I’ve put 300 hours on this 4 place and it just keeps getting better. Currently having Kirk build us a second 4 place so me and my partner on 896AK can each have our own.
When I think of a Super Cub I'm thinking of something that's as close to a helicopter as you can get and still have wings on it. Good stuff thanks for posting
I am not a pilot, but I love bighorn sheep hunting (going on 40 years of hunts ) and my buddy has a Bush Caddy ultra light. We use horses I just wanted to say i found the video very interesting and Kirk Ellis experience and knowledge was something that you cannot learn in a school. If I win the lotto i will be getting a license and looking him up. Thanks from Canada
I support you and value your idea.keep the innovation and let it have dual controls, consider of providing a control column(yoke) according to clients requirements.Kenyan tail drager pilot.
Nice. Am curious how you figure out how much to lengthen the wings, and how does the engine size compare with a regular Super Cub? Good video. Good luck, guys. Stay safe - Covid still nasty.
Did I hear you correctly?????? At 11:25 in the video you said "you have 700 something pounds of useful load". WHAT?!!! This is a FOUR place. Four 200 pound men is 800lbs!!! No fuel, NO baggage, no nothing! What the heck! So this is still a TWO place aircraft! Two people at 400lbs then you can put in 50 gallons of fuel and you are about to be over weight if you put on headsets and bring a water bottle. What if your one friend who wants to go with you is 250lbs? Less fuel? In Alaska you need that fuel to get to the remote areas. Alaska is three times the size of Texas and there isn't as many airports with fuel as Texas. So this aircraft is basically a single person plane that can carry enough fuel to get you there and back and have still 100lbs of cargo. Better to buy a Murphy Moose! Cheaper too!
If you read some books on communication and empathy it's a technique that's used to affirm what the other person is saying, build trust and engage in two way communication. I understand it but if you ask wife I'm terrible at applying it...
An aft cg...within the limit...will give you a slower stall speed and a higher cruise speed. If you want to see better...and this is the truth...get a seat cushion. This will raise your head higher which will also force you to bring your seat forward...which gives you a better view on approach and landing. Give it a try.
Kirk !! Would have loved to work with you !! I had a set of plans for a "Chubby Cubby" once upon a time, but life veered and the project never happened. All the best !
I hate to say it....a super cub is just not. A plane for 4 place configured like that...that cock It and controls are boxed out....everything is forced and put as an afterthought...just like an 1980s humvee...nothings ergonomic. Nobody is comfortable goin cross country... get a Cessna if that’s your intent.... a S cub needs to hug your elbows and the controls just don’t fit centered in the air away from the convenience of the workings hidden in the outer frame... leave them at 900 pounds in,t opinion..but I definetly appreciatie the workmanship and craft that this guy did...a true fabricator.
It's certified IF you buy the STC from whoever holds it, and (I believe) already own at least the data plate for a PA-18. Experimental Amateur Built when you just build your own from parts.
Hm, I wonder here... There's a guy Clint Busenitz in South Dakota (the Vetterman Exhaust) that builds Cubs with Cessna 152 or 172 wings. With the 172 wing in weighs 1080 lb, max gross wieght is about 2200 lb. So the payload is more than the plane's wight-1120 lb. ...what if combine this Kirk's 4-seater Cub with that Clint's "Cessna-wing-on-a-Cub" idea?😛
Moose won't takeoff or land as short as this cub but I do know guys are able to get off the ground at sea level, 360hp M14P, & 3500lbs gross, using around 600ft of strip. I find that very impressive. But the M14P has less dynamic landing gear, and does cost more in fuel, and oil. The bearhawk can fly faster in cruise than most M14P equipped moose & all cubs. It can fly slower than the moose & is comparable to the cub. Arguably a better wing design than the cub. This cub has better flaps than both bearhawk & moose. Unfortunately, the moose & bearhawk can not be used in a business capacity. On a personal level, I find the 4 seat cub & bearhawk fascinating aircraft, but the Moose is my dream build.
