to hate mikasa more then I hate Rey of that fake sequel Star Wars because of the more deeper plot mikasa sabotaged of a more emotional chemistry and baby plot that would have ended the series on a deeper higher tragic note
ugh. 😑
Eren was never willing to sacrifice historia he refused. But he was more and ok with sacrificing his friends even armin and mikisa.even Jean pointed it out saying eren put your lives in danger to rescue him in marley and even when the jaegerists bombed Zachary mikisa and armin almost got caught up in it. Eren main goal was to not sacrifice historia or paridise
Yes yes!! Such a shame that Eren and Historias characters and narrative suffered all to usher in a second generation.
Exactly to claim eren did all of this for his friends ignores so many things post timeskip were he almost got them killed ether directly or indirectly.
i mean, he did see the future when he kissed historia's hand, so he knew his friends would survive after all that shit anyway.
@@Martin-fe1qc the problem is then a lot of what he said and did during the timeskip doesn't make since in that context
@@thatoneblackdude3333 can you give examples of stuff he said? I dont really remember much lol.
the group pic in ch130 pretty much confirmed that eren doesn't think of historia as just a friend because she was the only one who wasn't on the pic. also, in the anime they changed eren's lines to falco; eren says his letters didn't reach his family but they got to his friends. now obviously eren's only living family are mikasa and zeke but we know that eren's letter reached mikasa/the SC and that zeke was in on his plans of the marley attack. so that again seems like a hint at Historia carrying Eren's child.
Yes!!! Exactly. There were so many hints throughout the story. Such a shame. In my head Eren and Historia will always be canon and I think the aotnr fan edit is going in that direction, so there’s hope!!
@@ordinarywriter1852 I hope I'm not asking too much, but the you think you can do your own ending and have historia it and there and the parents and the end. Because I like your idea.
@@myaparker5510 thanks 😊, I’m already working on a short story alternate ending for an Historia and Eren ending.
@@ordinarywriter1852 Sweet, please let me know when you do it on this comment.
I mean, she might not have been in the pic cuz she was doing queen stuff? idk. And besides, I guess her survival was pretty much always guaranteed and she was always going to live long so there'd be no point of her being in the pic. But hey, idgaf about ships lol.
So much respect for u making this . It was obvious this was the real original ending . Whether it was because certain fans and fans ppl complained and it got changed to this shitshow of an ending that ruins the series heavily for me . Eren historia carried surpassing the father themes leaving children out of the forest . Living for urself. Enemies of humanity. Symbolism of girl making deal with devil offering the fruit . But oh well ending got changed to the ackerman and alliance wank show. Eren historia whole relationship was clearly retconned. It’s clear to see isayama or kodanshana clearly ruined the ending purposely
Thanks 🙏 absolutely, they carried so many themes and it was a relationship that was going somewhere. Lol the Ackerman alliance wank show indeed.
To be honest, Eren and Historia makes more sense than Eren and Mikasa!
It's funny how the ship that makes the most sense story-wise is also the most hated among the fandom! As someone who only has half knowledge of AOT, the pairing does make sense. Why would Isayama take the time to develop the friendship/relationship between Eren and Historia if he didn't originally plan it to be endgame? And why place the importance on Historia's pregnancy if the farmer was truly the father? And why would Eren entrust his plan to Historia and not Mikasa nor Armin? Those are just my musings.
It's popular only because mikasa is very loved by the the fans who wish her to be happy (with eren oc) and live long. But I swear if mikasa weren't the main female character, most of the fans would hate her or were pissed off by her
Idc what the fan felt, but that doesn’t mean this ship is mostly *SENSE* because as far as I know,
Eren just want to protect Historia he tries to say that he will be anyone and she’s free to do anything whatsoever. But that doesn’t mean that Eren completely loves Historia because there’s some chapter in the Manga (I don’t remember much but this is what I face for importance) that Historia
Want Eren to help her to save (random)
Eren was speechless because Historia asked her he have to do what he gotta do because he’s the Titan. She also used him sometimes.
(I’m not completely sure but this is like my 99% sure)
Eren loves Mikasa because she knows who he is, not what he does..well, sadly in the manga they will never see eachother again.
Honestly, just give Mikasa a chance, she has been through a lot and Eren helps her how to live, and she teaches him how to love.
They’re completely soulmates🥺
@@GlimmeringZoeyEren gave zero fucks about Mikasa’s safety when attack on Liberio occured. He used her.
@@difluenzaBro you erehisu shippers are the most stupid people I've encountered in a fandom
BECAUSE HISTORIA IS THE QUEEN. HE TOLD HISTORIA HIS PLANS BECAUSE HE NEEDED HER TO CONTINUE RULING THE PARADIS ISLAND AFTER HE DIED LMAO. YOU'RE ALL DELUSIONAL
Farmer kun only dialog : come inside historia, we need to take care of your body.
I am fairly convinced the ending would be either Eren or Historia holding their child and saying: "You are free..."
And the childs name would have been Ymir.
Which would have completed Historias emotional arc with her Ymir (her friend) and Erens philosophical arc with his Ymir (the slave).
Instead we got an out of nowhere romance between Mikasa and Eren and a Historia that serves no cruicial purpose.
The sad thing is i rewatched the whole anime before chapter 130 was released. Watching it in a row made it so obvious how much Eren and Historia compliment each other. I've never been a shipper, but for some reason i was instantly sold on the idea of those two ending up together, because it made sense.
This could have been such a great end to a sad and beautiful story.
I feel the world was robbed of something great.
Btw: How can anyone think Historia even likes the Farmer? The look she gives him everytime she sees him is so cold and full of hidden disgust. That is not the look you give your beloved baby dady. That is the look you give to someone you can't stand, but tolerate to keep up a facade.
IKR..?! And it's somehow even poetic..like even the idea is just brilliant
The devil reunites with his queen who accepts what Eren is doing because she knows that he has no other choice..
i can't beleive that Isayama didn't think of that because he definitely did..
