@@SmallArmsSolutions or you could start working for common wealth countries millarys.... cause the nz army brought these for the marksman in each section
Then LMT should pay everyone who reviews there firearms, considering that all reviews posted about LMT are amazing. Even the review about the New Zealand contract that exposed flaws in the rile was still a good review.
Awesome presentation! I purchased an LMT Sharpshooter within the last month based on this overview. It is my first AR-10, and my first LMT product, and you are absolutely correct about the quality! Plus, as an AUG user, having an easy to remove barrel is a major plus. 🙂
21:17 The SAS initially approached Colt with the requirements for a rifle, however Colt were unwilling to adjust tooling for such a small order as they were churning out M4s. This is why they approached Diemaco who were happy to oblige.
Colts willingness was irrelevant due to them being in bankruptcy within 10 years. But I agree, Colt was not into making special guns. However, I think they would have made the exception for something as prestigious as SAS. But there was no choice. Diemaco in the end, was the far better choice for them on many different levels.
I want one of these so much. I have been saving for over a year and I'm doing my research on High End 308/7.62mm rifle. I have been looking at LMT, Knights Armament, LWRC , Daniel Defense, LaRue Tactical, Noveske, Aero Precision and Heckler&Koch. I'm leaning hard towards LMT because it seems to have the best balance of what I want. There are just so many quality manufacturers on the market. Great review as always. Thank You for all your hard work Chris.
I love LaRue and Noveske lwrc and Daniel Defense ..LMT is moving up on my list but I love LaRue , quality accuracy customer service and warranty they are almost like a piece of art.... I almost forgot about guiseley but not enough experience with that one yet
Thanks for your insights on this L129. I was with Danish scout snipers a couple of weeks ago and they had this rifle and RRS tripods which were brand new. We shot the AI Arctic Warfare Rifle but they said they're ditching AI because of quality problems.
The 2 versions the UK uses is the Sharpshooter (UK name for a DMR) as shown in the video and the SSW (Sniper Support Weapon) carried by the No.2 in a sniper team. It has the 3-12 S&B scopes they took off their 7.62mm L96AW's when they were replaced by the .338 L118's and has a suppressor fitted. Post Afghanistan the SSW isn't very common for some reason.
@@AlexLintonUK Yup, sorry put the wrong number in. The L118 was the UK designation they gave to the updated version 7.62 L96A1 which was then largely replaced by the .338 L115.
As the LMT has an easy barrel disassembly I can bet that some Rupert (British junior Officer) Will want it out and cleaned as it shows how brilliant he is .
Smart move by LMT to use the KAC lower blueprint. Not only does it look good on paper for brand association but It also gives the customer more options especially if they have KAC rifles.
Loved shooting this, shocked by how good it was at staying on target after the shot. I'd shot a few comparable rifles to it and this was the stand out, so glad when we got it
I prefer heavier pewpews to lightweight specifically for that reason. 85% of 1st shots in high-stress situations miss (adrenaline, shock, rushing to action, etc). Reacquisition of target quickly is crucial. Glad to know the Brits think like I do. I also prefer 1980s-1990s semi-auto hammer-fired pistols for carrying for the same exact reasons. In this era of lightweight polymers, I seem to always be the odd man out.
I bought a Barrett REC 10 2 months ago and have used it out to 800yds averaging 1 to 1.5 moa depending on the wind. I used a Leupold vari x2 6x 308 175gr Sierra. This rifle is very light and for a 16" rifle is very accurate. I would like to see you review this rifle. Average velocity is 2500 fps with match 175 and 2600 fps with Malaysian ball ammo. Malaysian shot very well out to 600yds. Great videos.
Spoke to some of my pals who where issued the Sharpshooter and in the start they had issues, with extractions where the claw was breaking, and also the rear of the spent cases being ripped off and thus leaving a casing in the chamber, not sure how many did this but it seemed to be an issue at first.
I’ll give you a hint, in Special Forces, a barrel only goes through one contact, then it’s changed out, if there is a buffer in the weapon, ditto, then the weapon is taken through an operation rehearsal where 400 to 700 rounds are put through it, if it’s ok it goes out on the op.
Don't think it outclasses the SR25 in terms of accuracy, reliability, or durability... Does have a few more capabilities with the monolithic rail and user-changeable barrels, though. And they have SR25 BCG's.
@@Rb889 Yeah, I agree. I'm assuming they were more concerned about having a monolithic rail. They both pale in comparison to an HK G28 in terms of long term reliability.
@@epiccowboymemes2042 Monolithic rail makes sense in this application, for both optics and IR designators. As for the G28, ehh... I've seen and heard of too many problems with the 416/417 to believe that, every single problem I've experienced with KAC weaponry has been third party parts, (Non-KAC suppressors, especially) or gov't spec fuckery. The M110 was fucked by the morons that wrote the specs; no adjustable comb on the stock, and HPT on ALL bolts, despite protests from Knights' engineers. That's where the problems with their bolts come from. The suppressor on that thing is... It's alright, especially for when it was being deployed, but it's not as good as what's available today. Sig might be able to make that durability claim with the SPEAR, seeing as it's designed around their 277 Fury, and their intended goal is to have both the MCX and SPEAR last 20K rounds with zero breakages. They're damn close to that with the Virtus, if not already there.
Great video Chris , bought a mars H after watching all your videos comparing it to the KAC , was not disappointed , looking to get the 556 version of which you also have videos, keep up the good work sir!
