Tried the positioning with my 5-week-old son a few times and not only is it wildly uncomfortable and back-breaking for both of us as I have to sit hunched forward with y lower back arched for him to reach, while he has to sit upright with a head he cannot yet control out in space, it also makes him projectile spit up right after the forceful letdown she claims is imaginary. Can rule out the other issues since he had a perfect natural birth, spent only 20 min in birth canal with no coning & no injury, does not have a tongue toe, & latches beautifully. He also fed perfectly until my supply increased around 2 weeks & the letdown bacame so forceful it sprays several feet away. But go off about how it’s not real and invalidate the struggle of us mamas out there!
This video was a life-saver! My daughter was getting really fussy towards the end of her feeding session and it was heartbreaking for me to see and hear her crying because of the gas she had due to my forceful let down. Everyone around me was telling me it was my diet but after the very 1st time of trying this technique, my daughter immediately stopped being fussy. No kicking of her legs, no piercing crying, no red face due to gas, and she stopped passing so much gas. She even started eating for longer periods of time! This video is an absolute God send! Thank you so much! Hope she accepts my insurance for a telehealth visit!
This video is so dismissive of a very real and frustrating issue many mom's face. And the sitting up position will not work for everyone. My baby seems incredibly uncomfortable in that position (and it also did nothing to prevent her from choking), yet you present it at the only solution. That framing is what makes mom's blame themselves when we can't achieve your one solution to our "fake" problem.
Frustrated new mom here..this journey is great one week, then chaotic the next. Not enough milk, then too much, pump but not too long, bottle feed but don’t… i cant seem to win and Ive been working with a lactation consultant (which insurance doesn’t cover). I can see why Moms give up - I’m trying everything and spending soo much time trying to learn how to fix all these issues.
Danielle is amazing and saved my breastfeeding journey with my son. He had a tongue tie release and still wasn't feeding well afterwards. He was choking on my milk, crying and pushing away when I tried to feed him. I had nearly given up breastfeeding, but then I found this video and scheduled a virtual consult with her. She gave me the tools to help him learn to feed better and he's doing so much better ☺️. I am so grateful to have found her!
Having solutions to address the causes of waterboarding baby at the breast doesn't mean forceful letdowns don't exist. No one is saying it's an unsolvable problem, either. Managing oversupply and addressing tethered oral ties, low tone, and position optimization all need to happen in tandem. Saying it's a myth ignores the obvious truth most of us know which is the fuller the breast, the more pressure, the more forceful the ejection of milk is 🤷🏻♀️
I might be getting a bit ahead of myself here but after I tried this position, it was the first best feed we’ve had in a whiiiile… thank you for that, it was such a breather! Fingers crossed it works out in the long term!
I have struggled so much with this! I have had three babies and always have a very hard first 6 weeks breastfeeding due to "overactive letdown". I have always had to pump before nursing, lay back to nurse, and unlatch baby once my milk let's down until the flow slows and then relatch. Thanks so much for this information! I will refer back to this when we have baby #4 in the future.
You’re going to tell me overactive letdown isn’t a thing when my left boob shoots milk 4 feet away like a geyser and chokes my baby? Oooook lol. I’ve tried every single one of these tricks plus more, I breastfed my first for 14 months and now breastfeeding my second. These help, but Ive had to just accept that it’s going to be this way for a bit until they grow enough to control it. Which they do. It’s a “myth” LOL come on now way to totally discredit yourself.
i’m gonna try this bc the laidback position absolutely sucks when trying to help my baby keep her head straight / alignment and in preventing a shallow latch. i pray this works.
This is exactly my breastfeeding norm! I had so many professionals question me this time because the amount of time baby is nursing or her getting so much so fast. Thankfully because of you I knew this was totally fine and not a problem but something baby and I had to learn together. I also was able to stand up for myself and not be pressured into abandoning breastfeeding.
I’m going to try this, but it is a little ridiculous to say that having an overactive letdown is a “myth”. It’s very real...when my son pulls off of my breast because of my forceful letdown my milk sprays several feet away. I’ll respond to my comment with how it goes for us though.
@@bahamianempress5138 I struggle too and she is saying oversupply is a myth I produce more than my newborn needs he take just one breast at a time and he can not get to the fatty milk he struggle with the let down and he take his head off the breast I tried this position and nothing works she should not say it is a myth because women like me struggle
This video is a game changer. Are there other feeding positions that might work for short and short waisted moms? Listening to you made a light bulb go off in my head!
How about having about 6 letdowns during 1 feeding?. Makes it difficult for him. I'm having to always put my finger on my nipple to stop it while he takes a break . It's been this way with my other 2 babies aswell. He also has a lip tie which makes him click.so the constant letdowns are trouble some. He's ebf,no birth trauma like c section or something bcus he was freebirthed, head is still coned a bit at 9w. But his face isn't tight,his cheeks are nice and chubby. He's 12lbs right now. But is definitely sputtering, fussing etc.
I have a 2 month old who started to become extremely gassy. I have one breast that is an “overachiever” and when my newborn was nursing he would choke, cough, and take in so much air. I was consistently using the cross cradle hold until his gassiness became crazy. I tried the laid back and side lying positions, both made the gas worse. This is the only position that seems to work! Yes, it is incredibly uncomfortable for me but I have some tips that hopefully will help someone out there. I have my baby straddle my legs with his legs in more of a frog position. If theyre in a sleepy state but not super sleepy state, that’s the best because they’re awake enough to pay attention to this position as it takes a little more work on their end. In the beginning you can support baby by their back, but as they continue eating, I have to support more of his neck as he starts to slump from being sleepy. I also do push his stomach pretty strongly into my stomach or he doesn’t have great posture. If this is done right, my baby burps immediately if not during eating. But if the position isn’t spot on, I’ve still had a little trouble with him being gassy but nothing like it was with the cross cradle position. I don’t have an oversupply but my letdown is definitely forceful.
OK at first I was mad when I read this video title. We’ve been struggling for weeks. That was until I saw a proper lactation nurse, and she told me I needed to do compressions on my breast because it wasn’t that hard let down that was the problem. It was the inconsistency of the flow that my son was crying about. Babies love flow! Now I do football pose (big breasts) while compressing my breast at the armpit and he’s fed like an angel every since. So yeah, being intolerant of a fast flow doesn’t make any sense.
