what really sticks to me is the fact that isayama named historia as one of the essential characters alongside eren and armin. he really only mentioned eren, armin, and krista by names. so it's interesting how her character then got played out, she's actually necessary to the plot.
Personally, I like this more than Eren and Mikasa, but I was fine either way. Historia proved to be much more than the seeming background character she appeared to be.
Brownsmagic, Saintitchief , and Odin talked about their relationship. Their parallels was so obvious and so crazy how people deny this. They were endgame. There’s no way Isayama just put in Historia’s pregnancy subplot for no reason. That’s Eren’s child, and I’ll die on that hill. It’s also goes against Zeke’s ideology about the Euthanasia plan. It just makes so much sense.
Yh the seeds are there for eh. Even in the au highschool caste historia likes eren and they have an interest dtnsnuc that links to the pregnancy in story. Not to mention the final exhibition eren and historia are basically a couple in it.
Also the japenese kanji save eren used for historia was the exact same nicolo used when saying Sasha saved him. So even that had romantic connotation behind it. Those who know Simple as.
It’s so blatantly obvious that Eren and Historia are canon that you’d have to be willfully ignorant, or invaderzz, to not see that Eren being the father was changed at the last minute. Leaving all the parallels aside, the fact that Eren would rather put his friends in the line of fire over endangering Historia makes this an open and shut case for me.
it isnt just "endagering historia". Eren would act this way for anyone in his friend group. Do you think that he would sacrifice mikasa, armin, or even Jean and Connie if one of them had royal blood? I mean, there is some merit in the issue in general since eren and historia really bonded in the 3rd season, but your argument isnt an argument. If it was supposed to happen and it was changed, it was changed way before the last chapters. The notion that historia simply got knocked up by the first guy that seemed interested in her so she wont be forced to eat zeke and give eren time seems much more likely the way the story eventually went
@@GiovanniGeoexcept when Zeke is talking to Eren about how Mikasa likes him, it flashes up a callback to when Historia asks Eren if it was ok for her to get pregnant, and then flashes forward to Eren cutting off his leg & gouging out his eye, it’s seems pretty clear that Isayama was implying that Historia had a child with Eren. There’s also a character wearing a hood looking at Historia & the farmer guy; Also why would Historia fall in love with a guy who used to throw stones at her? And whenever Historia & the farmer are on screen she never seems happy or content, she looks pissed off and sad all the time It seems clear to me that this was the original plot that was abandoned because Isayama feared the backlash of Eren + Mikasa shippers even though their romance was never developed throughout the entire story, and only ever seemed one-sided
@@justadummy8076 Those were eren's missing memories which were shown to us viewers via flash back. They were in a different episode that the scene with zeke was. I dont know what cutting his leg and gouging his eye has to do. It also showed that he talked to yelena and floch on those scenes. Maybe he was in love with floch after all by your logic? Your reasoning on the first paragraph literally makes no sense. Havent observed the hooded guy. That is because she didn't, he just found someone she knew that he liked her and got pregnant so the police wont get their hands on her and make her eat zeke. That was her deal for helping eren. Of course she was sad, it is almost as if she knew that she was helping eren destroy the entire world by getting pregnant and living with a guy she probably doesn't like. Nowhere in the show is it implied that she fell in love with him.
If Eren saw the future, he might have wanted Historia to be there to guide the island rather than any way too exalted Jägerists that would just likely keep fighting the rest of the world. She had a role to play too in ensuring all their friends could live a good life. He couldn’t save Sascha but he tried to save the rest. Romantic love is not the only answer to why she decided to get pregnant. And it is not uncommon for kids to be dicks to the girls they like to get their attention.
@@GiovanniGeo Yeah, but both Zeke AND Historia were already safe, since the spinal fluided wine was already inside the members of Paradis' military who wanted to Titanize her and the parallels between chapters 89 and 107 + the flashbacks of chapter 130 was basically confirming to the audience that Eren was the father!
EMs & EDs don’t understand that plotchads ship Eren & Historia for their countless amount of parallels, and the theme of "Surpassing the father" as Isayama said in the 2018 documentary when he talked about the final panel of a man carrying a baby and telling them that they're free. Plotchads also ship EH because they have a sense of understanding, appreciation and connection where they recognize that they care for each other and don't want to watch the other suffer. It's all about getting children out of the forest in the end, and not passing the problems on to the future generation. So to have Eren and Historia bring a reincarnated Ymir into a free world where she gets a second chance at life as a free person just feels right.
@@Philthorn The only good thing about the ending was that it proved that Floch was right. And what baffles me as well is how people think that Armin is like Erwin.
Also it makes sense for Ymir to be reincarnated into their daughter narratively and symbolically: - she gets the 2nd chance to live a life for herself, not somebody (a parallel to freckled Ymir's words in ch 40/42, if I recall correctly) - eren freed her, historia had so many parallels with her and a friend's of hers name is ymir - a lot of songs hint at this outcome (call of silence for instance) - titans are gone as the goddess is not in paths anymore - she's the first child to be born into the world without titans, the 2000-year war, free from the walls and being persecuted just because she was born an eldian - ymir finally gets love and family she wanted so bad
@@annett_55555 And another reason on why E + H = Y should've happened: - "That scenery" being Eren playing with Reborn Ymir as his daughter after a full-scale Rumbling and Eren showing this to Grisha and Historia would've explained a lot better why Grisha gave the Attack and Founding Titans to his son and Historia kept secret about the Rumbling plan and asked that question.
