Apologies! In the video, I refer to Gege Akutami, author of JJK, as a he, but from what I can tell, they go by they/them, my apologies. I was being stupid 😓
Well, one time, he referred to himself using masculine Kanji but changed it because of all the fanletters he got after Gojo Died by Sukuna Gege most likely did this to keep his identity a secret
My argument for Goku surviving Infinite Void is that, Goku can perceive infinite information because (as you said) he can move faster than infinite speed, and he can think and understand everything when he's moving at that speed. So since he moves, sees, and thinks at immeasurable (arguably irrelevent speed) speed infinite void should be no problem
My argument is goku doesn't even need to think to fight because "autonomous divine ultra instinct" he doesn't think when he is in that form his body move by instinct at maximum speed so even if his mind is overloaded his body should be able to move and speed blitz gojo even through unlimited void
@@MaskmanProductsthere are so many way you can interpret goku mind resistances like his training under popo, korins water, and vegeta just sheer willpower overcoming babdi magic
He probably ain't getting past Chiaotzu considering he had the ability to restrain Goku for a few seconds, and if you've watched Z, Goku and Vegeta at that point have handled gravity which are hundreds of times greater than ones on earth
We don’t even have to think about breaking space time for Limitless. Limitless is an applied technique, however subconsciously. In the Hidden Inventory arc, Gojo explains that he maintains an Infinity barrier that filters out threats based on subconscious processing. So he has to perceive something as a threat (even at a subconscious level) for Infinity to even activate. So Limitless is still a technique that requires his very special but still human brain to function. The problem in that universe is that no one can move faster than Gojo’s perception. Goku, however, could EASILY move faster than Gojo’s perception, which has been measured in the manga at his fastest to be in the realm of tenths of a second reaction time
This is the same reason why Gojo was caught off guard by when Sukuna went to punch him with domain amplification after he shot a dismantle at the building. If Gojo had perceived Sukuna's punch, the punch would not have gotten so close to his hand.
I love jjk. But I feel like people wank the series just for the hell of it. Like mountain level and island level is shaky to me. Planet level is just beyond me personally. And you don’t know how many times I’ve heard that Gojo is universal because he can make the impossible possible.
@ that’s mostly because of two things. 1. The sukuna planet statement on the back of every volume 2. Yuki’s blackhole The first one doesn’t work because this statement can be interpreted in many ways. The more logical one is that he’s referring to society as we know it because why would someone who eats sukuna’s fingers be planet level? That’d be very inconsistent. The second point doesn’t work because this acquires you to assume that Gojo or sukuna scale to yuki’s blackhole. This isn’t supported anywhere. At best you can say Gojo is the strongest so he has to scale over Yuki. But you can be stronger than someone and not scale to their strongest attack. I can be stronger than someone who has a gun. Yes the gun can one shot me but that doesn’t mean I can’t just knock out the person with a gun or take the gun before they even get the chance to use it. Also it’s very inconsistent and you’d need support how this feat is consistent with any other showings
Goku was shown avoiding attacks from opponents who are trillions of times faster than light (we can say that they are infinite) and Vegeta was even shown thinking in the middle of avoiding Jiren's punches. Which means that the speed of comprehension of Dragon Ball characters is very fast, which means that the rate of input of information for the unlimited Void will seem very slow from Goku's perspective. Rather, he can absorb all the information infinitely at once and be completely unaffected and move and fight normally. + We know that a normal human can survive for 0.2 seconds, so even if we say Goku's brain is like a normal human brain, Goku has the Ultra Instinct that he can activate even when he is unconscious. In the Grunula Arc, we saw Goku completely unconscious, but he automatically performed the Ultra Instinct with Susanoo. Add to that that Goku is much faster than light, which makes 0.2 seconds enough to eliminate Gojo or escape from the unlimited Void and erase Gojo from the outside
If we assume cursed energy and ki are similar enough types of energy. Gojo probably just gets folded. Goku is so far beyond him in strength that you could argue he'd simply just break the infinity ability using raw power and speed. The way he breaks Hit's timeskip which is a KI based technique that lets Hit skip forward in time.
If you do equalize energy types, and you think Ki can no diff Hax if you're stronger than the opponent, Gojo is an Android 16 victim. Maybe Buuhan if you mega wank him.
@@Unremarkable6969 got one even better bluds a Recoome victim (Erasure gun was stated to not only vaporize objects but wrap space-time around them momentarily). Ppl don't even realize he would struggle to exist in early dragon ball and instantly gets no diffed in the namek saga.
1:12 here is the thing ki is life energy(its alot more complex than that)meaning goku can sense anyone that qualifies as living or once living for dead people
@@Unremarkable6969it would kind off(going by a guide statement and anime statement any thing including atoms photons abstract concepts and literally anything has ki)since gojo doesn't really have all the things needed using ki but ki is still life energy meaning goku can sense him even without verse equalization
@@Unremarkable6969 Here's a metaphor: All Bread, minus some bread (dead/artificial like Androids/different in Ki composition like God Ki. Think of these as radio waves in different wavelengths) used water to bake bread. Which means Nearly all types of bread have water as an ingredient. Even if some have fillings like Croissant (JJK Curse Energy) as long as it is bread, the baker still used water to bake it.
Ki is not just ki. Genki (元気 lit. "Vigor") Yūki (勇気 lit. "Courage") Shōki (正気 lit. "Right-mindedness") (Dragoball Conzept). There is a 4th form. Jaki, its a form thats relates to "negativ energy". That kind of energy can make you sick or bring "bad Luck". (japanese Conzept) In Dragonball there is a clear conzept of "negativ" Ki, what is based on negativ emotions, what is the same kind how "curse energy" work. Demon Ki = Just Evil ki, can manipulate things. Majin Energy = Its a "Curse", what brings the badest side of a Person, when succesful. Conzept of "Dark Dragonballs": They are full of Cursed Dark ki Energy. (But GT).
goku power scaling is weird and unkown like he is so fast he can go an infinite distance but infinite is not infinite anymore, goku just became so incredibly over powered that he could probably one shot like infinite anime universes if you use that concept that he can destroy 10 infinity places of space in his base form, then we got gojo on MASSIVE steroids being like "my power level in universal and have speed of infinite" then goku just one shots base form: also great vid.
I think Gojo has Ki, or at least a small amount of it-it's just life energy that everyone has. So I believe Goku could sense Gojo. Additionally, I think you could compare cursed energy to Genki-the same energy Goku uses for his Genkidama. Normally, you can't sense or feel it, but when Goku builds up a Genkidama, you can feel it. I'd say it’s probably similar to Hollow Purple; you can't normally sense cursed energy, but when an attack like Hollow Purple is being built up, Goku could probably feel and sense the aura or negativity. Cool Video, keep up the content
Remember how you said “people argue Goku was just stronger than hit” when referring to the timeskip fight? That’s exactly what would happen. Goku’s ki is just more powerful so it would ignore the hacks of infinity
@@zetasolos1 Potentially, however that works in Dragon Ball because those abilities are Ki based, and Hax abilities can be countered in DB with a higher Ki because of that. With Infinity it's technically a different energy type, and would be disingenuous to assume Goku could do something similar. But there is the possibility he could. I just chose a more neutral stance in this video, evidence as I kept gassing Gojo up as much as possible.