I watched the anime and just finished s4p2 but I never saw romance between Eren and History. I only see platonic friendship and I can’t even understand how people ship them. Like neither Eren nor Historia seems to be interested in the other romantically ever. Eren been the father is even more ridiculous. It’s like he just told her he’s going to destroy the world and historia will be like let’s have a child together then go destroy the world and die in four years. Also Eren after trying to have a child with Historia knowing he’ll die in four years went on asking Mikasa what he is to her and even asking Zeck about her feelings. This is just not Eren and it wouldn’t make sens. This show is not even about romance yet people are so obsessed about it. In the end of the day it’s the author’s work and he knows his story and the characters he created more then anyone and so ended it has it should be. People are free to write their own fan alternative ending to satisfy themselves though. But the author’s ending is and will always be the ending as the author’s begging and all the between will always be the beginning and between whether people like it or not is opt to them. Btw there is a fan ending called Attack on Titan No Requiem where Eren and Hostoria is made ship so anyone who want to satisfy themselves about EH being lovers can check it out.
@@arrow4308 @Saliou Barry The final episode showed Eren asking Mikasa from her POV not his. He asked her to see whether her answer will differ from his memories or not.
Eren out of all the things to think about before all this destruction starts he thinks about Historia, and his conversation with her where he reveals everything. He had 0 use for her since she was mainly a figurehead queen. Yet he does this because he feels closer to her than everyone else. Hanji uses Historias name to trigger eren in jail. All their other interactions, eren seemed more comfortable with her than Mikasa who was like an overbearing mother to him throughout.
The conversation with Zeke could be just taken as him gathering info on the Ackermans super strength and Mikasas disturbing level of codependency on him, which he wanted to beat out of her.
Why is eren being the father crazy? There could have been a different ending planned if he was the father where he survived. Or just him doing something selfish and trusting Historia to take care of the child while he makes sure they can live peacefully, which would have given him more of an incentive to do the disturbing rumbling. Not to mention the amount of important screen time given to historias pregnancy and eren. While all this could have ended in one episode if the full plan was to make a no name farmer the father. No need to have repeatedly shown her to be miserable when she looks at him. Plus the kid was definitely gonna be named Ymir. Which would have been neatly tied up as both parents honouring freckled Ymir and Ymir Fritz.
But all this development was scrapped at the last moment for Eren Mikasa romantic endgame where the only development they had was a one sided pining by Mikasa. Eren historia had more positive development than most anime couples will ever receive.
@@sumukhsai2097 That’s a lie. The scene in the final episode was not Eren asking Mikasa from her POV. That’s just what you convinced yourself to satisfy your EH yearning and father headcanon theory. The last scene between Eren and Mikasa was Eren and Misaka’s final interaction. When Eren went to see his friend, he interacted and had a moment with each of them in the path but he erased their memories so they would only remember after his death. We were showing this with his conversation with Armin in the path at the beginning of chapter 139. After Eren’s death everyone of them( Jean, Conny…) remember that’s why they were crying so much and Mikasa asked Armin if he also remember their last conversation with Eren when he came to see them. But Mikasa is an Ackerman so her memories cannot be altered that’s why Eren waited until the last minute(unlike his other friends) to take her in path and live his fantasy of ‘’if she gave a different answer’’. In his fantasy, he would not do the rumbling and would run with Mikasa to live his last 4years in piece. Mikasa was living that moment with Eren in the path at the same time the fight was happening here( an instant in the world is years in the path everyone knows this) that’s how she knew Eren was in the mouth and when Eren died in the world, he also died in the path with her and she said ‘’ See you later Ere’’. The same line she said in the first chapter in young Eren’s dreams. It’s a loop, Young Eren in the first chapter was seeing his life defile before his eyes in a form of a dream including his last moment with Mikasa, the last thing he heard ‘’See you later Eren’’ and the last image he saw( Misaka with short hair) that’s why he asked her why her hair was short when he wake up.
This unlike your baby father drama theory( which I won’t be discussing because it’s already confirmed his not the father and I’m tired of it) is written by the author himself so if you don’t want to acknowledge what the authors wrote, that’s on you. You can continue convincing yourself whatever you want but Eren and Mikasa’s love is not one sided. They both loved each other and wanted to be with each other unlike your EH ship. EH never had romantic feeling for each other, they only had a friendship which was very clear. And you wanna force them to be in love with each other and have a kid together in your headcanon lol.
I won’t be writing about the other parts of your comment because it’s already all answered in the manga so I don’t know why you continue clinging to your wrong theories.
@@arrow4308 Do you like read the shit before arguing or just try to pick beef with anyone who doesn't recognise the great EM pairing.
Like ik what happened in cannon jeez. That was not what I said at all, nor was that the point of the video. Everyone knows Historias babby daddy is confirmed to be farmer-kun. The whole point of this was to not waste hyping it so much for the babby daddy to be some nameless character and who she seemed miserable around.
About the whole confrontation in Marley where Eren asks Mikasa why she cares so much. It's literally Mikasa POV thinking maybe if she told the truth this shit wouldn't have happened, while at the same moment eren is thinking about Historia before he begins his assault. Watch E28 of pt2 or chap 130 again.
Yes we know about the final chapter where he gave a majestic sendoff and him wailing around like a piece of shit that Mikasa shouldn't't move on for 10 yrs blah blah. You don't need to remind me of cannon. The ending was trash, the whole pairing and Ymir fritz love parallel from the slavery shit. The whole EM relationship reeks of last minute retcons. Now don't behave like Retcons never happen. If it wasn't it was just trash writing.
You keep claiming EH wasn't romantic. EM was?? Based on what? The last minute decision of Eren telling he actually loves Mikasa but not doing a single fucking thing for 10 years but wants her to never move on. The only thing that happened in the whole show was Mikasa literally running after Eren like a lost puppy and Eren hating the smothering overprotectiveness.