Oddly you mentioned it's not easy to replace the FN SCAR barrel. It's exactly the same process as on a MRP. FN SCAR 6 screws vs 2 screws on the LMT, takes about 2 more minutes. Both are very easy.
the (marksman) as you say,is for the spotter in a sniper team.its for easier target recognition and should the scope on the main rilfe be damaged they have the one from the spotter as a backup and then the spotter goes to 6 x acog as his backup
The flash suppressor is for the Surefire FA762K legacy suppressor that predates the SOCOM series. The current SOCOM RC, and RC2 won’t couple to that one.
less than military grade SA80 are you MAD the SA80 A2 is a superb rifle accurate dependable and perfect for CQB combat i guess all youve heard about the SA80 has only been about the A1 version i went threw basic training using the A1 and i say the flaws were a good thing cause you got so good at dealing with the rifle stoppages that when u got to ur unit and got handed an A2 if u do got a stoppage dealing with it was second nature . mind you after using the A2 for upwards of 9 years i have nothing bad to say about it and stoppages are negligible . so please please please dont have a bad word to say about the SA80 unless u EXPRESSLY STATE THAT YOU REFERRING TO THE A1
@SmallArmsSolutions the 6x Acog 648 is very interesting, I was wondering if you would be willing to do a video on the optic. I am considering the 3.5x Acog TA11 and Vcog. I also am near sighted so possibly LVPO is my only good option, I have had a hard time seeing the reticle clearly before when looking through one, but the Acog is extremely clear like glasses.
i used this on the range and was leathal 1000yrds with 5.56mm was doable but we had to close the gap when the sharpshooter come out was unberlivable we was then able to knock taliban on there bums at 2000 yrds amazing wepons system
Bomber Harris I’ve seen sas using g3 in Northern Ireland I asked them why I was informed because it’s 7.62 and full auto I also saw them with g53 as well but your right the c7 is there standard rifle
@@MrTangolizard They used the G3 for a while in NI because they wanted a short 7.62 with a collapsing/folding butt to be used in cars as the 5.56 from the HK53 was found wanting when shooting into vehicles. The G3s were found a bit unweildy though, so were dropped quite quickly. The folding stock and short barrel made it quite difficult to control on automatic and the noise was immense.
Total in love with this weapon, unfortunately in UK i can't have it due to price and also it would be a straight pull - can I swap places with a liberal in US...!?
19:55 "18 Inch is the ideal barrel length for a .308. (…) So, once your propellant is burnt, by having a longer barrel you are not gaining anything, basically you’ll have the bullet start to slow down.” The point with the burn duration is right, but the acceleration part is not correct. After the powder is burnt, there is much pressure left to accelerate the bullet. That is the main reason to have 20 inch or even 24 inch barrels for long ranges with .308: higher bullet velocity. The 16..18 inch threshold for acceleration is for pistol cartridges. Compare at "ballistics by the inch"
@@muwuny The mags were originally Colt, then Radway Green (utter crap and a cause for half your stoppages), then HK high reliability (very good but heavy) then Magpul EMags. Many units have gone back to the HK mags as the EMags were obtained as UORs and no long term contract was ever signed for them.
vampyr the SA80A2 is one of the best rifles in the world thanks to H&K. The A1 was utter shit and I’d rather beat my enemy to death with a flashlight than use it but the A2 and now A3 were and are amazing rifles.
I should have said "light" that way. I've never handled any rifle so I don't actually know how it feels or handles. I'm merely repeating what I heard elsewhere. You're talking about bean counters making a decision so "light" can mean they just didn't like the cost.
@@LilyTheCat151 I've heard the recoil causes the shooter to lose their sight picture. Since a heavier rifle is at less risk of that, and the L129 is the heavier of the two, I'm guessing that's it.
Personally LaRue is my favorite overall I don't know enough about lmt. Geissele is also another I need to learn about. I'm just waiting for sharps and Henry to come out with a full AR
Would you say different variants of the mws have the same quality? The l129 vs the new defender,or the "sniper rifle" package. Any big differences between the family?
Do you think the LMT MWS in general will adopt the ambi bolt catch like the SR25/M110? I recall you mentioning that the ambi bolt catch was being restricted by KAC? Your thoughts are always appreciated. Great video as always. @smallarmssolutions
Yeah, LMT makes top notch much higher quality than just military grade weapons. Picked up the 13.5" p/w to 16" .308 "battle" rifle. Thing is a beast and first tier quality. Want to purchase this reference rifle as well as the NZ 5.56 gun
Would be nice to have a 6.5 mm barrel, say 260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmoor to give 300 Win Mag type trajectory and a bit more reach. It's interesting that it beat out the H&K417 which I understand the Australians use as their DMR. Question - I've heard it said that the direct impingement system used in the L129 is slightly more accurate than the short stroke piston system used in the H&K417, is that true and if so why?
Generally speaking DI systems are more accurate than short stroke systems, which are both more accurate than long stroke systems. Again generally speaking, there are always exceptions and one can build a very accurate M1/M14 (with enough time or money). The reason is that the more mass that is reciprocating the less consistent each cycle and lockup is going to be. Consistency is the key to accuracy and the less moving parts the better. That is why the most accurate bencrest rifles don't even have ejectors, as even the spring pressure from plunger style ejectors is another variable that can cause inconsistency. Back to the mass of moving parts. If you built a perfectly tuned M1/M14 shooting 3/4 moa 10 shot groups, then fired 2000 rounds, and another set of 10 shot groups it would most likely be over 1 moa because wear in the system would create inconsistencies which would lead to worse accuracy. The gun could be tuned back up, but it's not a consideration for DI systems which would not be as effected by wear in the gas system. Unless your able to use the rifle to it's potential and shoot enough rounds it's not a issue. Just fun facts about different rifle systems. 99+% of people won't see the accuracy degradation from one system or the other, and starting accuracy is all down to how much time and effort it put into manufacturer of the rifle to begin with.
