Nightmare Giant TCR Full Rebuild! Tubeless Road Bike Service!

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  • In todays episode we fully service this Ultegra equip 2020 Giant TCR. We reseal a problematic tubeless tyre and generally tune up the rest of the bike...
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  • @daveladdie3614
    @daveladdie3614 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Every time I watch one of your videos I think I wish I lived closer to your shop, exceptional service.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you very much for the support David🧡

    • @ty-ger4300
      @ty-ger4300 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hell yeah

  • @ajfrog699
    @ajfrog699 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Another cracking service. Great reminder about the bolts and checking them over regularly too as always 🙌

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s absolutely essential in our books, thanks as always for watching 🧡⚙️

  • @kevinfrost1579
    @kevinfrost1579 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Shows the value in regular cleaning, inspection and routine maintenance. Steerer and seat issues ID and rectified, always a better choice than a face plant at 40mph. Well done lads ! 👋👋👋 ……….and that’s why a good mechanic is worth their weight in gold.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Kevin, we agree! 🧡⚙️

  • @dugdanny
    @dugdanny ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this geezer

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha thanks very much!🧡

  • @thegeordiefellwalker8878
    @thegeordiefellwalker8878 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very rarely hear of any problems with giants press fit BB.unlike other brands I could mention 😮that TCR will ride superb now👌🚴

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      They’re usually a pretty good all round option⚙️

  • @bikingchupei2447
    @bikingchupei2447 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    just bought my first ever road bike this month, a Giant 2022 tcr advanced 2 disc with 105 groupset, came with a similar 25c tubeless, waiting for my gp5000 clincher 32c to arrive so i can swap it out.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow! Enjoy it!🧡

  • @MrDazP1adv3ntures
    @MrDazP1adv3ntures ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Over the years I have found that the little corner of the bike shed has become a full on bike tech corner where I can spend just as much time cleaning and servicing the bike as riding it. I must admit I am liking the way you explain the process to the keen cyclist who may not have the confidence to undertake such work.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We like to call it edutainment, we enjoy making this style over how to content and like to think it’s something quite unique on TH-cam. Big thanks again🧡

  • @sakajungle
    @sakajungle ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Awesome job! Thanks so much for this lecture in bike maintenance.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks again for all the support 🧡⚙️

  • @dagobaker
    @dagobaker ปีที่แล้ว +1

    cant describe how happy i am that its officially spring....... and hopefully the road salt and slag will b gone soon

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s hit and miss where we are, spring hasn’t quite sprung but we’re having a few nice days so looking forward to some better riding weather!🧡

  • @Maik1968
    @Maik1968 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dear Lee and Simon (not to be forgotten), another nice service which reminds me to take care of my giant e-bike again in order to let it shine again and have all screws the right torque. Have a nice evening and keep on going, will await your next video 👍😘🍀🌞 As always: greetings from Germany 🐝

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Big thanks Maik!🧡

  • @VideoGameAtlas
    @VideoGameAtlas ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Beautiful job

  • @sweepsp8468
    @sweepsp8468 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just love your posts, my Wednesday bit of calm. Over the past few years I have learned a lot about bikes and how to look after them, one of the most influential on youtube is you. Thank you.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very kind words! Thanks very much🧡⚙️

  • @pigeonpoo1823
    @pigeonpoo1823 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Excellent work guys.
    1 thing I've learnt from you and others is to regularly torque up bolts. Many thanks

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely essential!🧡⚙️

  • @todddudgeon2320
    @todddudgeon2320 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow. Nearly every bolt was loose on this bike, but it’s ready to ride now. I understand the fair weather rider concept and find myself getting the majority of my miles in the sunshine 🌞. Thanks again gentlemen. Great jobs as always. Cheers. 😊

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Todd! Enjoy the coming sun and spring!🧡☀️

  • @NickJames-vh7dl
    @NickJames-vh7dl ปีที่แล้ว

    Best ever purchase is my air cannon , brilliant bit of kit saves me money and time .

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s very much essential if you’re regularly working with tubeless🧡

  • @richardcarr6493
    @richardcarr6493 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOW THAT S AMAZING WORK !! l wish my shop did the same job , l know they ll look things over but not like this , l do my own ever winter . But l know people would to pay for this level of service for sure !! GOOD JOB

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Richard!🧡

  • @percival3830
    @percival3830 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fabulous as always. I for one will be a happy customer when you open up your website, that small grease garage is an essential buy for me.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks very much! We’re working hard on it and appreciate your support🧡

  • @kevinborovsky3558
    @kevinborovsky3558 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Top drawer job as always. The pros make it look so easy.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Kevin!🧡💪🏼⚙️

  • @lesliethomas5361
    @lesliethomas5361 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would love to see a video on how to adjust front and rear derailleurs. That's always done off camera on Bikespeeds.

