Apologies! In the video, I refer to Gege Akutami, author of JJK, as a he, but from what I can tell, they go by they/them, my apologies. I was being stupid 😓
Well, one time, he referred to himself using masculine Kanji but changed it because of all the fanletters he got after Gojo Died by Sukuna, Gege most likely did this to keep his identity a secret
He probably ain't getting past Chiaotzu considering he had the ability to restrain Goku for a few seconds, and if you've watched Z, Goku and Vegeta at that point have handled gravity which are hundreds of times greater than ones on earth
Let gojo have some rest, his fanboys are the only ones who scale him that high I met one who said "Gojo is the strongest in anime (prove to me how goku can bypass infinity if you disagree)" and then me and other guy started explaining it to him and he kept saying "no, but you can't bypass infinity" and "but Gojo's infinity cant be bypassed" I am currently waiting for a response from him actually
Frr just pure glazing I for one have seen different glazing of Goku and it never ends😂😂every time I think I have seen it all I see another video where Goku is being wanked to have infinite everything 😂😂 don't even know WTF that means but man got hit by a laser and almost died...so much for infinite shit since infinity is something quantifiable in Goku and to Goku fans😂as for Gojo idgaf if he wins or not Goku ain't getting past infinity as far as I'm concerned.
My argument for Goku surviving Infinite Void is that, Goku can perceive infinite information because (as you said) he can move faster than infinite speed, and he can think and understand everything when he's moving at that speed. So since he moves, sees, and thinks at immeasurable (arguably irrelevent speed) speed, infinite void should be no problem
My argument is goku doesn't even need to think to fight because "autonomous divine ultra instinct" he doesn't think when he is in that form his body move by instinct at maximum speed so even if his mind is overloaded his body should be able to move and speed blitz gojo even through unlimited void
@@VVamunosthere are so many way you can interpret goku mind resistances like his training under popo, korins water, and vegeta just sheer willpower overcoming babdi magic
I love jjk. But I feel like people wank the series just for the hell of it. Like mountain level and island level is shaky to me. Planet level is just beyond me personally. And you don’t know how many times I’ve heard that Gojo is universal because he can make the impossible possible.
@ that’s mostly because of two things. 1. The sukuna planet statement on the back of every volume 2. Yuki’s blackhole The first one doesn’t work because this statement can be interpreted in many ways. The more logical one is that he’s referring to society as we know it because why would someone who eats sukuna’s fingers be planet level? That’d be very inconsistent. The second point doesn’t work because this acquires you to assume that Gojo or sukuna scale to yuki’s blackhole. This isn’t supported anywhere. At best you can say Gojo is the strongest so he has to scale over Yuki. But you can be stronger than someone and not scale to their strongest attack. I can be stronger than someone who has a gun. Yes the gun can one shot me but that doesn’t mean I can’t just knock out the person with a gun or take the gun before they even get the chance to use it. Also it’s very inconsistent and you’d need support how this feat is consistent with any other showings
Goku was shown avoiding attacks from opponents who are trillions of times faster than light (we can say that they are infinite) and Vegeta was even shown thinking in the middle of avoiding Jiren's punches. Which means that the speed of comprehension of Dragon Ball characters is very fast, which means that the rate of input of information for the unlimited Void will seem very slow from Goku's perspective. Rather, he can absorb all the information infinitely at once and be completely unaffected and move and fight normally. + We know that a normal human can survive for 0.2 seconds, so even if we say Goku's brain is like a normal human brain, Goku has the Ultra Instinct that he can activate even when he is unconscious. In the Grunula Arc, we saw Goku completely unconscious, but he automatically performed the Ultra Instinct with Susanoo. Add to that that Goku is much faster than light, which makes 0.2 seconds enough to eliminate Gojo or escape from the unlimited Void and erase Gojo from the outside
We don’t even have to think about breaking space time for Limitless. Limitless is an applied technique, however subconsciously. In the Hidden Inventory arc, Gojo explains that he maintains an Infinity barrier that filters out threats based on subconscious processing. So he has to perceive something as a threat (even at a subconscious level) for Infinity to even activate. So Limitless is still a technique that requires his very special but still human brain to function. The problem in that universe is that no one can move faster than Gojo’s perception. Goku, however, could EASILY move faster than Gojo’s perception, which has been measured in the manga at his fastest to be in the realm of tenths of a second reaction time
This is the same reason why Gojo was caught off guard by when Sukuna went to punch him with domain amplification after he shot a dismantle at the building. If Gojo had perceived Sukuna's punch, the punch would not have gotten so close to his hand.
100% Highly doubt Gojo nor his subconscious nor his technique can process anything at ‘Infinite Speed’ and likely has a limit on how quick it can do it as you’ve said.
If we assume cursed energy and ki are similar enough types of energy. Gojo probably just gets folded. Goku is so far beyond him in strength that you could argue he'd simply just break the infinity ability using raw power and speed. The way he breaks Hit's timeskip which is a KI based technique that lets Hit skip forward in time.
If you do equalize energy types, and you think Ki can no diff Hax if you're stronger than the opponent, Gojo is an Android 16 victim. Maybe Buuhan if you mega wank him.
@@Unremarkable6969 got one even better bluds a Recoome victim (Erasure gun was stated to not only vaporize objects but wrap space-time around them momentarily). Ppl don't even realize he would struggle to exist in early dragon ball and instantly gets no diffed in the namek saga.
First of all, Gojo can't use all three of those at once he would need to be able to somehow trap Goku in the barrier of the Domain, which Goku can easily dodge and Hollow Purple takes time to use especially if we count the 200% Purple from the Manga he would need to announce his attacks and also do the chant just pointing that out for you.
@@trevorcash2388 I believe these Goku fans do anything but Goku in start of dragon ball super is enough 1st :- bro is gonna take gojo to space how gojo is gonna breathe 2nd :- gojos energy level is pathetic he was so exhausted after killing 1k spirits in Shibuya Goku will just douge until he runs out of energy and then who is gonna save gojo 15:01 3rd :- in video he already told that Goku can go past gojos infinity 4th :- even if gojo hits Goku or take him in infinite void it will be easy for Goku to come out with just some hits or if he go in UI then untouched 5th :- we are talking about Goku if kakarot does it he will end it just like sakuna one punch😂
@peerless_guy As I said, Gojo is good ngl, but he hard stops at Buu Saga. I know Super Goku would wipe the floor with Gojo, but that wasn't even part of related to what I said. Also, Sukuna didn't end it in one punch he had to use Mahoraga to adapt to Gojo's infinity then use a Binding Vow to not use his Domain Handsign for the Wold Slash since if Gojo saw it he would've just dodged the slash the second he did the Domain Handsign
Goku can activate UI in basically any form at this point to an extent, therefore even if domain expansion spawned on him, it wouldn’t stop Goku from fighting and destroying Gojo. He would be able to get through Gojos infinity with a punch as a much weaker version of the character was able to almost destroy Universe 7 which is a macrocosm comprised of multiple universal sized (and beyond universe sized) infinities stacked onto each other, he’d just be able to break through Gojos Infinity given how it works based on manipulation of time space. And Goku being able to fight characters like Jiren who transcends time, its a huge mismatch and Gojo doesn’t stand a chance
1:12 here is the thing ki is life energy(its alot more complex than that)meaning goku can sense anyone that qualifies as living or once living for dead people
@@Unremarkable6969it would kind off(going by a guide statement and anime statement any thing including atoms photons abstract concepts and literally anything has ki)since gojo doesn't really have all the things needed using ki but ki is still life energy meaning goku can sense him even without verse equalization
@@Unremarkable6969 Here's a metaphor: All Bread, minus some bread (dead/artificial like Androids/different in Ki composition like God Ki. Think of these as radio waves in different wavelengths) used water to bake bread. Which means Nearly all types of bread have water as an ingredient. Even if some have fillings like Croissant (JJK Curse Energy) as long as it is bread, the baker still used water to bake it.
@@Unremarkable6969 Chakra comes from the fact that Naruto characters have alien DNA and a whole other system in their body similar to the nervous system but with their chakra instead. Because of this it can be argued that someone like Naruto wouldn’t be able to sense the energy of a character from a different verse (well you still could argue that he can due to perfecting sage mode and nature energy, being able to sense things and animals that don’t have chakra, but most characters don’t have that ability). With Goku or any of the other Z fighters, they would be able to sense someone’s life force as long as they aren’t an Android or machine. This applies to JJK characters. They are almost all organic creatures with a life force and even a soul
The minute gojo uses infinity he makes goku learn every thing about his verse and UI will automatically activate and his body will start use these new abilities like crazy.
@@KingOC-z77uy Gojo when Goku learns and comprehends everything in the universe (He can now create his own domain, use reversed cursed technique, and more.)
@@Unremarkable6969 Ok, I agree with some of what you're seeing. Been a DBZ fan since it came out on Toonami where I got VHS tapes to watch Japanese episode back in the day. I Watched everything of the series, everything! Read the Manga too. Several issues here. To say Goku would survive things that can disintegrate anything is a bit ridiculous. DBZ is so inconsistent with it's logic/scaling it's crazy. You didn't point out the flaws in your scaling. You didn't point out the inconsistency's within the DBZ universe, only how powerful they are without the holes in the universe. Goku got shot by friezas minion from behind with a blaster gun and was dying (Goku base form is still crazy strong), Goke has ultra reaction speed he could of dodged it irrelevant of being taken by surpris. Read flash comics, he was hit by a bullet, but felt it on his skin before it penetrated and fazed out of it, Goku could of dodged it. Vegeta during the Hit Tournament in the manga had a hard time lifting the robot that didn't weigh that much. To say DBZ universe is infinite and they are traveling at such speed, but every other issue a new characters is moving fast than that? lol When the pig, Bulma and so forth at times can tell whats happening during certain fights in the series. To say Goku was in an empty void of the universe and existed there what he was brought there by a DRwho Tardis , by the way trunks was there and his jeans to. Strong jeans. Goku would easily beat GOJO, but I don't think he(goku) would survive being hit by Infinite void. Goku can't even freaking do basic math and to take everything ever all at once infinitely (I don't mean the weak definition of infinity either but actually infinity) goku's brain with melt.
@@ActuallyOriginalKinda i like to think Goku would just activate UI to automatically avoid damage even tho he is comatose. But i once read a fan art where gojo used infinite void on goku and goku just becomes hella smarter, of course its a gag and definitely won't happen but its funny.