Ok you are awesome. I havent tried any of your tips yet so I dont know if they're actually helpful BUT you should be a motivational lactation speaker. If that doesnt exist...it should
It's not myth. I've tired everything and nothing works. It's tough and I'm so frustrated..I try th position you say but I can't do it because he's taller. How do I do it wheb baby's back is arched.
Thank you thank you thank you. I was having very active let down that was causing my baby so much frustration and in turn fussy. This video helped us so so much and can't believe the solution Is as simple as position. Thank you.
It's good to have every tool in your toolbox available. But to call the overactive letdown issue a myth is a bit disingenuous. I have issues with both sides but my left is the super boob. Sure, I'd love for baby to get all that milk it's shooting out, but he's going to unlatch and cry no matter what so I might as well unlatch him and keep us both from total soakage. If I did this position as suggested and he stayed on he would get too much and puke all over me. I've watched it happen with both my kids and honestly having them puke because they were forced to over fill their bellies feels worse. If baby is gaining weight fine, it sucks but really it's more of a waiting game. Eventually baby gets older, they belly gets bigger and they can handle it better.
I was about to give up my daughter once I put her on she would pull off and cry and cry this make so much sense I had to start pumping to get her to eat but today I will do this and hope it works will let you know thank you!!!!
This video helped my daughter and I until she was better able to handle breastfeeding! It isn’t always easy, but it’s worth it! Now she feeds no problem!
Very interesting. I will try this method. However, what position can I use while bedtime. I used to feed my baby in lying position for few weeks which was going well but since I've had this fast flowing let down since a week, baby is struggling. But can't do the position you mentioned at bedtime, so any other position?
I hope you read these because I have a question! I'm a mom of 2, a gestational surrogate of 2 and a doula for the last 14 years. I would have said I had an overactive letdown with my two kids, who both breastfed exclusively for 6 months and continued to breastfeed until about 3 years of age. I would not have said we had a breastfeeding problem. Yes, they had some difficulty managing the flow, but it didn't seem traumatic, they let both the milk run out of their mouths until it slowed down. We used a lot of flat diapers to catch the milk. In the early days if I would let down in the shower the milk sprayed a foot in front of me. I couldn't use cloth breast pads because I would soak right through them. BUT, later, I carried two surrogate babies (at different times). For the first one I only pumped a little bit for a few months and not a fully supply. Bur the the second one I pumped for 7 months, pumping approximately 65 oz a day but I barely leaked at all and did not have an overactive letdown. Now, I have heard some people say that perhaps with tongue-tied babies, the mother's body compensates by doing the work for the baby, essentially, but I'm not sure if there's a scientific basis for that. I only want to say that, having lactated 4 times, I've experienced big differences in how quickly and forcefully my body releases milk. If you have any insights, let me know. I'm so interested in this stuff.
I have watched several of your videos and have totally agreed with your teachings. This one however, I really don't. Structure can often be the issue but I have personally worked with hundreds of moms, that have had a forceful letdown. When a mom has a FL she also will have an oversupply. The moms that I've worked with who have this condition, who become exclusive pumpers, will usually still have babies with symptoms, if mom is still removing lots of milk. When a mom has this condition, she will have it with every baby, though every baby will handle it very differently. I'm trying to understand your perspective. There are so many of your points and suggestions here that I would see as proof of a FL and you would see as proof of the theory being a myth. I am very open to discussing it more if you would like to discuss it further. If I am wrong, I truly want to be corrected. I do respect and appreciate you!
I have very forceful letdowns. I’m about to have my fourth child in a couple months and the first 4-6 weeks when I have letdown it sprays 6-12 in out, even further with my first about 2-3 feet. None of them really seemed to pull off but they did act like it was just too much and then after I fed them they’d throw it all up, all of it everywhere like projectile vomit it and I’d have to feed them again. I’m pretty sure it was over supply but at the time I really didn’t know what was happening, I thought that they just were bad burpers or something and they always ate after that just fine but I didn’t figure this stuff out until about 6 months into nursing my third. So we didn’t have that problem anymore. I just don’t know what to do with the letdown. I’ve thought about taking this baby off during letdown and maybe that would help but they need that fore milk so I just don’t know what to do. I’ve thought about exclusively pumping this one just to not go through all that again. Idk
I have an over supply and forceful let down. With my first I exclusively pumped but now with my second I nurse in a reclined or side lying position as well as being sure to pump so the breasts aren't too full. It's really helped TREMENDOUSLY! A much happier baby and such a simple fix.
There is a masterclass for oral function you could look into! She has taken it and my IBCLC is actually an instructor for the class. My forceful letdown and my son choking at the breast was ties and torticollis. Both missed by every provider I saw. CLC and pediatrician
@@rebekahw1177 I teach my mommies to take baby off for a few seconds to let the most forceful milk slow down. When moms have this, their babies take in extra air from gulping, making them extra gassy. I have a 3 part little video series on my channel to explain it more. Congrats on your new baby💕
@@athenahiatt9749 position does help a lot. 😁. Pumping first is helpful to get the first most forceful letdown, out of the way. When you remove milk, you make more milk so for some moms, that seems to make the problem worse. That’s awesome that it works for your baby. 💕
Same thing for me. My baby nurses fine for 4 weeks and then started having issues the next two weeks. Now he is doing about 60% better thanks to lots of suggestions from lactation consultants and hard work on my and his part. I never had anyone say “ok just bottle feed him then” but i definitely have considered it. What works best for me is having him delatch when I can tell he’s getting fussy and let the milk come out for a little while and then put him back on. Laid back didn’t work at all for me in fact it made it worse. I will definitely try this position as well and see if it helps more.
