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Who Was More IMPACTFUL to WINNING: Magic or Kobe?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2022
- Who was more impactful to winning basketball games between Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant?
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Ticket is soo delusional Shaq won with Kobe being injured scoring 2 and 8 points and missing a game while Shaq averaged 38 points 💀
Kobe in the 2000 finals avg 15 points on 36 percent shooting lol. And miss 2 games they give kobe credit for winning that ring unbelievable and ticket is complete moron
Don’t forget to add that an injured Kobe saved Shaq after he fouled out. 🤷🏾♂️
don’t forget that finals game vs the pacers sir
Kobe had 5 50pt games while playing w Shaq…Shaq only had 3 50pt games his whole career.
Kobe made 3 All Defensive first teams while playing w Shaq…Shaq nvr made an all defensive 1st team his whole career.
Kobe avgd 30ppg w Shaq on his team…Shaq nvr avgd 30ppg in his entire career.
Kobe has the most 60pt games of all time, Shaq has ONE his entire career (and that was manufactured because it was basically a birthday gift from the organization)
Kobe made 3 straight finals after Shaq left…and won 2 back to back finals MVPs. Shaq went to one finals and D Wade won finals MVP.
Just admit that you’re a troll…
Kobe fans delusional
Kobe > magic the 00s west is exponentially tougher than the 80s west
so basically Kobe faced far greater competition, in just 3 years from 08-10 Kobe beat more 50 win teams than magic his entire career. There’s a good graphic that shows the discrepancy in parity throughout the years in league history, in the 80s the east was stronger than the west and in the 00s the west was much better than the east etc.
Big facts!!!
@@ModernFiction Sounds like a lame excuse. Where was that tough west competition from 2000 to 2002?
@@syzorst The Spurs had the best recorded in the league those years. The Kings were also dangerous. During those years any team that came out the west was winning the chip.
@Kizamusic Yeah for real. Kings fan here & even there was a tough series, where it had a lot of controversies because of the tough matchup. For sure 2000s were hard.
People kept saying Kobe brought a lesser team into playoffs from 2006 to 2007. Dude, Magic brought a much lesser team to the finals in 1991, a team with a rookie Vlade Divac and injured James Worthy and injured Byron Scott.
Worthy and Byron played all 82 games and Magic 80 games and also AC as they won 58 GAMES in the WEAK WESTERN Conference and that team is comparable to Kobe 06 team with Smush and Kwame 👀
You such a delusional CAPPER 🤣
Weak western conference in 1991? Houston had Olajuwon/Kenny Smith 52 wins. Utah had Stockton Malone and Mark Eaton 54 wins. Lakers beat 63 win Blazers with Drexler and 2 other all stars. Run TMC Warriors if the others aren’t enough.
With Kareem behind him
@@christopherorrante289 No, Kareem wasn’t on the team in 1991
Kobe has 12 all NBA defensive team selections to Magics Zero. That ends the debate for me, its Kobe over Magic all day..
Defending on the perimeter does not impact the game that much. Magic ran an offensive team both in transition and half court, he made everybodies lives easier, and there was a lot of times where all you had to do was catch and finish a wide open lane. Kobe is a better player but his impact isn’t bigger then magic
@@MrSlashblade Defense is contagious though, Kobe playing hard on D effected his teammates and made them play harder. I see what you're saying but Magic use to hide on defense often guarding with worst offensive opposing player and sagged off to play passing lanes, Kobe regularly took on the toughest defensive assignments, thats why I got Kobe ahead
@@marlowstanfield6815 throughout most of the 2000s (even the Shaq led ones) the lakers ranged from just barely in the top 10 to the worst defense up until 2008. So it wasn’t that contagious.
And yea magic played off, but he played a position where it didn’t matter as much, point guards weren’t these 25 ppg scorers, and even off guards didn’t hit 20s mostly. So whether you hid magic or you would have used Kobe to hound a guard, a guard scoring 10-14 points isn’t going to impact the game. They aren’t facing jordan and Drexler 82 times and even if they did neither are stoping either one of the two.
Kobe is a better player and your reasons is one of the reasons why I have him as the better player but the impact, no magic impacted the game that allowed people to do so little on the offensive end but still produce like monsters.
Also he’s a point guard it’s kinda in the job description that he impacts the game more. And Kobe isn’t a position less guard
@@MrSlashblade I agree Magic was more impactful offensively but when the Lakers are playing against the Bulls in the Finals and 6'9 Magic is Guarding 6'2 John Paxon while Jordan and Pippen are lighting them up is a weak move, you have to take points away from Magic for that. Magic was more impactful than Kobe on offense but on defense Magic basically had zero impact at all..
@@marlowstanfield6815 I’m not taking away points because of one series, listen I’m not the biggest jordan fan but we aren’t going to sit here and pretend that isn’t Michael Jordan. Magic to prove himself has to make Jordan’s life hard on offense during his best season arguably? That’s objectively unfair.
The Lakers 1984-85 championship team had 3 MVPs and 3 #1 picks!
you're really using old ass Bob McAdoo to make a point 😹
@@chrilpy McAdoo was still averaging 10 points off the bench!
@@Reefism so 10 PTS is game changing? I don’t have a stance against your point I’m just asking in general.
@@yuhhtempo if Kwame Brown averaged 10 points that Lakers team wins 4-1 I’m jus sayin😂
@@chrilpy McAdoo AVERAGED 9,15,13,10,10 from 30-34 years old as a Laker so besides being a veteran and former MVP OLD MCADOO WAS STILL A SCORER
Ticket Shaq wasn’t a bus rider in Miami he was supposed to win the 04-05 MVP over Steve Nash and lead Miami to the top seed in the east his first year there. He was their best player for the regular season in 06 as well ( All NBA 1st team) before his leg injuries ( and weight) caught up with him then Wade exploded in the playoffs and never looked back.
Bruh pau would have never sniffed the hall of fame without kobe bryant and that is a fact. Worthy and kareem were still gonna be great players if not for magic
Magic, definitely
No he’s not. How many championships has magic won without Kareem
@@aaronrooks2703 is that how you’re doing it. Kareem wasn’t winning shit as a laker before magic. And he led them to the finals without Kareem they just ran into the GOAT
Lakers always had winning seasons when kobe was on the bench and shaq was there. Kobe as a 3x champion, couldn’t even win a playoff series until he got an all star big man. Let’s also remember for his career in game 7 Kobe is 22/8/5 on 38% shooting. And in 5 title clinching games he’s 38-108 35%.
I’m pretty sure If I dig a lil more deeper I guarantee magic blows him out in win/shares and plus/minus throughout their careers.