Even though this comment is 4 years old, LMT now has multiple calibers for their barrels. Piston systems have moving parts and created a disturbance that you wouldn’t get from a bolt action. The Serbu BFG 50 is an example of how the gas system is better In Accuracy than Barrett’s cycling barrel, but is less reliable. AK47 is another example of inaccurate piston system.
Did you drop the bolt intentionally when you re-inserted the barrel or did the barrel insertion itself trigger the bolt to drop? Was jw since the bolt needed to be locked back to remove it and am curious if its something the rifle does itself upon reinsertion to assure its seated properly or if its supposed to stay locked to the rear while reinstalling the barrel?
Adam Grantham We have one these. The bolt catch, or latch is the same as any M4 with regards to the way it functions. The bolt going home was inadvertent. When I reinstall the barrel I move it until the front screw fits back in its hole. I close the bolt, and pull forward on the barrel. Then torque the bolts to spec. There isn’t much movement once you put the front screw in, but there is a tiny amount. After I fire about 10rounds I go back and check the torque on the bolts again.
I heard/read loosening a bolt with a torque wrench can harm it. I use a regular 3/8 bar with a socket torx. Cost about $4 at Walmart for three that includes the t10. Talking with a gunstore clerk who had an older LMT and he said they included a Harbor Freight wrench back then lol. FTR, my LMT is the CA full featured version of the .224 Valkyre with a 6.8 spc in it.
Is the current Mlok version of the adopted by any military. There is this FDE coated MWS at my local gun shop for 3k. is it as good as this model or is the mlok not considered as good?
This was actually developed around the British 7.62x51mm ball round. But they use match cartridges as well. My opinion, the 175gr OTM is the best overall performer
@@SmallArmsSolutions You are absolutely right. I tested 147gr and 175gr cartridges from the same GGG military brand. My grouping tightened until it became sub-moa with the 175gr. Literally a hole in a hole. I was very impressed by the quality of the gun, the quality of the company and the advice you gave us in recommending this brand.
It's an AR-308. Not sure why you would need to have a 5 minute barrel change on a rifle like that. Frankly that took way too long for a heavy fire situation. Plus under fire and under pressure dinging up the gas tube while trying to fish it in can and will cause gas flow issues. It took you 3 or 4 tries to get it in the hole and your just making a casual video. It's not a machine gun and shooting a rifle like that in full auto is a waste of ammo. My Aero M5E1 build with a criterion barrel is lighter. It's 11.5 pounds with a bipod and a loaded 20 round mag in it. I like the surefire set up at the tip though. I'm pretty sure I've seen the 4 prong on optics planet. As far as I know there is no noticeable improvement over the 3 prong. That's why the 3 prong is still so popular. Especially if you live in Texas. Armalight is squared off in the back and that's an AR10. AR10 is not a generic term for all AR-308 builds. I wish I would have put a nice LVPO on it. Good LVPOs have a forgiving eye relief and with a throws lever you can bring the power down on the fly and use it like a dot with both eyes open. Eotech's 1 -10 LVPO is crazy good. It's not as expensive as that trigocon. That rifle at 16 inches to me doesn't make any sense. It's probably over priced due to that optic and "quick" changeable barrel. Also 18" for the 308 is the sweet spot with 168 grain. 20" barrels for 308 get substantially heavier without enough ballistic improvement to justify it. That rifle is cool but more of a novelty in my honest opinion. If your going to go through the trouble to pack extra barrels in a bulky case that cartridge doesn't make any sense to me. Don't get me wrong because I absolutely love 308. It's just that my rifle is good for CQB if need be and 1500+ meters in the right hands. My point is you don't need all the extra proprietary bs that comes with that rife and I don't like the chosen optic for it. Love the trigicon just not on a would be sniper 308 with a 16" barrel. 🤔 The British... No wonder we were able to win our freedom without the French. 😂🤣😅
I can't see the MOD coughing up the cash for enough LMTs in 5.56 as a universal rifle. I suspect the new HK offering the 433 will be chosen if the price is right (as in less than the 416).
The L129A1 was procured as a sharp shooter weapon. It was never intended to replace the SA80. It is issued at a 1 per section level to infantry. As for what will replace the SA80 - There aren't any plans to replace it for a long time, and trials haven't been announced. I wouldn't be betting the house on what is chosen when it does happen. We have a history of choosing something unexpected. Everyone thought the 417 was guaranteed to be taken on as a sharp shooter as we had a relationship with HK but we chose the LMT. It was widely accepted we would take the P226 as the standard pistol as it was in use as a UOR and with SF but we took the Glock 17 etc.
Thanks for such an informative video. Im currently contemplating between a few 7.62 semi-auto platforms. I was curious if your thoughts about the LMT LMK65-MARS vs JP Rifles LRP-07 with respect to accuracy using the 6.5c as well as any advantages lmt may have with respect to quality.
How come so few subscribers? Chris's content is phenomenal... Granted there's no Gucci shooting super fast reloading high speed stuff going on, but those channels are dime a dozen... Chris's knowledge and research are almost perfect with actual facts and very few suppositions... Life is stranger than fiction sometimes... 😂
@Texas Rancher no matter how many technical videos I watch... No matter how much money I have or don't have... I can't ever own any of these fine tools...
@@SmallArmsSolutions thanks, that was my thought, would be interesting to know if that was part of the nz decision, or if it's been tested by any military evaluators
Are the ERGO GRIPS on the LMT rifles, proprietary/different? Or are they the same as the originals you can buy from Ergo, or brownells. It is a SEXY gun!!
