I’m a supporter of PowerStack batteries, but I’m not sure how you can say with such certainty that they will last longer. Just because Dewalt says they will last longer doesn’t mean it’s true. It’s too early to tell. They claim double the charge cycles (or whatever longer lifecycle), but since we’ve only had them for a few years, we can’t really be confident that it’s true. If they really wanted to put their money where their claims are, they should have given us a 5 year warranty with these new batteries. Here’s a potential situation, let’s say I have 2 5Ah batteries, one normal 18650 cells, and one PowerStack. Let’s say I use them both and do 1,000 cycles (I’m making this number up, but let’s say it’s in excess of what we expect the normal battery to do). If you’re within the 3 year warranty and it fails they will replace it, regardless of if it’s PowerStack or not. If PowerStack is more expensive and you can get normal 5Ah batteries for significantly cheaper, I think going with the cheaper battery now is also a safe bet. As far as I know, and I have done a few battery warranty claims with Dewalt, they don’t check the battery to determine if it was cycled too much. I’ve never even had to return my bad batteries, but that might just be because I live in Hawaii and they don’t have a service center here anymore. They literally ship me a replacement battery via a freight forwarder and they have the tiny little box with the battery in it strapped to a half palette.
Bro, that 54v saw weigh's a damn ton! Defo not a one handed tool... All my 54v tools are insanely heavier than the 18v versions. But loving that the flexvolt batteries work on all the 18v tools. 🙂
I’ve been doing a ton of work on decks these days, and I’ve logged a bunch of hours with my belt sander and noticed my XR 5ah battery has better runtime than my powerstack batteries.
Hahaha. I was legit at my store and asked the counter guy "Does Dewalt have like a brochure so I can figure out what the hell is going on with all this?"
I’ve moved almost completely to PowerStack. I think I have 15 of the 1.7Ah ones and 8 of the 5Ah ones. I’m a bit disappointed that Dewalt didn’t make the warranty 5 years on the PowerStack stuff, especially since they claim that it can support way more cycles. The 1.7Ah is the perfect size for most hand tools for DIY use. I have an 11 year old 2Ah Dewalt battery that is still working fine so I feel like their batteries already have a great service life. I’ve had a couple of 5Ah batteries that died, but that was probably because I was trying to eek the last bit of power out of the battery and didn’t know the trick to jump start the battery from another battery.
I hate the “power stack” “Power pack” are great. I don’t like how there is no 1 more screw. When it runs out of power it just stops. I know it’s a safety thing for the battery’s but man it sucks when the last screw needs to go in and you can’t squeeze out just a bit more.
Love my 5ah powerstack. I literally just charged it today for the first time in over a month and I keep it in my DCF850 only and I use it everyday. Love the 1.7 too but it doesn't compare to longevity to the 5ah.
Another advantage of Powerstack that I don't think you mentioned in cold weather performance. Yes, they are not immune to performance decrease in cold weather but not as much as the cylindrical cells.
Jim, you best be leaving the batteries and drills in an organized side position for better viewing or Vince is going to walk out there and adjust it for you. lol
It should also be mentioned I've seen a TH-cam video where a guy actually measured the the power output between the Flexvolt Advatage/XR/poweradvantage/powerstack. I will not be getting rid of the flexvolt batteries for my FVA anytime soon. I also will not be buying the power pack battery anytime soon either. The PP starts out at 8ah. A FV 9ah can run my FV/FVA/XR/Atomic tools just fine
If you camp on the sales from different vendors, you can find the 5mp power stack for roughly $100 and 2 of the small power stacks for around the same price.
Over the years we collect more batteries than needed of multiple size and type with deals and new tools - hence I find that I have a complete library of all sizes - rather than stress about it I just pick a battery that will get the job done.
8hrs a day 5 and even 6 days a week 3Ah 12v (impact). Union Carpenter Interior Systems dealing with metal screws. 12v because it's right alongside my 3 Beam green laser. I do have an 887 w/ 3Ah in my truck as a back up impact. I also sometimes use my 996 w/ 5Ah batteries for installing "I" Lags with a screw pole (need a 1/2" chuck). 6Ah for batteries for long runtimes and I save my 8Ah for any grinding I may need to do. For any saws I go with the 5Ah.
So...my wife has a t-shirt that says, "I am silently correcting your grammar". Here we go. The blurb should say "You are, that is, you're, using..." NOT "your using..."
not strictly true on the charge cycles Lithium polymer batteries(which is wot is in the powerstack batts) and 18650 batteries typically have similar charge cycles, lasting around 300-500 charge cycles before their capacity significantly decreases
@@DesiveLara call Dewalt, they will replace it under warranty if your date code is within 3 years, if older than 3 years and you have a receipt showing that you purchased it within 3 years they will also replace it.