Meanwhile Eren actually has a healthy close relationship with Historia, it comes to a point where Eren can share deep secrets like the rumbling meanwhile Historia cares about Erens opinion on personal decisions like pregnancy when she was ready to sacrifice herself before the talk. It was not romantic maybe but they had a healthy close relationship. Animes don't write romantic relationships. But this was sure as hell was close to one compared to the toxic EM ship.
Don't bother arguing back, when all your arguments lie in because the author said so. I would have been fine with no ships. All platonic from erens view which still makes sense. But ending with EM made absolutely no sense especially when EH had such a close bond.
You love the ending good for you. You may believe the author is infallible but I don't think so. I felt he dropped the bag with such terrible writing at the end. EM could have been good if it was written well but it wasn't at all. It was a toxic relationship from both parties.
Sadly the only defense of this retcon is that Yams intentionally misled for no reason. Which is even worse.
Wasnt there a panel back in 2018 teased as part of the ending by Isayama? I believe it was a person holding a baby and saying "You are free".
Sure, if Eren and Historia were to have a baby it could be used to re-activate the rumbling but I believe the whole point is that it wasn't needed in the original ending planned for this show. Think about it, Eren dying and Historia giving birth to their baby as the father is getting killed after wiping out almost all of human race. Imagine Eren succeeds in this ending, achieving peace for the world. Their baby would be born in a place free of hate and wars, and this panel could very well be Historia holding the baby and saying "you are free." And what would be the name of that baby? Albert Einstein. No, but really. What other name could it have if not Ymir? From Eren's side, naming the baby Ymir would have significance in finally giving her a second chance after 2000 years, and from Historia's side it would be a nod to her dead friend, in which case you could think the baby would live based on her ideals of staying truth to oneself. Also, even with Eren dead in this ending you could still think of him to be "alive" since he would live in his baby's blood.
Think about it, Eren and Historia were characters hyped for three whole seasons (talking about anime here because I don't know the exact manga chapters), why would ANYONE let that go to waste? I want to believe in Isayama and think this whole shit show of an ending was the work of something happening behind the scenes, maybe some trouble with the editorial higher ups or something that, thanks to the japanese way of being, it would've force Isayama to "bend the knee" in favor of sales and money. Whichever was the case, I believe we won't hear the details in a very long time, IF we ever get to know them. I'm convinced Eren and Historia loved each other, but their love is different and more complicated to what the "average" viewer of a shonen expects, so they forced him to favor Mikasa which is a more "uwu" kind of love. But then,you have Isayama showing Ymir's """love""" for King Fritz at the same time and you just contradict yourself in a very hypocrit way. These kind of contradictions are what make me believe that there's something else going on we don't know. Maybe they forced Isayama to leave the door open for a sequel, and this shitty ending was the only way he could see that happening.
I don't know, either way, Historia having Eren's baby will be forever my head canon and no one can stop me.
Agree with all your points!! Thank God for head canon and now aotnr because historia and Eren are end game and farmer kun is not the father!
It was obviously obvious that Isayama planned for Eren + Historia = reencarnated Ymir to be the true endgame!
EXACTLY!!! That was exactly what I thought would happen, it just makes sense, conforms with the themes of the show and is a satisfying ending.
It's not about romance nobody gives a shit about the ship in itself. People immediately disregard everything you say if you were not happy with the ending as just some butthurt shippers that didn't get what they wanted.
What we are dissatisfied with is the abandonment of an interesting character and symbolism.
Eren and historia , mirrors the devil and Ymir, adds more depth to previous conversation, more depth to her saving his life and convincing him about " fuck humanity", more depth to " you're the worst girl",
More depth to the pregnancy
" plotline"
More importance to the baby and actual understandable reasoning to genocide
More importance to the queen of paradis position in waging war against the rest of the world.
More Importance to historia and ymir the slave, connection ( not just the name "historia" that never even makes any sense or is explained )
Like Mikasa is supposed to be the person Ymir was supposed to project herself him? There's literally a girl that the story makes sure you know is named after the founder. And parallel to Ymir aways wanting to be kind and serve everyone, according to historia sister.
Eren and historia puts interesting points in the ending.
Mikasa and Eren, makes the ending unsatisfying and a dumb romantic way to" free" ymir. That makes zero sense or is foreshadowed.
And honestly Mikasa dealing the final blow on Eren so that she can be free of her unhealthy obsession to free Ymir, doesn't mean much if Eren actually liked her back .
Nothing can convince me the author was set on making historia be sidelined and everything revolving around on Mikasa.
To me he planted the seeds to both.
Mikasa and her headaches,
And Historia and her parallels to Ymir.
In the end both feels pointless
Mikasa headaches and the whole "waiting for you 2000 years" thing is never fully elaborated and makes narrative sense.
And Historia 's name and parallel to the founder , Her friend being called ymir, her mysterious pregnancy and confusing due dates, her interactions with eren, and being the only one Eren explains the plan to aside from floch.
Unfortunately AoT didn't stick the landing.
Fuck, i would take even a love triangle over that half assed confession to Armin and reasoning behind ymir curse being broken.
Hard agree
Everything you said is facts behind facts behind facts!
Heck, I would take a Kirito style harem over the AOT ending :)
@@levimachado I wanna flirt with Isayama to see his pain I felt
Damn, u even said “dumb romantic” between Mikasa and Eren, u here kid was trying to convince and tryna find a problem on Mikasa. Sure, Historia was actually making sense if she will be with Eren, but none of that is gonna happened. Cause the thing is, Eren fell in love with Mikasa.
I don’t think it doesn’t show *at all* to romance but it does focus a bit to put every theme in the show to make it feel more interesting.
Eren and Mikasa has a very deep loving ship that people can’t handle the cuteness and how sad it was. Neither me..
They’re not dumb, they’re soulmates fr.
