Goku: *Punches* Gojo: "It doesn't work, it's like there's a limitless void between us." Goku: *Punches again* Gojo: *Explodes* Gojo: "What the heck, there was a limitless void between us!" Goku: "You've already shown me that move before. It won't work on me again." Gojo: "That makes literally NO SENSE!" Goku: "Neither does your move..."
@@mookiestewart3776 but we have to know limitless is part of his physical ability. Although yamcha can use ki blast which can create shockwave and atomic level destruction so limitless wont be able to witstand multuple ki blast. So yamcha win
@doubletapp1335 Since the Buu saga, people have been able to, with just yelling, shatter space time to escape the room of spirit and time by creating a hole in it. Then Buuhan has a move where by powering up, he starts to collapse the entire macrocosm into itself
@@Paul_Frankfacts, even Goku against Hit is shattering his pocket dimension with his speed/punches alone. Then there's the whole Beerus clash, shaking the world of void which is comprises of infinite nothingness, etc. Goku's power alone negates Gojo's hax and then Gojo would die in a hit.
@@jayb235yup i mean like a gazilion Times weaker version of him but when gokus off guard he can get killed by many things even bullets sometimes hurt him and then he also tanks multiverse destroying attacks whiteout any problem in base thats goku for you
@@jayb235db logic. You can be an infinitely powerful 92nd dimensional being, and die from a bullet if your off gaurd. Also, why would you count viruses against him? Anyone could die from something like that.
Fun fact: domain expansion only works on anime characters in jjk, why? No other verse has cursed energy, example, toji has no cursed energy, so he cant get effected by domain expansion, so any character that is outside of jjk is immune to domain expansion.
Something worth pointing out, regular humans are capable of surviving Infinite Void so long as they aren't exposed to it for more than .2 seconds. With how fast goku is that is actually an INCREDIBLY long amount of time. Frankly goku is so fast that i honestly wonder if he would be inside the domain long enough to actually be effected by it
good point. also, goku isn't a human and even if he was, he sure as shit isn't a regular one. no way in hell is infinite void killing him in .2 seconds with how strong his body is.
@@justarandompepe8961 He would technically be considered a regular one since he doesn't have cursed energy, infinite void hits harder on those who don't have it.
@@LumiKattlinBut then you must consider how the energies of each universe apply against each other, if they even do. If Ki can somehow act as a barrier against Cursed Energy and their related attacks/powers, then it's not even close to a fight. Goku would only take attacks if he is 100% caught off guard, or relaxed, we have examples of this in the series. But if he knows he is gonna fight, sure he won't use like... 10k power level worth of ki, expecially if Cursed Energy can be sensed like Ki is, he will at least use the same amount as Gojo has.
This is rather consistent with what the guy explained Infinite Void to be. As the first instance of thought comes at about those speeds, faster or slower given the cognitive power of the individual in mind.
If you remember afterwards, the humans were still absolutely baked, needing months to even function normally again. And it was only inside Gojo's mind that he made the split-second thought of 0.2s being the limit a human can withstand
If Gojo is having nosebleeds just from casting domains, that kinda erases the whole "Gojo has infinite stamina" argument. If he uses too much CE he clearly suffer pain or die outright. The amount of force that Goku would put on Gojo's infinity would probably just cause Gojo to either drop infinity or for his brain to explode.
@@darthgames3 nah it's because after a domain your ct is on cooldown but gojo used reverse cursed technique to heal his cooldown but that destroys your brain reread the chapter you'll see
His nosebled was because he focused too much on renewing his technique instead of healing his body,not stamina issues,it it was then that's one more thing gege is compromising because he wrote himself into a corner.And force has nothing to do with infinity?Infinity shows down attacks infinitely the user doesn't even counter the force of an attack the force goku output is irrelevant unless it has like immeasurable speed and he has other easier ways to counter infinity.
@@ahmadkazan5473 he has finite cursed energy output and stamina; which is why he has to focus on renewing his CT in opposition to doing other things. Jamari who has infinite CE in jackpot, heals automatically. Gojo has clear limits and limited CE. Force/power and speed are directly related to velocity. That’s middle school science fam.
what?? no... goku's instant transmission is simply teleporting to locations he's been before by using ki. it's teleportation, and simply teleportation, which is instant. as far as i remember, there are no dimensions in dragon ball and the most would be timelines and universes.
@@scanbbb the hyperbolic time chamber is an extra dimension. And yes, instant transmission is goku traveling through a parallel dimension. It's been explained.
@@maravreloaded goku explained how instant transmission works in the broly movie. And since that is the only explanation for the technique, it's the default explanation until something else comes along.