Listen, maybe it's just me but batteries are OBSCENELY expensive for most name brands. And don't give me the quality and cost, they are marked and overmarked up just because they can.
Powerstack was a huge waste of time. 1.7ah and 5ah only. They were never clear on who it was intended for. In truth I love the 1.7ah for small jobs, and my impact. I did buy 4 of the 5ah Powerstack from HD only because they were clearing them out at $75 each.
@@JacobOverman how come? I’m ready to pull the trigger on x3 5AH’s and x5 1.7AH Power Stacks, TH-cam reviews seem positive but I’ve been reading mixed reviews from real world users. Cheers
I absolutely hate dewalt’s battery line up. The most confusing lineup. All the other manufacturers made lineup simple, easy and more powerful. I love their tools. Their drills are my favourite.
Just want to make sure I’m understanding this. A PowerStack will last 3x as an XR? Therefore spending $170-ish on a PowerStack is better than $300 for 3 XR’s. Just making sure I understand that’s what you’re saying.
Hi Thomas, I believe that you are correct in your understanding of what he meant. Li-ion (conventional cylindrical cells used in XR packs) tend to have higher ACIR (resistance) than a comparable Li-Po (pouch cells used in the powerstak batteries). The real-life effect of this difference in resistance is that a conventional Li-ion battery pack will get hotter than a comparable Li-Po battery pack, when attempting to discharge at the same current and voltage. This heat is bad for the cells, and is one of the key causes of state of health degradation.
That's because he's got it backwards. From dewalts website "20V MAX* tools featuring FLEXVOLT ADVANTAGETM technology recognize FLEXVOLT® batteries to deliver more power than with standard 20V MAX* batteries†..."
That battery on a recip saw just looked silly. Idk when that would be the ideal way to do things. There are tools for something that big and that's not it.
I have a 15 amp that is not even a year old that when it goes down one bar it locks out and most tools that require the power will not run them like it’s dead
If your buying dewalt your buying wrong, you don't gotta worry about a right and wrong battery with milwaukee, because they all work the same, they just have different battery life
Incorrect. I love my PowerStack battery on my impact and love my dewalt stuff. And my M12 vacuum and circ saw are horrendous with the CP2.0s but work great with the HO 5.0ah. Don’t be ignorant.
I hear you. They only last so long, and they're big bucks to replace. All my milwaukee batteries are going tits up. I'm ready to go back to the cord for most everything except drills and impacts. Circular saws, sawzalls, routers, all last way longer corded.
@VCGConstruction I wasn't saying yall are, it was probably your autocorrect/word prediction that messed it up. "You're* buying and using DeWalt batteries all wrong."
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I’m a supporter of PowerStack batteries, but I’m not sure how you can say with such certainty that they will last longer. Just because Dewalt says they will last longer doesn’t mean it’s true. It’s too early to tell. They claim double the charge cycles (or whatever longer lifecycle), but since we’ve only had them for a few years, we can’t really be confident that it’s true. If they really wanted to put their money where their claims are, they should have given us a 5 year warranty with these new batteries. Here’s a potential situation, let’s say I have 2 5Ah batteries, one normal 18650 cells, and one PowerStack. Let’s say I use them both and do 1,000 cycles (I’m making this number up, but let’s say it’s in excess of what we expect the normal battery to do). If you’re within the 3 year warranty and it fails they will replace it, regardless of if it’s PowerStack or not. If PowerStack is more expensive and you can get normal 5Ah batteries for significantly cheaper, I think going with the cheaper battery now is also a safe bet. As far as I know, and I have done a few battery warranty claims with Dewalt, they don’t check the battery to determine if it was cycled too much. I’ve never even had to return my bad batteries, but that might just be because I live in Hawaii and they don’t have a service center here anymore. They literally ship me a replacement battery via a freight forwarder and they have the tiny little box with the battery in it strapped to a half palette.
Then there's the potential fire hazard in your trucks back seat.
lol a bit of arm shake when holding that recip saw with one hand 😂
Great, and informative video though 👍🏻
Bro, that 54v saw weigh's a damn ton! Defo not a one handed tool... All my 54v tools are insanely heavier than the 18v versions. But loving that the flexvolt batteries work on all the 18v tools. 🙂
I’ve been doing a ton of work on decks these days, and I’ve logged a bunch of hours with my belt sander and noticed my XR 5ah battery has better runtime than my powerstack batteries.
Hahaha. I was legit at my store and asked the counter guy "Does Dewalt have like a brochure so I can figure out what the hell is going on with all this?"
😉
The 5ah XR before powerstack was the best ever.
