Debunking the Biggest Lie Told About Kobe Bryant's Career
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It really saddens me that people don't take the time to understand Kobe's career and just run with narratives
That’s 98% of basketball fans
💯💯💯💯💯
It’s really sad to me that people think Kobe is on MJ and Lebron’s level just because they see what NBA Players say about him, has the same play-style as MJ and played for the Lakers
@@justnahayo8490 I guess all them Nba players that know basketball better than you
are just wrong huh
Bro he’s still overrated by most people. Just look at house of highlights goat list.
Kobe is by far one of the greatest players to grace this game. Work ethic was on a God tier level
Everyone who played against him knew that other then some media clowns like Wright and cowherd also people Hate on Kobe
Facts it was second to none!
Shot selection was on team killing tier... found a way to lose with prime Shaq.
Naw even God rested on Sunday lol
Boulder Colorado....
Kobe Bryant is my favorite player of all time. He’s not perfect but he is a once a lifetime athlete.
Nah he's a copycat
@@FGPlus He's not a copycat, every player borrows moves from previous generations just like Michael Jordan borrowed moves from his predecessors like David Thompson. Plus there is a lot unique about his game.
@@FGPlus if he's a " copycat " why cant anyone else be as great as him? If its as simple as copying 😂
@@FGPlus why aren't more people doing it then?
@@jokerofmorocco and Dr J. it shouldnt discredit what kobe achieved because he was influenced by other all time greats
Kobe is simply unlucky. People don't understand how hard his time was, he went against more 50 win teams than Mj/Lebron, and played in one of the slowest era's. Kobe's 06 scoring title is mind-blowing considering how low the teams scoring average waa.
That's what I been sayin
how is Kobe unlucky, he is better than Lebron. he has the only 3 peat together with Shaq outside of the goat (Jordan). and the other two titles won them in a back 2 back. only the greats of the greats 3 peat and win multiple back 2 backs. kobe still has 1 more championship than LeBron.
Nonsense. The only other great team of the 2000s was the Spurs. Playing up the 2000s as some great era of great teams is ridiculous.
@@emfbat I mean from a narrative standpoint. For example, when he averaged 35+ in 06 the league average was around 100 points. When harden had 37, the league average was around 115. So Kobe is more impressive, but unlucky because you have to dig for context to admire how great he was
@@JonSmith-hk1bq Google! He went against teams with more wins than Lebron that’s a fact. Also 50 wins in west is not like 50 wins in the east back in the 2000s
There's a lot of instances where Kobe forced difficult shots and missed them and people perceive that as inefficient without really digging into the numbers, so perception becomes reality. I would say Kobe took a made some of the most difficult shots ever in the NBA.
Thats what make Kobe special imo. Yeah, taking difficult shot is not advised in today's NBA (with more spacing and advanced analytics). But during Kobe's time when excellent iso plays can still win championships, making those tough shots made him deadly
If he's forcing difficult shots, then not only is he inefficient then that also made him a liability. As great as kobe was I did think he tried too hard at times to be jordan.
But the problem is that you guys only saw highlights of him making those incredibly difficult shots, and not all the other ones he missed 3/4x. He took a lot of low percentage high difficulty shots.
Cap
@@hansonlee5847 that's what makes him a ball hog.
I was never a massive Kobe fan, and I may not have went to the extent of calling him inefficient by any means, but I’d definitely had the perception of him being far less efficient than what you have so thoroughly broke down for us. I thought he was a juiced up AI, but you have changed my mind and that’s why I appreciate the hard work you put into these videos. No biases, feelings or opinions, just hard facts.
Thank you 🙏🏼
All u has to do was just look at kobe fg% he literally has average shooting numbers he was way more efficient than AI was plus he played defense
@@Joshkiddy15. Also, he comes to practice unlike AI
@@Joshkiddy15. like I said, my perception of him was that he wasn’t necessarily the most efficient, I’m not the biggest fan so I don’t really lurk his bball reference page like I do other players. And wether that opinion was formed on media I’d consumed over the years I’m not sure, but it’s just how I’d felt towards Kobe. And I didn’t say he was as inefficient as AI, I said he was a juiced up AI. I know AI was hella inefficient, I just didn’t think the efficiency gap would’ve been that big between the two based off my minimal knowledge of Kobe
The video does make a bad habit of comparing Kobe to "league average". I think you need to distinguish between that and where Kobe's reputation puts him. When compared to the average player? Sure he's got nothing to be ashamed of. Compared to the greatest players of all-time? There he doesn't come off so well. Especially since so much of his game comes as a scorer when other all-timers had better TS% (both in raw numbers and in context of their time) while their games weren't as heavily reliant on scoring.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq Comparing to the all timers eh
Kobe true shooting is 55% Lebron is 58% Jordan is 56.9% Curry is 62%
There's little gap between Kobe LeBron and Jordan so why is only one considered inefficient?
With the context that Kobe played "better" defences
When people say kobe is inefficient they're basically telling me they didn't watch the games
Tell me your a stat nerd who doesnt watch/understand what you are watching without telling me.
Lol he was tho and routinely took bad shots and kobe is my favorite player
@@jaridatkinson4907 so did you jus not watch this video you’re commenting on or…?
Nah cuz he just was using ts% which can definitely be skewed but yes he was not as efficient as he could've been which is funny cuz he has one of the highest bball iqs in history but didn't utilize it like couldve. Routinely took bad shots because he could make them . if kobe played like he did from 06-13 he'd be top 3 undisputed b
@@jaridatkinson4907
U talking a lot of BOLLOCKS for just straight lying like that u CASUAL bum!
As a celtic fan and a guy who blindly argued "Kobe was a shot chucker" LOW you've done it again and convinced me with facts 💯
I said this in a comment earlier but I'm also a Celtics fan and I hated watching Kobe torch the C's but I also hated watching him retire.
As am I. I respected Kobe as highly as any other great enemy player. I loved how he played, and wanted him to get whipped by 40 when he played Boston.
I respect who he was and how he played. I especially appreciated how he went to Bill Russell for advice on leadership.
It doesnt change the fact that Kobe's missed shots were 1,551 more than all of the shots Bill Russell ever took (14481 misses vs. 12930 shots).
@@juliothom2408 bill Russell avg 10 less points on the same FG%. Mind you Bill was in the paint. Kobe shoots from all three levels. Y’all tryna force it but the video literally proves Kobe’s not inefficient. Most missed shots means you scored a lot and played for a long time
@@TroyJohn1130 It also means you missed a lot, too.
@@juliothom2408 lmao if he took 5 million shots and made 90 percent that would mean he missed a lot of shots
You're doing a smart job comparing Kobe to his peers.
I don't understand how people are still comparing (for example) a 2008 player to another one from 1995 (different rules, styles, strategies, defenses, etc.). It doesn't make any sense.
Honestly most of these claims come from those trying to defend LeBrons goat case. Which is ridiculous, you shouldn't have to bash on someone or twist info to raise someone up. This video and the Steph one were so needed. You da best
Facts
It's because he missed the most shots in history. That, combined with the infamous Pistons series, is more than enough for people to run wild with a narrative. I'm not saying I believe this shit btw, but people run wild with these false narratives all the time. Bron ain't clutch, no bag = no skill, etc. It's all trash
He did miss the most shots in NBA history. That’s a fact.
@@juliothom2408 And Bron has also had some obvious issues in the clutch at times (turnovers, missed free throws) despite cherry-picked stats that people use to try and prove otherwise.
@@juliothom2408 You need to provide a reason as to why that fact should be relevant though, just saying it's a fact means essentially nothing.
@@GenerationalDisappointment I’m not being slanderous or mean, I’m stating a fact. John Havlicek used to be the one with the most missed shots in history. Kobe passed him.
@@juliothom2408 I don't remember saying it was?? I realize you're just stating a fact... that's why I said it's not enough to state a fact. You need to provide a reason as to why that stat is relevant. Just saying it's a fact doesn't mean anything. I was really clear with that on my last comment
FINALLY someone made a vid about this. Been sayin this for years. Kobe’s efficiency or “inefficiency” is nothing but a myth that’s been completely overblown by casual fans that don’t take time to look at or consider the context of era, comp, pace, defenses faced, etc. Kobe’s one of the greatest scorers of all time for a reason.
Sorry. I think you don’t know what people are talking about. Kobe is not efficient, no matter what this videos opinion is. He is changing the definition of TEAM efficiency to individual efficiency to fit his narrative.