Thank you for the indepth review of this rifle, im from the uk and love to learn about our army's firearms but guns are a taboo subject in our libtard country and info can be hard to find. Great channel by the way. 👍
You can pick up a recent copy of Janes Small Arms in the reference section of any central public library. Thats paid for by the tax payer. Or, shock horror - get off your arse and serve in the forces.
you can get this rifle in uk legal form ! same rifle as what the brit army uses but with semi auto disabled - this is what makes it legal to own on a shell issue certificate from your local county / city police chief
The Army have made videos about this weapon. If you have firearms certificate you can get this gun as a lever release version or bolt action. Guns are not "taboo". It's just a lot of people are not interested in guns. We are lucky to not have many shootings in this country.
I want this. Do you think this is a better 308 than the Noveske? Can you review LMT’s new line of suppressors? Where can the LMT short barrels be purchased?
It's factually incorrect to say that 308 will slow down after 18 inches of barrel. It's demonstratable that you will get increased velocity up to 24 inches. That's not to say that that velocity is needed unless you're trying to shoot you past 800 meters, though.
“Normally you’ll see 1:10 on most 7.62” M24 and M110 also have 1:11.25. M40, and Scar 20S are 1:12. Using the standard 1/11.25 twist isn’t exactly revolutionary.
LMT should start paying you, you do amazing reviews for them. This rifle, the NZ rifle...
Rob G 😂
@@SmallArmsSolutions or you could start working for common wealth countries millarys.... cause the nz army brought these for the marksman in each section
David Bolton we are always open to consulting work
Then LMT should pay everyone who reviews there firearms, considering that all reviews posted about LMT are amazing. Even the review about the New Zealand contract that exposed flaws in the rile was still a good review.
I realize it's pretty off topic but do anyone know a good site to watch newly released series online ?
This man is the real deal!!!! Not out lining his pockets and selling shit. He is a true educator. May the good Lord bless him and keep him.
Or, we can help support him. Just saying.
Awesome presentation! I purchased an LMT Sharpshooter within the last month based on this overview. It is my first AR-10, and my first LMT product, and you are absolutely correct about the quality! Plus, as an AUG user, having an easy to remove barrel is a major plus. 🙂
I’m well jealous.. illegal for public to purchase here .. please fire a few rounds for me and on the AUG to 👍🏻
Meanwhile here in Chi-canada..they are litterally attempting to ban ...ready?...Airsoft.👯♂️
@@rpm1796 seriously!!
@@johngriffiths3309 What state are you in? I'm in CA.
@mystery meat I’m south eastern England the United Kingdom 👍🏻
No one even comes close to your videos. Thank you for your in-depth coverage of all the firearms you present. I have the LM308 MWS 18”. Great gun!
21:17 The SAS initially approached Colt with the requirements for a rifle, however Colt were unwilling to adjust tooling for such a small order as they were churning out M4s. This is why they approached Diemaco who were happy to oblige.
I think you confused the L129A1 with the L119A1. But Colt Defense could not do the contract primarily due to Bankruptcy
@SmallArmsSolutions I know. My point was in reference to your comment about the SAS approaching Diemaco for their weapon.
Colts willingness was irrelevant due to them being in bankruptcy within 10 years. But I agree, Colt was not into making special guns. However, I think they would have made the exception for something as prestigious as SAS. But there was no choice. Diemaco in the end, was the far better choice for them on many different levels.
LMT are doing good sales over here; they also equipped the new BTP (British Transport Police) armed section with LMT CQB 10.5" SBR in 5.56mN.
also doing good sales with uk cilvilan legal rifles ie the sharpshooter rifle and the 5.56mm LMT
@@Flappatackle wrong
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Some bad fare dodgers in the UK.
What about LMT 762 select fire fires good on auto Chris tested it as well good weapon to replace sa 80.
I want one of these so much. I have been saving for over a year and I'm doing my research on High End 308/7.62mm rifle. I have been looking at LMT, Knights Armament, LWRC , Daniel Defense, LaRue Tactical, Noveske, Aero Precision and Heckler&Koch. I'm leaning hard towards LMT because it seems to have the best balance of what I want. There are just so many quality manufacturers on the market. Great review as always. Thank You for all your hard work Chris.
I went m1a socom , fn scar17, custom ar10 SLR, LMT mws H, checked out ADM, LWRCI, DD and some others
LMT is the best platform for AR's period
I love LaRue and Noveske lwrc and Daniel Defense ..LMT is moving up on my list but I love LaRue , quality accuracy customer service and warranty they are almost like a piece of art.... I almost forgot about guiseley but not enough experience with that one yet
Nice, concise, factual and well delivered assessment. Thanks!
Thanks for your insights on this L129. I was with Danish scout snipers a couple of weeks ago and they had this rifle and RRS tripods which were brand new. We shot the AI Arctic Warfare Rifle but they said they're ditching AI because of quality problems.
Cheers from New Zealand for another excellent review.
Bought mine in 2012 didn't really know what I was buying, great rifle and great to know I did not waste my money very accurate
The 2 versions the UK uses is the Sharpshooter (UK name for a DMR) as shown in the video and the SSW (Sniper Support Weapon) carried by the No.2 in a sniper team. It has the 3-12 S&B scopes they took off their 7.62mm L96AW's when they were replaced by the .338 L118's and has a suppressor fitted. Post Afghanistan the SSW isn't very common for some reason.