@@Unremarkable6969 what peapole still don't db characters ignoring ki hax Is baisaclly a battle of souls or existence the highier you are the less the hax works on you Unlike msgic
Also another way to get past limitless is simply summon a afect onto Gojo himself or inside him like auto locking on or inside Gojo from a distance Like freezing him solid from a distance by just sticking your hand out
I think gojo domain Expansion will have two effects on goku. 1. Goku will became smart because of the infinite info😂 2. The domain will not work because goku sometimes is a air head 😂
In conclusion yes Goku absolutely murders gojo based off his withstanding abilities and the fact that all of his attacks scale obnoxiously higher then Gojos ever have
Gojo's infinity works a little different from how you may think. It's based on a passive and reactive calculation his brain is constantly doing to differentiate between what is and isn't dangerous to him. Things like light and oxygen don't pose a threat to him and he also needs oxygen to breathe. An ordinary rock also poses little threat but give it a trajectory and velocity and his passive and reactive infinity will begin to slow it down forever. Just a side note gojo has 3 different forms of infinity from what we have seen in the anime. There is the infinity he had in the hidden inventory arc where he has to keep concentration to keep it up. This is more or less his active infinity. When he chooses to have infinity up this will be what he uses. The second is after he learns RCT and he essentially programs his brain using mathematics to differentiate what is and isn't dangerous to him. It's basically what i described earlier so I won't explain it again. This is seen as an upgrade to his active infinity however the drawback is that if something that isn't perceived as an attack comes towards him, it will not be slowed down. The third which he only showed once was against Hanami (he shows it once more in the manga against Sukuna although very brief). Instead of infinitely slowing down objects approaching him, he was instead infinitely pushing objects (or in this case Hanami) away from himself and crushing Hanami between his infinite pressure and the solid wall.
In one other video about verse equalization I saw JJK was used as an example, and if in remembering right JJK was esed as an example and there was a panel of a character that took the energy that exited within a plant which isn't cursed energy it might have been called life energy, and they converted that into cursed energy, plants apparently don't have cursed energy
With domain expansion, I think goku is so dumb that hed try to comprehend it, but just get mad when he cant and accidentally go ssj, which in turn disintegrates the domain bc angry
I don't know what's stopping Goku from putting up a barrier like he did against U9 or Vegito did inside of Buu the instant he detects something off (standard battle aura aside) especially with his telepathy, but if he did it'd be a good moment for gojo to drop some exposition on how it works otherwise... lol
Ultra Instinct I think would actually give Goku an edge even if JoJo did use his domain expansion because it wouldn't matter if his mind is being flooded with infinite information if his body is able to fight on its own. But there's also the fact that in the Jujutsu kaisen manga it's outright stated that domain expansions do not work on people who don't have cursed energy so the only way that the domain expansion would be able to work on Goku is if you made energy equivalent between the two of them I know that's what you did for the sake of Simplicity but I'm just saying
@@supernew10doh64 Potentially, but considering the gap between Goku and Gojo, I don't think Goku would be in UI when Gojo uses it, but I suppose that could be a counter.
@Unremarkable6969 I don't think Goku needs to be in Ultra instinct when Gojo does it since all that's needed for him to use ultra Instinct at least as far as we're told is for him to not think about dodging or attacking and if Goku's mind is being flooded with infinite information of whatever then this should in theory trigger his Ultra Instinct automatically especially because in the manga his Ultra Instinct more or less activated on its own in the granola Ark when he was knocked unconscious so if it can activate when he's knocked unconscious then it should in theory activate under these conditions as well not to mention the fact that he is able to use ultra Instinct in his other forms without transforming into the ultra Instinct transformation.
Amazing how you didn't bring up the ^2.5 Black flash scaling people love to do lol I love to think about Atomic Samurai just Quick-Drawing Sukuna to pieces instantly due to how well you explained Hollow Purple. I'd like to know if you think Gearshift Deku can bypass Infinity too, with how it works.
That's pushing it a little bit, it's not really implied you can just speed blitz limitless. The only evidence for this is when Gojo was less experienced with his technique than he is later down the story.
@3:48 id hope nearly anyone whos seen super should know this without a doubt 🧐 Edit; id also hope anyone who's watched jjk has already seen the goat of dbz etc
I believe that your assessment of domain expansions appearing on the target is incorrect. We see that domain expansions can move through real space but that is not effected by the position of those within. Seemingly, what determines where a domain expansion can expand is the user. Clearly if people could expand domains without being there as well it would be a common occurrence. Goku should simply be able to instant transmission out of any domain expansion
@@Unremarkable6969 Well... if Cell's core is still intact after that, it might be able to regenerate from that, but Nah, HP would win (if we take what HP does to a literal point ignoring power differences)
I don't remember if this is true or not but doesn't Goku at a certain point train UI sign into his base form. if so, then his mind being flooded with infinite information is meaningless as his body will reflexively move in the infinite void even if he is turned into a vegetable. This also goes for if goku enters UI sign or UI before being put in the domain expansion but I doubt he'd go that far on Gojo.
gojo > the tiering system gojo can create -1 apples making -1 apples is illogical meaning gojo isn't bound by logic the tiering system is of logic so gojo transcends the tiering system gojo solos fiction
In conclusion Goku only loses if you make him have cursed energy for the domain expansion to work Ignore the speed gap for gojo to make the domain expansion hand movement And give gojo the technical win for making goku mentally challenge without ultra instint (goku is still beating the sht out of him after all this) and disqualify goku after killing him.
Actually the character doesn't even need to have infinite speed to surpass Gojos barrier. The activation of Infinity is automatic(in the sense that Gojo doesn't need to consciously use it)but NOT instantaneous, the cursed technique still does the threat calculation process(detecting speed, mass, size, cursed energy, etc). This means that any character considerably faster than Gojo(who is at best 2x ftl without wanking) would be able to blitz the techniques activation time and hit Gojo.
3:58 for this one i would like to point out two things First infinity works on an atomic level as you said meaning any attack that works on a subatomic level can just bypass it Second you actually dont need infinity speed you just need to be fast enough to blitz gojo because of the zenos paradox explanation of infinity it likely means you dont get slowed down every cm or m you move but if you reach a certain distance within infinity now here is the thing,the slow down is never called instant just automatic and with other factors about infinity the slow down not being instant is infact more consistent(reason why it didnt happen in jjk is because gojo is either the fastest of second fastest in jjk) Enjoy the extra engagement from this comment
domain expansion would not work on goku considering that gokus body woulf just subconsciously activate mui and empty his mind from ever even experiencing the infinite information. he still stomps
By the way! Since Ki is the *life energy* found in *each and every* living being, then Goku could sense him, even if Cursed Energy was different from ki
"Hey its me goku!" _uses intabt transmission to get behind gojo_ "I heard you were pretty strong.." _starts loading up a small ki blast behind gojo_ "Lets see how strong you really are" *_recreats the exact way gojo originally died_* Ye goku is just too strong from gojo, goku is so much more faster then gojo that goku can dodge his techniques other then yhe domain expansion, but heres something you forgot, time skip is overpowered, goku can littreally just stop time for 5+ seconds and in those seconds just kill gojo before the fight has even started, even if gojo knew what to use and how to start a battle and what not gojo can time skip and then its already over
@@Mamafakerr Goku can't time skip however. When he fought against hit, his overwhelming ki was enough to disrupt space around him causing the time skip to take less effect on him. eventually hit was able to fortify and extend the duration of his timeskip which is what caused trouble for goku before the fight ended.
@@christiankirby8092 still, goku is so un-comparable to gojo its impossible for gojo to win, its first epesoides in the saiyan saga the cameramen coudnt see the fight beacuse of how fast the fighters were fighting, SAIYAN SAGA, now imagine UI goku, im telling you before even a second goes by goku has already had a finger blast ready to fire at gojo, MUI goku has up to 670 undecillion MPH, for comparison the speed of light is 670,616,629, and 670 undecillion is 670,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Yes, I DO NOT THINK GOJO CAN EVEN DO ANYTHING, I AM NOT EVEN JOKING, make gojo 10x faster the the speed of light fuck it make him 1000x faster d ride him, he will still only be 670,616,629,000, not even a half a quarter the speed of goku, goku can just walk in mui and even dance and all he will have to do is lift his finger up, and shoot a ki blast on gojo
Gojo: H O L L O W P U R P L E 200% Goku: *Slaps it away* Gojo: Oh nah bro....Not gonna lie bro....we are cooked. Edit:Goku does have resistence to mind abilities like illusions and stuff (Mind's Eye). Also Vegeta resisted Babidis mind magic that takes over the mind and soul, since Current Goku is more powerful than Majin Vegeta he should be able to resist it as well no? Given how Ki works in the show.