@@judahmourneth1466 You said Lakers had winning seasons when Kobe was on the bench but failed to bring up Shaq had Nick Van Axel and Eddie Jones isn’t he starting lineup with him
@@judahmourneth1466 You wanna talk about Kobe’s game 7’s but don’t wanna bring up that Kobe has a 6-1 record in Game 7s
@@judahmourneth1466 You talk about title clinching stats as if it matters
One of the few places I see where kobe gets his respect...... he doesn't have to be everyone's #1 but the man did put in the work. At least acknowledge that he has played and won 5 championships, has a winning finals record playing the West when it was considered the most competitive commend in nba history, obtained most nba 1st team all defensive selections out of any guard, etc. Smh. The media is out to tarnish his legacy.
Kobe all day close to mj
@@royalmcmorris1211 he's not even close to Magic, let alone MJ
How old were you, everyone who knew the game knew that Kobe didn't deserve half those defensive selections, including his own coach. Kobe couldn't lead shit without Shaq for most of his career. Magic was a born leader. That's the difference
So MJ got swept in the early rounds. I think Tickety forget his arguments against other players that apply to his favorite players.
Kobe got swept too by Dirk
Imo you can't be the greatest if you get swept. I got Dr. J. Never got swept and won 2 championships in the ABA and 1 in the NBA while being an all star his entire career and as a rookie
@@sambeezy007 🤦
Magic. Magic was 5-4 in in an era that included Bird, Dr.J, Isiah and a young Jordan. This means his teams won the most in that decade. Kobe had Shaq, who was Finals MVP for all three titles when they were together. Kobe did not even make the playoffs after Shaq was gone. Yes, the team was worse, but, (and this is why Kobe is not better than LeBron in my eyes) if you are the impactful many claim you to be, you get there with whatever. It was not until Kobe had Phil Jackson back and Pau Gasol and perfectly arranged pieces that he won again. People overlook Magic winning as a rookie, subbing for an injured Kareem. That 42 15 and 7 game proves impact without a doubt.
I’d give it to Kobe because of his elite defense. Still, you can go either way
Elite defense 😂😂😂
Kobe had A great defense, but Magic wasn’t just A great passer, but he was arguably THE greatest passer in the entire history of the league.
@@melvynsngltn27 tell me about Magic's defense?
@@erikmerced6329 what year did you see Magic Johnson play???
@@rollandcurtis874 great defense when? Kobe's defense was overrated he got his ass busted alot
bro I really hate the argument of "kobe didn't win any finals MVPs w/ shaq" bro shaq literally put up some of if not the greatest numbers we've ever seen in those finals years it didn't matter who his teammate was he was still getting those MVPs and also you can't compare shaq winning without kobe to kobe winning without shaq because shaq was not the man on that Miami team
Shaq never gets his credit for his impact in Miami. Like him and Wade was right there, i ge that Wade was the more explosive and younger player especially around that 06 area but their first few years together it was close. Plus once Shaq left Miami, Miami wasn’t much until Lebron and Bosh got there. Now of course people are going to say well Wade was starting to hurt when Shaq left, which is true but even when Wade was healthy they was no where near championship contending.
Bruh Kobe's first Finals he averaged 15, 4, and 4 on 36% FG. He got injured, missed most of Game 2, sat out a Game 3, and the Lakers still won the series. I know that he came in clutch in OT when Shaq fouled out in Game 4, but overall he did not put up great numbers in that Finals.
Shaw was also playing against awful backcourts
@@Hirotigashi Kobe still averaged over 20 ppg for the playoffs that year was all NBA and Shaq had Glenn Rice a multiple times all star he even made the all star team after playing in LA they had Ron Harper Brian Shaw Robert horry and Rick fox Shaq only wins with loaded teams the next season he relied on Kobe to get him through the playoffs Kobe averaged more than Shaq in every series except the first and the finals they put up 33 and 35 ppg against Portland in 01and 26 and 33 ppg in the finals stop playing like Shaq was so good carrying the Lakers
Shaq was a monster. What you talking about? He was the mvp for sure
I’m gonna have to give the edge to magic, he won 3 finals MVPS with Kareem and James worthy on his team, Kobe got his 2 FMVP without shaq, the other 3 FMVP shaq won seemed unanimous after those finals
Remember, the question was impact on winning. No one is questioning who was the best player on the team or who deserved MVP. The easiest way to think about it is, Take kobe/Magic OUT of those teams, replace him with some other guy. What happens?
Your answer could very well still be magic. But don't discredit kobe just because he didn't win some award.
@@cloudunderweather9554 well if you take magic off the lakers than the Celtics who were stacked probably have more championships, we wouldn’t be talking about the lakers and Boston being tied for 17 banners at this current date, it’s not a disrespect to Kobe when making a comparison with there careers, if I take Kobe off the lakers and add T mac idk if they 3peat but with Shaq being a cheat code at the time there going to be champions
@@samuelpetit6183 one thing magic has going for him is its actually hard to find a replacement for him 😅 And for kobe he clutched out games even when shaq was there, like when shaq fouled out. I can see both sides honestly.
@@cloudunderweather9554 yea that’s a fact your talking about an either or answer these are two of the true all time greats, when I say magic I’m going by a hair, it’s not some huge gap, Kobe was just a beast, magic had an all time great team and Kobe had a cheat code, they both did great things with the talents they had
@@samuelpetit6183 But the topic is impact of winning. Lakers were a playoff team before he got there and after he retired. So the Lakers were still able to win. Without Kobe yes Lakers still a winning team with Shaq but when you talk post Shaq leaving, without Kobe the Lakers are one of the worst teams cuz their roster didn’t have a Worthy or a Wilkes. So in terms of winning Kobe has the bigger impact
I hate the argument that Shaq couldn't win with Penny because they were only teammates a few seasons before Shaq joined the Lakers. Their last playoff series together, Horace Grant was injured and not many teams stood a chance against the Bulls that year. While I agree Kobe dominated throughout the 2001 playoffs and certain other series, he had other series during his time with Shaq that weren't impactful. Even after Shaq, he had playoff series where he struggled or was blown out in elimination games. His supporting cast for most of his career was underrated. He came into the NBA playing with 3 all stars and veteran role players. During his stint with Gasol, he had the best front court in the league and multiple players who were borderline all stars or all stars. Although Magic was the main reason for the Lakers success and made his teammates better, I think he gets credit at the expense of his teammates for his first title. In his first finals, Kareem played as good if not better until his injury, and Jamal Wilkes scored almost 40 points in the closeout game.
I'm a bit confused at your point so r u going Kobe or Magic?
It sounds like your making more cases for Kobe should b viewed better for 1 we can't giv Shaq injury excuses bcuz no1 giv Kobe injury excuses they even calculate his after Achilles years to diminish his %s also Magic had stacked hof teammates majority of career and lastly we can go in and nitpick struggle series on every top 10 players but we seem to only do that with Kob🤷
@@terricarter9435 I'd take Magic over Kobe. I feel like Magic was more of an instant game changer, and the offense was at it's best when it went through Magic. Steve Nash reminds me of Magic Johnson because he was so efficient while keeping his teammates in a rhythm, that it made up for lacking defense. Kobe was more versatile than given credit for, although the Lakers offense was just as good if not better when it went through Shaq or their front court led by Gasol.