Really well done video. Yeah you gotta be blind to not see the huge retcon of the relationship among Eren and Historia and ANR as the REAL ending he planned all along. So disappointing he retconned everything, I truly believe he was forced by editors.
Yea I agree completely im 100% sure he had this ending bit the editors pressured him out of it because they thought it was too dark maybe also feel like they rushed him too bc we don't get to answers to alotta things. It makes sense since even in the case of dbz we know editors have a lot of influence over the Manga artists
@@fly463 wether it was canon or not one of the main reason if merchandising Eren and Mikasa is more popular and would bring more money also GOT disappointment was another reason
Aot ending could have been the opposite of Code Geass. Lelouch sacrificed himself for the world. But then Eren would sacrifice the world for himself and his family. Code Geass and Aot would have been twins with opposite but justifiable endings.
I think that Historia was the real reason Eren did the rumbling, because that was the only way to save Historia from being sacrificed and used as a weapon. I also think that Historias child was Erens, and I do not buy in to the story with the farmer. In the last scene in the anime, when Historia is preparing a meal, we can see 4 plates, so clearly she is not living alone with the just the farm boy. Maybe she is just paying for a room in another family's home. So I believe that Eren lied to Armin about "loving Mikasa" and "being an idiot" in their last conversation. Eren knew very well that he did the rumbling to save his true love, Historia and also his own unborn child! Think about it. But he had to lie about it so that no one would ever blame Historia and their common child, for being the reason for the rumbling.
@@Blu3Moon_III yk what so funny people hating on the ship but it's one of the best written ships in anime. trough the whole series its clear mikasa likes eren but eren don't give the same energy at all. he treats her like his sister all show long, even when she tried to kiss him in season 2 I think he turned away and that was before finding out he was going to die so no excuse of saying he knew he was going to die. he definitely loved mikasa but not in a romantic way like she did. historia on the other hand was way different, he complimented her allot trough the series and showed much care. also I don't think historia is lesbian and if she did like emir I feel like she is bi. BUT she liked Ymir as a person and imo eren kinda resembles Ymir but as a boy, so I isn't weird to assume history really enjoyed his company and they both went trough a traumatic experience which made their bond even stronger, eren is also considered good looking in the series. for eren it also make sense bcs of their strong connection and historia was considered very very beautiful in the series so it wouldn't be weird if he was attracted to her. beside my yapping I did their are obviously big hints in their conversations and small things that hint people felt that they were close, like mikasa being jealous or hange spying on eren and historia's connection
@@walkertalker3232 ok and? I like them because it makes sense for the story and characters. I used to like Eren and Mikasa but then when i saw Eren and Historia had more of a connection I supported that
@@attackontitanbeautytheking2725 No it does not. Eren is about to commit a genocide, they are in a war about survival, they are both barely fully grown up. Historia is about to become a titan. So, how exactly makes it sense for them to start a romantic relationship and have a child? I mean do you think after everything Eren has done he just walks back home and lifes a normal life? After all that killing? Not even Reiner could take it and he did far less evil then Eren.
@@walkertalker3232 Easy. IF Historia will become pregnant no matter what (if not by her will, then by force), then better it would be HER choice with man she choose by herself , man she love (and this is definitely not her childhood bully). Also this way Eren will not just left Historia and disappear without trace like Frida and Ymir did - their child will be part of Eren that stay with her. . To Eren - he can find comfort with only person who really understand and support him and his goal. Selfish worst girl and enemy of humanity
"EM has a mother and son type of relationship", yams kept repeating it for years and those interviews became pointless because (when was it, 1-2 years back i think) he said that it was planned out all along
Well, it is your classic "read from paper" interview. I mean, he cant plan this out all along because he contradict himself What he could say is that he decide to change some details in EM relationship at some point of time and make them different from his original endgame was planed ( it does not mean that Eren must end up with Historia. Eren could stay lone freedom chad in this scenario)
@@Алексей545-т6бit works out in both cases if yams wanted to. Eren and historia are narratively and thematically connected, not over romantized like em. If yams wanted to, anr would've been possible and alive right now, not just a "what if" mv, and sorry, but historia is more of a parallel to ymir than mikasa ever was. If it just hadn't been for that cringy "ymir loved fritz" 🐕 💩 for an excuse to justify "mikasa's choice" Lone freedom chad? Gimme a break
They had the best couple dynamic but noooo, of course it has to be yandere stalking stepsister instead. At this I dont even want Historia to end up with Eren, he became such a laughingstock of an mc.
Should I blame you for this kinda thinking? Hhhhmmm, definitely not Whose fault was it actually? Can't really recall, it starts with an I and finishes with A. Oh yeah, now I remember HAJIME ISAYAMA
The farmer will never be the father and Eren's daughter having brown eyes is just Carla's genes jumping over Eren and onto her granddaughter. This is the hill to die on.
While genetics are way more complicated than the Mendel’s laws we learn in school, brown eyes are dominant, so if Eren was carrying brown eyes genes, they would show. Very unlikely (not impossible but very harsh for a blue/green eyed person and a blue eyed one person to have a baby with brown eyes.
>other similarities Missed some of these. Well played. >forced role as doctor working against his ability to do the mission Ah, yes. Another fine point. >Muv Luv Amusing. I can see the connections. Speaking of influences, familiar with The Eternal Champion as it relates to this matter? Another covering this dropped (formerly canon) hints at it (while another still focused on TEC as it relates to the ending itself). Had been hearing the talk for years (AnR relating to it, I believe) up until things went down, but somehow this other series went under the radar. To think we would end up a daft dork like LeLouch (copying that fool Ozy). If only they hadn't interfered. Having an ending with Mikasa developing such that she matures away from her yandere obsession with Eren, becomes the jilted lover (read: adopted sister zoned) she was meant to be (human princess), opposes him in earnest and chooses to side (and die) with humanity (100% wiped out)? Would have been my cup of tea, indeed.
