"Why I don't use emulators" People this is his reasons why he doesn't use them. He's not saying "why you shouldn't" He's simply expressing that emulating for him would basically tarnish him as a collector by removing motivation to even bother getting games anymore when he can just emulate em.
Heck if it wasn't for emulation I wouldn't have been able to play many fan translated imports or shit tons of arcade games via MAME. Also with the price of many games going upwards of hundreds and sometimes even thousands that's realistically the only method for some people to experience a game.
I completely agree. It just feels so good playing said game on the actual system with the actual cartridge with the actual controller. People that don't get that feeling will never understand
WhiteBoiNiggaz Then, save? Don't have sex irresponsibly? Budget your money? Get a job? Don't do drugs? I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but if someone can't at least spend 30 dollars for a video game or even 10 dollars, then I should just laugh at them. Maybe if people got off their ass to go look for a job or could just put their hormones on pause, then they wouldn't be living with their mom having to go on child support.
J Lander your kidding right? some of these games cost $100s now. buying games for multiple consoles is incredibly expensive and prices have skyrocketed over the past 5-6 years. look at snatcher and earthbound. used to have 100s of games and like a dozen consoles then i realized this shit is too expensive sold it all for thousands and emulation is a cost effective replacement and allows higher resolution on most post-snes consoles
I understand where your coming from. However my missus would kill me if I had over 100+ systems setup in my house. Then store all the games, wire it all up etc etc etc People emulate for many various reasons. Love what your doing here and respect the hell out of it. I think some of these self righteous guys making random comments on those who emulate need to maybe think a little harder. In many cases they need to do some research and read the letter of the law a little better :) Love your love for the games mate, keep up the good work ;)
Hell yeah i play the PS1 emulator on my 7 inch Android tablet with the game being rendered at my tablets native resolution, so i can be walking to 7 Eleven while playing FF 7.
Emulation is not our fault and Good for us users.. internet is there why not use it?.. if your a collector then emulation is not for you to just play around with.. but if you only want to play games not causing lots of money from Gas to Hardware. then Emulation is there for you.. don't be such a Close minded.. if Developer don't like this, then they would shut those Links down them selves.. if the download button is always there then press it. i have seen people just throw their things in the garbage because they don't like keeping old video game stuffs and broken consoles so it is a waste..
I used to use Emulators, but once I started collecting both new and old video games, I realised how much more satisfying it was to play it on the console that it was made to be played on, getting the enjoyment in the same way that everybody else did years ago on the same platform just feels amazing. And since realising this, I haven't touched a single emulator, it's not always about which option is the cheapest, sometimes it's just about having more fun.
@@lord_cobi I’m not really. Truthfully I’m mostly joking. People should game however they wish. But I would add that the primary focus logically should be on gaming, not how the games are accessed.
I use emulators but only due to convenience. 99% of the roms I play, I own a physical copy of anyways, and if I don't own it, but I like it, chances are I'll end up purchasing it for the satisfaction of having it.
3:35 This is the same reason I don't use emulators any more. I think they're great for preserving the history of games and providing access to obscure and rare titles, but having access to virtually everything all at once makes it too hard for me to appreciate them individually.
I always try and justify myself to my friend of why i do this, and you pretty much summed it up. I prefer to have the real game. I feel more immersed in the real game because im playing it how it is meant to be played.
I don't get why people hate emulators: -60 fps - better graphics - cheat engine - another control support and the company who made the console/game and it has n't a pshyhical re-release they don't win money for the console/game so everybody wins.
Better graphics? Not true, original hardware is almost always a better option. Depending on the console you may need to modify it to output RGB. But RGB via a PVM or upscaled through a Framemeister looks much better than any emulators I've tried. That's without even talking about all the glitches you encounter on emulation.
I'd like to disagree here, jim. An emulator PCSX2 easily lets PS2 games with 1080p+ be played, and you can also use your actual discs for the PS2. but for the most part, this is correct
+RBLX Zatko Yes fair point the PCSX2 does look great outputting 1080p, but it isn't all plain sailing with the PCSX2, the graphical glitches on some of my favourite ps2 games are so annoying that I'd rather just play it on original hardware + Framemeister. I'm not an emulation hater, far from it but I often find that fine tuning and tweaking settings on emulators can detract from just sitting down and gaming. The Amiga emulator (WINUAE) is a great example of a frustrating emulator!
Totally agree with you, Pete. Great video dude, keep them coming! I hope you can still have time to make a top ten games for 2013, and what games you bought recently.
I use emulators because I don't have the resources to buy all these consoles and official cartridges/discs, and because eventually these older systems will stop working. I own a SNES and a lot of games for it, some of which are not available as ROMs as far as I know, but it's starting to show signs of wear (e.g. Yoshi's Island freezing and completely resetting all the save data ;n;) and it won't last forever. But this little file on my computer called SNES9x will let me play them for the rest of my life. ouo That being said, if Nintendo decided to re-manufacture the SNES and reprint the cartridges without changing a single element of the original games, I'd totally stop emulating! X3
1. Emulators make swapping and finding games on the fly easier 2. Older games can be upscaled, shaded, filtered, and sustain higher framerates than that on original hardware. 3. Easier to pack up when I need to move. 4. Don't have to own a second building to store everything, nor go to that building to get the games I don't play as much. 5 preservers the software/hardware I have that is physical in my small collection. Puts use on something that can be easily repaired or replaced. I also prefer a computer to a console. Computers are easier to repair and rarely do I need to replace anything but maybe a fan or redo some thermal paste. Also generally easier to clean. 6 Portable gaming digital is so much easier than swapping carts. My phone is all I need thousands of games in my pocket. Just which the controller fit better in my pocket but still a lot less bulk than a modest 3DS library. I also recommend you get your games from private or protected sites. I personally don't see any desire for physical. That being said I am somewhat a hypocrite in that I am trying to collect as much of the N64 library as I can. Even if an Everdrive is in my future most likely. It was the first system I ever bought with my money and some tragic events took it and than later my games from me. I also have some other consoles and a handful of games but even those as the emulators get batter I am weaning off them.
Wow this videos pretty much summed up my exact sentiments. When I first discovered emulation I was so excited. "Holy crap, I can play ALL these games for ALL these systems for FREE!" Then I realized something. I had no motivation to play any of them. I found that games I actually pay for I tend to stay committed to playing them. I'm not really against emulation per se, but I just love that authenticity of playing the physical game on the physical console.
I agree with you but I'm not rich which is why I have done it. Thanks to emulation, I was able to experience so many games I missed out on and it's amazing. It's impressive but like you said it's overwhelming. Theres so many games and it's hard to commit to one. Actually there are even some games I pay for that I have a hard time completing. I just lose interest or time or something. Or forget about it. However after a bit of time you are able to narrow the choice of games. You are right it's not the same playing a room through an emulator vs using the original hardware. It's better than the original. Nowadays, emulators like Dolphin and PCSX2 look and run amazing on the PC, much more than the games on GC, PS2 and Wii. The resolution is upscaled and there's new textures. The frame rate can go to 60 fps while originally they could only run between 20 and 30fps
Emulating has become a lot more appealing now that formerly common NES & SNES games are starting to triple and quadruple in price. I used to be a hardcore collector, but after watching my luck dry up and the prices skyrocket, I had to ask myself, is it about the games or about materialism? Guess which way I answered.
The main point that prevented me from falling in love with Emulator gaming was the lack of authenticity when playing the games. Playing a PSP game through a PC keyboard for instance, or playing a DS game without a stylus. I can never get my mind past the stage of being completely aware that I am not playing it the way it was meant to be played.
I generally don't use emulators except for MAME. But TEH ROMZ WAREZ is the only way to play most unpublished games, beta versions, hacks, patches etc etc etc. I still play those on real hardware with the Everdrive flashcart family. Did you know that taking a single line of code A SINGLE FRIGGIN' LINE out of the original Sonic the Hedgehog makes the rotation in the bonus stages much smoother? This actually makes the bonus stages more enjoyable for me as I always felt that they gimped it. But I am not going to buy a repro that sacrifices real cart shells just to play something like that.
These people in the comments who emulate literally cannot afford most things. And that's ok, having fun is not only reserved for well off people. Everyone deserves to have fun.
lol. if you dont want to spend and exobitant amount of money for 20-30 years old videogames, doesn't automatically mean that you can not afford it. Its is simply unreasonable to do so.
@@000hero6 20 and 30 year old video games still hold value. If you want nice things it's going to cost you. That's how things work in North America. Don't know where you're from but you've got to earn it here in the States.
@@DominiqueDeMann "if you want..." if you want to have a virgin-museum at home, you can buy all the games you ever wanted to play. But if your only goal is to play these games, emulation makes much more sense. You have to earn it everywhere in the world, even in Africa.
There's less mental investment into a game when it's on a list that you can click and access. There's definitely a sort of physical ritual of seeing a proud collection, preparing yourself, taking it off the shelf or out of the box and placing it into the machine. A much more tangible experience that feels more meaningful and distinct as opposed to selecting a game on an emulator and playing away. There's also different rules that apply to emulation gameplay. Save states and the like make the game so accessible challenge is taken away from the equation even though it's an option. After stopping collecting and dipping into emulation I can say without a shred of doubt the experience is different. Not necessarily lesser, but different.
I totally understand why you don't use emulators and that's fine you do you. But the sad thing about older games is how flash memory works. Eventually after a game on flash has been played to many times the flash memory essentially dies and all the data is lost. That's why a lot of collectors use emulators to play their games. Emulators lets you enjoy the game without slowly reducing the life span of the physical copy itself because what the point of owning the original version if the cartridge itself doesn't contain the data for the game anymore. Then it's just a show piece in a collection and not really what it once was. So emulators let you play these great games as much as you want and you don't pull out the hardware every time you just feel like playing. You pull out the hardware for those special occasions.
I use emulators cause I have better uses for my money: 1- Feed and take care of my family 2- Pay the bills so we don't end up on the street 3- Keep on saving some of it in a piggy bank so both my daughters can have a good education I'm not saying I don't understand you collector's point of view, cause I do, I have a game collection aswell (PS3), some are from friends that know about it and give them to me when they don't want them anymore, most of them are second hand games, good but pretty cheap when I got them and I maybe buy, what, 3 games a year, I would buy more but, hey, priorities. I do agree, it feels much better to play on the console, it feels real but who cares, people use whatever they want or are able to get their hands on, the important thing is we are enjoying our games =)
Wade Schipprack No, the actual makers of these games don't make money of these games anymore. Piracy is something else, especially of modern games. I used to pirate every game because I just couldn't dish out 60 dollars every time a good game comes out, but since I switched to pc gaming and use steam I haven't pirated anything in a long time.
PeteDorr brings up a good point about being cautious nowadays when downloading emulators and music, shit always has lag problems or viruses. When you want to eat food that's fresh and/or healthier, you gotta pay more.
Hear, hear. It's the same for me, emulators just are too easy, if you have everything available at the click of a button, you really don't give the games the attention they deserve. Not to mention the controls and overall feel when you're playing.
I could honestly say the same for collectors though. There is always a next game to purchase and not usually enough time to appreciate the latest purchase.
I love having a shelf that i can pluck a game from. It's just so nice to pick up and look at a physical copy. Emulation of older games has become really good, but GC, PS2 era games are notoriously difficult to emulate properly. A physical copy is a must.
+Dylan W (Ishmael) I've never had a problem running GC and PS2 games on PC. If you have the latest version of the emulator and a decent pc you'll have no issues at all.
+Dylan W (Ishmael) These days, PCSX2 + Dolphin on any halfway decent PC will have the game looking and sounding better than it ever could on the original hardware. I just don't have space to keep a CRT around so my Wii and PS2 games don't look like shit :p Of course, PS3 and 360-era games will probably never be emulated, or at least not within this decade (and probably next).
I can understand your enjoyment of buying a real copy, it's like how I feel, a 15 year old, saving up for something I want and buying it with my hard earned money, if my parents offer to buy the thing for me I refuse because even buying something that would cost 50 cent fills me with such pride and happiness. But I use emulators mostly because like I've said previously, I'm 15, I can't get a gamecube I would but I'm literally not allowed because I already own a laptop, ps4 and a switch and I'm not a spoilt rich kid because I own a laptop and two consoles at 15 (ps4 is actually my dad's I just use it, laptop is the only expensive thing I wss given, I bought that switch myself with a little help from my little sister by saving) anyways I'm rambling I only started emulating yesterday and it's amazing to finally play the classics, the games that were father and uncles and aunts childhoods, I totally would buy the real thing if I could because let's be honest, those things look so cool on a shelf (and they run better, this is laggy as hell xD which is obviously my computers fault)
I like having hard copies, but Emulating games on a portable console makes it easier to play them anywhere. Honestly, I don't like emulating much, but playing Star Fox 64 on my PSP anywhere does tickle my fancy.
I recently decided to import an Australian 2DS XL to not only play foreign exclusives like Inazuma Eleven but also to incentivize myself to start keeping my games & fight the impulse of trading in games. If the games aren't NTSC/US, I'll feel not only more committed to them, but I'd also feel like I have a collectors item naturally cuz it's a "rare" game. I can relate to your whole perspective on emulators. In High School, I used to mod PSP's & PS2's for classmates. It was a very lucrative business. But with the ability to play any game I wanted...I lost the thrill of playing a brand new game cuz I had too many options. I never had the focus to appreciate the game cuz I didn't work for it. I think the reason we love games from our childhood so much is because we couldn't play everything...so we had to make a choice & get the most out of that one game. I miss those days....
Didn't know you were a Blind Guardian fan Pete. Check out Letzte Instanz and Schandmaul if you get the chance. One thing you missed about emulators is that they can and in many cases are superior to playing games on the actual system from a technical standpoint. You can use filters to make the game look better, it can load faster, and you can make SD games HD. I don't really use emulators much these days, but I will use them for older handhelds. I have a lot of trouble going back and playing anything Pre-DS and honestly even the original PSP. The tiny/terrible screens annoy me after being spoiled by the Vita and 3DS XL, so emulation let's me enjoy those games a lot more.
I hear you about handhelds. I got a 3DS XL a bit over a year ago and love the thing. There is some GBA games I have such as Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and Tactics Ogre the Knight of Lodis that I really thought I should play. I dug my old original un backlit GBA out, found some AA batteries, and fired it up. Not only was the screen incredibly small, I could barely make out what was going on even with a lamp right next to me. Then I realized why I never really got big into handhelds until the DS and 3DS. So I busted out visualboy advance and plan on playing both of those as well as a fan translated patched Mother 3.