@ajw5691 Kobe exploded during those stretches when shaq got injured and it was never ran better thru gasol who only averaged around 15 during championship runs in playoffs while Kobe averaged 27 we gotta b careful of wat facts we put out there and the facts remains Magic had a plethora of HOF teammates not a knock I just seen Kobe carry less
Shaq went to Miami and won and was relevant. 2nd option there too. Shaq is underrated all time
Wait so y’all picked Magic because he went to more Finals over Tim Duncan, but don’t hold that same energy for Kobe? Not to mention Duncan having less talented teams when he won his chips verses Kobe when he was winning.
man people just disrespect kobe
@@evanlomack7165 My brother where’s the disrespect? I’m only asking for consistency, but if that’s your definition of disrespect then so be it. Feel how you feel. 🤦🏾♂️
Put all of Duncan teammates vs Kobe’s teammates in a game and tell me who you’re picking???
@@judahmourneth1466 Kobe’s teammates easy.
@@judahmourneth1466 Duncans teammates easily…he had way better teams
Magic, hands down. Kobe was still a beast in his own right, but his drive to pass Mike often messed with winning overall.
Don’t bring 2006 up if you won’t mention Tragic Johnson moniker.
Magic Johnson was a product of the Stephion Rule. The Lakers shouldn’t have been able to draft him in the 1st place. Both he and Worthy were picks that came through trades.
No it didn't. Him not having help during 3 years of his prime hurt his winning overall. Stop disrespecting Kobe with these fake narratives. Magic had the whole first team all NBA in his starting lineup
His drive to pass mike is what got him 5 rings the same amount of rings as Magic and I'd argue Kobe's path was more impressive he had to beat way more 50 win teams in the west. The west in 80s was easy especially when you play on a superteam with Kareem and Worthy
Magic nvr made an all defensive team and was only the clearcut best player on one of those finals teams. Pau Gasol nvr avgd 20ppg for The Lakers the entire time he was there and Kobe dragged him to 3 straight finals without Shaq and won 2 back to back.
Kobe’s 2-1 w/out Shaq
Magic’s 0-1 w/out Kareem
Kobe had 5 50 pt games while playing w Shaq, Shaq had 3 50pt games his entire career and Magic never scored 50.
I could go on for days but theres literally no case for Magic’s impact being higher than Kobe’s lol thats pure comedy 😂
@@josephschmizzo1595 *Magic nvr made an all defensive team and was only the clearcut best player on one of those finals teams*
Magic never made all defensive team but so what? Magic was the key piece which made the Showtime Lakers successful. During the time Kareem was with the Lakers, they didn't win anything until Magic got there and Magic was the best player for 3 of those championships.
*Pau Gasol nvr avgd 20ppg for The Lakers the entire time he was there and Kobe dragged him to 3 straight finals without Shaq and won 2 back to back*
Yeah let's ignore the fact that Paul Gasol was one of the best PF in that era and also is a HOF and never mind the fact that before Paul Gasol got there, Kobe wasn't winning shit. Shaq already won his championship with Wade while Kobe was getting bounced out in the playoffs or not even making the playoffs.
*Kobe had 5 50 pt games while playing w Shaq, Shaq had 3 50pt games his entire career and Magic never scored 50.*
Newsflash, Magic Johnson wasn't a scorer. Has Kobe ever average 10 to 12 assist a game? of course not because he was too much of a ball hog and not to mention Kobe had a bad shooting percentage. the dude never shot 50% from the field or 3 point in his entire career.
@@jamarmoore9548 *Him not having help during 3 years of his prime hurt his winning overall*
Whose fault is that? Kobe ran Shaq out of LA, Rick Fox is on record saying he didn't like to play with Kobe and left and Phil Jackson left because he said he didn't want to coach Kobe anymore.
It’s a toss up for me!
Maybe I’ll give Kobe the slightest edge since he was able to 3peat & B2B in a equal opportunity system/Triangle, coming out of the stronger/tougher conference compared to Magic
Either way it’s all good
No, the Lakers 3 peating was mainly due to Shaq. When Shaq left, Kobe couldn't even make the playoffs for a number of seasons.
@@syzorst Dude Lakers getting to the Finals was mostly due to Kobe in the 3peat years
But it’s all good! Like I said it’s a toss up
@@Josh-sk5xd Wrong. Shaq was no doubt the best player on that team and it's mostly thanks to him and Phil Jackson's coaching. Now Kobe did play a part but to say he was "mostly" the reason? No sir.
@@syzorst In the Western Conference Finals & in the Western Conference playoffs yes Kobe did do equal the work if not more of the work but in the Finals it was Shaq.
But it’s all good like I said it’s a toss up either way I’m fine
@@Josh-sk5xd Okay so by your logic it wasn't "mostly" Kobe and I like how you left out Phil Jackson because Kobe couldn't win anything without him.
It's not even a toss up. Look, for the 4 years that Kareem was playing with the Lakers, they either couldn't make the playoffs or getting bounced in the 1st or 2nd round but the moment Magic joins the Lakers in his rookie year, they win a championship. That's how impactful Magic was. What was Kobe during his first couple of years? Getting blown out and swept by the Jazz.
Without Magic on the floor that 80’s laker team just isn’t the same. Magic made showtime what it is by putting tempo into the team. So without him they wouldn’t win any titles.
Kobe was better on both ends.
Your smoking Crack on that one
@@melvynsngltn27 What about my smoking crack on that one?
Magic and Kobe could go either way offensively though.
@@benjaminan1183 no he couldn't nor could he lead a team
@@melvynsngltn27 both players led their team to a ship.
The answer is Magic. He literally created the winning culture that Kobe and Shaq thrived it.
@@officialconch ???
@@officialconch ...... But he didn't tho
Wtf?? LOL
Lmfaooo tf
Facts. Only the youngsters who don't know the history of the game would disagree. Magic and Kareem laid the foundation for what Shaq and Kobe would later be able to do.
Magic was the main catalyst for all 5 championships and Kobe was the main catalyst for 2 titles
with relatively less help
Magic had Kareem AND Worthy for his titles. Kobe only had Shaq for his 3 titles, and zero HOFers in his 2 titles.
Impactful, weird choice of words because we know kobe is the better player, so it's irrelevant
Yet he has 3/5 fmvps .. what kind of logic is that
Steve Nash has 2? Is he even on the same planet as kobe? There goes that logic, mvps are politics my guy
Magic Johnson was a party and joy to watch during his era and Kobe was just as impactful during his era!