    • @buildingreno
      @buildingreno ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There are a million you tube videos on that topic. I'm glad Lee just talks softly though a bike service.

  • @tristguyy
    @tristguyy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing work as always guys - could we have a shop/workshop tour in the future? Greetings from New Zealand

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      There isn’t much to see, we’d love a refit and may do one then!🧡

  • @brianpurcell9058
    @brianpurcell9058 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Usual quality service as always guys !! Have a real affection for a giant bike ! Underestimated in ny opinion ! 👍

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Giant are no fuss and we like that!🧡⚙️

  • @roncooke2188
    @roncooke2188 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great Video Your videos are extremely inspiring and so informative and interesting, you mention your website quite regularly but I never hear any mention of costs or prices.
    It would be so great to hear in your videos as your
    so beautifully described the work you are doing, it would
    be nice to hear you say this service cost our client ££££
    and cost of parts came in at £££. We have this on our website £££.
    Thanks for the video Ron.

  • @ewanlivlingstone1759
    @ewanlivlingstone1759 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another great video, you make it look so easy. I really wish I had more confidence to do the jobs that you show. It is amazing that even though the bike looked in good condition, the difference it made once it was complete. Keep up the good work.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great comment! Thanks Ewan, we try very hard with all of those things so it’s nice to read🧡

  • @nektin9923
    @nektin9923 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Perfect channel for me. Maximum satisfaction while watching the whole bike spa. 💯

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for joining us🧡⚙️

  • @tinniswood2577
    @tinniswood2577 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love a white TCR, must admit to never checking my rear hanger bolts so thanks for pointing that out.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      They’re very common to come loose 🧡

  • @stuartbennett4476
    @stuartbennett4476 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kudos to Simon for all his effort to put the weekly videos together. Bit of an unsung hero. Really enjoy these. Actually more than the super bike videos because you show the issues you really face as shop through day to day use. When the grease rack is available, will you also be able to send to the EU?

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Stuart, Simon here, currently onto my second 12 hour day trying to get tonight’s video out so it’s very much appreciated! The grease selection is around a month from being ready for sale we feel, we will be shipping internationally so hopefully you can get your hands on one. Thanks for all the support🧡

  • @DeanPattrick
    @DeanPattrick ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree, the Giant tyres are not the best selection. Changed mine out on both the Propel and Revolt. 🙌😎🇫🇮

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s for the best, at the road side you’re really up against it with them🧡

  • @davidlutan7727
    @davidlutan7727 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, great information, particularly importance of torquing bolts and checking. Thanks

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Our pleasure, thanks for the support🧡

  • @e_n1984
    @e_n1984 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I enjoy your videos sir and learning in the same time

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks very much for watching! Glad you enjoy the content 🧡

  • @chad.765
    @chad.765 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So I know you're launching a grease/oil page on your shop but it would be really cool to have an in depth tour of your workshop showing your highlight tools, organization tips, and maybe even in depth ultrasonic process walkthrough including what can/cannot be cleaned that way. Even the blue brush in your post-sonic wash tub looks really handy, I tried to spot the brand but it was always hidden in the latest video.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Chad! We try to stick to the entertainment side of bike servicing which we feel is unique to us on TH-cam. With so many how to channels we don’t have much new to offer in that world. On the point of the brushes they will also be brought to our website very soon🧡

  • @olekmehera7256
    @olekmehera7256 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We all thinking this, how easily that front brake bolt came out, normally you need a roid rage to get that one out 😂 awesome vid guys been here since 300 subs!

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      We got lucky, and have had many unlucky rages lol. Thanks for still watching all the content it’s truly humbling🧡

  • @Mr229357
    @Mr229357 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice work. I'm service my thebikes my self 😊👍🏻👍🏻

  • @jeanlouisb4559
    @jeanlouisb4559 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    bon boulot, good job, il like.

  • @terrycorkum
    @terrycorkum ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such a great job.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheers Terry! Good to see you pop up again🧡

  • @kevgreathead1886
    @kevgreathead1886 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi guys, loving your videos. I have a request!
    Can you do a video on setting up a rear derailleur (shimano altus in my case)
    OR link to a video where you set one up?
    Many thanks 😊

  • @Tom_J23
    @Tom_J23 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for video!

