Attack on Titan Ending Explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 พ.ย. 2023
- here are all my thoughts on the attack on titan ending, this is a remake of the first video on my channel
Thanks always to @jadencoremusic
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Good video but we don't know if the boy going into the tree has the same wish as Ymir when coming into contact with life. Ymir being hurt and chased by dogs and this kid being unharmed and having a dog as his companion and all that
Yes I agree, someone did point out tho that the boy had still likely gone through some trauma or pain due to the war but yes the boys situation is still pretty different than Ymir and titans are very unlikely to be born again considering how the hallucigenia pretty much becomes the embodiment of its hosts feelings and stuff.
Orrr use ur brains maybe it’s a metaphor 😮
Bro shut up, it’s a metaphor for the cycle repeating. You don’t have to think so hard. Legit hate anime nerds because they nitpick every small thing like losers
@@eliotheeternal what if you used YOUR brains and figured maybe the dog being the kids companion instead of pursuer means even though the cycle will repeat our actions can still lessen the harm done by it 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
It is literally the same tree Ymir fell into...🗿they look ALIKE.theres no difference
Armin to Eren in S1: “People who are unable to abandon anything, will fail to bring about any change. If it's required to overcome monsters, one must toss aside his humanity. “
S3 ending at beach, Eren : “If we kill all our enemies across the sea, will we be free?”
S4 Eren actually tosses his humanity to save the Paradis ppl by killing all enemies of Paradis.
Everyone: Surprised Pikachu face
Armin be like: wait what? Eren no! 😂
But... eren didn't do that. He half-assed the rumbling
@@annett5>kills 80% of humanity
>even the wildlife
>even the penguins
>Half-assed
Pick one
@@annett5literally statistically inaccurate according to the show
Retcon writing is bad
I mean, Eren harboring an insane desire for a basically unattainable concept of freedom and being doomed to be a slave to a fated end is pretty thematically relevant.
He DOES say that he's a slave to freedom.
@@ether2275 makes sense now....
@@user-lz1yb6qk3f It's all metaphorical of course but it does make sense.
It wasnt unattainable
The ending broke my brain. The most im willing to think about it is Eren said he would kill all the titans, and he did. Thats basically as deep as the conclusion is for me.
Huh that’s a satisfying way to view it. I like this view. Still can’t get over the fact that he justifies killing hundreds of thousands or millions of innocent people (however many people exist in that world), the rationale of “there being no other possibility” because he saw every future feels so lazy and BS.
Also the idea of Ymir loving the Eldian king makes no sense to me. She got the power before she even got to know him and she could’ve gotten away or done anything she wanted. You can’t love a person you don’t know.
To me Eren still won in the end. Seeing how it is only implied the power of the titans comes back, and what we believe is Eldia got bombed 20,000 YEARS LATER after our characters already achieved their era of peace. Conflict is inevitable in life but Erens struggle to try and make things go the way he wants them to is engaging to the end.
Which is exactly the point that is unrealistic. You're telling me armin took the credit of killing eren but was not shot by any of the yeagerists? None of the alliance face any consequence. In the real world, anybody who betrays their people and kills their comrades would be hunted down for eternity. Doesn't make sense to me.
who told you its 20,000 years?lmao..in manga,its 1 lifespan,probably 100 years
@@CJ-dk7hc anime was different, it was changed.
Eren did the same thing as Lelouch Vi Britannia, just did it worse.
@@triela7502it did not specify how much time passed you goofball
I think people give Ymir too much credit prior to Eren convincing her to free herself. I dont think the implication was meant to be the Ymir orchestrated every event in history so that Mikasa would face eren. I mean yeah that would be dumb and I would have to hate the ending too. Like saving zeke for instance was her obeying someone with royal blood, not personally wanting to ensure the rumbling. I don't think Ymir actually expressed interest in Mikasa or Armin until after the fight on the final founder titan starts, I.e. when she starts visibly appearing to the other characters. The ending makes infinitely more sense if you look at Ymir as having no agency of her own prior to physically encountering Eren, choosing not to read it this way is more so on you than the story itself.
Also calling Eren a stoic character is kinda of wild. There are scenes where he is distant and dissociative But Eren is an extremely childish and emotional character driven almost entirely by hatred. he's on the edge of tears in that scene on the beach. You even show his melt down when seeing the smiling titan again. Like you're conclusion is basically that he can't be sad because he is angry. He's a scared 19 year old faced with death after betraying everyone he loves, himself, and with nothing left to push forward towards. the rumbling is already happening he sacrificed everything for a "victory" he didn't even want in the end. I think his melt down was a great way to remind us of that
Main thing I can agree with though just to not be fully negative is Eren sending the smiling titan after his mom felt like unnecessary over kill, and the whole revival of familiar shifters was also weird. I read that second one as Yimir giving them power to see what they'd do with it after hearing what armin and Zeke had to say, but that's largely just me trying to make sense of it for myself
@@walidsmith5104well what you said is true
Ymir was actually surprised by the fact about what armin said to zeke
At that point she didn’t knew what meaning of life was and that is why agreed with eren to do the rumbling
At the end we can see she regrets it
For armin it was leaf
For zeke it was a ball
For ymir it was her daughters
why was she smiling as the rumbling happened?
@@user-bq8zq5ic8v who said she was smiling ?
Are you blind ? She literally had no expression
@@AM17titan but Ymir can see the future, so she already knows about it. Ymir didn't regret, she literally smiled.
Truly a Naruto Shippuden Zetsu moment
oops all ymir
The boy at the end is the reincarnation of the potato Sasha ate during roll call in season 1
I personally loved the ending 🥲 And honestly loved Eren saying he wanted Mikasa to pine over him for at least 10 years. He’s a complicated human being with sorrow, fears, and most importantly, regrets. He explains that he doesn’t want to die. I felt he was mourning the loss of the life he wished he could have and mourned the future he could have had with his loved ones. He had moments of weakness in this scene, and paired with mah homeboy Armin’s loving speech, it made for such an impactful scene😭💔💔💔
More like a joke, chatacter ruined and turned into a simp
@@winsen5602 I mean, if that’s your take, that’s a little sad🥲 Mikasa loves him back so how’s he a “simp”? 💀Anyway, You saw him cry in pain when he saved the boy he knew he’d be killing one day, we saw his distressed when he felt weak and couldn’t save Mikasa, and he explained his complicated feelings to Armin. Eren isn’t an incel , joker-brained, or a simp- he’s a human with complicated feelings, a fear of death, and he’s wracked with guilt.
@@MyMangakaLIFE i respect your thought but from a critical standpoint the ending did not make sense, totally out of character since he never loved Mikasa but only saw her as a sister. Armin is a hypocrite. He so called falls in love with a girl who killed 20% of the population in the walls if I’m not wrong and almost kills his friend that’s so stupid. It just does not add up how the hell they were not killed or stripped away from their roles as global alliance by the yeagerists, and I have not mentioned the stupid useless plotholes. Great show except the damned ending that ruinrd it for the majority of watchers, including me.
@@winsen5602 You aren't the authority on what's objectively good or bad. It's fine if you don't like the ending, but you don't get the final say. Not saying you can't objectively criticize something. Also you can't know for sure whether a majority liked or disliked the ending.
@@austinmoss4134 I said from a critics point it’s bad, anime lovers can like what they want, I just don’t agree with such a disaster of an ending where nothing makes sense. What do you mean, search it up ton of people dislike it💀
5:54 you’re wrong. He attained god like insight. He even says it “the founders power is messing with my head” It’s the same reason why some gods in mythology don’t interfere in mortal affairs, they’re omniscient, and when you’re all knowing you tend to let things play out. Eren was never meant to wield the founders power, more than that, he never trained in using the founders insight. He at that point was experiencing something no one else could help him with; omniscience. He very clearly states that to him, there’s no past or future, it’s all happening at the same time. He wasn’t a slave, he merely accepted the fate shown to him. As you would. And to drive the point home (not for no reason) he says that in order for everything to play out the way it did, he had to have his mom eaten. Just like all the times Barry Allen went back and saved his mom from being killed, he would have made things much worse and eventually had to accept that his mom HAS to die. Same thing.
this is an incredible explanation, the barry allen part really put it into perspective lol
Just remember: hitch , survived, WITH OUT ANY DAMAGE, longer than Zeke and Eren , possibly the two most powerful and resilient people
Interesting take man. Although I really find it hard to believe that Ymir was the one in control all the time. My interpretation is that Ymir agreed with Eren when he spoke to her in the Paths and resonated with him and his desire to end this conflict. When she saw the alliance trying to stop Eren, of course she tried to stop them, but it's because she wanted Eren to complete his goal while also acting as a witness of Mikasa's actions (since she found a similarity between her and Mikasa). My biggest gripe with the ending is that the author left it too open for interpretation. By doing that, we're left filling in some of the blanks, but that makes some of us misinterpret some stuff, while not taking some other stuff into consideration. That's why I give the ending 7-8/10, in contrast to the 9-10/10 that was the rest of the story.