No one is arguing that Kobe wasn’t an efficient individual scorer.
We say he doesn’t use his teammates efficiently.
@@juniornostaw7536 Yeah I know exactly what people say. They blindly say Kobe is inefficient cuz they compare his numbers from back in the early 00’s/10’s to guy’s numbers today. The guy in the video isn’t changing the narrative, he’s just providing context which several casuals fail to do. The 00’s/early 10’s was the tuffest defensive era and slowest paced era in NBA history. Kobe was the best scorer of his era and was just as if not more efficient as the other top scorers in that era…Here’s the PPG/TS%/FG% for the other top scores from the 2000s
1. Kobe 28.5 PPG on 55.9 TS%/45.6 FG%
2. Lebron James 27.8 PPG on 55.5 TS%/47.5
3. Allen Iverson 27.4 PPG on 52.1 TS%\42.4 FG%
4. Dwayne Wade 25.4 PPG on 56.5 TS%/48.2
5. Tracy McGrady 24.8 PPG on 52.2TS%/43.3
The Kobe Bryant is “inefficient” narrative is nothing but a myth
@@juniornostaw7536 how he’s changing the definition of the word efficient when he literally shown you the Google definition of what efficient is?
@@easylife6348
Because he made a complicated way to omit/disregard Field Goal percentage as the CLEAR measure for efficiency.
Because Field goal percentage is the is the most efficient way to measure efficiency on the basketball court.
But since he’s a Kobe fan he had to change that to fit his narrative that Kobe had no weaknesses!
Kobe’s weakness was selfishness and inefficient shot selection. This video doesn’t change that.
@@isaacsmith3901
Sorry. It’s a FACT that Kobe’s weakness was inefficient shot selection. I’m sorry you want a narrative that Kobe is the perfect player. But no player is perfect.
True shooting percentage is not an efficient way to measure efficiency. The most efficient way to measure efficiency is FG% and shots missed.
It’s a fact that Kobe has missed the most shots in history.
I'm a celtics fan and when Kobe won those rings with Pau and Bynum and that squad, if the Celtics weren't up by 20 with 10 minutes to go in the game this dude would FIND a way to have it to a 2 point game with 3 minutes to go. I had a friend who was a Lakers fan and we'd get together and watch the game every time they played each other. Kobe would make some crazy shot or something towards the end of the game if the Lakers were down and I remember one specific time I just let out a heavy sigh and said "here we go...". Kobe was a winner and he never gave up. I predicted that he would play until his body simply wouldn't let him play anymore and I was more correct about that prediction than I wanted to be. I hated watching Kobe torch my team over and over and I also hated watching him retire.
He had 3 7fters who could track down all those bricks he was putting up.
@@naswiipp notice how none of them were floor spacers letting him get easier looks lol. I wonder why lebron keeps stacking his teams w shooters and not 7 footers
@@naswiipp most players have teammates that also play the game at the same time. Usually 4
Kobe didn't torch the Celtics in the playoffs EVER. In fact he was more inefficient than ever in the playoffs. Kobe sucked vs. the Celtics. It was the other players that won the games for them. Look it up.
@@theAGSN you didn't watch this video
“Kobe is inefficient” is what happens when people listen to Nick Wright or only look at surface level stats.
Kobe is an overrated defender and I said what I said he was never a good playoff performer either still a legend either way but man you Kobe Fanboys are something else 💀
@@deetheoriginal3117 He has 9 all-defensive 1st team selections so how isn’t he if the NBA said he is? So we supposed to take your word over the NBA’s a random TH-camr who can’t dribble in real life? Right😂😂😂
@@stephordless8876 what are you even talking about bro you're just saying a whole lot of nothing 💀
@@deetheoriginal3117 Saying that he isn’t a great defender when only He (Kobe) and 3 other players in NBA history made 9-first team selections. Is saying a whole bunch of something? Stfu and go flip my burgers🤦🏽♂️🤣🤣
@@stephordless8876 that was one of the most corniest/cringest jokes I ever heard go flip my burgers is wildd bro just grow up and touch grass plz 💀
It really makes me upset that the standard of basketball excellence in the 2000s and early 2010s has to suffer so much hate even after his passing. Rest up mamba, the real ones know how great you are.
Kobe played in the FG% Era, where people judged 50% shooting as efficient. This isn't 1993 it's wrong way to evaluate scoring efficiency.
Actual efficiency is how many Points a player extracts per possession or total shot attempts.
Kobe for the Regular Season has a HIGHER Career Relative True Shooting Percentage than both Dwyane Wade and Hakeem Olajuwon.
In the playoffs, Kobe has a HIGHER Career Defense Adjusted True Shooting Percentage than Larry Bird, Giannis, Duncan, Harden.
It is bizarre that he gets compared to people Allen Iverson or Russell Westbrook who -2% against their defensive opponent quality in the playoffs for their careers, when Kobe was +3% against his opponent defensive quality.
I blame the Boston-centric ESPN media of the 2000s for this…. Guys like Bill Simmons, Henry Abbott, and their ilk. Simmons would cherry pick and loudly broadcast stats like Kobe’s 6/24 FG game in the Finals, failing to mention the game was a defensive slug fest and he had 15 boards that game to seal the win over the Celtics. That’s just one example. I agree that people are just dumb.
Thank you for making this video LOW. Kobe has always been either at or above league avg in efficiency even w his career fg% being 45 and that's bc it counts his last 3 yrs and his first 3 years in the league where he was not even in his prime.
He also played fewer games and took fewer shots having less effect on his numbers.
Also his 3rd year in the league is among his best seasons in fg%
Before his past 3 seasons it was closer to 46%
@@jason15212 still not elite and thus inefficient for an all time great.
@@bboywolf no it isn’t.
His FG% is like 3% higher than AI but I never hear that AI is a inneficient volume scorer lol
Before the numbers you said “ when watching Kobe you never felt like he was inefficient “ and for me it’s that simple. Kobe got his in the flow of the offense I never thought he was forcing the issue. So when people bring this up I have no choice but to assume they only talking numbers cause eye test told me other wise with some small black eyes.
He forced _some_ shots up in his pre-title Frobe days, but rarely if ever more than a couple in one game. The Utah WCSF in '98 being 'that one time when he was 18' that every goon has to point to because there isn't anything else like it.
There's also nothing in the stat-sheet that says how often a player is double-or-triple teamed....
Given the era he played in his efficiency was above average. You put him in a more spaced out era he along with many greats of that era would be more efficient.
bill russell 44% shooting during the finals in the 60s was normal during that era. during the 60s 40% from the field was normal. people dont and have never cared about what the league average is in effiecency for a certain era.
Umm no
not true.. Paul Pierce, D Wade, Vince Carter, T Mac... had better efficiency..... him and AI didn't have great efficiency
Jordans prime was 10 years before Kobes and he was much more efficient. Obviously a high standard and both are all time greats, but see how the "eras" argument makes no sense?
@@ZachForcier well, it does, in the vid it's shown that Kobe faced toughter defense, plus but MJ had only 1.9% of an increase in ts%
03-06 was the best kobe I’ve ever seen imo lol he was tearing up the league like it was nothing in the toughest western conference
Facts
Shaq carried Kobe to them 3 rings and let's keep it 💯 Kobe had a prime Shaq on his team
@@deetheoriginal3117 u must have a smooth brain
@@YourrKap 💀
@@deetheoriginal3117 first of all the lakers didn’t win from 03-06 and secondly ring two and three Kobe was averaging like like 28ppg and was the closer…. Idk how you get carrried at 28ppg.
Can’t stand the slander this man gets. One of the greatest to ever play the game 🙏
3rd in my eyes
Edit: I now have him at 8
@@legendarywiimaster top 5 or 10 imo
@@juicybiscuit527 Bruh LeBron is greater, your IQ is low. LeBron beats Kobe in almost every accolade or stat
One of the greatest selfish shooters ever to play.
@@theAGSN if your calling Kobe selfish your calling MJ an even bigger ball hog people forget how many assists Kobe has.
I think the problem is that when Lakers fans started calling Kobe the GOAT so people pointed out how he couldn't be the GOAT when MJ had the same game except did it more efficiently. And that spiraled into this misconception that Kobe was inefficient, especially when the LeBron fans joined in.
I don't remember anyone trying to claim that Kobe was anything but the Greatest *LAKER*.