No, the Carbon Cub is it's own plane and doesn't share any approvals/STC's with the 4 place. You can use it on PA-18 floats with modification to the rigging.
This 4-pl Cub is slower than a regular Cub apparently, whereas a Bearhawk 4 place is roughly as fast as a Cessna 180. Similar takeoff roll between the 4-pl Cub and Bearhawk 4 place. The 4-place Cub is going to land shorter every time, because the Bearhawk is slightly heavier. The Bearhawk has considerably more useful load. Internal space looked similar, as was the pilot's controls configuration.
@@whosaidyoucandance That's kinda how I saw it too. Though I haven't heard them comment on cruise speed for the 4 place Cub, I doubt it's anywhere near the Bearhawk, but that's not it's mission. Sounds like this goes basically anywhere an -18 will go and carry two extra people there. But realistically, the Bearhawk will too except maybe the really tight/short strips where the extra weight keeps it moving that little bit longer... I'm looking forward to seeing how the Bearhawk responds to the Keller flaps, apparently there's a guy in the southwest that's testing a set on his A model.
No .. a maule is to heavy wing loading and barrels along way to fast on sand bars .. Its just not a STOL plane .. won't go slow enough without falling out of the sky.. no idea why people think Maules are good back country planes .. they aren't
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Looks like the perfect back country hauler. Similar performance to a 2 seater with the room of 4... definitely leading position for my next purchase
I’ve put 300 hours on this 4 place and it just keeps getting better. Currently having Kirk build us a second 4 place so me and my partner on 896AK can each have our own.
Would you mind giving me a rough estimate on cost Kirk is charging you for a complete build? This setup looks perfect for me and my family!
When I think of a Super Cub I'm thinking of something that's as close to a helicopter as you can get and still have wings on it. Good stuff thanks for posting
It's almost unhealthy how bad I want one of these.
Yeah, me too.... 😕 My wife says I need help.
@@CS_247 Here I am, watching it yet again and wondering if now is the time to shoot Kirk a message and see how many years out he is.
same
It probably would be good for your mental health to have one, that’s what I’m trying to convince myself of anyway😜
A four place cub is still my dream plane.
The Ellis family are great, have used them for sheep hunting many times. Thanks for having one of them on.
Absolutely my dream too
Piper already did it. Family Cruiser. It did not sell well !
I am not a pilot, but I love bighorn sheep hunting (going on 40 years of hunts ) and my buddy has a Bush Caddy ultra light. We use horses I just wanted to say i found the video very interesting and Kirk Ellis experience and knowledge was something that you cannot learn in a school. If I win the lotto i will be getting a license and looking him up. Thanks from Canada
Doesn’t Maule make a 4 place Super Cub? 😎
It’s not a slim super Cub…it’s a fat boy
I support you and value your idea.keep the innovation and let it have dual controls, consider of providing a control column(yoke) according to clients requirements.Kenyan tail drager pilot.
Awesome... Kirk is so very skilled at building those 4 placers
Nice. Am curious how you figure out how much to lengthen the wings, and how does the engine size compare with a regular Super Cub? Good video. Good luck, guys. Stay safe - Covid still nasty.
Did I hear you correctly?????? At 11:25 in the video you said "you have 700 something pounds of useful load". WHAT?!!! This is a FOUR place. Four 200 pound men is 800lbs!!! No fuel, NO baggage, no nothing! What the heck! So this is still a TWO place aircraft! Two people at 400lbs then you can put in 50 gallons of fuel and you are about to be over weight if you put on headsets and bring a water bottle. What if your one friend who wants to go with you is 250lbs? Less fuel? In Alaska you need that fuel to get to the remote areas. Alaska is three times the size of Texas and there isn't as many airports with fuel as Texas. So this aircraft is basically a single person plane that can carry enough fuel to get you there and back and have still 100lbs of cargo. Better to buy a Murphy Moose! Cheaper too!
