@@FriendlyCroock it wasn't deemed kid friendly but was never made for kids in the first place. but critics actually liked it and it's always in the top 5 of critics reviews of best batman movies maybe your taste isn't that great 😉
@@jadebarbiegirlnz2194 Dude if you like it, more power to you. I'm not going to ruin your happiness Personally I find it bad but at least it's not offensive, it doesn't have any agenda behind, so if you like it whatever. As for the film not being kid friendly if you people even knew what was considered "kid friendly" back in the 80s and early 90s. I'm not only talking about films here, even cartoon shows on Fox Kids. The skimpy outfits is what I remember the most.
@@FriendlyCroock you know which Batman movie sucks and it’s very popular? The Dark Knight, the worst Tom Waits impression, I mean “The Joker” you know how I got these scars - Tom Waits mannerism and voice”. And the only reason the majority of people consider The Dark Knight a masterpiece is because of Ledgers poor Joker performance, which they consider life changing performance and worthy of a Oscar award. I rather watch paint dry than rewatch the dark Knight again, the only Good movies in the trilogy is Batman Begins which that is an actual masterpiece and for popcorn fun The Dark Knight Rises. But more power to those who love The Dark Knight, they are easily impressed and amused.
Selina Kyle actually DID die from the fall. The cats that surrounded her, and took bites out of her, were actually "gifting" her one of their 9 lives. 17:10 - Pretty much. Because it's Tim Burton, the "mystical nature of cats" came into play. So yeah, aside from gifting her extra lives, she was also gifted similar agility what cats have. Anyone who has a cat in their life knows that cats are natural predators, and have extraordinary jumping, leaping, and hunting abilities, as well as a "coldness" about them. Cats are survivors, and rarely show any sort of physical discomfort. One thing I can tell you (as someone who lives with 8 cats), is that cats are NOT "pets". Yes, they are classified as that by our silly society... but the truth is that "dogs have owners, cats have staff." Catwoman is just an extension of that theology, as filtered through Tim Burton's bizarre mindset.
No, she didn’t die. She has amnesia. It’s all in her head. The screenwriter explained this. You see the blood still running down the side of her head, behind her ear as she destroys her apartment. She doesn’t have superpowers, just a really bad concussion.
@@HipsterBlood That makes even less sense. How would a concussion make you a gymnast? And she didn’t have amnesia, she remembered who Max was and what her job was.
Fun fact: in an early version of the script, Max Shreck would have actually been Oswald's brother. He would have been disgusted by his parents actions against his baby brother, so he had himself legally emancipated as soon as he could and had his name legally changed to avoid association.
Technically, the next 2 Batman films take place within the same universe at the Tim Burton ones, but they are different in pretty much every way. This is by far the best version of Catwoman on screen, and she was the most talked about character in the film. There were plans for Michelle Pfeiffer to reprise the role in a standalone Catwoman movie, which kept getting put off until it become a totally different movie starring Halle Barry instead. It was TERRIBLE and a HUGE disappointment to those of us who had been waiting impatiently for the return of Selena Kyle.
Yep and Lando Calrissian became Woodrow Call lol. With a burnt face. Woodrow Call was Tommy Lee Jones Character in Lonesome Dove for you non western folks. :)
Fun fact: originally Harvey Dent was supposed to be in Max Shreck’s position and half of his face was going to be burned in the end after being electrocuted which would’ve set him up as two face for the third movie. That idea was scrapped but he was still going to be the villain in the third movie until Burton and Keaton left the project and they did a soft reboot. Batman forever is meant to be in the same universe but there’s just too many differences in terms of actors, tone, settings, that most people accept it as a a separate universe
There are several factors that make it obvious that Burton and Schumacher's Batman movies are in the same universe: -Alfred and Commissioner Gordon are played by the same actors in all 4 movies. -In addition to Two-Face (being played by Billy Dee Williams}, Tim Burton had already planned on adding the Riddler into his 3rd Batman movie with Robin Williams playing that role. -Tim had also already casted Marlon Waynes as Robin but his scenes were cut out of Batman Returns. -There's a photo of Arnold Schwarzenegger on Max Schrek's photo wall which foreshadowed his appearance as Mr. Freeze in Batman and Robin. -Batman Forever acknowledged that Joker killed Bruce's parents based on the Waynes's killer having the same silhouette as Joker and when Dick tells Bruce that his parents weren't killed by a maniac, Bruce corrects him by saying, "Yes, they were." -Bruce's "revenge has become your whole life" speech was the movie's way of acknowledging how he killed Joker and Penguin while leaving Catwoman to die in a explosion. -Speaking of Catwoman, she was referenced in both Schumacher films ("Do I need skin tight vinyl and whip?", "Why are all the gorgeous ones homicidal maniacs? Is it me?"). -When Batman said he has no luck with women, he was referencing both Vicki Vale and Catwoman. Finally..... -In Batman and Robin, when Alfred said, "Do try and bring this batmobile back in one piece, sir", he's referring to the destruction of the other batmobiles in Batman Returns and Batman Forever.
