Contender or Pretender? A Discussion of the Vancouver Canucks
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- Hey all and since I made my video looking at who I think will win the Cup, I have seen that I both overrated and underrated the Canucks chances, so I wanted to discuss this in a video.
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@@bartsanders1553 who?
People are not taking into consideration the deffensive coaching canucks have that turned zadorov from a 3rd pairing to a top 4 dman. Let's wait and see how they turn out first
they turned Zadorov from a 5 to a 4?
@y6cd3sdzHs1g 5 to a 4, 5 to a 3 doesn't matter, he improved enough in half a season to move up the line and be enough of a force to get a big off season contract.
@@omfg322 He didn't seem particularly improved until the playoffs hit, so I would argue a lot of that was a hot playoff run and his agent. No sale on the Canucks.
Such a weird take. Zadorov did not change while with Vancouver. He had those abilities in spurts with Calgary too. If anything Vancouver has a weak defence minus their top 2.
I guess the Panthers have the best coaches, they turned OEL into a Stanley Cup caliber defenseman, something the nucks couldn't do.
been watching & playing hockey for over 45 years .... this is one of the strongest core groups Nucks have ever had, and probably the best Coach/Management duo's they've ever assembled as well.
yes, they are lacking depth on D, and Demko plagued with some mystery knee injury really sucks.....but with a bit of luck on the injury front, and the acquisition or development of one more really good Dman...I can definitely see this team surprising a lot of people this year...perhaps even a cup final appearance.
Really excited this year!!! Go Nucks!!!!!
Fully agree. They're on the up-n-up...even if this year ends up a slight step back.
If Demko misses a lot of the season, then comes back with a month left for warmup, that could be a setup for a really strong playoff for him.
Ideally want to get those reps in before we get too close to playoffs, and demko really really needs to stay healthy this season once he returns.
A Mark Stone you say 👀
Or not.
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As an Oilers fan the Canucks are 100% the real deal. Realistically they were 1 game away from potentially being the position the Oilers were in last season. If Demko can be healthy at the right times, there's no reason to think they can't go on a deep playoff run this year.
Nope
100% a playoff team , being a true contender will come down to demkos health
Buuuut they managed to contend largely without him just last season?
The biggest question that will determine that answer is Demko. If he's healthy, maybe. But if it's Silovs and Lankinen for much of the season, they're a wildcard. They should be competitive with Tocchet's systems, but that's all I can really count on. They haven't made significant improvements on the back end and that's really what was the biggest cause of their struggles pre-Rick. Obviously, he came in and was influential in last season's success, but he also had a much better overall team than Bruce Boudreau had.
Team defence was the problem before Rick, not just the D pairings. We were shallow up front and on the back end.
Since then we’ve added Hronek, Soucy, and we have a whole new bottom pairing.
One of which, Deshernais, played in double digit games for Edmonton in the playoffs. And he made Nurse look way better when they paired them up, moving ceci down.
We’ve also added defensively responsible forwards
Our problem last year was 5 on 5 production, and rush chances.
If everything goes according to plan I would say their ceiling is WCF appearance
Everyone is overrating them a bit, somewhere between a good to very good team, but not great. I don't know if there are any great teams in the NHL currently. Dal, NYr, Color (if Nichushk returns), & maybe Tor seem like the best four teams to me - yet none of them are great (just very good/excellent)
Van had 5 guys who all had career yrs all at once - Q Hugh, Boesr, JTM, Demk, & Hronk.
With that said, Van should finish 2nd or 3rd at worst in the Pacific & make playoffs. I bet Edm finish 1st in the PAC.
Its ridiculous to suggest a conference final is someones ceiling..Imagine, getting that far and being like, "well, this is our ceiling boys, its been a blast!"
😅
Obviously, if a team can get that far, then they have at least a chance to go all the way.
i think they are a Contender they were a Good Team last Season. Whenever Demko comes Back and is healthy they could be a Problem
.....whats with randomly capitalizing words?
@@theScotian24 i didn't even notice until you said it my bad lol a habit
I don't think we're favourites at all, but I think we could be a dark horse. Just barely contenders.
If this is Vancouvers Stanley Cup year, I would suggest replacing minor hockey players with retired Canucks in the pregame skate. That would have the existing players appreciate how much past teams wanted the Cup.
It's a contract year for Boeser so expect him to at least get 30-35 if he stays healthy.