Yeah after researching and just paying attention to story details, there was way more chemistry and purpose between Eren x Historia than Eren x Mikasa. Mikasa always seemed more like a sister. Eren and Historia definitely would’ve made sense as an endgame couple. They really helped each other grow.
Like if eren only true mistake was his fear from his feelings towards Historia, eren always wanted freedom yet and ONLY out of habit and loneliness since losing his parents he fell for mikasa treachery, since ever she manipulated him into seeing her as a mother figure, protective and attached and she did everything to show him that historia is a no no, eren was put in a bubble of repetitions and habits and he directed those raging feelings for historia into the « freedom quest » mikaka was so good at manipulating him and giving him illusions that he complimented, looked at and got charmed by historia but kept denying his feelings and what happens when you deny your feelings? Anger and depression, since mikaka is there for Japanese fan service, the Asian figure bla bla bla, isayama write something and stated another thing 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
Imagine Eren as a father to Historia's child. Then the child at the end of the series is Eren's descendant. Man!!! I don't hate Eremika please don't come at me ,however, not a fan neither. I know Historia loved Ymir but she is dead I mean 1. Ymir wasn't supposed to be alive at that time anymore she's way too old 2. Jaw titan was stolen 3. It's years before Eren started his plan so by then, pretty sure she'd be dead and there won't be any jaw titan if she dies uneaten. EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I ship Ymir and Historia but I love what happened to them , I love the tragic love they have.
Yeaaaaaaaah, shout-out to we, the bisexual people !!!!!! So I see that you’re a fellow fucking (wo)man/person of culture as well, who supports the Ymir x Historia x Eren Love Triangle toooooooo ? Heck yeaaaaaah !!!!! Amen, brotheeeeeer !!!!!
right? Historia looks bi af, ain't no way she's lesbian! She could love and miss Ymir and coulda start a new one with Eren although it will still be tragic bc Eren had to die and their child will be an heir. Imagine your mom as queen and dad who saved and destroyed the world. UGH wasteddd
Even if that was the case, at least it would make sense to not leave it to chance, it was pointless to say it in canon, cause in the end, that's exactly what he did. He allowed his friends to live their "long, happy lives", therefore leaving the future of paradis to chance, because he only cared about less than a dozen people surviving
There is a theory in anime timeline that it will be different ending. Is says Eldian people will abandon paradis island and start a new life in other places. To prevent actually happen in Manga where paradis was destroyed after the decades.
@@Philthorn That's why it is a theory, If you watch the ending song "akuma no ko." there's a picture there of abandon Paradis Island. I think Historia make that happen since she only ruler of Paradis Island.
@@SanameTvI said don't believe it will be a different ending, that's all. Didn't happen in canon, why should it happen now, doesn't make sense. Paradis was destroyed, not abandoned anyway
It's possible that the deal between the devil and Ymir also played out the same as Erne and Historia. In the end, Erne became the devil so Historia could live free along with his friends.
I think people should take a look at Louise's character and to me its way of Isayama portraying Eremika dynamics in a different perspective. Which is NOT a great one
Yumihisu is plausible and they did have chemistry and have romantic feelings... At least it was clear from ymir's side... But it never evolved as ymir died Yumihisu wouldn't negate erehisu (or farmhisu🤮) as she could've moved on to live happily with whomever she loves later (which ymir would've wanted too). Historia don't have to be a lesbian or straight... She has shown feelings towards ymir... And also eren (my interpretation from manga and anime) or the farmer (implied by stupid drunk mps / canon) she could be a bi Calling people who ship yumihisu (canon and more logical than eremika) is toxic and not very nice.
Well u know the same way people misunderstand eren in 139 when he says beretold was not supposed die that day doesn't meant he save him at killed his mother actually when Dina's titan ignore him it actually behaves like Rod Riess titan which ignore the scouts and moves towards the city inside wall so pure titan with royal blood shows this kind of behavior so eren didn't kill his mother
Nope. This exactly what Eren said - i force her to ignore Bertold in order to kill my mom. This is why Dina titan come into the area with minimal number of people instead of targeting crowds of people who tried to evacuate from Shiganshina
There’s no way you people still believe this shit.. it’s been years the anime has ended. Live your life and come back to the series later with a fresh eye.
I'm just here to laugh at the hopeful comments after the ending finally dropped. As someone who hated Historia purely from a character standpoint, the sounds of crying shippers is the gift that keeps on giving.
Personally, I don't much care for discussing romance possibilities for most male-female relationships in fiction, since a deep and fully platonic friendship can also exist and be beautifully meaningful. I'm certainly not a fan of EreMika, since for me it came out of the blue and seemed to retcon prior events, especially since Eren always behaved like a younger sibling fed up with his older sister's coddling, caring deeply about her but wanting her off his ass. If someone disagrees and enjoys EreMika, I'm glad for them, though, since at least they got some joy from the ending. That being said, I'm also not a fan of Eren x Historia, even if it makes more sense to me than the former. I always felt that Ymir and Historia had something going on together - Ymir was very clear about that and I don't see HIstoria forgetting her either, even when she was already dead. You can love two people at the same time, of course, but I feel that Eren would always come second at best - which also may happen in real life and it wouldn't mean that their relationship was bad or anything. They obviously care about each other. However, I always viewed their relationship as a deep, very particular companionship of two characters who could be their true selves only in front of each other. Bearing their worst, "devil/worst girl in the world" side that no one else (except Ymir for Historia) was privy to. They both had the island's burden on their shoulders and resolve to purposely step away from the righteous path to reach their endgame. They learned about their fears, their weakness, their deepst, ugly reasonings and found true companionship in their real persona unmasked. It could be a beautiful ground for love to blossom, of course - but given how Eren never once showed any romanting inclanations in the series, and Historia's heart most likely forever belonged to Ymir, I think their friendship is incredibly meaningful and lovely even without romance involed.