@@loudboy317 I agree that there are indeed a lot of factors that try to connect the movies with lots of references as well as casting choices like Alfred and Gordon. Although the casting can be excused since we’ve seen JK Simmons play J Jonah Jameson for 2 different spidermen now, and the other quotes and references could work just fine if the Burton movies never existed. To list a few, we know Bruce has never been able to settle down with a woman so that can be seen in a few different ways, him saying his family was killed by a maniac could imply how he just sees all killers and criminals as maniacs although I will say the flashback to his parents death is very similar to the 89 flashback. The truth is that there’s a lot of things that can show how they’re connected but also a lot that show they aren’t such as Wayne manor being located in a completely different place without any explanation, the overall vibe of Gotham and giving it a more neon setting rather than the gothic one Burton gave, and how Billy Dee Williams was already Harvey Dent in that universe and it would only make sense to bring him back if they wanted to keep things more consistent. Like I said, it can really go either way and I just think most people choose to keep them separate.
@@xoler2167 Thanks to the multiverse, you now have 3 different actors appear as Spider-Man in the same movie. That film even acknowledged what happened to the villains that were in both the original and the Amazing Spider-Man films. As for your list, Tim Burton had 2 different Wayne manors in his Batman films so that part wouldn't really count. You could say that Harvey Dent's sudden skin color change between the 1989 film and Batman Forever was due to vitiligo because in real life, Michael Jackson had the very same problem. Finally, even Tim's version of Gotham City had giant statues all over the place so there's not much difference between both versions of Gotham other than the neon coloring.
@@loudboy317 fair fair. You’re right about the Wayne mansion one, and the Two face idea could work it’s just that they should’ve addressed something like that for it to make sense. And it really wasn’t something like the statues all over Gotham that was different cuz that was the same, if Gotham had maybe just one small section of neon themes, it would work well but it’s the overall city that gives a more futuristic neon vibe while all of Burton’s felt gothic. Like said before, there’s enough evidence for the universe connections to go either way and it is clear they were trying to connect them in the first place. I just think overtime people forgot about that and saw enough differences to separate them. I even think WB doesn’t consider them connected now
Personally i find Jim Carrey's Riddler annoying in that. I much prefer Frank Gorshin. Still who knows i might have a new favourite Riddler later this year i guess we will see lol.
"I was their number one son and they treated me like number two" I didn't get that line when I was a kid. At least I assume it was him saying they treated him like crap.
Fun Fact: Max Shrek is the name of the actor who played Nosferatu in the 1920’s silent film of the same name (which is the oldest existing Dracula movie)!
Michelle actually did put that bird in her mouth she really took her role as cat woman to the next level you could imagine how the staff reacted to it behind the scenes lol
Just imagine, she probably scared the crap out of that bird, literally. And she had to say "mmmm" and rub her belly. That's what I call dedication to your job.
It's funny you mentioned the Penguin having "another relative" or "another brother" because in the original script Max Schreck is actually his brother. P.S. It is also implied in the script that Selina has many Karate and Gymnastics trophies in her apartment, explaining her skill set.
At the end of the last movie, batman effectively fulfilled his revenge, the man who killed his parents was dead. But how do we find him in this movie? Alone, in the dark, with nothing to do but wait for the Bat-signal. And he's much more violent, gleefully sending people on fire and blowing them up. But his escalation of violence almost costs him his life, and possibly costs Selina's. It's dark, but it's in essence a story about what happens after you get revenge, and how you define yourself
And then Batman Forever completes the character arc as Bruce has to mentor another young man who is starting on the self-destructive path he took long ago. In doing so, Batman finally faces the guilt that he has been harboring this entire time and comes out on the other side as a hero by choice rather than by obligation. Oh, and there's also Batman and Robin. I guess it's about Bruce finding a sense of fulfilment in the surrogate family that has formed around him. Not that the film sticks to this idea long enough to sell it.
@@MAMoreno There's a bit of a plot about coming to terms with accepting that his remaining parental figure is mortal, but again, it's not explored particularly deeply
I doubt that any of that was intended by Burton. He admitted that he was more interested in the villains' stories. Hence, there was never an explanation for why Wayne chose to dress up as a bat until Schumacher took over.
For me Batman Returns was my favorite Tim Burton Batman movie. I love the first one, but this movie was 100% Tim Burton's vision and Danny Elfman music is so haunting, gothic and great.
It's kind of funny when you asked why nobody was questioning the Penguins qualifications to be Mayor. That is actually the most believable thing in this movie. I have often wondered the exact same thing with many people who has leadership roles in politics.
You don't need professional qualifications to run for public office, and at least Penguin has a brain which is more than can be said for certain individuals who have run for, and even won, the US Presidency.
This was Tim Burton unofficial Holiday Trilogy. The first one was Edward Scissorhands, the second one was Batman Returns and the third one was The Nightmare Before Christmas.
Max Shreck's name was inspired by the actor who played 'Nosferatu' in the 1922 Horror classic, although his name was spelt 'Schreck,' which means 'fright' in German.
The first movie has “Ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?” This movie has “Mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it. But, a kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it.”