Andrew Phillips I have been really into handhelds since the GBC and the older handhelds never really bothered me. Sure, the lighting sucked for a long time, but there was really nothing better so you learned to play near a lamp and deal with it. I can admit that I have just simply been spoiled by the new handhelds lol. My eyes have adjusted to the advanced lighting, bigger screens, and much higher resolution. The Vita and 3DS/DS XL took handhelds to a completely different level. Once you go big you can't go back ;).
TriforceRich Yeah it is all relative. Kind of like going back to a standard definition TV after becoming accustomed to an HDTV. Thing about my GBA is I think there might be something wrong with it, as I knew it would be a step back, but how it is now like I said with a lamp right next to me I can still hardly see whats going on. It couldn't have been that bad.
Andrew Phillips It could be, but honestly the lighting on the original GBA is terrible. It's why they came out with that lamp add on back in the day. I really think it's just our eyes adjusting to something new and it being difficult to adapt back to something so inferior. I don't mind playing older games by any means, so it isn't a case of either of us being some sort of graphic whore. I remember getting the original psp when it launched and thinking how amazing it looked. Now I have a PSP-3000 and I really can't play that thing after the Vita. Luckily, I only have a few PSP games left to play before the system is shelved for good.
TriforceRich Yeah I notice I can still tolerate the PSP. I don't have a Vita yet. But, even going from 3DS back to PSP it takes a bit of adjustment. However, I have 10+ PSP games in the backlog that I need to get around to playing, mostly lengthy JRPGs.
I understand where you're coming from, Pete. But emulation actually got me back into retro collecting. I used to download roms for snes and genesis. In the end I started collecting again and now I collect physical versions. I will on ocassion use a rom to test a game before I buy. I think for really expensive things like MUSHA and Alien Soldier it's fine.
I don't think you would be saying these things if you weren't wealthy. If you have the means to buy the insane number of physical games that you have, I could see how you could prefer having the physical object, getting to see it in your hands for the first time. But for anyone on a budget emulation is the way to go. GameCube and DS emulation has some problems, but from what I've seen, PS2+PSP and everything else earlier works just fine aside from some very specific games. And for many of those, you are afforded the option of rendering the games at a higher resolution. If you've seen the high res DS rendering, you'll be shocked by the detail of the 3D models that were just destroyed by the system's native resolution. It's not mandatory, but it's there if you want it, and at the very least increased anti-aliasing can go a long way improving the fidelity while still keeping the aesthetic of the original game. And while a few have framerate issues, many more have a framerate advantage. Some emulated PSP and Wii games will even run at 120FPS if you have a 120Hz display. The actual game on the actual console LOOKS LIKE SHIT in comparison. Its not even vaguely up to preference. The difference is insane, and it looks beautiful. On PC if you know what you are doing, you can basically use any controller, for any game. The real controller, or your favorite controller, any work as long as they have enough buttons and analog movement for games that require it. I think because you have a large amount of disposable income, it has allowed you to like collecting and nostalgia, more than video games themselves. And that's totally fine, but someone that cares about video games as an art form above all else, wouldn't be so obsessed with buying and owning the physical medium. It's the same thing with record collectors who care more about owning rare valuable black discs than the music contained on them. You can totally enjoy both, but the fact that you sort of ignore PC gaming where all of the games are digital, and what you said in this video, makes me believe you care about the collection side of things more than the actual games.
I am just a teen and I can't buy everything, but I do feel the same way Pete does. Sure I slip up sometimes and buy digital or play PS1 games on Dreamcast/PS3. I am sure Pete has slipped up, too.
Great video. I wish you made this video about 5 years ago. I use emulators and have every snes, genesis, turbografx, neo-geo, mame, etc... and what you said about having everything available and skipping games and overload is so true. I regret it alot, even I regret mame too. I also am very impulsive and have over 1500 games on Steam, but don't appreciate them as much because I accumulated them so quickly. The games I appreciate more is on my ps4, xbone, and wiiu because I only have a few on each, so I value them more.
Since emu's can load the actual CD, I usually play my ps1 games through an emulator to enhance the graphics. That way I can enjoy collecting black label physical copies as well having a better visual experience.
LMAO! Who in the hell is afraid of the internet? Dude, it’s not that complicated to avoid getting viruses. And hell, even if you do, life is all about risk. I think it’s quite stupid to either a) spend ungodly amounts of time finding the games you want or b) spending absurd amounts of money for old games. I’ve spent enough money on SNES games when it was new. I’m not paying some loser out of Florida $600 to play a Earthbound. The internet is gross place that is trying to destroy our society but one thing that it is awesome for is getting digital content. If you aren’t capitalizing on that, I think it’s just foolish.
You can say the same for Comic books or Cards, like it or not these material things have value. I honestly think you just don't have the $600 for Earthbound, you mentioned that specifically because deep down inside you really want it lol
Is not just "feel", PS1 games look better on a CRT and most emulators are still problematic. Mednafen works pretty well but it doesn't come with the CRT-Hyllian filter, which i love. The audio in ePSXe has improved a lot, the reverb effect is pretty close to the real thing, but there are still problems with audio crackling and stuff like that. Scaling also doesn't work great with most games of that era, 3D scales fine, but 2D elements like menus usually present glitches. I have a small collection of GB/GBA games and I prefer to play them on a GBA SP, there's no need for filtering, everything looks crisp, the games look better on a small screen because of the low vertical resolution. With SNES I don't mind emulating, the games look good on big screens and physicals copies are pretty expensive anyway. It's not black or white, also part of the fun is finding games on Ebay, trading, organising...
I use emulators because channels like these make older games so ridiculously expensive. I appreciate all the recommendations for each console but I don't intend on paying over $150 for any game any time soon.
Do you really think those prices aren't affected by "Top 10" videos that always get up to 300000+ views praising already hard to find games? You can watch eBay listings quickly disappear on previously unknown titles when a big name reviewer puts word out about it. These videos are what sell old games, but we're not dealing with an unlimited supply so people raise the price like crazy. This isn't anything new.
Getting old school games are getting easy now a days. You can buy them cheap digitally via PSN, Virtual Console etc. No excuse to use emulators unless your cheap I personaly use them to record and it's legal to use them if you own the game so I emulate games I already own to record them for TH-cam.
+HuskyZ If you play on PSN or Virtual console you are playing an emulator. Not hating on it though. I've spent thousands collection NES and SNES cartridges, but they sit on a shelf and I play the games on emulators with Maximus Arcade hooked up to a CRT television. Switching between my NES and the emulator on a composite switch I can tell no difference in the picture or sound. I choose to own the original hardware now because I'm an adult with my own business and great income, but emulators were a godsend when I was younger. My best memory of Zelda Link to the Past was on an emulator 12 years ago. That's how I first experienced that game. Same goes for Ocarina of TIme. Now I own the cartridges thanks to the appreciation I developed on the emulator. Flash carts are also vital to my collecting. That way my expensive carts can be on the shelf for display and not getting wear and tear. The point is, retro gamers have an awesome variety of choices to enjoy the games and I think it's great. I also think emulation is the key to all these games staying relevant 50 years from now. I'm 32, and these old games aren't old to me. But thanks to emulation, I see 14 year olds on youtube praising these old games. I guarantee you emulation was how they first experienced them. Someday all those original carts are going to have their data corrupted and emulation and flash carts will be the only way to play them.
If you have problem with viruses you do not have a good antivirus.Gazillions of people downloading things on daily basis and still never crash their computers for a years.
Anime is The best Here it is directly from google: gazillion ɡəˈzɪljən/ number North American informal noun: gazillion; plural noun: gazillions; noun: kazillion; plural noun: kazillions a very large number or quantity (used for emphasis). "gazillions of books"
Weird. You happened to mention the ONE game I emulated recently and one of my top most wanted games... E.V.O. - Search for Eden. I definitely am a collector and want physical copies of games if I can help it. E.V.O. was one of the FEW exceptions and the one time I was grateful just to be able to play a game, even if I didn't own a physical copy. Great Vid!!
"I don't want to have access to all the games because I would have access to too much and be spoiled by choice" says the guy with 1000+ game behind him. What?
+Travis Holmes But the ones that he still buys are earned, not just "Oh that game looks okay, I will download and try it out" it is much more casuual then, i spent $60, I must play this
I'm the opposite personally, games to me are just bits and bytes, and emulation has been a lot more convenient and beneficial than playing on the actual cart. I was doing the collecting thing for a while but I've just lost interest in it, and with the gaming bubble going on lately with the insanity of the prices, I don't want to activity contribute to that bubble getting bigger in any way. I'm not opposed to paying for games via emulation, but Nintendo doesn't exactly make Virtual Console an appealing way to go about it. My complaints with Virtual Console is the pricing for a lot of games is too high, it lacks most of the extra features that PC and Mobile emulators do, the game selection is pretty limited at times, and there is no ownership from platform to platform. Why can't I buy a NES game on Wii U and play it on my 3DS or Wii without paying again and without any avenue to transfer saves? And something you might consider Pete would be a flash cart, it will allow you to play on the original hardware with a game selection screen for roms, maybe something to consider for rom hacks, translated games, games that are virtually impossible to find, etc. And there are controllers and/or controller adapters that will work on PCs and such for emulation for people that must have the original controller experience, though for consoles that use analog sticks like N64, it can be pretty tricky to get the analog sticks setup good.
I'm sorry dude but your reason for disliking emulators makes you sound like you're not a gamer at all, to me emulation is like borrowing a game from a friend, I play it, if I like it I'll keep going and finish it, if I really like it I'll buy the physical copy. you're just a collector my friend
The way you got this out was a very intelligent argument. It's basically the same reason I only pay for the streams and boxsets/dvds of anime. Awesome videos.
I feel like my hand was forced. I remember one of the first things I did as a kid online was sign a petition for Square to release FF5 in the US when it would have been a normal SNES era release before FF6. Of course that didn't happen. At somepoint they released it on the PS1...but serveral years later and I ended up buying it, but that made me wonder, what ELSE didn't we get? Then I learned all the dark arts, and of course once you go to the dark side, you can't go back...anyway I feel like although pirating for profit should be smashed and pirating for free should be discouraged, but if you sit around waiting to localize stuff for months and years, you reap what you sow. I don't think we'd have netflix, crunchy roll, steam, or Itunes or any of the other convient and cheaper methods of getting media without the constant threat of piracy.
Frank Johnson I think we'd still have some of these things but the business models would be more expensive so I think piracy helps even if it isn't a really good thing to say.
emulation and soft moding is the way to go. I must say I did this for the majority of the DS era and while I do regret missing out on owning and supporting some of the games I loved- they still sold well, and once we got rom patching, we could do more with our games cause of action replay and rom hacking- which expand the games to a whole new level- I just figured out how to play as meta knight in boss rush mode in kirby: nightmare in dreamland (using what the game never did, the L/R buttons), or challenge packs for heart gold/soul silver and to me it gives the game replay ability tremdonously can I get that from buying the game only? hell no! plus think of all the games we miss in NA for not being localized
I'm a vinyl record collector, for me buying music on vinyl is like having your cake and eating it! The only one gripe i have is having to get up and change the record every 5 minuits, and it can be very tiresome if a friend asks for a tune and i have to search through about 500 Vinyl to find it!
My brother and I had our Nintendo 64 break in 2012 and, we tried playing it together on an emulator but couldn't get multiplayer to work so we got another n64 and played together and it worked!
One of the reasons I don’t play emulators is because they always malfunction in someway and it just feels off and it feels like you’re just renting it.
This is an interesting subject. I´ve gone from being a full pirate when I was 12 years old to now mostly playing the real games on the real console. It was a big change yes, but things have changed a lot over the years. Back when I was 12 I played gameboy color and gameboy advance roms all the time but that compelled me to eventually buy a gameboy advance (my second console ever after N64). I pretty much bought all the GBA and GBC games I pirated when I was younger eventually when I had the GBA, mostly new titles but some I got used. There is a much better feeling playing the real games than emulating them, especially when the games and systems are cheap. I just bought a PS2 in 2013 and a PS1 in 2014, so it is never to late to dig into older games that you missed. I have a pretty reasonable collection for PS2 games (around 40 total, more than even the gamecube) and around 8 PS1 games. I also have a PS2 (another one) that reads burned DVD games so I have that for the expensive and hard to find PS2 games if I can´t pay for them. But now I am a profesional and once I find a job in my field again I will continue to keep buying the real instead of pirating. This is the reason why I´ve never bothered with the SNES, its too expensive and I have a huge backlog of games as it is, never finished a single game on that console (even through emulation). I´ve mostly resorted to getting ports on alternate consoles instead (many were released on the PS1, GBA and other consoles).
+jimpan99 me too i hate digital game i have 780ti and old dvd cuz i love box sorry im french im bad but have nice day i still buy my game from amazon.ca never on steam
DpoProductions i have 3 physical editions for pc, even though it just have a steam code in it, it's nice. Yeah digital has unfortunately been the way to go for me because of the steam sales :S
Everyone could have the opportunity to play physical copies if "collectors" (hoarders) didn't drive up the price and let the games sit on their shelves to show off on their TH-cam channels. Ten years ago you could buy Earthbound for 100$, 5 years ago it was 250$, now it's 500$ because every retro gaming collector on TH-cam with almost literal mountains of games has a copy collecting dust on a shelf. I've always wanted a copy but that's a ridiculous price so I happily PLAYED the game through an emulator and then happily paid for the game for a reasonable price when Nintendo gave me the opportunity on Virtual Console. Now i'm gonna go play Snatcher for Sega CD on my Wii through a CRT monitor for free and you can spend 600$ buying it from another "collector" (scalper).
If you want to buy a physical copy of a game that's fine, if you want to use an emulator that's fine too. As for me I like to own the physical copy of the game. I'm not rich, I just know how to shop. When I have an interest in a game I first watch some gameplay footage, then find out the games length ($60 for a 4-6 hour game to me is not worth it), I'm a patient person so I can wait for a good sale in store or on ebay and amazon. Also please don't let some 1-10 score from a review or the graphics be the judge if you should get the game or not. Have a great weekend everyone :)
I prefer the real thing, I like to have the box/case, manual etc, and to play it on the original hardware. I can't really enjoy using emu's on my computer, I find it hard to hold my attention on them, because when I'm on my computer I just like to browse online. I think emulation is great though as it preserves all of the classic games.
1. I enjoy collecting games A: You can put those discs in your PC and play them. You can still collect all your games. 2. I miss the enjoyment of playing it on my TV with the original controller. A: You can do that with a PC. Get a $2 adapter. You can play on any display with PC, even a projector or a CRTV if you want. 3.Physical collection A: You can still do that, I use physical discs and cartridges on PC. 3.Having too many games means I wont play them. A: Buy your own games and not pirate them then. Is that really that hard? 4. Downloading games. A: Don't do it then... You can literally do all these things on a PC... all of it. Except for playing them on the actual console. Other than that they can be exactly the same and you can even enhance them visually if you want. You can even play your games in virtual reality if you want to.