Yea, the SSW isn't even in the more recent versions of the PAM. Shame, as it is a good fit for the role.
the L115 is the .338 version L118 was still .308
@@AlexLintonUK Yup, sorry put the wrong number in. The L118 was the UK designation they gave to the updated version 7.62 L96A1 which was then largely replaced by the .338 L115.
As the LMT has an easy barrel disassembly I can bet that some Rupert (British junior Officer) Will want it out and cleaned as it shows how brilliant he is .
User isn't allowed to change the barrel. The Armourer does that.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE this channel. So informative,and breaks it down to the nuts and bolts of every detail.
You are the BEST person disecting the military or non-military rifles!!..👍
Thanks Chris. Your original publication of this video helped me decide to get my MWS.
Smart move by LMT to use the KAC lower blueprint. Not only does it look good on paper for brand association but It also gives the customer more options especially if they have KAC rifles.
I have the Commerical version and it’s phenomenal
Loved shooting this, shocked by how good it was at staying on target after the shot. I'd shot a few comparable rifles to it and this was the stand out, so glad when we got it
I prefer heavier pewpews to lightweight specifically for that reason. 85% of 1st shots in high-stress situations miss (adrenaline, shock, rushing to action, etc). Reacquisition of target quickly is crucial.
Glad to know the Brits think like I do. I also prefer 1980s-1990s semi-auto hammer-fired pistols for carrying for the same exact reasons. In this era of lightweight polymers, I seem to always be the odd man out.
I bought a Barrett REC 10 2 months ago and have used it out to 800yds averaging 1 to 1.5 moa depending on the wind. I used a Leupold vari x2 6x 308 175gr Sierra. This rifle is very light and for a 16" rifle is very accurate. I would like to see you review this rifle. Average velocity is 2500 fps with match 175 and 2600 fps with Malaysian ball ammo. Malaysian shot very well out to 600yds. Great videos.
Spoke to some of my pals who where issued the Sharpshooter and in the start they had issues, with extractions where the claw was breaking, and also the rear of the spent cases being ripped off and thus leaving a casing in the chamber, not sure how many did this but it seemed to be an issue at first.
I’ll give you a hint, in Special Forces, a barrel only goes through one contact, then it’s changed out, if there is a buffer in the weapon, ditto, then the weapon is taken through an operation rehearsal where 400 to 700 rounds are put through it, if it’s ok it goes out on the op.
OKAY I THOUGHT STRAIGHT UP THIS WAS GOING TO BE A SPIN ON A BRIT-AR10 VIDEO. BUT WOW I WANT ONE....!!!
THANK YOU.. I WANT ONE....!!!
Telling when a rifle beats out both the FN SCAR H and the Knights SR-25.
Don't think it outclasses the SR25 in terms of accuracy, reliability, or durability... Does have a few more capabilities with the monolithic rail and user-changeable barrels, though. And they have SR25 BCG's.
@@Rb889 Yeah, I agree. I'm assuming they were more concerned about having a monolithic rail. They both pale in comparison to an HK G28 in terms of long term reliability.
@@Rb889 i hope so. It is like 2-3 times the price.
@@epiccowboymemes2042 Monolithic rail makes sense in this application, for both optics and IR designators. As for the G28, ehh... I've seen and heard of too many problems with the 416/417 to believe that, every single problem I've experienced with KAC weaponry has been third party parts, (Non-KAC suppressors, especially) or gov't spec fuckery. The M110 was fucked by the morons that wrote the specs; no adjustable comb on the stock, and HPT on ALL bolts, despite protests from Knights' engineers. That's where the problems with their bolts come from. The suppressor on that thing is... It's alright, especially for when it was being deployed, but it's not as good as what's available today.
Sig might be able to make that durability claim with the SPEAR, seeing as it's designed around their 277 Fury, and their intended goal is to have both the MCX and SPEAR last 20K rounds with zero breakages. They're damn close to that with the Virtus, if not already there.
@@Rb889 LMT makes a lot of the SR25. Take that for what it’s worth.
Great video Chris , bought a mars H after watching all your videos comparing it to the KAC , was not disappointed , looking to get the 556 version of which you also have videos, keep up the good work sir!
Oddly you mentioned it's not easy to replace the FN SCAR barrel. It's exactly the same process as on a MRP. FN SCAR 6 screws vs 2 screws on the LMT, takes about 2 more minutes. Both are very easy.
SA80 is a good rifle these days been much better since the a2 version came out
Peter Strange ”serviceable” rather than “good”
You can't polish a turd.
@@snowflakemelter1172 You can if you change most of the parts
@@borkwoof696 No, it's good. Its only real drawback now is its weight.
@@Yimello And manufacture it with new tools and employees who haven't just been told they're going to lose their jobs in the near future.
LMT rifles are just, very fine pieces of art. I always wanted to shoot this rifle, maybe I'll get the chance someday.
Great video. Your original talks on the mws made me buy my mwse. So far a great rifle. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
the (marksman) as you say,is for the spotter in a sniper team.its for easier target recognition and should the scope on the main rilfe be damaged they have the one from the spotter as a backup and then the spotter goes to 6 x acog as his backup
Always use Ball’s a theorem to determine optimum barrel length, you can’t escape the physics, if you’re talking accuracy
The flash suppressor is for the Surefire FA762K legacy suppressor that predates the SOCOM series. The current SOCOM RC, and RC2 won’t couple to that one.
Chris, here's your new book title and documentary, "The Killing of the AR-10".