Now that you been introduced to Christopher Walken(who played Max) You have to do King Of New York. Fun Fact: In the early stages of Batman Returns (1992) they were going to have Robin the script and Marlon Wayans was cast as Robin. But Tim Burton came in and felt their was no reason for Robin to be in the movie (because Tim wouldn't do Batman Returns unless he got free reign of control of the movie), then when Tim Burton was about to make a 3rd Batman movie (called Batman Continues then later changed to Batman Forever) Wayans was cast again as Robin and actually got in costume. But after the some-what negative reaction (from parents) of Batman Returns Tim left the project and Joel Schumacher later took over and apparently Wayans was paid a lot of money to not be in the movie after reading the new script. Though he never got to be Robin, their is concept art of what the costume could've been.
Really? I never knew that. Very interesting. To be honest I don't think he was right for the role anyways. At the time I think maybe someone who was an unknown at the time would of been a better fit. I actually do like Batman Forever (despite the objectively horrible movie it is) but Robin should be a young kid...around 10-14.....not a old teenager/young man lol
Been decades I've read it so it might be not 100% accurate but as far as I remember, Catwoman did die when she was pushed by Max and was brought back to life by the spirits of the cats or a spirit that governed the cats or something similar, which also gave her powers and 9 lives. Also penguin would supposedly find himself in the registry if he knows his age by looking at what infant had flippers instead of regular feet in those prints at 15:05.
Penguin's father was Paul Reubens in this (Pee-Wee Herman).. who was dressed very similar to how the character Penguin looked in the 1960s Batman show.
Batman Returns...Tim Burton blank check to do anything he wants ! And it's kinda pretty good in it's own crazy way ! Vilains are crazy entertaining, the design are still insane gothic à la Burton and the soundtrack from Elfman fits perfectly. Only weakness i see is how little people are in the crowd of Gotham which is suppose to be one of the biggest city of the DC universe and it's super distracting. Also Batman killed a few people so some are angry about it...i don't care much but to some it's a sacred cow so...
Regarding the bit about the multiple microphones during a speech or press conference: that actually is very real (though for a movie that came out in 1992, the microphones visible have a very 1930s-1950s look, probably for aesthetics). Essentially, each microphone is grabbing the audio for a different news service or channel or station, since, especially back in the day, most of the equipment was analog, not digital, so there was no single repository for the recorded audio. If there’s only one mic, that means, most-likely, whoever organized the speech or press conference is feeding the audio out to the news themselves. But that’s relatively rare. Understandably, news agencies want to record their own audio, to avoid any potential chicanery. Not every source can be trusted, after all. You probably don’t see them as much anymore since mics have gotten a lot smaller and more-efficient. But look up a news conference from the early 2000s or earlier: you will see a veritable cornucopia of differently-colored mics in front of the speaker.
Batman and Batman Returns will always be my 2 favorites nobody can ever replace there performances as batman,Batman, joker,Joker, catwoman and the penguin.
I love this movie.... Tim is a genius . I did feel that the dialog could have been better and a few scenes but in all.... I really enjoy this movie a lot. Your reactions and commentary for "Batman Returns" gave this even more to like and reflect on . I can not imagine how difficult it was to wear that leather suit and move without chafing... lol . Thank you for this treat Tim . 😻meow
Originally Max Schrek character was written as Harvey Dent and the original ending was when Catwoman was burning half of his face and that's why become Harvey Two Face snd set up for Batman Forever.
Back in the early 90s, Six flags Astroworld in Houston had a coaster, Batman Escape, which was heavily themed after both Burton films. So much nostalgia.
I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but I have to let you know "irony" doesn't mean the way you thought. It's only ironic if the opposite expected reaction happens. The times you said it was "ironic" that those happened, they were actually "coincidences". And I see many people use irony when the situation isn't, but it's actually coincidental. An example of irony is a fire truck catching fire. A police car being robbed. When someone tries to avoid something from happening, but that only helped it happen, it's dramatic irony.
The actor and actress who play The Penguin’s parents in the first part of the movie are Paul Reubens and E.G. Daily. They had co-starred in the movie Pee Wee’s Big Adventure, also directed by Tim Burton.
That scene where Cat Woman whips the manikin heads off was something Michelle Pfieffer trained for, and on the day they had to film the scene she did it in ONE TAKE. Even years later Michelle made a video of her using THE SAME WHIP at her home on some items for fun to show she still got it.
I love this movie as well. It's my favorite Batman movie of all time. I love the Batsuit Keaton wears in this movie, it's my favorite of all the Batman movie suits. Love the villains and the music by Danny Elfman is really the best.
Fun Fact: The name Max Schreck comes from the actor of Count Orloff in the 1922 vampire movie Nosferatu. Appropriate considering the Batman Returns Max Schreck's business is sucking energy from Gotham City.
When the penguin said "But treated me like number 2" be means shit because it's known as number 2. Michael Keaton was the best Batman for me and one of the greatest actors in Hollywood because he's done a lot of different roles and genres. If someone does that then they're so good at what they do.
Michael Keaton is great. He's my favorite Batman as well. You should check him out in: Desperate Measures. Pacific Heights. He does a great job in those.
I don't know if it's her doing the stunts or not, but I love that this Catwoman does the backflips, and I enjoy her sarcasm towards the Penguin basically saying "you can look but don't touch"
Many of the penguins were real, requiring a refrigerated set, which in turn required them to build Gotham City indoors, which is why the city looks different than it did in the first one.