Remember how you said “people argue Goku was just stronger than hit” when referring to the timeskip fight? That’s exactly what would happen. Goku’s ki is just more powerful so it would ignore the hacks of infinity
@@zetasolos1 Potentially, however that works in Dragon Ball because those abilities are Ki based, and Hax abilities can be countered in DB with a higher Ki because of that. With Infinity it's technically a different energy type, and would be disingenuous to assume Goku could do something similar. But there is the possibility he could. I just chose a more neutral stance in this video, evidence as I kept gassing Gojo up as much as possible.
@@Unremarkable6969 what peapole still don't db characters ignoring ki hax Is baisaclly a battle of souls or existence the highier you are the less the hax works on you Unlike msgic
goku power scaling is weird and unkown like he is so fast he can go an infinite distance but infinite is not infinite anymore, goku just became so incredibly over powered that he could probably one shot like infinite anime universes if you use that concept that he can destroy 10 infinity places of space in his base form, then we got gojo on MASSIVE steroids being like "my power level in universal and have speed of infinite" then goku just one shots base form: also great vid.
20:32 I’m saying this before I’m letting him finish because I don’t know if I’ll be proven wrong or he’ll just agree with me before I get to say it but that’s literally what ultra instinct is. The ability to fight without thinking about it. he put his body on auto pilot therefore if he goes in ultra instinct before it happens or manages to kick into ultra instinct in the domain, it doesn’t affect him.
@@Unremarkable6969 yes and no. In the anime, it doesn’t at all. And in the manga, he just figured out how to do it without a clear mind. He just can’t go MUI in the manga without a clear mind
Gojo's infinity works a little different from how you may think. It's based on a passive and reactive calculation his brain is constantly doing to differentiate between what is and isn't dangerous to him. Things like light and oxygen don't pose a threat to him and he also needs oxygen to breathe. An ordinary rock also poses little threat but give it a trajectory and velocity and his passive and reactive infinity will begin to slow it down forever. Just a side note gojo has 3 different forms of infinity from what we have seen in the anime. There is the infinity he had in the hidden inventory arc where he has to keep concentration to keep it up. This is more or less his active infinity. When he chooses to have infinity up this will be what he uses. The second is after he learns RCT and he essentially programs his brain using mathematics to differentiate what is and isn't dangerous to him. It's basically what i described earlier so I won't explain it again. This is seen as an upgrade to his active infinity however the drawback is that if something that isn't perceived as an attack comes towards him, it will not be slowed down. The third which he only showed once was against Hanami (he shows it once more in the manga against Sukuna although very brief). Instead of infinitely slowing down objects approaching him, he was instead infinitely pushing objects (or in this case Hanami) away from himself and crushing Hanami between his infinite pressure and the solid wall.
Also Goku used Hakai in the manga which is a power to erase anything stated by Whis in the show even ghost can get erased so. That can be a match for hollow purple Like you said.
Ki is not just ki. Genki (元気 lit. "Vigor") Yūki (勇気 lit. "Courage") Shōki (正気 lit. "Right-mindedness") (Dragoball Conzept). There is a 4th form. Jaki, its a form thats relates to "negativ energy". That kind of energy can make you sick or bring "bad Luck". (japanese Conzept) In Dragonball there is a clear conzept of "negativ" Ki, what is based on negativ emotions, what is the same kind how "curse energy" work. Demon Ki = Just Evil ki, can manipulate things. Majin Energy = Its a "Curse", what brings the badest side of a Person, when succesful. Conzept of "Dark Dragonballs": They are full of Cursed Dark ki Energy. (But GT).
Im gonna ask a really stupid question. Infinite Domain or whatever targets the target's coordinates, right? What if, hypothetically, goku used the multi-form technique before it spawned and then instantly deleted the form that got caught in it? I know that's not something that would realistically be thought of (because infinite domain's targeting is very unlike anything in DB, and i also don't actually think goku knows said technique), but like purely from a hypothetical where goku knew what was coming and had taken the ability to learn said technique from Tien? I mean if Cell could learn it i don't see why Goku couldn't, so it's at least plausible right?
18:12 I also wanna say in El Manga Legendario, it's stated that Trunks atomized Mecha Freiza quite literally, and people tank eachothers' ki blasts all the time I've also seen some scans that states OG DB Goku's super kamehameha has similar properties
Hold up guys I just really thought about something if Jogo survived unlimited void didn’t that mean he got stronger because he had so much information and he’s a curve so it didn’t affect them as much
Lets assume that Goku cant travel infinite speeds, imagine Goku throwing a small energy ball at Gojos infinity then using instant transmition to teleport where his ki ball was since he sensed the ki then using a energy blast with his hand that is already next to gojos neck To obliterate gojo. In 0.001 seconds. Since gojo doesnt have any ki he cant withstand the blow either! :D gojo dies in 0.001 seconds.
12:26 i know you are high balling gojo but my hate for jjk fanboys is way too much to not debunk the blackhole Firstly yuki doesnt scale to it since it fucking kills her meaning neither does gojo since he doesn't need to surpass it to be considered stronger than yuki now that specific blackhole was town level(it would only destroy the planet overtime)due to the fact it was nowhere near as potent as actual blackholes that size also the destruction it caused
Granola needs to use various unnamed techniques to move faster than instant transmission and probably only used it for that time and his fight against Gas during the battle of teleporting
In El Manga Legendario, EoZ Goku is stated to be the strongest in the universe, and Akira Toriyama says something similar in an interview for Daizenshuu. Meaning he scales above Arale, who bullies Toriyama regularly and even folded up a page of her manga, creating an infinite loop of universes. Dr. Slump manga goes CRAZY
Also another way to get past limitless is simply summon a afect onto Gojo himself or inside him like auto locking on or inside Gojo from a distance Like freezing him solid from a distance by just sticking your hand out
So cool work around of Gojos infinity is that atoms can't collide anyways, you just feel the force of atoms pushing each other away when touching something meaning with enough speed you could technically still touch him by getting close enough for the atoms to push against each other
With domain expansion, I think goku is so dumb that hed try to comprehend it, but just get mad when he cant and accidentally go ssj, which in turn disintegrates the domain bc angry
So for the Hit feat it is shown that hit is not manipulating time in any way, like the time chamber, time moves differently between the two, allowing for it to seem like hit stopped time to attack. This was shown as hit was killing one of his targets, he brought him into said universe before killing him, then took him back making it seem like to others around him that he died instantly. WHICH means how hit would use this ability is, he would enter into his universe move into a different spot within said space and then move out, making it look instant. The reason goku was able to bypass this was by predicting hit would be in this different dimension for an x amount of time, allowing him to be able to harm hit as he left the dimension.( This also might be able to explain guldos "Time" related abilities due to the statement being vague but im not gonna dwelve on it) Also yes vados stated he moved into said universe by storing time skip, which means jiren breaking out of it would be an impressive feat, but does that mean jiren surpassed time? No he simply bypassed a variation of time, not the concept of time itself. If Hit is essentially erasing time from the opponent's perspective to be able to freely attack without him noticing and moving even by an inch, then WHEN was Goku able to raise his arms to defend himself in the last moment? Because, if Goku predicted it, then it means: He raised his guard BEFORE Hit used the technique, which would be dumb because, what, Hit couldn't notice it and redirect his attack's trajectory? Or, Goku raised his hands after the 1/10th second passed (Time Skip's time frame at that point), which makes no sense since it was consistently shown that Hit hits instantly from enemy's perspective. But if we were to ignore that and actually believe that Goku still had time left to defend himself, on the other hand it would mean Hit, who was waaaay stronger and faster than Goku at that moment btw (yes, even when holding back, since he was easily hurting Blue Vegeta), is slower than the original DB Krillin, lol (remember his fight against Jackie Chun? Chapter 41, episode 24). Making that claim highly contradicting Now for the zeno feat, i think you got existent erasure mixed up with concept erasure, take it like this, if you erase a save file, the slot itself stays, which means he simply erased zamasu( who at the time was in the process of becoming omnipresent) along with the rest of the universes. Which is how he erased the universe opponents in the T.O.P without messing up the concept of space and time around them, you also cant argue zamasu had become the concept of time or anything yet, as it was stated he was still merging with the timeline. So to cut this short, zeno did not erase the concept of time and space, erasing the save file but not the actual save slot. As for the Granolah feat, Besides the fact Vegeta literally states he’s using a technique superior to Instant Transmission. Meaning he’s not using Speed to overcome the technique. But Instant Transmission is strictly a teleportation technique. Which is especially contingent on the reaction speed and combat speed of Goku to move his hand to his forehead and activate it. So if you’re just faster than Goku’s Reaction Speed, you can hit him before he can even use it. Goku and Beerus clashing their fists. Their clashes create bunch of shockwaves. 3 clashes and the shockwaves were going to destroy the universe. That's alright, but the problem is that Goku wasn't going to destroy the universe with his own power. The shockwaves created by their clashes were going to destroy it. Elder Kai STATED that these shockwaves were getting stronger as they were traveling in space. And even at their starter point ( their weakest state ) they managed to push both Beerus and Goku back. In fact, SSJG Goku even screamed when he got hit by one. So it's fair to say that these shockwaves were superior to both of them. Many people bring the statements from the narrator, but the problem is that the narrator statements are just for hype and they are wrong almost all the time. The narrator's statements are not more reliable than character statements. If they get contradicted in the show itself then they are pretty much worthless. So the only actual feat performed by them was when they shook the Mortal Universe on their first clash. However, i doubt that shaking the universe is even close to destroying it. Not only that they weren't going to destroy the universe with their own power, but the feat was also poorly written and very inconsistent and it shouldn't be taken seriously. Remember how the shockwaves were proven to be superior to Goku and Beerus? At the time these shockwaves couldn't even destroy the Earth. In fact, they didn't even hurt people on Earth. Taking this feat seriously would be like saying that Goku and Beerus aren't even planetary. And that's bullshit since even the Saiyan Saga characters were confirmed to be planet busters. Not only that, but the speed of the shockwaves was also inconsistent. The people on Earth could see and react to them, yet they reached the Kaioshin Realm in the frame after? Are they slower than sound or MFTL+?? This feat shouldn't be taken seriously. And their blast clash literally debunks that the universe was going to be destroyed to begin with. We know for a fact that their blasts are stronger than their fists. So logically the blast clash would be stronger than the fist clashes, right? Meaning that the shockwaves created by the blast clash would also be stronger than the ones created by their fist clash. Yet these shockwaves didn't destroy the universe. According to Elder Kai, the shockwaves from their third clash were going to destroy the universe. And we know that the shockwaves were the problem because the reason the universe didn't get destroyed after their third clash according to Elder Kai was because Goku matched the force and the angle of their attacks which prevented the shockwaves from coexisting. If the shockwaves from their third clash were really going to destroy the universe, then why didn't these even stronger shockwaves do it later on? So this pretty much points out that everyone was wrong and the universe wasn't going to be destroyed. I know that people are gonna bring some narrator statements so I'm gonna say it again, these statements are just for hype and they are very often inaccurate. If they get contradicted in the show, then they're completely worthless. Goku still negs tho