@@scanbbb I distinctly remember a time of goku saying that his particles have to dismiss into light, or something like that back when he first got the technique
I'm just surprised that jjk fans r not throwing slurs in the comments Dude's can't explain jjk mechanics but will burn u at the stake if you say Gojo won't "no diff" any fictional character that gets compared to him
@@sixfromtokyo Goku beating infinity: 1)Goku can seal gojo with mafuba.... Goku wins... 2) Goku can hakai past infinity, ex Zeno can hakai things based on bio signature without harming the surroundings..... 3)Goku can summon Zeno... nuff said 4)Goku can teleport Kamehameha past infinity as it locks onto bio signatures and teleports him there... 5) Goku has telekinesis and can stop multiversal beings like Moro and block attacks and levitate opponents with just his mind like with Granolah.... 6) Goku can encase infinity with god bind allowing him to lock Gojo in place for all eternity AND then cut off his air supply by teleporting him under the ocean or he can cut off his air supply by encasing him in ki like in the hands of Goku's avatar until he suffocates LIKE Gara encasing someone in sand.... Goku beats limitless: 1) Goku can teleport out of limitless as he can teleport past different dimensions, like the afterlife 2) Goku can move outside the range of a domain expansion faster than gojo can encapsulate him into a domain expansion.. 3) Hakai destroys domain expansions
oh wow. sukuna barely get pass purple in his strongest state yet, while goku able to tank hakai (albeit a weak version) in his base form while off guard. @@ahmadkazan5473
One thing people keep forgetting is the insane speed difference between them. Regardless of what ability gojo has his brain still operates slightly above a human scale of speed. Dragon Ball characters have been fighting faster than light speed since before Z. By now they're so fast there's not even a point in trying to quantify it anymore (Goku flying through hell in finite time even tho it's an infinite dimension) so Goku can reach gojo even before gojo knows Goku exists. And even if he could react to Goku's speed his ability will still get shattered by Goku's natural aura since we know he can generate power well beyond the universal scale. This whole debate makes 0 sense given the massive stats difference.
@@rifarira9160superman stomps goku, milkman man is above concepts, this isnt even mentioning the "idea of superman". Even if you were to disregard these conceptual feats, superman still scales to multiversal feats, boomtube superman's size alone is above the entire multiverse of dragonball.
@@greed864this is insanely stupid as there's multiple supes and multiple gokus now. And a good amount of supes lose to Gokus. There's only a few who can do shit and even there they're basically fearless, ie superman prime or 1 million whatever the hell his name is.
Ikr its not even DBZ fans fault, it's the fault of that particular anime fanbase that starts comparing their fav anime character of the show to Goku lol
i love your videos, you not only fully explain what would theoretically happen, but more importantly why and how it would go down. so many people just be saying stuff without thinking about it or are so emotionally charged that they don't think logically.
I still dont understand how goku bypasses infinity like with which technique cuz all the bros in the comment said was that goku is strong and shit but not an actual technique or at least an attack that nullifies any defensive power, like the soul splitting sword that cut through infinity or the plot armor technique which sukuna haven't used since the heian era
@@-S4TUniverse is infinite (atleast in DBVerse), and one of DB villain, Super Buu, able to tear it apart just by screaming. Goku right now is infinitely more stronger than Super Buu, which mean he can easily over power infinity barrier and destroy it with simple raw punch to the face no need for fancy technique. Even if he cant destroy infinte barrier, Goku can just punch the dimension space around Gojo and break it, which will affect Gojo just like how Sukuna dimension slash affect gojo. another example of Goku interacting with infinite concept is Goku shaking the infinite void with just powering up. If goku powering up shake the infinte void, which shouldnt be able to be shaken to begin with, then infinite barrier is an easy piece.
@@-S4T I'm gonna say this as simply as possible. No disrespect, but Gojo isn't special. Spatial manipulation is something common in DBZ, like the other commenter said. Goku's weakest punch can easily tear through space and reality, and even if people wanted to give Gojo that benefit and say he couldn't Goku would just learn how, he has way higher battle I.Q, learning capabilities and overall abilities than Sukuna, would not take Goku long.
@@-S4T Also goku has recently advanced his ultra instinct to the point that he can use it with his other forms. So he doesn’t even need to be in mui to attack gojo within infinite void. Even his base form will be a serious threat.
yeah hes not the strongest but more weaker characters can shove gojos glasses down his throat. (piccolo, trunks, yamcha, kid trunks, goten and ect.) so goku is basically not needed
@@daddy_Ryoto Dont forget Chi Chi! She was very close to the same power level as someone who blew up the moon last we saw, so she could prob just nuke the floor with a punch and kill him that way. Which reminds me of Goku's easiest way to win. Just blow up the earth, or the solar system, or the galaxy, or the Universe. Gojo cant survive in space
@gunnerfiner8361 he can but wouldnt. plus i dont think goku can survive in space either but even without blowing the planet up he would still fuck gojo up in 10 seconds.