  • @bebopman5
    @bebopman5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job on this bike and video. About two months ago, you inspired me to thoroughly clean up my Caad12. Ironically, a week later, I had to break it all down to mount the part on a SuperX 😅. At least all the parts were clean

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha good for the soul if nothing else, cool to hear you were inspired by the videos!🧡

  • @christopherureta2160
    @christopherureta2160 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such an art for me❤️

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks very much! Very kind🧡

  • @lauratatsch1066
    @lauratatsch1066 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Spent about 500 miles on it and so far so good. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA Pros:1. Very light2. Solid quality build3. Fast delivery: It arrived 5 weeks earlier than expected.4. Easy assemblyJust a few cons but nothing major:1. Cheap tin tubes and had flat on first day... but not a big deal. I replaced the tubes.2. Seat is a bit uncomfortable but that's pretty much the same situation with most bikes.3. Seat post is a bit long/high for a smaller size 48 bike - had to saw 2 inch off to fit properly. The lowest setting is too high. The post locking system does not seem to hold well (perhaps because I saw 2 inch off).4. wheels are not tubeless compatible (from what I can tell)

  • @refreshingapathy
    @refreshingapathy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those single-bolt Giant saddles can be a pain... I am constantly fiddling with mine to keep it tight to the torque standard but also keep the saddle level as I tighten it. Takes a few tries sometimes to get it right.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      We practically see all saddles loose. You’re right, they are something that work themselves loose and need to be checked on⚙️

  • @paulburns3016
    @paulburns3016 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant 👍🏼
    Hi Bike speed I was thinking about getting continental road tyres for my road bike are they a good tyre 🤔

  • @Felintrepid
    @Felintrepid ปีที่แล้ว

    You do not run out of nice bikes to service, do you? Great job once again.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      We play it cool but tonight’s video, due in 12 minutes still isn’t finished! So sometimes we have a dry spell waiting for the right bike🧡

  • @paulseaman8558
    @paulseaman8558 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ultegra is such a good group set !

  • @buildingreno
    @buildingreno ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice job as always. Nice bike too but, those pedals are killing me! Lol

  • @MX5Fanatic
    @MX5Fanatic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting how many bolts were loose. Also curious why you washed the bike down without taking the tool bag off the saddle. I am not a fan of the tubeless setups but I will use some sealant in my tubular tires.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That one was just an oversight, the bike almost didn’t need washing mind you. We’re pretty sure it was washed and then biked straight to us. Thanks for interacting with us as always!🧡

  • @tobycolin6271
    @tobycolin6271 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can’t believe you didn’t check the fork steerer length on a bike with so many steerer spacers on it. I see a lot of bikes where only one clamp bolt is effective, due to the fork steerer being to short.

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 ปีที่แล้ว

      That and not having enough spacers for proper headset preload and people keep wondering why they can never get rid of headset play.

  • @markwalker9147
    @markwalker9147 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job, black safety sticker on the white fork really draws the eye though. I know you don’t like to take things off, could have but a nice piece of white vinyl and covered it up though 😂. Looking forward to next week…..

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Mark!🧡⚙️

  • @leonmanning7190
    @leonmanning7190 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi guys, another great video and a similar bike to mine which I've been servicing following a lot of your tips.
    Question for you, what do you use to clean carbon rims of tape residue? Tried muc off remover which hasn't done the trick. Alcohol doesn't shift it. Everything seems to just move it around. What do you use?

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If spirits don’t work you’ll be hard pressed to find something that does unfortunately but that’s all we can recommend on delicate carbon🧡

  • @gulfcitynd
    @gulfcitynd ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My trek rear wheel is being replaced at the moment

  • @tomcrest
    @tomcrest ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your videos, I’m a regular viewer as build/refurb bikes as a hobby so al this is all very familiar (and useful)! Couple of questions if I may:
    1) what product are you using in the ultrasonic cleaner?
    2) what product do you use to clean the frame?

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We use a water soluble degreaser and car wash cleaning products that are both coming to our new website around a month from now so stay tuned for that. Glad you’re enjoying all the content Tom and enjoy working on your bikes🧡

    • @tomcrest
      @tomcrest ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bikespeeds thanks for the reply! Ah ok, do you have a brand you can recommend in the meantime for the water soluble degreaser? Also what proportions do you use for your 6l cleaner or do you use 100% degreaser? And do you have to refill for every use or can you reuse? Sorry for the questions but I'm very new to ultrasonic cleaning!

  • @germurphy4986
    @germurphy4986 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lovely bikes to work on, and puts many a boutique brand to shame.

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Giants are great for being simple 🧡

  • @andreyrozodominguez8050
    @andreyrozodominguez8050 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow hermosa 😍

  • @commando25101
    @commando25101 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve had a tcr a few years and I struggle to get good rear shifting with the tight angle on the rear mech cable 😢

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hmmmm not good!🧡

  • @hardware4computer
    @hardware4computer ปีที่แล้ว

    Don’t you get degreaser inside the rear derailleur spring (the one around the frame bolt) and pivot points when it comes out the ultrasonic cleaner?
    Same question for brakes which have springs ‘inside’ (direct mount). How long do the parts stay completely under?
    And why do you never take the pedals off?