LOVE your reactions! Been a horrible time so it helps a lot seeing a favorite reactor. 😎 Yes there used to be more than one mic. Man, still catwoman crushing here. Was a lot of fun on the big screen. 🐾🐾
Haven't read thru all the comments, but the name "Max Schrek" is an homage to the actor who played the vampire in the silent film "Nosferatu," in case no one else has mentioned it.
I actually saw this first. I didn't see '89 until a few years later. This one is great.....a lot goofier than the 1st one but enjoyably so. Danny Devito is amazing as The Penguin
Been looking forward to watching this. Excellent reaction! 😊 I really like this one. Not as much as "Batman 1989". But I still really like it. Michelle Pfeiffer is my favorite Catwoman so far. And Danny DeVito is pretty good as the Penguin.
I forgot to also mention that before they decided to go the max schreck rout they thought of bringing Billy Dee William's back to be the character and when selina electrocutes him in the end he changes into 2 face
I think Michelle Pfeiffer was perfectly cast for Catwoman. Debatabley the best cast choice for a comic book character. People love Ironman but it's actually Robert Downey Jr. being his sarcastic self they love. Watch him in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and you'll know what I mean. Tim Burton put the Goth in Gotham. Truly the best Batman movies in terms of looking for comic book-esque and animation brought to life. Specifically for DC. Let's face it: The Dark Knight was about Heath Ledgers Joker and Aaron Eckhart's Two Face. Nolan's "Batman" looked like total crap with his costume along with having Patrick Bateman as Bruce Wayne. This is all my opinion though. 🤙
Pretty much after watching many movies, you know all the tropes. I remember watching this movie a lot when I was little because it's batman but my mom made me stop because it's creeping her, which to be fair some moments are very questionable.
In the scene where Shrek discovers Celina looking through his files the shadows on her face with her glasses on show the old fashion cat woman mask Fear is a tool that all of Gotham's villains used to get the lackeys and henchman in line, it even works now… Depending on which comics or cartoons you watch. Then again, Batman uses that fear to so I guess it all depends on who the criminals fear most: the super villains of Gotham… Or the Batman? Oooooh now that's a good riddle
IDC what people said back then. This is one of the greatest Batman movies ever
YES! I don't know you but we are brothers
I totally agree this is my favourite.
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This movie is so good. I hate when people don't put respect on its name
I love Batman Returns better than the original story because of Michelle Pfieffer’s Catwoman.
BATMAN RETURNS is one of the worst batman films of all time. It was also poorly received at its time.
@@FriendlyCroock it wasn't deemed kid friendly but was never made for kids in the first place. but critics actually liked it and it's always in the top 5 of critics reviews of best batman movies maybe your taste isn't that great 😉
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Dude if you like it, more power to you. I'm not going to ruin your happiness
Personally I find it bad but at least it's not offensive, it doesn't have any agenda behind, so if you like it whatever.
As for the film not being kid friendly if you people even knew what was considered "kid friendly" back in the 80s and early 90s.
I'm not only talking about films here, even cartoon shows on Fox Kids.
The skimpy outfits is what I remember the most.
@@FriendlyCroock you know which Batman movie sucks and it’s very popular? The Dark Knight, the worst Tom Waits impression, I mean “The Joker” you know how I got these scars - Tom Waits mannerism and voice”. And the only reason the majority of people consider The Dark Knight a masterpiece is because of Ledgers poor Joker performance, which they consider life changing performance and worthy of a Oscar award. I rather watch paint dry than rewatch the dark Knight again, the only Good movies in the trilogy is Batman Begins which that is an actual masterpiece and for popcorn fun The Dark Knight Rises. But more power to those who love The Dark Knight, they are easily impressed and amused.
Selina Kyle actually DID die from the fall. The cats that surrounded her, and took bites out of her, were actually "gifting" her one of their 9 lives.
17:10 - Pretty much. Because it's Tim Burton, the "mystical nature of cats" came into play. So yeah, aside from gifting her extra lives, she was also gifted similar agility what cats have. Anyone who has a cat in their life knows that cats are natural predators, and have extraordinary jumping, leaping, and hunting abilities, as well as a "coldness" about them. Cats are survivors, and rarely show any sort of physical discomfort.
One thing I can tell you (as someone who lives with 8 cats), is that cats are NOT "pets". Yes, they are classified as that by our silly society... but the truth is that "dogs have owners, cats have staff."
Catwoman is just an extension of that theology, as filtered through Tim Burton's bizarre mindset.
cats are wild animals. Little tigers. They are.
No, she didn’t die. She has amnesia. It’s all in her head. The screenwriter explained this. You see the blood still running down the side of her head, behind her ear as she destroys her apartment. She doesn’t have superpowers, just a really bad concussion.
Michael Keaton got his revenge by playing Ray Kroc in "The Founder" the movie about McDonald's. Kroc was a crook. Haha.
Dogs don't have owners; they have family. And yes, cats have staff.
@@HipsterBlood That makes even less sense. How would a concussion make you a gymnast? And she didn’t have amnesia, she remembered who Max was and what her job was.
Tim Burton's fascination with mashing together Halloween and Christmas continues in Batman Returns.
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Fun fact: in an early version of the script, Max Shreck would have actually been Oswald's brother. He would have been disgusted by his parents actions against his baby brother, so he had himself legally emancipated as soon as he could and had his name legally changed to avoid association.
