The Super Patriot Mark II Review: EVERYTHING You Need To Know
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- I'm diving deep into the Super Patriot Mark II, the Next-Gen Cub that redefines backcountry adventure flying. From its roots in the classic J-3 Cub to its innovative design featuring carbon fiber components and advanced avionics, I explore what makes this aircraft a marvel of modern engineering. I share insights from the creators, Don and Ron, who've spent decades perfecting their craft, and take you through the technical specs that set this plane apart, including its low wing loading and customizability. Whether you're a seasoned pilot or just love aviation, join me to discover everything you need to know about this exceptional adventure aircraft.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:27 - The Craftsmanship and Attention to Detail
4:36 - The Design Philosophy
7:43 - Landing Gear and Brakes
9:46 - Avionics and Saftey Features
15:01 - Engines and Propellers
17:43 - Cabin Comfort and Amenities
22:47 - How Does It Fly?
31:42 - The Community
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120-130mph! Hot damn, shes a ripper
Haha yeah. Meant to fly slow but handles a cross country just fine. Need to get you out here some time and check it out. Bring the Kitfox!
'Nother 15 mph and it will rival my Mooney.
Coming from Australia, it’s hard to tell when you guys swap between kts and mph.. I assumed this “120-130” was mph, but by the fact people are impressed in the comments.. is this actually kts?
@@heathbirley1774130 mph is fast for a cub.
@@lostgriz still doesn’t answer my question.. but I’m guessing ur suggesting it’s kts, coz I know SuperSTOLs getting along at 120kts
With a base price of $316K, I would argue that it is as remote from a J-3 Cub as it can get.
"The original price of the Piper J-3 Cub was $1,3OO in 1938." That's about $75k inflation adjusted.
thumbs down on 316k cubs
@@DeadRomanthe engine is about 100k alone that's ridiculous
The Ruckus is a STOL aircraft for 44k
The engine and avionics are over half of the cost of this plane alone. Aviation has become ridiculously expensive. Still couple hundred grand less than the price of a new husky. I would love to own one of these. If I ever won the lottery, there would be signs, there would definitely be one of these in my hangar.
Just found the channel, love it and love this plane. Those fold down doors reminded me of my time in the low-level phase of Army fixed wing school in the Bird Dog. Summer in Alabama practicing landing on hill sides of a cow pasture and the instructor in the rear seat insisted the doors remain down and he ended up with a lap full of cow crap. He wasn't amused at all and I almost got pink slipped for my uncontrolled laughter.
Just in case anyone is interested in pricing. $315k USD. Lovely plane. Way out of my reasonable range sadly.
Everything aviation is just unreasonable. How can a normal person making under 100k ever afford this. I should not be more than a luxury car. Especially considering it’s fabric.
@@excellenceinanimation960 Agreed. It's all insane. 1% only club. Never was that way!!!
@@Curious_Skeptic When you think about its its really insane! Im looking to get a c140, luscomebe or some nice taildragger. A 1950s plane usualy fabric cost more than a new car! Its stupid. It does not really go faster than a car and has 2 cramped seats and a primmitive electrical system but somehow a 50s or hell, a 40s plane goes for 45 grand +++++!
@@excellenceinanimation960 Well, I can justify the pricing for buying and owning a beautiful vintage craft! Not long ago, a Cessna 150 was VERY CHEAP and 172 was certainly doable for most anyone. J3s have gone up, but mostly due to sports pilot tickets. One of the few planes you can legally fly with a SP license. NO MEDICAL. What blows my mind is all the companies who make Light Sport craft that are 100-300k! They are obviously targeting the folks who have the money, but can't qualify for a full pilot license.
The other issue is, FAA is the one who drives the pricing up! The super complex task of getting certification for anything from a bolt and washer, to the full engine, costs mega money. The part isn't super special, but the certification for aircraft grade sure is! And yes, what fails the most? The engines! Always at the worse possible time too! LOL. A lot of good certification gets you!
I can go on and on. I made it to around 67 hours of flight training and had to walk away as the price of even lessons and plane rental became insane. Even a friend of mine giving me a break, it got to be silly. Now, at 250 an hour for plane and instructor, uhg! AND THAT price keeps going up! Even when fuel comes down, everyone else jacks up the prices still.
Airplanes are expensive unfortuanly. I hope to help companies that are making it more affordable for everyone. Right now engines, prop and avionics alone can run well over $100-150k before you even start building the airplane. Hopefully the new MOASIC rules will allow aircraft manufactures to innovate and developed cheaper aircraft that more people can afford.
The Patriot is designed as the premier backcountry airplane with all premium components. This comes with a price on par with the industry.
Awesome Video. Really thorough explanation of the plane, along with the incredible videography that has become the standard on this channel. Well done!
Awesome video Dozen! The Mark II looks great and super fun to fly!!