I have Many problems with this, I'm going to start with the first one. Hits time skip doesn't work like diavolo skip, it's not even describe the same. now, one of the issue with your statements is that time skip is not a form of time manipulation. Time skip is a form of time manip stated in the future Trunk's saga by jaco of the galactic patrol that does have rules against time manipulation, one of those being stopping time and traveling into the past. Next is the statement Is that jiren doesn't surpass the concept of time, so he doesn't have inaccessible speed. This is a terrible argument, Concepts have nothing to do with inaccessible speed, the only thing that concepts matter in so far as speed is irrelevant speed. If that was your argument, I would agree. Now you point out when does Goku move when hit activates time skip. I think you're having trouble understanding what he was arguing. he was arguing Goku had immeasurable speed for blocking Hits, time skip. Now he doesn't really explain what immeasurable speed is, but the basic gist is when a character through sheer speed alone time travels. Examples be the flash going back in time because he runs too fast. You brought it up as a possibility but just ignore it, so there's that. the next thing is that downplaying the prediction feat. Now, the first thing you brought up is the difference in strength between Goku and Hit. Now Hit is stronger than base Goku, but there is a rule in the tournament to not kill your opponent, so Hit would be holding back more. next is speed, Hit being faster than blue Vegeta in the scene can't actually be proven because hit was using time skip. the next is that even if what you said was true, that wouldn't make him slower than OG DB Krillin because both Goku and Hit is faster than Krillin provable so. Now onto Zeno. Platonic Concepts are not stated or implied to be a thing in Dragon Ball. I have no Idea why you brought it up. I'm assuming it is to counter the statement of Zeno erasing the timeline. Zeno Can do everything he does without bringing up concepts, it could just be a better existence erasure, as hakai doesn't erase everything from existence. If you're going to state he was making an argument for irrelevant speed, he wasn't, it was just inaccessible speed. For Granolah I haven't read that part, so I'm not going to touch it, I'm going to look into it later to see the context. For the universe Destruction feat. Your arguments hinge on the idea that Goku should destroy earth but doesn't it's not just Goku power it's Goku plus Beerus it being a shared feat invalidates it. The first problem is that Goku be for the feat still has enough control over his energy to not destroy the planet beforehand, so why would he destroy the planet during the feat in question. As you point out, that characters in Dragon Ball could already destroy planets and not destroy if they chose not too. Now, you would point out that if Goku doesn't cause this shock wave earlier in the fight. this could be explained by multiple reasons. One Saiyans get stronger as they fight, In Dragon Ball Super it was change to from near-death experience to fighting in general, Look at Broly for that. Two Goku wasn't using all the energy he had and was using more as the fight goes on. The third reason is Beerus is not trying to destroy the planet. Beerus promised Goku he would not destroy the planet if he beats, and Beerus has shown he intends to keep the promise, and as every one knows Goku doesn't have perfect control over his energy. The next part is that it's a shared feat so it doesn't count, the problem is the scale of the feat. So Goku was and Beerus was going to destroy the universe. Now the issue is in Dragon Ball the universe doesn't just mean the living world, it also includes the afterlife and the Kioshin Realm. Heaven is stated in the guide books that is so big compared to the living world, the universe vanishes when you compare them. it's like comparing the earth to the observable universe. We know this because the shockwave Dimension hoped to reach King Kai and The supreme Kai's realm. Giving it more time to eventually destroy the universe. The speed of the shock wave could just be argued that they just felt it hitting them also cinematic timing. and for the blast clash, I don't know which one you're talking about, but every single one is just before the shock waves is just Beerus Obviously not taking the fight seriously and everyone after that is when Goku Fully learns how to control his energy. Even if we don't agree on any of this, we can at least agree that Goku Solos
The beerus vs goku thing actually gets completely explained in the anime The shockwaves are getting to the kayoshin realm, they get more destructive power the more they travel (that is why they arent destroying earth) and Goku learned to control God ki so that is why the shockwaves stopped (The shockwaves were shown to erase a planet in an unknown location too so it was definitely more than planet level) And after the beam clash no shockwaves were created after so that is why the universe didnt get destroyed
@@mystic6121 1. Again vados said hit was storing time skip to use his ability, this would put it under the category as a FORM of time manipulation. But again goku being able to raise his arms before hit used his ability and still blocking it proves my point. Goku did not break through time to block the attack, he predicted hit, this wouldn't make him have immeasurable speed. Him powering up to blue and using kaioken to "break" hits ability wasn't either. He predicted hits movement and was aware of how hits ability worked. Also you saying that platonic concepts like time and space don't exist in dragon ball is simply wrong. The fact that there is night and day, and people actively getting older proves my point, they do exist within the dragon ball universe, along with that fact abilities like hits exist. So like I said, Zeno's used existence erasure to wipe out zamasu, who was fusing with it. He took out the saved data within a save slot and left that same save slot empty. This is proven when he erases the universes during the tournament of power, the concept of space and time around them weren't affected. Zeno uses a version of existence erasure, not conceptual erasure. Goku was not moving in an area where time and space was irrelevant. And I don't know why you tried making an argument for Jiren? He powered through a concept of time, that doesn't make him above the entire concept of time just that version of it, of that was the case the tournament of power would have been much quicker. And back to the hut argument, hit holding back doesn't mean he was entirely pulling his punches. He was still putting power on such into his powers, or he wouldn't have damage ssgss Vegeta. With Beerus and Goku I guess I. Didn't go into depth enough, I admit I was wrong to say it wasn't above planet level. But it is proven that Goku's god ki cancelled out beerus, which is why the shockwaves were weak around them. Which means, this isn't a Goku feat, it was the fact that the shockwave from a punch from Goku AND Beerus proved fatal to the universe. This means that Goku's ki suppressant, couldn't overpower the shockwaves overflowing with the god of destructions ki. This would mainly be a Beerus feat actually, shocker.
@Localwarriorsfan For the first statement, "Again Vados said Hit was storing time skip to use his ability, this would put it under the category as a FORM of time manipulation." we agree on that one. Hit's timeskip is a form of time manip. For the Goku part, no, not really. In the manga, your statement would be true because Hit can't hit people while in timeskip. In the anime, it wouldn't because hit can hit people while in timeskip. Which means that when Goku move it would be while in timeskip which he can only do if he had immeasurable speed. For the Platonic concept statement. Just like any philosophical principle, like panpsychism these things don't have to be true in fiction. to assert it is true when nothing is referred to as such is an assumption that you are making. I will admit that I didn't know what you're arguing about Zeno's erasure. I thought you're arguing conceptual erasure, you were not, so we agree because That is what I was auguring. Now for the second part. I, think your argument for why Goku moving in the erased timeline doesn't grant him inaccessible speed is a terrible argument. For starters, the concept of space being irrelevant has nothing to do with inaccessible speed. The second issue is that Zeno doesn't have to erase time on a conceptual level to make a timeless void. we already know that Zeno can erase time. each universe has their own space time continuum, and he erased those which would include the different realms in those universes. To say that he didn't erase time when we know he can erase would require way more evidence. For Jiren, I still don't know why you keep bringing up the concept of time, There is only one concept of time. The Platonic concept of time includes ALL notions of time, Which would include hit's time prison. Now I obviously know what you mean, Jiren doesn't surpass time in its entirety. The Issue is this is just a statement being asserted, Nobody but Ultra Instinct Goku scales to Jiren, so saying that TOP would have ended faster is not an argument. The argument against inaccessible Jiren Is hit's time prison is a hax and jiren resisted it. For the holding back, Hit comment. For hit to not kill Goku because blue Vegeta is obviously more durable than base Goku. Hit would have to suppress himself more than when he did he fought Vegeta that is the argument I'm making. I don't agree with interpretation of the battle of gods, shockwave is a Beerus feat. We know that bad ki control causes similar events to happen. Goku doesn't have great ki control yet. Then when Goku goes full power and Beerus used more of his power but still not full power. They then caused the shockwave. Goku learns how to better control his power, the shockwave goes away. The argument I'm making is simply that because Goku doesn't have good control over his ki it was most likely him to cause the shockwave. The reason I don't it was Beerus is that in both the anime and manga. Beerus is a more skilled fighter than Goku and wouldn't cause the shockwave, as he has better ki control than Goku does, especially at this moment. This is just a slight disagreement, but yeah that's my issues.
I think Gojo has Ki, or at least a small amount of it-it's just life energy that everyone has. So I believe Goku could sense Gojo. Additionally, I think you could compare cursed energy to Genki-the same energy Goku uses for his Genkidama. Normally, you can't sense or feel it, but when Goku builds up a Genkidama, you can feel it. I'd say it’s probably similar to Hollow Purple; you can't normally sense cursed energy, but when an attack like Hollow Purple is being built up, Goku could probably feel and sense the aura or negativity. Cool Video, keep up the content
Summarizing this entire video: If we highballed Gojo as much as possible while keeping it atleast backed up in some way or another, even by assumptions, he could probably manage to survive long enough to cry, and then die
Now before I start, I'd like to make it clear I love both anime and Im not downplaying, or upscaling either with this. So first off just going by science alone infinity can be speed blitzed, because theres not a true infinite amount of halfway points, things can only get so small before it cant be divided again. 2nd with infinite void there are 2 things Goku has that you didnt mention, A) ki involves having immense mental fortitude, so Goku can comprehend way more info than a normal person, maybe not enough to just ignore infinite void though. And B) UI moves without thought, so his mind being overloaded wouldnt stop him if he was using UI, and even if it didnt stop his body from moving we see twice in the manga that UI will make a susano looking ki construct if the body is unable to move. Thank you for listening to my ted talk
21:48 well in ultra instinct goku doesn't think and his body thinks on it's own so he might him self not see or feel what is happening in his mind , his body will move ,fight and dodge freely
@mido_mayadoo In the manga, UI requires a clear mind to use, which would be hard to maintain if your mind is being injected with months to years worth of information, stretched out to infinity.