One of my favorite line in all the movie..."I believe the word you were looking for is...AAAAAHHHHHHHHH". Hilarious !
Technically, the next 2 Batman films take place within the same universe at the Tim Burton ones, but they are different in pretty much every way.
This is by far the best version of Catwoman on screen, and she was the most talked about character in the film. There were plans for Michelle Pfeiffer to reprise the role in a standalone Catwoman movie, which kept getting put off until it become a totally different movie starring Halle Barry instead. It was TERRIBLE and a HUGE disappointment to those of us who had been waiting impatiently for the return of Selena Kyle.
The story of the development hell that film went through for over ten years is just insane.
Yep and Lando Calrissian became Woodrow Call lol. With a burnt face.
Woodrow Call was Tommy Lee Jones Character in Lonesome Dove for you non western folks. :)
When Danny Elfman writes the score, you know it's going to be epic
Fun fact: originally Harvey Dent was supposed to be in Max Shreck’s position and half of his face was going to be burned in the end after being electrocuted which would’ve set him up as two face for the third movie. That idea was scrapped but he was still going to be the villain in the third movie until Burton and Keaton left the project and they did a soft reboot. Batman forever is meant to be in the same universe but there’s just too many differences in terms of actors, tone, settings, that most people accept it as a a separate universe
There are several factors that make it obvious that Burton and Schumacher's Batman movies are in the same universe:
-Alfred and Commissioner Gordon are played by the same actors in all 4 movies.
-In addition to Two-Face (being played by Billy Dee Williams}, Tim Burton had already planned on adding the Riddler into his 3rd Batman movie with Robin Williams playing that role.
-Tim had also already casted Marlon Waynes as Robin but his scenes were cut out of Batman Returns.
-There's a photo of Arnold Schwarzenegger on Max Schrek's photo wall which foreshadowed his appearance as Mr. Freeze in Batman and Robin.
-Batman Forever acknowledged that Joker killed Bruce's parents based on the Waynes's killer having the same silhouette as Joker and when Dick tells Bruce that his parents weren't killed by a maniac, Bruce corrects him by saying, "Yes, they were."
-Bruce's "revenge has become your whole life" speech was the movie's way of acknowledging how he killed Joker and Penguin while leaving Catwoman to die in a explosion.
-Speaking of Catwoman, she was referenced in both Schumacher films ("Do I need skin tight vinyl and whip?", "Why are all the gorgeous ones homicidal maniacs? Is it me?").
-When Batman said he has no luck with women, he was referencing both Vicki Vale and Catwoman.
Finally.....
-In Batman and Robin, when Alfred said, "Do try and bring this batmobile back in one piece, sir", he's referring to the destruction of the other batmobiles in Batman Returns and Batman Forever.
@@loudboy317 I agree that there are indeed a lot of factors that try to connect the movies with lots of references as well as casting choices like Alfred and Gordon. Although the casting can be excused since we’ve seen JK Simmons play J Jonah Jameson for 2 different spidermen now, and the other quotes and references could work just fine if the Burton movies never existed. To list a few, we know Bruce has never been able to settle down with a woman so that can be seen in a few different ways, him saying his family was killed by a maniac could imply how he just sees all killers and criminals as maniacs although I will say the flashback to his parents death is very similar to the 89 flashback. The truth is that there’s a lot of things that can show how they’re connected but also a lot that show they aren’t such as Wayne manor being located in a completely different place without any explanation, the overall vibe of Gotham and giving it a more neon setting rather than the gothic one Burton gave, and how Billy Dee Williams was already Harvey Dent in that universe and it would only make sense to bring him back if they wanted to keep things more consistent. Like I said, it can really go either way and I just think most people choose to keep them separate.
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Thanks to the multiverse, you now have 3 different actors appear as Spider-Man in the same movie. That film even acknowledged what happened to the villains that were in both the original and the Amazing Spider-Man films. As for your list, Tim Burton had 2 different Wayne manors in his Batman films so that part wouldn't really count. You could say that Harvey Dent's sudden skin color change between the 1989 film and Batman Forever was due to vitiligo because in real life, Michael Jackson had the very same problem. Finally, even Tim's version of Gotham City had giant statues all over the place so there's not much difference between both versions of Gotham other than the neon coloring.
@@loudboy317 fair fair. You’re right about the Wayne mansion one, and the Two face idea could work it’s just that they should’ve addressed something like that for it to make sense. And it really wasn’t something like the statues all over Gotham that was different cuz that was the same, if Gotham had maybe just one small section of neon themes, it would work well but it’s the overall city that gives a more futuristic neon vibe while all of Burton’s felt gothic. Like said before, there’s enough evidence for the universe connections to go either way and it is clear they were trying to connect them in the first place. I just think overtime people forgot about that and saw enough differences to separate them. I even think WB doesn’t consider them connected now
Personally i find Jim Carrey's Riddler annoying in that. I much prefer Frank Gorshin. Still who knows i might have a new favourite Riddler later this year i guess we will see lol.
"I was their number one son and they treated me like number two" I didn't get that line when I was a kid. At least I assume it was him saying they treated him like crap.