No he wasn't
If Kobe was so impactful, why couldn't he get to the Finals without Phil Jackson as coach?
Shaq got to the Finals with 2 other coaches, Brian Hill and Pat Riley.
Magic got to the Finals with 3 different coaches, Paul Westhead, Pat Riley and Mike Dunleavy.
Kobe NEVER sniffed the Finals unless Phil Jackson was coaching him. That means he was LIMITED in his ability to impact winning without the only coach who could reign him in and make him play a winning style of basketball, in Phil Jackson.
That's very significant.
@@ManOfYah-work-in-progress such a assenine question, the first time Phil Jackson came to coach the Lakers he came on behalf of Shaq, Shaq got Jerry West to call Phil Jackson, when Shaq left Kobe and Phil didn't even get along, Phil Jackson came back to the Lakers because he was dating Jeannie Buss the owner, and every team wants a good coach, so Kobe didn't even talk to Phil Jackson read Phil Jackson first book and find some interviews with speaking on Phil Jackson the two never seen eye to eye, Kobe after the Shaq years pretty much coached himself that is how impactful he was!
@@lesliebarber206 Uh, no. While Phil and Kobe didn't see eye to eye, Kobe could not coach himself because of his toxic personality. Rick Fox is quoted as saying he wanted to leave a lot sooner than he did, because he couldn't stand playing with Kobe.
Kobe was NOT as impactful on winning as you think and if you deny that, again, why couldn't he even get to the Finals without Phil Jackson? You're saying he coached himself, but he couldn't do that when Phil wasn't around at all, after Shaq left. Why not?
It's because Kobe was NOT a truly great player until Phil came back in the 2007-08 season. It took that long for Kobe to TRULY begin to understand the game ar a high level.
Kobe took a lot of bad shots, made plenty of bad decisions on the court, even with Phil Jackson as coach. I watched Kobe and I remember when Kobe was known as a selfish player around the League. But here you are telling me he's more impactful on winning than Magic. You sound crazy. Kobe, the one with the most missed FGs in NBA history, had a greater impact on winning than Magic? Please. Kobe only has 2 rings in which he lead his team, anyway. The 3 peat rings were mainly because of Shaq. Now, Shaq didn't "carry" Kobe, but let's not fool ourselves and forget that Shaq was the greater player on those Lakers teams. He has all 3 Finals MVP'S for a reason.
Kobe's impact can only be truly counted as the main factor on winning for 2 of his rings.
@@ManOfYah-work-in-progress Phil Jackson was such a cool couch which left Kobe when Lakers was on downfall saying that Kobe is "un-coachable" and came back after Kobe scored 81 points and averaged 35.4. Why that couch did back to un-coachable player? cuz un-coachable player will bring more rings
The two toughest comparisons:
Kobe vs Magic
Kobe vs Duncan
Kobe made more of an impact.
On hurting the Lakers
Easily…did more w less. Magic wasnt even the first scoring option on those teams and he was a horrible defender and had no jumper.
People saying otherwise are just Brontards trolling.
@@josephschmizzo1595 Facts, and I don't even listen to anything a LeBron fan has to say. Those dudes are gay.
@@josephschmizzo1595Magic wasn’t the first scoring option by choice. Put the team ahead of himself. Riley shifted the scoring to him in 1987. He could have done that his entire career
@@kylenussbaum5 thats a bad argument because nobody adds to Kobe’s game by saying that “he could have passed more and racked up assists but his scoring was what his team needed.”
Kobe led his teams in assists too. The arbitrary, media influenced over-valuing of playmaking/assists blinds the general public of basketball consumers.
Magic's west was easier than K.B.'s west.
I can say Magic's finals opponent was tougher than Kobe's.
@@syzorstnope. Def not over 10 Celtics
@@syzorstplus that 1 round vs 3 stop
@@TheSwagIsBack Better than the 76ers or Larry Bird Celtics? No way.
It’s Magic and it’s not close.
Bro pau gasols career high ppg is 20.8 and byron scotts was 21.7. Scott what literally the fourth option. This isn’t even fuckin close. Kobe is extremely underrated
Exactly
Kobe nigga!!! Not even close. Magic had 5 hall of famers in his starting lineup, and 2 more on the beach. Kobe won 2 rings with no superstars.
It's funny people say that. Kareem got to the Lakers in 1975 and until 1979 when Magic got drafted, the Lakers was constantly getting spanked in the 1st or 2nd round and 2 of those years they didn't even make the playoffs. Yet the moment Magic comes to the Lakers in his rookie year, they win a championship. That alone shows Magic is far more impactful than Kobe.
@@syzorst lakers were not purchased by Buss untill 1979 so the team was run like trash.
@@alxfonso4924 That sounds like an excuse.
It's Magic! The man won a chip and FMVP as a rookie. I don't care if he had Kareem.🙏🏾
Exactly
You can't say idc if he had a Kareem. Some people have Kareem as the best ball player to ever live. You sound dumb asf
He didnt win the award, CBS voted to give it to Kareem but changed it at the last minute for the optics. When Magic came back to LA he tried to give the award to Kareem because he knew theyd only given it to him for the optics of the TV celebration. Kareem is on record saying this…
Also Bill Russell won as a rookie, so did Kevin Mchale so did Jamaal Wilkes.
For every chip Magic won, he had multiple players beside him averaging over 20ppg…Kobe went to 3 straight finals and won 2 back to back without another 20ppg scorer beside him. Yeah, Pau nvr avgd 20ppg for LA….his entire time there. Never even put up 20 in the finals.
Even when Magic went to the finals in ‘91…he had James Worthy beside him averaging 21 a game (more than Magic lol)
I can go on for days…Kobe clears Magic and its not even close. Even Magic calls Kobe the greatest Laker 😂
@@josephschmizzo1595 he’s not the greatest laker. Both magic and shaq have more fmvp than Kobe.
@@josephschmizzo1595 Kobe doesn’t clear shit
we not gonna talk about kobes 9 TIME FIRST TEAM ALL DEFENSE???
He went to play with Kobe who averaged 7ppg as a rookie 🤣🤣🤣
Its clearly Kobe…
Hands down!! Magic had everything in his favor. Where was the adversity?
@@jamarmoore9548 my point exactly…ppl act like Magic’s the only player to win a title as a rookie, Kevin Mchale did it, Bill Russell did it, even Jamaal Wilkes did it 5 yrs before Magic and then Wilkes went on to average 20ppg for The Lakers during Magic’s rookie yr where he himself avgd 18. 🤔
The truth is , Magic didnt win those titles, the Lakers won those titles and Magic was only the clearcut best player for one of those chips. ie. He was the 5th leading scorer in the finals when he won in ‘82. And guess what, they gave him FINALS MVP!! and guess WHAT? he didnt even lead that team in assists…the guy who led the team in assists ALSO had more ppg than Magic that series…it was Norm Nixon. Lol
Magic’s career is unbelievably overrated.