There was no Nick Wrong or the like claiming he was better than Jordan. It's obviously ridiculous.
Kobe and MJ game are nothing a like. The mamba mentality is not the same as Jordan’s game. Jordan’s game is way way way more efficient. Less difficult shots. Jordan’s game was getting to his spots and doing a signature fade away.
Kobe shot selection was FAR more inefficient
@@juniornostaw7536 so I’m gonna guess you didn’t watch the video 🤦🏽♂️
@@RaulMartinez-gd3pw
So I’m gonna guess you’re nothing but a Kobestanian.
The video was so dumb I went straight to comments AFTER!
Stupid individual stats I’m a TEAM game…
Only dumb Kobe fans would fall for that logic!!!
I don’t need stats to tell me Kobe was good 1 on 5 scorer.
He was still an inefficient hog most his career
@Stone Colds And so what bleacher report says he is 14. You would believe Bears can fly wouldn't you? Facts are Kobe is a 5 time champion who never left his team while you Lebron fan who recruits star players to team up with to win and still loses with a 4-6 Finals record. What you talking about? Kobe shot 60% against Lebron one on one. Kobe was never a side kick. How is it a sidekick would score 48 points against the Spurs and Shaq would have 14. The media can tell guys like you anything and you would fall for it.
I had the privelage of witnessing Kobe Bryant play for his entire career and he was nothing short of amazing! Also, I saw a stat that showed Kobe had a higher post efficiency rating than Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett from 2005-2013. At age 34 Kobe led the entire NBA in post efficiency rating.
So only after Timmy and KG's primes were nearly gone. Nice...
@@QuestionEverything562 lol u bum. Kobe was same age as they were. 😭🤣 the amount of cope from you
@@rockysalvatore435 Timmy had won 4 titles as the main man before Kobe ever led any of HIS Lakers teams to a title. And KG and Timmy are both older than Kobe. Timmy D and KG were both better post players than Kobe when their primes are factored in. Gtfo here Kobestani radical 🤡
@@QuestionEverything562 except David Robinson was better and decided to take a backseat just so SA can age gracefully as a franchise. None of Timmy MVP comes close to Robinson one. Also Timmy never lead teams as untalented as Robinson's to finals. Let's just forget Timmy never had a huge shakeup to his teams and had to give up his best asset.
Let's just ignore TP and Manu and Pop
@@QuestionEverything562 oof you sound racist lol. Make an African country into a parody like that. I dare you
You can tell a lot of people didn’t watch the first part about ts % versus fg% as everyone claiming he is inefficient keep using fg%. There is more to efficiency than fg%
Compare his TS% to Lebron, to MJ, to other greats. His fans say he is top 5 if not top 3. Then compare his TS% to the top 5, or top 3.
@@shorewallKobes true shooting percentage is only 1 percent lower than Jordan's and the same as Tim Duncan's. The fact that he had the same true shooting percentage as Tim Duncan while averaging way more ppg means he was more efficient than Tim Duncan..
People literally don’t know the difference between efficiency and accuracy. They look at his shooting percentage and think that’s how efficient he is.
I'd like to add further context. Players such as Dwayne Wade and Lebron are primarly "slashers" guys like Tim Duncan were "post players" and Jordan rarely took 3 point shots due to his era with the exception of the '92 NBA Finals performance vs the Blazers. Simply put the inefficient tag on Kobe doesn't hold any weight at all. If somebody doesn't like Kobe Bryant that's fine I rather them outright just say that than LIE and push a false narrative due to their disdain for an All-Time great legendary player, and basketball savant.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. What difference does that context make?
@@JonSmith-hk1bq lol exactly
And a basketball God
Yet another one of your videos that proves the "experts" don't know what they are talking about. Very well done and thanks for sharing.
Pundits and commentators aren’t experts, they’re entertainers. Analysts look at TS% over FG% as standard.
cause they are not experts they want more views like always :D
Y’all are on LOWs D bro😭 this video doesn’t prove anything other than Kobe was better than league average which should be obvious. He’s still inefficient compared to other all time greats
@@dododump3144 Do you have any data to back up that opinion or are you just going by the eye test? You may want to watch the video again and pay closer attention to the comparisons that were made.
@@dododump3144 you watch the video with your ass or something, cause he showed how is he compared to the other stars too so watch it better.
I'm gonna be real Idk when it was cool to hate on Kobe's legacy but it really gets on my nerves. I remember when he retired everyone was collectively saying their praises. Some were saying he's top 5 or top 3 and no one would look at you crazy. But since like 2018 ish Kobe has gotten hella disrespect for being "inefficient" or "overrated" and it's just insane to me. LOW always keep it real with the facts so props to this video.
It became cool when he died
Kobe was always super polarizing.
Was one of the most openly disliked players in the league around 06 and pulled it back with the 2 Pau championships.
Obviously his softening up in his later years + the legacy coverage after his death, he definitely got an excessively rosey media lense for a few years.
This video comparing him to league average TS% is just almost a comical defense attempt.. like he's slightly more efficient than league average, wow ..
Incredible player, but when people throw him in their top 5 I just laugh
But now when he's dead now everyone acting like they know about Kobe or were fans of Kobe like that's annoying too
@@EzekielDBarrett excayly hes not ineffecient byut compared to other nba all time greats you know the top 3 or 5 or 7 players he is.
It's the folks that put him in the Top 3 and Top 5 that have invited the scrutiny. Frankly, he just doesn't belong there and there are easy arguments as to why he doesn't belong there (such as his efficiency lacking in direct comparison to other elite all-timers, especially as a primary scorer). If his post-retirement/post-mortem reputation had landed him where he realistically belongs, on the bubble for Top 10, then there wouldn't be so much legitimate pushback because it wouldn't be necessarily to deflate the narrative-driven aspect of his reputation.
I am really just thankful you made this video. I grew up watching Kobe and legitimately never could wrap my head around that narrative. I never sat down and did the research like this but just watching him play it was never “let him shoot” we yell Kobe when we shoot for a reason. Sitting down and watching his competition you subconsciously take the defense being played on him and what the game was like at the time into consideration and it’s baffling to me that so many people make that argument. Kobe was a dog in arguably the hardest conference in nba history, he had a million moments against some of the greatest teams all time and consistently played them better than anyone else played them and for lack of better words it really pisses me off how much lack of context there is to that argument. Kobe had the greatest scoring game of all time and I don’t want to be hyperbolic but it was on par with who he was as a scorer. When Kobe dropped 81 everyone was in awe but no one was shocked. Kobe was a threat 100% of the time with and without the ball and it kills me that everything is just boiled down to pure numbers that aren’t even applicable to when he was playing while none of his contemporaries face the same criticism
He also has the most assist for a sg, and made like 12 all-defensive teams
Yet he’s 151st all time in assists per game, averaging the same number of assists as Devin Booker. Playing a long time will do that.
@@waitwhat7354 he played in slower pace era while getting those dimes players today got more shooter friendly offenses that don't hafta dump it off to a unskillful big man unless they wide open for a dunk
@@mxhughes less than 5 assists per game is less than 5 assists per game…
@@waitwhat7354 that's alot when most shooting guards dish out 3 at best on average unless they were a ball dominant playmaker in that era and this is problem with new generation fans you dudes judge players of old stats,team assembling n actions by today's standards and you can't do that otherwise your points are invalid
Kobe didn't deserved 12 selections to the defensive team, sum were based on influence rather actual defense
from 00-13 Kobe averaged 29ppg on 49%FG making some of the toughest most covered shots. insanely impressive. people add in his years on the bench and last years injured giving him 25ppg on 45% career. his peak was godly
Where do you get the 49% FG% from? Isn't it closer to like 46%?
And on top of that he was an elite defender every year.
@@jflexys5114 WHY DO YOU PEOPLE FETISHIZE INCREMENTAL DIFFERENCES IN FREAKING FG % WATCH THE DAMN GAME!!!
Eye test first
then look at the numbers to see if there's a wide discrepancy between what you SEE and what the #s say.
This HYPER-fixation on analytics rather than the SPECIFIC EVENTS OF THE GAMES is destroying sports. It's ruined baseball and it's ruined basketball - 3s and dunks. No imagination.
Does that matter if he shot for 40% in the finals and had to be always bailed out by someone?
Kobe shot an abysmal 44% for his career. Not 45%.
And in the finals he was even worse at 41%. He is not a GOAT.