Eren teaches Mikasa how to live, and Mikasa teaches Eren how to love
Eremika has proven that they know they will love eachother even tho they haven’t seen eachother no more. Ofc when Eren see his future, he will know that he will die soon. U expect they will have a good ending, run away together while have no enemies anymore? It always ends with a bad ending. I feel you, but u have to understand how hard Eren walks thru the path
*oh shit..didn’t know I arrived this long, worth it!*
I'm a person who reads / watches a story for something that makes sense. EM's relationships don't cause they never developed, but EH's one changed from Eren's hostility towards Historia to his desire to protect her. She saved him emotionally, morally, spiritually, made him want to live on again, because he was the first man who accepted and liked her true nature
Here are some Erehisu parallels, similarities, and things making them opposite:
1) last Carla's words to Eren: "live on!" - last Alma's words to Historia: "if only you have never been born"
2) Eren: kidnapped in season 1 by Annie - Historia: kidnapped in ova by criminals (Eren is the only one who wants to save her)
3) Eren: kidnapped by Reiner in season 2 - Historia: kidnapped by Ymir in season 2
4) Eren's words touch Zeke - Historia's words touch Frieda
5) Grisha talks to his comrades, says he desires to protect Eldia, Dina tears up - Eren talks to his comrades, says he desires to protect Historia, then she tears up too (Yaeger and Ymir Fritz's descendant)
6) Zeke touches Eren's forehead to show some memories - Frieda touches Historia's forehead to erase her memories
7) both are kidnapped by Rod in season 3
8) fathers are killed with their own hands
9) Eren claims that he has the right to be born into this world - Historia thinks she doesn't deserve to live
10) their fathers want them to turn into titans
11) Falco tells Eren he doesn't want the girl he likes to become a shifter - Eren tells Historia he doesn't want her to become a shifter
12) mothers are killed in front of Eren's and Historia's eyes
13) he is a devil - she is the worst girl
14) Eren and Historia switch places when he wants to be eaten and she wants to live her life
15) both say: I will destroy the world (Eren during the fight with Annie, Historia in the cave)
16) both formed their worldview from books
17) both have those who want to protect them (Mikasa and Ymir)
18) they were named after another person (Eren: Kruger - Krista: a girl from the book)
19) he has the power of the founding titan - she has royal blood (together they are a clue to saving the world)
20) both have elder half-brother and half-sister (on the father's side) loving them
21) the name Crista is a symbol of Historia's desire to be accepted by others and gain their admiration - Eren calls himself Kruger to be accepted by enemies to gain their trust
22) both wake up and say they saw a dream but don't remember what it was about
And the cherry on the top:
23) Historia hit Levi who hit Eren🤭
Also, the endings with erehisu where he's imprisoned in the cage and she's drowning have so many similarities. There's a video in TH-cam comparing these 2 songs
+ it's too strange AOT prequel had the main couple of dark-haired simple boy and a girl-aristocrat with blond hair
I know Erehisu have so much more potential that that stupid simp of Eremika, that doesn't make any sense, but if Eren did all of this for Historia, he would end as a hero and as king. Isayama just wanted to ruined us all..
@@imamultyfandomtrash7233 It's for this and another thousands of reasons that I'm hopeful that there'll be an AOE, because there is a hundred of evidences pointing at it left, right and center!
P.S: ARRRGHHH, I HATE when my comments age like milk!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je I'm sure the manga ended the way he did cause isayama teached us a lesson, not to mention the extra pages. The story has come to the conclusion that EM cannot exist and even if eren loves her like the fans claim to, he knows too that his desire for freedom is something that will be overshadowed with mikasa around
"Those who can't sacrifice anything, will fail to change anything". Wasn't that what you said Armin
Isayama didn’t put all the seeds of eren and historia for the last 70 chapters for nothing and I’m still very pissed we never got the full 130 convo of eren and historia and the fact we never got erens reply to what if I bear a child(puppy dog eyes). Then well eren…… Also never got floch time shard. Furthermore historia wouldn’t need to say well eren with a long pause if he wasn’t the intended partner while they stare into each other eyes as the sun is setting (clearly romantic)If the pregnancy question wasn’t for eren she would have just said eren what if I have a child with the farmer to delay the zeke but that’s not what happened is it. I’m here just so say from an unbiased POV isayama cryptically and if u can read in between the lines showed that eren was the father and some can even say became lovers .Historia didn’t show up in eren friends panel did he not want her to live a long live or was she more then a friend not to mention eren thinking about historia pregnancy question wouldn’t matter to him if he wasn’t the father . Don’t have to agree but I’ve read tough books like asoaif I can easily read in between the lines just like the fake king arc . Then again when u lie about the due date and ur child is born the day of the rumbling it’s already clear as day the father was retconned. Not to mention why eren was present with his hood on when historia approached the farmer. Still in shock we never got there full convo I’m suprised isayama thought we would just forget or something. So I’m expected to believe eren just continued to stare into historia eyes then said Yh go screw the farmer I’ll accompany u with a hood incase he refuses to give u his seed then I will force him .U can be an EM shipper but deep down we all know the baby subplot was retconned along with the themes surpassing father ending cycle of hate Then historia was heavily paralleld to Ymir until it was accc mikisa but only Ymir knows that ond .Isayama never intended to end mikisa up with eren that is why her arc was to move away from him and that’s why she killed him , married Jean and had a child with him in the end .Since u like to talk nonsense em shippers I’ll say it was forshadowed in ch 127 where we saw jeans dream of having children with a women that looked like mikisa behind him .Em was never meant to be that was obvious from the get go that is why it was such a disgusts when eren said those forsaken lies in ch139 (just for her to end up with another man Jean in the same ch)to bad isayama ruined his story too.
I literally went around asking my friends without context is it a friendly thing to ask your friend “what do you think about me having a child?” directly and privately and they were like “well, only if you’re the Ross and Rachel kind of friends …” like dude come on the sunset, the puppy dog eyes, the fact that it’s such a private and intimate moment??? If she was just getting pregnant to get herself out of eating Zeke and Eren has nothing to do with it then she could have said “then I guess I should get pregnant huh” with a lighter tone, or “ok then I’ll stay out of your way” but no she looks at him straight in the eyes and asks “well, Eren, what would you think about me having a child?”