I feel this argument strongly depends on which universe you put the two in. Because goku's speed is supposedly infinite, in a standard universe with regular physics(jjk) it would be theoretically impossible for goku to go max speed like that. Even so, this gassed up gojo we're talking about most likely could beat goku if he knows exactly what he's going into. He could realistically just start off the fight and pop infinite void, then instantaneously slop out a hollow purple, and since we're assuming that this hollow purple is essentially just an eraser, I believe gojo would probably instakill in this very specific, very biased situation. In a one-on-one, he still has a very, very, VERY small chance of winning. Also you suck for spoiling gojo dying for me. (I kinda walked into it I guess but still you couldve given a manga spoiler warning, since some people [me] are only watching the anime since i dont like reading)
@@linkonit brother, JJK has BEEN done 😭 But in retrospect, I guess anime-only's exist soooo my bad. I do feel some sort of pride in being the one to spoil you tho so :3
Hollow purple is not a eraser technique, gojo can only manipulate space time in the atomic level which is not even close to being an erase technique in his skill category, and also Goku survived an Hakai before in the tournament of power when he was off guard when Frieza threw it at him and still manage to survive long enough for beerus to blow it off of him lol, and remember an Hakai is a technique where it completely erase the body and soul and the fact that in that arc Goku managed to survive while being off guard says about his resistance to erasure attacks, so no hollow is not killing Goku no matter how many goku let goku throw at him.
Bro how is this fair charecters back in the buu sage where screaming through dimensions that werent even connected considering it was stated that when frieza was training in the hyperbolic timeshamber he wasnt counted as part of the strongest wish for gas since he was in a completely different space time so even if u think goku cant past through infinite and thats huge if considering charecters in dragon ball have speeds faster than infinity or even faster than time he could just break through it just how he can break through hits time dimension
ngl i dont understand needing infinit speed to pass infinite distance since if infinite distance is what it says it is then even with infinite speed you cant get to the end of it since its still infinite but idk and also pretty sure this is all unrelated to this video lol
Infinite Speed:Able to travel an infinite distance within a finite amount of time The very definition of infinite speed means crossing an infinite distance
Definition of infinite speed is ability to cross infinite space, so yeah infinite speed can cross infinite space because that is what defines infinite speed
about the goku speed scaling you dont even need to go beyond the frieza arc for Infinite speed scaling for both the manga and anime(its more extreme in the anime)firstly daizenshuu made it clear that the mortal realm itself is infinite second vegeta confirmed strength and speed grow equally(exluding special cases)so any finite character getting infinite power(high uni)means infinite speed now second form frieza is stated in the anime and guides to be capable of destroying the entire universe(not overtime)then in the anime,dbzmanga,dbs manga all confirm final form frieza can destroy the universe now i will explain two things Firstly pl is most of the time non linear characters have gotten canonically many fold stronger yet only have a pl increase of 30%(reason why i said mostly is because goku vs vegeta and some parts of namek)second ki donation/genki are exponential and arent equal to how strong donar is but much stronger and here are some canon and non canon examples 1.kid buu: he is equal to ssj3 goku and ssj goku beat ultimate gohan clone who is confirmed as strong as original and gohan is the strongest ki donar here meaning the spirit bomb wouldnt have been effective if genki was linear 2.super android 13:goku went from being able to do nothing to melting him by existing 3. Og broly:they all were getting their asses beat but goku could beat broly after he being donated 4. top: and vegeta with barely any energy(cant even go ssj)have all his remaining ki to goku and it fully recharged him(he mightve even gotten stronger) Gotta carry this videos view count
Btw Hakai erases you to the conceptual level cuz if beerus can use hakai on a ghost (that same ghost that came back from being erased from the story he's from). And beerus still erased him. (And also goku would've erased zamasu but the reason he didn't is because Zamasu was using Mai as a Human Shield). Hollow purple aint killing no one in dbz arguments even in db.
Sorry to say, but if curse energy is negative energy, all goku needs to do is a mini spirit bomb…and it will destroy red and blue, even hollow purple, goku used the ssjb kaioken to run past hits time skip (key word time) so goku can run past that, even through his base form right now..
I dont see whats disingenuous about saying he absorbed God in the manga, if anything Its likely he did considering the Manga wasnt meant to be its own thing at the time so using it as proof as to say he didn’t absorb the God form is if anything is disingenuous in itself because the Manga was a promotion for the Anime. Also RoF the movie is canon to the manga and in the mini manga version, Goku still has the God absorbed in that and it was written by Toyotaro aswell and Toriyama. Edit: Also after doing research, I was able to find out the manga skipped most of the moments that happened in the manga version of events and was meant to promote Battle of Gods the same way the RoF Mini Manga was promoting the movie version implying yes, Goku did infact absorb SSJG in the manga..
If gojo hit goku with infinite void it would actually be good for him because since gojo can't really damage him while his mind is flooded with information that is mainly if goku is in ultra instinct and after the domain is over goku will at least be smart not infinitely smart but smarter
@@GOJO_SATAROU2948INFINITY I'm gonna be honest, I just kinda forgot :3 Also, UI requires a calm mind to use, and considering Unlimited Void injects your mind with infinite information, Goku's mind wouldn't be very calm.
Sorry I was texting and something was tossed towards me and it screwed up my texting. But your right about one thing Goku can kill gojo but reach him? No unless you use cc Goku I don't care
Actually no goku does share that vegito feat just differently in that sense of keeping his strength. While vegito was just as powerful, goku would become weaker the same way he did when he was super tiny inside buu
Goku could still sense gojo due to his energy or "aura" or the air around him, which goku has shown he can do without ki. You may say, "Then what about the androids" and to that, i say it's because they are made to not be sensed and they have seemingly no sensible life force. Goku was also shown in battle of gods to sense danger from beerus when his existence and power can not be sensed by lower or people without god ki. Gojo on the other hand even if you wanted to say he could sense ki would not be able to correctly read goku ki due to it being insanely massive and goku also having god ki which can only be sensed felt by other gods or people who have gotten used to fighting gods.
@@santadipbiswas9266 Even being able to perceive and comprehend Solaris would mean Sonic has to be the same dimensionality as Solaris, but I'll try to next time I bring it up.
Scaling dragon ball super hurts my brain too because people disagree with one another so much that it seems like if there is a statement saying " Goku Transcends time " People be like well the word Transcends means this in sayen language and time is a word so you can't Transcends it. One the other side people be like goku Transcends time in real life so he is above fiction.
One thing you should have mentioned is that if we grant gojo movement in zero time, than you would need infinitely greater speed to bypass infinity which ssb goku has because he can keep up with jiren who Transcends time. ( lowball)
Another thing goku can dodge the domain because the Guaranteed hit effect only look guaranteed because jjk characters are slow. Saying something is guaranteed is a no limits fallacy at best you can argue it to be instantaneous but goku has speed faster than instantaneous also after someone opens the domain you gey hit by the guaranteed effect if you slow the process down a million times you will find that some time passes between the domain opening and the activation of the Guaranteed hit. Even ignoring all of this the domain is bound by time which goku isn't. Anything stated to be instant is based on what the characters view as instantaneous if not specifically stated otherwise. Do you agree?????
That can be even light speed, as in some fictions, moving at the speed of light can give you a mock immeasurable speed by sending you through time. Immeasurable Speed lets you move through time through sheer speed alone, and irrelevant speed, the concepts of distance and time lose all meaning. But the universe likely isn't going to collapse or anything like that when going those speeds, unless the fiction is a little more realistic. For example, even moving infinite speed would likely fuck with space-time in our real world.
@@Unremarkable6969 but... What kind of feat is being able to move to in an inescapable space that has no space and time existing in it. But you have enough power to break through the fabric of said void with space and time being non-existent in it.
In voids without space and time you need to be careful, as some authors don't actually know what that means. Technically, to move in a space without time, you would need inaccessible speeds to do so. Voids without space-time are similar, as it's essentially a void of nothing. But you can't really destroy nothing since nothing is there. You'd likely need to be a higher dimension to completely nuke the dimension.
@@Unremarkable6969 no like. What I ment is your strong enough. To forcefully tear the fabric of the void where your able to make a portal/rift to appear but not strong enough to destroy the entire thing.