Dina is Zeke's mother and Grisha's first wife. Carla is Eren's mother, Grisha's second wife. Eren isn't royal blood, Zeke and Historia are royal blood. Eren isn't related to Historia.
they are not blood related, historia's father was royal blood and her mom was a random. erens mom was just a woman and his dad was married to basically historia's distance auntie but that was not his mom so they not related at all
oh, I will have a field day someday, and laugh a second time at all these clowns in this comments section... "themes", "parallels", "romance", "makes sense", "surpassing the father", "plotchads". Isayama didn't just make a dark comedy volume, but he also created a bunch of schizo clowns. Hilarious.
@@chlsfd a lot rn are shaiting that Yams retcon or fake ending bla-bla-bla... seriously, what the f? there are really NPCs who propagate idea that Yams wrote several non canonic chapters as a way to punish the viewers for... not paying attention to the story? Sure, theories and understanding of the story of the entire fandom were 95% wrong, but that's outrageous idea simply from business perspective for KODANSHA. rn they are waiting for AOE in episodic format on 19th nov (or 10th dec if it is weekly), despite the fact that episodic Cour 2 remained unchanged... truly cope never dies... Continuation of the story will happen (eventually), but this cope with Eren x Historia... ha-ha, they are in for a giant jumpscare in the future for sure ;) I bet even after the truth drops about 130 convos, they will start another schizo cope that "in some other timeline things could have been different between Eren and Historia" :D
@@KingBullet123 don’t lie, if you knew that’s how it’s pronounced you would’ve pronounced it correctly like all the other words in your vocabulary. You sir, just earned a dislike.
@@mangonow6350 I’m not crying, are you projecting? I’m calling out laziness and ignorance. I have plenty of better things to do, that’s what I chose to spend 10 seconds out of my day doing, you got a problem with that?
@@friedhotwings Seems like the only one who's projecting is you. Considering you watched the entire video, you're really telling you got better things to do then nitpick? Now there's nothing wrong about that, could've just clarified that all you're doing is complaining and left it at that. But it seems you couldn't and had to get riled up at me finding your "righteous" complaints comical about ignorance and laziness over something so miniscule. I mean if your ego that's fragile I guess I apologize 🤷
God dammit how come I keep discovering these great AOT videos so long after they come out??🫠 Anyway great video. Still baffles me that people think Erehisu was just another ship and that the only reason we’re upset is because it didn’t sail
Man like I re lived AOT
Nice
what really sticks to me is the fact that isayama named historia as one of the essential characters alongside eren and armin. he really only mentioned eren, armin, and krista by names. so it's interesting how her character then got played out, she's actually necessary to the plot.
Yeah, some conclusion she had
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Personally, I like this more than Eren and Mikasa, but I was fine either way.
Historia proved to be much more than the seeming background character she appeared to be.
Brownsmagic, Saintitchief , and Odin talked about their relationship. Their parallels was so obvious and so crazy how people deny this. They were endgame. There’s no way Isayama just put in Historia’s pregnancy subplot for no reason. That’s Eren’s child, and I’ll die on that hill. It’s also goes against Zeke’s ideology about the Euthanasia plan. It just makes so much sense.
Yh the seeds are there for eh. Even in the au highschool caste historia likes eren and they have an interest dtnsnuc that links to the pregnancy in story. Not to mention the final exhibition eren and historia are basically a couple in it.
where to read omg
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Delusional even after so many years
@@billykotsos4642 nah blame Isayama for setting things up without any explanations or payoff.
@@boppinboyz just wait until I release my piece on this. It will show everyone how delusional they are
Also the japenese kanji save eren used for historia was the exact same nicolo used when saying Sasha saved him. So even that had romantic connotation behind it. Those who know Simple as.
It’s so blatantly obvious that Eren and Historia are canon that you’d have to be willfully ignorant, or invaderzz, to not see that Eren being the father was changed at the last minute.
Leaving all the parallels aside, the fact that Eren would rather put his friends in the line of fire over endangering Historia makes this an open and shut case for me.
it isnt just "endagering historia". Eren would act this way for anyone in his friend group. Do you think that he would sacrifice mikasa, armin, or even Jean and Connie if one of them had royal blood? I mean, there is some merit in the issue in general since eren and historia really bonded in the 3rd season, but your argument isnt an argument. If it was supposed to happen and it was changed, it was changed way before the last chapters. The notion that historia simply got knocked up by the first guy that seemed interested in her so she wont be forced to eat zeke and give eren time seems much more likely the way the story eventually went
@@GiovanniGeoexcept when Zeke is talking to Eren about how Mikasa likes him, it flashes up a callback to when Historia asks Eren if it was ok for her to get pregnant, and then flashes forward to Eren cutting off his leg & gouging out his eye, it’s seems pretty clear that Isayama was implying that Historia had a child with Eren.
There’s also a character wearing a hood looking at Historia & the farmer guy;
Also why would Historia fall in love with a guy who used to throw stones at her?