How about: "Stoner's Pheonix: The death and rebirth of the AR-10"
less than military grade SA80 are you MAD the SA80 A2 is a superb rifle accurate dependable and perfect for CQB combat i guess all youve heard about the SA80 has only been about the A1 version i went threw basic training using the A1 and i say the flaws were a good thing cause you got so good at dealing with the rifle stoppages that when u got to ur unit and got handed an A2 if u do got a stoppage dealing with it was second nature . mind you after using the A2 for upwards of 9 years i have nothing bad to say about it and stoppages are negligible . so please please please dont have a bad word to say about the SA80 unless u EXPRESSLY STATE THAT YOU REFERRING TO THE A1
Have you used other rifles to compare with ?
sa80 is comlpete garbage
Let's be honest, the SA80 is far from superb.
A3 out soon
Its sooo good we can't make them fast enough for all the export orders, we're selling two a decade and they only cost us £5000 to make one.
We need a sharpshooter 2 video !
Thanks for info Chris. Hi from UK 🇬🇧
beautiful rifle
Another great vid Chris, thank you!
Awsome piece of kit
That is a Very Sweet THunder Stick!!! :)
Damn, that's a beautiful rifle!
I'm joining the British army, mostly just so I can hold this beauty
join a gun club get a permit then you can get a UK civilian legal sharpshooter rifle to keep in your own home
@@geezerp1982 The moment u know as german that your gun laws are not that shit in comparison with uk
I have that same four prong on my URGI build
This is a beauty.
@SmallArmsSolutions the 6x Acog 648 is very interesting, I was wondering if you would be willing to do a video on the optic. I am considering the 3.5x Acog TA11 and Vcog.
I also am near sighted so possibly LVPO is my only good option, I have had a hard time seeing the reticle clearly before when looking through one, but the Acog is extremely clear like glasses.
i used this on the range and was leathal 1000yrds with 5.56mm was doable but we had to close the gap when the sharpshooter come out was unberlivable we was then able to knock taliban on there bums at 2000 yrds amazing wepons system
>much better than the SA80s they had
The SAS have never used the SA80, they've been using AR-15 derivatives since the 60s.
I never mentioned the SLR.
Bomber Harris I’ve seen sas using g3 in Northern Ireland I asked them why I was informed because it’s 7.62 and full auto I also saw them with g53 as well but your right the c7 is there standard rifle
The HK 417s in special forces service are designated the L2A1
Grimwol quite possibly now I saw them with the G3 in the mid 90s
@@MrTangolizard They used the G3 for a while in NI because they wanted a short 7.62 with a collapsing/folding butt to be used in cars as the 5.56 from the HK53 was found wanting when shooting into vehicles. The G3s were found a bit unweildy though, so were dropped quite quickly. The folding stock and short barrel made it quite difficult to control on automatic and the noise was immense.
Quality rifle
I bought an LMT MWS 308 civilian version. I’d like to know, what’s the OEM case that the L129A1 comes with? I’d like to get one for myself. Thanks!
Want one of these so bad, but I cannot find it in stock anywhere!
Lots of similarities to this and my LaRue 762 Pretatobr
LaRue isn’t even on the same stage.
Do these use a fixed gas block or adjustable? LMT doesn't go into detail on this on their website..
CB fixed
Total in love with this weapon, unfortunately in UK i can't have it due to price and also it would be a straight pull - can I swap places with a liberal in US...!?
Great video
19:55 "18 Inch is the ideal barrel length for a .308. (…) So, once your propellant is burnt, by having a longer barrel you are not gaining anything, basically you’ll have the bullet start to slow down.”
The point with the burn duration is right, but the acceleration part is not correct. After the powder is burnt, there is much pressure left to accelerate the bullet. That is the main reason to have 20 inch or even 24 inch barrels for long ranges with .308: higher bullet velocity.
The 16..18 inch threshold for acceleration is for pistol cartridges.
Compare at "ballistics by the inch"
>SA80
>less than military grade
he was talking about mags.
@@ThePhilipoconnor The mags were colt mags.
@@muwuny The mags were originally Colt, then Radway Green (utter crap and a cause for half your stoppages), then HK high reliability (very good but heavy) then Magpul EMags. Many units have gone back to the HK mags as the EMags were obtained as UORs and no long term contract was ever signed for them.
I mean have you used an SA80, even the revised versions are still ass
vampyr the SA80A2 is one of the best rifles in the world thanks to H&K. The A1 was utter shit and I’d rather beat my enemy to death with a flashlight than use it but the A2 and now A3 were and are amazing rifles.
It looks like the Nucelar Constabulary force has picked these dmr rifles up as well now.
I believe the SCAR was tested but thought to be too light.
Justin Martin yes sir. It was too light for them lol
I should have said "light" that way. I've never handled any rifle so I don't actually know how it feels or handles. I'm merely repeating what I heard elsewhere. You're talking about bean counters making a decision so "light" can mean they just didn't like the cost.
plus its unreliable. SAS/SBS and Navy Seals who have fielded the SCAR found it malfunction heavy and the reciprocating bolt handle is annoying.
The SCAR L and H are joke rifles, the belgians built better guns before it (the FN FNC, the FN MAG, the FAL.)
@@LilyTheCat151 I've heard the recoil causes the shooter to lose their sight picture. Since a heavier rifle is at less risk of that, and the L129 is the heavier of the two, I'm guessing that's it.
A decent rifle at last. It's taken the UK long enough.
The British Sa80 a3 is a much better rifle than the original
How does the LaRue OBR compare to LMT?
Personally LaRue is my favorite overall I don't know enough about lmt. Geissele is also another I need to learn about. I'm just waiting for sharps and Henry to come out with a full AR
Have you seen or heard anything about New Zealand decommissioning, selling and/or importing any of their old AUGs here into America??