Lemme correct a few things… 1.) What whis said would still hold true as he gave an explanation for it, what goku was doing is called hax negation. The effectiveness of hax I.e time skip reduces for example if hit was to skip time for 0.1 sec it would increase to 1sec and so on giving goku time to counter him… what king Kai said would be hyperbolic 2.)pikkon and goku didn’t Enter heaven 3.) granola was using a technique not his raw speed 4.) a timeless void doesn’t grant you any speed feat, the world of void was timeless and dypso still moved at his normal FTL speed 5.) jiren transcending time is hyperbolic as he didn’t even use his speed but his strength or power level again which is hax negation
@@Rookie77_1 why is it hyperbolic? It wouldnt make a lot of sense for it to be hyperbolic since if i am not wrong his opponent was hit, who controls time 2 The world or void is timeless but grand priest added gravity there, therefore there was also time
Plus Goku can just destroy the planet go to Namek use the Namek dragon balls and wish everybody back and the planet back except for Gojo. Gojo is so cooked either way it’s not a challenge.
@@olusegunbelcon Saitama only wins if you think he is a one shot gag character, which serious fights like his battle against Cosmic Fear Garou prove is not the case. A gag character like Arale or even Kid Goku doesn't have serious moments like that.
You don't even need infinite speed to bypass infinity. You'd only need to be FTL as a baseline because, get this, anything that moves faster than light WARPS space-time by default. That's the theory of general relativity and is how the sci-fi concept of a "warp" drive came to be. If something is moving at faster than light speeds, it is also inherently warping space-time. As Sukuna showed, if you can warp the space directly then you can ignore infinity. Anyone who's FTL can do that, no infinite speed required.
i do love jjk but i don't love it because "gojo beats anyone" i love it for its characters progression AND THAT FIGHT CHOREOGRAPHY HOLY CHOSO VS YUJI SO GOOD
I don't know what's stopping Goku from putting up a barrier like he did against U9 or Vegito did inside of Buu the instant he detects something off (standard battle aura aside) especially with his telepathy, but if he did it'd be a good moment for gojo to drop some exposition on how it works otherwise... lol
Can Goku just use ultra instinct to avoid limitless void think about it I know he can’t dodge it but since in ultra instinct his mind is calm can he just ignore the information think about it if he is only focusing on the fight he can’t focus on anything else so if he’s focusing on the fight he can’t focus on the info or am I wrong can he still receive information even in ultra instinct W vid.
Guys in the buu saga when he was at Ssj and ssj2 during when he was fighting some galactic monster bobbity said he had 3000 Jules of smt energy and 300 can destroy on planet and this was the ssj1 not 2 with ssj2 is 4x ssj1 which mean that Goku was at 12000 Jules of energy at ssj2 and ssj3 is 20x more than ssj2 which mean that Goku was 240000 Jules of energy which is a lot in the buu saga and keep in mind we don’t know the power of super Saiyan god but let’s say it’s around 50x of ssj3 since a finger flick from beerus was almost about to kill Goku when he was in ssj3 but super saying god was about to atleast barely keep up with beerus so therefore he would have around 12 million Jules and super saiyan blue super saiyan is 50x more than super saiyan god and I’m not doing the math but it’s a lot and mastered ultra instinct would be atleast 60x stronger than blue super saiyan god along with his ability to dodge every punch (not every but almost every) which is still insane so Gojo is getting cooked by krillen so ain’t no way Gojo gonna win if Gojo could destroy a billion planets at once then congrats he might win but that ain’t happening lol and also Goku broke through hits pocket dimension and super saiyan blue so ultra instinct Goku would easily break the domain expansion infinite void so like cause this took me a while to write and yes I’m a Goku fan
Goku can sense every living things that has energy bro, if you dont know, there's one episode in db super when goku is trying to sense hit's ki when hit was on earth and was trying to assasinate goku, so there's one moment that goku was eating rice with his eyes closed, and before the mail man knock the door, goku sensed it and immediately charged at the door assuming it was hit, and before that happens, he even sensed the cockroach while eating with his eyes closed, proving that goku can sense anything with ki (life energy)
In conclusion yes Goku absolutely murders gojo based off his withstanding abilities and the fact that all of his attacks scale obnoxiously higher then Gojos ever have
I thought the whole premise of Ultra Instinct is not thinking.....Whis confirms that when one goes into the Ultra Instinct state, the body is detached from the brain( as in every body part moves individually from each other using reflex), this is why Goku had a hard time using the form since he is essentially a zombie when he uses it...he doesn't even know most of the things his body is doing in this form since it moves on reflex....no information is being sent to any part of his body to do anything, he just moves.....meaning Infinite Void is essentially useless in this situation, flooding a brain that has essentially shut down is like uploading data to a flash drive that doesn't work
@@xenaparker-579 In the manga, UI requires a calm mind to maintain. Your brain being flooded with an immense amount of information that's being stretched to appear infinite.
20:22 that's breaking in a domain, witch usually isn't useful. Breaking out can only be done by creating a hole in the domain with another domain (like Megumi), killing the caster or overpowering the domain.
Apologies! In the video, I refer to Gege Akutami, author of JJK, as a he, but from what I can tell, they go by they/them, my apologies. I was being stupid 😓
I don’t think any really noticed or cared so your good I thinks he’s a dude
Well, one time, he referred to himself using masculine Kanji but changed it because of all the fanletters he got after Gojo Died by Sukuna,
Gege most likely did this to keep his identity a secret
How the fuck is they/them that stupide ethier he or she
And also he is married
liberal
You're a better person than me
Gojo ain't getting past Yamcha.
@@bottomtext593 yes
He probably ain't getting past Chiaotzu considering he had the ability to restrain Goku for a few seconds, and if you've watched Z, Goku and Vegeta at that point have handled gravity which are hundreds of times greater than ones on earth
@@Deaddokand the little guy has telekinesis
The dude can’t even tap saibamen
Bro gets 1 tapped by uub
"The Strongest Sorcerer of today vs The Strongest Under the Heavens."
COOK! 🔥🔥🔥
I Am The Warrior You've Heard Of In Legends
@@Trizon_ I am pure of heart and awakened by fury!
@@Oyflim_The_GreatTHATS WHAT I AM
@@Trizon_
I am the super Saiyan...SON GOKU!!!!!
"Nuclear missle vs coughing baby" ahh argument
@@stain5570 "Supernova VS Ant" ahh argument
@@Unremarkable6969”gamma ray burst vs spec of dirt” aah argument
“Singularity of a black hole VS A micro instant of a cell (not that type of cell)” ahh matchup
"Supermassive black hole vs unborn fetus" ahh argument
@Unremarkable6969 The Infinite box vs. a sperm ahh argument
The fact that this even is a debate is crazy
ikr, My GOAT gojo solos with ease
@creeperfun12 Funny joke😂
@creeperfun12 I can’t tell if ur serious or if ur joking
@@Hyper_edits56 maintaining the agenda is our top priority
Tf bro did you even watch the video?@creeperfun12
"The most glazed of today VS The most glazed in history"
Couldnt have said it better my friend :)
The difference is ONE has REAL feats and been proven by ALOT guidebooks while the *cough* *cough* gojo *cough* doesn't
Let gojo have some rest, his fanboys are the only ones who scale him that high
I met one who said "Gojo is the strongest in anime (prove to me how goku can bypass infinity if you disagree)" and then me and other guy started explaining it to him and he kept saying "no, but you can't bypass infinity" and "but Gojo's infinity cant be bypassed"
I am currently waiting for a response from him actually
Frr just pure glazing I for one have seen different glazing of Goku and it never ends😂😂every time I think I have seen it all I see another video where Goku is being wanked to have infinite everything 😂😂 don't even know WTF that means but man got hit by a laser and almost died...so much for infinite shit since infinity is something quantifiable in Goku and to Goku fans😂as for Gojo idgaf if he wins or not Goku ain't getting past infinity as far as I'm concerned.
@WizeJK HIT HIM WITH THE: Goku waits till gojo pops domain and then ultra instinct auto kills gojo
@WizeJK Also Goku broke time in super so he umm yea
My argument for Goku surviving Infinite Void is that,
Goku can perceive infinite information because (as you said) he can move faster than infinite speed, and he can think and understand everything when he's moving at that speed. So since he moves, sees, and thinks at immeasurable (arguably irrelevent speed) speed, infinite void should be no problem
Also ultra instinct
Also because of dragon balls power systems: Ki
That makes me think that culd Goku select específic info for himself?
My argument is goku doesn't even need to think to fight because "autonomous divine ultra instinct" he doesn't think when he is in that form his body move by instinct at maximum speed so even if his mind is overloaded his body should be able to move and speed blitz gojo even through unlimited void
@@VVamunosthere are so many way you can interpret goku mind resistances like his training under popo, korins water, and vegeta just sheer willpower overcoming babdi magic
I love jjk. But I feel like people wank the series just for the hell of it. Like mountain level and island level is shaky to me. Planet level is just beyond me personally. And you don’t know how many times I’ve heard that Gojo is universal because he can make the impossible possible.
Gojo stans when he can't solo everyone (He's not even planet level)
but divine scaled gojo to planetary tho
@BarcaCatalonia-v1e I'm not divine 🗿
@ that’s mostly because of two things.
1. The sukuna planet statement on the back of every volume
2. Yuki’s blackhole
The first one doesn’t work because this statement can be interpreted in many ways. The more logical one is that he’s referring to society as we know it because why would someone who eats sukuna’s fingers be planet level? That’d be very inconsistent.
The second point doesn’t work because this acquires you to assume that Gojo or sukuna scale to yuki’s blackhole. This isn’t supported anywhere. At best you can say Gojo is the strongest so he has to scale over Yuki. But you can be stronger than someone and not scale to their strongest attack. I can be stronger than someone who has a gun. Yes the gun can one shot me but that doesn’t mean I can’t just knock out the person with a gun or take the gun before they even get the chance to use it. Also it’s very inconsistent and you’d need support how this feat is consistent with any other showings
@@jkunimage4187I agree with planetary gojo and sukuna but that’s it no one else isn’t jjk and it doesn’t even matter if they planetary 😂😂
Goku was shown avoiding attacks from opponents who are trillions of times faster than light (we can say that they are infinite) and Vegeta was even shown thinking in the middle of avoiding Jiren's punches.
Which means that the speed of comprehension of Dragon Ball characters is very fast, which means that the rate of input of information for the unlimited Void will seem very slow from Goku's perspective. Rather, he can absorb all the information infinitely at once and be completely unaffected and move and fight normally.