And whenever Historia & the farmer are on screen she never seems happy or content, she looks pissed off and sad all the time
It seems clear to me that this was the original plot that was abandoned because Isayama feared the backlash of Eren + Mikasa shippers even though their romance was never developed throughout the entire story, and only ever seemed one-sided
@@justadummy8076 Those were eren's missing memories which were shown to us viewers via flash back. They were in a different episode that the scene with zeke was. I dont know what cutting his leg and gouging his eye has to do. It also showed that he talked to yelena and floch on those scenes. Maybe he was in love with floch after all by your logic?
Your reasoning on the first paragraph literally makes no sense.
Havent observed the hooded guy. That is because she didn't, he just found someone she knew that he liked her and got pregnant so the police wont get their hands on her and make her eat zeke. That was her deal for helping eren. Of course she was sad, it is almost as if she knew that she was helping eren destroy the entire world by getting pregnant and living with a guy she probably doesn't like. Nowhere in the show is it implied that she fell in love with him.
If Eren saw the future, he might have wanted Historia to be there to guide the island rather than any way too exalted Jägerists that would just likely keep fighting the rest of the world. She had a role to play too in ensuring all their friends could live a good life. He couldn’t save Sascha but he tried to save the rest. Romantic love is not the only answer to why she decided to get pregnant. And it is not uncommon for kids to be dicks to the girls they like to get their attention.
@@GiovanniGeo Yeah, but both Zeke AND Historia were already safe, since the spinal fluided wine was already inside the members of Paradis' military who wanted to Titanize her and the parallels between chapters 89 and 107 + the flashbacks of chapter 130 was basically confirming to the audience that Eren was the father!
Nah, even if ppl justify the farmer being the father, I don't see a reality where eren did what he did and achieved nothing
Historia lost her sister frieda, her lover freckle ymir, she wouldn't want to lose the only other person to mutually understand her too
Yeah so she'd rather bang a random farmer? 😂@@Philthorn
EMs & EDs don’t understand that plotchads ship Eren & Historia for their countless amount of parallels, and the theme of "Surpassing the father" as Isayama said in the 2018 documentary when he talked about the final panel of a man carrying a baby and telling them that they're free.
Plotchads also ship EH because they have a sense of understanding, appreciation and connection where they recognize that they care for each other and don't want to watch the other suffer.
It's all about getting children out of the forest in the end, and not passing the problems on to the future generation.
So to have Eren and Historia bring a reincarnated
Ymir into a free world where she gets a second chance at life as a free person just feels right.
It still baffles me that people say the canon ending was the only way this story could've ended
@@Philthorn The only good thing about the ending was that it proved that Floch was right. And what baffles me as well is how people think that Armin is like Erwin.
Also it makes sense for Ymir to be reincarnated into their daughter narratively and symbolically:
- she gets the 2nd chance to live a life for herself, not somebody (a parallel to freckled Ymir's words in ch 40/42, if I recall correctly)
- eren freed her, historia had so many parallels with her and a friend's of hers name is ymir
- a lot of songs hint at this outcome (call of silence for instance)
- titans are gone as the goddess is not in paths anymore
- she's the first child to be born into the world without titans, the 2000-year war, free from the walls and being persecuted just because she was born an eldian
- ymir finally gets love and family she wanted so bad
@@annett_55555 And another reason on why E + H = Y should've happened:
- "That scenery" being Eren playing with Reborn Ymir as his daughter after a full-scale Rumbling and Eren showing this to Grisha and Historia would've explained a lot better why Grisha gave the Attack and Founding Titans to his son and Historia kept secret about the Rumbling plan and asked that question.
@@PedroLucas-mg5je I still havenoidea what eren meant by "that scenery". Your theory sounds nice
Really well done video.
Yeah you gotta be blind to not see the huge retcon of the relationship among Eren and Historia and ANR as the REAL ending he planned all along.
So disappointing he retconned everything, I truly believe he was forced by editors.
Why did he back down against them
He ruined the ending 😮💨
Yea I agree completely im 100% sure he had this ending bit the editors pressured him out of it because they thought it was too dark maybe also feel like they rushed him too bc we don't get to answers to alotta things. It makes sense since even in the case of dbz we know editors have a lot of influence over the Manga artists
keep in mind, when the manga ended Isayama was nowhere to be found and the editor spoke for him for months bro, thats shady as hell
@@rawfishlover6969 oh hell naw
@@fly463 wether it was canon or not one of the main reason if merchandising Eren and Mikasa is more popular and would bring more money also GOT disappointment was another reason
Aot ending could have been the opposite of Code Geass. Lelouch sacrificed himself for the world. But then Eren would sacrifice the world for himself and his family.
Code Geass and Aot would have been twins with opposite but justifiable endings.
I think that Historia was the real reason Eren did the rumbling, because that was the only way to save Historia from being sacrificed and used as a weapon. I also think that Historias child was Erens, and I do not buy in to the story with the farmer. In the last scene in the anime, when Historia is preparing a meal, we can see 4 plates, so clearly she is not living alone with the just the farm boy. Maybe she is just paying for a room in another family's home. So I believe that Eren lied to Armin about "loving Mikasa" and "being an idiot" in their last conversation. Eren knew very well that he did the rumbling to save his true love, Historia and also his own unborn child! Think about it. But he had to lie about it so that no one would ever blame Historia and their common child, for being the reason for the rumbling.