@@daddy_Ryoto Wdym he wouldnt. We are looking at character stats and powers vs a different character stats and powers. And Goku 100% can survive in space. He fought Berus in space, and has fought other people in space. He can at least hold his breath for 1 second, which is more then enough time to teleport away.
The big problem with most of the arguments in Gojo's favor is that raw strength in Dragon ball just tends to straight up neg hax. Goku literally showed in the fights with hit that he can straight up bypass extra-dimensional concepts like time and pretty much just force himself into the future or destroy Hit's time barriers just by powering up enough. Even if Gojo's infinity barrier didn't just get nuked by Goku punching himself with incalculable force and in zero time via dragon ball bullshit, Goku could reasonably just power up so much that Gojo's infinity just stops affecting him entirely. We've seen it happen so often in dragon ball that it's more likely to happen that way than not. Good example being Buu, who showed that he could consistently just regen from attacks and didn't even feel pain or discomfort from physical blows, but the moment he got put up against someone significantly stronger than him, his regen got slowed down significantly and physical blows were able to deal visible damage to his body. That's just one of many examples In all reality, a fight between Goku and Gojo would involve Goku instantly blitzing him and breaking through his infinity, then somehow negging Gojo's unlimited void by powering up enough to just smash through the barrier on the spot. Even the sure-hit unlimited information would probably just get negged in a similar fashion, with Goku somehow having some kind of passive barrier that slows down the information transfer enough that it can't overwhelm him. For some people (namely jjk fans) that might seem like I'm just pulling it out of my ass, but in dragon ball, raw strength consistently beats hax with like, zero explanation other than just "he's stronger teehee".
assuming Ki enchance your physical prowess, both inside and outside, then i dont see how goku cannot tank infinite information long enough to stop gojo from doing it. i mean, isnt that the reason why goku condition getting worsen when fighting android 20? transforming to ssj make his heart beat more faster thus making the virus spread much faster. implying that the stronger your form the better your physical prowess become. Oh yeah, we even have much recent example for that. First is when gohan fighting one of the trio wolf where he got hit with poison, if i remember correctly goku said its dangerous for gohan to stay in ssj cuz its help spread the poison faster. another much much more recent example is during super hero movie where piccolo(or gohan i forgor) said that gohan eye sight is scale to his power. the stronger he became the better his eye sight become. so, assuming the physical capability of them have the same scalling as their power level in general than Goku brain would be infinitely much more durable than a normal human.
@@rifarira9160 A fair point. Plus in namek Saga Goku straight up reads Krillin's mind of all of the events since they last saw each other within the span of like a second and is completely fine. So it stands to reason that Goku should be able to process massive amounts of information far quicker and with far less risk of overload. If he's held there indefinitely, he'll EVENTUALLY start to suffer for it, but I think an in character Goku is gonna be smart enough to realize the danger and break through Gojo's domain the instant the sure hit begins.
Can't even say Gojo is stronger than Goku by any metric because Kid Goku was already moon+ to small-planetary by the time King Piccolo rolled around, he would lose to Jackie Chun in the 1st tournament too ..
Also goku has recently advanced his ultra instinct to the point that he can use it with his other forms. So he doesn’t even need to be in mui if u didn't know infinite void dont got shi on goku lo
I'd argue that if Goku is in a "powered up state" the barrier for the Infinity Void would not be able to close since the amount of ki goku releases is just too much, the barriers for the domains have greater durability from the inside but that doesn't mean it's indestructible and I don't think it'd be able to confine the sheer amount of ki released during something like SS3.
@@doriankamanzi6874 In my scenario he is already in a powered up state, my point would be if he gets to a powered up state before before the domain comes into play, Gojo might end up out of options since his domain, unlike Sukuna's, uses a barrier to form. Who knows, maybe ki can pass through the barrier without an issue, I'm just pointing out some possibilities.
@@doriankamanzi6874 How would it fry gokus brain though? I don't think you realize that goku has been ftl since the start of Z. What that means, is, his brain has to be advanced enough to keep up with his body. .2 seconds of gojos domain being half a years worth of information means nothing to goku.
That actually makes it worse as infinite void loops all info you've processed in your life. Without resistance, Goku cooked here, the debate isn't on if infinite void beats if it lands@@crimson5067
It can be the strongest or one of the strongest. If we talk about fighting, it can be one of the strongest, but angels like grand peiest can solo every other anime universe. If we talk about destruction...we have Zeno that can destroy entire universes by raising his hand@gogetablue7905
"Infinite Void could fry Goku's brain" He never had much of one to begin with and even if it did fry his brain that'd probably inadvertently activate mastered ultra instinct, maybe even a stronger version of it since he has even less braincells to work with. I think the fastest/easiest way for Goku to beat Gojo would be for Goku to use instant transmission onto Gojo and punch him in the head. GG, Gojo defeated in less then 0.1s. But yeah overall this debate is pretty silly.