Max is absolutely spooked out when Selina comes back to the office. He assumed she was dead.
Fun Fact: Max Shrek is the name of the actor who played Nosferatu in the 1920’s silent film of the same name (which is the oldest existing Dracula movie)!
When Penguin unleashes his Penguin army, I thought they were the most adorable army. They were just woddiling out. Aww!!
Michelle actually did put that bird in her mouth she really took her role as cat woman to the next level you could imagine how the staff reacted to it behind the scenes lol
She also trained her martial arts moves and the whip lashes.
Just imagine, she probably scared the crap out of that bird, literally. And she had to say "mmmm" and rub her belly. That's what I call dedication to your job.
It's funny you mentioned the Penguin having "another relative" or "another brother" because in the original script Max Schreck is actually his brother.
P.S. It is also implied in the script that Selina has many Karate and Gymnastics trophies in her apartment, explaining her skill set.
That’s dark when Selena Kyle went crazy and psycho in her apartment
Michelle actually put the bird into her mouth, and it actually flew out of her mouth.
You could call this one Batman: The Nightmare Before Christmas.
At the end of the last movie, batman effectively fulfilled his revenge, the man who killed his parents was dead.
But how do we find him in this movie?
Alone, in the dark, with nothing to do but wait for the Bat-signal.
And he's much more violent, gleefully sending people on fire and blowing them up. But his escalation of violence almost costs him his life, and possibly costs Selina's.
It's dark, but it's in essence a story about what happens after you get revenge, and how you define yourself
And then Batman Forever completes the character arc as Bruce has to mentor another young man who is starting on the self-destructive path he took long ago. In doing so, Batman finally faces the guilt that he has been harboring this entire time and comes out on the other side as a hero by choice rather than by obligation.
Oh, and there's also Batman and Robin. I guess it's about Bruce finding a sense of fulfilment in the surrogate family that has formed around him. Not that the film sticks to this idea long enough to sell it.
@@MAMoreno There's a bit of a plot about coming to terms with accepting that his remaining parental figure is mortal, but again, it's not explored particularly deeply
I doubt that any of that was intended by Burton. He admitted that he was more interested in the villains' stories. Hence, there was never an explanation for why Wayne chose to dress up as a bat until Schumacher took over.
Love Michelle Pfeiffer's performance in this, that voice is so great
For me Batman Returns was my favorite Tim Burton Batman movie. I love the first one, but this movie was 100% Tim Burton's vision and Danny Elfman music is so haunting, gothic and great.
This is my favorite of the original run of Batman films pre-Nolan. DeVito and Michelle Pfeiffer are awesome in this.
Please watch Tim Burton's "Sleepy Hollow" (1999)! It's with Johnny Depp!
That movie was my childhood horror favorite.
Absolutely! _Sleepy Hollow_ is one of Burton's best.
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That is a fantastic film I love Jonny deep
The movie that launched the best Batman series ever. The waves this movie made reached far beyond its original scope.
It's kind of funny when you asked why nobody was questioning the Penguins qualifications to be Mayor. That is actually the most believable thing in this movie. I have often wondered the exact same thing with many people who has leadership roles in politics.
You don't need professional qualifications to run for public office, and at least Penguin has a brain which is more than can be said for certain individuals who have run for, and even won, the US Presidency.
I love that when the batsignal comes on Bruce is just brooding in his mansion waiting for it lol
This was Tim Burton unofficial Holiday Trilogy. The first one was Edward Scissorhands, the second one was Batman Returns and the third one was The Nightmare Before Christmas.
In this movie, Batsy, invented the world's first Drone.😆
31:05 That's the thing - he IS wearing a costume. Bruce Wayne is the mask, Batman is his true self.
Her cat powers shouldve been just her randomly run out a room.
Max Shreck's name was inspired by the actor who played 'Nosferatu' in the 1922 Horror classic, although his name was spelt 'Schreck,' which means 'fright' in German.
Thanks lol I was hoping someone would point that out. 😃
@@edwardbloecher4563 You're welcome 😉
It’s perfect that Tim expected Catwoman to have a dog lol 😂
The first movie has “Ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?” This movie has “Mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it. But, a kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it.”
I suggest Tim Burton's MARS ATTACKS!
Now that you been introduced to Christopher Walken(who played Max)
You have to do King Of New York.
Fun Fact:
In the early stages of Batman Returns (1992) they were going to have Robin the script and Marlon Wayans was cast as Robin. But Tim Burton came in and felt their was no reason for Robin to be in the movie (because Tim wouldn't do Batman Returns unless he got free reign of control of the movie), then when Tim Burton was about to make a 3rd Batman movie (called Batman Continues then later changed to Batman Forever) Wayans was cast again as Robin and actually got in costume. But after the some-what negative reaction (from parents) of Batman Returns Tim left the project and Joel Schumacher later took over and apparently Wayans was paid a lot of money to not be in the movie after reading the new script. Though he never got to be Robin, their is concept art of what the costume could've been.
Really? I never knew that. Very interesting. To be honest I don't think he was right for the role anyways. At the time I think maybe someone who was an unknown at the time would of been a better fit. I actually do like Batman Forever (despite the objectively horrible movie it is) but Robin should be a young kid...around 10-14.....not a old teenager/young man lol
This young man is so handsome. That hair is gorgeous. Youth is wonderful.