This theory is more logical than erens sudden newfound love for mikasa 😂
@@Blu3Moon_III yk what so funny people hating on the ship but it's one of the best written ships in anime. trough the whole series its clear mikasa likes eren but eren don't give the same energy at all. he treats her like his sister all show long, even when she tried to kiss him in season 2 I think he turned away and that was before finding out he was going to die so no excuse of saying he knew he was going to die. he definitely loved mikasa but not in a romantic way like she did. historia on the other hand was way different, he complimented her allot trough the series and showed much care. also I don't think historia is lesbian and if she did like emir I feel like she is bi. BUT she liked Ymir as a person and imo eren kinda resembles Ymir but as a boy, so I isn't weird to assume history really enjoyed his company and they both went trough a traumatic experience which made their bond even stronger, eren is also considered good looking in the series. for eren it also make sense bcs of their strong connection and historia was considered very very beautiful in the series so it wouldn't be weird if he was attracted to her. beside my yapping I did their are obviously big hints in their conversations and small things that hint people felt that they were close, like mikasa being jealous or hange spying on eren and historia's connection
@DiDy1912 they even cut some of the manga erehisu content from the anime...
@@Blu3Moon_III exactly and they changed things like their conversation when they were in the bedroom but kitchen in the anime
These two were the endgame and they still are. I believe a new ending will happen and these two will be together.
Shipper
@@walkertalker3232 ok and? I like them because it makes sense for the story and characters. I used to like Eren and Mikasa but then when i saw Eren and Historia had more of a connection I supported that
@@attackontitanbeautytheking2725 No it does not.
Eren is about to commit a genocide, they are in a war about survival, they are both barely fully grown up. Historia is about to become a titan.
So, how exactly makes it sense for them to start a romantic relationship and have a child?
I mean do you think after everything Eren has done he just walks back home and lifes a normal life? After all that killing? Not even Reiner could take it and he did far less evil then Eren.
@@walkertalker3232 you clearly don't understand the story then. Just stop talking
@@walkertalker3232 Easy. IF Historia will become pregnant no matter what (if not by her will, then by force), then better it would be HER choice with man she choose by herself , man she love (and this is definitely not her childhood bully). Also this way Eren will not just left Historia and disappear without trace like Frida and Ymir did - their child will be part of Eren that stay with her.
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To Eren - he can find comfort with only person who really understand and support him and his goal. Selfish worst girl and enemy of humanity
"EM has a mother and son type of relationship", yams kept repeating it for years and those interviews became pointless because (when was it, 1-2 years back i think) he said that it was planned out all along
Well, it is your classic "read from paper" interview. I mean, he cant plan this out all along because he contradict himself
What he could say is that he decide to change some details in EM relationship at some point of time and make them different from his original endgame was planed ( it does not mean that Eren must end up with Historia. Eren could stay lone freedom chad in this scenario)
@@Алексей545-т6бit works out in both cases if yams wanted to. Eren and historia are narratively and thematically connected, not over romantized like em. If yams wanted to, anr would've been possible and alive right now, not just a "what if" mv, and sorry, but historia is more of a parallel to ymir than mikasa ever was. If it just hadn't been for that cringy "ymir loved fritz" 🐕 💩 for an excuse to justify "mikasa's choice"
Lone freedom chad? Gimme a break
The kid fades into the scene as Eren fades out.
exactly!
that must have opened peoples eyes and realize eren did hit
If eren and historia became canon, they DEFINITELY would be one of the best couples ever made in fiction
Canonised ErenHisu could've looked like Anakin and Padme done right, while Canonised ErenMika looks like Jack and Rose done wrong!
They had the best couple dynamic but noooo, of course it has to be yandere stalking stepsister instead. At this I dont even want Historia to end up with Eren, he became such a laughingstock of an mc.
Should I blame you for this kinda thinking? Hhhhmmm, definitely not
Whose fault was it actually? Can't really recall, it starts with an I and finishes with A. Oh yeah, now I remember
HAJIME ISAYAMA
@@Philthorn Hmmmm, Blame whoever you want, you it doesn't EFFING change the outcome. Fact is a fact.
@@funnybunny9313unfortunately in this case, yeah
But seriously I'm not blaming you
@@Philthorn You really can't, Im just stating the fact and it makes me sigh everytime i remember it.
@@funnybunny9313yeah
The farmer will never be the father and Eren's daughter having brown eyes is just Carla's genes jumping over Eren and onto her granddaughter. This is the hill to die on.
im with u
Makes more sense than 139
While genetics are way more complicated than the Mendel’s laws we learn in school, brown eyes are dominant, so if Eren was carrying brown eyes genes, they would show. Very unlikely (not impossible but very harsh for a blue/green eyed person and a blue eyed one person to have a baby with brown eyes.
i thought both eren and historia had blue eyes@@LegendoftheGalacticHero
@@yntao they have been inconsistent at times with Eren’s eye coloring. Sometimes they seem greener, sometimes bluer
Eren and Historia made so much more sense than he and Mikasa.
Even eren and armin made much more sense than eremika common
When they were about to hug in the last episode, I thought they would kiss😂
no cuz i agree too LMAO i ship eren with the blondes.@@annett_55555
@@pinkbutterfliesss eren with reiner/armin/historia😅
EXACTLYYYY LMFAO
@@annett_55555
I remember Nicolo was willing to kill Gabi and Falco for Sasha which could also been a foreshadow of what Eren would do for Historia.
>other similarities
Missed some of these. Well played.
>forced role as doctor working against his ability to do the mission
Ah, yes. Another fine point.
>Muv Luv
Amusing. I can see the connections. Speaking of influences, familiar with The Eternal Champion as it relates to this matter? Another covering this dropped (formerly canon) hints at it (while another still focused on TEC as it relates to the ending itself). Had been hearing the talk for years (AnR relating to it, I believe) up until things went down, but somehow this other series went under the radar.