I love your earnestness. This is quite an old video so I would normally refrain from commenting, but I think the subject is always in the spotlight. I favour emulation for convenience and avoid hoarding. I basically play roms on my wii u or 3ds which itself also offers roms via virtual console, but with a façade of legitimacy for those who cares about these things. Emulation has come to a point which is the de facto more convenient option since its practically 1:1 these days. I like that you dont try to justify your preference based on a technical point but realizes it is a matter of feeling. Your passion is also what makes your channel so fun to watch.
Oh please, I am not paying $600 for the privilege of playing Chrono Trigger on original hardware. You people that scoff and look down on people who emulate are nothing but elitists.
You know what’s really funny? Most of the collectors on youtube (e.g. Metal Jesus Rocks) they all play games on Everdrives on optical SD readers. So they have these HUGE physical collections but don’t even bother to use them. Why? Because it’s a pain in the ass to put the games in (or they are afraid of wearing stuff down).
Deep down inside you really want a physical version of Chrono Trigger why mention that game specifically any otherwise. It's ok if you can't afford it, that's not a bad thing. And I'm pretty sure Chrono Trigger doesn't cost $600
@DominiqueDeMann bro ur so upset people aren't dumb enough like you to keep holding onto shitty physical media that wears down each time you put it in and out.
I think for me personally, I notice a correlation between the anti-digital media, and anti-emulators. I had discussions with a lot of people who seem to hate both. When I was younger, I had a completely different stance on the issue than I do now. I used to collect rare games and enjoy the aesthetics of owning a large library of physical copies. As I got older, I realized that it's somewhat childish to try to pile a gaming collection to the sky under the pretense of being a hardcore gamer when there is a limit to the physical space one person can have, and with the advent of digital media. I was against the PSP Go at first as well as tablets and phones becoming gaming devices. As time went on, I began to see the practicality of it. I now own a crapload of the vintage games I love to play, condensed on emulation devices. I am very old-school and must have classical controls to these games, but that isn't an issue as there are devices and controllers available that emulate the system layouts. It's a matter of opinion, but to me, making the transition from being a physical collector to being a digital one is a matter of maturity, that only some people experience. People have different situations. I have a lot of responsibilities, and can't afford to have a room piled to the ceiling with games. Some people my age, still live at home, or are very free bachelors, and remain encased in the same world they knew at 17. Nothing against them, but they have a different perspective, not the superior one.
I haven't even got an antivirus installed at the moment, and haven't done on this system for about 3 months, I just know where to get things, and know what not to click ;).
I understand 100%. I worked in museums for many years cataloguing artefacts. I thought it was great to display repros (medals, uniforms- I worked in a military museum) when we needed it for rare items to support the story we were trying to tell in our exhibits if we didn't have a specific piece in the collection, but I would rather we acquire the original items eventually if possible. I feel the same way about games. Emulation is great for preservation because sure, these carts and discs can't last forever. But I love collecting (old) games and having the whole experience with the hardware it was designed for, etc. Emulation has given us gaming experiences we wouldn't have otherwise ( unreleased games, untranslated/non-localized games) and for that I am grateful but when I find something cool in a box at a flea market, I am pumped! :)
It's so simple. It's not the same feeling. Having these old games in your hands again with all the good memories and being able to play them after many years. It's amazing. Emulators are boring. :P
+松萧劲 Precisely. In an ideal world, of course I would love to have a collection of actual cartridges, but collecting is a hobby in itself, which I think is a separate thing from gaming. Some like to play the games, some like to play them and collect them, and (bizarrely) some like to collect them but don't play them. I don't have the time, money or space to amass collections of original games, but I play them on emulators very often. I have compromised somewhat by buying and displaying consoles. I usually buy consoles that don't work but are in cosmetically good shape. I guess some may find that even more pointless than collecting a bunch of games, but I enjoy having them as display pieces.
James Beat I have noticed that James and Mike on Cinemassacre seem to take a lot of pride in playing on "the actual console", but that's easy for them to say - they have a lot of money to spend on whatever they want, and they even get games donated to them. Obviously they will play the real thing if they can even get their hands on a freaking modified Famicom and whatever else. Personally I can abolutely not afford all the games that I would want - a lot of them sell for many hundreds of dollars - and this makes ROMs and emulators directly from the Internet _very_ tempting. Also, from what I have seen on console versions I haven't really noticed any differences between them and their ROMs, it seems to be pretty much exactly the same thing.
Yeah but you paid 50-60 bucks for it back then. Now it cost 150-200 bucks at ebay. You Basically made 90-100 bucks profit. Also, a unopened one cost over 3500 bucks. How much is a emulator worth? Thats right its worth nothing.
I use emulators because some retro games literally coste a fortune to buy. Mega Man 7, for example can cost up to 200$. I ain't paying that much for a game I can beat in a couple of hours. Not to mention if something happens (robbery, house catching on fire) I'm FUCKED! So I'm doing the next best thing: Raspberry Pi with official retro controllers. It's pratically like playing the real consoles.
Haha, the reason you mentioned about 4 minutes in is what I realized a few months ago. I converted my old broken PS2 into a RetroPie machine and added all the games I could possibly want, for every system, to it. I couldn't focus on a single game because it was like a Christmas morning, but completely unspecial. Getting every single game I could ever possibly want to play, and all at the same time, just didn't do it for me, and I haven't played it in a while. Instead, I went and bought a physical copy of one of the GBA games I tried playing on the emulator (Sword of Mana), and have been playing that on my DS Lite. Great game btw. I play emulators sometimes, but mainly for the sake of convenience. I do collect games and systems, but my collection is fine tuned to be only things that I have bought, and played out. Not necessarily beaten the game, but I can gloss over my collection and pick out a random game, and have a connection to it. I think collectors need to feel that physical connection, and a digital copy cheapens it. Side note, it's also the reason I don't bother with digital-download games. Completely unspecial to me, and I don't feel anything from playing it. Strange phenomenon!
I usually don't ever emulate, because I prefer to pay for games because it just makes me feel better, likewise I don't support how some of these obligated gamers think that it is their right to get some of these games when they refuse to buy a console that the game is on (I.E. if someone refuses to buy a Wii U, but want earthbound, that is not a get out free card to download the game for free), also I do not support pirating, at all, I don't care if the game is abandon ware and/or is no longer in circulation for one reason or another, downloading a game for free is still technically pirating it, if that means that I don't get to play some game that is super rare (but also super fun) than so be it, also, just because you already own a copy of the game/ console, does not mean you are able to download that game off the internet with the excuse that it is "a backup copy", the backup copy part of the fair use act only applies if the backup copy of said game was copied off the original format that you bought it on (I.E. cartridge), if you download it off the internet you can still get sued for pirating (it is kind of like if you already have a copy of the last of us and than go to the store and steal a copy of the disk, even though you already own a copy of the last of us you are still getting arrested for stealing a copy of the game).
As far as home consoles in my opinion when people use emulators it loses its charm I guess & I completely understand about collecting games it is a pretty fun hobby but can be expensive at times.
The only time I ever have used an emulator is for DooM 64, because I'm a big DooM fan, and I wasn't gonna buy a whole N64 for 1 game. I MIGHT use it again for really expensive games.
Yo, blame walmart on the bogus ass pressed wood, or maybe blame China! Dont dog the guy for being an "originalist" when it comes to video games.. I love mame, btw.. I dont need cheap ass shelves..
So...how do you feel about buying old games online and playing them on current gen consoles (IE PS1 classics from PSN or SNES games from Wii U Virtual Console)? I myself love playing Chrono Trigger on my PS Vita.
My first year in college my roommates taught me how to pirate games,and boy did I. Soon though it sounds crazy but I lost almost all enjoyment of playing video games. I think a lot of enjoyment comes from actually paying for games. A game is so much more enjoyable when you payed for it with your hard earned cash. Felt bad for what I did so I deleted all the games I pirated and went out and bought them regardless if I liked it or not.
I’ve been playing games since 1988. I’ve never sold a single game (I have donated some stuff but not much). And as time has gone on, I’ve realized that all this “gotta play it on the original hardware man” is just none sense. And there are so many more options than just emulation. Take the GC Loader. Once those ISOs have been loaded and booted up, you literally cannot tell the difference between playing that game vs a disc being in the system. Life is short, money is tight, I just wanna play games. The whole argument of struggling with commitment, that’s just a lack of discipline. I have thousands of games available to me at any moment and guess what? I just pick a game and get going. I still own a ton of physical stuff but as more time goes on, the more I wish I’d just get rid of it all.
I can totally understand why someone would want an authentic console experience, with the game in it's original form, popped into a console, running on a CRT. But I have to say, there seems to be a misconception here. Emulation =/= Pirating Roms. At least, the two don't have to be synonymous. For example, you can rip Gamecube and Wii games to an SD card -using a softmodded Wii- and use the iso files in Dolphin. You can put a PSX or PS2 disc in the disc drive of your computer and use a special program to create an iso image of it. And I bet if you look hard enough, you'll find tools to create ROMs of old cartridge based games. You can collect old video games and still use them in emulators. Emulation is just another way to play your games. I loved playing Metroid Prime on the Wii, and I still do, but now I can play it in 1080p, 60fps in Dolphin. Emulators are far from perfect, but they're an awesome way to re-experience old favorites. Don't dismiss them as means of piracy, because they're really something special!
yea emulators are amazing, especially when some games like Metroid Prime Hunters are emulated so well that they literally look better than Metroid Prime Federation Force does on "superior" hardware.
+sirqua TL;DR I am surprised people are still on this video trying to justify emulation and disagree with Pete's statements. Anyway, here's my two cents on the issue: Overall, I think people are more against ROMs than they are against emulators. I am fine with emulation (have actually used one a couple of times) and even have an R4 to play DS games I normally wouldn't get. Let's be honest here, even if you could find an N64 in mint condition or a Sega Genesis in like new, these machines are like 20 years old. What chance is there of the console still functioning? Although, some people have gotten theirs to work. Even though I am alright with emulators, I am just against ROMS period. The only reason I even downloaded ROMs was due to the fact I couldn't afford any games at the time and it was convenient for me to download them and play it. Now that I am an adult, I have a job and can make money. I can buy any game I want and don't have to use cheap means to play games. Additionally, I don't agree with ROMs because most people use it as a means of not having to play games. Yes, people can download older games and play them using emulators, but now emulation are just being abused. People now are trying to find ways to download newer game ROMs to play, AND NOT HAVE TO PAY THE DEV. I don't know about you, but I like supporting the people who make these games. I buy most of my games off of Uplay, Square Enix store, PSN store, NIS, and sometimes Amazon when there are deals. PC gamers have $1000 to upgrade their PCs, but can't afford games to play them? Sounds like PC gamers are the peasants here, not console gamers. Another reason why I don't prefer emulation is that I enjoy collecting games. All the effort put into the boxart, manuals, and game art envelops the game itself. I swear these days PC gamers care more about FPS, resolutions, and graphics than even what the damn game was about. I can probably think of 10 of the most beautifully designed games that no one gives a shit about. While I am a gamer, I am also a collector. Thus, my point is that I don't do emulation because there's no game collecting involved and that I appreciate the work put into these games.
I feel you don't understand my post. You CAN collect games and enjoy them through emulation. Tools exist to extract roms/isos from your own cartridges and discs. It's just like making backups of your games. If you prefer playing the games in their original form, more power to you. I like busting out my old CRT from time to time too. But I also like seeing new life breathed into older games, and seeing them at a higher graphical fidelity. I heavily urge you to educate yourself on this topic. Physical collections and emulators are NOT mutually exclusive.
Peter I totally agree with you! My parents just don't understand I want an N64 and all of my old games again and they are like "just buy the games on the wii" and I just can't convince them that it's not the same....
No, he doesn't use emulators because he actually enjoys his hobby of collecting games and he can enjoy the full experience of playing a copy of a game he bought with his hard earned money. It is rewarding.
Not sure if this was said, but it's fun to collect things. Some people collect dvd's, some people collect shoes, some collect vinyl records...i mean most people i've know collect something or another, sometimes not even knowing they're collecting. I have a friend whose got a library of books in a room...probably 500 books or more. He never admitted he's 'collecting books' but it's just something he enjoyed, that he had a collection of. I have another buddy that has a garage full of like 1000 tools...guess what he's collecting...and not only collecting stuff, but something he enjoys and uses. Same with video games...it's something that can be collected, used, and enjoyed. Plus it's cool to have a room full of stuff you enjoy, what is the fun in everything being digital...you'd have a empty room if everything was digital think about that. I mean just look at how cool Pete's room looks, you walk in there and you're instantly happy, surrounded by fuckin awesome games. Now walk in a room with a guy who downloads emu on a computer, it's just a fuckin computer on a desk. It's like the difference between walking into a game store and walking into an office of a secretary. Not to mention there's tremendous value in these games, what value is in the digital downloads? i bought a game years ago for $20, played it and didn't want it anymore, sold it on ebay for $100. Can you do that with a download you did 3 years ago, no cause there's no value to your downloads. Pete's probably sitting on 50 thousand dollars right now in that damn room. Does any of this make sense to you? Same reason I don't download movies or music, i like having a laser disc and vhs collection, i like having vinyl it's a different feeling to be able touch the product, turn on your record player, drop that needle on the record and enjoy, it's nothing like downloading and playing a mp3. If you can't wrap your head around what i just said then you won't ever understand and just keep doing what your doing. We can't all like what everyone likes and we have our own way of doing things. Do i use emulators, yes, only on my PSP when i'm on the road and want to play old school games...besides that i use the real deal. here's another example: imagine like playing basketball...you like going to the park and playing ball with friends on a real court. now imagine someone comes to you and says why the hell do you want to drive to the park, waste gas, money, and play with a real ball on a real court with real friends, why not play on my Virtual Reality thingy i have right here. You can have this virtual ball and there's virtual players. You're still playing and getting some excersize so why not give up going to the park and playing ball with real people. Why not just play basketball digitally!!! Right? DERP! because the experience matters dude. it's not all about the end result. the process matters.