How does it compare to a Bearhawk 4-place?
Put those flaps on a hawk and she'd be more of a hell of an airplane than she is now..
There were 6 STC'd 4 place Cubs built in Missouri and sent to Alaska during the building of the pipeline. Are these Cubs based on that design?
What a nice aircraft.
Builder says something and then and the other guy repeats it. Why ??
If you read some books on communication and empathy it's a technique that's used to affirm what the other person is saying, build trust and engage in two way communication. I understand it but if you ask wife I'm terrible at applying it...
WHAT SIZE FLOATS WOULD WORK BEST?
Nice machine, wondering if it will be a good seaplane ?
An excellent seaplane. The huge doors on both sides are amazing for use with floats.
An aft cg...within the limit...will give you a slower stall speed and a higher cruise speed. If you want to see better...and this is the truth...get a seat cushion. This will raise your head higher which will also force you to bring your seat forward...which gives you a better view on approach and landing. Give it a try.
What a great airplane and a wealth of knowledge this man is.
Kirk !! Would have loved to work with you !! I had a set of plans for a "Chubby Cubby" once upon a time, but life veered and the project never happened. All the best !
Can you fly it with the doors open? Great informational video.
How about the wing... any changes to overall SF..extra ribs?...other than extended flaps and ailerons
Kirk have you ever tried a super stol wing set on the 4 place?
Whoa what a beautiful plane! If I didn’t need a house for my kids I’d snag one of these things! 😁
Very nice acft , what’s the time for you to build one as compared with say a kit form for self builder ?
how does it do with two men and two elk/moose? can you carry it easy still?
Your not good at math are you ... the answer is no
Be curious how it performs compared to a Producer or a Bushmaster?
COOL , enjoy your fifteen minutes Kirk .
I WANT ONE , PLEASE ! HOW MUCH ?
I hate to say it....a super cub is just not. A plane for 4 place configured like that...that cock
It and controls are boxed out....everything is forced and put as an afterthought...just like an 1980s humvee...nothings ergonomic. Nobody is comfortable goin cross country... get a Cessna if that’s your intent.... a S cub needs to hug your elbows and the controls just don’t fit centered in the air away from the convenience of the workings hidden in the outer frame... leave them at 900 pounds in,t opinion..but I definetly appreciatie the workmanship and craft that this guy did...a true fabricator.
One time at band camp
I want his plane or one like this for Christmas 😳
More vis n comment on the double slotted flap system plz
Where did you have the seats done I have a pacer with a 180 HP and the seat just kills my back and makes it no fun to fly
Look up Sport Aircraft Seats. They make really nice seats and well worth the cost.
Iam 82 and just love this . I flew a lot of planes in Idaho and Alaska . why wernt these planes were made a way back .. O i want one.
certified airplane? what is the secret to put it into the experimental class? Experimental Exhibition? Experimental Amature Built?
It's certified IF you buy the STC from whoever holds it, and (I believe) already own at least the data plate for a PA-18. Experimental Amateur Built when you just build your own from parts.
Hm, I wonder here...
There's a guy Clint Busenitz in South Dakota (the Vetterman Exhaust) that builds Cubs with Cessna 152 or 172 wings. With the 172 wing in weighs 1080 lb, max gross wieght is about 2200 lb. So the payload is more than the plane's wight-1120 lb.
...what if combine this Kirk's 4-seater Cub with that Clint's "Cessna-wing-on-a-Cub" idea?😛
"500 foot strip...a fairly long strip". Wow, these guys are amazing.
If a Kitfox, a Cub, and a 182 all has a child together 😂
If the standard 2 place Cub is the 'pick-up of the sky' then this is the "crew cab" version.
a bit more modern and stronger engine would make him to a supercup ?
Is a 4 place Cub really a Cub??
No! It’s a fat boy !!
What about the Murphy Moose and Bearhawk?