Totally agree. Good and deep meaning series but confusing ending
I agree with this to an extent. If we were given a few more scenes for clarification then it would've been good, but at the same time I think it would've taken away from it as well.
The way I interpret it is that ymir was able to become free through eren, armin and finally mikasa. People, like this guy in the video, jump at the fact that eren frees her not mikasa, so it makes no sense. But if eren really did free her, she wouldn't have remained in the paths. Eren shows her that her twisted perception of reality was wrong, and that she has the free will to do whatever she wants. So she does, but she does it from a place of rage. She holds the same mindset of zeke, so in armins conversation with zeke, she realises that there is a different way to approach life, and through him and erens approaches, it allows her to think that her twisted idea of affection wasn't love. She then sees mikasas situation and thinks they're the same, but through her memories, and the fact she kills eren and then kisses him, it shows her that it was the opposite. And so it was mikasa who allowed her to understand her situation, and pass on. But all three of the main cast, and their different viewpoints on life, led to that.
I think the ending was near perfect in what it needed to do. Still at least a 9 out of 10 for me, and the only show I will ever give a 10/10 to to. It is consistently that good, and gets better as it goes on. But I do agree that clarification and a few extra scenes would have made people less confused and prone to hate. Due to the fact that even my take is subjective and not factual, it proves that sort of point.
But I also think that if the ending was clarified more, it'd become too shallow. Like, if they explained ymirs entire mindset like I have in a monolog, it just wouldn't work. So its a difficult one. Honestly my main problems were more the conceptual things. Like the plot was perfect in my eyes, again, disregarding the fact that it is very open to interpretation, but I did love that about it as well. My main issues was the fact that like, for the very end of the narrative, when you have all of these creative titan battles (even in the ending on the founding titan), isayama decides to have a 1 on 1 with two colossal titans, which up until this point have been used as bombs, and have been so slow that they can't really fight. So to see them both go at it like that, and see erens last form be a colossal titan just felt off to me. Also I'm torn about the fact that mikasa carries erens head around and kisses it after she decapitated it. Again, thematically, it beautiful, but watching it I was like "that's a bit weird". Honestly it's just little stuff like that that would bump the score down from a 10 to a 9.5 or a 9 for me. But they're honestly not too bad. I'm here for the story at the end of the day, and imo it was an amazing conclusion.
I feel Isayama wanted Eren's final conversation to be a cross of between Lelouch's Zero Requiem Plan, Walter White's final conversation with Skyler, a discussion about the inevitably of fate. However, that all got jumbled together and never was eloquently conveyed.
Eren knew the solution with the least causalities was Willy Tiber's or Zeke's plans: for innocents in Paradis to be sacrificed (or neutered) in order to appease the world's fear and hatred of them. However, Eren couldn't accept Armin and Mikasa being the sacrificed for temporary world peace.
So Eren took the only route he knew would keep Mikasa alive and allow her to have a future family if she wanted. Were there better routes? Probably, but Eren, for whichever reason, could not stop himself. Was it fate, time-paradox rules, Eren enjoying fighting too much, Eren being a matyr, or Eren being too stubborn to abandon his plan?
Isayama seemingly initially wanted Eren to be a misunderstood matyr, concentrating all hatred onto himself, akin to Lelouch. However, at some point, Isayama may have received feedback from editors that this message was too extreme even for a seinen magazine (i.e., game ending billions of people is almost justified if they hate you and it brings your people prosperity). So Isayama back pedaled some what.
My main issue with Zeke's plan is that I'm a few years Marley would notice the Mainland Eldians weren't having kids and would've considered them useless to their cause and mightve done a mass cleansing once they knew they weren't going to have Titans to fall back on for much longer
Yes, I've also felt like this is similar to Lelouch's plan!
Are we all going to forget the fact abt eren's dream in ep 1 where he thought he lived all of his life in it and mikasa's dream about eren dying by the Titan curse after they lived their lives in eldia in peace. Maybe ymir was not controlling everything, what we got to see was probably the best outcome out of all decisions made by the characters in the show. It was still their choice to do what they had to do. As for eren if you see the last part he says he's free after Mikasa cuts him maybe what eren interpreted as freedom was being free from the shackles of suffering from the human world and instead living freely in eternal rest. This is what interpretation I got from the show. Also Isayama let's his fans interpret the storyline however they like rather than giving a variable conclusion so it makes sense why everyones opinions differ.
Ps. Sorry if this I came out as rude with this. It was not my intention.
I feel like your problem is with the deterministic timeline. And I can't tell if it's because you don't understand it or just don't like the concept. But the whole point of a deterministic timeline is that there is one timeline, and any event that happens, was always going to happen in that way. So, yes Eren, Ymir, every character is in fact a slave to the future, the only reason we perceive Eren and Ymir as different is because they have the ability to see and interact with the future. But to them, they can't really interact with any of it. To them it's be the same as us watching the show. They can watch it over and over again, but no matter how hard they try, or how hard they will it to happen, the story will always be the same.
Think about both Eren getting Dina to eat his mom, and him forcing his dad to kill the Reiss family. If Eren didn't make Dina kill his mom, then Bertholt would've died, leading to a new colossal titan, leading to either the mission being canceled or at the very least Trost not being destroyed, maybe even all of Maria not falling. Which in turn sets off a chain of events which shifts the whole story to a point where nothing would've happened the way it did, completely altering the timeline. It may even go so far as to Eren never getting the founder, and never getting to Ymir, and so never going back in the paths, and so never having any influence over Dina. So for Eren to be where he is, he has to make sure the timeline plays out the way it does. The same happens with Grisha and Eren in the cave. If Eren hadn't forced Grisha to kill the Reiss family, Eren wouldn't get the founder, which shatters the timeline, which means Eren has to forced Grisha to do so, to complete the deterministic loop.
But this doesn't just apply to these events, every single event in AoT is set in stone. It's not really Ymir puppeteering the story, she's mostly making it follow the timeline the story always had to follow. Now you may not like that, and that's fine, but I feel like you're criticizing it by saying these aspects came out of nowhere and ruined the story. I disagree, I feel like this idea of the cyclical nature of the world, the idea of loops and by extension timeloops, have been part of AoT and it's plan from the start. You could say it weakens character choices, but I feel like part of it is that these are the choices the character would've always made in each exact circumstance. Sure, part of the reason Eren is doing the rumbling, is that he has to because technically the rumbling is a predetermined event, but the reason it's a predetermined event is because even if Eren had true freewill, he would've always gone through with the rumbling. Each character's choice is like this, but it's only Eren who can really see that he has no real free will.
First of all there are multiple timelines, because if it is not, then it is heavy plot hole and retcon of the series. Ackermans can't be influenced by the Founding Titan, then how cabin scene exist in first place!? How see you later scene seen by Eren in dreams!? Also why Eren saw Goth Mikasa and nerd Armin in Paths!?
Second thing, characters like Eren are heavily retconned in the last minute. The nature he is showing was not like in entire series at all, and look at his dialogues, so hilarious and non sensible, can't believe a person who have access to all the timelines and consciousness of his race is talking like a stupid 14 year old kid. Now about Ymir, there is no logical point explaining her love for King Fritz, the things you say Stockholm Syndrome, it doesn't work like that. There were tons of reasons they could explain Ymir's motivation to continue existence of Titans, but no. And wasn't Eren there to free her already? And if she needed inspiration there were several other parallel characters, like Historia.
Everything is so rushed and forced, that's why ending is criticized. I have not even came upon smaller plot holes and retcons which happened in finale and entire series, because it would too much time to type here.
All the fans I see, who defends ending with any shit reasons seems so immature and obstinate to defend it somehow. And shamelessly they recommend to watch the series again and criticize that you have not understood the story, like fuck you all did PhD in this series. Bullshit!! You all just focused on specific characters like Mikasa, Levi, Sasha, and rest of the story ignored, that's why you perceive you understood the story clearly well.
@@jaipandey7142 Your comment is very hard to read, so please correct me if I'm misunderstanding your points, but I'll give it my best shot.
The cabin scene isn't an alternate timeline. It exists in the same timeline as everything else. From what I can imagine it's Eren bringing Mikasa to the paths. We see with Armin and Zeke that the paths can look like pretty much anything, and so while there, Eren showed her what he imagined the future could've been like if she'd said she loved him back then. Plus, the school reference was probably just that, a reference, it doesn't seem to effect the plot, but if you insist, it could also literally be a completely separate, still deterministic timeline. It's parallel, which means it doesn't have an effect on it.
I didn't really talk about any of the other stuff you mentioned, I feel like you didn't properly read/understand my comment and you're just ranting. I didn't talk about Eren or Ymir's characterization. I didn't talk about Ymir's motivation. I didn't talk about whether or not it was rushed either. I also don't think minor plot holes or writing failures show that the story is bad, just that the author isn't perfect, which no author is.