You won't use emulators because you want "the authentic experience" and want to play it on "actual hardware" but you do all of your music listening on youtube? Do you see the idiocy in this? Because it's pretty apparent. Music on youtube is heavily compressed and really only vaguely like the original recording. It not only sounds like shit but it's about as unauthentic as you can get. If you can afford to own thousands of games then you can probably afford to spend $50 or less on a decent receiver and speaker setup from a thrift store, and if you get something even halfway decent you will see why music on youtube sounds terrible. If you want to play on original hardware get flashcarts. You can toss a whole system's worth of ROMs on one cartridge and it's 100% identical to popping in the original cartridge. Also, if you're getting viruses downloading ROMs then you really have no one to blame but yourself because you're flat out bad at the internet. ROMs will commonly be found in two forms: some sort of compressed package, like .zip, .rar, .7z, etc, or as the actual file, which using SNES as an example would be .sfc. Don't want viruses? That's easy. Don't download from sketchy websites and don't download packaged ROMs. You're not going to get a virus from Super Mario World (u) [!].sfc, but you might get a virus from SuperMarioWorld.zip.exe. The best antivirus software in the world is called Common Sense 1.0.
What has attracted me to Emulators recently is a string of ebay faulty cartridge purchases for N64 games. The feeling of Christmas morning opening the games turns into disappointment fairly quickly.
What you have to understand is that you have a form of OCD and Hoarding that is focused on games. Others with baseball cards, fossils, insects etc. Most people buy games to PLAY the game and that's it. Most people don't have the resources to look for these obscure outdated games, BUY them, spend HOURS playing them, find space to COLLECT them etc. That's what gets you off and that's fine. Most would rather spend their time elsewhere. BOOOOOMMM!!!
As a game designer, I can say that emulators really HURT the game market. If you buy a game you are supporting the company and telling that company or indie creator "hey, this is worth something! Please make more!" Emulators ARE stealing and the notion that you are "advertising" the game by playing it is simply ridiculous.
Iris Griffin Nonsense. Most people use emulators for obsolete gaming systems like the SNES, and the games are all 15+ years old. The manufactures of those games made their money years ago. I don't think many people use emulators for modern systems because no PC would have the spec to run,say, a PS4 game on an emulator. The 'latest' console that most people seem to play using an emulator is probably the PS1, and that is a 21 year old system.
Stop confusing emulating with piracy. They are two different things, one is legal and the other isn't (well depending on where you live, my country it is a grey area to download; uploading however is definitely illegal).
***** The Wii was being emulated while the Wii still had plenty of active development for it, as did the PSP and the NDS. There is actually studies done on the PSP and NDS that shows that the rise in usable emulators directly correlates with the decrease in sales of software for those systems (this was compounded by the fact that all three of those systems were easily hacked and could play ripped games on).
***** Honestly, I am not going to argue this. You can justify piracy anyway you please, but the fact remains that you are getting something (for free and without consent of the owner) that you are not entitled to. Ability to incur sales doesn't matter (though piracy has been linked to reduced sales, there are lots of statistics on this on various forms of media), it's an issue of entitlement; why should you be allowed to have something that isn't yours? Now I am not going to say don't pirate anything, because honestly, I don't care if you do or don't. Just stop trying to justify something as ethically acceptable when it clearly isn't. It's not yours, just because the owner can't make a profit from it (that argument is becoming increasingly harder to make with things like PSClassics and Virtual Console) doesn't mean you should be allowed to have it for free. Ethicists all around the world agree that digital piracy is wrong, regardless of the copyright holders ability to produce a profit from it. I would have much more respect from someone who just says, "I pirate [Insert Media Here] and I don't care about the law/intellectual property owner." Plus, in today's digital world, I am betting that the vast majority of people pirate media all the time and I am sure some don't even know they are doing it, but that doesn't mean it isn't unethical. Now emulation itself is perfectly fine, there isn't anything illegal or unethical about it. Two different beasts that people blur together.
***** Most empirical peer reviewed studies conclude that piracy does reduce sales to some degree. Now, not to the degree that the music industry (the main research focal point) claims. I know that it isn't theft, hence why I didn't say stolen but instead pirated. There is empirical evidence that it does cause a loss in profits to the intellectual property owner. The focus with a lot of the stories that you are linking to, is the discrepancy between what the entertainment industry is claiming and what is actually found. But, there is a negative effect on profits. Remember if one person pirates it instead of buys it, then they are right. There is a loss of a sale. Do you honestly believe that people only pirate things that they wouldn't buy? Sources: Music file sharing and sales displacement in the iTunes era; Joel Waldfogel. Information Economics and Policy, Volume 22 issue 4 Piracy of digital products: A critical review of the theoretical literature; Martin Peitza & Patrick Waelbroeck. Info Economics and Policy. Vol 18 Is 4
I definitely agree with most if not all of the points made in this video. What I've been doing lately (after years of having all games ever to pick from to download and play) is, I buy the physical copy of a game and _then_ I download the rom for it. I enjoy having the physical copies of the games, and it also makes it a lot easier to go through my physical library and pick out a game I want to play, while also only limiting me to the games I actually know something about. Also I don't have to worry about switching out connections for all the different consoles (which I also actually get before getting an emulator for it) and worrying about damaging either the console or the game. I've seen too many consoles broken, wires torn, disks gouged, and saves lost. Also I like to have even the Japanese versions of games before getting an English patched rom, or have an original game before downloading a rom hack. None of this applies completely to arcade games though. One day I want to get a setup like Metal Jesus with the arcade cabinet that has a PC with MAME inside
first of all emulators preserve video games cause eventually these carts are gonna die, then what?! Also not everybody can afford console after console, game after game, not to mention all the translation's that happen to never come over here from japan that we get to experience. Also a lot of people get into old school games through emulation then start buying the games themselves so i really do not see why it is soo taboo
Exactly. I use emulators to play titles I actually have, so I don't need to risk scratching a CD based game, or constantly opening and closing a Super NES or N64 games. I like to keep my games in mint condition. I also use a DS emulator so I can work out whether I actually like a game before buying it, because there's nothing I hate more than having a shit game in my collection :)
devicat6 you don't understand because it isn't your copyrighted work that is being shared illegally. look at how many dev companies have gone bust in the last 10 years
one question though. How is getting old roms hurting them when the games are from private sellers and not sold anymore....HELL most you cannot even get digitally so please tell me how im hurting the companies here
devicat6 it devalues the IP. this affects how much money a company can get from their copyrighted work through repackages, compilations, and selling the licences. if people are downloading roms the market shrinks for potential future sales
Only thing I disagree with is how you say how games can look obviously emulated, there are emulators out there that aim for 100% accuracy (Or even cycle accuracy), I'm to a fan of playing the game the way the developers intended but instead of spending tons of money on consoles and games that won't even go to the original people who developed the products I can just get an emulator that aims for high accuracy, good example of an emulator being accurate is Mednafen, most people recommend DuckStation for PS1 emulation however DuckStation is far from accurate and is more focused on compatibility & speed, accuracy for DuckStation is kind of low priority, however Mednafen has accuracy as a top priority and is almost undistinguishable from original hardware (Had no issues with it except 1 time it crashed for supposedly no reason)
i totally get what your saying. Spoiling yourself happens so often to me and i get bored of the game because i can just play it whenever. It looses its exclusivity and sparkle. thanks for explaining.
Love and Hate realtionship with Emu's. Wish every game came out on Steam lmao. I like earning my games and buying them on my own. Also like phsyical copies.
This is what nintendo needs to do eventually. Btw, this would exclude games like Goldeneye as they would need permission from Rare and the Bond license.
For me, it's like having a personal museum. I don't have a huge collection of games. I have at the most 30 or 40 games for each system. Some of my systems only have about a dozen games like my small Gamecube collection of only 13 games. But my point is, some of these systems are a part of history, and some of these I grew up with like the Sega Saturn, and Playstation One, as well as owning some of the systems I didn't have the chance of playing or overlooked. I always thought of the Wii as a casual gamer, shovelware console until I bought a used one at Gamestop and starting buying some of the exclusive titles and it's now one of my favorite consoles.
I agree with you Pete. There's just something special about playing on real hardware that can't be recreated with emulators. There's also the sense of achievement from collecting the carts.
Why not both? I collect all the games i like physically but i also like owning complete rom collections+box art+ manuals, mostly for having a complete database of my own without needing to be online. Having complete collections of all systems is useful when i want to, say, compare ports. I'm never going to buy the shitty 3DO or Saturn version of DOOM, but i don't mind having the ISO of it to make my comparisons and see how bad it is. But i do like to own the best Doom games physically, like DOOM 64. Also, emulation allows you to play games in higher resolutions, Dolphin for instance allows you to play Wii and Gamecube games in 1080p or more. So in other words, i do like to have everything in a digital, convenient form but i also like to have the games i really like in physical form.
Oye, I'll end the butthurt people who want to justify their emulation usage and pirating hobby. Pete's a gamer, but he's also a collector. He appreciates all the work put into these games. Most gamers, especially PC gamers, only see the game for what it is: data. "boohoo, my game is laggy or boohoo my FPS is below 30." I've never seen a PC gamer talk about how gorgeous a game looks, even if it isn't graphically impressive. Most PC gamers I know don't appreciate gaming as an art. They only see it objectively, like a science.
May I ask if you still have the statistic/ study for the argument you used: "Most gamers, especially PC gamers, only see the game for what it is: data." (ll. 3-4). I would very much love to see them, as I couldn't find them on the whim!
"justify their emulation usag" In of itself, nothing wrong or immoral about it - as emulators merely simulate hardware. It's how one gets the game that matters.
***** Virtual Console? Live Arcade? PSN? what about things like Sega Genesis Collection? Its not because its old, it free and the original company can make a profit of it.
+Marvin Wilson While the two often overlap, I feel it's important to note that emulation and piracy are not necessarily the same thing. Emulation is legal (though a bit of a grey area for many companies, admittedly) but piracy is not.
When it comes to emulators for me, I have no problem playing games on emulator despite me collecting and purchasing old games to play them physically. For me, I sometimes use emulators to try a game out to see if it's worth the purchase before proceeding to buy a copy of the game, while other times I use it to play games that are otherwise way too expensive for me to afford or for all the fan-translated games and the hacks that people make.
electronics fail. Eventually playing roms will be the only way. I wish we had a way to legally purchase them without drm. We need to get away from the concept of needing a little box or disc for everything we buy. You can literally fit a entire retro game collection on a single dvd now. They have M-Discs that are rated for 1000 years. I can understand wanting original hardware for accuracy but whatever, I would rather play on a pc with a original style controller. Emulators just keep getting better
100% fully agree with you. I feel when you reduce both the value of the games to nothing and their ease of attainability to zero then they become next to worthless in some peoples eye. They download 10000 games on an SD card and then play through each for 5 minutes before moving onto the next. If you actually purchase a game yourself I feel you will be more inclined to play it, give it more of a chance, explore the game and really come to appreciate what the devs went through and what they created. Like imagine if you had a never ending supply of different cars, you would never take the time to really drive, repair, get to know the car and the way it was built etc. Most people are just going to drive a different car every day for the hell of it and not form a connection any of them.
I get what you're saying, however, I think its the difference between love and fetish. I love a lot of games from the snes, ps1/ps2 era. Mostly for nostalgia reasons and through that love (at the time) I happen to have pretty rare stuff only because they were available when they were coming out originally. I've never bought games for their rareness in retrospect, mainly because the hard copy isn't what I love. I love the games, so emulation is perfect for me.
I am huge huge into collecting physical copies of games, but I will be the first to admit I prefer to emulate most of the time. The reason why is because of the convenience for the most part. I don't have a set up where I can have all of my consoles hooked up at once, thus I would have to take the console out of the game room, into the living room hook it up, then do the reverse when I'm done. Whereas I can boot up my emulator and a game within seconds. Not only that, but if you have a decent PC you can increase the native resolution and really make disc based 3D games look so so much better.
I use emulators mainly for Japanese games with English translations, or Rom hacks and mods. This simply cannot be done on the physical console. Another reason that I use emulators is if I want to play the games on the go. So I use emulators on my PSP or phone. Can't exactly put an N64 in my pocket... so yeah. Also, not sure if this is the same thing, but the Sony PSP, with its UMD drive based games, loading times are horrible and the drive makes that annoying sound. So I download the games and play them off the memory stick.
"Why I don't use emulators" People this is his reasons why he doesn't use them. He's not saying "why you shouldn't" He's simply expressing that emulating for him would basically tarnish him as a collector by removing motivation to even bother getting games anymore when he can just emulate em.
Heck if it wasn't for emulation I wouldn't have been able to play many fan translated imports or shit tons of arcade games via MAME. Also with the price of many games going upwards of hundreds and sometimes even thousands that's realistically the only method for some people to experience a game.
Good point Alpha, i totally agree.
Probably the only way I'll get to play Rule of Rose.
Well said!!
Again, Great point….
I do agree with you Alpha, MAME is the thing that is saving alot of money these days when prices are ridiculously high on some games
I completely agree. It just feels so good playing said game on the actual system with the actual cartridge with the actual controller. People that don't get that feeling will never understand
Some people don't have the money to buy the games.
WhiteBoiNiggaz Then, save? Don't have sex irresponsibly? Budget your money? Get a job? Don't do drugs? I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but if someone can't at least spend 30 dollars for a video game or even 10 dollars, then I should just laugh at them.
Maybe if people got off their ass to go look for a job or could just put their hormones on pause, then they wouldn't be living with their mom having to go on child support.
J Lander your kidding right? some of these games cost $100s now. buying games for multiple consoles is incredibly expensive and prices have skyrocketed over the past 5-6 years. look at snatcher and earthbound. used to have 100s of games and like a dozen consoles then i realized this shit is too expensive sold it all for thousands and emulation is a cost effective replacement and allows higher resolution on most post-snes consoles
I understand where your coming from. However my missus would kill me if I had over 100+ systems setup in my house. Then store all the games, wire it all up etc etc etc People emulate for many various reasons.
Love what your doing here and respect the hell out of it. I think some of these self righteous guys making random comments on those who emulate need to maybe think a little harder. In many cases they need to do some research and read the letter of the law a little better :)
Love your love for the games mate, keep up the good work ;)
*you're
EMUALTION 4LIFE!1
Really?
Hell yeah i play the PS1 emulator on my 7 inch Android tablet with the game being rendered at my tablets native resolution, so i can be walking to 7 Eleven while playing FF 7.
thats great hcg. hey do you think u and pete will ever do a video together
Woah! You looking for a drive by downloading, Gansta!?
Emulation is not our fault and Good for us users.. internet is there why not use it?.. if your a collector then emulation is not for you to just play around with.. but if you only want to play games not causing lots of money from Gas to Hardware. then Emulation is there for you.. don't be such a Close minded.. if Developer don't like this, then they would shut those Links down them selves.. if the download button is always there then press it.
i have seen people just throw their things in the garbage because they don't like keeping old video game stuffs and broken consoles so it is a waste..
I used to use Emulators, but once I started collecting both new and old video games, I realised how much more satisfying it was to play it on the console that it was made to be played on, getting the enjoyment in the same way that everybody else did years ago on the same platform just feels amazing. And since realising this, I haven't touched a single emulator, it's not always about which option is the cheapest, sometimes it's just about having more fun.