Sounds like a Carbon Cub with a bunch of gizmos at a premium price
My first time here and I’m excited for what could be my Next Tailwheel Aircraft that I would love to fly
I have flown both J-3 and J-6 Cubs. Great birds and this bird is the rich fast cousin. Beautiful video and presentation.
lotts of money for the average guy
I grew up flying in a 1946 luscombe and now at 18 I’m almost done with my ppl and working on a kitplane to fly to all the backcountry strips in NWA!
Well done Trevor! Awesome plane.
Excellent video, well done.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent stuff bro
Great video. It would be really interesting to see a video that compares the different types of "newerCubs", like this one (obviously), Carbon Cub, Legend Cub etc.
This is something we have been thinking about doing! You may see this in the future.
I soloed in a J-3 Cub and have flown the J-5 Cub. This must be the rich fast cousin. Great video and presentation.
I love the J-3 man. Fun airplane. Thanks for the comment.
for the mark2- I'd choose the AM20T- $26,500, 260hp constant, 300hp for 5 minutes (very fast takeoff), still 20Lbs. lighter flight ready. also the AM20T is turbo, so high altitude climb power still available, where a naturally aspirated engine goes weak.
You said a limited number available, so I guess I couldn't get TWO! Excellent job covering all the details and features of the aircraft. Thanks for sharing your time and expertise!
Thanks for the nice words. My point is that they are only going to make 10-12 a year. Doing it all by hand and custom for the buyer. Unlike other companies that stamp out 150-200 a year.
Did it bother anyone else that he didn't actually have tea in that mug? 😁
I'm building a bearhawk 5. This is a great video to get me inspired to get it finished. Thanks.
If I had a patriot I would do a west coast tour from Baja to Alaska!
Trevor, knocked it out of the park once again. You and Zak going to be at SNF? It'd be awesome to catch up with y'all!
Yes we are!
That’s one heck of a bird! I’ve got a 180 I’ll trade you. The low and slow of your plane would be a bit more fun for exploring up here in the north.
Nice job. What is the AoA shown? Brand, exp or certified? A key metric I look for is useful load after full fuel. This calcs out to 620 lbs.; very impressive.
Hi, How about Looping, Spinning and Rolling? What are the G limits?
What is the basic weight of the one equipped with the 390HP and constant speed prop? Useful load? Thanks
390HP? Hard to find that in any aircraft combustion engine outside Warbirds.
The weight for these vary between 1k and 1.1k Lbs depending on options.
Love to help with selling this amazing aircraft!
I would love to own a plane like that
How well will it soon?
Hello it looks like the numbers given for takeoff and landing at the stol competition have been exaggerated. I have 81ft takeoff and 132ft landing.
At LoneStar Stol (2 days after having the airplane) my shortest takeoff was 61 feet. Landing was more of a challenge in an airplane I hadn't STOL’d yet. 132 ft was the shortest legal a landing but I scratched by a few inches on an 80ish foot landing.
How do the price tags of $350,000 and $380,000 compare with other 'Cub Alikes'?
Take my money!
How many have been built?
Looks nice a really nice airplane!
In my opinion the Zlin Norden is the best STOL aircraft on the market for the money currently.
Electric retractable slats, double slotted flaps, frise ailerons, carbon drooped tips, all pushrod control and it’s downright sexy! With the 916 it’s extremely impressive and the safest STOL aircraft on the market with true slats.
Awesome. I researched them a bit. Would be great to fly it to see how it compares.
@@DozenDuzit Let me know and I’ll meet you at North Little Rock Airport!
Nice plane but I sure wish they had a standard instrument panel, it was a deal killer for me.
@@davida.4933 I can understand that. When you sit in the front seat though the panel really lends itself to peripheral visibility for off airport ops which was the reason for the design as well as vibration absorption.
I would install an AM150T engine by aeromomentum. the same 160hp- but since it's turbo charged- it holds most of that hp all the way to 25,000 feet- which means.. if you want to fly over the rockies or himilayas- you can. and? even flight ready- around 70 lbs. lighter than the io320.
My Aggie detector is going off. Which way does Hwy 6 go?
Very cool plane.
Is it possible to trailer it. Ie Behind an world adventure truck
It is indeed! Wings can come off pretty easily and it can be trailered anywhere.
Taylor Invented the Cubs before adding Piper, Then built the Best, The Taylorcraft! 100mph on 50hp!
Another trophy is coming your way.
Really want to know how you got the call sign “Dozen”
I wasn't asking why you drink tea, but now I'm interested what's the point of tea story while holding an empty cup?
True :-)
thats all well and good, but, what about the wing loading?
I thinkI will go with C170B
Nice improvements! However, pricing on these top end cubs is out of reach for perhaps 95% of potential buyers who remain dreamers not buyers! I wish one of these manufacturers would make a smaller one seater (albeit with enough storage for camp gear) that had even better STOL. There's got to be someone out there that realizes the potential market for such a plane. Engine would perhaps be the Rotax 912/914 etc series, very well respected engine and the most popular one these days in Sport Aviation. Imagine the performance in a single seater (Mark III?) stall/cruise....the issue I've seen when making single seaters is the tendency to make them cheaply like an ultralight. I'm talking about a really solid strong single seat adventurer STOL cub at an affordable price point.