Contenders
I think they could make a run if they get hot at the right moment. I think the additions if Debrusk and Sherwood outweigh the loss of Lindholm. Keep in the mix until Demko is healthy and go pedal to the metal when he's back.
The Canucks were fantastic last season I’ll give credit where it’s due
Just had to draft another player with the EXACT same name.....
Peter Eliasson
if Anaheim didnt draft him we could have had a third one from the 2024 draft lol. that would have been so funny if we got him
Canucks have a lot of depth actually. I feel Juulsen is overlooked.
@@vancitycanucks he over aggressive sometime when he not he good
My pick to win the cup in 2024-25 (Vancouver). One of my best hockey pundit pals agrees. Some BIG ifs (like Demko, Demko, and Demko) but just a weird feeling, and several quality grit guys that I think get slept on a bit, like Hronek, Garland, and Joshua.
I think its funny watching the spin this year after last year. Last year canucks fans were very cautiously optimistic, thinking about maybe making the playoffs, while the rest of the hockey world thought they were awful. This year, canucks fans are very cautiously optimistic, fairly confident in making the playoffs, while the rest of the hockey world appears to be picking between them, Dallas, Edmonton, and Colorado to come out of the west.
I think the Canucks have a good team. I was one of the few who thought they had a good team going into last year and even think I made a comment saying so on one of last year's preview videos. I don't think, right now, they are a cup contender. I think they can develop into a cup contender, even during this season. Some teams do get better during the season. It all depends on goaltending, and that means if Demok's healthy or one of his replacements up their game. They have the three keys to a championship team: an ace center (Pettersson) an ace d-man (Hughes) and a first rate goalie (Demko). For all the hype over Toronto the last ten years they've never had those three things at any time. Now the Nucks have to fill in around those 3.
Idk if I agree with this. Skinner isn’t an elite goalie, and Bouchard is definitely not an ace defenceman and they were one game from the cup.
Colorado two years ago had the centre and defenceman but their goalie was Kuemper, who I don’t think is elite either.
Vegas doesn’t really have an ace defenceman, and certainly didn’t during their cup run. Hill showed up big for them but he’s not really elite either, at least hasn’t been since their cup win.
@@mcthunderstick2374 You have a point. Then again, you need all three to at least not be a liability, which none of those were. Kuemper and Skinner both had solid above-900 save percentages and in 2022, Colorado scored 4.25 goals per game, which is just insane and can cover for a goalie. Then, for both teams, you have a great first-D pairing that plays well together and covers each other's weaknesses in Bouchard + Ekholm and Theodore + Pietrangelo, respectively. In both cases, you got your shutdown guy and an elite passer, even if you want to argue none of those four is an 'ace.' Same in Florida with Ekholm and Forsling.
Gonna be a good season but I don't think we will see as good a year as last year
I know they’re saving the Poolman money for the trade deadline but I think they’ll need help on D before then. I like their forward group but I think could have gotten another D instead of all the forwards. Maybe they’ll use one that’s not working out in a trade too… not a lot of cap room unfortunately
Contenders, solid management, coaches, excellent pickup in lankinen for depth especially at 875,000 a year their draft picks are close to cracking the line up, especially on defence. GO CANUCKS!
Dont they also have Di Giueseppe?
If the Cunucks made a trade with Montreal for one of the depth defensemen, who would want and what would the trade price be? I only say this as the habs have too many players coming up and not enough spots to play them. I didn’t think the likes of struble/barron would be replaceable this soon, but here we are and I’d rather they not loose them on waivers for nothing.
Garland was in rumors forever, now that the Canucks have somewhat proven that they are contenders idk if he would want to be moved, he has a decent line.
Problem is, in MTL he’s not guaranteed to be in the top6 either, Roy or Newhook could be a better fit with Dach and Laine.
Contender, weak division and conference, the forward group is deep enough, the goalies are good enough, defense first pair is also solid, but overall it lacks a little depth ... if Demko is healthy and does what he does best anything can happen in the playoffs.
Maybe Garland gets dealt for some defensive depth.
The Vancouver Canucks are contenders for sure, but I do agree that they could use another top 4 defender to really push them over the edge
LA finally gets a round 1 win
Canucks, contenders or pretenders? Perhaps they'll be contenders to BE pretenders 🙃
Please noooooo 😂
One top pairing defenseman at the deadline and they could get to the finals
In my opinion, I don’t think enough attention is being paid to Demko’s injury history. Yes, I understand that the sky is not falling and that Demko will return, but I also think that another serious injury this season (like he’s had in every other season), and the Canucks will have to consider other options if they believe that their Cup window is open now. Hopefully, this conversation will be irrelevant nine months from now.