Well said
emulator is fun?? wtf
yes emulator is fun@@DangusBoom
i agree. as a collector and gamer, physical games just mean more to us.
Snob
@@leeartlee915 why u offended?
@@lord_cobi I’m not really. Truthfully I’m mostly joking. People should game however they wish. But I would add that the primary focus logically should be on gaming, not how the games are accessed.
I use emulators but only due to convenience. 99% of the roms I play, I own a physical copy of anyways, and if I don't own it, but I like it, chances are I'll end up purchasing it for the satisfaction of having it.
3:35 This is the same reason I don't use emulators any more. I think they're great for preserving the history of games and providing access to obscure and rare titles, but having access to virtually everything all at once makes it too hard for me to appreciate them individually.
I always try and justify myself to my friend of why i do this, and you pretty much summed it up. I prefer to have the real game. I feel more immersed in the real game because im playing it how it is meant to be played.
I don't get why people hate emulators:
-60 fps
- better graphics
- cheat engine
- another control support
and the company who made the console/game and it has n't a pshyhical re-release they don't win money for the console/game so everybody wins.
Better graphics?
Not true, original hardware is almost always a better option. Depending on the console you may need to modify it to output RGB. But RGB via a PVM or upscaled through a Framemeister looks much better than any emulators I've tried. That's without even talking about all the glitches you encounter on emulation.
I'd like to disagree here, jim.
An emulator PCSX2 easily lets PS2 games with 1080p+ be played, and you can also use your actual discs for the PS2.
but for the most part, this is correct
+RBLX Zatko Yes fair point the PCSX2 does look great outputting 1080p, but it isn't all plain sailing with the PCSX2, the graphical glitches on some of my favourite ps2 games are so annoying that I'd rather just play it on original hardware + Framemeister. I'm not an emulation hater, far from it but I often find that fine tuning and tweaking settings on emulators can detract from just sitting down and gaming. The Amiga emulator (WINUAE) is a great example of a frustrating emulator!
jimjim150 If you know some eginering/you are a enginer.
Yea dependin on what type of computer you have and how powerful it is by how much gb ram it holds.
Totally agree with you, Pete. Great video dude, keep them coming! I hope you can still have time to make a top ten games for 2013, and what games you bought recently.
I use emulators because I don't have the resources to buy all these consoles and official cartridges/discs, and because eventually these older systems will stop working. I own a SNES and a lot of games for it, some of which are not available as ROMs as far as I know, but it's starting to show signs of wear (e.g. Yoshi's Island freezing and completely resetting all the save data ;n;) and it won't last forever. But this little file on my computer called SNES9x will let me play them for the rest of my life. ouo
That being said, if Nintendo decided to re-manufacture the SNES and reprint the cartridges without changing a single element of the original games, I'd totally stop emulating! X3
+Grace R Thats as likely as Warner Bros releasing complete collection of Looney Tunes cartoons.
Kristjan Birnir Ikr XD :P
Jamison England Hoooooly........wow.
+Stefano Pavone indeed, it's exactly the same as vinyl snobbery.
+Jamison England look at my horse
1. Emulators make swapping and finding games on the fly easier
2. Older games can be upscaled, shaded, filtered, and sustain higher framerates than that on original hardware.
3. Easier to pack up when I need to move.
4. Don't have to own a second building to store everything, nor go to that building to get the games I don't play as much.
5 preservers the software/hardware I have that is physical in my small collection. Puts use on something that can be easily repaired or replaced. I also prefer a computer to a console. Computers are easier to repair and rarely do I need to replace anything but maybe a fan or redo some thermal paste. Also generally easier to clean.
6 Portable gaming digital is so much easier than swapping carts. My phone is all I need thousands of games in my pocket. Just which the controller fit better in my pocket but still a lot less bulk than a modest 3DS library.
I also recommend you get your games from private or protected sites. I personally don't see any desire for physical. That being said I am somewhat a hypocrite in that I am trying to collect as much of the N64 library as I can. Even if an Everdrive is in my future most likely. It was the first system I ever bought with my money and some tragic events took it and than later my games from me. I also have some other consoles and a handful of games but even those as the emulators get batter I am weaning off them.
To each their own, as long as we’re all enjoying the legendary games that filled our childhoods with much happiness
Wow this videos pretty much summed up my exact sentiments. When I first discovered emulation I was so excited. "Holy crap, I can play ALL these games for ALL these systems for FREE!" Then I realized something. I had no motivation to play any of them. I found that games I actually pay for I tend to stay committed to playing them.
I'm not really against emulation per se, but I just love that authenticity of playing the physical game on the physical console.
I agree with you but I'm not rich which is why I have done it. Thanks to emulation, I was able to experience so many games I missed out on and it's amazing. It's impressive but like you said it's overwhelming. Theres so many games and it's hard to commit to one. Actually there are even some games I pay for that I have a hard time completing. I just lose interest or time or something. Or forget about it. However after a bit of time you are able to narrow the choice of games. You are right it's not the same playing a room through an emulator vs using the original hardware. It's better than the original. Nowadays, emulators like Dolphin and PCSX2 look and run amazing on the PC, much more than the games on GC, PS2 and Wii. The resolution is upscaled and there's new textures. The frame rate can go to 60 fps while originally they could only run between 20 and 30fps
This is exactly how I feel.
@@mattm2975 you feel like me or like the OP?
+Antonio Maldonado The OP
@@mattm2975 ah okay
Emulating has become a lot more appealing now that formerly common NES & SNES games are starting to triple and quadruple in price. I used to be a hardcore collector, but after watching my luck dry up and the prices skyrocket, I had to ask myself, is it about the games or about materialism? Guess which way I answered.
The main point that prevented me from falling in love with Emulator gaming was the lack of authenticity when playing the games.
Playing a PSP game through a PC keyboard for instance, or playing a DS game without a stylus.
I can never get my mind past the stage of being completely aware that I am not playing it the way it was meant to be played.
I generally don't use emulators except for MAME. But TEH ROMZ WAREZ is the only way to play most unpublished games, beta versions, hacks, patches etc etc etc. I still play those on real hardware with the Everdrive flashcart family. Did you know that taking a single line of code A SINGLE FRIGGIN' LINE out of the original Sonic the Hedgehog makes the rotation in the bonus stages much smoother? This actually makes the bonus stages more enjoyable for me as I always felt that they gimped it. But I am not going to buy a repro that sacrifices real cart shells just to play something like that.
Really? I wonder why they didn't make it smooth to begin with... I'd be interested to see how it looks after the code has been changed.
Maybe it's not supposed to be smooth. Sega games are HardCore
These people in the comments who emulate literally cannot afford most things. And that's ok, having fun is not only reserved for well off people. Everyone deserves to have fun.
lol. if you dont want to spend and exobitant amount of money for 20-30 years old videogames, doesn't automatically mean that you can not afford it. Its is simply unreasonable to do so.
trust me...we can afford it...we just spend that money on other hobbies that we cannot download. lol
@@000hero6 20 and 30 year old video games still hold value. If you want nice things it's going to cost you. That's how things work in North America. Don't know where you're from but you've got to earn it here in the States.
@@jameswiggle If you can afford it stop crying
@@DominiqueDeMann "if you want..." if you want to have a virgin-museum at home, you can buy all the games you ever wanted to play. But if your only goal is to play these games, emulation makes much more sense. You have to earn it everywhere in the world, even in Africa.
There's less mental investment into a game when it's on a list that you can click and access. There's definitely a sort of physical ritual of seeing a proud collection, preparing yourself, taking it off the shelf or out of the box and placing it into the machine. A much more tangible experience that feels more meaningful and distinct as opposed to selecting a game on an emulator and playing away.
There's also different rules that apply to emulation gameplay. Save states and the like make the game so accessible challenge is taken away from the equation even though it's an option. After stopping collecting and dipping into emulation I can say without a shred of doubt the experience is different. Not necessarily lesser, but different.
I totally understand why you don't use emulators and that's fine you do you. But the sad thing about older games is how flash memory works. Eventually after a game on flash has been played to many times the flash memory essentially dies and all the data is lost. That's why a lot of collectors use emulators to play their games. Emulators lets you enjoy the game without slowly reducing the life span of the physical copy itself because what the point of owning the original version if the cartridge itself doesn't contain the data for the game anymore. Then it's just a show piece in a collection and not really what it once was. So emulators let you play these great games as much as you want and you don't pull out the hardware every time you just feel like playing. You pull out the hardware for those special occasions.
I use emulators cause I have better uses for my money:
1- Feed and take care of my family
2- Pay the bills so we don't end up on the street
3- Keep on saving some of it in a piggy bank so both my daughters can have a good education
I'm not saying I don't understand you collector's point of view, cause I do, I have a game collection aswell (PS3), some are from friends that know about it and give them to me when they don't want them anymore, most of them are second hand games, good but pretty cheap when I got them and I maybe buy, what, 3 games a year, I would buy more but, hey, priorities. I do agree, it feels much better to play on the console, it feels real but who cares, people use whatever they want or are able to get their hands on, the important thing is we are enjoying our games =)
So a lack of money means you are entitled to something that isn't yours?
Interesting...
Wade Schipprack No, the actual makers of these games don't make money of these games anymore. Piracy is something else, especially of modern games. I used to pirate every game because I just couldn't dish out 60 dollars every time a good game comes out, but since I switched to pc gaming and use steam I haven't pirated anything in a long time.
Mario Zand What does any of that have to do with my statement?
plitas A bit dramatic, and unfortunate you are dollars away from being in the street, but good priorities/ parenting nonetheless.
Wade Schipprack Who do you hurt by emulating old games?
PeteDorr brings up a good point about being cautious nowadays when downloading emulators and music, shit always has lag problems or viruses. When you want to eat food that's fresh and/or healthier, you gotta pay more.
However, I totally understand that prices for these items are ridiculous...guess the REAL problem is choice...
Hear, hear. It's the same for me, emulators just are too easy, if you have everything available at the click of a button, you really don't give the games the attention they deserve.
Not to mention the controls and overall feel when you're playing.
I could honestly say the same for collectors though. There is always a next game to purchase and not usually enough time to appreciate the latest purchase.
Bullshit.
@GamingVegabond It's sad, but true
So you don't use Steam ether?
WhnNinjasAttack If you are asking me, no I don't use Steam.
I love having a shelf that i can pluck a game from. It's just so nice to pick up and look at a physical copy.
Emulation of older games has become really good, but GC, PS2 era games are notoriously difficult to emulate properly. A physical copy is a must.
+Dylan W (Ishmael) I've never had a problem running GC and PS2 games on PC. If you have the latest version of the emulator and a decent pc you'll have no issues at all.
+Dylan W (Ishmael) These days, PCSX2 + Dolphin on any halfway decent PC will have the game looking and sounding better than it ever could on the original hardware. I just don't have space to keep a CRT around so my Wii and PS2 games don't look like shit :p
Of course, PS3 and 360-era games will probably never be emulated, or at least not within this decade (and probably next).
I can understand your enjoyment of buying a real copy, it's like how I feel, a 15 year old, saving up for something I want and buying it with my hard earned money, if my parents offer to buy the thing for me I refuse because even buying something that would cost 50 cent fills me with such pride and happiness.
But I use emulators mostly because like I've said previously, I'm 15, I can't get a gamecube I would but I'm literally not allowed because I already own a laptop, ps4 and a switch and I'm not a spoilt rich kid because I own a laptop and two consoles at 15 (ps4 is actually my dad's I just use it, laptop is the only expensive thing I wss given, I bought that switch myself with a little help from my little sister by saving) anyways I'm rambling I only started emulating yesterday and it's amazing to finally play the classics, the games that were father and uncles and aunts childhoods, I totally would buy the real thing if I could because let's be honest, those things look so cool on a shelf (and they run better, this is laggy as hell xD which is obviously my computers fault)
I also plan on saving up for a switch (lite), what a coincidence.
@@iProgramInCpp hell yeah dude
i got a wii u (deluxe version) instead cause they r stupid cheap where i live and the games are REALLY good for their prices.
@@ysn078 yeah I had one of those, they're super fun
I understand your excitement at having a physical copy, if I PAY for a game I'm going to finish it, if everything was free I would never finish a game
I like having hard copies, but Emulating games on a portable console makes it easier to play them anywhere. Honestly, I don't like emulating much, but playing Star Fox 64 on my PSP anywhere does tickle my fancy.
I recently decided to import an Australian 2DS XL to not only play foreign exclusives like Inazuma Eleven but also to incentivize myself to start keeping my games & fight the impulse of trading in games.
If the games aren't NTSC/US, I'll feel not only more committed to them, but I'd also feel like I have a collectors item naturally cuz it's a "rare" game.
I can relate to your whole perspective on emulators. In High School, I used to mod PSP's & PS2's for classmates. It was a very lucrative business.
But with the ability to play any game I wanted...I lost the thrill of playing a brand new game cuz I had too many options. I never had the focus to appreciate the game cuz I didn't work for it.
I think the reason we love games from our childhood so much is because we couldn't play everything...so we had to make a choice & get the most out of that one game.
I miss those days....
Didn't know you were a Blind Guardian fan Pete. Check out Letzte Instanz and Schandmaul if you get the chance.
One thing you missed about emulators is that they can and in many cases are superior to playing games on the actual system from a technical standpoint. You can use filters to make the game look better, it can load faster, and you can make SD games HD.
I don't really use emulators much these days, but I will use them for older handhelds. I have a lot of trouble going back and playing anything Pre-DS and honestly even the original PSP. The tiny/terrible screens annoy me after being spoiled by the Vita and 3DS XL, so emulation let's me enjoy those games a lot more.
I hear you about handhelds. I got a 3DS XL a bit over a year ago and love the thing. There is some GBA games I have such as Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and Tactics Ogre the Knight of Lodis that I really thought I should play. I dug my old original un backlit GBA out, found some AA batteries, and fired it up. Not only was the screen incredibly small, I could barely make out what was going on even with a lamp right next to me. Then I realized why I never really got big into handhelds until the DS and 3DS. So I busted out visualboy advance and plan on playing both of those as well as a fan translated patched Mother 3.
Andrew Phillips I have been really into handhelds since the GBC and the older handhelds never really bothered me. Sure, the lighting sucked for a long time, but there was really nothing better so you learned to play near a lamp and deal with it. I can admit that I have just simply been spoiled by the new handhelds lol. My eyes have adjusted to the advanced lighting, bigger screens, and much higher resolution. The Vita and 3DS/DS XL took handhelds to a completely different level. Once you go big you can't go back ;).