I am on my third baby (almost 1 month old) and I breastfed my first for 2.5 years and my second for a little over 3 years, for a combined breastfeeding experience of nearly 6 years. I'm no rookie when it comes to this. However, I must say the upright position you demonstrated? I have, on various occasions, attempted this with my youngest and she simply does not respond well. She doesn't like being in that upright position. We're definitely having the experiences you are describing... except, only at a single breast. One breast does indeed seem to expell breast milk at a faster pace and she prefers the slower breast. I try to offer the other one when she is sleepy because she's more likely to accept it. I do the lean back position in between times while also patting/rocking her to help her stay focused on the breast but distracted from the flow. It helps, but isn't fool proof. She also doesn't seem to want to stay on the breast very long at a time (even the slower breast.). But then will be mad that she's not on it in a few mins. So I have to take many breaks and burp in between to bridge the gap. Funny how babies are all different... My oldest, at this age, breastfed constantly (literally.) He was basically eternally in cluster feed mode until he got into his extended breastfeeding stage. My oldest daughter would eat and eat and eat and then we would have to be very careful with moving her/timing burping otherwise she would projectile vomit. She would completely drench our clothes, pillows, and bedsheets (or whatever else was the backdrop) and we're not talking about "a couple teaspoons.". It was massive. However, she would only eat every 2-3 hours in the day and 3-4 hours at night. Until She got into her extended breastfeeding stage...at which point she become completely obsessed with breastfeeding and would constantly be at the breast. So, opposite of my son. And now my youngest daughter doesn't want one of my boobies (unless I sort of trick her into it, it seems) and even if she sleeps for a few hours she still doesn't stay at the breast for very long before she acts like she's done. I mean, she'll seem satisfied (if the slower breast) but if I hand her to my husband, she'll be calling for food within just a few mins. I just wish she would drink for a good block of time before popping off. She was born at 6lbs 7ozs and only lost I think 2 or 3 ozs while in the hospital but maintained that weight for her first check up. Our two week appointment was delayed due to scheduling issues with the clinic, but she was weighed yesterday at 8lbs 13ozs and she will be 4 weeks on Sunday. So, weight gain is good. I guess I shouldn't stress too much.🤷🏻♀️
Wow this sounds like my experiencewithbmy son exactly! I am a first time mom and it is really causing us both a lot of distress. Did you find any solutions for any of the issues, esp wanting to constantly be at the breast (but then fussing at the breast…) When does it get better??
@@meredithharris4767 It gets better as they grow bigger, if I am being honest. Depending on the age of your baby, they might just be distractible right now. When they're a few months old distractibility kicks in and even though they want to feed they'll pop off and scream. It just takes patience and perseverance to get through this stage. It helps to give them something to focus on. Some women have had luck with a breastfeeding necklace---basically just something bright/shinny around their necks to hold the baby's attention. You can also try what I described above which is just changing positions and incorporating movement. Get up on your feet, rock, sway, swing, pat or just move around and shush while feeding. Anything to hold their attention until they get into a good rhythm. Just remember never to "force" a baby to feed as it will create negative associations. Take breaks and get them upright and burp them, as well. Could just be they have gas in their upper chest that is making breastfeeding difficult/uncomfortable for them. I hope you're able to get into the groove and that you and your baby find relief soon. Also, hopefully this helps! Good luck!
I’ve breastfed 16 months, 2 years nine months, 2 years 3 months, and so far 8 weeks, yes you can have an over active let down. I can actually feel various let downs. The breasts are actually designed for feeding and pacifying and I’ve experienced first hand when I have an over supply that babies get the milk without having to stimulate the breasts and that after feeing I get let down after let down after let down, so that my baby gets too full and can no longer pacify and the end of the feed. Three vaginal and one c section and no cone heads or tongue ties and good latches. Her tips are still good.
She partially outgrew it at about 5 months. I got my period back at 7 months which reduced my supply a bit. My older daughter loved her pacifier, but this baby just overeats while pacifying at the breast. Sometimes in young babies extra burping will help. Try every pacifier under the sun. Or encourage thumb sucking
This honestly works. Took second try for me and sitting cross legged. You’ll need to have several pillows behind you for support since position is very up right. My 3 week old did better every time I used this within 24 hrs. Instead of breathe breathe breathe gulp, it became breathe gulp breath gulp. Seems to be all around more satisfied and less gassy. Burps within seconds of finishing instead 20-30min stretches of trying to get her burp. Crazy how positioning changes things so easily..
I’d love to see this done w a real life 2-5 wk old. I have a 3 wk old that really struggles w my letdown/supply and I was excited to try this position but w her being so small I don’t think we quite got it.
I was sceptical but after one week i see it makes so much sense. I thought it was the let down but in fact the baby was trying to do too many things at once and choked while eating. Had nothing to do with me.
My boy used to be able to handle my letdown. But as he grows older, he starts to cry while latching and sometimes it looks like milk is overflowing. This only happened after 10wk PP. Baby has no issue with latching before this. Now my boy seems to hate to latch. He probably stop cokfort latching too.
This was amazing!! You are incredible and I love your delivery!! Thank you fir giving me hope!! I tried the position you demonstrated and every issue was eliminated!! Thank you thank you thank you 😭😭😭❤️.
Thank you very much for the advice! I have a question. If I have a very short waist and the baby is too long to sit upright, how do I adjust the position you particularly mentioned here?
I am curious of this too! I have long babies but am on the shorter side plus my nipples point more downwards so it makes this position a little difficult.
This is all good in theory but i have large saggy mom boobs , there no way i can get my breast up that high above my baby’s head so this will never work for me
I’ve had a lactation consultant and pediatrician say that my 7 week old has a tongue tie but that it’s not bad enough to cause trouble with feeding and the lactation consultant even weighed my baby after nursing and found that she was taking in milk efficiently but I’m still having these “overactive let-down/forceful letdown” problems that you’ve described. The pediatrician even prescribed reflux medicine...do you think maybe my baby does need to have her tongue tie corrected? My baby (and me) keep getting so frustrated during our daytime feeds. It’s like sometimes it doesn’t come out fast enough and she gets mad and other times times she’s pulling off with milk running out of her mouth. We tried this position you’ve shown and she still pulled off with milk rolling out of her mouth and then I wasn’t able to get her to latch back on until about an hour later when she was almost asleep.
I wish this video came to me before my lactose consultant told me to blockfeed. I was pumping 10oz a sitting now I’m only pumping 1oz each breast but my baby eats almost 3oz. I cried for 6 hours straight. Now I’m struggling to feed my child altogether and I’m back to square one.
Will this help for them getting less air? My baby is 3 weeks and I feel like he likes the fast flow but I hear him gulping and think he is getting way to much gas and I'm lucky to get 3 burps from him. He ends up being really fussy all day almost colic because his tummy hurts.
Hi My baby's latch was going smoothly he latch every half hour but from week 6 he cough on my breast 2 to 3 times,, he is comfortable while sidelying position..I don't know it is overflow of my milk or something wrong with my baby
My 5 month old has been "diagnosed" with a stretchy tongue tie and a buccal tie in the right side. She is gaining well, and feeding fine but she is SOOOO gassy and eats frequently for short periods of time. I really do not want to have her ties surgically altered. I'd be curious to know if you have any recommendations for a situation like this. FYI: i was told that my over supply and overactive let-down was part of the problem.