Not without a healthy Demko and a bonafide 2nd defensive pairing.
What you don’t mention the coaching, management and the team Moral right now.
D’Lias Pettersson!
Shooting percentage was well above average for almost all their centres. I don’t think that’s sustainable. The latest of Demko is an ongoing injury that will likely linger the remainder of his career, meaning he will be a big question mark, pretty much forever.
If Pettersson shows up big this year to offset the regression from the rest of the team, I think they’ll land 3rd in the pacific and maybe make it through round 1 again.
Go Canucks Go
I think the Canucks are certainly in the play of contenders. Do I think they did enough to advance past their 2nd round exit from last year? Not really.
I miss demko.
They have Tocchet...they'll win games
Last season they overachieved by a lot, I don’t expect them to win the division again but we ought to play that 2-3 playoff matchup
They’ll pretend to contend.
Can we say no All Star game this year?
There isn't one, no.
if canucks gets in playoffs they are contender then😄
I think Vancouver will definitely be a playoff team, but them doing so well with, let's be honest, a mediocre roster, kinda shows how truly awful the west was last season.
Without. Demko pretender with demko contender it’s that simple
Canucks are absolutely a mirage. There's no question in my mind. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they missed the playoffs, and if they make it, it'll be solely because there are free spaces in the West behind Oilers, Dallas, Avs and Preds, the only actually good teams in the conference, not because they have any business being in the playoffs.
It's so obvious too if you look beyond their results in the playoffs, at how they ACTUALLY played in the two rounds they participated in. Their win over Preds was pure fluke, and the only reason the series against Oilers went past 4 games was because of the absurd amount of goals Canucks got off of lucky bounces, accidental deflections, equipment malfunctions and so on. They got lucky last season, but that kind of luck rarely happens twice in a row.
Demkover?
Contender
Silovs will bring them the cup. Screenshot this
TacTix just made a similar video but for every team and much less detailed lol
hes a nhl video game player. i wouldn't watch him for irl hockey.
contenders if Demko is back, not if he is out.
Nux are an above average team but that's really all you can about them right now, they have the advantage of being in the western division and in a weak conference which helps them squeak into the playoffs, sometimes a few rounds in, but they're not gonna beat any of the top teams currently.
Pretender.
I think they're coming back this year with a lot more experience under their belts playing Rick Tochett's system, and two deep and difficult rounds of playoffs. Demko being healthy is definitely going to be one of the biggest factors in them pushing deep, but getting Lankinen was an absolute STEAL and helps tremendously.
In their division? Most likely a playoff team. Outside the divison? Different story.
They drafted Quinn instead of Zadina; remind me who is more of a contender right now, VNC or DET? 🤔
Red Wings are setting up for a decade of contention, the Canucks will make the playoffs a few seasons then descend back into mediocrity for a decade.
You keep obsessing over 2018, while they build a real championship team.
The Canucks beating the Oilers in the playoffs, thats our Stanley Cup...
With this mgmt. And coaching staff the nucks are contenders. Enough said.
The idea they weren’t rated high enough is pretty ludicrous given you had them as a top contender; doesn’t really go higher than that. Then you’re splitting hairs over who you think ultimately wins. I personally do not think Vancouver is better than some teams that were placed behind them such Toronto, Vegas or Boston
At 8:00, Soucy, Myers, Desharnais, Forbert are all third pairing D's. That D is going to struggle.
I don't get why we're talking about "What if Boeser had puck luck would he have hit 50" he shot 19% he had 40 BECAUSE he had puck luck.
Some of that is because of where he plays on the power play, similar to Reinhart. But yeah 50 is a bit much, hoping for 35 a season from him.
Yea its ridiculous to suggest he needed more puck luck lol
The team will be good again this year. Defensive depth will be a decisive factor towards a long playoff run though.
I think the Canucks will be back in the playoffs this year but i don't see them getting as many points as last year. They might have to start the playoffs on the road as a lower seed this year. Which might actually be better for them to play the role of underdog. I see them finishing somewhere around 95-100 points.
Contender
- Flyers fan
I'll give them contender, like to see them make conference finals if not the finals
It they can just have a relatively healthy roster (especially Demko) come playoff time, I think they have a shot. I won't rank them as a top contender, but I think they will be a solid team and should have another 100 points or more season.
I think the Canucks run into the oilers again, regardless of round, and have a tough time.