@josiahjohnj.firmalino2664 Ah. Well, there isn't really a term for it. Depending on the fiction, for example in DB even Galaxy busters are able to do it, but some fiction may hold space-time in a higher regard. I mainly scale Dragon Ball so anything outside of that I wouldn't be too familiar with.
Wouldn’t Gokus mind automatically go UI while in Gonos domain. As it fuels his mind so much that he becomes brain dead.kinda like what happened against Jiren when Goku first went UI
This whole argument does not make sense. I have not watched Dragonball yet but from what you said, the macrocosm is at least 10 infinities in size. So how do you use a unit of measurement to describe something that cannot be measured🤔
I'm not trying to say that Gojo is stronger, but if they can both pull off feats that deal with infinity (which by definition means something that cannot be measured) then how does it make sense to scale one infinity over another. It's pointless 🤦🏿♂️
a thing i like to do to be annoying is saying that gojo is the strongest of his verse, meaning stronger then dagon who can make a island yes, but also a planet and the sun and even a whole universe with in his domain, and that universe can be one of many, and sense gojo is stronger then dagon gojo is multiversal plus
12:26 i know you are high balling gojo but my hate for jjk fanboys is way too much to not debunk the blackhole Firstly yuki doesnt scale to it since it fucking kills her meaning neither does gojo since he doesn't need to surpass it to be considered stronger than yuki now that specific blackhole was town level(it would only destroy the planet overtime)due to the fact it was nowhere near as potent as actual blackholes that size also the destruction it caused
I like the video, but I do have some things that I question about. The first is the vegetto resist buu hax. It really doesn't say that only vegetto has the power to resist that kind of hax. We have other characters resist being turned into something else. The androids couldn't be turned into normal humans by the dragon ball. Dragon ball couldn't kill characters that were stronger than his creator. The next one. mind haxs. Where does it say in dragon ball or jujutsu kaisen that opponents got to have the same power type to resist it? To my knowledge that is not a requirement. I never understand where people are getting this from? It is never said that in dragon ball to resist mind haxs outside their universe they need the same power to resist it. Unless the anime in question said the only resist mind abilities is to have the same powers . This is not me complaining about the video or anything again I like it. It's just those two things I don't like.
whule i agree goku wins, a little disingenuous to use goku moving around in the future timeline for immeasurable speed and not gojo moving around in the prison realm for immeasurable speed as well, just a nitpick
@@marlonmug6037 its never been stated that no one is capable of moving within the prison realm though. On the contrary it has been stated within the manga that people trapped in the prison realm are capable of taking their own life. I honestly wouldn't really count it as much of a feat.
@ it was stated to not have time just like how the creator said it for the goku feat, if you’re gonna wank both characters just be fair with it, they’re both immeasurable
![[MV] A leap of faith...ความเชื่อใจครั้งสุดท้าย (From "Petrichor the series")](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/U1piZH2CNXA/mqdefault.jpg)
![BOWKYLION - วิงวอน (ex-change) [Official MV]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cLdnZWDaO-w/mqdefault.jpg)
Apologies! In the video, I refer to Gege Akutami, author of JJK, as a he, but from what I can tell, they go by they/them, my apologies. I was being stupid 😓
I don’t think any really noticed or cared so your good I thinks he’s a dude
Well, one time, he referred to himself using masculine Kanji but changed it because of all the fanletters he got after Gojo Died by Sukuna
Gege most likely did this to keep his identity a secret
How the fuck is they/them that stupide ethier he or she
And also he is married
liberal
You're a better person than me
"Nuclear missle vs coughing baby" ahh argument
@@stain5570 "Supernova VS Ant" ahh argument
@@Unremarkable6969”gamma ray burst vs spec of dirt” aah argument
“Singularity of a black hole VS A micro instant of a cell (not that type of cell)” ahh matchup
"Supermassive black hole vs unborn fetus" ahh argument
@Unremarkable6969 The Infinite box vs. a sperm ahh argument
Goku speedruns him, how people think he cant get through infinity is beyond me.
Buu Saga Goku victim 💀
@@Unremarkable6969 🙏💀 fr
@@Unremarkable6969base goku dbs Victim fr [and that’s overkill]
@@Unremarkable6969kid goku victim
@@B3YONDRAGONZ kid goku already had near planet busting feats and light speed feats
"The Strongest Sorcerer of today vs The Strongest Under the Heavens."
COOK! 🔥🔥🔥
I Am The Warrior You've Heard Of In Legends
@@Trizon_ I am pure of heart and awakened by fury!
@@Oyflim_The_GreatTHATS WHAT I AM
@@Trizon_
I am the super Saiyan...SON GOKU!!!!!
My argument for Goku surviving Infinite Void is that,
Goku can perceive infinite information because (as you said) he can move faster than infinite speed, and he can think and understand everything when he's moving at that speed. So since he moves, sees, and thinks at immeasurable (arguably irrelevent speed) speed infinite void should be no problem
Also ultra instinct
Also because of dragon balls power systems: Ki
That makes me think that culd Goku select específic info for himself?
My argument is goku doesn't even need to think to fight because "autonomous divine ultra instinct" he doesn't think when he is in that form his body move by instinct at maximum speed so even if his mind is overloaded his body should be able to move and speed blitz gojo even through unlimited void
@@MaskmanProductsthere are so many way you can interpret goku mind resistances like his training under popo, korins water, and vegeta just sheer willpower overcoming babdi magic
Gojo ain't getting past Yamcha.
@@bottomtext593 yes
He probably ain't getting past Chiaotzu considering he had the ability to restrain Goku for a few seconds, and if you've watched Z, Goku and Vegeta at that point have handled gravity which are hundreds of times greater than ones on earth
@@Deaddokand the little guy has telekinesis
The dude can’t even tap saibamen
We don’t even have to think about breaking space time for Limitless. Limitless is an applied technique, however subconsciously. In the Hidden Inventory arc, Gojo explains that he maintains an Infinity barrier that filters out threats based on subconscious processing. So he has to perceive something as a threat (even at a subconscious level) for Infinity to even activate. So Limitless is still a technique that requires his very special but still human brain to function. The problem in that universe is that no one can move faster than Gojo’s perception. Goku, however, could EASILY move faster than Gojo’s perception, which has been measured in the manga at his fastest to be in the realm of tenths of a second reaction time
THIS, people forget that Infinity can only subconsciously activate if Gojo can perceive the thing attacking him.
This is the same reason why Gojo was caught off guard by when Sukuna went to punch him with domain amplification after he shot a dismantle at the building. If Gojo had perceived Sukuna's punch, the punch would not have gotten so close to his hand.
I love jjk. But I feel like people wank the series just for the hell of it. Like mountain level and island level is shaky to me. Planet level is just beyond me personally. And you don’t know how many times I’ve heard that Gojo is universal because he can make the impossible possible.
Gojo stans when he can't solo everyone (He's not even planet level)
but divine scaled gojo to planetary tho
@BarcaCatalonia-v1e I'm not divine 🗿
@ that’s mostly because of two things.
1. The sukuna planet statement on the back of every volume
2. Yuki’s blackhole
The first one doesn’t work because this statement can be interpreted in many ways. The more logical one is that he’s referring to society as we know it because why would someone who eats sukuna’s fingers be planet level? That’d be very inconsistent.
The second point doesn’t work because this acquires you to assume that Gojo or sukuna scale to yuki’s blackhole. This isn’t supported anywhere. At best you can say Gojo is the strongest so he has to scale over Yuki. But you can be stronger than someone and not scale to their strongest attack. I can be stronger than someone who has a gun. Yes the gun can one shot me but that doesn’t mean I can’t just knock out the person with a gun or take the gun before they even get the chance to use it. Also it’s very inconsistent and you’d need support how this feat is consistent with any other showings
@@jkunimage4187I agree with planetary gojo and sukuna but that’s it no one else isn’t jjk and it doesn’t even matter if they planetary 😂😂
Goku was shown avoiding attacks from opponents who are trillions of times faster than light (we can say that they are infinite) and Vegeta was even shown thinking in the middle of avoiding Jiren's punches.