@@josephschmizzo1595 GOOOOFYYYYY
@@josephschmizzo1595 you really tried to fk up the narrative by saying 5th leading scorer when in reality the difference between the first leading scorer and magic was only 3 fkin ppg lmfao. Norm nixon? Who was more efficient? Who led that finals in steals with a whopping 2.5 per game? Who had a triple double in game 6 along with 4 steals to close out the series? Who led the team to a pivotal 3-1 lead in game 4? Magic fkin Johnson.
@@KJ23177 Horrible argument lol. Kareem played long past his prime where Magic never did so of course the numbers will look like that. Magic played 13 seasons right?
Kareem’s first 13 seasons has an avg of 27ppg 13rpg and 3bpg.
Magic not only had Kareem he had Worthy, Wilkes and McAdoo who was still balling. The closing finals game where Kareem was injured, Magic fans love to ignore the fact that Wilkes put up 37 pts and 10 rebounds that same game. Magic had stars with him
I love magic but It’s Kobe. Magic like Lebron needs scoring/spacing surrounding him (HOF core). For the bulk of his career The man had Kareem, B.Scott, worthy, Thompson, Mcadoo for Magic to be in his bag. Kobe was a dominant scorer, competent passer, and lockdown defender.
Not really because when he didn't have Kareem, Mcado, Thompson, Cooper, Rambis and a new head coach he was still able to make it to the Finals only losing to the goat. Kobe had zero playoff success without Phil Jackson and one could argue he needed more shooters than Magic with guy's like Horry, Fisher, Devon George, Sasha Vujacic, Ron Artest, Jordan Farmar etc. Kobe's game is better suited for 1v1 but in a 5v5 Magic is better due to his higher iq, passing/play making, better rebounder, more efficient, more versatile position wise and pretty good scorer when needed.
Kobe top 75 teammates 1
Magic top 75 teammates 3
Kobe had a more better impact. Magic never won a championship without Kareem
Kareem did contribute a lot by averaging 13 points in the 1988 finals where Magic won his last championship 💀
@@DgSezn Magic also had Byron Scott who averaged 18 points
James Worthy averaged 22 points and 7 Rebounds
@@DgSezn Magic wasn’t even the MVP in that series
@@aaronrooks2703 Kobe had a bigger impact how so? Kareem wasn't winning anything during his time with the Lakers before Magic came. During those 4 years, he either didn't make the playoffs or get bounced in the 1st or 2nd round yet the moment Magic joins the Lakers as a rookie they win a championship. That's how big an impact Magic made. Kobe did no such impact.
@@syzorst How many championships were the Lakers winning before Kobe became a starter?
Kobe Bryant averaged 15ppg in his first finals appearance
Context ?
@derrickevansjr3564 Context context, yall never wanna use context but now yall wanna bring up context. Man's just said Shaq was carried by Kobe Bryant and forget the context when it comes to Shaq and act like Kobe won his five rings by himself
@@AW3SOM3 nobody won chips by themselves but giving me the series average don't mean shut when Kobe's hitting clutch shots when shaq fouled out. And he was intentionally hurt and missed 2 games and came back not one hundred. Idk who you talking about but context is everything. Idk who said Kobe carried shaq but Shaq definitely didn't carry Kobe either
Ima give it to the guy whos main objective was to distribute the ball , oh and also won the finals as a center as a rookie
Ima go Magic. 80s had much better teams than the 2000s so even though Magic did have better teammates (although Shaq > Lakers Kareem), he also had tougher comp. Also Magic Johnson was such a great leader that players were happy to play alongside him, meanwhile Kobe and Shaq ended up breaking what could have been the best dynasty ever because neither of them could surrender their ego. I get the Kobe argument, but I just like what Magic brought to the table moreso.
Facts
This why Ticket is there to get laughed at 😂😂😂😂 “It was Brons era” “wait so it’s Jokic era now?” 😂😂😂😂😂 SMOKE HIM. Bro is a GOOF.
Nahhh... Ticket the only one that keeps it real, and doesn't have his head up LeBron ass. And let's be honest, this podcast gets its most views when Ticket is on. So shhhhhhh
@@jamarmoore9548 you right, people tune in to hear him say dumb shit 😂😂😂 like Tim Duncan won a ring his rookie year, or Shaq didn’t win anything without Kobe 😂😂😂😂 he’s the meme of the show. They laughing at him. You just can’t see that 😂
@@Cruzinho24 it was LeBron James era . He was winning everything besides the rings.
@@John-jm4nv jokic winning everything except rings right now 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 must be the jokic era right now
magic. He literally won more. both have 5 rings, but magic has more finals and the same amount of rings despite playing 8 less seasons.
He had a super team every year
@@brandonlee1947 not true. Kareem was washed by the final chip
@@marksasunov4057 Yeah "by the final chip"
@@brandonlee1947 Kareem was 40 yrs old in final CHIP
@@Pop-lr6ybstill had byron scott and james worthy
Kobe won without Shaq. Magic didn't win without Kareem. Its completely pointless to now say Shaq won without Kobe because Kareem won without Magic 🤦🏾♂️ chill needs to not argue with emotion. Its okay to concede
I don’t get how this is even a debate, the clear answer is Magic. Guy could score and facilitate, I think he has the highest assists per game for his career. This is a guy that’s get you 20 ppg and 11 assists per game on 50+ from the feild. This is a no brainer…..
2000 finals vs 1980 finals...
Shaq and Kareem were monsters
Magic has two other guys that won finals MVPs in his 5 rings he has all defensive player of the year candidates on his team in the 80s plus Kareem in every finals except 91. When he had James worthy sam Perkins and vlade divac Orlando Woodridge magic always had guys around him the team in the 80 championship added Michael Cooper James Worthy and Byron Scott along with Bob McAdoo and Kareem was there the entire time they won championships
@@SeeingShadows as a Duo not on a superteam like magic though and Kobe led his team in scoring most of the playoff series he played with Shaq being the reason they were able to beat teams like the spurs and Portland so easily
@@gradyjackson8517 Kobe played a part but he was not the main reason. It mainly due to Shaq and Phil Jackson's coaching. Shaq was the best player while Phil Jackson had the experience of coaching a championship team. Kobe was a great talent but had little experience and too much ego.