Another lie told about kobe is that shaq carried him for his 3 rings, I don’t know how this is always brought up to this day.
Mind kobe won to more without him, while shaq left to play with nash, lebron, and the superteam celtics.
Kobe gave 22 5 5 for those 3 seasons, and arguably got better in the playoffs.
In 2001 kobe gave you 29 6 5 for the reg and improved during the playoffs and gave you 32 7 6 for the first rounds. Had more points higher offensive ratting, per, and higher true shooting with less turnovers.
We don’t say this for Scottie, Kyrie, Wade, Middleton, but we always do it for kobe
Shaq scored more on less shots
Shaq didn't carry Kobe.
However, Shaq was the best player on those championship teams.
I mean I get it people love Kobe but the fact is during this time Shaq was the guy.
@@HaveFunLosingBro yeah shaq is the man of the team but casual bronsexual acting like Kobe is a Scottie when he actually already better than Scottie and putting up number that Scottie could never do with MJ Shaq is Superman Kobe is Batman I agree shaq is the best player in those year but Kobe was no scrub and he wasn’t even in his prime with shaq and don’t forget those spurs serie that Kobe destroyed
Who was finals MVP in those years like in 00,01,02 it dang sure wasn't Kobe and yes ik he won some rings without Shaq
@@deetheoriginal3117 That's such a dumb comment. Just because Shaq was the better player and won the 3 Finals MVP, does not mean Kobe was carried.
Thank you. I'm tired of the Kobe slander claiming he's "inefficient" for his ENTIRE career. Dude WAS efficient, along with being the second best scorer all time, while facing the stiffest competition OF ALL TIME
Go back rewatch games instead of looking at box scores kobe was a ballhog who never made 1 teammate better
He's Not Efficient bro quit d riding
@@arizonaFIREent Ignorant lol.. there’s plenty of guys Kobe made better, just look at the difference in Gasol from 2008 against the C’s to 2010.. he was a completely different player and he’s even said Kobe was the one that got him ready. But of course you think make someone better means getting assists. Even then he still avg 5 assists per game for his career
@@arizonaFIREent making a teammate better is not an assist stat, making your teammate better is not a stat at all, you can not measure that. In practice Kobe used to trash talk his teammates to get them angry and playing harder/ building their intensity. He undoubtedly made his teammates better.
He’s not the second greatest scorer
Appreciate the time and effort in this video. Very well done.
In my opinion Kobe’s shot attempts were always SOOOO difficult. This reason alone has always bugged me about the “efficiency” debate
Well it's not the only thing. Now you realize why some were so tough
I’m in the middle on this one. When comparing him to Jordan, yes, he was more inefficient than MJ. But Kobe played in one of the toughest defensive eras.
kobe's best years were in the 2000s where almost everyone was inefficient, it was just the playstyle, but his efficiency was above average compared to everyone else that took a lot of jumpshots in that era
Thanks to playing alongside shaq in the Triangle offense.
Same people who call Kobe inefficient are the same people who say Kobe was a ballhog, even though he averaged ~5asts per game for 19 years as a primary scorer. Meaning his job was to shoot and score, not pass and playmake, but he still did.
@@deetheoriginal3117 More basketball knowledge than you do. Different players on a given "team" have different roles and responsibilities. For instance, the NBA wasn't always 'position-less'. Different positions had different roles and it wasn't common to just give the best player the ball and let them do as they please. SG was a scoring role, PG was a facilitating role. My proof? The rise in usage rate of players over the last 5-10 years. But you probably don't even know what Usage rate is. Read a book, watch a video, listen to some older players talk about the difference between their era and today's era. The game is different from the 00s. Kobe's job was to score because Derek Fisher avg 8pts wasn't gonna win you games. Clown.
@@09lowkey All faxx bro.
@@09lowkey 😭😭😭 you just Merced him
@@deetheoriginal3117 You can’t name a shooting guard in history with more assists than Kobe Bryant.
@@deetheoriginal3117 He was the facilitator of Phil Jackson’s triangle offense. That’s basic knowledge. Kobe was a world class playmaker.
THANK YOU!!! This video is long over due. There's some much unnecessary hate towards Kobe by the media and people who never watched him play in his prime
Where?
@@justincha4973 ESPN had Kobe ranked 8th or 9th... he's top 5
@@Young_Dab lmao he's in top 10. You're crying cause he's not in top 5. It not like they put him outside of the top 10 if they did that would disrespectful but Godley omg lmao
@@justincha4973 Kobe is top 5 lmao ESPN needs their ass whoop for placing him out top 5, that's like placing Jordan out of top 3.
@@Young_Dab ok if you say so....
Just imagine “Prime Kobe” in today’s league bro. He would be killing niggas just like he did before, he probably would be even more lethal in today’s league. Im probably biased cause he’s my favorite player ever but it’s just my opinion.
You are biased, but he would be better. Because we are out of the heroball era. He'd probably shoot more threes, and run the pick and roll like Harden, instead of trying to iso one on one and take contested long twos. Same problem that Melo had. They were products of the 2000s Heroball Era.
@@shorewall Harden isn't a pick & roll scorer very terrible at it tbh.
all time greats would be killing mfs in any era
Thank you the fact Kobe carrer true shooting percentage is 55% which is literally league average, along with playing in one of if the not the greatest defensive era of all time.
Along entering the league as a teen or dealing with injuries.
Kobe hate
Harden shoots 44 % in his career but no one says he's inefficient and Kobe shot a similar percentages then other volume scorers like tmac ray Allen and pierce etc
Another thing I want to say is if Kobe played in today's NBA with better spacing, more 3s, and more offensive freedom he'd be even more efficient than he was in the 00s. I'd say consistently avg 30-32 ppg on like 57% TS
@@tj5180 Kobe has a higher FG for his career than harden in 2019, but naw he sucks bro
So you're saying Kobe is average?
@@tj5180 Because he has a true shooting percentage of 61 percent lmao.
What’s sad is that some people don’t even have this man on their top ten list. For someone who averaged 25 points a game for his career and had 81 points In one game it’s just depressing. Kobe Bryant was really underrated, especially in his prime because he only won one NBA MVP award in 2007-08 when he probably really should have won about three or four. Kobe, in my opinion is the fifth greatest player of all time. The only players ahead of him: Micheal Jordan, LeBron James, Bill Russell, and Magic Johnson. That’s it. Bryant had a crazy worth ethic and would get up at 4 am to get in the gym. He’s honestly the most hard working player in NBA history.
Bill Russell isn’t better than Kobe💀he’s barely greater and only cuz of rings and his impact but definitely not better, how’s Kareem not top 3? Kareem is not doubt above magic🤦🏾♂️, and again bill only got rings over Kareem, even tho this is your opinion it’s clearly flawed
Well said man i also have bryant 5th on my all time top 10 list
Kobe is easily top 5. I can go all day and night with actual facts that proves his name is up there with LeBron and Jordan
Kobe Bryant underrated? Bro What are you talking about people compare him to Jordan And LeBron and he's also considered to be top 5-10 players of all time so idk where u get underrated from?💀
You are clinically insane to have Bryant over Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. You are truly disrespectful to have Bryant over Tim Duncan. You are deluded to have Bryant over Shaquille O'Neal. You are racist towards white people to have Bryant over Larry Bird.
Right! Thanks soo much for doing this. Been making most of these same points for years but the way you broke it down and laid it all in a way everyone could comprehend is superb 👌 👏
THANK YOU to and YOUR TEAM. Most ppl(the masses) just regurgitate things they hear without doing any research/analysis. Any hypothesis/Theory should be able to with stand the rigors of strenuous testing if it is indeed true. You my brother, and your team are true syllogist.
Ps. Sorry for screaming 😂 it’s just refreshing when you actually get people who don’t blindly follow something to fit there biases or agenda without proper research, cheers to you mate.
another thing that im baffled about is the fact that many people didn't put kobe top 10 because he is inefficient when during his prime those same people thought he was at least top 3. even if we saw love during his passing, I'd say kobe is one of the most disrespected star in nba history
He isn't, sorry.
1. MJ
2. Russell
3. LeBron
4. Magic
5. Kareem
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Hakeem
9. Shaq
10. Wilt
11. Kobe
12. Curry
@@QuestionEverything562 This is one of the dumbest lists I’ve seen in a while. I’m sorry😂 At least the Jordan one makes sense tho
@@rchamp247 Let's see your rètarded top 5 Kobe list then lol.