Which means that the speed of comprehension of Dragon Ball characters is very fast, which means that the rate of input of information for the unlimited Void will seem very slow from Goku's perspective. Rather, he can absorb all the information infinitely at once and be completely unaffected and move and fight normally.
+
We know that a normal human can survive for 0.2 seconds, so even if we say Goku's brain is like a normal human brain, Goku has the Ultra Instinct that he can activate even when he is unconscious. In the Grunula Arc, we saw Goku completely unconscious, but he automatically performed the Ultra Instinct with Susanoo.
Add to that that Goku is much faster than light, which makes 0.2 seconds enough to eliminate Gojo or escape from the unlimited Void and erase Gojo from the outside
If we assume cursed energy and ki are similar enough types of energy. Gojo probably just gets folded. Goku is so far beyond him in strength that you could argue he'd simply just break the infinity ability using raw power and speed. The way he breaks Hit's timeskip which is a KI based technique that lets Hit skip forward in time.
And then there's also the fact that he can just scream out of it if super buu and gotenks can do it so can goku(super)
If you do equalize energy types, and you think Ki can no diff Hax if you're stronger than the opponent, Gojo is an Android 16 victim. Maybe Buuhan if you mega wank him.
@@Unremarkable6969 better fight for Gojo.
Po from Kung fu Panda boi!
@aninditaroy3143 no feats 🗿
@@Unremarkable6969 got one even better bluds a Recoome victim (Erasure gun was stated to not only vaporize objects but wrap space-time around them momentarily). Ppl don't even realize he would struggle to exist in early dragon ball and instantly gets no diffed in the namek saga.
Not the video I was expecting, I don't watch JJK but Ima watch cuz ur funni
Don't it's so cringe the characters all look like wimps
1:12 here is the thing ki is life energy(its alot more complex than that)meaning goku can sense anyone that qualifies as living or once living for dead people
My main question is if that would equate to Gojo having Ki, similar to how in Naruto characters have a chakra network that other verses don't.
@@Unremarkable6969it would kind off(going by a guide statement and anime statement any thing including atoms photons abstract concepts and literally anything has ki)since gojo doesn't really have all the things needed using ki but ki is still life energy meaning goku can sense him even without verse equalization
@ahmedriyad4264 hmmmmmm maybe
@@Unremarkable6969 Here's a metaphor:
All Bread, minus some bread (dead/artificial like Androids/different in Ki composition like God Ki. Think of these as radio waves in different wavelengths) used water to bake bread.
Which means Nearly all types of bread have water as an ingredient. Even if some have fillings like Croissant (JJK Curse Energy) as long as it is bread, the baker still used water to bake it.
Super Buus most emotional reaction: Screams at the top of his lungs.
Ki is not just ki.
Genki (元気 lit. "Vigor")
Yūki (勇気 lit. "Courage")
Shōki (正気 lit. "Right-mindedness")
(Dragoball Conzept).
There is a 4th form. Jaki, its a form thats relates to "negativ energy". That kind of energy can make you sick or bring "bad Luck". (japanese Conzept)
In Dragonball there is a clear conzept of "negativ" Ki, what is based on negativ emotions, what is the same kind how "curse energy" work.
Demon Ki = Just Evil ki, can manipulate things.
Majin Energy = Its a "Curse", what brings the badest side of a Person, when succesful.
Conzept of "Dark Dragonballs": They are full of Cursed Dark ki Energy. (But GT).
finally a proper immeasurable speed explanation for goku
goku power scaling is weird and unkown like he is so fast he can go an infinite distance but infinite is not infinite anymore, goku just became so incredibly over powered that he could probably one shot like infinite anime universes if you use that concept that he can destroy 10 infinity places of space in his base form, then we got gojo on MASSIVE steroids being like "my power level in universal and have speed of infinite" then goku just one shots base form: also great vid.
Great video, I got into a debate (argument) with some friends on discord and they just didn’t believe me that Goku stomps. Going to share this video!
@@Leonslowpoke highly appreciated
Love your videos dude, keep up the good work, 💪🏾🔥
Worst case, Goku has the Mafuba and is infinitely faster. Goku probably just overpowers or speeds past the limitless and one shots.
Didn't even bring up the Mafuba, but 100%. If prison realm can trap Gojo, so can the Mafuba.
To be fair though, Goku doesn't normally carry the materials for the Mafuba on him, so I don't know if I'd give him that as a win condition normally.
@ he could hold it in place without the seal, until he outlasts Gojo
True
@hellotoday7435 He could probably do that with God Bind
Great video! 🦅👍🏻
Highly appreciated 👍
This feels like pitting a level 50 Natu against a level 100 Giratina or just a dog against an elephant
The man was already split in half let him rest
I think Gojo has Ki, or at least a small amount of it-it's just life energy that everyone has. So I believe Goku could sense Gojo.
Additionally, I think you could compare cursed energy to Genki-the same energy Goku uses for his Genkidama. Normally, you can't sense or feel it, but when Goku builds up a Genkidama, you can feel it. I'd say it’s probably similar to Hollow Purple; you can't normally sense cursed energy, but when an attack like Hollow Purple is being built up, Goku could probably feel and sense the aura or negativity.
Cool Video, keep up the content
Remember how you said “people argue Goku was just stronger than hit” when referring to the timeskip fight? That’s exactly what would happen. Goku’s ki is just more powerful so it would ignore the hacks of infinity
@@zetasolos1 Potentially, however that works in Dragon Ball because those abilities are Ki based, and Hax abilities can be countered in DB with a higher Ki because of that. With Infinity it's technically a different energy type, and would be disingenuous to assume Goku could do something similar. But there is the possibility he could. I just chose a more neutral stance in this video, evidence as I kept gassing Gojo up as much as possible.
@@Unremarkable6969 what peapole still don't db characters ignoring ki hax
Is baisaclly a battle of souls or existence the highier you are the less the hax works on you
Unlike msgic
@@Unremarkable6969why do you think hits timeskip is ki based?
@@ssjdrink because it is?
@@Unremarkable6969 how do we know this? Is it because Hit powers up? I mean why wouldn’t he be able to power up?
Also another way to get past limitless is simply summon a afect onto Gojo himself or inside him like auto locking on or inside Gojo from a distance
Like freezing him solid from a distance by just sticking your hand out
Bro it's over, pack it up. someone's already powerscaled Chiaotzu higher than gojo. goku breathes on gojo and gojo is atomized.
@@redronin8288 Someone 🧐
@@Unremarkable6969 th-cam.com/video/rFnLmFEwAp4/w-d-xo.html lonk's tales
Oh, that guy 😮💨
I think gojo domain Expansion will have two effects on goku.
1. Goku will became smart because of the infinite info😂
2. The domain will not work because goku sometimes is a air head 😂
"I'm running this shit to the ground" 😂😂😂😂😂
In conclusion yes Goku absolutely murders gojo based off his withstanding abilities and the fact that all of his attacks scale obnoxiously higher then Gojos ever have
Absolute cinema
The fact that you’re able to see gojo while he uses infinity means that light is fast enough to get through it
Never thought of it like that 🤔
Gojo's infinity works a little different from how you may think. It's based on a passive and reactive calculation his brain is constantly doing to differentiate between what is and isn't dangerous to him. Things like light and oxygen don't pose a threat to him and he also needs oxygen to breathe. An ordinary rock also poses little threat but give it a trajectory and velocity and his passive and reactive infinity will begin to slow it down forever.
Just a side note gojo has 3 different forms of infinity from what we have seen in the anime. There is the infinity he had in the hidden inventory arc where he has to keep concentration to keep it up. This is more or less his active infinity. When he chooses to have infinity up this will be what he uses.
The second is after he learns RCT and he essentially programs his brain using mathematics to differentiate what is and isn't dangerous to him. It's basically what i described earlier so I won't explain it again. This is seen as an upgrade to his active infinity however the drawback is that if something that isn't perceived as an attack comes towards him, it will not be slowed down.
The third which he only showed once was against Hanami (he shows it once more in the manga against Sukuna although very brief). Instead of infinitely slowing down objects approaching him, he was instead infinitely pushing objects (or in this case Hanami) away from himself and crushing Hanami between his infinite pressure and the solid wall.