To think we would end up a daft dork like LeLouch (copying that fool Ozy). If only they hadn't interfered. Having an ending with Mikasa developing such that she matures away from her yandere obsession with Eren, becomes the jilted lover (read: adopted sister zoned) she was meant to be (human princess), opposes him in earnest and chooses to side (and die) with humanity (100% wiped out)? Would have been my cup of tea, indeed.
Yeah after researching and just paying attention to story details, there was way more chemistry and purpose between Eren x Historia than Eren x Mikasa. Mikasa always seemed more like a sister. Eren and Historia definitely would’ve made sense as an endgame couple. They really helped each other grow.
Like if eren only true mistake was his fear from his feelings towards Historia, eren always wanted freedom yet and ONLY out of habit and loneliness since losing his parents he fell for mikasa treachery, since ever she manipulated him into seeing her as a mother figure, protective and attached and she did everything to show him that historia is a no no, eren was put in a bubble of repetitions and habits and he directed those raging feelings for historia into the « freedom quest » mikaka was so good at manipulating him and giving him illusions that he complimented, looked at and got charmed by historia but kept denying his feelings and what happens when you deny your feelings? Anger and depression, since mikaka is there for Japanese fan service, the Asian figure bla bla bla, isayama write something and stated another thing 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
I hope that someday we'll get FMAB equivalent of AoT we're this is rectified. But I'm very sceptical that it will ever happen.
All Isayama can do at this point is to release the manuscripts of the original ending, so we can see how it would go!
Imagine Eren as a father to Historia's child. Then the child at the end of the series is Eren's descendant. Man!!! I don't hate Eremika please don't come at me ,however, not a fan neither. I know Historia loved Ymir but she is dead I mean
1. Ymir wasn't supposed to be alive at that time anymore she's way too old
2. Jaw titan was stolen
3. It's years before Eren started his plan so by then, pretty sure she'd be dead and there won't be any jaw titan if she dies uneaten.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I ship Ymir and Historia but I love what happened to them , I love the tragic love they have.
I'm satisfied that eren was not the father. I see their dynamic as a platonic friendship
Another ed
I actually don't think she was lesbian tho it feels like allot of people just assumed bcs Ymir was. but historia really didn't give the same vibes
Bro hestorea looks so beautiful in the picture
Thanks for the video
Yeah bisexual folks tend to be forgotten in the Internet, mostly Twitter or X as it’s now called.😺
Yeaaaaaaaah, shout-out to we, the bisexual people !!!!!! So I see that you’re a fellow fucking (wo)man/person of culture as well, who supports the Ymir x Historia x Eren Love Triangle toooooooo ? Heck yeaaaaaah !!!!! Amen, brotheeeeeer !!!!!
right? Historia looks bi af, ain't no way she's lesbian! She could love and miss Ymir and coulda start a new one with Eren although it will still be tragic bc Eren had to die and their child will be an heir. Imagine your mom as queen and dad who saved and destroyed the world. UGH wasteddd
Eren is the Father in the anime timeline, and that's why he DOESN'T leave paradis' future to chance this time, because he has a child
Even if that was the case, at least it would make sense to not leave it to chance, it was pointless to say it in canon, cause in the end, that's exactly what he did. He allowed his friends to live their "long, happy lives", therefore leaving the future of paradis to chance, because he only cared about less than a dozen people surviving
There is a theory in anime timeline that it will be different ending. Is says Eldian people will abandon paradis island and start a new life in other places. To prevent actually happen in Manga where paradis was destroyed after the decades.
@@SanameTvdon't believe that, it's not happening
@@Philthorn That's why it is a theory, If you watch the ending song "akuma no ko." there's a picture there of abandon Paradis Island. I think Historia make that happen since she only ruler of Paradis Island.
@@SanameTvI said don't believe it will be a different ending, that's all. Didn't happen in canon, why should it happen now, doesn't make sense. Paradis was destroyed, not abandoned anyway
Your take makes so much more sense to me and really ties alot of things back together to the beginning. I have to agree
It's possible that the deal between the devil and Ymir also played out the same as Erne and Historia. In the end, Erne became the devil so Historia could live free along with his friends.
Yo! Unrelated, but have you seen the scans for Boruto: Two Blue Vortex yet? 👀
I think people should take a look at Louise's character and to me its way of Isayama portraying Eremika dynamics in a different perspective. Which is NOT a great one
Aoe eh will not be wasted. A new end is about to be born. “Everything is still ahead”.
People that think Historia and Ymir were romantically involved are legit braindead
Yumihisu is plausible and they did have chemistry and have romantic feelings... At least it was clear from ymir's side... But it never evolved as ymir died
Yumihisu wouldn't negate erehisu (or farmhisu🤮) as she could've moved on to live happily with whomever she loves later (which ymir would've wanted too).
Historia don't have to be a lesbian or straight... She has shown feelings towards ymir... And also eren (my interpretation from manga and anime) or the farmer (implied by stupid drunk mps / canon) she could be a bi
Calling people who ship yumihisu (canon and more logical than eremika) is toxic and not very nice.
Well u know the same way people misunderstand eren in 139 when he says beretold was not supposed die that day doesn't meant he save him at killed his mother actually when Dina's titan ignore him it actually behaves like Rod Riess titan which ignore the scouts and moves towards the city inside wall so pure titan with royal blood shows this kind of behavior so eren didn't kill his mother
Nope. This exactly what Eren said - i force her to ignore Bertold in order to kill my mom. This is why Dina titan come into the area with minimal number of people instead of targeting crowds of people who tried to evacuate from Shiganshina
This would have been interesting.