I’ve moved almost completely to PowerStack. I think I have 15 of the 1.7Ah ones and 8 of the 5Ah ones. I’m a bit disappointed that Dewalt didn’t make the warranty 5 years on the PowerStack stuff, especially since they claim that it can support way more cycles. The 1.7Ah is the perfect size for most hand tools for DIY use. I have an 11 year old 2Ah Dewalt battery that is still working fine so I feel like their batteries already have a great service life. I’ve had a couple of 5Ah batteries that died, but that was probably because I was trying to eek the last bit of power out of the battery and didn’t know the trick to jump start the battery from another battery.
I hate the “power stack”
“Power pack” are great.
I don’t like how there is no 1 more screw. When it runs out of power it just stops. I know it’s a safety thing for the battery’s but man it sucks when the last screw needs to go in and you can’t squeeze out just a bit more.
Love my 5ah powerstack. I literally just charged it today for the first time in over a month and I keep it in my DCF850 only and I use it everyday. Love the 1.7 too but it doesn't compare to longevity to the 5ah.
Another advantage of Powerstack that I don't think you mentioned in cold weather performance. Yes, they are not immune to performance decrease in cold weather but not as much as the cylindrical cells.
Jim, you best be leaving the batteries and drills in an organized side position for better viewing or Vince is going to walk out there and adjust it for you. lol
🤣
I see Jimmy with the Yellow&Black, I click like…simple
Awesome, thanks!
Thanks Jay! ⚫🟡
It should also be mentioned I've seen a TH-cam video where a guy actually measured the the power output between the Flexvolt Advatage/XR/poweradvantage/powerstack.
I will not be getting rid of the flexvolt batteries for my FVA anytime soon. I also will not be buying the power pack battery anytime soon either. The PP starts out at 8ah. A FV 9ah can run my FV/FVA/XR/Atomic tools just fine
Im still using the same two 2ah batteries on my drywall screw gun, since they came onto the market, and i do this for a living, 5ah on routers...
Thank you for this video! Thanks god I almost buy useless batteries. 😂
You're welcome!!
If you camp on the sales from different vendors, you can find the 5mp power stack for roughly $100 and 2 of the small power stacks for around the same price.
What website
Amazon
If you love working, get the biggest. If you love charging, waiting, and whining, get a smaller one.
Over the years we collect more batteries than needed of multiple size and type with deals and new tools - hence I find that I have a complete library of all sizes - rather than stress about it I just pick a battery that will get the job done.
Any size Flexvolt are my go to
I got a 1.7ah and 5ah powerstack for a total of $110. $110 for 5ah with the 1.7ah free. Got it on clearance and love it.
That’s awesome, glad you scored!
Great Deal!
@VCGConstruction learned alot from watching your channel. First time home owner.
8hrs a day 5 and even 6 days a week 3Ah 12v (impact). Union Carpenter Interior Systems dealing with metal screws. 12v because it's right alongside my 3 Beam green laser. I do have an 887 w/ 3Ah in my truck as a back up impact. I also sometimes use my 996 w/ 5Ah batteries for installing "I" Lags with a screw pole (need a 1/2" chuck). 6Ah for batteries for long runtimes and I save my 8Ah for any grinding I may need to do. For any saws I go with the 5Ah.
@VCG construction can you do a review on best modular tool boxes
Sure, we can do a follow up to the ones we’ve already done…
I've had my batteries for 10 years and they work fine. I don't need a battery that lasts 40 years. There will be new tech by then anyway.
Cool story bro
I’m still using the original XR batteries that came with my tools many years ago. I’ve never had one fail and they hold a charge as good as new.
Dewalt Powerstack, Powerpack, next up “Dewalt Flexpack”! 😂
So...my wife has a t-shirt that says, "I am silently correcting your grammar". Here we go.
The blurb should say "You are, that is, you're, using..." NOT "your using..."
where I should go an buy dewalt battery original.... not fake??
Thanks for the explanation! 👍
You bet!
My top 3 pick 12ah flexvolt, 1.7 power stack and 8ah power pack
*Why aren't these guys discussing the premature failure of FlexVolt batteries?!? Circa 10% of my FlexVolt 12aH batteries fail
Thanks for repp’n DeWALT jimmy!
If your near a Bomgaars get the 60v flex saw. I got the kit 7.25 saw for less than $250
What's the difference between the power stack batteries and thepower pack
not strictly true on the charge cycles Lithium polymer batteries(which is wot is in the powerstack batts) and 18650 batteries typically have similar charge cycles, lasting around 300-500 charge cycles before their capacity significantly decreases
When do they come out with 12v powerstack?
No the 5 AH XR is going to like $150 at Home Depot and the 5 AH Power Stack is going $199 before tax in somewheres around $210 to $220 after tax.
My 5ah power stack battery burned out on me a week ago only had it for 5 months 😭
Have it replaced under warranty? How’d you burn it out?