This is my second child. I have triple the amount of milk in the right as in the left. (I know this from pumping) I have more than twice the amount of holes in the right side. Both babies choke on the right- never used bottle as alternative while with my baby, just suffered through it... It seems that one side is way too strong...
Two days ago, we ended up in A&E with my 3 day old baby girl. She’d choke on every feed to the point where she’d sound respirated and unable to breath. Fast track to the hospital, she received all the checks necessary, for the paediatrician to conclude that it was a feeding matter, rather than a baby issue. Arriving home, I was anxious to say the least, prior to every feed. But within 24 hours, after many lost breaths, enough persistence and a straightening of her posture (whereby her oesophagus would be parallel to my back), my baby had learned to better handle the so-very- serious let downs. Her episodes began to subside and we both took a breather. It was definitely a challenging skill my little one was forced to master in the first 7 days of life, but alas she succeeded and I’m a very happy mum. The let down is not a myth, it’s real. But the necessity to pump and express to relieve the problem, I’d say is a myth. It makes the underlying issue worse rather than actually correct it. There not only an increased milk production but the infant has not been given the opportunity to figure out this so very important life skill. My advice is start of slowly, express some milk in the bath with your hands to reduce pressure for the baby. Once the baby latches successfully through a feed or two, with slight pressure, she will begin to grasp the mechanisms required to handle the let downs, eventually. That is not to say that choking will completely be eliminated, it’s unrealistic to expect that of anybody.
This helped so much!! Just tried it and he did so much better. He still chugs though, is there anyway to prevent that? I take him off and burp him so he takes some breaks. Also, how do you prevent over feeding, I only feed one breast per session, but sometimes I feel like he'd stay on there forever
This is a great video. Perfect example of how lactation consultants tend to be the most condescending, unhelpful, and in many cases damaging people I've experienced. I understand (or at least hope) that you were being hyperbolic, and that you actually meant that many cases of breastfeeding issues are not due to the overactive letdown. If you actually meant that it's a myth... I mean, there's decades of scientific research that'll disagree. You mention that vaginal birth causes suboptimal structure. But then why do C-section babies who don't experience this squeezing have issues? Could be because of tongue ties, sure - But then shouldn't they be having issues at the bottle, if it's a latching issue? You're quick to blame the baby for having suboptimal structure due to birth, yet the mother's body can't be having any issues? And again, why would the same baby who has difficulties with the breast be fine on the bottle? And no, it's not because all bottles just drip milk - there's bottle nipples that don't let milk out when the baby is not sucking, and tried and true bottle feeding techniques to prevent freeflow of milk. The "tilting the head back" has to be the worst thing about this video, and that's saying something. People tilt their head back because the angle of the liquid would be too steep to enter the mouth, not because "it allows for a quicker drink". People tend to choke *more* when they swallow with their head tilted back - there's that classic dangerous advice from a lactation consultant. I'm glad you're using the scientific evidence of "movie stars and commercials" for why this position is good. Also, the analogy doesn't even make any sense - you're comparing the slow flow of liquid vs liquid squeezed out of a small hole. If a squeeze bottle had a faulty hole that shot out way too much liquid (i.e. a breast with an overactive letdown), even an adult would choke. There's honestly a few more things to point out, like how you assume for whatever reason the baby's neck is tilted forward in a proper football hold when it should be held straight, but I think I've pointed out enough ridiculousness in this video. At the very least, please show more compassion for struggling mothers. Tell people that it could potentially be a different issue than what they believe it is, instead of saying that it absolutely is a different issue and that what they believe (and was probably told by physicians and nurses) is a "myth". And please for the love of god present some evidence to back up what you're saying, because dismissing scientific research and replacing it with handwavy explanations is not convincing.
What about a baby who does have structural issues? My son has a soft pallet cleft, and he sputters and chokes and pops off, milk comes out of his nose and everything... Will this work for him?
Sorry but with both my kids this position just never worked well until they had really excellent head control, but which point they were almost out of the fourth trimester, better able to handle the flow, and my boobs had calmed down on demand and supply a little. Please use a real baby for demonstrations, and explain where mum's hands should be to encourage a deep latch. Otherwise there's theory and opinion but no practical guidance here.
When I try and put my baby in this position my nipple is at her neck, so I’d have to tilt her head all the way down and pull my breast up in order to even get her mouth close to the nipple ☹️
Our profession needs data collection of delivery details, structural assessments AND breastfeeding details (mothers feeding goal AND issues - ie perceived OAL etc) for HCPs and families to understand the connections
Tried the positioning with my 5-week-old son a few times and not only is it wildly uncomfortable and back-breaking for both of us as I have to sit hunched forward with y lower back arched for him to reach, while he has to sit upright with a head he cannot yet control out in space, it also makes him projectile spit up right after the forceful letdown she claims is imaginary. Can rule out the other issues since he had a perfect natural birth, spent only 20 min in birth canal with no coning & no injury, does not have a tongue toe, & latches beautifully. He also fed perfectly until my supply increased around 2 weeks & the letdown bacame so forceful it sprays several feet away. But go off about how it’s not real and invalidate the struggle of us mamas out there!
This video was a life-saver! My daughter was getting really fussy towards the end of her feeding session and it was heartbreaking for me to see and hear her crying because of the gas she had due to my forceful let down. Everyone around me was telling me it was my diet but after the very 1st time of trying this technique, my daughter immediately stopped being fussy. No kicking of her legs, no piercing crying, no red face due to gas, and she stopped passing so much gas. She even started eating for longer periods of time! This video is an absolute God send! Thank you so much! Hope she accepts my insurance for a telehealth visit!
how to give small babies head support
This video is so dismissive of a very real and frustrating issue many mom's face. And the sitting up position will not work for everyone. My baby seems incredibly uncomfortable in that position (and it also did nothing to prevent her from choking), yet you present it at the only solution. That framing is what makes mom's blame themselves when we can't achieve your one solution to our "fake" problem.
Frustrated new mom here..this journey is great one week, then chaotic the next. Not enough milk, then too much, pump but not too long, bottle feed but don’t… i cant seem to win and Ive been working with a lactation consultant (which insurance doesn’t cover). I can see why Moms give up - I’m trying everything and spending soo much time trying to learn how to fix all these issues.