Too family ❤❤❤
Yaeger
There’s no way you people still believe this shit.. it’s been years the anime has ended.
Live your life and come back to the series later with a fresh eye.
I'm just here to laugh at the hopeful comments after the ending finally dropped. As someone who hated Historia purely from a character standpoint, the sounds of crying shippers is the gift that keeps on giving.
if you want to see a poorly written character, look at Mikasa 😂😂😂😂😂
There are many people I would love to see this video, maybe it would shut a few of the more obnoxious ones up.
They wouldn't except it. Toxic fans will always deny the truth
Personally, I don't much care for discussing romance possibilities for most male-female relationships in fiction, since a deep and fully platonic friendship can also exist and be beautifully meaningful.
I'm certainly not a fan of EreMika, since for me it came out of the blue and seemed to retcon prior events, especially since Eren always behaved like a younger sibling fed up with his older sister's coddling, caring deeply about her but wanting her off his ass. If someone disagrees and enjoys EreMika, I'm glad for them, though, since at least they got some joy from the ending.
That being said, I'm also not a fan of Eren x Historia, even if it makes more sense to me than the former. I always felt that Ymir and Historia had something going on together - Ymir was very clear about that and I don't see HIstoria forgetting her either, even when she was already dead. You can love two people at the same time, of course, but I feel that Eren would always come second at best - which also may happen in real life and it wouldn't mean that their relationship was bad or anything. They obviously care about each other.
However, I always viewed their relationship as a deep, very particular companionship of two characters who could be their true selves only in front of each other. Bearing their worst, "devil/worst girl in the world" side that no one else (except Ymir for Historia) was privy to. They both had the island's burden on their shoulders and resolve to purposely step away from the righteous path to reach their endgame. They learned about their fears, their weakness, their deepst, ugly reasonings and found true companionship in their real persona unmasked. It could be a beautiful ground for love to blossom, of course - but given how Eren never once showed any romanting inclanations in the series, and Historia's heart most likely forever belonged to Ymir, I think their friendship is incredibly meaningful and lovely even without romance involed.
Man it was already said in the Manga and the anime probably that Eren is not the father bro assume that at least …
This video is about their dynamic
grisha also said eren was his only child, guess what turned out he wasn't. in this show everything is possible
Cliche.
as if eremika isnt
erehisu is better off as platonic@@blubblubblup
eremika is better off as family@@yntao
these mf cousins
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I’m pretty sure they aren’t related. Dina is married into the Yeager family but Eren isn’t related to her.
Dina is Zeke's mother and Grisha's first wife. Carla is Eren's mother, Grisha's second wife. Eren isn't royal blood, Zeke and Historia are royal blood. Eren isn't related to Historia.
they are not blood related, historia's father was royal blood and her mom was a random. erens mom was just a woman and his dad was married to basically historia's distance auntie but that was not his mom so they not related at all
oh, I will have a field day someday, and laugh a second time at all these clowns in this comments section... "themes", "parallels", "romance", "makes sense", "surpassing the father", "plotchads".
Isayama didn't just make a dark comedy volume, but he also created a bunch of schizo clowns. Hilarious.
ikr
what happened now lmao
@@chlsfd a lot rn are shaiting that Yams retcon or fake ending bla-bla-bla... seriously, what the f? there are really NPCs who propagate idea that Yams wrote several non canonic chapters as a way to punish the viewers for... not paying attention to the story? Sure, theories and understanding of the story of the entire fandom were 95% wrong, but that's outrageous idea simply from business perspective for KODANSHA.
rn they are waiting for AOE in episodic format on 19th nov (or 10th dec if it is weekly), despite the fact that episodic Cour 2 remained unchanged... truly cope never dies...
Continuation of the story will happen (eventually), but this cope with Eren x Historia... ha-ha, they are in for a giant jumpscare in the future for sure ;)
I bet even after the truth drops about 130 convos, they will start another schizo cope that "in some other timeline things could have been different between Eren and Historia" :D
I'm happy he didn't listen to these people and sticked to his true ending
HISTORIA IS NOT IMPORTANT BECAUSE SHE WASNT IN S4
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Erwin is unimportant according to your logic too
The guy died…
@@billykotsos4642 you didn't mention it
@@annett_55555 you didnt either…
How are we still pronouncing corps incorrectly?
IK it’s pronounced core but tbh idc
@@KingBullet123 don’t lie, if you knew that’s how it’s pronounced you would’ve pronounced it correctly like all the other words in your vocabulary. You sir, just earned a dislike.
@@friedhotwingsyou're really got nothing else to do but cry about a pronunciation of "corps" 😂
@@mangonow6350 I’m not crying, are you projecting? I’m calling out laziness and ignorance. I have plenty of better things to do, that’s what I chose to spend 10 seconds out of my day doing, you got a problem with that?
@@friedhotwings Seems like the only one who's projecting is you. Considering you watched the entire video, you're really telling you got better things to do then nitpick? Now there's nothing wrong about that, could've just clarified that all you're doing is complaining and left it at that. But it seems you couldn't and had to get riled up at me finding your "righteous" complaints comical about ignorance and laziness over something so miniscule. I mean if your ego that's fragile I guess I apologize 🤷
God dammit how come I keep discovering these great AOT videos so long after they come out??🫠
Anyway great video. Still baffles me that people think Erehisu was just another ship and that the only reason we’re upset is because it didn’t sail