  • @jamesschilling9269
    @jamesschilling9269 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍

  • @germcevoy
    @germcevoy ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I ask what is in the spray bottle you use to wash the frame? I am always impressed by how much foam it produces. It looks a great option for reducing water wastage. Thanks

  • @eternalvoiceofsoup
    @eternalvoiceofsoup ปีที่แล้ว

    Why don't you service and lubricate the P-tension spring of rear deraileur after ultrasonic washing? Every time I look and I don't understand.

  • @murphyco88
    @murphyco88 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice job as alway. I picked up a 52 royal imperial. What’s your take on this bike thanks gents 😎

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      Very nice! Similar to the Raleigh we did a bit back, love the engineering on them🧡

  • @stevenm4319
    @stevenm4319 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the plastic thing why would I take that out?

  • @kev81987
    @kev81987 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    never see a TCR with that many spacers😂

  • @gregschramm8180
    @gregschramm8180 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have ultegra and have had to many problems. And 3 shops and cable and cassette still doesn't shift well.

    • @germurphy4986
      @germurphy4986 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Get mech hanger alignment checked....

    • @buildingreno
      @buildingreno ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's very odd. Ultegra groupsets are incredible...I rarely ever hear anything bad about them. If you're having issue it might be the cable routing...or, if you have a barrel adjuster for the rear mech it can cause issues too. Either way, it'll be the frame's issue or the cable's issue. Ultegra components are not likely the reason for your struggles.

  • @invalidcar6243
    @invalidcar6243 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you do a shop tour?

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      We have a very small shop so there isn’t much to see, we’d like to refit and do one then🧡

    • @invalidcar6243
      @invalidcar6243 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bikespeeds no problem maybe you can do it anyway

  • @cloak057
    @cloak057 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doesnt it get sticky if you dont rinse the soap with water?

  • @-1.954
    @-1.954 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍👍💪

  • @andrewlogan9556
    @andrewlogan9556 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any advice on dealing with internally routed cables hitting off the frame creating a pinging clicking noise?

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It can be very tricky to stop, we use an internal outer in the shop but our methods change job to job🧡

  • @Babkyb
    @Babkyb ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How could let all the screws so loose,😮😮😮

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It happens! Main thing is that we got them fixed 🧡

  • @neilk22
    @neilk22 ปีที่แล้ว

    The computer mount was on the wrong side of the stem. I would have neatened the bar tape a tad.

    • @buildingreno
      @buildingreno ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Not his mount to move...and he can't just give away time and services like bar tape. If the customer wanted the tape fixed up then they would've added that to the work-order.

    • @neilk22
      @neilk22 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@buildingreno yes, he has mentioned this before. A key aspect of my initial comment is the letter “I”.

  • @christianhill3160
    @christianhill3160 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was advised not to go tubeless on a rim brake as the friction "cooked" the sealant. Any thoughts on this?

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s not something we’ve come across🧡

    • @buildingreno
      @buildingreno ปีที่แล้ว

      I've never heard that before. Tubeless is so nice!

  • @athletic91
    @athletic91 ปีที่แล้ว

    any danger the soapy water will get into the BB bearings during the wash

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not with a sealed BB🧡

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 ปีที่แล้ว

      As long as you don't shoot water at them, you'll be fine.

  • @supertool1987
    @supertool1987 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great service! I want to buy the owner some clipless pedals!

  • @therollingwheels1603
    @therollingwheels1603 ปีที่แล้ว

    Submerging whole rear derailleur in the water can definitely damage clutch and create a lot of rust

    • @buildingreno
      @buildingreno ปีที่แล้ว

      No clutch in that one. This is not a Deore or GRX mech. There's no issue with what was done on this video.

  • @measorz5678
    @measorz5678 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    love your vids. but why are there sometimes other bikes on the thumbnail than in the vid, kind of annoying. But great videos anyway

    • @buildingreno
      @buildingreno ปีที่แล้ว

      Not sure I've ever noticed that happening?

  • @AdeiltonNascimento
    @AdeiltonNascimento ปีที่แล้ว

    Estragou o fit do cara com o torque no selim.

  • @chnyuk
    @chnyuk ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ridiculous pedals, other than that love to see a modern bike with a wired groupset, rim brakes and 25 tyres, keep it old school

  • @prod.dead.T
    @prod.dead.T ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't put the dork disc back in 😭

  • @oreocarlton3343
    @oreocarlton3343 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pedals lmao

  • @ty-ger4300
    @ty-ger4300 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would love to learn from this guy

    • @Bikespeeds
      @Bikespeeds  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very kind 🧡

  • @andypaddon8531
    @andypaddon8531 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    First comment!!