Danielle is amazing and saved my breastfeeding journey with my son. He had a tongue tie release and still wasn't feeding well afterwards. He was choking on my milk, crying and pushing away when I tried to feed him. I had nearly given up breastfeeding, but then I found this video and scheduled a virtual consult with her. She gave me the tools to help him learn to feed better and he's doing so much better ☺️. I am so grateful to have found her!
How did you set up a consultation?
@@xiomarakmail801 if you look at the info of the video there's a link at the bottom to sign up
So my milk squirting out like a gun on its own and can fill half a cup in less than a minute is an illusion I'm seeing?
Having solutions to address the causes of waterboarding baby at the breast doesn't mean forceful letdowns don't exist. No one is saying it's an unsolvable problem, either. Managing oversupply and addressing tethered oral ties, low tone, and position optimization all need to happen in tandem. Saying it's a myth ignores the obvious truth most of us know which is the fuller the breast, the more pressure, the more forceful the ejection of milk is 🤷🏻♀️
11:50 for position
I might be getting a bit ahead of myself here but after I tried this position, it was the first best feed we’ve had in a whiiiile… thank you for that, it was such a breather!
Fingers crossed it works out in the long term!
I have struggled so much with this! I have had three babies and always have a very hard first 6 weeks breastfeeding due to "overactive letdown". I have always had to pump before nursing, lay back to nurse, and unlatch baby once my milk let's down until the flow slows and then relatch. Thanks so much for this information! I will refer back to this when we have baby #4 in the future.
You’re going to tell me overactive letdown isn’t a thing when my left boob shoots milk 4 feet away like a geyser and chokes my baby? Oooook lol. I’ve tried every single one of these tricks plus more, I breastfed my first for 14 months and now breastfeeding my second. These help, but Ive had to just accept that it’s going to be this way for a bit until they grow enough to control it. Which they do. It’s a “myth” LOL come on now way to totally discredit yourself.
in which month does it become easier for the child? Mine is 1.5 months..I am so tired because we are dealing with this!
i’m gonna try this bc the laidback position absolutely sucks when trying to help my baby keep her head straight / alignment and in preventing a shallow latch. i pray this works.
This is exactly my breastfeeding norm! I had so many professionals question me this time because the amount of time baby is nursing or her getting so much so fast. Thankfully because of you I knew this was totally fine and not a problem but something baby and I had to learn together. I also was able to stand up for myself and not be pressured into abandoning breastfeeding.
I’m going to try this, but it is a little ridiculous to say that having an overactive letdown is a “myth”. It’s very real...when my son pulls off of my breast because of my forceful letdown my milk sprays several feet away. I’ll respond to my comment with how it goes for us though.
How's it going
True..I've tried every thing and he is still struggling.. :( I don't think its good to blame other nurses or midwives when this is happening for real.
Did somthing work for you I struggle
Same here! And it’s a big struggle
@@bahamianempress5138 I struggle too and she is saying oversupply is a myth I produce more than my newborn needs he take just one breast at a time and he can not get to the fatty milk he struggle with the let down and he take his head off the breast I tried this position and nothing works she should not say it is a myth because women like me struggle
This is amazing! Tried this with my daughter today and hopefully it reduces the reflux for her! Thank you for making this video! I learned alot!
This video is life saver, finally able to feed my baby in laid back position.
Did you watch the video...? She dismissed the laid-back position as "suboptimal"
This video is a game changer. Are there other feeding positions that might work for short and short waisted moms? Listening to you made a light bulb go off in my head!
Wondering the same thing. Just tried this with my 3 week old son and it was a little awkward, I feel like my torso is super short
Im so excited to try to this, week 8 with 3rd baby and been struggling through feeding.
How about having about 6 letdowns during 1 feeding?. Makes it difficult for him. I'm having to always put my finger on my nipple to stop it while he takes a break . It's been this way with my other 2 babies aswell. He also has a lip tie which makes him click.so the constant letdowns are trouble some. He's ebf,no birth trauma like c section or something bcus he was freebirthed, head is still coned a bit at 9w. But his face isn't tight,his cheeks are nice and chubby. He's 12lbs right now. But is definitely sputtering, fussing etc.
I have a 2 month old who started to become extremely gassy. I have one breast that is an “overachiever” and when my newborn was nursing he would choke, cough, and take in so much air. I was consistently using the cross cradle hold until his gassiness became crazy. I tried the laid back and side lying positions, both made the gas worse. This is the only position that seems to work! Yes, it is incredibly uncomfortable for me but I have some tips that hopefully will help someone out there. I have my baby straddle my legs with his legs in more of a frog position. If theyre in a sleepy state but not super sleepy state, that’s the best because they’re awake enough to pay attention to this position as it takes a little more work on their end. In the beginning you can support baby by their back, but as they continue eating, I have to support more of his neck as he starts to slump from being sleepy. I also do push his stomach pretty strongly into my stomach or he doesn’t have great posture. If this is done right, my baby burps immediately if not during eating. But if the position isn’t spot on, I’ve still had a little trouble with him being gassy but nothing like it was with the cross cradle position. I don’t have an oversupply but my letdown is definitely forceful.
OK at first I was mad when I read this video title. We’ve been struggling for weeks. That was until I saw a proper lactation nurse, and she told me I needed to do compressions on my breast because it wasn’t that hard let down that was the problem. It was the inconsistency of the flow that my son was crying about. Babies love flow! Now I do football pose (big breasts) while compressing my breast at the armpit and he’s fed like an angel every since. So yeah, being intolerant of a fast flow doesn’t make any sense.
Thank you this helped me so much 10 days in and yesterday made me cry he stop latching. Watching this he is nursing again
Ok you are awesome. I havent tried any of your tips yet so I dont know if they're actually helpful BUT you should be a motivational lactation speaker. If that doesnt exist...it should
It's not myth. I've tired everything and nothing works. It's tough and I'm so frustrated..I try th position you say but I can't do it because he's taller. How do I do it wheb baby's back is arched.
Thank you thank you thank you. I was having very active let down that was causing my baby so much frustration and in turn fussy. This video helped us so so much and can't believe the solution Is as simple as position. Thank you.