@@rchamp247 lmao still got no list huh? Typical casual dipsh** NBA fan 💀✌
@@rchamp247 1. Mj
2. Kareem
3. Bron
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8.Kobe
9.bill Russell
10. Hakeem/Steph
The only time I would ever say Kobe was inefficient is when compared to other greats of the game, like MJ, Bron and so on. Even then I wouldn't say "inefficient" but simply less efficient.
None of that takes away from his greatness though
I wonder if Kobe's midrange was more efficient than LeBron's. Kobe took a lot of desperation longer range shots over many defenders and that hurt his numbers. Much of LeBron's efficiency comes from the same efficiency that other big men have: getting shots very close to the basket. His midrange game is actually far inferior to MJ's.
@@megavolt67 LeBron's never been a great shooter (excluding a few outlier seasons); it's no secret. Yes, Kobe's mid-range percentages are better, but they pale in comparison to MJ's, or even those of guys like KD, Kawhi and CP3.
Regardless, though, LeBron had historic inside scoring stats that rival the greatest big men even in the slowest and most defensively oriented era of the NBA, which ultimately compensates for his unimpressive long-range shooting splits. Even so, LeBron's greatest 3p% season is still better than Kobe's best, and he has an overall higher career percentage from 3.
@@BlueGrovyle the one thing that always annoyed me about Kobe was his long ass 2s that he'd take. Literally he could take 1 step back and it would be a 3, but instead he'd take those long ass 2s. Carmelo was also guilty of this to a lesser extent, but Kobe was taking a lot of those long 2s
@@MrE_ that was mostly due to the time he played in. 5-10 years later and he would have taken far more 3s than long 2s. its just that the whole league played like that back then.
@@peterpan3022 this is why ppl need to verify their knowledge of basketball far as how long they been watching cuz it'll stop these dumbass statements ppl make.I started watching basketball seriously in like 06 so I was real late to the party but even then I saw how the game was played the midrange 2 was more valued then the 3 that's how it was cuz the old school saying was the closer you are to the basket the better chance you are to make the shot.Fans today wanna judge players of old team assembling n playstyle by today's standards when you can't
You earned a new subscriber dude. They need to play this video on ESPN, especially whenever they start making their silly lists, or "mount rushmore" segments.
Interested to see a comparison of pts per 75 to take into account any changes in pace if you do a follow up. Would that also "somewhat" normalise the difference in pace between eras/styles and make comparison against other greats easier?
Edit: sorry my question was related only to scoring not overall PER etc.
So many great memories watching Kobe.
We was lucky too have witnessed his journey.
Great video, I hope this is insightful to people, I hate when ppl slander Kobe for unnecessary lies
I mean sometimes it is some facts tho
Haven’t finished the video yet, but thank you for describing TS% to me in a video. It’s not enough to make a whole video on it, so thank you for including it
Been waiting for this video for years thank you 🙏🏾
I think it's funny how LeBron fans use the "Kobe has the most missed shots in NBA history" narrative to try and diminish him, but then get big mad when you point out LeBron has the most turnovers in NBA history. "Well when the offense runs through you like it does LeBron, of course he'll have the most" is one thing they'll say. Another is "Most of the people on that list either are currently or will be in the Hall of Fame". Both are true, but they don't seem to understand that both are also true for Kobe. They just don't like that people put Kobe on the same level as LeBron so they react the exact same way they think Jordan fans react to them having LeBron on his level.
I mean he does have the missed shots in NBA History but yet you Kobe Fanboys will call him clutch when he's not even that clutch D-Wade is more clutch than him and I said what I said
@@deetheoriginal3117 you are not a hater. You just have a low iq
There is nothing you can say to someone whose logic is that paper thin. I just call them dumb and go about my day now.
@@deetheoriginal3117 How is Dwayne Wade more clutch than Kobe when Kobe has more game winners
@@deetheoriginal3117 So missed shots determine clutchness? It's people like you that actually should never utter a word about basketball again. That's like saying Steph Curry is a better scorer than Jordan because he scores more threes. What determines your clutchness is game winning shots or buzzer beaters missing shots in general have *nothing* to do with being clutch unless put in a clutch situation(Playoffs/Finals). Please never discuss basketball again for the sake of other people's brain cells not exploding.
So I was curious about this so I looked up some stats:
Playoff Games with FG under 40%
Kobe: 69 out of 220. 31.4%
Curry: 26 out of 90. 28.9%
Wade: 48 out of 177. 27.1%
KD: 26 out of 127. 20.5%
CP3: 18 out of 91. 19.8%
Lebron: 45 out of 239. 18.8%
Jordan: 28 out of 179. 15.6%
Finals Games with FG under 40%
Kobe: 18 out of 37. 48.6%
Pippen: 14 out of 35. 40%
Parker: 10 out of 29. 34.5%
Curry: 9 out of 28. 32.1%
Wade: 9 out of 29. 31%
Lebron: 10 out of 49. 20.4%
Jordan: 4 out of 35. 11.4%
On/off court team win rate:
Kobe 65.1% vs 62.6%. Difference +2.9%
Shaq 73.3% vs 52.7%. Difference +20.6%
Curry 66% vs 34%. Difference +32%
Lebron 65.4% vs 34.8%. Difference +30.6%
Jordan 68.7% vs 31%. Difference 37.7%
Game tying/go ahead fg with under 10 seconds left in the post season:
Jordan: 7/15 (47%)
Kobe: 5/22 (23%)
Lebron: 13/23 (52%)
Kobe NBA Finals Numbers (37 games)
- Shot 50% or better 4 times
- Shot 35% or lower 13 times
Lebron NBA Finals Numbers (49 games)
- Shot 50% or better 21 times
- Shot 35% or lower 6 times
Jordan NBA Finals Numbers (35 games)
- Shot 50% or better 18 times
- Shot 35% or lower 3 times
Jordan game 7s and best of 5 series game 5s
88 vs cavs 12/22 54.5% 39pts
89 vs cavs 17/32 53.1% 44pts
90 vs pistons 13/27 48.1% 31pts
92 vs knicks 15/29 51.7% 42pts
98 vs pacers 9/25 36.0% 28pts
Average: 36.8pts 48.9%
Lebron game 7s
06 vs pistons 11/24 45.8% 27pts
08 vs Celtics 14/29 48.3% 45pts
12 vs Celtics 9/21 42.9% 31pts
13 vs pacers 8/17 47.1% 32pts
13 vs spurs 12/23 52.2% 37pts
16 vs warriors 9/24 37.5% 27pts
18 vs pacers 16/25 64.0% 45pts
18 vs Celtics 12/24 50.0% 35pts
Average: 34.9pts 48.7%
Kobe game 7s and best of 5 series game 5s
00 vs kings 7/16 43.8% 17pts
00 vs blazers 9/19 47.4% 25pts
02 vs kings 10/26 38.5% 30pts
06 vs suns 8/16 50% 24pts
09 vs rockets 4/12 33.3% 14pts
10 vs Celtics 6/24 25% 23pts
12 vs nuggets 7/16 43.8% 17pts
Average: 21.4 pts 39.5%
Curry game 7s
14vs clippers 7/17 41.2% 33pts
16 vs thunders 13/24 54.2% 36pts
16 vs cavs 6/19 31.6% 17pts
18 vs rockets 10/22 45.5% 27pts
23 vs kings 20/38 52.6% 50pts
Average: 32.6 pts 46.7%
Like all casuals, you're CHERRY PICKING.
Why game 7s? Why not general finals averages? Why artificially weigh certain games more than other games? If you play well in, say game 6, there is no NEED for game 7. So why the artificial weight put on game 7? It's completely arbitrary.
Why not just cite the finals averages vis-a-vis the other player averages in the same finals thus giving us an apples to apples comparison and providing real CONTEXT (because it's era-adjusted) rather than comparing across eras that dont control for the patent increase in pace of play, increased possessions per game, and the INCREASED SPACING in the 2010 era that saw, this past season, an NBA RECORD for 50 point scorers and 40 point scorers. Coincidence? Teams are also shooting a higher % between 2010 and 2020 than 2000 to 2010. The rule to reset the shot clock to 14 rather than 24 ALONE has generated several more shot attempts were game and increased scoring.
If you aren't going to ERA-ADJUST your numbers, I cant take you seriously.