Thanks for the comments. Well thought out. I agree with a lot of what you said. Unfortunately everything in aviation is just so expensive right now. Even a nice rotax engine can set you back 40k. The Patriot sits as an extremely high quality, custom made cub type aircraft (and price matches).
One day I hope a company can bridge the gap between great airplane design, cheap manufacturing of all the parts, solid marketing, and a supportive sales and customer support team. That just hasn’t happened in aviation yet that I have seen.
True about engine costs, but I think a cost analysis of a smaller single seat Patriot would show a considerable shift in affordability. Tires don't have to be as big/expensive, back seat costs/controls eliminated, smaller fuselage, wing, etc. etc.and the list goes on. Let's admit most adventure bush pilots are flying solo the majority of time. Such a plane could have incredible STOL performance and that would be a huge safety factory. Importantly, no one really has a plane in this segment of the expanding "adventure cub" market...
How much do they cost for the Patriot
Being Experimental is just fine with me, however, there are limitations of use, and you must build 51% your self, so, does it come in a big shipping box, local freight and are there video reference guides for constructing and repairing this thing???
Patriot currently does a builder assist program. The new MOSAIC rules will eventually allow for aircraft to be 100% made at the factory without assistance.
Would one of you full scale guys please hook up with Horizon Hobby so that us RC Pilots can get our hands on a model of the Super Patriot Mark II? Every RC Pilot needs several different "Cub" models in their hanger. Thanks.
That’s a good idea. Have them reach out to me on IG or shoot me an email.
I predict that rung out 320 will not last long with that extra power and weight shaving
Lycon has been doing this for decades and their engines last just as long and often longer than ones out of the factory.
Sure looks like a guy I was in Outlaw 8 with
OATS!
Kitfox is a modern Cub.
Respectfully that would be the Zlin Norden powered by the Rotax 916.
How much is the tea cup? We see more of that than the airplane
Has anyone tried putting floats on it yet?
Show the plane when you talk.
I really wish these builders and manufacturers would STOP using the name "Cub"! These planes may have been originally "Inspired" is some small part by "Cubs" or "Super Cubs", but that's the end of it. All of todays modern "Cub" derivatives have almost nothing to do with their name sakes.
The Original J-3 Cub first flew in 1937. It was a few more years before they started leaving the Piper factory with their most popular engine, the 65 hp. 171 cubic inch displacement Continental. Those planes had a maximum take off weight of only 1,220 pounds! And could "Cruise" at about 70-75 mph.
A far, far cry from the 115 hp, 1,750 pound birds sporting the name "Cub" of today! 😮
Not going to happen! That's bugged me for years also, but the whole Super Cub thing is too ingrained in aviation lingo.
Long sad road from a $9.00/hr J-3 in 1969-1972 (yes the price did not change through these years) to this. I'll also bet that 'Ol J-3 smelt betta and sounded betta too. Synthetic vision...all the data...glass ? Haven't laughed this hard and long in years. It ain't no J-3!
Why do I feel like I’ve. Been talked down to for 35 mins by a used car salesman?
He gave a professional overview of the plane showing features and benefits. Answered a lot of my questions. Should this be the only overview video from the company? No, but I give the presentation much higher marks than similar plane descriptive videos which all too often are 15 minutes of circuit flying or similar.
Well, you watched for 35 minutes for some reason. Hope you liked the video.
He gave a thorough, informative and comprehensive review with a natural speech that comes from years of experience flying all kinds of aircraft. Does he make money from this? Why not? I wish he does because there is little better than a mutually beneficial relation.
Can you contact me. I’d like to buy a plane. I think I want a velocity twin, need a builder and Pilot. I was hoping they would release the turbine engines but does not look like that will happen.
We have a champ, definitely not as cool as this tho!
Backing a trailer
Experimental just means you can't use the aircraft to make money / for commercial use and some other little nonsense bits. In other words just the FAA being The Vogons from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
Uuuffff so expensive 😢😢😢😢
It looks like something from 1923
1943
How would anyone viewing know that you are drinking Tea when you are holding an empty cup.......? Or that you usually drink coffee...?
Nope, wasn't wondering why or if you were drinking tea
What a ridiculous price.
Pretty unique.... there are no levels of unique... it is binary... it is unique or not... I know, I'm pedantic...
This is just a 34 minute advertisement .
Blasphemy. Those are backcountry aircraft. Coffee belongs in the backcountry. Tea belongs in a harbor back east. For Shame. I cant even take the rest of this video seriously now.
Be civil and respectful. Unless you are singling out French manufacturers, apparently. Hypocrisy much?
I actually said I love the French brakes from Beringer. I’ve also flown the Flacon 7X quite a bit. Dassault makes an awesome airplane. I don’t think I disparaged French manufactures. They make some impressive equipment. I may have poked a bit at the French in general. If you think that uncivilized and disrespectful, you might need a bit thicker skin.
Too expensive.
Not a fan. Build something affordable.