It's good to have every tool in your toolbox available. But to call the overactive letdown issue a myth is a bit disingenuous. I have issues with both sides but my left is the super boob. Sure, I'd love for baby to get all that milk it's shooting out, but he's going to unlatch and cry no matter what so I might as well unlatch him and keep us both from total soakage. If I did this position as suggested and he stayed on he would get too much and puke all over me. I've watched it happen with both my kids and honestly having them puke because they were forced to over fill their bellies feels worse. If baby is gaining weight fine, it sucks but really it's more of a waiting game. Eventually baby gets older, they belly gets bigger and they can handle it better.
I was about to give up my daughter once I put her on she would pull off and cry and cry this make so much sense I had to start pumping to get her to eat but today I will do this and hope it works will let you know thank you!!!!
How to make this work if breasts are too low for baby's height for this position?
This video helped my daughter and I until she was better able to handle breastfeeding! It isn’t always easy, but it’s worth it! Now she feeds no problem!
This video just SAVED ME! Thank you !
Very interesting. I will try this method. However, what position can I use while bedtime. I used to feed my baby in lying position for few weeks which was going well but since I've had this fast flowing let down since a week, baby is struggling. But can't do the position you mentioned at bedtime, so any other position?
I hope you read these because I have a question! I'm a mom of 2, a gestational surrogate of 2 and a doula for the last 14 years. I would have said I had an overactive letdown with my two kids, who both breastfed exclusively for 6 months and continued to breastfeed until about 3 years of age. I would not have said we had a breastfeeding problem. Yes, they had some difficulty managing the flow, but it didn't seem traumatic, they let both the milk run out of their mouths until it slowed down. We used a lot of flat diapers to catch the milk. In the early days if I would let down in the shower the milk sprayed a foot in front of me. I couldn't use cloth breast pads because I would soak right through them. BUT, later, I carried two surrogate babies (at different times). For the first one I only pumped a little bit for a few months and not a fully supply. Bur the the second one I pumped for 7 months, pumping approximately 65 oz a day but I barely leaked at all and did not have an overactive letdown. Now, I have heard some people say that perhaps with tongue-tied babies, the mother's body compensates by doing the work for the baby, essentially, but I'm not sure if there's a scientific basis for that. I only want to say that, having lactated 4 times, I've experienced big differences in how quickly and forcefully my body releases milk. If you have any insights, let me know. I'm so interested in this stuff.
I have watched several of your videos and have totally agreed with your teachings. This one however, I really don't. Structure can often be the issue but I have personally worked with hundreds of moms, that have had a forceful letdown. When a mom has a FL she also will have an oversupply. The moms that I've worked with who have this condition, who become exclusive pumpers, will usually still have babies with symptoms, if mom is still removing lots of milk.
When a mom has this condition, she will have it with every baby, though every baby will handle it very differently.
I'm trying to understand your perspective. There are so many of your points and suggestions here that I would see as proof of a FL and you would see as proof of the theory being a myth. I am very open to discussing it more if you would like to discuss it further. If I am wrong, I truly want to be corrected.
I do respect and appreciate you!
I have very forceful letdowns. I’m about to have my fourth child in a couple months and the first 4-6 weeks when I have letdown it sprays 6-12 in out, even further with my first about 2-3 feet. None of them really seemed to pull off but they did act like it was just too much and then after I fed them they’d throw it all up, all of it everywhere like projectile vomit it and I’d have to feed them again. I’m pretty sure it was over supply but at the time I really didn’t know what was happening, I thought that they just were bad burpers or something and they always ate after that just fine but I didn’t figure this stuff out until about 6 months into nursing my third. So we didn’t have that problem anymore. I just don’t know what to do with the letdown. I’ve thought about taking this baby off during letdown and maybe that would help but they need that fore milk so I just don’t know what to do. I’ve thought about exclusively pumping this one just to not go through all that again. Idk
I have an over supply and forceful let down. With my first I exclusively pumped but now with my second I nurse in a reclined or side lying position as well as being sure to pump so the breasts aren't too full. It's really helped TREMENDOUSLY! A much happier baby and such a simple fix.
There is a masterclass for oral function you could look into! She has taken it and my IBCLC is actually an instructor for the class. My forceful letdown and my son choking at the breast was ties and torticollis. Both missed by every provider I saw. CLC and pediatrician
@@rebekahw1177 I teach my mommies to take baby off for a few seconds to let the most forceful milk slow down. When moms have this, their babies take in extra air from gulping, making them extra gassy. I have a 3 part little video series on my channel to explain it more. Congrats on your new baby💕
@@athenahiatt9749 position does help a lot. 😁. Pumping first is helpful to get the first most forceful letdown, out of the way.
When you remove milk, you make more milk so for some moms, that seems to make the problem worse. That’s awesome that it works for your baby. 💕
I have measured and get 2 oz in 30 seconds for a letdown. It really can be a thing….
Same thing for me. My baby nurses fine for 4 weeks and then started having issues the next two weeks. Now he is doing about 60% better thanks to lots of suggestions from lactation consultants and hard work on my and his part. I never had anyone say “ok just bottle feed him then” but i definitely have considered it. What works best for me is having him delatch when I can tell he’s getting fussy and let the milk come out for a little while and then put him back on. Laid back didn’t work at all for me in fact it made it worse. I will definitely try this position as well and see if it helps more.