@@syzorst man shut up Shaq hadn't won anything and Phil Jacksons coaching doesn't win championships it didn't in 94 95 2003 2004 2006 2007 2008 2011 you're a clown shut up Shaq didn't win anything before Kobe became all NBA so Shaq needed Kobe Kobe's the only one of the two to go to 3 finals in a row without the other
You typed this shit like Shaq don’t have 3 finals mvp, league mvp and scoring title with Kobe on the team.😂😂😂😂
@@DaDon357 the finals was one series fool Shaq wasn't league MVP 3 times with Kobe though he didn't lead the Lakers in scoring in every series for the 3 title runs so that minimizes shaqs impact on those rings he had a guy outplaying him in every series except the finals in two of the three seasons they won championships
Lakers had one title in 20 years before Magic arrived even with Kareem. Then once he suited up it was nine trips to the finals in twelve years winning five rings. Put that into perspective. Not including that time he came back in 95, the dude only didn't make the finals three times in his entire career 🤯 That's insane. I'm not hating on Kobe but he missed the playoff more times than Magic missed the finals.
Whoever said Kobe need to stop talking basketball.
They need some OGs on the Panel
I wanna say magic but he had more help
Kobe did more with less
Right! I mean this is a no brainer lol any other opinion is a troll in my mind.
Magic without a doubt.
Negative. Magic had hall of farmers all around him
Magic has Zero all NBA defensive team selections to Kobes 12. Its Kobe without a doubt..
Thank you! Magic rookie year he came in hitting the ground & only thing that stopped him was HIV/AIDS
ur jokin
@@marlowstanfield6815 Kobe defensively is super overrated.
Lol nobody wants to admit this is Jokic era. Only 5 years went by and Jokic has 3 MVPS. He would have had 4 MVPs in Embid didn't complain to the media and Jokic has a championship. He's been the most consistent so far this era and Giannis is not getting past the Celtics while Dame is struggling to find his shot and Doc Rivers is his head coach. Jokic never played with an all star and he has been taking over the league but ppl don't like his style of play so nobody is talking about it.
J Dub you were suppose to kill that argument 🤯🤦🏾♂️
kobe won without Shaq Magic didn't do that he always won with kareem
You guys really that ill informed or not even knew how great Lakers team as Heavy favorties, they have prime artest, prime odom, prime gasol, prime bynum, fisher. thats heavyweight 2009-2015
@@joeymanny magic's showtime was stacked when he attempted to run without kareem in the team he lost to the first timer bulls in the finals with the lakers only winning one game kobe made 3 finals appearances post shaq and one two.
@@123six Tell me, if Kareem was so great then how come during the 4 years he played with the Lakers before Magic joined, his team was either not making the playoffs or getting bounced in the first round? Yet the moment Magic joined the Lakers in his first season as a rookie, the Lakers win a champion and on top of that Magic won the finals MVP.
Kobe has never had that kind of impact on winning, not even close.
@@syzorst if i have to prove to you how kareem is great then you don't know basketball he won a championship before joining the lakers plus he got injured in game 5 vs sixers in that finals while scoring 40 magic won finals mvp because Kareem got injured
@@123six Yeah I know Kareem is great but he won his first championship when he had Oscar Robertson. Point is Kareem needed a great guard to help him win.
Here's a better question, which I feel should determine the answer to ya'll question.
If you replaced Kobe with Magic and put him the 05-06 Lakers, would you be willing to bet Magic leads them to a better reg season record and farther in the playoffs?
If yes, how so?
Magic is one of the best players to make a subpar offense it into one of the best in the league
He isn’t the best playmaker of all time for no reason
Absolutely not…
No not at all ,, I couldn't have seen Magics passes to Smush , Luke walton , Kwame etc amounting to a whole lot
@@Goodguy1ful exactly…
@@DgSezn Tell me which teams he led to 46 wins or better that had a less talented roster than 05-06. Also, the Western Conference of Magic's time wasn't nearly the same as it was in the 2000s and 2010s.
Magic and is not even a debate
Lmfao dude said “did 2006 never happen” as if Magic didn’t literally get called Tragic Johnson after the 1984 Finals. Both are impactful, but it’s close. Magic without a doubt had more help throughout the entirety of his career and Kobe had to face tougher defensive teams. They both could take you to the promise land with the right team around them though. Magic went a lot in his career, but Kobe also went 7 times in 11 years too. Three times straight without Shaq. Could go either way.
Yeah that Tragic Johnson thing was bad but what to Kobe in the 2004 finals against the Pistons? What happened to Kobe blowing a 3-1 lead to the Suns and quit on his team in game 7?
Why do people fail to mention that Kobe in the 3 finals had the best front court in the NBA all 3 years.
He also played against the worst front courts in the East in every finals and outperformed Shaw in the Western Confrence playoffs fully 2 out 3 years and 2 series out of 3 the first year
Ehhh, I’d say KG Pierce and Perkins were a better front court then Artest/Ariza Gasol and Bynum or even technically Melo, Kenyon, and Birdman. Kobe may have guys overrate em, but he was still doing a lot of the heavy lifting.
@mrslash blade I'm not trying to diminish Kobe, but just being realistic and honest.
If we look at Kobe's playoff success with dominant post players, it looks very ennn.
The difference between Kobe and Tracy McGrady as far as how they are looked at in NBA history is help.
Without Shaq/Gasol/Bynum, what does Kobe's career look like.
Still a HOFer. Still am all-time NBA Great. Still probably the 2nd or 3rd best SG of All-Time.
But would be people be trying to put him in top 10s? Just asking.
And before someone brings up LeBron like so many do, LeBron made it to the finals twice without the level of help Kobe had.
@@ddavis8988 I mean probably, Gasol wasn’t a scrub but he wasn’t the best PF in the nba, Bynum was just injury prone and even his talent had a ceiling,
Kobe would have probably been top 10, he would have had some level of talent to pair up with him, and he could have won a title or two.
@mrslash blade Pau is a HOFer for what he did in the NBA.
Bynum's most productive years were those 3 years. They were not winning those 2 rings without him.
If you look at that Game 7 versus the Celtics, Pau played his ass off.
Kobe was throwing up bricks all night. Plus, Ron Artest saving the day isn't ever mentioned.
I love Kobe but in Magic's era.That man was King.
Kobe wasn't the man in his era ? He went to 7 finals in 10 years while beating the most 50 win teams in the playoffs and you could mention shaq but if you do that mention how Magic played with a top 3 player of all time in Kareem, HOF caliber player in Worthy, One of the best defenders of all time in Coop, and One of the best snipers for his era in B.Scott. Plus the competition in the West was garbage during the 80s
@@pradayou5405 Kobe was never King of the league.Magic was that dude fam.
Lol. Kobe was king in his Era. Tf is you talking about?
@@jaywillup 7 final in 10 years, best two way peremiter player in his era, highest selling jersey/biggest NBA icon in the 2000s. He was the face of his era
@@jamarmoore9548 Nah Tim Duncan and KOBE are neck and neck.I Love Kobe but he was never king of his era.