It moreso means he doesn't perceive light as a threat consciously or subconsciously so it isn't stopped
In one other video about verse equalization I saw JJK was used as an example, and if in remembering right JJK was esed as an example and there was a panel of a character that took the energy that exited within a plant which isn't cursed energy it might have been called life energy, and they converted that into cursed energy, plants apparently don't have cursed energy
Good video through
Goku also shot a Kamehameha wave from the living world through Hit's time dimension
Heck, Goku just needs to use instant transmission to bypass infinity and knock gojo out with 1 strike.
Cool video
@@fancyhorsee thanks man 👍
With domain expansion, I think goku is so dumb that hed try to comprehend it, but just get mad when he cant and accidentally go ssj, which in turn disintegrates the domain bc angry
Hype intro
thanks man
I don't know what's stopping Goku from putting up a barrier like he did against U9 or Vegito did inside of Buu the instant he detects something off (standard battle aura aside) especially with his telepathy, but if he did it'd be a good moment for gojo to drop some exposition on how it works otherwise... lol
@@MegaMachiOnline holy shit, I didn't even think of that.
Sailor Moon will be able to solo both.
@@SailorStarHero so facts
That gonna need a comp Goku to even have a chance lol
sailor moon is not touching goku lmao hes high outer
Duh
@@ezzitina Sailor Moon bodies
Ultra Instinct I think would actually give Goku an edge even if JoJo did use his domain expansion because it wouldn't matter if his mind is being flooded with infinite information if his body is able to fight on its own.
But there's also the fact that in the Jujutsu kaisen manga it's outright stated that domain expansions do not work on people who don't have cursed energy so the only way that the domain expansion would be able to work on Goku is if you made energy equivalent between the two of them I know that's what you did for the sake of Simplicity but I'm just saying
@@supernew10doh64 Potentially, but considering the gap between Goku and Gojo, I don't think Goku would be in UI when Gojo uses it, but I suppose that could be a counter.
@Unremarkable6969 I don't think Goku needs to be in Ultra instinct when Gojo does it since all that's needed for him to use ultra Instinct at least as far as we're told is for him to not think about dodging or attacking and if Goku's mind is being flooded with infinite information of whatever then this should in theory trigger his Ultra Instinct automatically especially because in the manga his Ultra Instinct more or less activated on its own in the granola Ark when he was knocked unconscious so if it can activate when he's knocked unconscious then it should in theory activate under these conditions as well not to mention the fact that he is able to use ultra Instinct in his other forms without transforming into the ultra Instinct transformation.
Amazing how you didn't bring up the ^2.5 Black flash scaling people love to do lol
I love to think about Atomic Samurai just Quick-Drawing Sukuna to pieces instantly due to how well you explained Hollow Purple.
I'd like to know if you think Gearshift Deku can bypass Infinity too, with how it works.
@@thedarknessinthelight9824 That would require me to know anything about MHA scaling :3
@@Unremarkable6969 Then pick up those MHA Books!!1!1 👹👹👹
@thedarknessinthelight9824 mid-hero academia 🤮
@@Unremarkable6969 I don't wanna hear that from Edgy The Edgehog 🙄
@thedarknessinthelight9824 The U.L.F.
W vid, you do realize even people like Sakura from naruto is clearly all top tiers in jjk? Or kid Goatku would be enough 😅
That's pushing it a little bit, it's not really implied you can just speed blitz limitless. The only evidence for this is when Gojo was less experienced with his technique than he is later down the story.
@3:48 id hope nearly anyone whos seen super should know this without a doubt 🧐
Edit; id also hope anyone who's watched jjk has already seen the goat of dbz etc
New sub
@@FrenzyFanboy Highly appreciated 👍
I believe that your assessment of domain expansions appearing on the target is incorrect.
We see that domain expansions can move through real space but that is not effected by the position of those within. Seemingly, what determines where a domain expansion can expand is the user. Clearly if people could expand domains without being there as well it would be a common occurrence.
Goku should simply be able to instant transmission out of any domain expansion
I’m pretty sure base gokus speed is insane
17:02 FINALLY, SOMEONE SAID IT, HOW HP ACTUALLY WORKS, I HATE PEOPLE SAYING IT ERASES THINGS
You think Cell could survive Hollow Purple? 🧐
@@Unremarkable6969 if released by someone stronger than Gojo like Goku, why not? its just like a Ki attack 🤓
If it scrambles his atoms, could Cell still regenerate from that?
@@Unremarkable6969 Well... if Cell's core is still intact after that, it might be able to regenerate from that, but Nah, HP would win (if we take what HP does to a literal point ignoring power differences)
Even frieza was able to somewhat casually survive hakai which ACTUALLY erases things
18:08 it called super sphere of distruction
Nerd
Wouldnt goku already have punched the living hell out of gojo before he is able to use a domain
yeah
I don't remember if this is true or not but doesn't Goku at a certain point train UI sign into his base form. if so, then his mind being flooded with infinite information is meaningless as his body will reflexively move in the infinite void even if he is turned into a vegetable. This also goes for if goku enters UI sign or UI before being put in the domain expansion but I doubt he'd go that far on Gojo.
gojo > the tiering system
gojo can create -1 apples
making -1 apples is illogical meaning gojo isn't bound by logic
the tiering system is of logic
so gojo transcends the tiering system
gojo solos fiction
In conclusion
Goku only loses if you make him have cursed energy for the domain expansion to work
Ignore the speed gap for gojo to make the domain expansion hand movement
And give gojo the technical win for making goku mentally challenge without ultra instint (goku is still beating the sht out of him after all this) and disqualify goku after killing him.
Ki is life energy
@@lazerbreaker4758 ☝️🤓
@Unremarkable6969 what yes they use curse energy but they still have normal energy so what i meant was goku can sense him
Goku vs Naruto doesn't exist 💀 We left that shit back in 2016
Actually the character doesn't even need to have infinite speed to surpass Gojos barrier. The activation of Infinity is automatic(in the sense that Gojo doesn't need to consciously use it)but NOT instantaneous, the cursed technique still does the threat calculation process(detecting speed, mass, size, cursed energy, etc).
This means that any character considerably faster than Gojo(who is at best 2x ftl without wanking) would be able to blitz the techniques activation time and hit Gojo.
While that might be true, I figured I'd give Gojo the absolute benefit of the doubt. I kinda did that the entire video.
Ultra instinct would bypass unlimited void i think because goku doesn't need his brain to use it
3:58 for this one i would like to point out two things
First infinity works on an atomic level as you said meaning any attack that works on a subatomic level can just bypass it
Second you actually dont need infinity speed you just need to be fast enough to blitz gojo because of the zenos paradox explanation of infinity it likely means you dont get slowed down every cm or m you move but if you reach a certain distance within infinity now here is the thing,the slow down is never called instant just automatic and with other factors about infinity the slow down not being instant is infact more consistent(reason why it didnt happen in jjk is because gojo is either the fastest of second fastest in jjk)
Enjoy the extra engagement from this comment
@@ahmedriyad4264 I do like engagement 🤔
Also, I did a lot of Gojo wank in this video, so yeah
@@Unremarkable6969the only difference not wanking gojo makes is its a bigger stomp
@@ahmedriyad4264Even hyper mega giga wanked Gojo is a Buuhan victim
domain expansion would not work on goku considering that gokus body woulf just subconsciously activate mui and empty his mind from ever even experiencing the infinite information. he still stomps
HOLLOW PURPLE IS LITERALLY A KI BLAST
it's a little more than a ki blast but it may feel that way to most dragon ball characters.
But weaker lol
By the way!
Since Ki is the *life energy* found in *each and every* living being, then Goku could sense him, even if Cursed Energy was different from ki
Hmmmmmmmm
Should've equalised energy so goku can win in style
How dare youtube hide this video from me
@@AydenWilliams-z3k tsk. tsk. tsk.
"Hey its me goku!"
_uses intabt transmission to get behind gojo_
"I heard you were pretty strong.."