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We know that a normal human can survive for 0.2 seconds, so even if we say Goku's brain is like a normal human brain, Goku has the Ultra Instinct that he can activate even when he is unconscious. In the Grunula Arc, we saw Goku completely unconscious, but he automatically performed the Ultra Instinct with Susanoo.
Add to that that Goku is much faster than light, which makes 0.2 seconds enough to eliminate Gojo or escape from the unlimited Void and erase Gojo from the outside
Ye bro people can just not accept that goku solos
We don’t even have to think about breaking space time for Limitless. Limitless is an applied technique, however subconsciously. In the Hidden Inventory arc, Gojo explains that he maintains an Infinity barrier that filters out threats based on subconscious processing. So he has to perceive something as a threat (even at a subconscious level) for Infinity to even activate. So Limitless is still a technique that requires his very special but still human brain to function. The problem in that universe is that no one can move faster than Gojo’s perception. Goku, however, could EASILY move faster than Gojo’s perception, which has been measured in the manga at his fastest to be in the realm of tenths of a second reaction time
THIS, people forget that Infinity can only subconsciously activate if Gojo can perceive the thing attacking him.
This is the same reason why Gojo was caught off guard by when Sukuna went to punch him with domain amplification after he shot a dismantle at the building. If Gojo had perceived Sukuna's punch, the punch would not have gotten so close to his hand.
Gojo still loses
@@XFRidkyeah, that's what...the comment is saying
100%
Highly doubt Gojo nor his subconscious nor his technique can process anything at ‘Infinite Speed’ and likely has a limit on how quick it can do it as you’ve said.
Its crazy how much you had to stretch Gojo's power just to give him some sort of fighting chance. And yet, he still gets absolutely bodied
Super Buus most emotional reaction: Screams at the top of his lungs.
Still not dbz abridged Vegeta level
I thought it gonna be like 100M Gojo vs one arm only with just head and no legs Goku😭😭😭
No, but that would still be an absolute wash
If we assume cursed energy and ki are similar enough types of energy. Gojo probably just gets folded. Goku is so far beyond him in strength that you could argue he'd simply just break the infinity ability using raw power and speed. The way he breaks Hit's timeskip which is a KI based technique that lets Hit skip forward in time.
And then there's also the fact that he can just scream out of it if super buu and gotenks can do it so can goku(super)
If you do equalize energy types, and you think Ki can no diff Hax if you're stronger than the opponent, Gojo is an Android 16 victim. Maybe Buuhan if you mega wank him.
@@Unremarkable6969 better fight for Gojo.
Po from Kung fu Panda boi!
@aninditaroy3143 no feats 🗿
@@Unremarkable6969 got one even better bluds a Recoome victim (Erasure gun was stated to not only vaporize objects but wrap space-time around them momentarily). Ppl don't even realize he would struggle to exist in early dragon ball and instantly gets no diffed in the namek saga.
Bro it's over, pack it up. someone's already powerscaled Chiaotzu higher than gojo. goku breathes on gojo and gojo is atomized.
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@@Unremarkable6969 Yeah Lonk.
Facts
“God himself VS human” ah argument or “Goku vs Gojo” ah argument
Meteorite that is as big ass the big bang vs pre baby baby
@@JohnNalletambywhat’s a pre baby baby?
@@Kevin-animshe probably meant pre born baby
"If you and gojo were too fight what would happen?"
"He's weak even when he's full power"
"But would you lose?"
"Nah id win" - Goatku
Great video, I got into a debate (argument) with some friends on discord and they just didn’t believe me that Goku stomps. Going to share this video!
@@Leonslowpoke highly appreciated
Your friends have never seen dragon ball
@@Mackera11 Worse, they really glazed JJk like crazy
Gojo: "Limitless, domain expansion, hollow purp-!"
Goku: no
First of all, Gojo can't use all three of those at once he would need to be able to somehow trap Goku in the barrier of the Domain, which Goku can easily dodge and Hollow Purple takes time to use especially if we count the 200% Purple from the Manga he would need to announce his attacks and also do the chant just pointing that out for you.
Kid goku enogh 😢
@yusufefe8466 bro, I'm not even glazing Gojo, and first off all, explain how Kid Goku Solos?
@@trevorcash2388 I believe these Goku fans do anything but Goku in start of dragon ball super is enough
1st :- bro is gonna take gojo to space how gojo is gonna breathe
2nd :- gojos energy level is pathetic he was so exhausted after killing 1k spirits in Shibuya Goku will just douge until he runs out of energy and then who is gonna save gojo 15:01
3rd :- in video he already told that Goku can go past gojos infinity
4th :- even if gojo hits Goku or take him in infinite void it will be easy for Goku to come out with just some hits or if he go in UI then untouched
5th :- we are talking about Goku if kakarot does it he will end it just like sakuna one punch😂
@peerless_guy As I said, Gojo is good ngl, but he hard stops at Buu Saga. I know Super Goku would wipe the floor with Gojo, but that wasn't even part of related to what I said. Also, Sukuna didn't end it in one punch he had to use Mahoraga to adapt to Gojo's infinity then use a Binding Vow to not use his Domain Handsign for the Wold Slash since if Gojo saw it he would've just dodged the slash the second he did the Domain Handsign
Goku can activate UI in basically any form at this point to an extent, therefore even if domain expansion spawned on him, it wouldn’t stop Goku from fighting and destroying Gojo. He would be able to get through Gojos infinity with a punch as a much weaker version of the character was able to almost destroy Universe 7 which is a macrocosm comprised of multiple universal sized (and beyond universe sized) infinities stacked onto each other, he’d just be able to break through Gojos Infinity given how it works based on manipulation of time space. And Goku being able to fight characters like Jiren who transcends time, its a huge mismatch and Gojo doesn’t stand a chance
1:12 here is the thing ki is life energy(its alot more complex than that)meaning goku can sense anyone that qualifies as living or once living for dead people
My main question is if that would equate to Gojo having Ki, similar to how in Naruto characters have a chakra network that other verses don't.
@@Unremarkable6969it would kind off(going by a guide statement and anime statement any thing including atoms photons abstract concepts and literally anything has ki)since gojo doesn't really have all the things needed using ki but ki is still life energy meaning goku can sense him even without verse equalization
@ahmedriyad4264 hmmmmmm maybe
@@Unremarkable6969 Here's a metaphor:
All Bread, minus some bread (dead/artificial like Androids/different in Ki composition like God Ki. Think of these as radio waves in different wavelengths) used water to bake bread.
Which means Nearly all types of bread have water as an ingredient. Even if some have fillings like Croissant (JJK Curse Energy) as long as it is bread, the baker still used water to bake it.
@@Unremarkable6969 Chakra comes from the fact that Naruto characters have alien DNA and a whole other system in their body similar to the nervous system but with their chakra instead. Because of this it can be argued that someone like Naruto wouldn’t be able to sense the energy of a character from a different verse (well you still could argue that he can due to perfecting sage mode and nature energy, being able to sense things and animals that don’t have chakra, but most characters don’t have that ability).
With Goku or any of the other Z fighters, they would be able to sense someone’s life force as long as they aren’t an Android or machine. This applies to JJK characters. They are almost all organic creatures with a life force and even a soul
The minute gojo uses infinity he makes goku learn every thing about his verse and UI will automatically activate and his body will start use these new abilities like crazy.
@@KingOC-z77uy Gojo when Goku learns and comprehends everything in the universe (He can now create his own domain, use reversed cursed technique, and more.)
@@Unremarkable6969 Ok, I agree with some of what you're seeing. Been a DBZ fan since it came out on Toonami where I got VHS tapes to watch Japanese episode back in the day. I Watched everything of the series, everything! Read the Manga too.
Several issues here.
To say Goku would survive things that can disintegrate anything is a bit ridiculous. DBZ is so inconsistent with it's logic/scaling it's crazy. You didn't point out the flaws in your scaling. You didn't point out the inconsistency's within the DBZ universe, only how powerful they are without the holes in the universe.
Goku got shot by friezas minion from behind with a blaster gun and was dying (Goku base form is still crazy strong), Goke has ultra reaction speed he could of dodged it irrelevant of being taken by surpris. Read flash comics, he was hit by a bullet, but felt it on his skin before it penetrated and fazed out of it, Goku could of dodged it.
Vegeta during the Hit Tournament in the manga had a hard time lifting the robot that didn't weigh that much.
To say DBZ universe is infinite and they are traveling at such speed, but every other issue a new characters is moving fast than that? lol When the pig, Bulma and so forth at times can tell whats happening during certain fights in the series.
To say Goku was in an empty void of the universe and existed there what he was brought there by a DRwho Tardis , by the way trunks was there and his jeans to. Strong jeans.
Goku would easily beat GOJO, but I don't think he(goku) would survive being hit by Infinite void. Goku can't even freaking do basic math and to take everything ever all at once infinitely (I don't mean the weak definition of infinity either but actually infinity) goku's brain with melt.
@@ActuallyOriginalKinda i like to think Goku would just activate UI to automatically avoid damage even tho he is comatose. But i once read a fan art where gojo used infinite void on goku and goku just becomes hella smarter, of course its a gag and definitely won't happen but its funny.
Ya it has been stated that he can function without a brain due to ultra instinct @TrueRedhat
Remember how you said “people argue Goku was just stronger than hit” when referring to the timeskip fight? That’s exactly what would happen. Goku’s ki is just more powerful so it would ignore the hacks of infinity
@@zetasolos1 Potentially, however that works in Dragon Ball because those abilities are Ki based, and Hax abilities can be countered in DB with a higher Ki because of that. With Infinity it's technically a different energy type, and would be disingenuous to assume Goku could do something similar. But there is the possibility he could. I just chose a more neutral stance in this video, evidence as I kept gassing Gojo up as much as possible.
@@Unremarkable6969 what peapole still don't db characters ignoring ki hax
Is baisaclly a battle of souls or existence the highier you are the less the hax works on you
Unlike msgic
@@Unremarkable6969why do you think hits timeskip is ki based?
@@ssjdrink because it is?
@@Unremarkable6969 how do we know this? Is it because Hit powers up? I mean why wouldn’t he be able to power up?
goku power scaling is weird and unkown like he is so fast he can go an infinite distance but infinite is not infinite anymore, goku just became so incredibly over powered that he could probably one shot like infinite anime universes if you use that concept that he can destroy 10 infinity places of space in his base form, then we got gojo on MASSIVE steroids being like "my power level in universal and have speed of infinite" then goku just one shots base form: also great vid.