Personally it seems like you're the one being immature, making fun of people for simply liking a show that you don't like. I love AoT, there are problems with it, but there's a hundred positives for each negative. I'm not trying to criticize you for not seeing the show in the same way as me, I'm simply trying to have a conversation, and explain my point of view. Maybe if I do you'll think about the show in a new way, and appreciate it a bit more. No I haven't written a PhD on AoT, but I talk about it with tons of people because I'm passionate about it, because I love it. I don't just focus on specific characters either. I think AoT's plot is really well made, designed by a man who's far better at writing than I am. It's a story that can help me reflect on reality, can help others see the world differently. That's why I love AoT, and honestly, Eren, Armin and Reiner are my favorite characters but that's just me.
@@aliendilo3105 The cabin scene is not Paths scene, but alternative reality, here my explanation:
Ackermans' memories cannot be influenced by the Founding Titan at all, if was said by Kenny's father/grandfather.
Eren discussed several alternative events, which never happened in real world, and how is he certain that such events happened if Mikasa made alternative choice
Eren asked Mikasa to throw away her scarf, and next moment he is simping over Mikasa in front of Armin. Now he is contradicting himself too much, isn't he?
If she was summoned to Paths by Eren, why Mikasa not questioning about pervious events like Armin did!? And why she is saying she woke up from a long dream!?
Mikasa had not talking about anything of current event, and Eren said that they decided to not talk about something, when Mikasa said I should not be here.
Now if Mikasa saying that she was in Paths and remembering everything after Eren's death, then it is contradicting many things we know about AOT lore.
Sorry if I was being rude, but recently I am really irritated by dumb reasons fans give to ignore or defend the mistakes in the series. It was not anyone's mistake, but AOT is made in such a way that if you don't use your tons of brain cells to understand the things, you won't enjoy it, and even understand a thing. And now when the ending was delivered with so much mistakes and plot holes, I and many other fans who spent their time in this interesting story are disappointed and feels really annoyed when new watchers gives their cringe reviews and ignore all the story, all plot development, and just say they love the ending because they were watching the series for very secondary reasons. And when pointed the mistakes, they fight too much and just gives bullshit explanation. Again sorry if my comment was hurtful.
@@jaipandey7142 But isn't the fact that Eren knows all those things more evidence that it's a scenario he made up? Like if it was an actual alternative timeline where he'd run away with her, he'd have no way of knowing what Armin and the people of Paradis are up to. And I wouldn't say her memories are being influenced by the founder, she seems to remember what actually happened aswell, and we've seen that Ackerman's can be taken to the paths. I honestly don't think it's as impossible as you're making it out to be.
Eren contradicting himself is kind of him being mature about it. Sure, he wants her to love him and think about him for the rest of her life. But at the same time, he knows that's pathetic, that's why he doesn't immediately admit it to Armin, who is his best friend. He loves her so much that he knows it'd be best for her to move on and have a happy life. It doesn't have to be after his death either, since we know the paths is a dimension outside of time.
You seem very emotional about the ending, but it also seems like you generally don't like AoT, which is fine. I just hope you can try and not to bring others down for enjoying. You're free to dislike AoT, it's ending, whatever, but others are free to love every aspect of it. They're free to ignore all the bad and enjoy the good. They're free to have opinions you disagree with.
@@aliendilo3105 Eren was saying that it's been two months since Marley War ended, and they should be starting war on Paradis, and Armin must be searching for them. He is either predicting the outcomes of his action of running away, or he knows everything because of being the Founding Titan. The fact that Cabin Scene is happening in Paths, is weird because as I mentioned already, Ackermans can't be influenced by the Founding Titan, and in manga Eren woke up with the dream of "See you Later Eren" scene in first episode.
I'm not sure if it specificly says otherwise, but i kinda see that Mikasa didn't free Ymir by loving Aaron, she freed her when she killed him together with the founding Titan and by killing the the founder Ymir was no longer tied to the mortal world and she could finally die.
I enjoy listening to your take, and I can agree with some points, but I doubt Ymir was the puppeteer from the start. I'd argue she only has agency after Eren teaches her free will. From that point onwards, she's been traversing through path (since path is boundless and timeless) to find someone to validate her own grievances and influencing chain of events that will bring about the outcome she wishes to see.
agreed. Eren freed ymir from the royal bloodline (king fritz will) and Mikasa freed ymir from the love for her abuser. It isn't that love is what they're moving from ( I mean the message isn't that) but it is to let go of things.
@ismetkabir2901 You can still love the person even if you have to let them go. This is the message Ymir learned from Mikasa's Sacrifice.
But we could see that ymir maybe use the attack titan power and somehow alter her choice to let king fritz die instead, all the eldian are just descendants of ymir children without titan power as mikasa said except all the dead will stay dead. Wouldn't that mean that she already knows the answer if she tapped into Eren future memory of Mikasa killing him??. If she already knows the answer and the future is certain then why go through it all. To me it just seem like the narrative gone wrong and contradictory.
@@user-bh7oj9im5t first of all, letting king fritz die wasn't time altering rather it was to show what she could've and should've done.
you said ymir knew all of this so why go through all this?the answer to that is similar to why Eren kept moving forward to the ending. Just like Eren, ymir kept moving forward to reach the scenario but until then she had to be a slave. Until Eren comes after 2000 yrs. I mean paths is a place where time doesn't even exist so it would feel as though after she just made the paths, she found Eren. Get it? Eren coming after 2000 yrs may have felt like an instant since time doesn't exist there. Also, before paths, there wasn't any time travelling so no questions from there. You might ask "then why did ymir even be working as a slave in paths?" It is cuz it had to happen for Eren to come and save/free her. I hope you understood.
ik it is kinda confusing and I'm not a good explaner specially when it is about time and stuff. I maybe didn't succeed to explain it but I tried 😭I hope you understood.
@@ismetkabir2901 Wow 😂😂 You said they just keep moving forward as if they are just slave to the future with no reason to avoid it.
Well said, I have seen a video of an alternate ending where they did in fact have Ymir as the villain that was pulling the strings.
Poor girl ,why make her the villain?
@@samliu6913If you think about it, Ymir really was a villain. Remember that she killed billions during Eldia's early conquests and actively aided in their oppression. Sure, she was a slave but she still had agency in these acts.
@@enderreaper1482Yeah, she could’ve easily saved herself from Eldia using her titan power, yet instead she decided to continue being a slave? Just because she loved her captor I guess?
Finally someone who actually sees/comprehends the threads of control from behind. But I don't think or maybe I'm not sure if it is actually Ymir manipulating everything.
I'm not even sure if she is a separate entity at this point, meaning I'm not sure if she has control or she is just a delirious husk in pain wanting it just to end(sure that could be just an act, but remember, she is basically imprisoned in the path and used as a slave, I think if she could simply end it, she would have done so before).
I think Eren is a slave to the power to see the future, and knowing that steering from the known future would derail everything he sacrificed for. He can't turn back, because if he does all those who died would have died in vain... then again... all who died, died for the sake of Eren's friends having "a brief time of peace".
Meant to hit home the fact that knowing the future enslaves someone. And Eren's only way out of knowing the future is dying, that was his "salvation" from going insane.
Also, a bit of headcanon. But I'd like to think that what Ymir wanted to see was someone simply willing to rise up against a tyrant even if the tyrants actions were benefiting one. Meaning that this wasn't about love, it was about humanity's willingness to stand up against "evil" and prove that humanity deserves a chance at living. A Noah's flood averted type of situation...
Also, what she couldn't let go wasn't the love of Fritz, but the Eldians, her descendants. That is why he serves royal blood, and that is why the only path forward is one where Eldians aren't simply eradicated, they are given a chance through Eren. They are free to live with it, to use it. Of course we see that in the end Paradis is destroyed...
But that's just my headcanon...
I agree with this but I also get where people will have problems with this, for the same reason as the manga (which they fixed in the show). Ultimately it's about how it was phrased. I think if eren said "ymir continued the path she was on because of the eldians" or "because it was all she ever knew" because she was a child slave who didn't know any better and was a "slave" to the twisted affection she felt for fritz, then it would've been clarified better. People don't like the fact that he said that she "loved" him. But honestly, it's a really realistic depiction of real world abusive relationships.
@@danielclough7996Stockholm syndrome is as real as it gets
I wish the ending leaned more into Ymir wanting Eren to tramble the world to seek revenge for the suffering she went through. And eren was a slave to that. I also didnt understand how mikasa killing Eren ended the titan curse.. i feel like that wasnt explained super well in the episode. Also falco becoming a bird was just so stupid
It was basically a series of random impossible events followed up by the main character dying which led to something his death shouldn't have caused, and the ending basically made it apparent the entire show was leading up towards nothing and giving you false hope.
It's mind-boggling to me that some people actually think this is a good ending.
@@paleheadyup... I kinda feel like 99% of shows do this because they know the addictive nature of throwing in a bunch of twists and suspense, but they have no idea how to tie it all together and conclude the show... They made the ride fun, especially in the beginning and middle but then the covers start dropping and people start realizing that this isn't going anywhere.