@@DesiveLara call Dewalt, they will replace it under warranty if your date code is within 3 years, if older than 3 years and you have a receipt showing that you purchased it within 3 years they will also replace it.
You don't even look like you work in construction, you have that Forever 21 Employee look
@@godzipgo2494 what the hell does that even mean guy that was a huge 180 from subject about dewalt batteries
@@lylewaters6161 ahhh thanks for the information bro I’ll look into it tomorrow 🤙🏼
Anybody find any good deals on the Powerstack recently?
Is the warranty longer on the new ones?
Compare the new powerpack 8.0 to the powerstack 5.0 to the 8.0 xr and the 10. Xr and the 9.0 flexvolt!
Great job jimmy.👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
Listen, maybe it's just me but batteries are OBSCENELY expensive for most name brands. And don't give me the quality and cost, they are marked and overmarked up just because they can.
Powerstack was a huge waste of time. 1.7ah and 5ah only. They were never clear on who it was intended for. In truth I love the 1.7ah for small jobs, and my impact. I did buy 4 of the 5ah Powerstack from HD only because they were clearing them out at $75 each.
Thanks for the info, but the title should be "You're"
I’ve had terrible luck with the power stack 5ah so far
@@JacobOverman how come? I’m ready to pull the trigger on x3 5AH’s and x5 1.7AH Power Stacks, TH-cam reviews seem positive but I’ve been reading mixed reviews from real world users. Cheers
Hopefully they make tablets 60 volt batteries
I absolutely hate dewalt’s battery line up. The most confusing lineup. All the other manufacturers made lineup simple, easy and more powerful. I love their tools. Their drills are my favourite.
@@rohitnarayan3966 DeWalt is simplifying the lineup because of this.
Just want to make sure I’m understanding this. A PowerStack will last 3x as an XR? Therefore spending $170-ish on a PowerStack is better than $300 for 3 XR’s.
Just making sure I understand that’s what you’re saying.
Hi Thomas, I believe that you are correct in your understanding of what he meant. Li-ion (conventional cylindrical cells used in XR packs) tend to have higher ACIR (resistance) than a comparable Li-Po (pouch cells used in the powerstak batteries). The real-life effect of this difference in resistance is that a conventional Li-ion battery pack will get hotter than a comparable Li-Po battery pack, when attempting to discharge at the same current and voltage. This heat is bad for the cells, and is one of the key causes of state of health degradation.
Hope that helps!
Naming something flex volt when it's not flex volt is mental.
That's because he's got it backwards.
From dewalts website
"20V MAX* tools featuring FLEXVOLT ADVANTAGETM technology recognize FLEXVOLT® batteries to deliver more power than with standard 20V MAX* batteries†..."
That battery on a recip saw just looked silly. Idk when that would be the ideal way to do things. There are tools for something that big and that's not it.
I have a 15 amp that is not even a year old that when it goes down one bar it locks out and most tools that require the power will not run them like it’s dead
Have it replaced under warranty…
If your buying dewalt your buying wrong, you don't gotta worry about a right and wrong battery with milwaukee, because they all work the same, they just have different battery life
Incorrect. I love my PowerStack battery on my impact and love my dewalt stuff. And my M12 vacuum and circ saw are horrendous with the CP2.0s but work great with the HO 5.0ah. Don’t be ignorant.
Bro I think that Dewalt is a very good tool and cordless is the new tool for are days more productive and more money
Just Looking Forward to a FLEX VOLT 10 AMP POWER PACK I just can IMAGINE what it could do for my 418 DCG ANGLE GRINDER
@@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY I think it's going to be a 12ah
I think only time will tell exactly how true these manufacturer claims are. Oh, and I use my 15ah as a monster battery bank to charge stuff, lol.
I am done with DeWalt batteries, mine are all failing and Milwaukee is the same. It's just too expensive to buy new ones😢
Nah just your dewalt batteries failed
I hear you. They only last so long, and they're big bucks to replace. All my milwaukee batteries are going tits up. I'm ready to go back to the cord for most everything except drills and impacts. Circular saws, sawzalls, routers, all last way longer corded.
Where’s the old guy that made videos
What ever keeps the weight down for me.
Title triggered ocd, "You're* buying and using DeWalt batteries wrong."
Huh? Were not using Dewalt batteries 🔋 wrong!
@VCGConstruction I wasn't saying yall are, it was probably your autocorrect/word prediction that messed it up. "You're* buying and using DeWalt batteries all wrong."
Oh thanks, your the best!
Lmao
Wrong form of your in the title. You + are = you're.
*You're
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You’re*
You’re what?
@@VCGConstruction literate
@@douglasbunch3313 huh, what’s that mean?
No one cares if you’re first
Did not ask
First 😂😂😂😂
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powerstack great & flexvolt only on flexvolt required tools.