_starts loading up a small ki blast behind gojo_
"Lets see how strong you really are"
*_recreats the exact way gojo originally died_*
Ye goku is just too strong from gojo, goku is so much more faster then gojo that goku can dodge his techniques other then yhe domain expansion, but heres something you forgot, time skip is overpowered, goku can littreally just stop time for 5+ seconds and in those seconds just kill gojo before the fight has even started, even if gojo knew what to use and how to start a battle and what not gojo can time skip and then its already over
At the end i meant to say goku :p
@@Mamafakerr Goku can't time skip however. When he fought against hit, his overwhelming ki was enough to disrupt space around him causing the time skip to take less effect on him. eventually hit was able to fortify and extend the duration of his timeskip which is what caused trouble for goku before the fight ended.
@@christiankirby8092 still, goku is so un-comparable to gojo its impossible for gojo to win, its first epesoides in the saiyan saga the cameramen coudnt see the fight beacuse of how fast the fighters were fighting, SAIYAN SAGA, now imagine UI goku, im telling you before even a second goes by goku has already had a finger blast ready to fire at gojo, MUI goku has up to 670 undecillion MPH, for comparison the speed of light is 670,616,629, and 670 undecillion is 670,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Yes, I DO NOT THINK GOJO CAN EVEN DO ANYTHING, I AM NOT EVEN JOKING, make gojo 10x faster the the speed of light fuck it make him 1000x faster d ride him, he will still only be 670,616,629,000, not even a half a quarter the speed of goku, goku can just walk in mui and even dance and all he will have to do is lift his finger up, and shoot a ki blast on gojo
Hey, who do you think would win Sonic or Goku?
Currently, Sonic.
@@Unremarkable6969 k, cool
Gojo: H O L L O W P U R P L E 200%
Goku: *Slaps it away*
Gojo: Oh nah bro....Not gonna lie bro....we are cooked.
Edit:Goku does have resistence to mind abilities like illusions and stuff (Mind's Eye).
Also Vegeta resisted Babidis mind magic that takes over the mind and soul, since Current Goku is more powerful than Majin Vegeta he should be able to resist it as well no? Given how Ki works in the show.
Do you have a discord, i want to silde you some goku scales.
my discord is SpoierShadow, fair warning I suck ass at responding
I feel this argument strongly depends on which universe you put the two in. Because goku's speed is supposedly infinite, in a standard universe with regular physics(jjk) it would be theoretically impossible for goku to go max speed like that. Even so, this gassed up gojo we're talking about most likely could beat goku if he knows exactly what he's going into. He could realistically just start off the fight and pop infinite void, then instantaneously slop out a hollow purple, and since we're assuming that this hollow purple is essentially just an eraser, I believe gojo would probably instakill in this very specific, very biased situation. In a one-on-one, he still has a very, very, VERY small chance of winning. Also you suck for spoiling gojo dying for me. (I kinda walked into it I guess but still you couldve given a manga spoiler warning, since some people [me] are only watching the anime since i dont like reading)
@@linkonit brother, JJK has BEEN done 😭
But in retrospect, I guess anime-only's exist soooo my bad.
I do feel some sort of pride in being the one to spoil you tho so :3
Hollow purple is not a eraser technique, gojo can only manipulate space time in the atomic level which is not even close to being an erase technique in his skill category, and also Goku survived an Hakai before in the tournament of power when he was off guard when Frieza threw it at him and still manage to survive long enough for beerus to blow it off of him lol, and remember an Hakai is a technique where it completely erase the body and soul and the fact that in that arc Goku managed to survive while being off guard says about his resistance to erasure attacks, so no hollow is not killing Goku no matter how many goku let goku throw at him.
@@Holychickenwing *assuming this hollow purple is just an eraser technique* as described in the video, that's what im basing off of
@@linkonit oh yea my bad, I wrote my statement before watching. Ur video fully, my bad OG 🤦🏿♂️🫤
Bro how is this fair charecters back in the buu sage where screaming through dimensions that werent even connected considering it was stated that when frieza was training in the hyperbolic timeshamber he wasnt counted as part of the strongest wish for gas since he was in a completely different space time so even if u think goku cant past through infinite and thats huge if considering charecters in dragon ball have speeds faster than infinity or even faster than time he could just break through it just how he can break through hits time dimension
ngl i dont understand needing infinit speed to pass infinite distance since if infinite distance is what it says it is then even with infinite speed you cant get to the end of it since its still infinite but idk and also pretty sure this is all unrelated to this video lol
The human mind isn't evolved to understand infinite, any guess is as good as either
Infinite Speed:Able to travel an infinite distance within a finite amount of time
The very definition of infinite speed means crossing an infinite distance
Definition of infinite speed is ability to cross infinite space, so yeah infinite speed can cross infinite space because that is what defines infinite speed
about the goku speed scaling you dont even need to go beyond the frieza arc for Infinite speed scaling for both the manga and anime(its more extreme in the anime)firstly daizenshuu made it clear that the mortal realm itself is infinite second vegeta confirmed strength and speed grow equally(exluding special cases)so any finite character getting infinite power(high uni)means infinite speed now second form frieza is stated in the anime and guides to be capable of destroying the entire universe(not overtime)then in the anime,dbzmanga,dbs manga all confirm final form frieza can destroy the universe now i will explain two things
Firstly pl is most of the time non linear characters have gotten canonically many fold stronger yet only have a pl increase of 30%(reason why i said mostly is because goku vs vegeta and some parts of namek)second ki donation/genki are exponential and arent equal to how strong donar is but much stronger and here are some canon and non canon examples 1.kid buu: he is equal to ssj3 goku and ssj goku beat ultimate gohan clone who is confirmed as strong as original and gohan is the strongest ki donar here meaning the spirit bomb wouldnt have been effective if genki was linear 2.super android 13:goku went from being able to do nothing to melting him by existing 3. Og broly:they all were getting their asses beat but goku could beat broly after he being donated 4. top: and vegeta with barely any energy(cant even go ssj)have all his remaining ki to goku and it fully recharged him(he mightve even gotten stronger)
Gotta carry this videos view count
@@ahmedriyad4264 The Freeza universal scaling is heavily contested and likely wouldn't hold up in a debate against a skeptical scaler.
Btw Hakai erases you to the conceptual level cuz if beerus can use hakai on a ghost (that same ghost that came back from being erased from the story he's from). And beerus still erased him. (And also goku would've erased zamasu but the reason he didn't is because Zamasu was using Mai as a Human Shield). Hollow purple aint killing no one in dbz arguments even in db.
Sorry to say, but if curse energy is negative energy, all goku needs to do is a mini spirit bomb…and it will destroy red and blue, even hollow purple, goku used the ssjb kaioken to run past hits time skip (key word time) so goku can run past that, even through his base form right now..
can you drop Toriyama anime and manga canon statement or panel
where?
@@Unremarkable6969 you got a link for it
Do you think Goku would survive Archie's atom manipulation
i don't know much about Archie scaling, but most likely
@@Unremarkable6969 that blue rat can't compare to my glorious king🙏
@@BramXDLolDick riding...
Ah yes GG akutami
I dunno, they should get a better name
@@Unremarkable6969 💀
I dont see whats disingenuous about saying he absorbed God in the manga, if anything Its likely he did considering the Manga wasnt meant to be its own thing at the time so using it as proof as to say he didn’t absorb the God form is if anything is disingenuous in itself because the Manga was a promotion for the Anime.
Also RoF the movie is canon to the manga and in the mini manga version, Goku still has the God absorbed in that and it was written by Toyotaro aswell and Toriyama.
Edit: Also after doing research, I was able to find out the manga skipped most of the moments that happened in the manga version of events and was meant to promote Battle of Gods the same way the RoF Mini Manga was promoting the movie version implying yes, Goku did infact absorb SSJG in the manga..
If everyone already knows the result, MANY people making videos saying goku wins, what is the meaning of this particular video being made?