I think the reason Ymir chose Mikasa was actually because they contrast. Yes, they both having very strong love. But only one of them, Mikasa, had the strength to let it go (killing Eren). Ymir could not make that decision even though she could have easily destroyed Fritz and his empire. Ymir wanted someone to let go for her because she never could. Which is why she chose Mikasa, who was able to kill Eren. To explain Ymir's non-sensical desire for Fritz's love, It wasn't supposed to make. Ymir was a traumatized child who had lost everything they cared about (her village and parents). Even though Fritz committed these crimes, Ymir was attached to him because he gave her life a purpose. She who had nothing, was given something to hang onto, which was her usefulness to Fritz. Although twisted, and cruel I think it makes sense.
Finally, someone who gets it.
@@angelchavez4245Having her freed by Mikasa was so dumb bro. Guy can’t erite romance and makes it part of the story. 🤦♂️
It's still stupid. The Ymir loving King Fritz because of Stockholm Syndrome is dumb. If Ymir loved the king so much, why did she choose to die?
@@angelchavez4245 He spoke a whole lotta nothing
There are some good points, but we mustn't forget, that ALL EREN WANTED was for his friends to have nice lives, nothing more, nothing less. Furthermore, he wasn't a slave to Yimir. The proof are the guys that he killed in the cabin, BEFORE inheriting the FT. As Shadis states, Eren's strongest weapon is RESOLVE, and that is why he continues to move forward, always, and forever. Maybe Yimir chose him because of that, but mentally, he was always that child that wanted to trample the entire world. Thanks for the video, though!
Armin: "Are you saying you did all this for us?"
Eren: "No i didn't"
He also killed two of the friends that your saying he was so desperate to protect.
Eren: "Sasha and Hange died because of me"
These are direct quotes from the final episode. If you want to interpret it that way then its fine, but objectively speaking the character literal says that wasn't his goal.
@@yes6369 I would say he definitely wanted his friends to live peaceful lives which he says, but Eren also says he got his hands on power and it went to his head which is why two of his friends died.
@@austinmoss4134him wanting to protect Paradis and it's inhabitants honestly made more sense
@@malikpierre-louis3343 Explain why
@@austinmoss4134 Him wanting to protect Paradis made way more sense for multiple reasons,so here are couple :
If he wanted his friends to live long lives why would he make the Yeagerists act like absolute guard dogs against the alliance, if he wanted his friends to live long lives why would he let Angie die, why would he risk killing Levai to connect with Zeke in paths , those actions make way more sense if he cared about Paradis and it's future more than his friends lives.I am NOT denying the fact he said before that he wanted his friends to live long lives i am just saying that it makes more sense that
Eren would want his main goal to protect his Paradis rather than his friends because the long lives thing is more so a side thing like i a normal thing not his main goal
Also the "he commited because he is an idiot" bit kinda annoys me because what king garden varaiety idiot would try to understand his ennemy and see that in the enemy camp there are good people,what king of idiot would try to find peaceful solutions first before attacking (an idiot would have done the rumbling immidiately)
And my final reason why him wanting to protect his home made more sense is not realy in universe but more so from a writing standpoint: because let's be honest him wanting to protect Paradis (his home) is more interesting as a motivation than him being an idiot and wanting to protect his friends.
In the end, Floch Forster gets the last laugh.
Exactly
Attack on titan will be down as the most misunderstood manga for either copeing or hate on writer’s decision. One of a kind.
Misunderstood? Wdym? The author left things vague on purpose
@@Night-Shade. yeah I obviously understood why he left it vague.
@@1kbmahan I don't see your point then. If people hate the writer's decision then how is it misunderstood? You can understand the ending and hate it.
@@Night-Shade. definitely, idc anymore about my 3 month comment thanks for the discussion
@@1kbmahan Ok weeb
Falco turning into a bird is bad writing but I completely forgot the fact the Ymir makes all the titans. Also just now realizing the foreshadowing of Falco’s name and him turning into a bird
Wow, great work!!
Zeke mentioned it wasn't the tree and the organism alone that turned Ymir into a Titan. It was her wish to not die, to continue living, it's what manifested her Titan body. So kid gonna have different powers if he gonna have any
I am mindblowed that all the decisions that Eldia and Marley made was all because of YMIR
I almost wonder if there is an accidental parallel between King Fritz and Eren. Considering how Ymir wanted someone who experienced love with someone evil or in pain with that love, that person being Mikasa, and the interpretation that the show was really about Mikasa about what she was meant and supposed to do. It feels almost like the person holding her back, is Eren. It’s pointed out in the show that Mikasa, because of her Ackerman connection is a slave to Eren in a way (erens words ig? I know he’s just saying that to push her away so how true is it from his perspective?) If we’re supposed to look at Mikasa’s perspective at the end of the show, her love for Eren and Ymir specifically choosing her because she is like her, feels strange in terms with Eren. Eren I don’t think treats Mikasa like King Fritz does, he is pretty mean to her throughout the show, but King Fritz specifically abuses Ymir so I don’t know really what to think about it.
Hey Collateral, great video! u made some good points about ymir and fate but i dont agree with ur take on the crying scene.
Eren has always been an emotional but tenacious kid who cries unlike someone truly stoic like Levi. All those examples u gave was after Eren touched Historia’s hand and had to act as the villain so his friends could become the heroes to prevent retaliation after he dies. Eren’s crying scene is impactful because it shows that he was the same Eren we knew all along but he had to act that way so his friends can live long peaceful lives. If he didnt do the rumbling, Marley wouldve invaded after he died from Ymirs curse. would love to see ur response to this
I agree, but just to clarify the ymir thing:
I think peoples main problems is the lack of clarification. If we were given a few more scenes for clarification then it would've been good, but at the same time I think it would've taken away from the ymir stuff as well. The beauty of her character is her subtlety, I mean she's the only character who doesn't speak at all during the show.
The way I interpret it is that ymir was able to become free through eren, armin and finally mikasa. People, like this guy in the video, jump at the fact that eren frees her not mikasa, so it makes no sense. But if eren really did free her, she wouldn't have remained in the paths. Eren shows her that her twisted perception of reality was wrong, and that she has the free will to do whatever she wants. So she does, but she does it from a place of rage. She holds the same mindset of zeke, so in armins conversation with zeke, she realises that there is a different way to approach life, and through him and erens approaches, it allows her to think that her twisted idea of affection wasn't love. She then sees mikasas situation and thinks they're the same, but through her memories, and the fact she kills eren and then kisses him, it shows her that it was the opposite. And so it was mikasa who allowed her to understand her situation, and pass on. But all three of the main cast, and their different viewpoints on life, led to that.
I think the ending was near perfect in what it needed to do. Still at least a 9 out of 10 for me, and the only show I will ever give a 10/10 to to. It is consistently that good, and gets better as it goes on. But I do agree that clarification and a few extra scenes would have made people less confused and prone to hate. Due to the fact that even my take is subjective and not factual, it proves that sort of point.
But I also think that if the ending was clarified more, it'd become too shallow. Like, if they explained ymirs entire mindset like I have in a monolog, it just wouldn't work. So its a difficult one. Honestly my main problems were more the conceptual things. Like the plot was perfect in my eyes, again, disregarding the fact that it is very open to interpretation, but I did love that about it as well. My main issues was the fact that like, for the very end of the narrative, when you have all of these creative titan battles (even in the ending on the founding titan), isayama decides to have a 1 on 1 with two colossal titans, which up until this point have been used as bombs, and have been so slow that they can't really fight. So to see them both go at it like that, and see erens last form be a colossal titan just felt off to me. Also I'm torn about the fact that mikasa carries erens head around and kisses it after she decapitated it. Again, thematically, it beautiful, but watching it I was like "that's a bit weird". Honestly it's just little stuff like that that would bump the score down from a 10 to a 9.5 or a 9 for me. But they're honestly not too bad. I'm here for the story at the end of the day, and imo it was an amazing conclusion.
@@danielclough7996 great take man i agree with most of what u said. i understood the whole colossal titan bomb ability to be something they can choose to do e.g season 1 episode 8 when eren explains how he thought to protect mikasa and armin from the cannon, how bertolt doesnt nuke everytime he transformed, and how everytime armin transformed it made sense for him to nuke. I agree that its weird that armin could fight like that as colossal but erens colossal form could just be a founding titan ability.
Lastly, i know alot of ppl found the beheaded kiss part weird but think thats more subjective 😂isayama definitely wanted us to feel something watching that part whether its beautiful, weird, or gross. he said he wanted to have that scene since the beginning in an interview
@desmondliart fair enough, yeah I agree. I think I just felt like it in the moment, I watched it with two other people and one of them was crying at that scene and the other didn't seem to mind so it was just me anyways it seems. I'm over it now, think it was necessary. I mean he has no body to bury, so the heads' the only thing they have aha
@@danielclough7996 ur not the first person ive heard say that though
@@desmondliart fair enough
In a literal sense, this is the kind of take that made me previously wonder if we watched the same show. When I heard people disliked the ending, I couldn't figure out why, until I watched this. It was interesting, I can see how one might reach these conclusions, but I disagree with so much of it. To me, Ymir is a personification of war. It changes not who the characters are, but what they do. She might see the past and future, but is still limited by who each of them are in her plans. Thus, Ymir depends on the world having idiots, on human sentimentalism and anger, on the fact that they're instantly going to judge what they see without looking past it. It's a commentary about how these characters can and should be judged by the blood on their hands and the atrocities they committed, even when they were manipulated, since who they were actually allowed Ymir to move forward with her plans. And yet, even though they're guilty, the only way to stop this war, even if temporarily, is to actively try your hardest to find peace. This is much like how they work together with Reiner and Annie, even when they admit to killing Marco in a horrific way. That's why to me, Armin doesn't really absolve Eren of his doings, rather coming to terms with the fact that his friend did all of that. The ending says to me that people are slaves to their feelings and instincts, even when they think they're the most rational human beings. How there's no higher freedom than choosing who you are and want to become.