It's cause GAY OE is coming
Not to mention that final panel was also retconned to a middle panel that was so small snd useless
Ahhhh that made me soooooo mad. And I’ve watched a handful of videos trying to make sense of this. Eren’s dad knew Eren wasn’t free but that he would fight for freedom.
It also doesn't make any since for grisha to even say that as freedom isn't nearly of a important theme for him and eren is not free in any way m
@@thatoneblackdude3333 exactly! Revenge and avenging his sister and wife were more Grishas motivations and you’re right Eren was born behind the wall-what freedom??
@@thatoneblackdude3333 the guy was living inside the walls what tge hell was free about him
After watching some theories, I don’t think this will be wasted. While watching AOT I can confidently say I did not feel Eren x Mikasa… maybe here or there but eh. But I could really feel Eren x Historia and was shocked when I looked to the fandom and saw how much everyone hates that pairing.
it’s stupid ☠️☠️
you should replace the “fandom” with eremikas lmao
@@tigrispanthera5496 You are.
@@flyjunior15 yo mama
@@tigrispanthera5496 th-cam.com/video/OWzhBDH4nfg/w-d-xo.html
Crystal clear analysis, even a demonstration one could say, thank you !
To me, the official ending Isayama was forced to go with tarnished Eren, Mikasa, Armin and Historia's characters. But by simply looking back at everything that happened prior to 139, I have a clear head-canon as to how all these characters should have ended their stories. And the one between Eren and Historia is exactly what you explained in this video.
I'm looking forward to Requiem part 3 as well as the anime ending because Isayama may have enough influence to go with a much clearer and coherent ending than what he went with (or again was forced to go with) in the manga.
I can imagine in the attack on titan no requiem Historia and their daughter will be eren's reason to keep on living after he destroys the outside world. He will have a hard time recovering from the trauma of taking so many lives as well as his friends.
Yes! He would hate himself but Historia and their child would be his reason.
@@ordinarywriter1852 I hope they do in the epilogue maybe of Eren visiting his friends graves and also him and historia watching their daughter grow up even see their grandkids.
@@myaparker5510 that will hit me in the feels so much more than seeing poor Jean visit Eren’s grave with Mikasa while she’s wearing his scarf.
@@ordinarywriter1852 Don't remind me of that I want to forget.
@@ordinarywriter1852 by the way I like your videos. I forgot to tell you.
To go along with the idea of Eren showing Historia his visions of the Rumbling, what if he also showed her the unredacted scene of Grisha's massacre in the cave? If Historia saw Freida accepting the deaths of all Paradisans, including herself and all the orphans she would look after as Queen, at the hands of the Warriors for the sins of an empire that's been dead for two centuries, could she agree with his decision to urge Grisha to keep with his plan in his moment of doubt? Could she even be the one to propose it? That would grant her some agency retrospectively and could take the place of the twist of Eren killing his mother.
First saintitchif now you keep spreading the gospel erehisu was not nor ever was about shipping it was about the characters and development as well as themes and erehisu perfectly revolved around those themes
Thanks!! Saintitchief never misses, love his videos and his rant about Isayama killed me lol. I’m glad we have aotnr, cause they will land this story and the characters we love the right way.
@@ordinarywriter1852 his latest vid was just the cherry on top man walked out of his chair reading the current interview lol
Well said. Most of us greatly enjoy and appreciate your videos. It's video essays like this that let me know that I wasn't just seeing details that didn't exist. Not that I'm delusional and staying inside of an echo chamber. This story literally feels like it was rushed and changed by the final chapters. I've watched some videos of people explaining why this ending was perfect and I just can't agree. In my opinion, it feels like there's so many details you'd have to ignore in order to see this ending as perfect. No offense to anyone who enjoyed it
Thanks!! Me too, I’ve watched quite a few videos all trying to make post justifications for why the ending or the five pages were good and I can’t agree. We must have been reading a completely different manga lol. Making these videos helps me cope.
@@ordinarywriter1852 Lol seriously. I also appreciate how you went into depth about Historia and Eren. Most of us weren't shipping Historia and Eren just for the romantic aspect, that would be so shallow. The point is that their potential relationship (whether romantic or as comrades) definitely seemed like it was going to serve a greater purpose. That greater purpose being a connection to Ymir, ending the Titan curse, and ensuring the future of Paradis and remaining Eldians.
Every time I would see a " You're just mad that your ship didn't happen!" I was just screaming "IT'S NOT ABOUT A ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP" in my head. I don't know how anyone can deny that there were hints about Eren and Historia doing something big. Unfortunately I can't articulate my words or explain these things like these as well as you can. So really, keep up the good work.
@@FatToDaCat yes!! It most definitely isn’t about some shipping war!! I love Mikasa but Isayama neglected her as a character for the bulk of the story and then elevated her out of nowhere in the end. What the Eren and Mikasa shippers don’t realise is that there’s more lives than just romance-Eren and Historia were allies and deeply connected to each other and the story. Makes me so happy to talk to people like you that get it!
@@FatToDaCat Pretty sure Isayama planned for the "Eren is the father of Historia's baby/ErenHisu's child will be Ymir Fritz reencarnation"theories to become Canon in the OG planned ending!
Keep fighting even when we die even after we die what a liar 🤥. U guys in the comments saying eh weren’t endgame they were meant to be and u domt believe so just remember mikisa still didn’t end up with eren she ended up with Jean who she showed 0 intrest in . Same with Ymir loving the king . Eren loving mikisa. Reiner sniffing historia handwriting
You only spoke 1 language and that's true facts. Based
wow this was amazing i really enjoyed ur video I love eren and historia sm
Thanks! Eren and Historia all the way. I wish Isayama would just release his original ending under an alias, but even if he doesn’t we have aotnr now.
if anyone says that those Eren and Historia scenes aren't them having a healthy relationship from friends to people who love each other, they're lying to you and they don't know what makes a good relationship at all.