Not with demko in net.
Canucks have the makings of a really good team again, but they just don’t have great depth on offense or defense.
Demko is being treated like him being playoff healthy it the priority.
Healthy demko, Allvin deadline acquisitions, The extra goal scoring in the lineup. The two main pieces lost were Lindholm and Big Z, Both picked up along the way, so why not do something similar.
This team is very much built for playoff hockey. You saw that when they were outplayed by EDM and NSH for games they ended up winning. When you shutdown the other team, you don't need to play better you just need to our score.
It would seem that I am in the minority on Tyler Myers... For 5 years and the first couple months of last season he was a train wreck on the blue line, I wanted him gone so badly I would have given him away in a trade. But that changed last season as he became what I was used to seeing from Dan Hamhuis - 20+ minutes a night and very few noticeable errors. Meanwhile, he still has the size and skating. It would seem that this coaching group gave him the structure he needs to play in to go from a chaos giraffe into a solid shut down dman. I have also liked seeing some of his nasty side come out even in the preseason already. I was not nearly as impressed with Zadorov last season as I was with the transformation I saw in Myers. And considering we signed both Myers and Desharnais for what Boston gave Zadorov... I am quite good with that.
That said, while I want to see how the new guys really fit in the regular line up - and having the depth players pushing up from below - I am currently asking the question "who is the contract this team would need to move/replace to get better?" Last year, that was Beauvillier to start the season, Kuzmenko (as much as I really like the player and think he will be very good in the NHL, he was not the right fit in Vancouver), and Mikheyev. I was very upset losing Podkolzin... when that kid puts his game together he is going to be very good. But who is that player/contract now?
The thing that has impressed me so much with this management group is their ability to bring in players where I find myself asking -"who is this?" and seeing them become players who excel in the position they find themselves. Beauvillier being the one player I was not really impressed with, but at the same time, he was the money that made the Horvat trade work and we also got Hronek and Raty - and eventually Zadorov in that series of deals. I'm very interested to see what this team can do. I have them contending for the Cup next season, but how this team is going... they could take the game to another level this year and it would not surprise me.
Pretenders 6-8th seed if they make it in this year.
Canucks feasted on Sharks, Ducks, Kraken, Flames which all finished in bottom 10 of league last season.
Also got easy points against Edmonton at start of season when Oilers were a mess.
The Pacific was brutal last year with Vegas limping all year and even LA with DuBois trade setting them back.
Hughes was great, Tocchet as well, but Canucks did not get better in offseason, Lindholm was one of their best playoff performers and was starting to get going, Zadorov was a beast, the D got big, but puck moving will be an issue.
Pettey is the most overrated diva, Miller is their best C by far.
Hughes / Hronek can not be a 5v5 top pairing, both are offense first, Hughes needs an Eckholm or Tanev type taking care of their net front, taking the hits and making a first pass out of zone.
The pacific bottom teams like Sharks, Ducks and Kraken other than Flames are getting more competitive, teams in Central like Utah, Chicago, St. Louis all got better .
There is no way that Edmonton starts like last year.
The Canucks are in for a rude awakening, 4 top 6 players if DeBrusk can show consistency, 2 top 4 D, the rest of D are all bottom pair or scratches on any true contending team, their strength is the bottom 6 forward group and goaltending if Demko is healthy
Much like Markstrom in his time in Van, Demko covers up and makes the team look better than it is.
Silovs looked great against Nashville, big by the time the second round Oilers scouts were already getting their scouts to find holes, so will other teams this season.
I see Canucks as a wildcard team
Edmonton, Vegas, LA all strong, Kraken should push for playoffs.
Alvin and Jim are reinventing team building by trading futures for rentals, building through free agency.
This team is 2 years away from being 5 years away.
Retooling a team that wasn’t close is only retarding the inevitable rebuild.
Feel sorry for Hughes, he hasn’t had the right partner since Schenn, who wasn’t even top pair material but at least sacrificed his body to get Hughes the puck.
If I’m the opposition I’m dumping it over Quinn’s head and running him over like Nashville and Oilers did.