I love the show and I wish i did not watch the end - i am dissapointed. Hope i am one of few.
And about yamir when she freed the pigs instead of fellowing orders that only lead herself to be hunted down so she decided to only fellow orders because to what happened to her when she did not fellow them and about king fritz she loved him because his the only one who acknowledge her and give her the 3 kids its called Stockholm syndrome
And about mikasa do you remember the ovas that covered timelines that timeline we are seeing is only the timeline that Mikasa accepted Eren death
What Ymir is feeling is not Stockholm syndrome tgere os a video about it (made by brownmagic )but bassicely for the victim to be affected the abuser as to treat them somewhat nicely that is how it works Fritz neber treated Ymir nove ever so what she is feeling is not Stockholm syndrome
I took it as Ymir trying to find someone stronger than her. She had to create her own King Fritz and it just took 80% for Mikasa to kill her lover. The main trio are all tragic all around with their own selfish demises.
Historia already did what Ymir wanted and did it better
Perhaps it was neither Eren nor Ymir that was in control of their fate. Perhaps it was the lifeform that gave Ymir the abilities in the first place. If this entity has the ability to see time all at once, perhaps it manipulated Erin/Ymir into a path that would ensure it's continued existence. We learned that Marley was losing it's grip of power in the world with the titans, once thier enemy found out it lost two of them. It was also implied that with increasing technology, the titans weren't even going to be enough to hold power and once their might was gone, the world would likely wipe out the Eldians. So it manipulated Eren (using his wraith) to thin the world's population and give the Eldians a chance to survive while it lay dormant. Long enough for humanity to plunge itself into enough wars to lose the tech that would be a threat to its power. Since it can likely experince time all at once, it would know exactly how long it would need to be dormant for.
When i first saw the white titans spawning at the start of the movie it feels like thr Naruto ninja war thing and that was a bad sign. But i did not expect that Isayama would do the fucking Kaguya thing as well.
Even the issues with the ending aside. the 3 or so years the final season was spread out killed it fir alot of people.
I immediately looked up an ending explained because I knew I couldn’t be the only one who thought this last episode was complete trash. I’m so pissed.
Why is nobody asking this.
Why is ymir such a good sculptor? 😲
becoz she had 2000 years to hone it
people be getting good at st uff by practicing for 1 year let alone 2000
So essentially Ymir and Eizen are on the same wavelength
In my opinion. My favorite anime got butt fucked into the dirt and ended worse than I could have imagined. Erens character was butchered so badly. And all his decisions were pointless in the end. And the Ymir shit. Her loving Fritz being the reason for all this. Aids. Full. Blown. Aids.
Nah, I don’t think Eren broke character at all here. If anything, his breakdown addresses the plothole of how he was able to seamlessly transition from emotional screaming teenager to cold, calculating manipulator.
His decisions weren’t pointless - all the main characters were able to live full lives and enjoy an age of peace, which as established in the Armin/Zeke conversation, is all that really matters.
Ymir loving Fritz could have been setup better yeah, I agree with that.
@@halkon4412I don't necessarily hate the series ended. I just don't really like how we got there. And ya I feel like most of the issue is Ymir and her involvement/motivations. Eren basically turning into her zombie. Just didn't sit well.
@halkon4412 I really don't see how the characters manage to love long lives. Doesn't seem realistic to me. You're telling me that the alliance betrayed their people, slaughtered their comrades, destroyed the port and railways, and never faced any consequences? If this was realistic, any man who betrayed his country and killed his people would be hunted down for life. Armin would be hunted down first because he claimed to kill eren. War should begin as soon the world is back on its feet. The ending wasn't even as realistic as many people claimed.
@@halkon4412that was not a plot hole 😭💀
@@somegrill7561 Yes I know, that’s what I was saying 🙄
This show is damn near impossible to rewath knowing that eren never accomplishs his goal regardless of sacrificing literally everything. They need a second ending one for the "everyones a slave to something" theme and one for the "to rise above monsters you must abandon your humanity". I would love to see the founder being used to create some sort of peace which should be possible due to the power of the hallucinoginia.
It's funny because to me those are the two main themes addressed in this ending. Eren is a slave to freedom and abandons his humanity to try and achieve it. He then realizes he stupid.
Eren did what he had to in order to get the job done. Yeah he lost friends along the way but it had to happen. His short term goal of keeping his people safe in their lifetime was accomplished but the long term of it wasn't accomplished because conflict eventually happens. That's life.
Simple explenation of my point of view(probably confusing based on how much you understand):
From the way I see it, Eren is actually the one that has had all of the power from the start. There is only one timeline, but something that is always true about that timeline is that there was a time that Eren reached Ymir and she gives him power. There would have been a time where by the end of getting that power, Eren would use the influence of the attack titan to basically rewrite history considering the fact that Eren basically transcended time. Eren would make sure that everything he wanted to happen(his freedom as well as the end of Ymir’s curse and all the things he wanted for his friends) would end up happening. So he would have rewritten the timeline by sending memories that influenced the whole timeline probably from the start of titans until the rumbling started. The Eren that we see however is one that had been pushed toward the rumbling his whole life and did not know everything about why and just kept moving forward and did not know what would happen after the rumbling until Ymir gave him her power. While it is true that Ymir wanted the curse to end, that is also something that Eren wanted and it makes perfect sense to me. Sorry if I didn’t explain it well but this is as simple and short as I could explain the fact that Eren was the one who truly had control and if there are any questions feel free to ask.
5:20 Eren was responsible for his mothers death because he made his child self experience things that he needed to in order to get to the point of the rumbling and the end of Ymir’s curse, keep in mind this is the simplest way I can explain that so what I am saying is expected to be confusing but ask questions and I will try to explain more.
6:23 I feel like the author did want us to interpret Eren as pathetic at that time, which I had thought during seeing that for the first time, I don’t see him as pathetic during his breakdown anymore though.
You know what's funny? Armin's attempt to talk down the marley soldiers 'supposedly parallels' his attempt from back in season 1to talk down his own people trying to convince them that Eren's not a threat to them. But the funny thing is, they would've been blasted by the canons if pixis wasn't there that day
I can't help but think of the meme format, it was all Ymir, always has been
I think a lot of people are completely missing the point. Remember what Armin said to Zeke: life is to be enjoyed. There's no greater purpose or reason to anything, simply enjoy the journey. The same sentiment applies to the anime as a whole. I will enjoy it just as much when I rewatch it because quite honestly the premise is really cool and the music is bomb, despite the glaring plot issues. None of the journey is invalidated for me.
Those looking for a greater meaning to the whole thing are simply disappointing themselves. Isayama himself doesn't have some divine knowledge to bestow upon you. He's as human as the rest of us, and he already included quite a bit of commentary on the cyclical nature of life, war, forgiveness, etc.
If anything, I'd say a lot of things about everything leading up to the ending feel rushed probably because Isayama simply thought its time to draw the line, it's been an epic enjoyable journey and it has to end somewhere. So he did the best he could to wrap things up. Time travel doesn't exist, the Paths don't exist, we don't know what the future could be like, we don't know what it would be like if one could manipulate people from the past. So there's no possible way to write some grand revelation and answer to all of our questions.
Well not exactly Eren is slave to the future its called a determined future not yamir because if he give his past self future memories then the future would only thing that can heppen for him to give himself past memories basically a slave to himself
Another thing about Ymir is the scene Eren frees himself from the chains. I think Ymir did that on purpose to fool Eren so he thinks he is the one freeing Ymir. Also, Ymir could see Zeke and Eren planning on the sterilization Eldians that's why Historia got pregnant so fast. She also knew that the age of titans is over due to Marley's new weaponry (she knew that through Eldians in Marley). Through Eren not only she secured safety of Historia but her future (ability to see the future) where humanity will get back to a prehistoric cycle and titans could get back in power again.
Ymir might've manipulated eren but not how you put it, eren says it himself the only reason things kept happening like in his memories was because he wanted to do them. He wanted to see this sight
One thing I've noticed about people who call the ending a "masterpiece" or even just good is that they refuse to talk about anything other than everything around Eren, when the show is about so much more than him, and the problems with the ending include so much more than him.
Here's one you didn't mention for example; remember Yelena? Remember how after Zeke lost against Eren, her one reason left to live was to see the outcome of Eren's choice and be vindicated in that the Euthanasia plan was correct? Too bad Isayama didn't, because he then had her given the choice of seeing the Rumbling personally on Falco's Titan or stay on the boat to do nothing, which for the plot's convenience he had her do the latter, which makes absolutely no sense and left her character arc just unfinished.