>use the baby for the Rumbling
I don't see why control of Founding would be lost at all. Ymir was freed and agreed with him (pre-retcon). Also, we were told of natural born shifter conditions. The next life among Eldians after Zeke was the royal. A natural royal shifter (beast) would potentially not even require cannibalism. We never had that concept explored (don't know if they are born with the 13 year curse, if it starts the first time they transform, if they have to eat a person to start the clock or if they're exempt for not being barbarians). Could be just tapping the child would re-establish connection (alongside the meme Warhammer cable).
>why lie
Or look unhappy. What point is there in her not being forthright about the unnamed character (parent to the baby of a supposedly important character **said the author prior to clearly changing the plan**). The War Hammer comes off as hilariously unnecessary (absorbed for what fucking reason without this moment).
I agree to all your points. So much soooo muchh wasted potential 😩😩
I feel you 🥲🥲 knowing there’s other people that feel the same is of some consolation right lol. Check out the aot no requiem part one, it’s given me hope.
@@ordinarywriter1852 we're many :) most EH are fans because of what the pair can do for the story, with nothing coming out of it is just disappointing. And yeah, have read it and it is really good! I am excited on how they'll wrap up the story.
Just do what most people are doing forget the last three chapters and focus on this Attack on Titan no Requiem and make this our cannon ending since we're not going to even look at the last chapters.
@@myaparker5510 yes, i'll definitely do that and i'll have the fanfiction 'gods and monsters' in AO3 as my extra chapter/side story. 😂
@@issrsly I can imagine in attack on titan no requiem Historia and their daughter will be eren's reason to keep on living after he destroys the outside world. He will have a hard time recovering from the trauma of taking so many lies as well as his friends.
I think the attack on Titan requiem is gonna to make it happen.
Yes!! I’m really hoping they do. I have a list of book/manga and TV character that should have been end game and Eren and Historia are the top of that list, so here’s to hoping hey.
@@ordinarywriter1852 They kinda left the Bread crumbs in the pictures
This is a very wonderful analysis. I really love your videos.
You should really check out AoTnoRequiem. It's a fan made ending that explores a situation where Eren completes the rumbling. I believe you might be interested in it
Edit: I see you know about AoTnoRequiem already 😅. Well then I'll be looking forward to your analysis on it!
Thanks for the encouragement 🙏🙏 I enjoy making them, they help me cope lol.
I really like the aot no requiem part one!! It felt like reading canon, they did a great job. And it’s crazy, they didn’t change a whole lot but they were able to lead the characters to ask the right questions and to stay true to their original arcs. The freedom panel gave me chills!!! And seeing Eren’s child self interact with his older present self was just amazing!!
Can’t wait to analyse it properly.
You are so right. I didn't ship Eren x Historia at all (because I personally need to feel the chemistry between characters and there is no such thing here, in my opinion ) but I've always been convinced that the most logical thing for us readers was to assume that Eren was the father. I think it's clear that Isayama decided to recon the series towards the end, he retconned Eren and Historia's relationship reducing it to a mere red herring but it's obvious that he wouldn't waste panel time setting up something that wasn't going to play some kind of role in the end, no mangaka would ever draw all that stuff just because when he has deadlines and a story to conclude.
Historia's baby was going to play a big role in Eren's plan and this is why they went ahead and decided to have this baby in the first place. It's obvious Eren saw it through paths and told Historia. Historia and Eren were clearly going to have a daughter that founder Yimir would reincarnate into to be reborn as a free person, Eren knew this and so did Historia, them having this baby is a selfless act that they did as trusted allies, which is what they were written to become since the beginning. I think the original last panel is indeed Grisha holding Eren, but I also think that it was immediately preceded by one of Eren holding newborn Yimir and it was supposed to imply that the last message he sent back through paths (before they finally collapse) to himself as a newborn was just that: "you are free", I think it was future Eren's strong emotion in being able to experience real freedom for the first time that left an impression on newborn Eren through paths and that's why he always chased it relentlessly. I think there is a lot of hints pointing to this and it made the most sense, but somehow Isayama decided to just throw that out the window last minute and make Eremika canon. As I said I don't ship anything but it's still disappointing because it impacts the story as a whole.
There was always chemistry between Eren and Historia, that you couldn't look at him is your problem. For the rest, I agree with you.
that ages beautifully
eremika still trash tho, and ruined the manga
@@ExpoInovacaoOficial fully agree
EH after chapter 139--- *depression*😂
Eh after 139 : my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
Rightly so it was retconned
Totally agree with everything you said
Thanks!!! We’re not the crazy ones lol
@@ordinarywriter1852 well ur not wrong but according to isayama armin , eren and historia are important in the story and yams even mentioned of armin and eren not being good friends at the end of the story . but according to u historia is more important than armin . so fuck you
I totally agree with you. But just because the manga is set in stone does not necessarily mean we won’t get to see the original ending. We could get it in the anime adaptation. I know there is nothing to confirm that, but it makes sense to me. Why not release the original ending for the anime, especially with all the backlash?
I think Isayama don't know how much he ruined his own story, if he ever wanted to ruined me in some kind of way, then congratulations Isayama, you just ruined a great story by pushing and rushing a sick relationship between two legal step sibling that could be better left as family. Thank you Isayama, I could be happy with Eren just killing the Marleyan soldiers, releasing the eldianos of Marley, break the Titan power with just that fact and came back to paradise as a hero, get married with Historia and live his last year's as a king. BUT NO! IT WAS TOO DAMN MUCH TO ASK FOR IT! THANK YOU ISAYAMA, THIS IS ALL WE GOT AFTER ALL THIS YEARS, THANK YOU FOR MAKING ME WASTE MY TIME!!!!
XD
i wonder if the last panel of hisu in 130, historia asking eren what he thinks of her having a child, was a different scene that came later. i also wonder what were the unrevealed floch, historia abd hange memory shards about..