I am on my third baby (almost 1 month old) and I breastfed my first for 2.5 years and my second for a little over 3 years, for a combined breastfeeding experience of nearly 6 years. I'm no rookie when it comes to this. However, I must say the upright position you demonstrated? I have, on various occasions, attempted this with my youngest and she simply does not respond well. She doesn't like being in that upright position. We're definitely having the experiences you are describing... except, only at a single breast. One breast does indeed seem to expell breast milk at a faster pace and she prefers the slower breast. I try to offer the other one when she is sleepy because she's more likely to accept it. I do the lean back position in between times while also patting/rocking her to help her stay focused on the breast but distracted from the flow. It helps, but isn't fool proof. She also doesn't seem to want to stay on the breast very long at a time (even the slower breast.). But then will be mad that she's not on it in a few mins. So I have to take many breaks and burp in between to bridge the gap. Funny how babies are all different... My oldest, at this age, breastfed constantly (literally.) He was basically eternally in cluster feed mode until he got into his extended breastfeeding stage. My oldest daughter would eat and eat and eat and then we would have to be very careful with moving her/timing burping otherwise she would projectile vomit. She would completely drench our clothes, pillows, and bedsheets (or whatever else was the backdrop) and we're not talking about "a couple teaspoons.". It was massive. However, she would only eat every 2-3 hours in the day and 3-4 hours at night. Until She got into her extended breastfeeding stage...at which point she become completely obsessed with breastfeeding and would constantly be at the breast. So, opposite of my son. And now my youngest daughter doesn't want one of my boobies (unless I sort of trick her into it, it seems) and even if she sleeps for a few hours she still doesn't stay at the breast for very long before she acts like she's done. I mean, she'll seem satisfied (if the slower breast) but if I hand her to my husband, she'll be calling for food within just a few mins. I just wish she would drink for a good block of time before popping off. She was born at 6lbs 7ozs and only lost I think 2 or 3 ozs while in the hospital but maintained that weight for her first check up. Our two week appointment was delayed due to scheduling issues with the clinic, but she was weighed yesterday at 8lbs 13ozs and she will be 4 weeks on Sunday. So, weight gain is good. I guess I shouldn't stress too much.🤷🏻♀️
Wow this sounds like my experiencewithbmy son exactly! I am a first time mom and it is really causing us both a lot of distress. Did you find any solutions for any of the issues, esp wanting to constantly be at the breast (but then fussing at the breast…) When does it get better??
@@meredithharris4767 It gets better as they grow bigger, if I am being honest. Depending on the age of your baby, they might just be distractible right now. When they're a few months old distractibility kicks in and even though they want to feed they'll pop off and scream. It just takes patience and perseverance to get through this stage. It helps to give them something to focus on. Some women have had luck with a breastfeeding necklace---basically just something bright/shinny around their necks to hold the baby's attention. You can also try what I described above which is just changing positions and incorporating movement. Get up on your feet, rock, sway, swing, pat or just move around and shush while feeding. Anything to hold their attention until they get into a good rhythm. Just remember never to "force" a baby to feed as it will create negative associations. Take breaks and get them upright and burp them, as well. Could just be they have gas in their upper chest that is making breastfeeding difficult/uncomfortable for them. I hope you're able to get into the groove and that you and your baby find relief soon. Also, hopefully this helps! Good luck!
Thank you for sharing this, I thought my breasts are having a problem that my baby cannot latch properly on it due to overactive letdown.
I’ve breastfed 16 months, 2 years nine months, 2 years 3 months, and so far 8 weeks, yes you can have an over active let down. I can actually feel various let downs. The breasts are actually designed for feeding and pacifying and I’ve experienced first hand when I have an over supply that babies get the milk without having to stimulate the breasts and that after feeing I get let down after let down after let down, so that my baby gets too full and can no longer pacify and the end of the feed. Three vaginal and one c section and no cone heads or tongue ties and good latches. Her tips are still good.
At the end of the feed
What did you do? I can see that my baby needs to pacify but ends up too full and uncomfortable
She partially outgrew it at about 5 months. I got my period back at 7 months which reduced my supply a bit. My older daughter loved her pacifier, but this baby just overeats while pacifying at the breast. Sometimes in young babies extra burping will help. Try every pacifier under the sun. Or encourage thumb sucking
I have this exact problem. It’s so satisfying to know I not alone here!
This honestly works. Took second try for me and sitting cross legged. You’ll need to have several pillows behind you for support since position is very up right. My 3 week old did better every time I used this within 24 hrs. Instead of breathe breathe breathe gulp, it became breathe gulp breath gulp. Seems to be all around more satisfied and less gassy. Burps within seconds of finishing instead 20-30min stretches of trying to get her burp. Crazy how positioning changes things so easily..
I’d love to see this done w a real life 2-5 wk old. I have a 3 wk old that really struggles w my letdown/supply and I was excited to try this position but w her being so small I don’t think we quite got it.
I was sceptical but after one week i see it makes so much sense. I thought it was the let down but in fact the baby was trying to do too many things at once and choked while eating. Had nothing to do with me.
Omg! I love this video! Thank you so much 😊 I am going to try this today.
My boy used to be able to handle my letdown. But as he grows older, he starts to cry while latching and sometimes it looks like milk is overflowing. This only happened after 10wk PP. Baby has no issue with latching before this. Now my boy seems to hate to latch. He probably stop cokfort latching too.
You aren't including oversupply though when you say overactive letdown correct?
exactly. i have so much milk i dont know what to do
is it possible that I quickened my let down using a breast pump?
12:00 you’re welcome
That’s beautifully said. Thank you
I'm having this problem right now. Gonna try this out.
Did it work?
It works! Thank you so much for this wealth of information!
This was amazing!! You are incredible and I love your delivery!! Thank you fir giving me hope!! I tried the position you demonstrated and every issue was eliminated!! Thank you thank you thank you 😭😭😭❤️.
Thank you so much. I hated that the ENT doctor blamed me/breast at a hospital about breastfeeding issues.
Thank you very much for the advice!
I have a question. If I have a very short waist and the baby is too long to sit upright, how do I adjust the position you particularly mentioned here?
I am curious of this too! I have long babies but am on the shorter side plus my nipples point more downwards so it makes this position a little difficult.
I’m also having this issue! What do we do?! I have large breasts that point downward and a tall baby! Idk how to do this with her!
This is all good in theory but i have large saggy mom boobs , there no way i can get my breast up that high above my baby’s head so this will never work for me
It worked for us too! Thank you
I’ve had a lactation consultant and pediatrician say that my 7 week old has a tongue tie but that it’s not bad enough to cause trouble with feeding and the lactation consultant even weighed my baby after nursing and found that she was taking in milk efficiently but I’m still having these “overactive let-down/forceful letdown” problems that you’ve described. The pediatrician even prescribed reflux medicine...do you think maybe my baby does need to have her tongue tie corrected? My baby (and me) keep getting so frustrated during our daytime feeds. It’s like sometimes it doesn’t come out fast enough and she gets mad and other times times she’s pulling off with milk running out of her mouth. We tried this position you’ve shown and she still pulled off with milk rolling out of her mouth and then I wasn’t able to get her to latch back on until about an hour later when she was almost asleep.
Hey mama how are you doing now m This seems like a nursing strike. My son is the same !
You are so sweet! Thank you so so much for this video!!!