TriforceRich Yeah it is all relative. Kind of like going back to a standard definition TV after becoming accustomed to an HDTV. Thing about my GBA is I think there might be something wrong with it, as I knew it would be a step back, but how it is now like I said with a lamp right next to me I can still hardly see whats going on. It couldn't have been that bad.
Andrew Phillips It could be, but honestly the lighting on the original GBA is terrible. It's why they came out with that lamp add on back in the day. I really think it's just our eyes adjusting to something new and it being difficult to adapt back to something so inferior. I don't mind playing older games by any means, so it isn't a case of either of us being some sort of graphic whore.
I remember getting the original psp when it launched and thinking how amazing it looked. Now I have a PSP-3000 and I really can't play that thing after the Vita. Luckily, I only have a few PSP games left to play before the system is shelved for good.
TriforceRich Yeah I notice I can still tolerate the PSP. I don't have a Vita yet. But, even going from 3DS back to PSP it takes a bit of adjustment. However, I have 10+ PSP games in the backlog that I need to get around to playing, mostly lengthy JRPGs.
I understand where you're coming from, Pete. But emulation actually got me back into retro collecting. I used to download roms for snes and genesis. In the end I started collecting again and now I collect physical versions. I will on ocassion use a rom to test a game before I buy. I think for really expensive things like MUSHA and Alien Soldier it's fine.
I don't think you would be saying these things if you weren't wealthy.
If you have the means to buy the insane number of physical games that you have, I could see how you could prefer having the physical object, getting to see it in your hands for the first time. But for anyone on a budget emulation is the way to go. GameCube and DS emulation has some problems, but from what I've seen, PS2+PSP and everything else earlier works just fine aside from some very specific games. And for many of those, you are afforded the option of rendering the games at a higher resolution. If you've seen the high res DS rendering, you'll be shocked by the detail of the 3D models that were just destroyed by the system's native resolution. It's not mandatory, but it's there if you want it, and at the very least increased anti-aliasing can go a long way improving the fidelity while still keeping the aesthetic of the original game. And while a few have framerate issues, many more have a framerate advantage. Some emulated PSP and Wii games will even run at 120FPS if you have a 120Hz display. The actual game on the actual console LOOKS LIKE SHIT in comparison. Its not even vaguely up to preference. The difference is insane, and it looks beautiful.
On PC if you know what you are doing, you can basically use any controller, for any game. The real controller, or your favorite controller, any work as long as they have enough buttons and analog movement for games that require it.
I think because you have a large amount of disposable income, it has allowed you to like collecting and nostalgia, more than video games themselves. And that's totally fine, but someone that cares about video games as an art form above all else, wouldn't be so obsessed with buying and owning the physical medium. It's the same thing with record collectors who care more about owning rare valuable black discs than the music contained on them. You can totally enjoy both, but the fact that you sort of ignore PC gaming where all of the games are digital, and what you said in this video, makes me believe you care about the collection side of things more than the actual games.
I am just a teen and I can't buy everything, but I do feel the same way Pete does. Sure I slip up sometimes and buy digital or play PS1 games on Dreamcast/PS3. I am sure Pete has slipped up, too.
Great video. I wish you made this video about 5 years ago. I use emulators and have every snes, genesis, turbografx, neo-geo, mame, etc... and what you said about having everything available and skipping games and overload is so true. I regret it alot, even I regret mame too.
I also am very impulsive and have over 1500 games on Steam, but don't appreciate them as much because I accumulated them so quickly. The games I appreciate more is on my ps4, xbone, and wiiu because I only have a few on each, so I value them more.
Since emu's can load the actual CD, I usually play my ps1 games through an emulator to enhance the graphics. That way I can enjoy collecting black label physical copies as well having a better visual experience.
Hey man. I noticed your Blind Guardian t-shirt and wondered if you're into any other metal bands?
ChernovFan100 yeah i would like to know as well
+ChernovFan100 i want to know if he's into metal at all
LMAO! Who in the hell is afraid of the internet? Dude, it’s not that complicated to avoid getting viruses. And hell, even if you do, life is all about risk. I think it’s quite stupid to either a) spend ungodly amounts of time finding the games you want or b) spending absurd amounts of money for old games. I’ve spent enough money on SNES games when it was new. I’m not paying some loser out of Florida $600 to play a Earthbound. The internet is gross place that is trying to destroy our society but one thing that it is awesome for is getting digital content. If you aren’t capitalizing on that, I think it’s just foolish.
You can say the same for Comic books or Cards, like it or not these material things have value. I honestly think you just don't have the $600 for Earthbound, you mentioned that specifically because deep down inside you really want it lol
@@DominiqueDeMann > *you mentioned that specifically because deep down inside you really want it lol*
Projection much?
@@gondoravalon7540 No, I have it
for someone who looks like a nerd..he is not that smart
Is not just "feel", PS1 games look better on a CRT and most emulators are still problematic. Mednafen works pretty well but it doesn't come with the CRT-Hyllian filter, which i love. The audio in ePSXe has improved a lot, the reverb effect is pretty close to the real thing, but there are still problems with audio crackling and stuff like that. Scaling also doesn't work great with most games of that era, 3D scales fine, but 2D elements like menus usually present glitches.
I have a small collection of GB/GBA games and I prefer to play them on a GBA SP, there's no need for filtering, everything looks crisp, the games look better on a small screen because of the low vertical resolution. With SNES I don't mind emulating, the games look good on big screens and physicals copies are pretty expensive anyway.
It's not black or white, also part of the fun is finding games on Ebay, trading, organising...
I use emulators because channels like these make older games so ridiculously expensive.
I appreciate all the recommendations for each console but I don't intend on paying over $150 for any game any time soon.
Akyde dude that's not the point of this video and great channels like his do not raise game prices. That's a pretty ignorant assumption
Do you really think those prices aren't affected by "Top 10" videos that always get up to 300000+ views praising already hard to find games? You can watch eBay listings quickly disappear on previously unknown titles when a big name reviewer puts word out about it. These videos are what sell old games, but we're not dealing with an unlimited supply so people raise the price like crazy. This isn't anything new.
Akyde but personally Pete rarely does that or if he does I don't think he's trying to. He just talks about games
Getting old school games are getting easy now a days. You can buy them cheap digitally via PSN, Virtual Console etc. No excuse to use emulators unless your cheap I personaly use them to record and it's legal to use them if you own the game so I emulate games I already own to record them for TH-cam.
+HuskyZ If you play on PSN or Virtual console you are playing an emulator. Not hating on it though. I've spent thousands collection NES and SNES cartridges, but they sit on a shelf and I play the games on emulators with Maximus Arcade hooked up to a CRT television. Switching between my NES and the emulator on a composite switch I can tell no difference in the picture or sound. I choose to own the original hardware now because I'm an adult with my own business and great income, but emulators were a godsend when I was younger. My best memory of Zelda Link to the Past was on an emulator 12 years ago. That's how I first experienced that game. Same goes for Ocarina of TIme. Now I own the cartridges thanks to the appreciation I developed on the emulator.
Flash carts are also vital to my collecting. That way my expensive carts can be on the shelf for display and not getting wear and tear.
The point is, retro gamers have an awesome variety of choices to enjoy the games and I think it's great. I also think emulation is the key to all these games staying relevant 50 years from now. I'm 32, and these old games aren't old to me. But thanks to emulation, I see 14 year olds on youtube praising these old games. I guarantee you emulation was how they first experienced them. Someday all those original carts are going to have their data corrupted and emulation and flash carts will be the only way to play them.
If you have problem with viruses you do not have a good antivirus.Gazillions of people downloading things on daily basis and still never crash their computers for a years.
There isn't even gazillion people in the world and I dont think its a number if it is I'm dumb
Anime is The best
Here it is directly from google:
gazillion
ɡəˈzɪljən/
number
North American informal
noun: gazillion; plural noun: gazillions; noun: kazillion; plural noun: kazillions
a very large number or quantity (used for emphasis).
"gazillions of books"
Then I'm dumb
Anime is The best You`re not dumb bro,just use google a little more often for learning.You now know. ;)
+Dado Simic goteem
Weird. You happened to mention the ONE game I emulated recently and one of my top most wanted games... E.V.O. - Search for Eden. I definitely am a collector and want physical copies of games if I can help it. E.V.O. was one of the FEW exceptions and the one time I was grateful just to be able to play a game, even if I didn't own a physical copy. Great Vid!!
"I don't want to have access to all the games because I would have access to too much and be spoiled by choice" says the guy with 1000+ game behind him. What?
+Travis Holmes But the ones that he still buys are earned, not just "Oh that game looks okay, I will download and try it out" it is much more casuual then, i spent $60, I must play this
@@bobsaget9894 Exactly!
I'm the opposite personally, games to me are just bits and bytes, and emulation has been a lot more convenient and beneficial than playing on the actual cart. I was doing the collecting thing for a while but I've just lost interest in it, and with the gaming bubble going on lately with the insanity of the prices, I don't want to activity contribute to that bubble getting bigger in any way.
I'm not opposed to paying for games via emulation, but Nintendo doesn't exactly make Virtual Console an appealing way to go about it. My complaints with Virtual Console is the pricing for a lot of games is too high, it lacks most of the extra features that PC and Mobile emulators do, the game selection is pretty limited at times, and there is no ownership from platform to platform. Why can't I buy a NES game on Wii U and play it on my 3DS or Wii without paying again and without any avenue to transfer saves?
And something you might consider Pete would be a flash cart, it will allow you to play on the original hardware with a game selection screen for roms, maybe something to consider for rom hacks, translated games, games that are virtually impossible to find, etc. And there are controllers and/or controller adapters that will work on PCs and such for emulation for people that must have the original controller experience, though for consoles that use analog sticks like N64, it can be pretty tricky to get the analog sticks setup good.
I'm sorry dude but your reason for disliking emulators makes you sound like you're not a gamer at all, to me emulation is like borrowing a game from a friend, I play it, if I like it I'll keep going and finish it, if I really like it I'll buy the physical copy. you're just a collector my friend
The way you got this out was a very intelligent argument. It's basically the same reason I only pay for the streams and boxsets/dvds of anime. Awesome videos.
I feel like my hand was forced. I remember one of the first things I did as a kid online was sign a petition for Square to release FF5 in the US when it would have been a normal SNES era release before FF6. Of course that didn't happen. At somepoint they released it on the PS1...but serveral years later and I ended up buying it, but that made me wonder, what ELSE didn't we get? Then I learned all the dark arts, and of course once you go to the dark side, you can't go back...anyway I feel like although pirating for profit should be smashed and pirating for free should be discouraged, but if you sit around waiting to localize stuff for months and years, you reap what you sow. I don't think we'd have netflix, crunchy roll, steam, or Itunes or any of the other convient and cheaper methods of getting media without the constant threat of piracy.
Frank Johnson I think we'd still have some of these things but the business models would be more expensive so I think piracy helps even if it isn't a really good thing to say.
emulation and soft moding is the way to go. I must say I did this for the majority of the DS era and while I do regret missing out on owning and supporting some of the games I loved- they still sold well, and once we got rom patching, we could do more with our games cause of action replay and rom hacking- which expand the games to a whole new level- I just figured out how to play as meta knight in boss rush mode in kirby: nightmare in dreamland (using what the game never did, the L/R buttons), or challenge packs for heart gold/soul silver and to me it gives the game replay ability tremdonously
can I get that from buying the game only? hell no! plus think of all the games we miss in NA for not being localized
I'm a vinyl record collector, for me buying music on vinyl is like having your cake and eating it! The only one gripe i have is having to get up and change the record every 5 minuits, and it can be very tiresome if a friend asks for a tune and i have to search through about 500 Vinyl to find it!
My brother and I had our Nintendo 64 break in 2012 and, we tried playing it together on an emulator but couldn't get multiplayer to work so we got another n64 and played together and it worked!
One of the reasons I don’t play emulators is because they always malfunction in someway and it just feels off and it feels like you’re just renting it.
This is an interesting subject. I´ve gone from being a full pirate when I was 12 years old to now mostly playing the real games on the real console. It was a big change yes, but things have changed a lot over the years. Back when I was 12 I played gameboy color and gameboy advance roms all the time but that compelled me to eventually buy a gameboy advance (my second console ever after N64). I pretty much bought all the GBA and GBC games I pirated when I was younger eventually when I had the GBA, mostly new titles but some I got used. There is a much better feeling playing the real games than emulating them, especially when the games and systems are cheap.
I just bought a PS2 in 2013 and a PS1 in 2014, so it is never to late to dig into older games that you missed. I have a pretty reasonable collection for PS2 games (around 40 total, more than even the gamecube) and around 8 PS1 games. I also have a PS2 (another one) that reads burned DVD games so I have that for the expensive and hard to find PS2 games if I can´t pay for them. But now I am a profesional and once I find a job in my field again I will continue to keep buying the real instead of pirating. This is the reason why I´ve never bothered with the SNES, its too expensive and I have a huge backlog of games as it is, never finished a single game on that console (even through emulation). I´ve mostly resorted to getting ports on alternate consoles instead (many were released on the PS1, GBA and other consoles).
i like the physical edition much better than a steam download, just looks good in the shelf :P
+jimpan99 on pc, digital is the only way to go...
+jimpan99 me too i hate digital game i have 780ti and old dvd cuz i love box sorry im french im bad but have nice day i still buy my game from amazon.ca never on steam
DpoProductions i have 3 physical editions for pc, even though it just have a steam code in it, it's nice. Yeah digital has unfortunately been the way to go for me because of the steam sales :S
alex bket have a nice day you too :)
jimpan99 well for stuff like fallout4 i got the special ed, and nowadays most come with codes, but yea.
Everyone could have the opportunity to play physical copies if "collectors" (hoarders) didn't drive up the price and let the games sit on their shelves to show off on their TH-cam channels. Ten years ago you could buy Earthbound for 100$, 5 years ago it was 250$, now it's 500$ because every retro gaming collector on TH-cam with almost literal mountains of games has a copy collecting dust on a shelf. I've always wanted a copy but that's a ridiculous price so I happily PLAYED the game through an emulator and then happily paid for the game for a reasonable price when Nintendo gave me the opportunity on Virtual Console. Now i'm gonna go play Snatcher for Sega CD on my Wii through a CRT monitor for free and you can spend 600$ buying it from another "collector" (scalper).
If you want to buy a physical copy of a game that's fine, if you want to use an emulator that's fine too. As for me I like to own the physical copy of the game. I'm not rich, I just know how to shop. When I have an interest in a game I first watch some gameplay footage, then find out the games length ($60 for a 4-6 hour game to me is not worth it), I'm a patient person so I can wait for a good sale in store or on ebay and amazon. Also please don't let some 1-10 score from a review or the graphics be the judge if you should get the game or not. Have a great weekend everyone :)
This may have been the most pleasant and friendly comment I've ever read on TH-cam.