Your stats also don't tell us about Kobe playing badly injured in 08/09 and 09/10 (fractured tibia, partial tear in knee ligament, broken fingers in his shooting hand - no excuses). You're trying to pain a picture that Kobe didnt have a multiplier effect on hjis team by citing the win/loss % without the proper context. Kobe played on some BAD teams post shaq and BAD teams the final 3 years of his career something Lebron's team hopping has insulated him from. What happened when Kobe got injured in 2013? Lakers W/L record dipped precipitously and they got swept without Kobe.
Tim Duncan's On/off court team win rate is poor too, does he suck?
How'd Curry play without Klay in 2020? Trash.
Your stats dont tell us about Kobe locking down the other perimeter players he was guarding or OUTREBOUNDING SHAQ in Game 7 (and outscoring him) in a LOW SCORING game where everybody shoot poorly (except, incidentally, Kobe); or Game 7 in 2010 when Kobe was so injured he had to get his knee drained before every quarter to relieve the swelling enough for him to play otherwise he wasnt going to be medically cleared to play).
Last 5 minutes score within 5 pts--in potential clinching/clinching games in the finals
1. MJ 12-25 48%
2. LBJ 3-9 33.3%
3. Kobe 1-4 25%
All finals
1 minute score within 3 points
1. MJ 9-20 45%
3. LBJ 4-16 25%
2. Kobe 4-8 50%
Last 25 seconds to tie/take lead
1. MJ 4-8 50%
3. LBJ 0-6 0%
1a. Kobe 1-2 50%
Last 5 minutes score within 3 points
1. MJ 33-69 47.8%
3. LBJ 11-46 23.9%
2. Kobe 20-45 44.4%
Last 2 minutes to tie/take lead
1. MJ 8-17 47%
3. LBJ 3-13 23.%
2. Kobe 3-8 37.5%
MJ was the most clutch and THEN Kobe and then LeExcuses.
You're lucky I didnt do this for the regular season too, Lebron's even worse. And you're also lucky I didn't include Free Throw shooting in the clutch.
Using game 7s like it means anything. Tatum scored 51 in game 7 vs Philly after pooping the bed in big games earlier in the series.
You are cherry picking stats LMAO.
2007 Finals Lebron got OUTSCORED by Bobby Gibson. Why isnt that on your list? LMAO.
2011 Finals Lebron gout OUTSCORED by JJ Barea in key games and Jason Terry for the series and Dirk and Wade and Bosh. LMAO.
2017 and 2018 Finals where Bron stat-padded but won ONE game out of 9 to a team that took THREE losses to James freaking Harden in one series.
Yall Bronsexuals make me laugh.
5 rings > 4 rings.
Bron overrated.
During Lebron's tenure in the east, 70% of All-NBA players were in the west. of the 30% in the east, 33% of them were on Lebron's teams lol.
The West won most of the titles.
The West DOMINATED the Eastern Conference head to head from post MJ retirement in 98/99 to now.
The West has produced almost 70% of the 50+ Win teams in the Playoffs since 1998.
Shall I continue?
Kobe played much tougher competition with LESS help (and far less SPACING).
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270yea ima need your Twitter man we need you to debunk these narratives
The player a vs player b example is more of a 2pt vs 3pt argument than a efficiency argument because 50% from 2 and 44% from 3 are both very efficient.
Yes sir!! Glad you’re back!!
I was just talking about Kobe, thank love your content low :)
Only thing that’s inefficient is how far people need to reach to knock the hardest working basketball player ever
Looking at 3 point shooting. Which is at 34% or above for 5 of the 13 seasons you mentioned. Kobe averaged 4.4 attempts converting 33.6% for that period. Which is his weakest variable, but is above 33.333333% So that gets 1.008 points per shot. Perhaps the other seasons where he was bellow 33.33% are what people were using for the narative as back then 4-5 shots for 3 point attempts was a lot. He also took a lot of mid range jumpers which are known as not efficient shots. But again his 2pt percentage over that period is 0.484 on 17.2 attempts. That weighs at 0.968 points per shot, which is a good conversion rate for a guard. Kobe has 8.4 free throws and made 84.1% of them. 28.1 points off of 30 shots a game.
Dwayne Wade averaged from 04-05 to 12-13 a two point conversion of 0.513 1.026 on 16.7 shots. So that is Kobe taking half an extra two point attempt a game to score half a point less than D Wade. Further D Wade took fewer 3 point shots and made less than 30% of them. D Wade also shot 76.8% on free throws at 9 attempts per game, where Kobe was taking more and averaging above 80% as D Wade was an allstar every year in this period and an NBA champion twice, including one time Finals MVP. So Kobe compares favourably in his period to his biggest competator. 25.6 points off of 27.5 shots.
Ray Allen 2000-01 to 2007 his career peak. 2pt percentage 0.48 on 11 attempts, 3pt percentage 0.4 on 7.2 attempts, free throughs 4.8 attempts 89.6%. 23.4 points off 23 shots.
Ok I think Kobe is more efficient than peak D Wade in this period. He is slightly less effective than peak Ray Allen although he gets you 5 more points in a low scoring league. Also that is peak Ray Allen so who you going to give those extra possessions to? Shaq in the first few years yes, but after Shaq, Pau has 17.9 on 18.1 shots between 08-09 and 12-13.
Kobe is up there as an efficient scorer. Perhaps the main thing killing him is Michael Jordan having a higher fg% than Kobe. Jordan from age 22 to 34 averaged 32 points off of 32.5 shots. Granted 2 of those seasons are with a shorter 3point line. Kobe 0.9366 points per shot, Jordan 0.9846 points per shot. Jordan shot 3.2 attempts and 3.6 attempts on those seasons then dropped back to 1.5 attempts a year later when the 3 point line moved. Since Jordan is the GOAT SG and probably the GOAT I think Kobe compares favourably.
Oh and Reggie Miller from age 22-34 is shooting at above 1.0 points per shot but averaging 19.5 so I haven't put him in this for depth.
George Gervin 22-32 has a very good rate of conversion but played in a completely different eara. 26.2 points from 26 shots. His peak years at the Spurs are great btw.
I can only assume Kobe is inefficient by the argument he takes mid range jumpers, had games where he shoots the 3 pointer badly and was a high volume shooter who would not stop shooting through a dry streak. Looks weak as an argument when you compare him to all time greats and his peers. Havent even looked just at the peak seasons yet. 33.5 points off of 35.1 attempts this is his two seasons with no help. 1.0 might be the standard but as the only scorer on a bad team taking high volume that is a great conversion level. 0.95441 points per shot from a guard.
This video was amazing and def changed my view of Kobe's career.
I had always wondered why there was such a big disconnect between people that got to witness Kobe and people calling him inefficient today.
Well done, Now consider the shot selection and degree if difficulty of Kobe’s shots compared to Lebron James, Shaq, Stodimire, and the TS% and the opponent’s Defensive rating will really scream out how great Kobe was as a scorer and overall competitor. I believe only MJ is ahead of Kobe all time. Nobody else comes closer than Kobe.
Ts heavily weight ft percentage and neither 3 are great at those especially compared to Kobe
@@elimullen9864 The vídeo had a whole segment detailing how little FT% does to true shooting
@@sarcasm3605 he's a lebron fan. He don't read beyond first page
I don’t like the disingenuous look at Kobe’s game!
We talk about the Mamba mentality, but ignore it’s down falls.
Mamba mentality is not based in efficiency!
Kobe took long difficult 2’s that resulted in him missing the most shots in history.
I don’t understand how a person can defend this as efficient scoring?
Dude no Kobe is not top 2 at all
He wasn’t inefficient he just wasn’t as efficient as other great scorers
Using relative True Shooting for everyone
1. Durant 2012-22 (+8.6% rTS)
2. Curry 2012-22 (+8.2% rTS)
3. LeBron 2008-18 (+6.2% rTS)
4. Harden 2012-22 (+6.2% rTS)
5. Malone 1990-00 (+6.0% rTS)
6. Shaq 1994-04 (+5.8% rTS)
7. Jordan 1987-97 (+4.8% rTS)
8. Kobe 2001-11 (+2.6% rTS)
Great point here but I believe this is the reason why LOW bought up the era in which he played. Also when you couple that with the accolades and moments It further shows why he deserves his spot among the all time great.