Remember how the show made it absolutely clear that Marley has done tons and tons of titan experiments, and that the Beast Titan was proven to be mostly useless for combat? Or that the Female Titan's power is apparently using parts of other titan powers without having to eat them? Well guess what, Falco was given a drop of Zeke's spinal fluid and now has full Beast titan powers better than the actual shifter, completely trivializing the Beast and Female titan powers, as well as having infinite stamina and shifts so he could fly across a continent or two, also trivializing the Cart Titan.
And there's just so many other issues with the ending that this comment could go on forever. There's tons of plotholes with the Founding Titan (Eren loses the power, causing the Rumbling to stop, but then uses it later to return/create paths memories), plotholes with the worm, bad writing with deathbait, so much plot armor, the list goes on.
I thought Eren became the villan to make everyone ban together against a common enemy. But it looks like things haven't changed at all.
When I first watched season 4 I genuinely thought that Ymir was controlling Eren and that she wanted a rumbling out of spite for the world. Eren being a founding titan without having royal blood was her only chance to do this.
Then I thought, Eren probably wanted a rumbling too, considering all that he went through.
As I got to the end of the season I found out Ymir instead had a dumb toxic love interest. And everything Eren did made him seem like an idiot. They couldn’t decide whether they wanted to commit to Eren being antagonistic or not. In the last minute they try to make him someone we should sympathize with, yet instead it just negates everything he fought for and has no logic.
I lost it when they showed Eren being the one to manipulate Grisha. It wasn’t shocking, it was just dumb. Eren was crying in the previous season because his dad stole the founding titan for him, but it turns out he was the one who told Grisha to go ahead with that to begin with? It’s dumb. Same with what happened to Carla. It’s not shocking and it doesn’t make me feel bad for him. What’s worse is that it completely erases all the development Eren went through from losing his mother and from feeling like he doesn’t deserve to be alive if it was actually him who made these events happen to his parents.
Also, I just have to add how much I hate that in the same scene that Eren explains why he wanted Mikasa to move on from him, he proceeds to cry because he doesn’t want her to move on from him. I can’t believe they fumbled our boy this badly…
2 minutes in and you lost me. Are you sure you didn't confused the original Ymir for the other one? We are talking about the Ymir that went right back to her pos of a king to continue serving him even after getting her titan powers, right? The same Ymir that also bared his kids and even jumped in front of a thrown spear for him even after everything he has done to her, right? That woman doesn't have a single manipulative bone in her body.
Ymir being behind it all seems to fix most/all the issues with the final episode... However, that seems like a scapegoat to give the bad ending a pass :/
I can't believe I'm saying this about AoT, but the ending felt too fast. Things just happen without any real buildup, hinting, or explanation. Like, the female titan being able to absorb other titan powers? Since when? I mean, the attack titan can do that as shown when Eren gains hardening ability, but how is the female titan supposed to be unique in that regard? Or was that line a mistranslation? Falco being able to turn into a bird because he has part of the beast titan inside him was just stupid. What allows the jaw titan to manifest other titans like that? And it's so convenient that it happened to be a bird. Basically just deus ex machina at that point.
I think there was line from annie that she was made to swallow all sort of stuff 😏 probably spinal fluid extracted from previous titan shifters to gain some of their abilities
My view on Falco is a more thematic one. He and Gabi are introduced at the same time. Gabi is clearly a parallel to Eren, with her blind rage and stubbornness. But I think Falco is equally as much a part of Eren. Falco is Erin's want of freedom, pure. Eren sees birds as free because they could fly above the walls. The first thing Falco does is tell a bird to fly away from the war, to be free. They both pine for freedom, and both see birds as that freedom.
So when Falco gets the Jaw Titan (which isn't unique, all titans can be made hybrids with spinal fluid as far as I know), it manifests in the beast that has always mattered the most. A bird.
Now, what I think is the nail in the coffin, Erens Founding Titan. By far, the largest titan we have ever seen. It towers above Colossals easily. We see inside Eren's head while he is up there. He looks over the clouds and thinks, "This is freedom". The next episode, Armin asks Eren how exactly he is free. That's because Eren is not free. He might have tricked himself, but he still stands on the same ground as his enemies, he still marches towards conflict. He had the founder, he could have decided to fly away, but he wanted to flatten the world, because he isn't just the free spirit of Falco, he also is the rage of Gabi. Only by not giving in to hate, was Falco able to truly be free.
@@cianohannrachain4902 Great interpretation, definitely more thematic then logical, but I can accept that lol
You should learn to live in the present moment rather than lament on your feelings and expectations of the show. Be an Armin not an Eren.
I think you didn't get alot of stuff, at 7:55 for example, Eren isn't being forced by the future exactly, eren is being forced by his goals. This is the best he could do to accomplish the most of his goals.
The lack of agency is the point: fate is a cruel mistress
Right. I doubt it's Ymir controlling everything. The story is a commentary on the ugly fate of humanity. We're doomed to repeat ourselves no matter what.
Except that destroying your characters agency to make everything pointless is not good storytelling as it makes everything feel lame even if it's the point AOT is still a story and a story needs a point if a story doesn't have a point then it feels like a waste of time for the viewer or reader.
@@CDSchweigerSo what following these characters was pointless following this storyline for multiple years was pointless if the characters actions were just going to repeat the cycle what was the point on focusing the story on them.
Sorry but stories need conclusion so you can't just make the cycle that the characters were trying to break repeat as it makes everything pointless even if it is on voluntary.
Stories have conclusions if they don't the viewer or reader will feel like they wasted their time.
I don't think even Ymir has agency
It's closed time loop.
The Original Titan had the power of all 9 titan shifters, including the Attack Titan.
All she saw that she was a slave of King Fritz so she remained like that, up until Eren gives her freedom. But there is no true freedom for both her and Eren or anyone else for that matter. Only Eren recognises this tho, but only for himself
I don't know if I like this, but I have to say it's a pretty neat tieing things together
I didn't understand shit of the ending, but disabled Levi is funny. I liked the ending.
We know that paradis map wise is an upside down madagascar, so by that logic, that 20% of the world's population left is still 100 if not 1000 times more people than paradis's. So yams chose to forgot his mathematics just so he could try and "fix" the ending
Bro I just finished the show and that sh*t was depressing! 😭Like I was watching Eren and Armin talking after he died and I was soooo confused I was like "Yo I'm so confused what's happening." I like how Conny and the other were turned back into humans. Seeing Jean and Conny hold eachother before turning into titans was so sad. I cried a few times in the final chapter... Imagine the credits end and it says based of a true story... 💀
I love this show to death, and they even had me with the time travel shit I love that kinda stuff but I seriously had to ignore some of the Ymir stuff near the end cause it was wacky as hell.
I wonder, how Eren could manipulate Mikasas Memories? I thought, the Ackermans are save from every manipulation that comes from the Titans Power. Or did I miss something?
we will get the true ending in 2024 to many songs foreshadow different outcome
I literally said "Cremate Eren's head, dont plant it next to a tree damn it! The founder might grow back." While i was watching it.
I will say, I agree, it makes it all feel pointless, like there was never any hope for Eren from the beginning. But on some level I kind of like that twist, its pretty wild honestly amd shows just how much Ymir had control over al the Eldians.
No offence to your theory, I mean its your thoughts and maybe you are right that Iseyama wanted it that way, but in my opinion, the idea that Ymir planned everything, or manipulated all the events so it happened a certain way is not only wrong but goes against what most of the story was telling us. To me, it wasn;t that Ymir chose it all to happen a certain way, its that everyone's choices made it happen a certain way. With AOT being a deterministic timeline, that doesnt mean it was something like Fate or a godly ymir that pushed everyone to do things a certain way that caused the future that happened, its that everone's choices made that future happen, Ymir just being one person that did that. I dont think Eren was a slave to Ymir, he in fact wanted the Rumbling to happen for his own reasons and made choices accordingly. When he tried to stop the future after realising he would cause the Rumbling, it was already too late, he had seen the one and only future that existed due to his own choices and the choices of others.
This might seem rambly, but the point I am trying to make is that the future happened due to EVERYONE's choices and couldnt have happened any other way due to those choices. Ymir was just one person making her own choices.
I didn't like this ending so much that I forgot I watched it when it first came out. There are very few "become the demon so a hero can kill me" moments that are good. One of them is Code Geass. This... All your points, is what pissed me off so much that I deliberately forgot it. That said, it's still better then a lot of recent Disney.
So ya, I completely agree.
Regarding Eren's pathetic outburst. Personally, I saw it as a small glimpse of who he was if he hadn't put up so many walls around him, pushed everyone away, and made his sole purpose to bring about the rumbling. I believe in that short moment, he was not talking as Eren the destroyer, Eren the founder or Eren the tyrant. But as Eren, the boy from Shiganshina district.