Moose won't takeoff or land as short as this cub but I do know guys are able to get off the ground at sea level, 360hp M14P, & 3500lbs gross, using around 600ft of strip. I find that very impressive. But the M14P has less dynamic landing gear, and does cost more in fuel, and oil.
The bearhawk can fly faster in cruise than most M14P equipped moose & all cubs. It can fly slower than the moose & is comparable to the cub. Arguably a better wing design than the cub. This cub has better flaps than both bearhawk & moose.
Unfortunately, the moose & bearhawk can not be used in a business capacity.
On a personal level, I find the 4 seat cub & bearhawk fascinating aircraft, but the Moose is my dream build.
How do I find out more about these and where to get one or a kit
What are the wings that are used on the 4 place super cub?
She's a far cry from a beaver is what your saying
Great
Can someone who is 6'4'' for in it though?
Can you put these on floats?
Landin system.... you mean wheels?
Do you have plans to build more?
How does this compare to the Sherpa?
Where do the floats attach?
Is it the same size strut as a pa-18
I LIKE IT !.... and the color is correct........ wow.......... nice plane......... how many flying hours ?
Not too many yet...still flying the first 40 hours off
What about the slats?
yeeeehaaaaaw
How’s it compare to something like a “Producer” Stretched PA22?
Very similar but with larger internal volume, better wing design, and more modification options because it's a PA-18 at it's core
Put a stol wing on that thing
It s dificult for this plane to take off in a short runway with 4 passengers on.
try to listen
Said Maule is faster... Did I miss a cruise speed? Or does cruise speed matter in the STOL world?
Kevin L. Berry it cruises slightly slower than a standard PA-18.
Same cruise speed as a normal PA-18, perhaps a bit faster than some even but hard to tell. Cruise is around 95mph.
Can a Carbon Cub Increased gross weight kit be used with a 4 place Cub? Also, is it still compatible with PA-18 Floats?
No, the Carbon Cub is it's own plane and doesn't share any approvals/STC's with the 4 place. You can use it on PA-18 floats with modification to the rigging.
Airframes Alaska Is there any STC out there to allow the GW to be bumped up?
@@andrewsnedeker8965 Definitely would be nice to see this with a 2500 or so MGTOW
Legend!
Great video
Can you do a nice video of inside and outside of the plane just by itself please
We'll try to get a video like that up in the near future.
@@airframesalaska8030 thanks very much for the reply from matt Toronto ont
@@airframesalaska8030 with 4 people in... one of it taking off & landing too?
How dose it compair to the bearhawk 4 place?
This 4-pl Cub is slower than a regular Cub apparently, whereas a Bearhawk 4 place is roughly as fast as a Cessna 180. Similar takeoff roll between the 4-pl Cub and Bearhawk 4 place. The 4-place Cub is going to land shorter every time, because the Bearhawk is slightly heavier. The Bearhawk has considerably more useful load. Internal space looked similar, as was the pilot's controls configuration.
@@whosaidyoucandance That's kinda how I saw it too. Though I haven't heard them comment on cruise speed for the 4 place Cub, I doubt it's anywhere near the Bearhawk, but that's not it's mission. Sounds like this goes basically anywhere an -18 will go and carry two extra people there. But realistically, the Bearhawk will too except maybe the really tight/short strips where the extra weight keeps it moving that little bit longer... I'm looking forward to seeing how the Bearhawk responds to the Keller flaps, apparently there's a guy in the southwest that's testing a set on his A model.
What a great 👍 💡 . I really 💕 the super cub anyway and to get the performance plus the extra room... what could be nicer?
Other than the novelty and it being unique and cool, it seems like buying a Maule would be a simpler way to achieve the same mission.
No .. a maule is to heavy wing loading and barrels along way to fast on sand bars .. Its just not a STOL plane .. won't go slow enough without falling out of the sky.. no idea why people think Maules are good back country planes .. they aren't
How much useful load???
Watch the video!!!!
Not enough for 4 adults, 670 lbs. (from Airframes Alaska website. This plane is for sale.)