@@nov11794
Without adjusting to era
These are their true shooting
Durant 2012-22 (63.6% TS)
Curry 2012-22 (63.2% TS)
Harden 2012-22 (61.2% TS)
LeBron 2008-18 (60.4% TS)
Malone 1990-00 (59.2% TS)
Jordan 1987-97 (58.4% TS)
Shaq 1994-04 (58.4% TS)
Kobe 2001-11 (55.8% TS)
top 4 are current players. Having shooters (3 point shooters) all over the floor, makes it easier for scorers to score. Besides that, the 3 point fiesta also improves the true shooting percent. Coaches finally understand that a 35% 3 point shot is better than a 50% 2 point shot (not taking into account fouls), so they let loose to shoot the players who shoot around 40% from three. Harden makes the cut because of his tricks to go to the free line, but his game in the playoff has proven to be ineffective. If coaches in the past knew that, players like Reggie Miller, Jeff Hornacek, John Stockton, Dalle Ellis, Glen Rice, Joe Dumars, Mark Price would have an improve legacy today. That even includes larry bird and dirk nowitzky.
This is inaccurate because you’re Cherry picking specific years and stats to push your lie 😂😂😂
@@joseaguayo7645 Your point might be valid but it doesn’t debunk the point that LOW debunked. LOW debunked the idea that Kobe was inefficient. When In fact he was not. Saying someone is inefficient and saying someone is not as efficient as other players are entirely different points. Also this conversations comes up in GOAT/Top 10 debates. Him not being as efficient as others should not deter him from these debates. If it does. Then get Duncan and Russell out of there and put Malone in.
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Amazing, well researched video. Where do you rank the Black Mamba all time?
2000: 52nd in the NBA in TS%
2001: 32nd in the NBA in TS%
2002: 50th in the NBA in TS%
2003: 49th in the NBA in TS%
2004: 27th in the NBA in TS%
2005: 39th in the NBA in TS%
2006: 50th in the NBA in TS%
2007: 40th in the NBA in TS%
2008: 41st in the NBA in TS%
2009: 72nd in the NBA in TS%
2010: 91st in the NBA in TS%
2011: 91st in the NBA in TS%
2012: 104th in the NBA in TS%
2013: 43rd in the NBA in TS%
It would be silly to say he's inefficient, but he also wasn't crazy efficient. Kobe never sniffed the top 20 ever. Meanwhile, one of the folks you mention in this video, Ray Allen, was in the top 20 in the league for TS 10 times between 2000 and 2013.
Hey can you tell me where you can find these stats?
@@tw9196 Basketball reference
Thank you for this. I never knew about Kobe’s TS%. It really brings a lot into perspective.
Don't listen to this non-sense about TS%, it's one of the most misleading stats in the game because it rewards players for taking more threes and making more free throws, which has nothing to do with actual smart/efficient shot selection.
@@QuestionEverything562 bruh, Shaq had one of the highest TS%
@@skinnytimmy1 But Shaq wasn't efficient because he had a high TS%, he was efficient because he was always making like 11-12/20 shots every game. I don't need the deceiving TS% to tell me that Shaq or Kevin McHale were super efficient. Throwing it down to Shaq in the low post was an automatic bucket unless you double or triple teamed him.
@@QuestionEverything562 ?? I'm trying really hard to understand your point, but you aren't really making sense. Shaq's TS% is high BECAUSE he is efficient. And what's wrong with rewarding players for making 3s and FTs? If you just look at FG% the Big Men will always be on top.
@@QuestionEverything562 Bruh? You're seriously lost and lack comprehension skills.
Question. Do you think TS% is a better measure of how efficient a player is than EFG%? I'm assuming that is the case since you didn't use EFG% in this video but I wanted to hear what you have to say on that matter
When people call Kobe inefficient it’s not that he’s inefficient compared to avg players just inefficient compared to other all time greats.
Yeah, people say he's top 5, and then ignore his efficiency compared to those top 5. To his credit, a lotta people love Kobe, but they aren't objective.
Yea Bird Magic And Kareem Are all more efficient than Kobe
Two reasons:
He took highly inefficient difficult shots at a high clip
But the real reason is he's compared to the player his game resembles the most, who's one of the most efficient players of all time.
He didnt take 'highly ineffcient difficult shots'. For other players, these shots were inefficient but Kobe shot them at a crazy high clip based on his position as a guard.
This is really like saying Lillard shot over George was a 'bad shot' when Lillard is actually known to be able to take such 'inefficient shots'.
that’s like me saying Curry is inefficient just because “he took highly inefficient difficult shots at a high clip” 😕
Jordan isnt one of the most efficient players of all time.
@@MineShackle
@@caairon Steph makes more difficult shots at a higher clip--- but steph is also indisputably the greatest shooter of all time.... what r we talkin bout here? lol
I think this narrative started as ppl stopped almost universally considering him a top 3 scorer by saying he's inefficient when compared to the other all time great scorers. Which is true, while kobe was definitely not inefficient, when you compare him to guys like mj, bird, Bron, kareem, shaq, or Kd they all are more efficient when you look at true shooting. They all have multiple high scoring seasons/post seasons with a true shooting above 60 where kobe's highest in his career is 58 for a season and he only did it once. So, I think this probably started in the context of comparing him to specifically the greatest scorers in nba history + most missed shots in history and the 04 finals.
Right. If you compare him to other all time greats and not just the league average.
It's funny though cause that's literally the only time I consider him inefficient is when comparing him to the other greats😅
Hey dummy, those other guys didn't have tougher competition and defenses to face. They all had more shooters too
Love the video 👏🏼👏🏼 do you mind if I use some info in my own channel ?
Low man I love your videos man keep it up
The argument that he's ineffiecient usually only gets brought up when talking about whos the goat, and the goat cant be around league average in anything.
Bingo
I see no lies.
“I can’t believe I have to say this in 2021” you’re right you don’t…..it’s 2022 💀
Sometimes it's actually facts tho like Kobe being an overrated defender
Kobe is overrated but still a legendary player not hating just speaking on how I feel he was never a good playoff performer either compared to other all time greats like Jordan LeBron Wade,Duncan,Giannis,Curry
Thank you!! Protect this man's legacy!
Love the research put into this, much respect to you and much respect to Kobe because he deserves it.
What bothers me is ppl acting like he is top 5 over all. N/or in the class of MJ LBJ Kareem.
Maybe two season's he was best player in the league. Though that could be argued against since LBJ already begun to set his place.
Kobe is in the class right underneath with Duncan. Who btw had a better career at the same time as Kobe played.
Kobe dies and disrespect him SMH. I don't remember this much disrespect when he was alive but Kobe for sure is top 5. He has the achievements, the accolades and rings to prove it. So stop the bias cap
Kobe dies and disrespect him SMH. I don't remember this much disrespect when he was alive but Kobe for sure is top 5. He has the achievements, the accolades and rings to prove it. So stop the bias cap
@@Young_Dab it's not disrespectful. What did I say that's is? just cuz I point out facts and not emotional opinion. I watch his whole career. Would you put Duncan in the top 5 all time? Look at their accolade side by side. Tell me the years Kobe was the best in the league? He is a all time great. But not with MJ LBJ Kareem.
@@salgarcia8021 that's because before he passed nobody mentioned kobe in the GOAT debate but since he died his fans and media want to elevate and lie about his legacy and put him in the top five class when he not a top five player of all time
He’s top 3… how you like them apples??? Nobody cares that our placement of Kobe is higher than you feel it should be… make your own list and live with it. Kobe top 2-5 to millions of people globally so idk what to tell you except get over it.
when talking about "inefficency" we are mainly talking about his shots from the field...mainly the 2...not overall shooting (including free throws) we just mean what he shoots from the field...where most of the shots are taken. to claifly he's a inefficent fg shooter!
This is exactly it
True shooting >> field goal percentage. Field goal percentage is for casuals and is outdated. And his field goal% is still league average. And outside of 3 feet he has a higher % than lebron form every spot on the floor other than from 3.
Yes but you should say effective field goal isn’t of overall shooting percentage. FG% is outdated, but eFF is the best stat to show how efficient a player is compared to their peers on all shots that don’t draw/are gifted foul calls. Bexuade of the subjectivity and CLEAR bias that we see nightly in the NBA from their refs, I definitely prefer to use eFG when judging a players efficiency putting the ball in the hole. That being said, true shooting DOES matter the most at the end of the day! Cuz FTs matter so much, but just as far as judging efficiency in a vaccuum, eFG can really tell you a lot. And that is where Kobe lags behind. He shot over 50 percent on TWOS once in his career, and had a high eFG of .504. Only 4 seasons above 50 percent eFG. Not terrible! But not great either. But for his time? Solid enough!