Bravo collateral 👏 You've addressed the flaw of the AOT plot and explained most manga readers hate the ending even though we love AOT since the start ❤ The disappointment is realising that all of this is just Ymir fault for staging the Rumbling and to see Mikasa kill Eren to validate her own sin of loving King Fritz is just horrible writing and worse plot twist I've seen whether in anime nor any fiction...
Here is another twist. If Ymir was the first Titan and all her children had royal blood...doesn't that mean that in theory, all of her subjects should have royal blood to a degree?
Not exactly, just distantly related even though they have a common ancestor.
If you go back enough generations, over 50 for arguments sake, there is a really good chance most people in a room of 100 different people will have a common ancestor.
In Ymir’s case, the royal family would probably have been created a few generations after her death as her descendants reproduced with more genetically different people creating “watered down bloodlines” next to a “purer bloodline” with the closest genetic markers to Ymir. This bloodline would most likely have practiced inbreeding to an extent with a close circle of nobility that had closer ties to Ymir than other members of the Eldian race, thus preserving the close genetic connection to Ymir.
Same thing happened in the royal families of Europe. They are all closely related biologically and most Europeans can trace their lineage to one of their ancestors as well.
Yes, but the fact is even with watered down royal blood they still got some tho 😂
@@xLoganWong they are related to Ymir, but it’s so watered down it’s almost negligible, enough to use the power of titans but not enough to command Ymir with the founding titan. Only her direct descendants with the greatest concentration of her blood would qualify.
It could also be the case that the royal bloodline stemmed from only one of Ymir’s three children, probably whichever one inherited the founding titan. That leaves two descendants of Ymir without “royal blood” or blood compatible with the founding titan.
Every Eldian would be related to Ymir in some way, but only one specific bloodline could be “directly” traced back to her.
The thing with royal blood is, you either have it or you don’t. You can’t be half royal blood or 1% royal blood.
...I definitely don't get the idea that Ymir was puppeteering anything... like at all...
If we take in consideration, that the theme of free will is a prevalent theme in this show, then it is not correct to assume that in this entire show was no present. I personally am inclined to believe the time loop theory in which Eren just repeats his life until he reaches the real freedom in his own demise by hands of Mikasa. He finally achieved a peace for his commrades. The act of Mikasa killing him is another example of free will, due to the fact that she is an Ackerman family, people whose sole purpouse was to protect the founding titan. Eventhough she loved him (same as Ymir loved Fritz), she killed him in the end - this was the moment Ymir was freed, someone could make one thing Ymir was never able to do.
So I firmly believe, this show has a great ending - Ymir free, Eren free (😞), Mikasa free and everyone of his friends living in peace. (Sadly 80% of all people died for this ending, so may their soul rest in peace)
I love how there are so many interpretations. I see it differently.
Eren became messed up after connecting with Historia. With that knowledge, he then decided the future was worth it and couldn’t be changed anyway. It can’t be changed because it’s still what Eren wants. So the outcome is “predetermined” not because Ymir made it so, but because it’s what Eren wanted to do anyway (aka, the rumbling). In the manga he says, “ even if I didn’t know that you’d stop me in the end… I think I still would have flattened this world.” He did the rumbling because he saw it happen, but he also always wanted to do it. That’s why he had the whole conversation with Reiner. They both knew their actions were wrong but killing for x reason was what they wanted to do.
Also, Eren (and I think Ymir) did NOT know the outcome. Eren says in the manga, “As for me, even I still don’t know what Mikasa will do.”
Yes but Ymir still laid down that path for him, which he had to go down on (because his head was messed up by the Founding). That path (i.e. 80% Rumbling, Mikasa's choice, Sasha, Floch and Hange dying) was made by Ymir. So while Eren wanted to do the Rumbling (and wanted to complete it) he was also compelled to follow that path, so he didn't have any real agency after he touched Historia's hand.
@@mariodoccia6129 I see your point. If you think about it, we could also be living in a pre-deterministic world. 🫠 For everyone it feels like you have freedom and choice, and that you make decisions, but there is something behind the scenes that has already happened in determined your future. Eren was just able to see that future when everyone else can’t.
Time travel fuckery and predestination never works well
7:00 eren took off the mask. Its ok for men not be strong all the time 😭 let men show emotion!
Whaaatt do you really think its pathetic that eren said he wants mikasa to love him forever??? I think its romantic, love is selfish. Thats very sweet in a round about way
Well, as Armin said , " If there are no people no war will occur. It sounds like a bad joke ". Also Erwin quoted ; "Humans will fight one another untill there's one human left or other" so whenever ANYONE has fought, the peace has always been just temporary. Even if we take reference of Naruto, We see peace is something we cant accomplish for eternity. So it isn't right to say everything Eren did was in vain. He sought peace for the small period of time (150-140) years in my pov. Now the next generation will seek it with their power and hope so with less cruelty.
summary of the video : Ymir is Hajime Isayama.
I'm realising... the more great points i hear about the ending... the more i understand both why people hate it and that the reason i like it, is because i dont believe in free will and any worth in the conzept of life...
... kinda like Ymir xD
Still, the Ending shouldn't extinguesh the love we have for every other episode of this amazing story! :D
>don't believe in free will
>enjoys show about people trying to attain freedom
just found it amusing :P
For me, it extinguishes the love I had for the very first episode of the series. I can't watch that episode again knowing eren is the one who actually killed his mother. Ending totally ruined that scene for me.
When Eren see's his titan mother again: (Eren hysterical). "Nothing Changed! (referring to himself) You haven't changed one bit, dammit! You're still as useless as you ever were! Nothing Changed! (Hysterical screaming & crying)... Mom... I... can't... I still... Can't do anything at all...". Eren wasn't free. He regretted his choices. But being in a space where he's conditioned by all timelines: past, present, and future, "messed with his head" and left him no choice.
If Ymir is responsible for Sasha's death, then she is the worst person to walk in aot
I think Isayama never got the time to write Mikasa as "Ymir's savior". Eren even saids "I got no fucking clue why but Ymir choose Mikasa"
I hate how Mikasa went of being second most stronger soldier from humanity to Eren's lap dog. If they need to put Mikasa as a "savior" they would write Mikasa like a girl who's not agreed with Eren but she owns his lifeto Eren's, that way she couldn't just said "no" to him. She let Eren do everything and when she said "no" was to late, but she do what she had to do en kill Eren
Also, they need to chance some thing about "future seing". I meant, Eren could see his future and what HE would do. Bot NOT what would happen with other characters. That way he would make a choise not knowing the real consecuences of his act.
And Ymir could see the future limited as well. Kinda like she send a massage to the furure to someone who could free her but no knowing exactly whos that person is until it really happen. That way, she would help Eren, thinking he is her savior, but in the end, she see truly freedom in Mikasa, someone who will kill the love of her life to seek freedom. The real definition of "what ever it takes"
Just watched the ending and.... i feel the same way.
The last episode was kinda a letdown..
Falco turning into a bird and showing up in the last moment was very random and kinda ruined all the stakes, Erhen's reasoning and last minute crysimping was a huge wtf moment....
And the fact that if you die you show up in heaven with all the past comrades made every danger pointless... who care when 80% dies if those 80% just keep going in the afterlife. It made it seem as if dying was the only way to end up happy.
Didnt like it....
The last episode was a huge shift from the rest of the show. 13:25
I'm not going to lie, I'd rather think that Season 4 of Shingeki no kyojin, never ever happened. The ending was so ASS, that it genuinely made me think that watching this series was an utter waste of time. Despite how well written, engaging and epic the first three seasons were, I can't really excuse the Autor for having a stroke at the very end.
I don't know about You guys, but I despite with all of my heart stories where the previous events, character arcs, stakes and losses DON'T MATTER by the end, just because somehow, someway, the Cycle of violence, loss or chaos just so happens repeats itself, and in the case of this series, in the most stupid and arbitrary way possible.
A lot of people might try to pull a snarky smart-ass comment like "Hey that's just like REAL LIFE, where the same mistakes are repeated over and over again". But honestly fuck that, this is fiction we are talking about, most people don't care if the series takes inspiration from life life events in one way or another, visual media is an escape from reality, period. The story of AOT was always been tragic and dark, but also surprisingly inspiring as well, as our protagonists always overcame the challenges and horrors they faced, always coming out on top, but not without major losses, trauma and scars... All I'm saying is that the series could have ended in much more positive or interesting note.
The sad thing here is that Shingeki no kyojin was something special, lightning in a bottle kind of special. And this absolute dog-shit ending just leaves a sour taste, and at least for me personally, ruins the rest of the series, because it was all pointless by the end.
Thank You Isayama for snorting 20kg of fentanyl just before ending the series, truly a based and sigma male power-move.
I don't think Ymir was in control of everything. And here's why:
As a victim of abuse myself it makes perfect sense to me why Ymir was "in love" with Fritz. Ymir wanted a family, connection, a husband and children. Fritz gave her all of that and then rewarded her with praise for helping him conquer everything. To a victim of abuse, this is enough to fall "in love". And I use the quotes because she wasn't actually in love. Like all abuse victims, she convinced herself that she was in love in order to avoid the reality of her situation.