Hughes and Hronek...decent pairing???!!!! That's the understatement of the year. They are a phenomenal pairing, Hughes won the norris, statistically they were in the top 5 in the NHL in several categories. The way you downplay the Canucks is hilarious. Watch tthe canucks clean house this year including your beloved Stars
Team got stronger. They actually have 3 scoring lines. Joshua being hurt sucks. Demko hurt isnt as big of a deal. Hughes, Miller, Petty, Boeser, Hronek is an insane top 5 group. Now they have added Debrusk, and Sprong. Think people are gonna be really suprised by Sprong natural goal scorer. Canucks have one of the best d pairing in the league now with Hughes and Hronek. Miller and petty are as good as any other stars in the league. This team is miles ahead of last year. We have easily 8 forwards that could be a top 6 anywhere else in the league. Miller, Petty, Boeser, Debrusk, Hogs, Garland, Joshua, Sprong. Hughes could grab another gear and so could Petty.
Worth noting that they haven't made the playoffs two years in a row since 2012-13. I think they may have overperformed last year in part due to the new coach bump they got from Tocchet. That being said, I still expect them to make the playoffs in a still somewhat weak Pacific Division, probably as the 3rd seed behind EDM and VGK.
Definitely a contender, Go Canucks! Really interested to see how DeBrusk does this year. I hope Joshua is 100%.
Vancouver did not have a lot of injuries last year. Let us hope the Canucks do not fall back to being injury prone. Here is hoping it will be a good season and not the bottom dwelling Canucks.
Shannon can't shake the typical Canucks cycnicism. This team is a contender and despite what everyone says, we have amazing goaltending depth.
I think that the Canucks are definitely a playoff team and from there anything can happen. Go Canucks Go!
Agree with Allvin at GM and Rutherford as President, there's optimism the Canucks can perform, and even get better through the year with various moves. They already proved both last year.
Demko being injured to begin the year just might prove a blessing in disguise. Team has to learn to not rely on their goalie bailing them out, PLUS Demko gets more breathing space and rest to be at his best come playoff time.
Playoffs for me. If they can make it to the Western Conference Final that would be a step in the right direction and with some puck luck and injury luck they could sneak into the Stanley Cup Final.
Dallas is the one off, watcth them get managed this year by Vancouver and the Oilers, LV ans all the California teams.
Nice to see so many young players close to breaking the roster. Excited for Lekkerimäki and Räty. Hope they make the roster along the season, really need someone to break through on the D also.
They have coaching, need goaltending and need to score more than 2 goal games. It almost worked against EDM, but they still lost
Canucks prospect pool has improved but is still ranked in the bottom third of the league. They got a bunch of hard to play against players without any crazy contracts. DeBrusk is a huge improvement for the Pettersson line, where Petey had to do it all with less than stellar linemates last season. The forest of tree trunks on the blueline are going to be pretty intimidating for teams that decide to start pushing anyone around, like we saw last night in the game against Seattle.
Another monthly video about Shannon saying the Canucks aren’t gunna win a cup in his life time
Feels like we have several players at risk of not clearing waivers. What do you think of that?
Teddy Blueger is your best forward best at least the 1C here
I think hockey is about scoring more than the other team again, and I like it.
you don't 'spread the energy around' on a very successful, in-sync line. All the famous lines in history were kept together (thus the naming of the line) because they were better together than apart. It's like trading Gretzky for 8 average players. You don't dilute - you build
It's a third line. If they're all playing that well, you push those players into top six roles.
I thought picking up Lankinen was a great move and also surprised he was still available and for cheap.
Lankin might be one of the best backups, but he still is a backup. That's s fine though, as Sivols is probably too good for the AHL, but another yr in the AhL wouldn't hurt Sivs
Just below contender status
Nucks are going to suck
I can't wait!!!!
You forgot to mention Aman in depth section..
Purely a fourth line option, not a needle mover.
@@TheHockeyGuy I agree but he is more experienced than Smith or Klimovich.. better option than either of them imo
Dark horse that just falls outside top 4 at the moment
Not sure but it's nice to see them be a part of the conversation rather than being an endless mediocre meme
Deep run and possibly cup winners imo.
They’ll be a playoff team (Top 3 in the Pacific alongside the Knights and Oilers), but how far they go is the real question.
Knights are gonna struggle this year
I think the story of this year is going to be the emergence of DeBrusk as a major star, eclipsing Petey, and Canucks fans are going to be very pleasantly surprised by this development, while also not liking it much that this guy they didn't think too much about before the season is making Petey and his contract look bad. You know, a typical Vancouver fan situation: happy but sad at the same time.
Not a fucking chance man.brusky is a lovely complimentary piece. Petey is a franchise player in the same category as Hughes. He has a legit shot at eclipsing henrik Sedins all time points record by the end of his career. If u dont believe me go look at his and henriks numbers by age
i think they are as well