Yes!! I’ve often thought of the far scene was a few different conversations over time. It’s a shame we’ll never know what those memory shards mean 😪
@@ordinarywriter1852 The only thing we can do is hope to see if these moments would be fully shown in the anime and, to me, the only thing which will make me believe that will be an exclusive ending for the anime (which I think it could be very, very, very, very, very, very, very, VERY hard to happen) is finishing that chapter 130 talk between Eren and Historia with Eren answering Historia's ask of having a kid making Eren the father instead of the farmer!(which means that the anime will go with ANR theory route which is Eren going 100% Rumbling instead of 80% and the Alliance dying)
P.S: And I think that Floch shard was him discovering that Historia is pregnant with Eren's child and him gaining conviction to join the Yeagerists (which happened in AOTNR)!
I really love your analysis.
I hope you can read AoTnoRequiem it’s a fanmade comic the part 1 is already out.
Thank you 🙏 I just read it and wow!!! It doesn’t feel like a fan edit, it feels like canon!! I’m very excited to read the others parts!! What did you think?
@@ordinarywriter1852 i cried because the Eren that sought freedom is back
@@ordinarywriter1852 Are you gonna make a video about it
Is there any ongoing? I've found only 2 chapters
@@annett5 Yes part 3 will be released soon
I kneel.
Correct. Stay tuned.
I won't forgive them, I won't forgive them, I will never forgive EMs if the perfect ending vanished just because they wouldn't get what they want.
F the fanservice, all we care about is a ship that will make the story progress while following the themes of aot at the same time
Do you know abt Aot school caste the fake previews, Eren did the kissing meme with Historia
Same
Amazing video
I raise the cap for you
It's important to remember it was Historia herself who "initiated" the pregnancy by asking Eren about having a child - she hated the pressure she felt from the 50-years plan and everyone expecting her to bear children out of necessity for "the greater good", and she hated that she would be forced into something not of her own free choosing.
So she decided to "usurp" that choice from the military - they were the ones who would force her to have a family (apparently with a political match they would be choosing for her) for the sake of their plans, so she took that choice back for herself by having a family of her own volition and not for any plan (this is similar to how she "usurped" the choice of becoming a Queen from the military in the Uprising arc - they wanted her to become their puppet queen to serve their regime plans, while she became Queen to serve her own wishes and goals instead), and did so with a partner she chose herself - at this point in time Eren's the closest friend she has, and considering all they went through together in Uprising, as well as Eren continuously standing up for her in public meetings, and so it makes sense he would be the partner she picks.
Eren meanwhile obviously cares a lot about her, as shown when he hid important military information for her sake, as well as him constantly bringing up her safety during the timeskip - ever since Uprising it's clear they built a close bond, which isn't a stretch when you consider Eren in Liberio shows he associates romantic love with wanting to protect a girl from becoming a titan, while he did exactly the same with Historia
(And remember !! Eren having a flashback of Historia asking him what he thought of her having a baby when he visited her before leaving for Marley while Zeke is talking about Mikasa possibly liking him.. Also the baby being born on the exact day of Rumbling.. Historia lying about her Pregnancy date to Levi , Eren waiting outside the barn while she talks to Farmer-kun??? Why include all that if it wasn’t going to lead anywhere)
As for why he would become a father when he's going off to do the Rumbling - Eren is a natalist, like his mother, and believes children being born is a special thing regardless of circumstances, so his own circumstances and actions wouldn't deter him from having a child because in his eyes they don't matter in the face of being born into this world. Anyway, Eren being a father is what would make him double down in his determination and decision to live through the hell he's about to endure (tying into Kruger telling Grisha he needs to love someone inside the walls/"have a family" in order to fully commit to ending the cycle, which is what we would've seen with Eren here). Eren saying "You Are Free" to his own kid would make so much more sense than Grisha saying that to Eren when we all know damn well that isn't the truth..
Getting The Children Out Of The Forest/Children Surpassing Their Parents was one of my favorite themes of AOT (just like "Bystander" was one of my favorites episodes from AOT) It was shown to the audience time and time again just for it go absolutely no where is frustrating and makes me wonder why did i even invest time on this story.. You can clearly tell That Eren and Historia were going to put an end to that theme there are countless evidence in the manga (the "Scrapped" final panel even confirms that )and you can see that in the anime as well even tho they've tried their best to conceal the evidence by even cutting off Erehisu scenes...ooooof I could literally go on and on about this but what's the point Everything about this story is pointless and meaningless and it's hard to "Accept An End Like That" ...
Love ur voice so much :p kinda offtopic hehe
green eyes soon
EH is cool and all but you can never convince me that eren killing his friends makes sense. He could've easily either disabled the alliance titan shifters, or altered their minds, or showed them the future in paths so that they don't try stopping him in the first place.
Or uses the Warhammer's power to create something to protect them from the Rumbling, like a Bunker, maybe!
He let zeke almost kill levi. Also almost killed the alliance during the rumbling
@@lxfj2128 he knew they would survive because he saw them afterwards in his future memories.
@@jb-it6en lmfao. the same guy who wants them to be free also locked them in a jail cell a couple of chapters ago? is that not taking away their freedom? by your logic, eren's stance on freedom is contradictory af
@@jb-it6en also, you seriously think that eren is dumb enough to value the temporary freedom of his friends for 2-3 days at most, over lifelong freedom after the rumbling? Even though he does the exact opposite regarding the safety of paradis? gtfo with your nonsense.
Eren loves Historia
I think Eren and Historia were lovers to the end. Actually, if you take everything that happened up until the very end, it is clear that 1. Eren did the rumbling primarily to save Historia. With titan powers they could have defended Paradis, but only the rumbling could save Histora from being used as a weapon. 2. It is very likley that Historias child is Erens child. This is super important, because it means that Eren did the rumbling, not only to save Historia, but to save his own child! So how can we explain the end we got? Actually it still fits in a way. When Eren talked to Armin, everything he said was a lie. Everything about loving Mikasa was a lie. Eren and Mikasa loved each others as brother and sisters, so it was a half-lie. So why did he lie? If he had told the truth, it would have put Historia and his unborn child at risk. If Armin had slipped up and said to anyone that the real reason for the rumbling was to save Historia and her child, they would have become the most hated persons in the world. So Eren took the secret of his and Historias love with him to the grave. I am not sure if this is Isayamas intention, but this is at least how I interpret the story.