Basketball consists of 2s, 3s & FT’s. That’s literally how points are accumulated. So this comment is invalid. There’s no such thing judging a person mainly by 2s. Especially if that person didn’t only take 2s.
@@stephordless8876 most of the all time greats especially in the modern era shot over 50% from twos in there careers...Kobe shot below 50% from two in his career...so compared to other all time greats he's inefficient
Excellent Video!! Great analysis! Also Lebron and Wade were slashers. I'll be looking forward to future content from you.
You brought it in this video. As a Heat fanz seeing that Dwayne Wade has a higher True Shooting percentage made me smile. Watching Wade and Kobe battle was amazing. The first Christmas game when Shaq left the Lakers for Heat was epic. Kobe set a standard and you set a standard with how you bring the heat.
Fucking LOVED Wade/Kobe duels as a Laker fan, and one of the biggest reasons why was because I knew they loved it. You could tell with how they went after each other. When Wade broke his nose in the all star game, I wasn't even mad. Most fans I talked to weren't even mad. If it had been anyone else probably would have been mad, but since it was Wade we all knew it was just those two greats battling like they always do and shit happens. Mad respect to Flash.
@@ktvindicare I know that they both had mad respect for each other
@@ktvindicare Wade and Kobe are both legends and it just sucks that his knees/injuries were the biggest problems to his career
I’m so glad this video was made! I never got the inefficiency argument! Played in the tougher conference against tougher defenders and yet still was above league average in terms of efficiency? Naw that sounds like a hard working accurate player to me!! I’m glad that (hopefully) we can drop the inefficiency talk once and for all. I never thought he was inefficient ever in my lifetime but I’m glad Low broke it down
Kobe was never a good playoff performer stop it
@@deetheoriginal3117 so where those five chips come from?
Nah Sabrum people are afraid of logic. Apparently that’s still inefficient
@@legendarywiimaster the first 3 rings was Shaq and u know it Shaq was Finals MVP in those finals not Kobe! And yes ik Kobe won 2 rings without him but still let's not discredit or disrespect Shaq
@@deetheoriginal3117 Kobe still was a big part of those chips.
I think what people are getting misconstrued is a lot of narratives around players started in a debate. The inefficient narrative around Kobe was in relation to LEBRONS FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE because from 2006ish to Kobe's retirement, Kobe and LeBron were heavily compared. So what started out as "Kobe isn't a better scorer than LeBron because he's less efficient" warped into "Kobe is inefficient" same thing with "LeBron can't shoot". LeBron was constantly compared to established stars entering the league, like Jordan, Kobe, tmac etc so in relation to those stars he couldnt shoot as well as them entering the league. It then warped into "LeBron can't shoot at all" even though he has improved his jumper since entering the league. Same goes for curry he "only shoots" cause in relation to other stars he was compared to on his rise , he was tasked mainly with scoring and most of his points came from the 3 point line. So it went from "curry is as versatile as Westbrook/LeBron" to "all he does is shoot". Crazy how it works lol
This is about accurate especially the Bron stuff.
Also, Kobe was compared in terms of efficiency to Jordan, which is borderline impossible to win...
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I like this concept, you should do more on other NBA stars like The Paul George Disrespect, Lebron isnt clutch, etc
Great video!!! I am a Kobe fan and I thought he was kinda inefficient but this video changed my thoughts on my guy!! Rip Kobe 😇😇
13:00-13:03 He retired in ‘17. i’m sure you’re talkin’ about when he jacked his achilles in ‘14. It is indeed tough to play efficient basketball in your upper 30’s with a jacked achilles.
You’re off by a year.
Excited for this one
What’s the name of the song at the beginning of the video?
Also another reason it’s hard to compare eras. Watch a Kobe highlight tape and you’ll see tons shots that the defense is all in his landing area (which would be a foul today and not counted as a miss) they didn’t have rules to protect shooters
How did Kobe become underrated and even more hated when he died?
Rip mamba my fav player goat you inspire me
I think people rate him higher since he passed
@@taj3618 right wtf world this nigga livin in more people call him the goat now more than ever which is absolutely insane and I love Bean
Actually quite the opposite
@@donovanprice3321 I’m seeing him being out of the top 10 more then ever
@@ckw9901 not me all I see is Goat better than MJ and all kinds of wild shit he def top 6,7 for sure
I’m not a kobe stan but I could not ever understand why he was called “inefficient” he played in the most difficult to score in era in NBA history, not only did he play great defenses but also had to take the toughest shots, he took a lot of shots but also made a lot of them, I do think a lot of people overrate him after his passing but to say he’s a shot chucker is complete bullshit, there’s a reason why he was feared by many players, why so many of his peers respected him, why some of his peers say he’s the best player they ever played against
LOW straight up pulled a Jxmy with the graphs/charts lol. All jokes aside, appreciate the hard work bro, great vid 👍
Great video but u forgot to put your iconic outro music brother
I think the only remotely fair way to claim Kobe is inefficient is if you're specifically comparing him to Michael Jordan, who is THE gold standard at 2 guard. If that's the comparison, it's relatively fair. At his peak, Mike was above 60% TS% while putting up over 31 PPG. By THAT measure, Kobe is inefficient. By pretty much any other standard Kobe's top tier.
The thing is Kobe was constantly doubled or tripled which is not allowed in Jordan's era cuz of the rule. Imagine Jordan got double evertime he has the ball, how much would his % drop?
@@hanklin2291 Double teaming was allowed, you just had to commit to doubling, you couldn't just hang out in no man's land. And Jordan was often doubled. Also, there's this thing called "passing", if Kobe has 3 guys on him... just saying.
And at the same time, especially earlier in Jordan's career, things like traveling and carrying were *MUCH* more strictly enforced, so it was much more difficult to dribble by people.
Phil Jackson talks a lot about the difference and it basically comes down to Jordan was more willing to let the game come to him while Kobe would more often force the issue, which lead to Kobe taking low percentage shots at times.
@@Noin007 yeah you are right it is the zone defense that is not allowed.
But you got to know difference between just go up and double and zone. MJ himself said zone defense would have change his career.
@@hanklin2291 Unfortunately, we'll never know how much that would or wouldn't have changed Jordan's scoring. I'm inclined to believe it would have been rather minimal...
*Because,* you can look at Kobe's numbers before and after zone defense was made legal and there's no significant change. But even before it was allowed, even when Kobe had Shaq (who was CONSTANTLY doubled) Kobe wasn't shooting 60% TS%. And Kobe's best TS% years were well after zone was allowed. The 3 years before zone and the 3 years following zone Kobe's averages were right at 55% give or take about 0.5%. 🤷♀
@@hanklin2291 That's if he took his skill set that he developed in a different era and pasted it 1 to 1 in an era with different rules. If he would have developed his skills when you could play zone he would have learned how to attack that way. He was too good to think he couldn't have done that.
The reason why they say he’s inefficient is because they compare to other players. MJ was definitely more efficient but he wasn’t taking crazy ass shots like Kobe does. Kobe isn’t inefficient. WESTBRICK IS INNEFICIENT THO LMAO.
EXCELLENT POINTS AND ARGUMENTS!! I’m glad the algorithm brought me here. 🙌🏽
It's crazy to think about still I feel like it's just hit that he's gone.
Strawman argument to try to change the truth. SMH
Kobe being inefficient came from Lebron lovers in the media. Cuz if Kobe is efficient, then you have to question his spot on the all time list ahead of Lebron.
Even if Kobe did 50% in his entire career lebron fan will still discredit him and try making him look like a scrub when he wasn’t Kobe is one of greatest player of all Time
Even if Kobe is seen as efficient, there is still no justifiable arguement that isn't mostly based on the sentimental value Kobe has for you to put him over LeBron. I'm saying this as a Lakers fan.
@@Bubs-_- I think Lakers fans have a better picture of Kobe than most. I'm a Lakers fan and I remember him being jealous of Shaq and running him out, then the team sucked with Kobe playing hero ball and ball hog because there was no one else, and it was only when Pau, Bynum, and Odom came that we won again. So I got to see what Kobe alone means to a team, and it wasn't much.
@@shorewall I agree completely. I'm just trying to be honest to myself
low i love the videos but what’s the background music you use in your vids
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Great video. This was much needed in the basketball community