Not the video I was expecting, I don't watch JJK but Ima watch cuz ur funni
Don't it's so cringe the characters all look like wimps
20:32 I’m saying this before I’m letting him finish because I don’t know if I’ll be proven wrong or he’ll just agree with me before I get to say it but that’s literally what ultra instinct is. The ability to fight without thinking about it. he put his body on auto pilot therefore if he goes in ultra instinct before it happens or manages to kick into ultra instinct in the domain, it doesn’t affect him.
@@AJfire0203 Doesn't UI require a clear mind to use?
*The answer is yes
@@Unremarkable6969 yes and no. In the anime, it doesn’t at all. And in the manga, he just figured out how to do it without a clear mind.
He just can’t go MUI in the manga without a clear mind
The best man in childhood vs a blindfolded man glazed by women.
"I'm running this shit to the ground" 😂😂😂😂😂
I love watching videos like this I already know who wins just nice to see the arguments people come up with
Worst case, Goku has the Mafuba and is infinitely faster. Goku probably just overpowers or speeds past the limitless and one shots.
Didn't even bring up the Mafuba, but 100%. If prison realm can trap Gojo, so can the Mafuba.
To be fair though, Goku doesn't normally carry the materials for the Mafuba on him, so I don't know if I'd give him that as a win condition normally.
@ he could hold it in place without the seal, until he outlasts Gojo
True
@hellotoday7435 He could probably do that with God Bind
Hydrogen Bomb vs Super Nova ahh argument💀
The fact that you’re able to see gojo while he uses infinity means that light is fast enough to get through it
Never thought of it like that 🤔
Gojo's infinity works a little different from how you may think. It's based on a passive and reactive calculation his brain is constantly doing to differentiate between what is and isn't dangerous to him. Things like light and oxygen don't pose a threat to him and he also needs oxygen to breathe. An ordinary rock also poses little threat but give it a trajectory and velocity and his passive and reactive infinity will begin to slow it down forever.
Just a side note gojo has 3 different forms of infinity from what we have seen in the anime. There is the infinity he had in the hidden inventory arc where he has to keep concentration to keep it up. This is more or less his active infinity. When he chooses to have infinity up this will be what he uses.
The second is after he learns RCT and he essentially programs his brain using mathematics to differentiate what is and isn't dangerous to him. It's basically what i described earlier so I won't explain it again. This is seen as an upgrade to his active infinity however the drawback is that if something that isn't perceived as an attack comes towards him, it will not be slowed down.
The third which he only showed once was against Hanami (he shows it once more in the manga against Sukuna although very brief). Instead of infinitely slowing down objects approaching him, he was instead infinitely pushing objects (or in this case Hanami) away from himself and crushing Hanami between his infinite pressure and the solid wall.
It moreso means he doesn't perceive light as a threat consciously or subconsciously so it isn't stopped
Because infinity has a filter
Light isnt considered a threat and only threats get affected by infinity
4:35 got an ad right here, the cut off was wild
19:19 not to mention Goku resisted hakai in BASE FORM
Ur videos are really fun!
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YOU THOUGHT IT WAS A GUY MAKING A JOKE BUT IT WAS ME
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Technically battle of the gods and resurrection f are Z movies but i dunno. W channel btw keep posting 🙏💪🏻🔥
in dbs the first arc is just a lengthened battle of gods
@Hellboy442 gonna explain to me the difference between rasen shuriken and hollow purple please
big bang vs atom ahh argument
The “please send this to ur anime friends so I can make more money” was kinda crazy
I like money, I'm not going to hide this
Great video! 🦅👍🏻
Highly appreciated 👍
@@Unremarkable6969you can't tell the guy's name isn't skibidi 🗿
Also Goku used Hakai in the manga which is a power to erase anything stated by Whis in the show even ghost can get erased so. That can be a match for hollow purple Like you said.
My guy is Goku. He don’t need all that dating information is gonna be anything is talking about his IQ.
21:49 even if he can overwhelm Goku, ultra instinct is moving without thought, the body reacts before the mind
This feels like pitting a level 50 Natu against a level 100 Giratina or just a dog against an elephant
The man was already split in half let him rest
Now I know Dragon Ball is more complex than I thought since I watched this anime when I was younger
Ki is not just ki.
Genki (元気 lit. "Vigor")
Yūki (勇気 lit. "Courage")
Shōki (正気 lit. "Right-mindedness")
(Dragoball Conzept).
There is a 4th form. Jaki, its a form thats relates to "negativ energy". That kind of energy can make you sick or bring "bad Luck". (japanese Conzept)
In Dragonball there is a clear conzept of "negativ" Ki, what is based on negativ emotions, what is the same kind how "curse energy" work.
Demon Ki = Just Evil ki, can manipulate things.
Majin Energy = Its a "Curse", what brings the badest side of a Person, when succesful.
Conzept of "Dark Dragonballs": They are full of Cursed Dark ki Energy. (But GT).
shut up
Im gonna ask a really stupid question. Infinite Domain or whatever targets the target's coordinates, right? What if, hypothetically, goku used the multi-form technique before it spawned and then instantly deleted the form that got caught in it? I know that's not something that would realistically be thought of (because infinite domain's targeting is very unlike anything in DB, and i also don't actually think goku knows said technique), but like purely from a hypothetical where goku knew what was coming and had taken the ability to learn said technique from Tien? I mean if Cell could learn it i don't see why Goku couldn't, so it's at least plausible right?
Bro if Goku’s opps surpassed time itself and he surpassed them, then yeah Gojo is cooked from the jump.
18:12 I also wanna say in El Manga Legendario, it's stated that Trunks atomized Mecha Freiza quite literally, and people tank eachothers' ki blasts all the time
I've also seen some scans that states OG DB Goku's super kamehameha has similar properties
I phone vs missile ahh argument
Hold up guys I just really thought about something if Jogo survived unlimited void didn’t that mean he got stronger because he had so much information and he’s a curve so it didn’t affect them as much
Lets assume that Goku cant travel infinite speeds, imagine Goku throwing a small energy ball at Gojos infinity then using instant transmition to teleport where his ki ball was since he sensed the ki then using a energy blast with his hand that is already next to gojos neck To obliterate gojo. In 0.001 seconds. Since gojo doesnt have any ki he cant withstand the blow either! :D gojo dies in 0.001 seconds.
finally a proper immeasurable speed explanation for goku
Ima save this video for any time someone says Gojo can solo Goku
Gojo solos goku
Edit: ok leave me alone guys
@@xilentjay4298 I’m not even gonna try this is ragebait
@@Bluberries2 Bro, Gojo infinity doesn’t allow goku to touch him. Goku glazers man
@@Bluberries2 watch the end of video bro
@@xilentjay4298 ragebait
Can gojo just dogde infinite void because isn't the purpose of ultra instinct is to dodge any all information or am i wrong
12:26 i know you are high balling gojo but my hate for jjk fanboys is way too much to not debunk the blackhole
Firstly yuki doesnt scale to it since it fucking kills her meaning neither does gojo since he doesn't need to surpass it to be considered stronger than yuki now that specific blackhole was town level(it would only destroy the planet overtime)due to the fact it was nowhere near as potent as actual blackholes that size also the destruction it caused
@@ahmedriyad4264 The energy required to create a blackhole would probably be more than town level? I would assume anyway.
@@Unremarkable6969 that would be the case if yuki's blackhole was equal to real blackholes which isn't the case
Yeah, its like calling Obito pre Juubi a planet buster level just because he can summon black Hole on a whim
WAIT WAIT WAIT! THIS MEANS GOJO MIGHT LOSE TO A BLACK HOLE!?
@@Veryunderratedyter yes
Bro was teaching a subnetting assignment that’s funny
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Wait you’re me ?
@ im not you, you’re me
Love your videos dude, keep up the good work, 💪🏾🔥
Sailor Moon will be able to solo both.
@@SailorStarHero so facts
That gonna need a comp Goku to even have a chance lol
sailor moon is not touching goku lmao hes high outer
Duh
@@ezzitina Sailor Moon bodies
Granola needs to use various unnamed techniques to move faster than instant transmission and probably only used it for that time and his fight against Gas during the battle of teleporting
-Yuji read "dragon ball" in JJK
-that mean that Goku Is a fictional character even inside JJK
-Gojo use his fin Attack: ripping off the manga Page! 🗿
@@AsuraKish8n665 EoZ Goku scales above Arale who did the same thing so 👀
@@Unremarkable6969 ???
In El Manga Legendario, EoZ Goku is stated to be the strongest in the universe, and Akira Toriyama says something similar in an interview for Daizenshuu. Meaning he scales above Arale, who bullies Toriyama regularly and even folded up a page of her manga, creating an infinite loop of universes.
Dr. Slump manga goes CRAZY
@@Unremarkable6969 you where really taking seriously what i said? And you where stil trying to scale It?
Classic of Goku's glazer
@@AsuraKish8n665 I'm not good at picking up on that stuff :3
Gojo eyes is like one of those things that can see your in sides in the weird colours I can't remember
*Gojo relies too much curse energy that he didn’t train.*
Also another way to get past limitless is simply summon a afect onto Gojo himself or inside him like auto locking on or inside Gojo from a distance
Like freezing him solid from a distance by just sticking your hand out
@@spinoirrex2433 "dirty fireworks"
So cool work around of Gojos infinity is that atoms can't collide anyways, you just feel the force of atoms pushing each other away when touching something meaning with enough speed you could technically still touch him by getting close enough for the atoms to push against each other
Ending of how to get past infinity in one second: Instant transmission/teleportation
With domain expansion, I think goku is so dumb that hed try to comprehend it, but just get mad when he cant and accidentally go ssj, which in turn disintegrates the domain bc angry
So for the Hit feat it is shown that hit is not manipulating time in any way, like the time chamber, time moves differently between the two, allowing for it to seem like hit stopped time to attack. This was shown as hit was killing one of his targets, he brought him into said universe before killing him, then took him back making it seem like to others around him that he died instantly. WHICH means how hit would use this ability is, he would enter into his universe move into a different spot within said space and then move out, making it look instant. The reason goku was able to bypass this was by predicting hit would be in this different dimension for an x amount of time, allowing him to be able to harm hit as he left the dimension.( This also might be able to explain guldos "Time" related abilities due to the statement being vague but im not gonna dwelve on it) Also yes vados stated he moved into said universe by storing time skip, which means jiren breaking out of it would be an impressive feat, but does that mean jiren surpassed time? No he simply bypassed a variation of time, not the concept of time itself. If Hit is essentially erasing time from the opponent's perspective to be able to freely attack without him noticing and moving even by an inch, then WHEN was Goku able to raise his arms to defend himself in the last moment? Because, if Goku predicted it, then it means:
He raised his guard BEFORE Hit used the technique, which would be dumb because, what, Hit couldn't notice it and redirect his attack's trajectory?