The fact Kobe went 7 games against the suns or even the playoffs in the west in that matter with smush parker and Kawame Brown as starters, bruh 😂
How does this man downplay the fact that Magic played with 3 hall of famers on one team lmao
I disagree losing 3-1 is worse than getting swept
Absolutely
Man it's not even close Kobe's way better than Magic. Kobe played 19 seasons he got to 7 finals in 14 seasons without a superteam him Shaq and role players then besides Pau Gasol you can't name a legitimate hall of famer on the 2008-10 Lakers. Bynum was alright but he wasn't a vital piece to the teams success he wasn't there in 08 the whole season damn near they still won 57 games and he never averaged double figures in the playoffs Kobe carried the Lakers in all 3 of his finals runs no other FMVPs or player outscoring Kobe in any series like Kobe had to do when he played with Shaq
YUP and what ppl dont realize is that Pau nvr even avgd 20ppg for LA…EVER. So that means Kobe went to 3 straight finals on arguably the toughest West ever w a guy who couldnt even give u 20 a game.
Magic had at least one 20ppg scorer beside him for all of his titles except for one (1987) and in the finals that yr, both James Worthy and Kareem avgd over 20ppg.
Pau never even avgd 20ppg for a regular season NOR the finals lol.
@@josephschmizzo1595 yeah it's disrespectful how much Kobe is underappreciated for the consecutive finals he went to with that team not at its peak yet it makes no sense if it were lebron or someone else they would be forever loved for just those two finals rings.
@@gradyjackson8517 YES BRO! Its insane! Ppl were calling Lebron the Goat before he even won a title, when he won his first two titles, they catapulted him ahead of Kobe and Magic arbitrarily lol
Brontards are the worst, most gaugeless, gullible fans of any athlete in the history of sports.
Kobe was more impactful but Magic was the greatest Laker. Winning as a rookie then expectations for the rest of his career
I’ll go with Kobe here. Before drafting Magic Lakers were a playoff team and would go far as well. Even when Magic was forced to retire he missed 4 seasons and the Lakers still made playoffs 3 of those 4 seasons. So they could still win cuz they had talent. But if you take Kobe off the Lakers post Shaq leaving you would have one of the worst teams in the league for years to come
big facts
thats bc ppl didnt wanna play with kobe. everyone and they mother wanted to play with magic and the lakers.
why are we talking post shaq? lets talk post kareem aswell
Magic was better for putting his team in a position to win a game, throughout the game. But KOBE… Kobe was far better at giving a chance to win at the end of the game. In a close game, you want Kobe. And Magic didn’t always make the games a blow out. Kobe often gave you a last second chance.
I think in the 80s the lakers were not less than top 4 in the standings ever. And they went to eight finals and won 5. Having said that, kobe played 20 years for the lakers. Magic played only 12 in total. Kobe and shaq were together for 8 years; 7 of which kobe only had shaq. In 1 in 2004 kobe had gp and karl malone making it 3 top 75 teammates. played 12 years without another top 75 teammate. On the other hand for multiple seasons magic had 3 top 75 teammates. And played 0 of those 12 seasons without another top 75 teammate. Magic was definitely the star/best player of those teams however kobe did close to the same with less help. Aside from the top 75 teammates magic was surrounded with multiple hall of famers and all time supporting cast. Kobe help the lakers win as many titles as magic did. Besides kobe was a better individual talent than magic who could take over a game on its own. Magic definable has the best argument the thing is if kobe would have had more help during his career who knows how many more finals appearances and championships he would have had.
Magic has never had to carry a bad team to the playoffs at all. He's always had a stacked team. Kobe won back to back rings with Pau Gasol. I don't see Magic doing that if he were in Kobe's place. Kobe, and it's not close.
Pau is going into the hall of fame. Odom was a very good player, despite his off court issues. Andrew Bynum was 15/8 and on his way to being a all star a couple years later before his knees blew. Oh and add I’m Rob Artest for the second one. They weren’t a “bad” team. Far from it lol. That’s stupid to say to try and make a point. Lol
@@dapper892 what’s stupid is you saying I said they were a “bad” team. Lol my point was Magic never had a bad team EVER and he wouldn’t be able to carry that team to the playoffs whereas Kobe has before. I didn’t say the team in 08-10 was bad. I was referring to 06 when he carried that trash team to the playoffs. And I don’t believe that if Magic were on the 08-10 teams, the Lakers would get to the Finals.
@@mr.getrighhttt3433 well you said “Kobe won back to back with pau Gasol”, implying either that’s pretty much all he had, or like Pau wasn’t a great number 2…or both. You further backed up that notion saying magic couldn’t do that.
Idk man. Magic was a transformational type player. He literally invented “showtime”, a style unique to the lakers. He was the engine behind a team that made the finals what, 9 times in 11 years? That’s Absurd. He made guys like worthy, Cooper and Scott the players they were with his style of play, energy and his leadership. The question was who’s the most “impactful”. Hard to get more impactful than that man.
You really think Kobe is winning in 1988 with a 40 year old Kareem, Scott and worthy? Who’s facilitating the fast breaks, who’s gonna get everyone involved, who’s the glue? Totally different players man, magics “impact” was everything, almost no one operated alone by then offensively. He had his fingerprints on everything.
@@dapper892they wasn’t a stacked team
Magic never made an all defensive team and didnt lead the team in scoring until Kareem’s 3rd to last yr. He didn’t even average as many assists as some of his contemporaries.
Magic has a SUPER overrated, bloated legacy. He never won without Kareem but Kobe went to 3 straight finals and won 2 back to back without Shaq.
If ur answer is Magic, you’re either doing an anti Kobe troll (which is usually a result of Brontardation) or your a child and u havent seen either of them play and youre just following media created narratives.
Not reading that paragraph Kobe didn’t make the playoffs in his prime and requested a trade
@@benomerovic5515 Magic couldnt play defense…and never won anything without a superteam. Case closed…
@@josephschmizzo1595 magic was the superteam he was better than Kareem in LA than Kobe was too Shaq
Kobe got the same amount of MVPs and finals MVPs as KD. Shaq won every finals MVP he was on the team with Kobe for AND he won a regular season MVP WITH Kobe on the floor. Y’all gassing this man Kobe’s career and use feelings to justify his greatness.
@@benomerovic5515 Kareem was already a champion and a league MVP and he was leading those finals in scoring, rebounds and efficiency so no…
Kareem is objectively a better basketball player than Shaq.
Buh bye ✌️
I’m a Kobe fan but it has to be Magic
Magic johnson won a championship and finals mvp in his first season, Kareem was injured in game 5. ROOKIE magic drop, 42, 15reb, and 7ast.
Kobe slightly edges Magic Out Kobe 3peated and 2 Peated Majic didn't 3 peat will of those HOF on his Team
Stop overhyping Kobe just because of he died.