I prefer the real thing, I like to have the box/case, manual etc, and to play it on the original hardware. I can't really enjoy using emu's on my computer, I find it hard to hold my attention on them, because when I'm on my computer I just like to browse online.
I think emulation is great though as it preserves all of the classic games.
1. I enjoy collecting games
A: You can put those discs in your PC and play them. You can still collect all your games.
2. I miss the enjoyment of playing it on my TV with the original controller.
A: You can do that with a PC. Get a $2 adapter. You can play on any display with PC, even a projector or a CRTV if you want.
3.Physical collection
A: You can still do that, I use physical discs and cartridges on PC.
3.Having too many games means I wont play them.
A: Buy your own games and not pirate them then. Is that really that hard?
4. Downloading games.
A: Don't do it then...
You can literally do all these things on a PC... all of it. Except for playing them on the actual console.
Other than that they can be exactly the same and you can even enhance them visually if you want.
You can even play your games in virtual reality if you want to.
*****
no Idea what you're talking about dude... not in my 30's either.
I love your earnestness.
This is quite an old video so I would normally refrain from commenting, but I think the subject is always in the spotlight. I favour emulation for convenience and avoid hoarding. I basically play roms on my wii u or 3ds which itself also offers roms via virtual console, but with a façade of legitimacy for those who cares about these things. Emulation has come to a point which is the de facto more convenient option since its practically 1:1 these days. I like that you dont try to justify your preference based on a technical point but realizes it is a matter of feeling. Your passion is also what makes your channel so fun to watch.
Oh please, I am not paying $600 for the privilege of playing Chrono Trigger on original hardware. You people that scoff and look down on people who emulate are nothing but elitists.
You know what’s really funny? Most of the collectors on youtube (e.g. Metal Jesus Rocks) they all play games on Everdrives on optical SD readers. So they have these HUGE physical collections but don’t even bother to use them. Why? Because it’s a pain in the ass to put the games in (or they are afraid of wearing stuff down).
@@leeartlee915 Yep. So congrats to them for collecting useless mountains of plastic and cardboard, I guess?
@@mr.horseshoe2301 Basically, yeah. It’s like they are holding onto their youth in a really, really weird way.
Deep down inside you really want a physical version of Chrono Trigger why mention that game specifically any otherwise. It's ok if you can't afford it, that's not a bad thing. And I'm pretty sure Chrono Trigger doesn't cost $600
@DominiqueDeMann bro ur so upset people aren't dumb enough like you to keep holding onto shitty physical media that wears down each time you put it in and out.
I think for me personally, I notice a correlation between the anti-digital media, and anti-emulators. I had discussions with a lot of people who seem to hate both. When I was younger, I had a completely different stance on the issue than I do now. I used to collect rare games and enjoy the aesthetics of owning a large library of physical copies. As I got older, I realized that it's somewhat childish to try to pile a gaming collection to the sky under the pretense of being a hardcore gamer when there is a limit to the physical space one person can have, and with the advent of digital media. I was against the PSP Go at first as well as tablets and phones becoming gaming devices. As time went on, I began to see the practicality of it. I now own a crapload of the vintage games I love to play, condensed on emulation devices. I am very old-school and must have classical controls to these games, but that isn't an issue as there are devices and controllers available that emulate the system layouts. It's a matter of opinion, but to me, making the transition from being a physical collector to being a digital one is a matter of maturity, that only some people experience. People have different situations. I have a lot of responsibilities, and can't afford to have a room piled to the ceiling with games. Some people my age, still live at home, or are very free bachelors, and remain encased in the same world they knew at 17. Nothing against them, but they have a different perspective, not the superior one.
I haven't even got an antivirus installed at the moment, and haven't done on this system for about 3 months, I just know where to get things, and know what not to click ;).
I understand 100%. I worked in museums for many years cataloguing artefacts. I thought it was great to display repros (medals, uniforms- I worked in a military museum) when we needed it for rare items to support the story we were trying to tell in our exhibits if we didn't have a specific piece in the collection, but I would rather we acquire the original items eventually if possible. I feel the same way about games. Emulation is great for preservation because sure, these carts and discs can't last forever. But I love collecting (old) games and having the whole experience with the hardware it was designed for, etc. Emulation has given us gaming experiences we wouldn't have otherwise ( unreleased games, untranslated/non-localized games) and for that I am grateful but when I find something cool in a box at a flea market, I am pumped! :)
It's so simple. It's not the same feeling. Having these old games in your hands again with all the good memories and being able to play them after many years. It's amazing. Emulators are boring. :P
exactly. I like the idea of having them in my hands but life is life and i need the money for adult things. simple as.
emulators are awesome if you're a programmer man... trust me ;)
+松萧劲 Precisely.
In an ideal world, of course I would love to have a collection of actual cartridges, but collecting is a hobby in itself, which I think is a separate thing from gaming.
Some like to play the games, some like to play them and collect them, and (bizarrely) some like to collect them but don't play them.
I don't have the time, money or space to amass collections of original games, but I play them on emulators very often.
I have compromised somewhat by buying and displaying consoles.
I usually buy consoles that don't work but are in cosmetically good shape.
I guess some may find that even more pointless than collecting a bunch of games, but I enjoy having them as display pieces.
James Beat
I have noticed that James and Mike on Cinemassacre seem to take a lot of pride in playing on "the actual console", but that's easy for them to say - they have a lot of money to spend on whatever they want, and they even get games donated to them.
Obviously they will play the real thing if they can even get their hands on a freaking modified Famicom and whatever else.
Personally I can abolutely not afford all the games that I would want - a lot of them sell for many hundreds of dollars - and this makes ROMs and emulators directly from the Internet _very_ tempting.
Also, from what I have seen on console versions I haven't really noticed any differences between them and their ROMs, it seems to be pretty much exactly the same thing.
Yeah but you paid 50-60 bucks for it back then. Now it cost 150-200 bucks at ebay. You Basically made 90-100 bucks profit. Also, a unopened one cost over 3500 bucks. How much is a emulator worth? Thats right its worth nothing.
That Megaman statue kicks ass. I'm getting the helmet in November.
I use emulators because some retro games literally coste a fortune to buy. Mega Man 7, for example can cost up to 200$. I ain't paying that much for a game I can beat in a couple of hours. Not to mention if something happens (robbery, house catching on fire) I'm FUCKED!
So I'm doing the next best thing: Raspberry Pi with official retro controllers. It's pratically like playing the real consoles.
Haha, the reason you mentioned about 4 minutes in is what I realized a few months ago. I converted my old broken PS2 into a RetroPie machine and added all the games I could possibly want, for every system, to it. I couldn't focus on a single game because it was like a Christmas morning, but completely unspecial. Getting every single game I could ever possibly want to play, and all at the same time, just didn't do it for me, and I haven't played it in a while. Instead, I went and bought a physical copy of one of the GBA games I tried playing on the emulator (Sword of Mana), and have been playing that on my DS Lite. Great game btw.
I play emulators sometimes, but mainly for the sake of convenience. I do collect games and systems, but my collection is fine tuned to be only things that I have bought, and played out. Not necessarily beaten the game, but I can gloss over my collection and pick out a random game, and have a connection to it. I think collectors need to feel that physical connection, and a digital copy cheapens it.
Side note, it's also the reason I don't bother with digital-download games. Completely unspecial to me, and I don't feel anything from playing it. Strange phenomenon!
I usually don't ever emulate, because I prefer to pay for games because it just makes me feel better, likewise I don't support how some of these obligated gamers think that it is their right to get some of these games when they refuse to buy a console that the game is on (I.E. if someone refuses to buy a Wii U, but want earthbound, that is not a get out free card to download the game for free), also I do not support pirating, at all, I don't care if the game is abandon ware and/or is no longer in circulation for one reason or another, downloading a game for free is still technically pirating it, if that means that I don't get to play some game that is super rare (but also super fun) than so be it, also, just because you already own a copy of the game/ console, does not mean you are able to download that game off the internet with the excuse that it is "a backup copy", the backup copy part of the fair use act only applies if the backup copy of said game was copied off the original format that you bought it on (I.E. cartridge), if you download it off the internet you can still get sued for pirating (it is kind of like if you already have a copy of the last of us and than go to the store and steal a copy of the disk, even though you already own a copy of the last of us you are still getting arrested for stealing a copy of the game).
I agree with you completely. I also don't purchase any digital downloads, physical media is all I want.
As far as home consoles in my opinion when people use emulators it loses its charm I guess & I completely understand about collecting games it is a pretty fun hobby but can be expensive at times.
The only time I ever have used an emulator is for DooM 64, because I'm a big DooM fan, and I wasn't gonna buy a whole N64 for 1 game. I MIGHT use it again for really expensive games.
Your cheap ass shelves are warping and ruining your "investment."
Yo, blame walmart on the bogus ass pressed wood, or maybe blame China!
Dont dog the guy for being an "originalist" when it comes to video games..
I love mame, btw.. I dont need cheap ass shelves..
@@stevenwheat3621 no he bought that cheap trash, that's on him. Like just build your own shelves its not even hard and costs less.
So...how do you feel about buying old games online and playing them on current gen consoles (IE PS1 classics from PSN or SNES games from Wii U Virtual Console)?
I myself love playing Chrono Trigger on my PS Vita.
My first year in college my roommates taught me how to pirate games,and boy did I. Soon though it sounds crazy but I lost almost all enjoyment of playing video games. I think a lot of enjoyment comes from actually paying for games. A game is so much more enjoyable when you payed for it with your hard earned cash. Felt bad for what I did so I deleted all the games I pirated and went out and bought them regardless if I liked it or not.
I’ve been playing games since 1988. I’ve never sold a single game (I have donated some stuff but not much). And as time has gone on, I’ve realized that all this “gotta play it on the original hardware man” is just none sense. And there are so many more options than just emulation. Take the GC Loader. Once those ISOs have been loaded and booted up, you literally cannot tell the difference between playing that game vs a disc being in the system. Life is short, money is tight, I just wanna play games. The whole argument of struggling with commitment, that’s just a lack of discipline. I have thousands of games available to me at any moment and guess what? I just pick a game and get going. I still own a ton of physical stuff but as more time goes on, the more I wish I’d just get rid of it all.
This is an obvious false statement
I can totally understand why someone would want an authentic console experience, with the game in it's original form, popped into a console, running on a CRT.
But I have to say, there seems to be a misconception here. Emulation =/= Pirating Roms. At least, the two don't have to be synonymous. For example, you can rip Gamecube and Wii games to an SD card -using a softmodded Wii- and use the iso files in Dolphin. You can put a PSX or PS2 disc in the disc drive of your computer and use a special program to create an iso image of it. And I bet if you look hard enough, you'll find tools to create ROMs of old cartridge based games. You can collect old video games and still use them in emulators.
Emulation is just another way to play your games. I loved playing Metroid Prime on the Wii, and I still do, but now I can play it in 1080p, 60fps in Dolphin. Emulators are far from perfect, but they're an awesome way to re-experience old favorites. Don't dismiss them as means of piracy, because they're really something special!
yea emulators are amazing, especially when some games like Metroid Prime Hunters are emulated so well that they literally look better than Metroid Prime Federation Force does on "superior" hardware.
+sirqua
TL;DR
I am surprised people are still on this video trying to justify emulation and disagree with Pete's statements. Anyway, here's my two cents on the issue:
Overall, I think people are more against ROMs than they are against emulators. I am fine with emulation (have actually used one a couple of times) and even have an R4 to play DS games I normally wouldn't get. Let's be honest here, even if you could find an N64 in mint condition or a Sega Genesis in like new, these machines are like 20 years old. What chance is there of the console still functioning? Although, some people have gotten theirs to work.
Even though I am alright with emulators, I am just against ROMS period. The only reason I even downloaded ROMs was due to the fact I couldn't afford any games at the time and it was convenient for me to download them and play it. Now that I am an adult, I have a job and can make money. I can buy any game I want and don't have to use cheap means to play games.
Additionally, I don't agree with ROMs because most people use it as a means of not having to play games. Yes, people can download older games and play them using emulators, but now emulation are just being abused. People now are trying to find ways to download newer game ROMs to play, AND NOT HAVE TO PAY THE DEV. I don't know about you, but I like supporting the people who make these games. I buy most of my games off of Uplay, Square Enix store, PSN store, NIS, and sometimes Amazon when there are deals. PC gamers have $1000 to upgrade their PCs, but can't afford games to play them? Sounds like PC gamers are the peasants here, not console gamers.
Another reason why I don't prefer emulation is that I enjoy collecting games. All the effort put into the boxart, manuals, and game art envelops the game itself. I swear these days PC gamers care more about FPS, resolutions, and graphics than even what the damn game was about. I can probably think of 10 of the most beautifully designed games that no one gives a shit about. While I am a gamer, I am also a collector. Thus, my point is that I don't do emulation because there's no game collecting involved and that I appreciate the work put into these games.
I feel you don't understand my post. You CAN collect games and enjoy them through emulation. Tools exist to extract roms/isos from your own cartridges and discs. It's just like making backups of your games. If you prefer playing the games in their original form, more power to you. I like busting out my old CRT from time to time too. But I also like seeing new life breathed into older games, and seeing them at a higher graphical fidelity.
I heavily urge you to educate yourself on this topic. Physical collections and emulators are NOT mutually exclusive.
sirqua Let me see if I get what you're saying. *I can still enjoy collecting games and also enjoy them on an emulator.* Is that right?
Yes. I'm sorry if I sounded condescending or redundant in my post. I just don't want people to dislike emulation for the wrong reasons.
Peter I totally agree with you! My parents just don't understand I want an N64 and all of my old games again and they are like "just buy the games on the wii" and I just can't convince them that it's not the same....
Pete doesn't use emulators because he's afraid it will save him time and money
No, he doesn't use emulators because he actually enjoys his hobby of collecting games and he can enjoy the full experience of playing a copy of a game he bought with his hard earned money. It is rewarding.