19:58 fun fact: Michelle Pfeiffer actually did that
Honestly, the penguin creeped me out when I saw it as a kid :D
With such a more gothic vibe, I don't even know if that scene with Catwoman should feel exciting or tense.
Why not both?
Been decades I've read it so it might be not 100% accurate but as far as I remember, Catwoman did die when she was pushed by Max and was brought back to life by the spirits of the cats or a spirit that governed the cats or something similar, which also gave her powers and 9 lives.
Also penguin would supposedly find himself in the registry if he knows his age by looking at what infant had flippers instead of regular feet in those prints at 15:05.
"I'd like to fill her void" haha great line, I forgot about that one.
Ah nice. This is one of my favorite christmas movies. And Michelle Pfeiffer's goofy costume is the most endearing of all Catwomen's in my opinion.
Penguin's father was Paul Reubens in this (Pee-Wee Herman).. who was dressed very similar to how the character Penguin looked in the 1960s Batman show.
Michelle Pfeiffer will always be my favorite catwoman of all time.
This soundtrack is my childhood💛 I can listen to it all day😍 nice reaction
The true villian of the movie was Max Schreck.
Batman Returns...Tim Burton blank check to do anything he wants ! And it's kinda pretty good in it's own crazy way ! Vilains are crazy entertaining, the design are still insane gothic à la Burton and the soundtrack from Elfman fits perfectly. Only weakness i see is how little people are in the crowd of Gotham which is suppose to be one of the biggest city of the DC universe and it's super distracting. Also Batman killed a few people so some are angry about it...i don't care much but to some it's a sacred cow so...
If nothing else, him killing people is in line with the previous film.
Regarding the bit about the multiple microphones during a speech or press conference: that actually is very real (though for a movie that came out in 1992, the microphones visible have a very 1930s-1950s look, probably for aesthetics). Essentially, each microphone is grabbing the audio for a different news service or channel or station, since, especially back in the day, most of the equipment was analog, not digital, so there was no single repository for the recorded audio. If there’s only one mic, that means, most-likely, whoever organized the speech or press conference is feeding the audio out to the news themselves. But that’s relatively rare. Understandably, news agencies want to record their own audio, to avoid any potential chicanery. Not every source can be trusted, after all. You probably don’t see them as much anymore since mics have gotten a lot smaller and more-efficient. But look up a news conference from the early 2000s or earlier: you will see a veritable cornucopia of differently-colored mics in front of the speaker.
The first appearance of Frank reynolds
This movie is one of my favorite Christmas action movies
In an alternate reality Bruce and Selina got married and had a daughter, Helena Wayne.
Good reaction . This is my favourite Batman movie of all. I love it far more than any of the Nolan films.
Penguin’s hands look like his hands from a 90s animated series.
Yep, the deformed hands he has in many other portrayals were inspired by this movie.
Batman and Batman Returns will always be my 2 favorites nobody can ever replace there performances as batman,Batman, joker,Joker, catwoman and the penguin.
I was so bummed when they didnt make a third one with Michael Keaton and Michelle Pfeiffer.
I love this movie.... Tim is a genius . I did feel that the dialog could have been better and a few scenes but in all.... I really enjoy this movie a lot. Your reactions and commentary for "Batman Returns" gave this even more to like and reflect on . I can not imagine how difficult it was to wear that leather suit and move without chafing... lol . Thank you for this treat Tim . 😻meow
Originally Max Schrek character was written as Harvey Dent and the original ending was when Catwoman was burning half of his face and that's why become Harvey Two Face snd set up for Batman Forever.
12:49 Especially eerie since apparently cats don't normally swarm like that.
Back in the early 90s, Six flags Astroworld in Houston had a coaster, Batman Escape, which was heavily themed after both Burton films. So much nostalgia.
I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but I have to let you know "irony" doesn't mean the way you thought.
It's only ironic if the opposite expected reaction happens.
The times you said it was "ironic" that those happened, they were actually "coincidences".
And I see many people use irony when the situation isn't, but it's actually coincidental.
An example of irony is a fire truck catching fire. A police car being robbed. When someone tries to avoid something from happening, but that only helped it happen, it's dramatic irony.
The actor and actress who play The Penguin’s parents in the first part of the movie are Paul Reubens and E.G. Daily. They had co-starred in the movie Pee Wee’s Big Adventure, also directed by Tim Burton.
The actor playing Penguins dad was Paul Reubens, aka Pee Wee Herman, check out Pee Wee’s Big Adventure, Tim Burton’s feature debut.👍
That scene where Cat Woman whips the manikin heads off was something Michelle Pfieffer trained for, and on the day they had to film the scene she did it in ONE TAKE. Even years later Michelle made a video of her using THE SAME WHIP at her home on some items for fun to show she still got it.
This is my favorite bat man movie of the rest and i just sub goodluck with the future video's
I love this movie! I can't wait to watch your reaction!
I love this movie as well. It's my favorite Batman movie of all time. I love the Batsuit Keaton wears in this movie, it's my favorite of all the Batman movie suits. Love the villains and the music by Danny Elfman is really the best.