Even if they do, US citizens won’t be able to have them.
Just buy a civilian US AUG with the AR-15 magazine compatibility. Why would you want a ratted out Kiwi AUG from their military?
Is that the cheapo Ergo grip you see everywhere now?
How much does it weigh?
Which suppressor would be a good fit for the rifle Chris?!
Manbrown1 SilencerCo Omega
Cool AR.
-looks at LMT Website
-$6,000USD just for the Rifle
-Dies inside that I cannot Has.
Would you say different variants of the mws have the same quality? The l129 vs the new defender,or the "sniper rifle" package. Any big differences between the family?
Do you think the LMT MWS in general will adopt the ambi bolt catch like the SR25/M110? I recall you mentioning that the ambi bolt catch was being restricted by KAC? Your thoughts are always appreciated. Great video as always. @smallarmssolutions
Charles Ferguson it already s for sale. Called the MARS lower in both 5.56 a.d 7.62.
This gun is really nice looking.
Wish you would of showed the locking mechanism when you had the barrel removed.
AR 7 lug bolt
So cool
Yeah, LMT makes top notch much higher quality than just military grade weapons. Picked up the 13.5" p/w to 16" .308 "battle" rifle. Thing is a beast and first tier quality. Want to purchase this reference rifle as well as the NZ 5.56 gun
Would be nice to have a 6.5 mm barrel, say 260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmoor to give 300 Win Mag type trajectory and a bit more reach. It's interesting that it beat out the H&K417 which I understand the Australians use as their DMR. Question - I've heard it said that the direct impingement system used in the L129 is slightly more accurate than the short stroke piston system used in the H&K417, is that true and if so why?
Generally speaking DI systems are more accurate than short stroke systems, which are both more accurate than long stroke systems. Again generally speaking, there are always exceptions and one can build a very accurate M1/M14 (with enough time or money).
The reason is that the more mass that is reciprocating the less consistent each cycle and lockup is going to be. Consistency is the key to accuracy and the less moving parts the better. That is why the most accurate bencrest rifles don't even have ejectors, as even the spring pressure from plunger style ejectors is another variable that can cause inconsistency.
Back to the mass of moving parts. If you built a perfectly tuned M1/M14 shooting 3/4 moa 10 shot groups, then fired 2000 rounds, and another set of 10 shot groups it would most likely be over 1 moa because wear in the system would create inconsistencies which would lead to worse accuracy. The gun could be tuned back up, but it's not a consideration for DI systems which would not be as effected by wear in the gas system.
Unless your able to use the rifle to it's potential and shoot enough rounds it's not a issue. Just fun facts about different rifle systems. 99+% of people won't see the accuracy degradation from one system or the other, and starting accuracy is all down to how much time and effort it put into manufacturer of the rifle to begin with.
Even though this comment is 4 years old, LMT now has multiple calibers for their barrels.
Piston systems have moving parts and created a disturbance that you wouldn’t get from a bolt action.
The Serbu BFG 50 is an example of how the gas system is better In Accuracy than Barrett’s cycling barrel, but is less reliable.
AK47 is another example of inaccurate piston system.
How much does this entire package cost$?
Did you drop the bolt intentionally when you re-inserted the barrel or did the barrel insertion itself trigger the bolt to drop? Was jw since the bolt needed to be locked back to remove it and am curious if its something the rifle does itself upon reinsertion to assure its seated properly or if its supposed to stay locked to the rear while reinstalling the barrel?
Adam Grantham We have one these. The bolt catch, or latch is the same as any M4 with regards to the way it functions. The bolt going home was inadvertent. When I reinstall the barrel I move it until the front screw fits back in its hole. I close the bolt, and pull forward on the barrel. Then torque the bolts to spec. There isn’t much movement once you put the front screw in, but there is a tiny amount. After I fire about 10rounds I go back and check the torque on the bolts again.
steve wilson thank you, sir!
I heard/read loosening a bolt with a torque wrench can harm it. I use a regular 3/8 bar with a socket torx. Cost about $4 at Walmart for three that includes the t10. Talking with a gunstore clerk who had an older LMT and he said they included a Harbor Freight wrench back then lol. FTR, my LMT is the CA full featured version of the .224 Valkyre with a 6.8 spc in it.
Is the current Mlok version of the adopted by any military. There is this FDE coated MWS at my local gun shop for 3k. is it as good as this model or is the mlok not considered as good?
alec Estonia yes, New Zealand has quad Mil-STD-1913
Wonder how this compares to the Robinson XCR-M
I'd either have this or the KAC m110k than either the M110 or the G28
Fantastic rifle but the choice of scope is now maybe a bit dated
So what is most accurate cartridge for this rifle the 155gr or the 168gr ?
This was actually developed around the British 7.62x51mm ball round. But they use match cartridges as well. My opinion, the 175gr OTM is the best overall performer
@@SmallArmsSolutions
You are absolutely right. I tested 147gr and 175gr cartridges from the same GGG military brand. My grouping tightened until it became sub-moa with the 175gr. Literally a hole in a hole. I was very impressed by the quality of the gun, the quality of the company and the advice you gave us in recommending this brand.
It's an AR-308. Not sure why you would need to have a 5 minute barrel change on a rifle like that. Frankly that took way too long for a heavy fire situation. Plus under fire and under pressure dinging up the gas tube while trying to fish it in can and will cause gas flow issues. It took you 3 or 4 tries to get it in the hole and your just making a casual video.
It's not a machine gun and shooting a rifle like that in full auto is a waste of ammo.
My Aero M5E1 build with a criterion barrel is lighter. It's 11.5 pounds with a bipod and a loaded 20 round mag in it.