Or, Goku raised his hands after the 1/10th second passed (Time Skip's time frame at that point), which makes no sense since it was consistently shown that Hit hits instantly from enemy's perspective. But if we were to ignore that and actually believe that Goku still had time left to defend himself, on the other hand it would mean Hit, who was waaaay stronger and faster than Goku at that moment btw (yes, even when holding back, since he was easily hurting Blue Vegeta), is slower than the original DB Krillin, lol (remember his fight against Jackie Chun? Chapter 41, episode 24). Making that claim highly contradicting
Now for the zeno feat, i think you got existent erasure mixed up with concept erasure, take it like this, if you erase a save file, the slot itself stays, which means he simply erased zamasu( who at the time was in the process of becoming omnipresent) along with the rest of the universes. Which is how he erased the universe opponents in the T.O.P without messing up the concept of space and time around them, you also cant argue zamasu had become the concept of time or anything yet, as it was stated he was still merging with the timeline. So to cut this short, zeno did not erase the concept of time and space, erasing the save file but not the actual save slot.
As for the Granolah feat, Besides the fact Vegeta literally states he’s using a technique superior to Instant Transmission. Meaning he’s not using Speed to overcome the technique. But Instant Transmission is strictly a teleportation technique. Which is especially contingent on the reaction speed and combat speed of Goku to move his hand to his forehead and activate it. So if you’re just faster than Goku’s Reaction Speed, you can hit him before he can even use it.
Goku and Beerus clashing their fists. Their clashes create bunch of shockwaves. 3 clashes and the shockwaves were going to destroy the universe. That's alright, but the problem is that Goku wasn't going to destroy the universe with his own power. The shockwaves created by their clashes were going to destroy it. Elder Kai STATED that these shockwaves were getting stronger as they were traveling in space. And even at their starter point ( their weakest state ) they managed to push both Beerus and Goku back. In fact, SSJG Goku even screamed when he got hit by one. So it's fair to say that these shockwaves were superior to both of them. Many people bring the statements from the narrator, but the problem is that the narrator statements are just for hype and they are wrong almost all the time. The narrator's statements are not more reliable than character statements. If they get contradicted in the show itself then they are pretty much worthless. So the only actual feat performed by them was when they shook the Mortal Universe on their first clash. However, i doubt that shaking the universe is even close to destroying it.
Not only that they weren't going to destroy the universe with their own power, but the feat was also poorly written and very inconsistent and it shouldn't be taken seriously. Remember how the shockwaves were proven to be superior to Goku and Beerus? At the time these shockwaves couldn't even destroy the Earth. In fact, they didn't even hurt people on Earth. Taking this feat seriously would be like saying that Goku and Beerus aren't even planetary. And that's bullshit since even the Saiyan Saga characters were confirmed to be planet busters. Not only that, but the speed of the shockwaves was also inconsistent. The people on Earth could see and react to them, yet they reached the Kaioshin Realm in the frame after? Are they slower than sound or MFTL+?? This feat shouldn't be taken seriously.
And their blast clash literally debunks that the universe was going to be destroyed to begin with. We know for a fact that their blasts are stronger than their fists. So logically the blast clash would be stronger than the fist clashes, right? Meaning that the shockwaves created by the blast clash would also be stronger than the ones created by their fist clash. Yet these shockwaves didn't destroy the universe. According to Elder Kai, the shockwaves from their third clash were going to destroy the universe. And we know that the shockwaves were the problem because the reason the universe didn't get destroyed after their third clash according to Elder Kai was because Goku matched the force and the angle of their attacks which prevented the shockwaves from coexisting. If the shockwaves from their third clash were really going to destroy the universe, then why didn't these even stronger shockwaves do it later on? So this pretty much points out that everyone was wrong and the universe wasn't going to be destroyed. I know that people are gonna bring some narrator statements so I'm gonna say it again, these statements are just for hype and they are very often inaccurate. If they get contradicted in the show, then they're completely worthless.
Goku still negs tho
I have Many problems with this, I'm going to start with the first one. Hits time skip doesn't work like diavolo skip, it's not even describe the same. now, one of the issue with your statements is that time skip is not a form of time manipulation. Time skip is a form of time manip stated in the future Trunk's saga by jaco of the galactic patrol that does have rules against time manipulation, one of those being stopping time and traveling into the past. Next is the statement Is that jiren doesn't surpass the concept of time, so he doesn't have inaccessible speed. This is a terrible argument, Concepts have nothing to do with inaccessible speed, the only thing that concepts matter in so far as speed is irrelevant speed. If that was your argument, I would agree. Now you point out when does Goku move when hit activates time skip. I think you're having trouble understanding what he was arguing. he was arguing Goku had immeasurable speed for blocking Hits, time skip. Now he doesn't really explain what immeasurable speed is, but the basic gist is when a character through sheer speed alone time travels. Examples be the flash going back in time because he runs too fast. You brought it up as a possibility but just ignore it, so there's that. the next thing is that downplaying the prediction feat. Now, the first thing you brought up is the difference in strength between Goku and Hit. Now Hit is stronger than base Goku, but there is a rule in the tournament to not kill your opponent, so Hit would be holding back more. next is speed, Hit being faster than blue Vegeta in the scene can't actually be proven because hit was using time skip. the next is that even if what you said was true, that wouldn't make him slower than OG DB Krillin because both Goku and Hit is faster than Krillin provable so.
Now onto Zeno. Platonic Concepts are not stated or implied to be a thing in Dragon Ball. I have no Idea why you brought it up. I'm assuming it is to counter the statement of Zeno erasing the timeline. Zeno Can do everything he does without bringing up concepts, it could just be a better existence erasure, as hakai doesn't erase everything from existence. If you're going to state he was making an argument for irrelevant speed, he wasn't, it was just inaccessible speed.
For Granolah I haven't read that part, so I'm not going to touch it, I'm going to look into it later to see the context.
For the universe Destruction feat. Your arguments hinge on the idea that Goku should destroy earth but doesn't it's not just Goku power it's Goku plus Beerus it being a shared feat invalidates it. The first problem is that Goku be for the feat still has enough control over his energy to not destroy the planet beforehand, so why would he destroy the planet during the feat in question. As you point out, that characters in Dragon Ball could already destroy planets and not destroy if they chose not too. Now, you would point out that if Goku doesn't cause this shock wave earlier in the fight. this could be explained by multiple reasons. One Saiyans get stronger as they fight, In Dragon Ball Super it was change to from near-death experience to fighting in general, Look at Broly for that. Two Goku wasn't using all the energy he had and was using more as the fight goes on. The third reason is Beerus is not trying to destroy the planet. Beerus promised Goku he would not destroy the planet if he beats, and Beerus has shown he intends to keep the promise, and as every one knows Goku doesn't have perfect control over his energy. The next part is that it's a shared feat so it doesn't count, the problem is the scale of the feat. So Goku was and Beerus was going to destroy the universe. Now the issue is in Dragon Ball the universe doesn't just mean the living world, it also includes the afterlife and the Kioshin Realm. Heaven is stated in the guide books that is so big compared to the living world, the universe vanishes when you compare them. it's like comparing the earth to the observable universe. We know this because the shockwave Dimension hoped to reach King Kai and The supreme Kai's realm. Giving it more time to eventually destroy the universe. The speed of the shock wave could just be argued that they just felt it hitting them also cinematic timing. and for the blast clash, I don't know which one you're talking about, but every single one is just before the shock waves is just Beerus Obviously not taking the fight seriously and everyone after that is when Goku Fully learns how to control his energy.
Even if we don't agree on any of this, we can at least agree that Goku Solos
The beerus vs goku thing actually gets completely explained in the anime
The shockwaves are getting to the kayoshin realm, they get more destructive power the more they travel (that is why they arent destroying earth) and Goku learned to control God ki so that is why the shockwaves stopped
(The shockwaves were shown to erase a planet in an unknown location too so it was definitely more than planet level)
And after the beam clash no shockwaves were created after so that is why the universe didnt get destroyed
@@mystic6121 1. Again vados said hit was storing time skip to use his ability, this would put it under the category as a FORM of time manipulation. But again goku being able to raise his arms before hit used his ability and still blocking it proves my point. Goku did not break through time to block the attack, he predicted hit, this wouldn't make him have immeasurable speed. Him powering up to blue and using kaioken to "break" hits ability wasn't either. He predicted hits movement and was aware of how hits ability worked. Also you saying that platonic concepts like time and space don't exist in dragon ball is simply wrong. The fact that there is night and day, and people actively getting older proves my point, they do exist within the dragon ball universe, along with that fact abilities like hits exist. So like I said, Zeno's used existence erasure to wipe out zamasu, who was fusing with it. He took out the saved data within a save slot and left that same save slot empty. This is proven when he erases the universes during the tournament of power, the concept of space and time around them weren't affected. Zeno uses a version of existence erasure, not conceptual erasure. Goku was not moving in an area where time and space was irrelevant. And I don't know why you tried making an argument for Jiren? He powered through a concept of time, that doesn't make him above the entire concept of time just that version of it, of that was the case the tournament of power would have been much quicker. And back to the hut argument, hit holding back doesn't mean he was entirely pulling his punches. He was still putting power on such into his powers, or he wouldn't have damage ssgss Vegeta.
With Beerus and Goku I guess I. Didn't go into depth enough, I admit I was wrong to say it wasn't above planet level. But it is proven that Goku's god ki cancelled out beerus, which is why the shockwaves were weak around them. Which means, this isn't a Goku feat, it was the fact that the shockwave from a punch from Goku AND Beerus proved fatal to the universe. This means that Goku's ki suppressant, couldn't overpower the shockwaves overflowing with the god of destructions ki. This would mainly be a Beerus feat actually, shocker.
@Localwarriorsfan For the first statement, "Again Vados said Hit was storing time skip to use his ability, this would put it under the category as a FORM of time manipulation." we agree on that one. Hit's timeskip is a form of time manip. For the Goku part, no, not really. In the manga, your statement would be true because Hit can't hit people while in timeskip. In the anime, it wouldn't because hit can hit people while in timeskip. Which means that when Goku move it would be while in timeskip which he can only do if he had immeasurable speed.