I wish this video came to me before my lactose consultant told me to blockfeed. I was pumping 10oz a sitting now I’m only pumping 1oz each breast but my baby eats almost 3oz. I cried for 6 hours straight. Now I’m struggling to feed my child altogether and I’m back to square one.
Thank you, and may God bless you!
Can’t wait to try this ! Very informational
Will this help for them getting less air? My baby is 3 weeks and I feel like he likes the fast flow but I hear him gulping and think he is getting way to much gas and I'm lucky to get 3 burps from him. He ends up being really fussy all day almost colic because his tummy hurts.
Going to give this a try thank you so much.
Hi My baby's latch was going smoothly he latch every half hour but from week 6 he cough on my breast 2 to 3 times,, he is comfortable while sidelying position..I don't know it is overflow of my milk or something wrong with my baby
I so wish I would have seen this before I finally gave up and my milk dried up 🙁 Thank you for making this video.
Thank you
My 5 month old has been "diagnosed" with a stretchy tongue tie and a buccal tie in the right side. She is gaining well, and feeding fine but she is SOOOO gassy and eats frequently for short periods of time. I really do not want to have her ties surgically altered. I'd be curious to know if you have any recommendations for a situation like this. FYI: i was told that my over supply and overactive let-down was part of the problem.
This is my second child. I have triple the amount of milk in the right as in the left. (I know this from pumping) I have more than twice the amount of holes in the right side. Both babies choke on the right- never used bottle as alternative while with my baby, just suffered through it... It seems that one side is way too strong...
To sum up the video: Koala hold also works with fast milk let down
Two days ago, we ended up in A&E with my 3 day old baby girl. She’d choke on every feed to the point where she’d sound respirated and unable to breath. Fast track to the hospital, she received all the checks necessary, for the paediatrician to conclude that it was a feeding matter, rather than a baby issue.
Arriving home, I was anxious to say the least, prior to every feed. But within 24 hours, after many lost breaths, enough persistence and a straightening of her posture (whereby her oesophagus would be parallel to my back), my baby had learned to better handle the so-very- serious let downs. Her episodes began to subside and we both took a breather.
It was definitely a challenging skill my little one was forced to master in the first 7 days of life, but alas she succeeded and I’m a very happy mum.
The let down is not a myth, it’s real. But the necessity to pump and express to relieve the problem, I’d say is a myth. It makes the underlying issue worse rather than actually correct it. There not only an increased milk production but the infant has not been given the opportunity to figure out this so very important life skill.
My advice is start of slowly, express some milk in the bath with your hands to reduce pressure for the baby. Once the baby latches successfully through a feed or two, with slight pressure, she will begin to grasp the mechanisms required to handle the let downs, eventually. That is not to say that choking will completely be eliminated, it’s unrealistic to expect that of anybody.
This video is AMAZING thank you so muvh
This helped so much!! Just tried it and he did so much better. He still chugs though, is there anyway to prevent that? I take him off and burp him so he takes some breaks. Also, how do you prevent over feeding, I only feed one breast per session, but sometimes I feel like he'd stay on there forever
How do you solve the function point?
Is there a way to adjust this for plus size woth larger chest?
This is a great video. Perfect example of how lactation consultants tend to be the most condescending, unhelpful, and in many cases damaging people I've experienced.
I understand (or at least hope) that you were being hyperbolic, and that you actually meant that many cases of breastfeeding issues are not due to the overactive letdown. If you actually meant that it's a myth... I mean, there's decades of scientific research that'll disagree.
You mention that vaginal birth causes suboptimal structure. But then why do C-section babies who don't experience this squeezing have issues? Could be because of tongue ties, sure - But then shouldn't they be having issues at the bottle, if it's a latching issue?
You're quick to blame the baby for having suboptimal structure due to birth, yet the mother's body can't be having any issues? And again, why would the same baby who has difficulties with the breast be fine on the bottle? And no, it's not because all bottles just drip milk - there's bottle nipples that don't let milk out when the baby is not sucking, and tried and true bottle feeding techniques to prevent freeflow of milk.
The "tilting the head back" has to be the worst thing about this video, and that's saying something. People tilt their head back because the angle of the liquid would be too steep to enter the mouth, not because "it allows for a quicker drink". People tend to choke *more* when they swallow with their head tilted back - there's that classic dangerous advice from a lactation consultant. I'm glad you're using the scientific evidence of "movie stars and commercials" for why this position is good. Also, the analogy doesn't even make any sense - you're comparing the slow flow of liquid vs liquid squeezed out of a small hole. If a squeeze bottle had a faulty hole that shot out way too much liquid (i.e. a breast with an overactive letdown), even an adult would choke.
There's honestly a few more things to point out, like how you assume for whatever reason the baby's neck is tilted forward in a proper football hold when it should be held straight, but I think I've pointed out enough ridiculousness in this video.
At the very least, please show more compassion for struggling mothers. Tell people that it could potentially be a different issue than what they believe it is, instead of saying that it absolutely is a different issue and that what they believe (and was probably told by physicians and nurses) is a "myth". And please for the love of god present some evidence to back up what you're saying, because dismissing scientific research and replacing it with handwavy explanations is not convincing.
What about a baby who does have structural issues? My son has a soft pallet cleft, and he sputters and chokes and pops off, milk comes out of his nose and everything... Will this work for him?
Omg this was great and you are hilarious. Thank u so much for making this video
How to avoid choking in the sit-up method?
Sorry but with both my kids this position just never worked well until they had really excellent head control, but which point they were almost out of the fourth trimester, better able to handle the flow, and my boobs had calmed down on demand and supply a little. Please use a real baby for demonstrations, and explain where mum's hands should be to encourage a deep latch. Otherwise there's theory and opinion but no practical guidance here.
Can I try this position of feeding for a month old baby?
How tf is this supposed to work I have a long torso and my baby is 22” and towers over my nipple even with my leg hanging down to adjust
When I try and put my baby in this position my nipple is at her neck, so I’d have to tilt her head all the way down and pull my breast up in order to even get her mouth close to the nipple ☹️
Our profession needs data collection of delivery details, structural assessments AND breastfeeding details (mothers feeding goal AND issues - ie perceived OAL etc) for HCPs and families to understand the connections
can we do this position in case of csection.please reply..
I love your videos :)
Thank you so much!
I wish more women knew this.
Did not work..baby choked as as usual
I tried this right now.. she still coughed and gagged... so not sure about this positioning.. also she seemed super uncomfortable
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