Ost name?
You are right
wdym by end game??
🤦♂️ really he means their relationship was meant to be pivotal to the ending of aot . But obv we know it was retconned and the whole ending was changed
also why just not wait for eren to do the rumbling and then have a baby with eren* when everything was safe? why is the rush? what significance does it hold to the ending? just so eren wuold carry the child and tell him he is free? after all the kiling hes done? what kind of message is that ? btw i dont mind the theory that eren complete the rumbling but for that he have to suffer consequences by either die or live alone and miserable not to go back to his wife and baby as if he was on abusiness trip and dont tell me hes gonna be sad and visit their grave cuz being sad but have your family around you to cheer you up and going on with your life is not even remotely equivelant to the catastrophe he has made
... i agree yam should have completed that secene btween E and H and there are many missing points that should be fulfilled and justified with anything other than blessing a mass murderer and a genocider with a happy safe family
tbh cant ship historia w anyone after ymir 😭
Cringe.
Historia was irrelevant after S3 part 1...
mikasa was never relevant lol
Based Kino
What is Kino?
Random person on TH-cam: “Eren & Historia were always meant to be end game”
Isayama: No.
W
Call your name= Eren's point of view.
About whom?
Not Historia, that's all that has to be said.
And do not forget about Yuugure no Tori, Memory Lane, Name of Love and some lines of Zero Eclipse, too!
When u said that u thought that eren questioning mikasa about her feelings was to discover his own about historia just says how stupid this is
I only support EreMika not erehisu lol
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@@opie_yt EreMika always😢💔
So? They never really be canon. Jeankasa is did.
@@flyjunior15 do you like EreHisu or JeanKasa
@@mohdimansaifullizan6193 It’s okay to ship what do you want, in fact I like both of them.
Cope.
What??
If ya don't like it, don't watch it.
Eredogkasa jerk and disgusting
Eren and mikasa is end goal
Mikasa and Jean🙂
k lmao eremika solos
Jeankasa canon, periodt
@@annett5 noooo, that wasn't jEaN!!! that aRuMoNg with a late gRowTH sPuRT🤡
EREN x HISTORIA? LMAO. CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE ALL DELULU 😭🤣
You called Isayama delulu too
@@annett5 why blame yams for your own delusions? 😭
@@chlsfd Isayama was the one to write chemistry between these two, parallels, foreshadowing, bond and narrative connection (with Ymir, zeke, frieda, dina, grisha, freckled Ymir, carla, niccolo, sasha, falco, gabi). The fact you can't see not only subtext but even context is your problem
I suggest you to read "eren and historia: in-depth analysis". After seeing this article you'll definitely have delusions about your ability to understand the story
@@annett5 what chemistry. he build up the relationship for friendship not going beyond that is not yams problem. it's yours coz you fed your head with such delusions
@@chlsfd don't you know what chemistry is? Just google
EH shippers are completely delusional it’s unbelievable☠️☠️
No
Literally how
People like you are so toxic, it's unbelievable
EM shippers are completely toxic, obsessive and illogical it's stupid
@@annett5 cry
I laugh because I know these are fan dreams 😂. Eren loves Mikasa more than Mikasa loves him 😏👌🏻
Also Eren in tears: I love Mikasa, I always loved her, I don’t want to die, I want to always be with her, I don’t want her to find another man, I want her to think only about me, even after my death! ❤.....
AOT manga chapter 139..
and that sht was embarrassing 💀. eremikas can have the crying incel eren... he's not a loss at all lmao.
Lmfao be fr that shit was ass idc about nun of the ships but eren sure as hell gives 0 fucks ab mikasa’s feelings trash ass ending
@Erik Kemeey he never directly said that he loved her
@@mochaeko How is that embarrassing? You guys are so mad he loved mikasa and not historia LOLLL
FR LMAO. I LAUGH SO HARD THEY'RE DELUSIONAL THAT EREN AND HISTORIA ARE A THING
Embarrassing. Wake up. The ending isn't retconned. Historia will be side character, always. Dilate. Seethe. Cope. Accept.
go you fans of the ending that is far from everything. Isyama's favorite woman's is historia lol.
W
"you just didn't understand th3 story! watch this 1 hour video to understand! [insert invaderzzz "eren is (not) free" video]
@@historiareiss8750 foolish one. Reiner is Isayama's favorite man and mine as well, too. Guess what? Reiner and Historia are not main characters in AoT story. Aot started with Eren, Mikasa, and Armin and it ended with them. That's hard pill I had to swallow after expecting the final battle and clash between Reiner and Eren which I thought from AOT Final Exhibition. It is similar to Aot music video which is the foundation of AnR "THEORY". Once again I repeat, "THEORY". Like I said, it will never happen and it indeed never happened. You can seek "retcons" all you like but Isayama finished this story one year ago and not once that he stated his regerts over his ending and you know why? Because that's what he intended to end his story. Only thing he regerted about his story is that he did not explain his themes maturely (armin and that he thanked eren for genocide for example). My advice? Accept the ending and move on.
lOL You are rigth AOT suck, There are better things out there.
Hey you should read these two fanfiction stories called
Enemies of Humanity and Winter is Over, Spring is Here by CaptainVerminXXX
Thanks, I’ll check them out for sure
@@ordinarywriter1852 Did you read it?
I read the stories and i liked it, i love the idea of Eren being the King of Paradis and ending his and Historia's character arcs as King and Queen of Paradis ruling the last remaining nation on the world and raising their daughter (giving the theme of "The Sins of the Father" a worthy conclusion) was a more deserved conclusion to their characters rather than Eren suffering character assassination and Historia being in love with her bully!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je my favorite parts are Eren visiting his friends Graves. But also the knowledge that historia and his daughter are his reason for living despite what he's done. I also love the interaction between him and historia.
@@ordinarywriter1852 thanks for letting me know❤! I loved both and they became my fav fanfiction stories in English