J Lander Yeah, that's basically what he said. With emulators he wouldn't buy and collect as many games or play as many games all the way through
lol you still supposed to buy games when using emulators
Not sure if this was said, but it's fun to collect things. Some people collect dvd's, some people collect shoes, some collect vinyl records...i mean most people i've know collect something or another, sometimes not even knowing they're collecting. I have a friend whose got a library of books in a room...probably 500 books or more. He never admitted he's 'collecting books' but it's just something he enjoyed, that he had a collection of. I have another buddy that has a garage full of like 1000 tools...guess what he's collecting...and not only collecting stuff, but something he enjoys and uses. Same with video games...it's something that can be collected, used, and enjoyed. Plus it's cool to have a room full of stuff you enjoy, what is the fun in everything being digital...you'd have a empty room if everything was digital think about that. I mean just look at how cool Pete's room looks, you walk in there and you're instantly happy, surrounded by fuckin awesome games. Now walk in a room with a guy who downloads emu on a computer, it's just a fuckin computer on a desk. It's like the difference between walking into a game store and walking into an office of a secretary. Not to mention there's tremendous value in these games, what value is in the digital downloads? i bought a game years ago for $20, played it and didn't want it anymore, sold it on ebay for $100. Can you do that with a download you did 3 years ago, no cause there's no value to your downloads. Pete's probably sitting on 50 thousand dollars right now in that damn room. Does any of this make sense to you? Same reason I don't download movies or music, i like having a laser disc and vhs collection, i like having vinyl it's a different feeling to be able touch the product, turn on your record player, drop that needle on the record and enjoy, it's nothing like downloading and playing a mp3. If you can't wrap your head around what i just said then you won't ever understand and just keep doing what your doing. We can't all like what everyone likes and we have our own way of doing things. Do i use emulators, yes, only on my PSP when i'm on the road and want to play old school games...besides that i use the real deal. here's another example: imagine like playing basketball...you like going to the park and playing ball with friends on a real court. now imagine someone comes to you and says why the hell do you want to drive to the park, waste gas, money, and play with a real ball on a real court with real friends, why not play on my Virtual Reality thingy i have right here. You can have this virtual ball and there's virtual players. You're still playing and getting some excersize so why not give up going to the park and playing ball with real people. Why not just play basketball digitally!!! Right? DERP! because the experience matters dude. it's not all about the end result. the process matters.
You won't use emulators because you want "the authentic experience" and want to play it on "actual hardware" but you do all of your music listening on youtube? Do you see the idiocy in this? Because it's pretty apparent. Music on youtube is heavily compressed and really only vaguely like the original recording. It not only sounds like shit but it's about as unauthentic as you can get. If you can afford to own thousands of games then you can probably afford to spend $50 or less on a decent receiver and speaker setup from a thrift store, and if you get something even halfway decent you will see why music on youtube sounds terrible.
If you want to play on original hardware get flashcarts. You can toss a whole system's worth of ROMs on one cartridge and it's 100% identical to popping in the original cartridge. Also, if you're getting viruses downloading ROMs then you really have no one to blame but yourself because you're flat out bad at the internet. ROMs will commonly be found in two forms: some sort of compressed package, like .zip, .rar, .7z, etc, or as the actual file, which using SNES as an example would be .sfc. Don't want viruses? That's easy. Don't download from sketchy websites and don't download packaged ROMs. You're not going to get a virus from Super Mario World (u) [!].sfc, but you might get a virus from SuperMarioWorld.zip.exe. The best antivirus software in the world is called Common Sense 1.0.
Just because hes a game collector doesn't mean he is a music collector. Maybe the authenticity is more beautiful with games than music in his eyes.
What has attracted me to Emulators recently is a string of ebay faulty cartridge purchases for N64 games. The feeling of Christmas morning opening the games turns into disappointment fairly quickly.
What you have to understand is that you have a form of OCD and Hoarding that is focused on games. Others with baseball cards, fossils, insects etc. Most people buy games to PLAY the game and that's it. Most people don't have the resources to look for these obscure outdated games, BUY them, spend HOURS playing them, find space to COLLECT them etc. That's what gets you off and that's fine. Most would rather spend their time elsewhere. BOOOOOMMM!!!
As a game designer, I can say that emulators really HURT the game market. If you buy a game you are supporting the company and telling that company or indie creator "hey, this is worth something! Please make more!" Emulators ARE stealing and the notion that you are "advertising" the game by playing it is simply ridiculous.
Iris Griffin
Nonsense. Most people use emulators for obsolete gaming systems like the SNES, and the games are all 15+ years old. The manufactures of those games made their money years ago. I don't think many people use emulators for modern systems because no PC would have the spec to run,say, a PS4 game on an emulator.
The 'latest' console that most people seem to play using an emulator is probably the PS1, and that is a 21 year old system.
Stop confusing emulating with piracy. They are two different things, one is legal and the other isn't (well depending on where you live, my country it is a grey area to download; uploading however is definitely illegal).
***** The Wii was being emulated while the Wii still had plenty of active development for it, as did the PSP and the NDS. There is actually studies done on the PSP and NDS that shows that the rise in usable emulators directly correlates with the decrease in sales of software for those systems (this was compounded by the fact that all three of those systems were easily hacked and could play ripped games on).
***** Honestly, I am not going to argue this. You can justify piracy anyway you please, but the fact remains that you are getting something (for free and without consent of the owner) that you are not entitled to. Ability to incur sales doesn't matter (though piracy has been linked to reduced sales, there are lots of statistics on this on various forms of media), it's an issue of entitlement; why should you be allowed to have something that isn't yours?
Now I am not going to say don't pirate anything, because honestly, I don't care if you do or don't. Just stop trying to justify something as ethically acceptable when it clearly isn't. It's not yours, just because the owner can't make a profit from it (that argument is becoming increasingly harder to make with things like PSClassics and Virtual Console) doesn't mean you should be allowed to have it for free. Ethicists all around the world agree that digital piracy is wrong, regardless of the copyright holders ability to produce a profit from it. I would have much more respect from someone who just says, "I pirate [Insert Media Here] and I don't care about the law/intellectual property owner." Plus, in today's digital world, I am betting that the vast majority of people pirate media all the time and I am sure some don't even know they are doing it, but that doesn't mean it isn't unethical.
Now emulation itself is perfectly fine, there isn't anything illegal or unethical about it. Two different beasts that people blur together.
***** Most empirical peer reviewed studies conclude that piracy does reduce sales to some degree. Now, not to the degree that the music industry (the main research focal point) claims. I know that it isn't theft, hence why I didn't say stolen but instead pirated. There is empirical evidence that it does cause a loss in profits to the intellectual property owner. The focus with a lot of the stories that you are linking to, is the discrepancy between what the entertainment industry is claiming and what is actually found. But, there is a negative effect on profits. Remember if one person pirates it instead of buys it, then they are right. There is a loss of a sale. Do you honestly believe that people only pirate things that they wouldn't buy?
Sources:
Music file sharing and sales displacement in the iTunes era; Joel Waldfogel. Information Economics and Policy, Volume 22 issue 4
Piracy of digital products: A critical review of the theoretical literature; Martin Peitza & Patrick Waelbroeck. Info Economics and Policy. Vol 18 Is 4
love the blind guardian shirt
I definitely agree with most if not all of the points made in this video. What I've been doing lately (after years of having all games ever to pick from to download and play) is, I buy the physical copy of a game and _then_ I download the rom for it. I enjoy having the physical copies of the games, and it also makes it a lot easier to go through my physical library and pick out a game I want to play, while also only limiting me to the games I actually know something about. Also I don't have to worry about switching out connections for all the different consoles (which I also actually get before getting an emulator for it) and worrying about damaging either the console or the game. I've seen too many consoles broken, wires torn, disks gouged, and saves lost.
Also I like to have even the Japanese versions of games before getting an English patched rom, or have an original game before downloading a rom hack.
None of this applies completely to arcade games though. One day I want to get a setup like Metal Jesus with the arcade cabinet that has a PC with MAME inside
first of all emulators preserve video games cause eventually these carts are gonna die, then what?! Also not everybody can afford console after console, game after game, not to mention all the translation's that happen to never come over here from japan that we get to experience. Also a lot of people get into old school games through emulation then start buying the games themselves so i really do not see why it is soo taboo
Exactly. I use emulators to play titles I actually have, so I don't need to risk scratching a CD based game, or constantly opening and closing a Super NES or N64 games. I like to keep my games in mint condition. I also use a DS emulator so I can work out whether I actually like a game before buying it, because there's nothing I hate more than having a shit game in my collection :)
yep thats what I did. I started off with literally 8,000 roms from all different systems. Then that made me actually start collecting
devicat6 you don't understand because it isn't your copyrighted work that is being shared illegally. look at how many dev companies have gone bust in the last 10 years
one question though. How is getting old roms hurting them when the games are from private sellers and not sold anymore....HELL most you cannot even get digitally so please tell me how im hurting the companies here
devicat6 it devalues the IP. this affects how much money a company can get from their copyrighted work through repackages, compilations, and selling the licences. if people are downloading roms the market shrinks for potential future sales
Only thing I disagree with is how you say how games can look obviously emulated, there are emulators out there that aim for 100% accuracy (Or even cycle accuracy), I'm to a fan of playing the game the way the developers intended but instead of spending tons of money on consoles and games that won't even go to the original people who developed the products I can just get an emulator that aims for high accuracy, good example of an emulator being accurate is Mednafen, most people recommend DuckStation for PS1 emulation however DuckStation is far from accurate and is more focused on compatibility & speed, accuracy for DuckStation is kind of low priority, however Mednafen has accuracy as a top priority and is almost undistinguishable from original hardware (Had no issues with it except 1 time it crashed for supposedly no reason)
When I play a game I want the authentic experience. I can't get that if I use an emulator.
i totally get what your saying. Spoiling yourself happens so often to me and i get bored of the game because i can just play it whenever. It looses its exclusivity and sparkle. thanks for explaining.
Love and Hate realtionship with Emu's.
Wish every game came out on Steam lmao.
I like earning my games and buying them on my own.
Also like phsyical copies.
This is what nintendo needs to do eventually. Btw, this would exclude games like Goldeneye as they would need permission from Rare and the Bond license.
For me, it's like having a personal museum. I don't have a huge collection of games. I have at the most 30 or 40 games for each system. Some of my systems only have about a dozen games like my small Gamecube collection of only 13 games. But my point is, some of these systems are a part of history, and some of these I grew up with like the Sega Saturn, and Playstation One, as well as owning some of the systems I didn't have the chance of playing or overlooked. I always thought of the Wii as a casual gamer, shovelware console until I bought a used one at Gamestop and starting buying some of the exclusive titles and it's now one of my favorite consoles.
Maybe if collectors dident drive up prices and emulators are kinda saving games too
I agree with you Pete. There's just something special about playing on real hardware that can't be recreated with emulators. There's also the sense of achievement from collecting the carts.
Why not both?
I collect all the games i like physically but i also like owning complete rom collections+box art+ manuals, mostly for having a complete database of my own without needing to be online.
Having complete collections of all systems is useful when i want to, say, compare ports. I'm never going to buy the shitty 3DO or Saturn version of DOOM, but i don't mind having the ISO of it to make my comparisons and see how bad it is. But i do like to own the best Doom games physically, like DOOM 64.
Also, emulation allows you to play games in higher resolutions, Dolphin for instance allows you to play Wii and Gamecube games in 1080p or more.
So in other words, i do like to have everything in a digital, convenient form but i also like to have the games i really like in physical form.
Oye, I'll end the butthurt people who want to justify their emulation usage and pirating hobby.
Pete's a gamer, but he's also a collector. He appreciates all the work put into these games. Most gamers, especially PC gamers, only see the game for what it is: data. "boohoo, my game is laggy or boohoo my FPS is below 30." I've never seen a PC gamer talk about how gorgeous a game looks, even if it isn't graphically impressive. Most PC gamers I know don't appreciate gaming as an art. They only see it objectively, like a science.
May I ask if you still have the statistic/ study for the argument you used: "Most gamers, especially PC gamers, only see the game for what it is: data." (ll. 3-4).
I would very much love to see them, as I couldn't find them on the whim!
"justify their emulation usag"
In of itself, nothing wrong or immoral about it - as emulators merely simulate hardware. It's how one gets the game that matters.
Emulation is a good thing for both the user and company because by doing that it advertises for the company
***** Virtual Console? Live Arcade? PSN? what about things like Sega Genesis Collection? Its not because its old, it free and the original company can make a profit of it.
***** You are right
When the xbox 360 comes out there will be games like minecraft call of duty destiny halo Gta OMG the games that will take about 3-5 years maybe
+Marvin Wilson While the two often overlap, I feel it's important to note that emulation and piracy are not necessarily the same thing. Emulation is legal (though a bit of a grey area for many companies, admittedly) but piracy is not.
When it comes to emulators for me, I have no problem playing games on emulator despite me collecting and purchasing old games to play them physically. For me, I sometimes use emulators to try a game out to see if it's worth the purchase before proceeding to buy a copy of the game, while other times I use it to play games that are otherwise way too expensive for me to afford or for all the fan-translated games and the hacks that people make.
electronics fail. Eventually playing roms will be the only way. I wish we had a way to legally purchase them without drm. We need to get away from the concept of needing a little box or disc for everything we buy. You can literally fit a entire retro game collection on a single dvd now. They have M-Discs that are rated for 1000 years.
I can understand wanting original hardware for accuracy but whatever, I would rather play on a pc with a original style controller. Emulators just keep getting better
100% fully agree with you.
I feel when you reduce both the value of the games to nothing and their ease of attainability to zero then they become next to worthless in some peoples eye. They download 10000 games on an SD card and then play through each for 5 minutes before moving onto the next.
If you actually purchase a game yourself I feel you will be more inclined to play it, give it more of a chance, explore the game and really come to appreciate what the devs went through and what they created.
Like imagine if you had a never ending supply of different cars, you would never take the time to really drive, repair, get to know the car and the way it was built etc. Most people are just going to drive a different car every day for the hell of it and not form a connection any of them.
Absolutely
I get what you're saying, however, I think its the difference between love and fetish. I love a lot of games from the snes, ps1/ps2 era. Mostly for nostalgia reasons and through that love (at the time) I happen to have pretty rare stuff only because they were available when they were coming out originally. I've never bought games for their rareness in retrospect, mainly because the hard copy isn't what I love. I love the games, so emulation is perfect for me.
I am huge huge into collecting physical copies of games, but I will be the first to admit I prefer to emulate most of the time. The reason why is because of the convenience for the most part. I don't have a set up where I can have all of my consoles hooked up at once, thus I would have to take the console out of the game room, into the living room hook it up, then do the reverse when I'm done. Whereas I can boot up my emulator and a game within seconds.
Not only that, but if you have a decent PC you can increase the native resolution and really make disc based 3D games look so so much better.
Боссам корпораций не хватает на пятую яхту, потому что
кто-то запустил Марио на эмуляторе?
I use emulators mainly for Japanese games with English translations, or Rom hacks and mods. This simply cannot be done on the physical console.
Another reason that I use emulators is if I want to play the games on the go. So I use emulators on my PSP or phone. Can't exactly put an N64 in my pocket... so yeah.
Also, not sure if this is the same thing, but the Sony PSP, with its UMD drive based games, loading times are horrible and the drive makes that annoying sound. So I download the games and play them off the memory stick.