For the Platonic concept statement. Just like any philosophical principle, like panpsychism these things don't have to be true in fiction. to assert it is true when nothing is referred to as such is an assumption that you are making.
I will admit that I didn't know what you're arguing about Zeno's erasure. I thought you're arguing conceptual erasure, you were not, so we agree because That is what I was auguring. Now for the second part. I, think your argument for why Goku moving in the erased timeline doesn't grant him inaccessible speed is a terrible argument. For starters, the concept of space being irrelevant has nothing to do with inaccessible speed. The second issue is that Zeno doesn't have to erase time on a conceptual level to make a timeless void. we already know that Zeno can erase time. each universe has their own space time continuum, and he erased those which would include the different realms in those universes. To say that he didn't erase time when we know he can erase would require way more evidence.
For Jiren, I still don't know why you keep bringing up the concept of time, There is only one concept of time. The Platonic concept of time includes ALL notions of time, Which would include hit's time prison. Now I obviously know what you mean, Jiren doesn't surpass time in its entirety. The Issue is this is just a statement being asserted, Nobody but Ultra Instinct Goku scales to Jiren, so saying that TOP would have ended faster is not an argument. The argument against inaccessible Jiren Is hit's time prison is a hax and jiren resisted it.
For the holding back, Hit comment. For hit to not kill Goku because blue Vegeta is obviously more durable than base Goku. Hit would have to suppress himself more than when he did he fought Vegeta that is the argument I'm making.
I don't agree with interpretation of the battle of gods, shockwave is a Beerus feat. We know that bad ki control causes similar events to happen. Goku doesn't have great ki control yet. Then when Goku goes full power and Beerus used more of his power but still not full power. They then caused the shockwave. Goku learns how to better control his power, the shockwave goes away. The argument I'm making is simply that because Goku doesn't have good control over his ki it was most likely him to cause the shockwave. The reason I don't it was Beerus is that in both the anime and manga. Beerus is a more skilled fighter than Goku and wouldn't cause the shockwave, as he has better ki control than Goku does, especially at this moment. This is just a slight disagreement, but yeah that's my issues.
Why is this still a debate-
I think Gojo has Ki, or at least a small amount of it-it's just life energy that everyone has. So I believe Goku could sense Gojo.
Additionally, I think you could compare cursed energy to Genki-the same energy Goku uses for his Genkidama. Normally, you can't sense or feel it, but when Goku builds up a Genkidama, you can feel it. I'd say it’s probably similar to Hollow Purple; you can't normally sense cursed energy, but when an attack like Hollow Purple is being built up, Goku could probably feel and sense the aura or negativity.
Cool Video, keep up the content
Summarizing this entire video: If we highballed Gojo as much as possible while keeping it atleast backed up in some way or another, even by assumptions, he could probably manage to survive long enough to cry, and then die
Bru😂
Base Goku victim
Actually for the domain expansion I feel since ultra instinct is his body moving without THINKING he won't need to comprehend infinity to move
Bro had the "but can he beat goku?" Arugment
The most glazed character of today vs the most glazed character in history
10:21
LOL when luffy is running away from goku got me dying (no hate against luffy)
Bro finaly ended the debait of goku vs gojo before 2025
Now before I start, I'd like to make it clear I love both anime and Im not downplaying, or upscaling either with this. So first off just going by science alone infinity can be speed blitzed, because theres not a true infinite amount of halfway points, things can only get so small before it cant be divided again. 2nd with infinite void there are 2 things Goku has that you didnt mention, A) ki involves having immense mental fortitude, so Goku can comprehend way more info than a normal person, maybe not enough to just ignore infinite void though. And B) UI moves without thought, so his mind being overloaded wouldnt stop him if he was using UI, and even if it didnt stop his body from moving we see twice in the manga that UI will make a susano looking ki construct if the body is unable to move. Thank you for listening to my ted talk
21:48 well in ultra instinct goku doesn't think and his body thinks on it's own so he might him self not see or feel what is happening in his mind , his body will move ,fight and dodge freely
@mido_mayadoo In the manga, UI requires a clear mind to use, which would be hard to maintain if your mind is being injected with months to years worth of information, stretched out to infinity.
20:12 isn't he faster than morrow who is faster than instant transmission?
High balling Gojo for this
Goku was speed blitzing a character that literally paused time and space around him.
What the hell is gojo slowing dowm time going to do?
Lemme correct a few things…
1.) What whis said would still hold true as he gave an explanation for it, what goku was doing is called hax negation. The effectiveness of hax I.e time skip reduces for example if hit was to skip time for 0.1 sec it would increase to 1sec and so on giving goku time to counter him… what king Kai said would be hyperbolic
2.)pikkon and goku didn’t Enter heaven
3.) granola was using a technique not his raw speed
4.) a timeless void doesn’t grant you any speed feat, the world of void was timeless and dypso still moved at his normal FTL speed
5.) jiren transcending time is hyperbolic as he didn’t even use his speed but his strength or power level again which is hax negation
@@Rookie77_1 why is it hyperbolic? It wouldnt make a lot of sense for it to be hyperbolic since if i am not wrong his opponent was hit, who controls time
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The world or void is timeless but grand priest added gravity there, therefore there was also time
Plus Goku can just destroy the planet go to Namek use the Namek dragon balls and wish everybody back and the planet back except for Gojo. Gojo is so cooked either way it’s not a challenge.
The glaze for Goku got to be studied,bro have not seen my 200% hollow purple
@@olusegunbelcon It's not even glaze, it's just what Goku can do
@@Unremarkable6969what about Satima vs Goku huh,thats what I thought.
@@olusegunbelcon Saitama only wins if you think he is a one shot gag character, which serious fights like his battle against Cosmic Fear Garou prove is not the case. A gag character like Arale or even Kid Goku doesn't have serious moments like that.
@ dude can u explain in simple terms, I’m new to anime,the only shows I have watched is,jjk,one punch man and attack on titan.
@ isn’t Satima portrayed as an unbeatable character which can kill u with 1 punch?
You don't even need infinite speed to bypass infinity. You'd only need to be FTL as a baseline because, get this, anything that moves faster than light WARPS space-time by default. That's the theory of general relativity and is how the sci-fi concept of a "warp" drive came to be. If something is moving at faster than light speeds, it is also inherently warping space-time. As Sukuna showed, if you can warp the space directly then you can ignore infinity. Anyone who's FTL can do that, no infinite speed required.
i do love jjk but i don't love it because "gojo beats anyone" i love it for its characters progression AND THAT FIGHT CHOREOGRAPHY HOLY CHOSO VS YUJI SO GOOD
Hope of the Universe vs The Honoured One
2:51 the equation is the sum of 1/2^n as n ranges from 1 to infinity
I don't know what's stopping Goku from putting up a barrier like he did against U9 or Vegito did inside of Buu the instant he detects something off (standard battle aura aside) especially with his telepathy, but if he did it'd be a good moment for gojo to drop some exposition on how it works otherwise... lol
@@MegaMachiOnline holy shit, I didn't even think of that.
Naww the xeno verse logo got me every time😂😂
Can Goku just use ultra instinct to avoid limitless void think about it I know he can’t dodge it but since in ultra instinct his mind is calm can he just ignore the information think about it if he is only focusing on the fight he can’t focus on anything else so if he’s focusing on the fight he can’t focus on the info or am I wrong can he still receive information even in ultra instinct W vid.
Guys in the buu saga when he was at Ssj and ssj2 during when he was fighting some galactic monster bobbity said he had 3000 Jules of smt energy and 300 can destroy on planet and this was the ssj1 not 2 with ssj2 is 4x ssj1 which mean that Goku was at 12000 Jules of energy at ssj2 and ssj3 is 20x more than ssj2 which mean that Goku was 240000 Jules of energy which is a lot in the buu saga and keep in mind we don’t know the power of super Saiyan god but let’s say it’s around 50x of ssj3 since a finger flick from beerus was almost about to kill Goku when he was in ssj3 but super saying god was about to atleast barely keep up with beerus so therefore he would have around 12 million Jules and super saiyan blue super saiyan is 50x more than super saiyan god and I’m not doing the math but it’s a lot and mastered ultra instinct would be atleast 60x stronger than blue super saiyan god along with his ability to dodge every punch (not every but almost every) which is still insane so Gojo is getting cooked by krillen so ain’t no way Gojo gonna win if Gojo could destroy a billion planets at once then congrats he might win but that ain’t happening lol and also Goku broke through hits pocket dimension and super saiyan blue so ultra instinct Goku would easily break the domain expansion infinite void so like cause this took me a while to write and yes I’m a Goku fan
Im not reading all that
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Goku can sense every living things that has energy bro, if you dont know, there's one episode in db super when goku is trying to sense hit's ki when hit was on earth and was trying to assasinate goku, so there's one moment that goku was eating rice with his eyes closed, and before the mail man knock the door, goku sensed it and immediately charged at the door assuming it was hit, and before that happens, he even sensed the cockroach while eating with his eyes closed, proving that goku can sense anything with ki (life energy)
btw something u didn't mension is that ui throws all the usless information out off your mind
In conclusion yes Goku absolutely murders gojo based off his withstanding abilities and the fact that all of his attacks scale obnoxiously higher then Gojos ever have
“AirPod vs Supermassive black hole.” aah argument
Yujiro could solo both of them by using the technique he learned from ancient monks long before he was born
Dont wanna be that guy, but isnt hits time technuiqe a time skip? It isnt a time stop as i remember
I thought the whole premise of Ultra Instinct is not thinking.....Whis confirms that when one goes into the Ultra Instinct state, the body is detached from the brain( as in every body part moves individually from each other using reflex), this is why Goku had a hard time using the form since he is essentially a zombie when he uses it...he doesn't even know most of the things his body is doing in this form since it moves on reflex....no information is being sent to any part of his body to do anything, he just moves.....meaning Infinite Void is essentially useless in this situation, flooding a brain that has essentially shut down is like uploading data to a flash drive that doesn't work
@@xenaparker-579 In the manga, UI requires a calm mind to maintain. Your brain being flooded with an immense amount of information that's being stretched to appear infinite.
20:22 that's breaking in a domain, witch usually isn't useful. Breaking out can only be done by creating a hole in the domain with another domain (like Megumi), killing the caster or overpowering the domain.
Goku could probably just scream out of the domain