Fun Fact: The name Max Schreck comes from the actor of Count Orloff in the 1922 vampire movie Nosferatu. Appropriate considering the Batman Returns Max Schreck's business is sucking energy from Gotham City.
The thin clown, literally how he is credited, is amazing character actor Doug Jones! 💗💗💗
When the penguin said "But treated me like number 2" be means shit because it's known as number 2. Michael Keaton was the best Batman for me and one of the greatest actors in Hollywood because he's done a lot of different roles and genres. If someone does that then they're so good at what they do.
I can't wait for Keaton to come back in "The Flash" and "Batgirl" this year!
Michael Keaton is great. He's my favorite Batman as well.
You should check him out in:
Desperate Measures.
Pacific Heights.
He does a great job in those.
@@myTERAexperience I have Pacific heights on DVD, it's one of my favourite thrillers :) Yeah he's amazing in that and I love the story
15:18 Well, Batman is a detective. He stops the bad guys initially by investigating them.
Michelle Pfeiffer is without a doubt the best Catwoman. Yes... that is the hill I choose to die on.
bad in the good sense 😏
I don't know if it's her doing the stunts or not, but I love that this Catwoman does the backflips, and I enjoy her sarcasm towards the Penguin basically saying "you can look but don't touch"
Many of the penguins were real, requiring a refrigerated set, which in turn required them to build Gotham City indoors, which is why the city looks different than it did in the first one.
LOVE your reactions! Been a horrible time so it helps a lot seeing a favorite reactor. 😎 Yes there used to be more than one mic. Man, still catwoman crushing here. Was a lot of fun on the big screen. 🐾🐾
Haven't read thru all the comments, but the name "Max Schrek" is an homage to the actor who played the vampire in the silent film "Nosferatu," in case no one else has mentioned it.
I actually saw this first. I didn't see '89 until a few years later. This one is great.....a lot goofier than the 1st one but enjoyably so. Danny Devito is amazing as The Penguin
I think his circus crew made his gadgets like that flying umbrella
Been looking forward to watching this. Excellent reaction! 😊
I really like this one. Not as much as "Batman 1989". But I still really like it.
Michelle Pfeiffer is my favorite Catwoman so far. And Danny DeVito is pretty good as the Penguin.
Me too.
One of my fav movies ever!
"Oh my God" = take a shot.
Death by alcohol poisoning in approx 5mins.... Hahaha
I love your intro Tim, It's so unique and cute.😍😍💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
Hello Timmy wonderful to see you agine😀😀😀😀
You're fabulous! Your youthful enjoyment is refreshing and it's fun to watch you as you "get" why this stuff was so great!
My top 3 favorite Christmas movies. Home Alone, Home Alone 2 and yes, Batman Returns. 😎
Thanks, Timothée! 🦇
12:56 No, some cats are just biters. One of ours is though we think he thinks they're love bites and doesn't know how sharp his teeth really are.
Fun fact: that's a Catwoman doll in the end, not Michelle. That scene was shot like less than a week to release as a last minute idea.
17:00 It's never explained, and I think it's best that way, something happened to her when she "died and came back".
20:15
One of the best uses of the Wilhelm Scream!
😎
I forgot to also mention that before they decided to go the max schreck rout they thought of bringing Billy Dee William's back to be the character and when selina electrocutes him in the end he changes into 2 face
you should check out “Catwoman” (Halle Berry) would love to know your thoughts!
You did '66 Batman!? BLESS your soul! I cant wait to see it!
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Fun Fact: Michelle Pfeiffer actually did put that bird in her mouth for this scene!
😅
You should watch the series, Gotham. It has both Penguin and Selina, as well as young Bruce.
Yup.... Michelle Pfeiffer in leather as catwoman.... 9 year old me loved it back then and still do....😉😉😉🤣🤣🤣
This was my favorite Batman movie as a kid. And I had the biggest crush on Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman.
I think Michelle Pfeiffer was perfectly cast for Catwoman. Debatabley the best cast choice for a comic book character.
People love Ironman but it's actually Robert Downey Jr. being his sarcastic self they love. Watch him in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and you'll know what I mean.
Tim Burton put the Goth in Gotham. Truly the best Batman movies in terms of looking for comic book-esque and animation brought to life. Specifically for DC. Let's face it: The Dark Knight was about Heath Ledgers Joker and Aaron Eckhart's Two Face. Nolan's "Batman" looked like total crap with his costume along with having Patrick Bateman as Bruce Wayne. This is all my opinion though. 🤙
Pretty much after watching many movies, you know all the tropes.
I remember watching this movie a lot when I was little because it's batman but my mom made me stop because it's creeping her, which to be fair some moments are very questionable.
Gotta love the Bat-Stationary haha.
It is pretty dark when he sets the fire-breathing guy on fire.
This is actually my number 1 favourite Batman movie
Tim Burton and Danny Elfman are just amazing together
In the scene where Shrek discovers Celina looking through his files the shadows on her face with her glasses on show the old fashion cat woman mask
Fear is a tool that all of Gotham's villains used to get the lackeys and henchman in line, it even works now… Depending on which comics or cartoons you watch.
Then again, Batman uses that fear to so I guess it all depends on who the criminals fear most: the super villains of Gotham… Or the Batman? Oooooh now that's a good riddle