Without Fritz, she would have had no children, no family and no purpose. At least from her perspective. She could have, at any point, killed Fritz and taken the throne for herself but she didn't because she associated him with the only good things that were in her life. In the end, abuse tricks you into believing that you need your abuser more than anything else and that separating yourself from them will cause you to lose everything you care about. Ymir was not a slave to Fritz, she was a slave to the lie she and all other abuse victims tell themselves out of fear. That's why Mikasa was the one who set her free and not Eren. Eren told her she was wrong but Mikasa proved it.
All the choices Eren made was not due to Ymir, its perfectly in his character. The reason why when he looked in the future there was no version where he didn't go with the rumbling, wasn't because of Ymir. It was because the ones where he didn't do the rumbling, or did a limited rumbling, would require him to put his faith in the people of the outside world to make the right choices that would lead to a good outcome. But Eren would never choose that path because as he said during his last message to his friends in the paths, he wasn't going to leave anything to chance. Eren wanted freedom, freedom means control, and he would never give up control of the ending to his potential enemies. Any ending he didn't have 100% control of would be off the table for him. He just wouldn't risk it.
I get why you have your perspective on the ending, but I see it completely differently, and I like what I see. Also I literally only just finished watching the ending like and hour ago which is why I'm dumping this here 6 months later. Sorry.
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Eren is a tragic hero. The game was rigged right from the start. No amount of sheer determination, dedication, or hard work changed anything in the end. Ymir was controlling the events in his life and his father's right from the start. I loved the ending. Especially knowing that Mikasa was able to move on and live a happy life (Probably with Jean), while also not forgetting who Eren was.
Is this Dark souls Music? :D
Elden ring x attack on Titan mix from Jaden-Core music (link is in the description)
I have some questions:
Hold on why would Ymir want to trample the outside world isn't she the one that used to oppress them with her titan powers? It's her fault in the first place right?
Also i wouldn't interpret the general pointing his guns at them as a sign of hate, 5 minutes ago they transomed in his face unexpectedly, so he was scared and rightfully so, otherwise he wouldn't give them a chance to prove themselves. but when the titan shifters didn't transform to fight back that proves that they lost their titan powers.
What happens in the far future with the tree doesn't matter to us, the worm is just a form of life, it doesn't necessarily give you titan power ,as Zeke explained, Ymir wished for an immortal body and feared death so she got titan powers and the paths(where there is no death) however this new kid is not driven by fear like that but by curiosity, he might get something completely different and have an utterly different story.
It doesn't matter what happens in the far unpredictable future, you have to do your best for your time that you live in and each generation lives its time.
Also i don't like the way that you said that Eren used to be stoic (which he wasn't, being cold is not stoic) and therefore he can't be pathetic in his final moments with his best friend, did you notice that the Eren being pathetic only happened in the paths. Eren kept his cold static face all the way until Mikasa killed him he didn't even flinch. Which means he kept his cool in real life to reach his goal and that's what matters, if he wants to be pathetic in the paths where it doesn't change anything because he will erase their memory anyway so be it.
If you want to go that deep into details about how Ymir's wish for survival was what created the titans, good luck telling me that kid isn't desperately wanting to live after going down the titan tree slip-n-slide filled with water and nearly drowning to death. Even if that wasn't the case I don't believe that's a compelling argument anyway. If that scene is supposed to be pointless, then why is it being shown to us? Because it's cool? Because story starting and ending with a tree is cool?
Ymir wanted to trample the world because it was Eren's desire. The moment Eren embraced her, he looked upon her life and she looked upon his. So the decision of Rumbling was both of their collective decision after knowing each others pain.
This was stupidity of Isayama himself, as he was too much focused on Mikasa and Armin, that he forgot how humans react to such situation in real life, so this is a writting mistake, ofc
I agree with your point, but this was left on cliffhanger, so we would theorize what could happen, but may never know, because Isayama dropped his pen from that point.
If you defending Eren's final action then please rewatch the series or all the scenes of Eren, you are not understanding his primary and by birth nature, to achieve freedom by any way possible. Eren did cared for Mikasa but not like he was doing Rumbling because of her or for her, if he doing so, he is most stupid character of all time. If he needed to enjoy final moments with his friend, he already did it when drinking with them in tents with those Mid East refugees, otherwise he could have talked in more better and like mature 19 years old boy, not saying shits like a 9 year old kid.
@@nts0n that was already established by Zeke, she got titan power from her wanting to survive, and the paths because she wanted a world with no death. But that plot point ended right there.
@@jaipandey7142 well i didn't get the feeling that she cared about what happens in the real world anyway, since her time passed long ago, i thought she gave him the power because he asked her rather than order her like Zeke did, it's that simple, moments before that she was going to do the euthanasia plan .
@@adelboukabous8225 He at first asked to give him power, which is requesting, yes not ordering. Then he said you are free, you can choose. So she choose to give him power to destroy the world. And since Ymir was peeked into everyone's memory and Paths are timeless, also Eren was in contact with her. So I assume she did felt Eren's rage and understood him by looking into his life, that's why she cried and later stood side by side with Eren
THE ENDING WAS PERFECT RAAAH
I think your kinda misunderstood on some stuff. Eren knows Mikasa kills him. But, in the convo with Armin, hes saying he doesn't know how it was Mikasa who set ymir free. He knows Mikasa kills him but doesn't know how it effects Ymir. He wasn't implying he didn't know Mikasa killed him at all.
Another thing. I think, in order for the effects of the future to act on the present. The present must wait for that "future" otherwise that specific "future" wouldn't even happen. Also I think ymir wanted to see it for herself, to kinda reassure her y'know. I think the ending is perfect, is all I'm saying. I love aot❤
And ANOTHER THING. The scene with Armin and Eren talking about Mikasa. PUT YOURSELF IN THE GUYS SHOES!! What else can he do other than except it....
ISAYAMA IS A GENIUS, OKAY?
Its an allegory for modern life. Modern life is not satisfying. So the ending won‘t be either. They stayed true to the lesson at the cost of our emotional connection to the character. Nobody but, the rich and powerful have agency in today‘s world. We are all on a track designed to benefit them.
Well it's fiction not real life even if fiction can be sad it can still be satysfying
AOT basically pulled a “Kaguya” like Naruto did at the end
It has the same problem as the Lost show. Everything was the "afterlife", that shit removes so many impactful things,moments,characters, decisions etc etc.
Just finished watching the show. And I think the ending was perfect. We didn't get sunshine and rainbows, we got reality. There is always going to be a bad guy, scapegoat, and victim. The temporary peace that was obtained was short lived. Eldia got bommed and turned to rubble and that would have happened sooner. If Eren didnt wipe out 80% of humanity. I belive the kid at the end is a reincarnation of Eren. The cycle will repeat. As it repeats irl.
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My take is that everything was normal until Eren kisses Historias hand, when he was given the sight and memories of the past and future.
This part sends Eren into the plan we see, all the way up until he "wakes up" Ymir in the paths, and at THAT point, Ymirs plan was put into place, which explains why Eren starts to question and even fight back against his own actions.
I dont believe Ymir had Mikasa in mind until after that awakening, and if Mikasa hadnt killed Eren, Ymir would likely fall back into her 2000 year slave mind.
I do think Ymir has a heavy hand in the plot, but to say all the characters had no free will at any point in the show seems insane, UNLESS Ymir was indeed meant to be evil from the start, even though the premise was that she was the victim to the evil King.
Perhaps Ymir was waiting for the Founder Titan to be obtained by someone who didn't have control over her past, which, i believe would make Eren the first, and only.
The idea that it was all for nothing is a gross misunderstanding. The main characters achieved their version of freedom when they were playing in the water while still on the island. Ideally, if they just took control of the ENTIRE ISLAND instead of being stuck behind walls, they could effectively ensure that no new titans every arrived in the first place, as well as be ready for any Marlians who may sail to the island. This ALSO would have given them a functional boat to sail ANYWHERE except into "enemy territory" which at this point, only Eren could see.
Many plot points could have been skipped entirely if Ymir was truly in control the whole time, including Eren recieving and sharing everything he already knew to ensure as few of his friends got caught in the crossfire to begin with.
Ymir being more prominent in the last arc was kinda meh. I dont think they shouldve even really explained her origins. But in the end, Kenny was right. Everyone is a slave to something
Personally, I headcanon that "needing to see Mikasa's choice" is just a bullshit excuse that Ymir fed to Eren. Stuck in her own personal hell for what was, from her perspective, countless eons made Ymir grow bitter and vengeful. She purposefully orchestrated things so she'd have the ability and the excuse to flatten the whole world. Eren is stubborn though, and giving him the stick only ever makes him retaliate. So she offered him a carrot in the promise that he'd be guaranteeing his friends' safety - just enough to make him doubt, to make him not fight quite so hard. Ymir probably figured that with such massive ecological destruction the rest of the outside world would tear itself apart fighting over the scraps of resources, and maybe she was even hoping the people of Paradis would die too, considering how they were left on the cusp of civil war.