They love to do that
Kobe Is better than magic. Wtf
@@John-jm4nv Magic is a top 5 player of all time, while Kobe is barely a top 10
@@kaantekuzman4536 Kobe better then magic.
@@John-jm4nv In your dreams maybe, but not in reality 😝
Both players had great teammates but Magic ran showtime which was so new to the league, from what I’ve seen from research. Sorry I’m a 90’s kid. Kobe wasn’t always a winner. His stretches from 2000-2004 and 2008-2010 are great but, but the other years they weren’t even contenders no matter who his teammates were.
Magic won finals MVP as a rookie that's crazy
Magic and it's not particularly close.
Ticket is that one dude that will argue with himself to be right.
Kobe had Lamar Odom, Paul Gasol. Ron artest, Rick Fox Shaq Glen rice Eddie Jones Horace Grant wtf you talking about?
Kobe did win without Shaq, but Kobe couldn't win without Phil. Magic did win with Westhead before Riley
Getting to final doesn’t mean shit .. it’s all about winning
It's difficult to compare Magic and Kobe. Because, honestly, as great as Kobe was he picked fruit from trees that were planted and watered by Magic.
There really is no modern NBA without Earvin Magic Johnson. Not only is he easily was one of its greatest players. He was it's greatest, marketer, showman, ambassador.
Magic made it fashionable to PASS the ball. He proved that you did not have to be the highest scorer to be the best, most important player on team. Magic proved that generosity was a WINNING formula.
Most of the reason WHY you would want to even play for the Lakers is because of SHOWTIME created by Magic and the late great Jerry Buss.
Magic played in NINE Finals in 12 seasons. Won five of them. And even his losses were to many of the 20 greatest players of all time. MJ, Bird, Moses, Dr. J, Isiah.
Magic was so great that only 2 seasons after Kareem retired he had the Lakers in an NBA Finals, with a flickin Vladi Divac and Elden Campbell playing center!
And he did all of that in spite of losing 4 - 6 extra seasons because of the virus.
It's Magic Johnson. And it ain't even close.
Nobody is comparing the 2 🤔😅😂
@@AquariusLeviathanProphecy - The whole point of the discussion was who was more impactful to winning: Magic or Kobe.
@@blackurustrikes2328 Kobe no Brainer
I have to give the slight edge to Kobe for 2 reasons: He was a killer on both sides of the ball, he won rings WITHOUT Hall of Famers, and he lost fewer finals games.
Magic had two HOFERs for most of his rings and only won 3 finals MVPs. But even with that help, he still lost 4 finals and got swept in 2 of them. Kobe had Shaq and that was enough to win 3 rings straight. But with just Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, he made the finals 3 straight times and won 2 back to back.
False Paul Gasol is a Hall a famer
@@MegaJordan323 He is now, but he wasn't as impactful as Kareem or Worthy.
I mean first of all thats just 2 rings against magics 5, or do you want to include the 3 peat where he was the #2
If magic was the difference how did they get to draft James Worthy that high in the first round
Lebron's era did not start until his first year with the heat and ended after the bubble ring.
Yo what video is this from??? 🤣🤣🤣
That was so funny
Y'all are bugging thinking Kobe. All respect to the Mamba but, the Lakers were built on Magic's shoulders Showtime. Y'all throw him in there because his game was close to Jordan's but this discussion isn't close.
Magic is a better player and a better leader let’s dead this debate cause it’s not close
How was magic a better leader
Magic ain't a better player or better leader. You give anyone in the top 10 Kareem for 9 years and they'd win 5 chips too. Baby Kobe won with Shaq yeah but those last 2 chips Magic could not have won those like Kobe did no 🧢
@@savonsanders3955 Magic was alot better than Kobe as both a player and a leader Kobe was super overrated
@@aaronrooks2703 Because unlike Kobe, Magic made his team better. That's how he's a better leader.
@@melvynsngltn27 Kobe is the better basketball player then magic. Stop the Bs man !!!
What is this guy talking about Orlando didn't value Shaq? Someone needs to explain to this young guy how the 90's NBA worked. The salary cap was new. I believe it was around 25 million dollars per team at the time Shaq was a free agent but it was broken. It had no cap on player salaries. So you had one guy on some teams eating almost all of the cap to himself. This is why the 90's had so many one star teams. Because you could earn a tone more as the lone star. Problem was Orlando drafted Penny one year after Shaq and that meant they'd have another superstar to pay a year later. So they wanted Shaq to take less so they they could pay Penny too. Stockton and Malone did this. Payton and Kemp did this. Shaq was like nah I want what Ewing is getting. So they tried to call his bluff and once LA got involved they actually relented and offered him everything he wanted but it was too late. This was a 24 year old who was already on the 50th anniversary list and an unrestricted free agent. Any team in the league would have taken him but 90% of them couldn't. The only teams who could afford him were the teams that didn't have any superstars. LA traded Divac to Charlotte for Kobe and then they could afford to pay Shaq. That's what happened. It had nothing to do with Orlando not valuing Shaq 🤣
Magic beat Dr. J and Moses as a rookie. Magic dropped a 40 point triple double in a close out finals game, his rookie season. How can Kobe compete with that.
This is not even a debate Magic. Stop it.
Lol. Yeaaaa.... No!!! Kobe did it without another superstar next to him. Magic had 5 hall of farmers on his team. Stop playing yourself. Magic was blessed
Why didn't the guy understand the connection
Magic won that close out game against Philly with out Kareem tho
Magic johnson hit game winner nba in game 4 over Celtics with Larry bird and won finals mvp
How many times did Magic get swept, twice? James Worthy won a MVP in a finals
I love the “shaq won without Kobe” argues, like yeah he did but he was not the guy on that team. Kobe went to 3 straight finals without shaq and literally was A GAME WAY FROM 3peating 🤦🏽♂️. HOT TAKE. I’m taking 08-10 Kobe over 00-02 shaq 💯 Kobe Had Pau, While Shaq Had Kobe 🤷🏽♂️
Ticket didn’t listen to the question at all Shaq wasn’t in the question
Kobe a bad man... RIP Bean
Kobe fans are delusional. Shaq was a #1 Pick Kobe Has Two Titles to Shaqs 3 With the Lakers and Kobe, famously shot the lakers out of the 2004 finals against Detriot these brothers smoking something
That was most definitely kobe Era kobe was an champion already he knew what it took to win he was the more established player ppl were still saying LeBron was sceard of the big moments then
Kareem won without Magic (1 championship with bucks)
Magic did not win without Kareem.
Kobe won without Shaq ( 2x times three straight finals)
Shaq won without Kobe (1time. Never made it back to the finals)
If you make the argument "Kobe played with Shaq" then by default you have to make the argument Magic played with Kareem
Kareem > Shaq
Is no showtime lakers without Magic.
Magic won day one year one, finals mvp. His rookie season won it all and finals mvp. Magic all day.