I like the surefire set up at the tip though. I'm pretty sure I've seen the 4 prong on optics planet. As far as I know there is no noticeable improvement over the 3 prong. That's why the 3 prong is still so popular. Especially if you live in Texas.
Armalight is squared off in the back and that's an AR10. AR10 is not a generic term for all AR-308 builds.
I wish I would have put a nice LVPO on it. Good LVPOs have a forgiving eye relief and with a throws lever you can bring the power down on the fly and use it like a dot with both eyes open.
Eotech's 1 -10 LVPO is crazy good. It's not as expensive as that trigocon.
That rifle at 16 inches to me doesn't make any sense. It's probably over priced due to that optic and "quick" changeable barrel. Also 18" for the 308 is the sweet spot with 168 grain. 20" barrels for 308 get substantially heavier without enough ballistic improvement to justify it.
That rifle is cool but more of a novelty in my honest opinion. If your going to go through the trouble to pack extra barrels in a bulky case that cartridge doesn't make any sense to me.
Don't get me wrong because I absolutely love 308. It's just that my rifle is good for CQB if need be and 1500+ meters in the right hands. My point is you don't need all the extra proprietary bs that comes with that rife and I don't like the chosen optic for it. Love the trigicon just not on a would be sniper 308 with a 16" barrel. 🤔
The British... No wonder we were able to win our freedom without the French. 😂🤣😅
I can't see the MOD coughing up the cash for enough LMTs in 5.56 as a universal rifle. I suspect the new HK offering the 433 will be chosen if the price is right (as in less than the 416).
The L129A1 was procured as a sharp shooter weapon. It was never intended to replace the SA80. It is issued at a 1 per section level to infantry. As for what will replace the SA80 - There aren't any plans to replace it for a long time, and trials haven't been announced. I wouldn't be betting the house on what is chosen when it does happen. We have a history of choosing something unexpected. Everyone thought the 417 was guaranteed to be taken on as a sharp shooter as we had a relationship with HK but we chose the LMT. It was widely accepted we would take the P226 as the standard pistol as it was in use as a UOR and with SF but we took the Glock 17 etc.
Thanks for such an informative video. Im currently contemplating between a few 7.62 semi-auto platforms. I was curious if your thoughts about the LMT LMK65-MARS vs JP Rifles LRP-07 with respect to accuracy using the 6.5c as well as any advantages lmt may have with respect to quality.
friscoray2 you get so much more for your money with The LMT
How come so few subscribers? Chris's content is phenomenal... Granted there's no Gucci shooting super fast reloading high speed stuff going on, but those channels are dime a dozen... Chris's knowledge and research are almost perfect with actual facts and very few suppositions... Life is stranger than fiction sometimes... 😂
@Texas Rancher no matter how many technical videos I watch... No matter how much money I have or don't have... I can't ever own any of these fine tools...
Do you get less flash with the 18" barrel than the 16?
Ihategoogle Alot theoretically, more powder is burning burned in them 2 inches
@@SmallArmsSolutions thanks, that was my thought, would be interesting to know if that was part of the nz decision, or if it's been tested by any military evaluators
Thanks for the vid-very informative. Would the civilian version sharpshooter have all of the current LMT iterations of bcg etc?
The DFC yes sir
Are the ERGO GRIPS on the LMT rifles, proprietary/different? Or are they the same as the originals you can buy from Ergo, or brownells. It is a SEXY gun!!
they just have LMT logo instead of ergo nothing else $33
The civilian version with," Sharp Shooter" in bold white lettering on the magwell looks absolutely ridiculous.
we dont have those silly markings on the uk cilvilian models
just the standard not highlighted
Agreed, I wish LMT would drop that
The UK will only use 7.62 so a barrel change option is irrelevant to them.
This or the HK MR762A1?
Thank you for the indepth review of this rifle, im from the uk and love to learn about our army's firearms but guns are a taboo subject in our libtard country and info can be hard to find. Great channel by the way. 👍
Its great never knowing anyone who has been shot and never seeing policemen with guns.
You can pick up a recent copy of Janes Small Arms in the reference section of any central public library. Thats paid for by the tax payer. Or, shock horror - get off your arse and serve in the forces.
you can get this rifle in uk legal form ! same rifle as what the brit army uses but with semi auto disabled - this is what makes it legal to own on a shell issue certificate from your local county / city police chief
@@zoiders or just buy the uk civlilan legal sharpshooter rifle from LEI !
The Army have made videos about this weapon. If you have firearms certificate you can get this gun as a lever release version or bolt action. Guns are not "taboo". It's just a lot of people are not interested in guns. We are lucky to not have many shootings in this country.
commercial MWS are also chambered in 762x51... can you shoot .308 cartridge thru this rifle?
b k yes, you may fire both
No shooting the L129? 😥
I want this. Do you think this is a better 308 than the Noveske? Can you review LMT’s new line of suppressors? Where can the LMT short barrels be purchased?
LMT sells their other barrel options on their website.
It's factually incorrect to say that 308 will slow down after 18 inches of barrel.
It's demonstratable that you will get increased velocity up to 24 inches.
That's not to say that that velocity is needed unless you're trying to shoot you past 800 meters, though.
The. Hell with. The English our rifles our good
“Normally you’ll see 1:10 on most 7.62”
M24 and M110 also have 1:11.25. M40, and Scar 20S are 1:12.
Using the standard 1/11.25 twist isn’t exactly revolutionary.
Does LMT offer just the uppers by themselves?
For MWS they have a stripped one with MLOK, and one with quad rail.