@@RodrigoNROfficial I wanted to :3
If gojo hit goku with infinite void it would actually be good for him because since gojo can't really damage him while his mind is flooded with information that is mainly if goku is in ultra instinct and after the domain is over goku will at least be smart not infinitely smart but smarter
@@GOJO_SATAROU2948INFINITY I'm gonna be honest, I just kinda forgot :3
Also, UI requires a calm mind to use, and considering Unlimited Void injects your mind with infinite information, Goku's mind wouldn't be very calm.
Jiren walk through time
Sorry I was texting and something was tossed towards me and it screwed up my texting. But your right about one thing Goku can kill gojo but reach him? No unless you use cc Goku I don't care
Actually no goku does share that vegito feat just differently in that sense of keeping his strength. While vegito was just as powerful, goku would become weaker the same way he did when he was super tiny inside buu
Goku smokes gojo, like too many ppl glaze gojo
Goku could still sense gojo due to his energy or "aura" or the air around him, which goku has shown he can do without ki. You may say, "Then what about the androids" and to that, i say it's because they are made to not be sensed and they have seemingly no sensible life force. Goku was also shown in battle of gods to sense danger from beerus when his existence and power can not be sensed by lower or people without god ki. Gojo on the other hand even if you wanted to say he could sense ki would not be able to correctly read goku ki due to it being insanely massive and goku also having god ki which can only be sensed felt by other gods or people who have gotten used to fighting gods.
Hay in your next sonic video explain the solares feat. It is stated that he was weakened and sonic could not harm his superdimentional self.
@@santadipbiswas9266 Even being able to perceive and comprehend Solaris would mean Sonic has to be the same dimensionality as Solaris, but I'll try to next time I bring it up.
Scaling dragon ball super hurts my brain too because people disagree with one another so much that it seems like if there is a statement saying
" Goku Transcends time "
People be like well the word Transcends means this in sayen language and time is a word so you can't Transcends it. One the other side people be like goku Transcends time in real life so he is above fiction.
One thing you should have mentioned is that if we grant gojo movement in zero time, than you would need infinitely greater speed to bypass infinity which ssb goku has because he can keep up with jiren who Transcends time. ( lowball)
Another thing goku can dodge the domain because the Guaranteed hit effect only look guaranteed because jjk characters are slow. Saying something is guaranteed is a no limits fallacy at best you can argue it to be instantaneous but goku has speed faster than instantaneous also after someone opens the domain you gey hit by the guaranteed effect if you slow the process down a million times you will find that some time passes between the domain opening and the activation of the Guaranteed hit. Even ignoring all of this the domain is bound by time which goku isn't.
Anything stated to be instant is based on what the characters view as instantaneous if not specifically stated otherwise.
Do you agree?????
stop debating this fight oh my god, my blue eyed king gets slammed and its not even funny how easily he'd die 😭
What class of speed is "moving so fast that the fabric of reality is being torn"?
That can be even light speed, as in some fictions, moving at the speed of light can give you a mock immeasurable speed by sending you through time.
Immeasurable Speed lets you move through time through sheer speed alone, and irrelevant speed, the concepts of distance and time lose all meaning.
But the universe likely isn't going to collapse or anything like that when going those speeds, unless the fiction is a little more realistic. For example, even moving infinite speed would likely fuck with space-time in our real world.
@@Unremarkable6969 but... What kind of feat is being able to move to in an inescapable space that has no space and time existing in it. But you have enough power to break through the fabric of said void with space and time being non-existent in it.
In voids without space and time you need to be careful, as some authors don't actually know what that means. Technically, to move in a space without time, you would need inaccessible speeds to do so. Voids without space-time are similar, as it's essentially a void of nothing. But you can't really destroy nothing since nothing is there. You'd likely need to be a higher dimension to completely nuke the dimension.
@@Unremarkable6969 no like. What I ment is your strong enough. To forcefully tear the fabric of the void where your able to make a portal/rift to appear but not strong enough to destroy the entire thing.
@josiahjohnj.firmalino2664 Ah.
Well, there isn't really a term for it. Depending on the fiction, for example in DB even Galaxy busters are able to do it, but some fiction may hold space-time in a higher regard. I mainly scale Dragon Ball so anything outside of that I wouldn't be too familiar with.
Wouldn’t Gokus mind automatically go UI while in Gonos domain. As it fuels his mind so much that he becomes brain dead.kinda like what happened against Jiren when Goku first went UI
I'm being extremely generous to Gojo in this video and assuming that Goku wouldn't just speed blitz Gojo with UI.
This whole argument does not make sense. I have not watched Dragonball yet but from what you said, the macrocosm is at least 10 infinities in size. So how do you use a unit of measurement to describe something that cannot be measured🤔
I'm not trying to say that Gojo is stronger, but if they can both pull off feats that deal with infinity (which by definition means something that cannot be measured) then how does it make sense to scale one infinity over another. It's pointless 🤦🏿♂️
It's a concept in mathematics called Aleph Null, which is the combination of all possible numbers.
a thing i like to do to be annoying is saying that gojo is the strongest of his verse, meaning stronger then dagon who can make a island yes, but also a planet and the sun and even a whole universe with in his domain, and that universe can be one of many, and sense gojo is stronger then dagon gojo is multiversal plus
If you wanna wank it 🙄
In dragon ball hax are negated if it’s used on somebody stronger than the user so goku could prob just tank gojos domain
While that could potentially be an outcome, that really only works on Ki Techniques or magic, and Cursed Energy is neither. So I wouldn't be so sure.
BROTHER
💀 gojo ain't town lvl ......man GAVE HIM THE STATS OF A DEMIGOD
And he still gets no diffed by base Goku
@Unremarkable6969 sadly
12:26 i know you are high balling gojo but my hate for jjk fanboys is way too much to not debunk the blackhole
Firstly yuki doesnt scale to it since it fucking kills her meaning neither does gojo since he doesn't need to surpass it to be considered stronger than yuki now that specific blackhole was town level(it would only destroy the planet overtime)due to the fact it was nowhere near as potent as actual blackholes that size also the destruction it caused
@@ahmedriyad4264 The energy required to create a blackhole would probably be more than town level? I would assume anyway.
@@Unremarkable6969 that would be the case if yuki's blackhole was equal to real blackholes which isn't the case
Yeah, its like calling Obito pre Juubi a planet buster level just because he can summon black Hole on a whim
WAIT WAIT WAIT! THIS MEANS GOJO MIGHT LOSE TO A BLACK HOLE!?
@@Veryunderratedyter yes
Get goio past chatsou
@@naser-cj9ys you literally can't tho 😭
@Unremarkable6969 exactly chauotsu beats gojo
Unremarkable, i see your point here.. but? Can you defeat Goku?
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I like the video, but I do have some things that I question about.
The first is the vegetto resist buu hax.
It really doesn't say that only vegetto has the power to resist that kind of hax. We have other characters resist being turned into something else.
The androids couldn't be turned into normal humans by the dragon ball.
Dragon ball couldn't kill characters that were stronger than his creator.
The next one. mind haxs. Where does it say in dragon ball or jujutsu kaisen that opponents got to have the same power type to resist it?
To my knowledge that is not a requirement.
I never understand where people are getting this from? It is never said that in dragon ball to resist mind haxs outside their universe they need the same power to resist it.
Unless the anime in question said the only resist mind abilities is to have the same powers .
This is not me complaining about the video or anything again I like it. It's just those two things I don't like.
whule i agree goku wins, a little disingenuous to use goku moving around in the future timeline for immeasurable speed and not gojo moving around in the prison realm for immeasurable speed as well, just a nitpick
I believe I did bring that up in the video, so :3
@@Unremarkable6969 you didnt, i think, could be wrong but i jsut watched it so idk
@@marlonmug6037 its never been stated that no one is capable of moving within the prison realm though. On the contrary it has been stated within the manga that people trapped in the prison realm are capable of taking their own life.
I honestly wouldn't really count it as much of a feat.
@ it was stated to not have time just like how the creator said it for the goku feat, if you’re gonna wank both characters just be fair with it, they’re both immeasurable
How is this a debate
horny jjk fans imao
superman gets soloed
aw hell nah
Fuck it gojo solos all of DBZ debate me👹
Okay, you got discord?
No concept of diffs gojo
On Gaia