My personal thought about getting around Infinity is to use more concentrated attacks. Domain amplification produces a dense Cursed Energy shield around the user so it's enough to affect limitless. Think about it this way, if I throw like 50 pieces of wood at an iron bar, the iron is not likely to break. But if I throw a tungsten cube of the same weight, the iron would dent. So its about the potency and density of Cursed Energy crushing Infinity.
The idea of the perception-blitz is a topic that has meat to me, but ultimately a lot of these debates boil down to fanboys throwing their faves at each other without really engaging with the mechanics of any abilities
“Unless you’re being extremely generous to a point I’d consider bias for Gojo, Goku would win” Flashback to Clothespins’ ‘inaccessible speed, five dimensional’ Gojo scaling 😭
@@donkeykong9822 tbh I don’t even think he believed that nonsense, him and his community are just anti Goku from what I noticed, had to dip out from his discord server a couple years ago because it was just so toxic 😭
dbz characters can usually bullshit their way out of hack abilities just by powering up. Oh can you stop time? Let me power up. Oh can you controls minds? Let me power up.
thats how strong they are. goku shook an infinite void simply by powering up and also took down and beat jiren who also shook an infinite void by walking.
What's funny is it's usually not Goku fans who do that. DB haters are just absolutely desperate to have a character that beats Goku for some reason, so they make absurd claims that DB fans then respond to. The "but can he beat Goku" types don't actually exist outside of memes.
The funny thing is once goku hears theres a space between us he would probably just use instant transmission, goku can sense life energy and gojo is right in front of him giving off a lot of energy and instant transmission is well instant so he would just go straight through it then punch him, wouldnt even need to power up
My take before watching this is that Gojo is definitely weaker in everything and for Goku it more comes down to if he could hit him and the unlimited void and if we assume Goku can hit Gojo then it comes down to does Goku just blits him in base or does Gojo get an unlimited void off. Forms for Goku don't matter as the base is already so strong that it's not worth mentioning Honestly it's a dumb fun argument that lost the fun factor due to people being overly zealous about it Edit: ok I finished watching a d yeah I agree with the stuff said, there is very little more to say as Six went into the finer details of my thoughts, though leading that UI may get around the one win condition I have Gojo is funny to me.
@@dianne8654 stop spreading misinformation, gojo's domain works against people with 0 cursed energy. it just doesnt apply the sure hit effect to people with HEAVENLY RESTRICTION. And goku doesnt have that.
@zyofroma5718 Can you prove the first part? People with heavenly restrictions have no cursed energy, which is precisely why domains don't work on them.
@@zyofroma5718 You're actually entirely wrong. If you dont equalize the verses, goku has 0 cursed energy. The heavenly restriction users are unaffected because of the exact same thing 0 cursed energy. It's why domains dont work on inanimate objects. This is explained when Sukuna's domain is activated and it describes his as special because it doesn't create a barrier it just manifests in the normal world meaning it hits inanimate objects too
Remember in dbz if you are powerful enough you can literally do anything. Like Vegito becoming a living fighting chocolate ball, super buu breaking out from the room of spirit and time dimesion, ss3 Goteks having sentient ki blasts shaped as ghosts with their form, zamasu taking over the universe, goku mind reading krillin on namek, frieza using the force to air choke krillin and blow him up like a balloon and others, goku able to keep up with a time wizard assasin by using kaioken. Strength just overwhelms everything.
Ah yes, what a well constructed argument "goku solos" i think i can not comeback from this instructive two-worded argument totally not bs and absolutely structured
@@elsensei666 never said it was bullshit, infact i totally agree with @Guns66's statement. Therefore i find your reply quite useless as i was not trying to be ironic assuming you thought i wanted and was sarcastic in my first comment
The 2 energy systems works too differently to be truly equalized, as we know that even with someone like Sukuna who has like 5x more Raw CE compared to Gojo (Yuta has like 3x more CE reserves than Gojo and Sukuna has 2x of Yuta but let's LOWBALL it) and even then, Sukuna is incapable of bypassing Gojo's hax with far higher RAW CE, which wouldn't happen to Ki users as it's been a law in DB that if your Ki is high enough you can ignore the haxes of people who have far lower Ki than you, even moreso with God Ki.
PE is always screwy. Bleach is a good example because obviously they are ghosts and can't even fight regular people. So, ofc you need to at least alter the circumstances to allow the fight to happen in the first place.
As much as I hate all the "Goku vs _____" debates, I appreciate that you actually proved your statements here, rather than just spouting hypotheticals.
Not sure about the infinite void explanation tbh because we know from the 0.2 second domain that only a finite amount of information flows into people's brains per unit time which I assumed is partially why the disaster curses and Sukuna were significantly better off than the regular humans, as they can process more information at a time. By that logic, Goku who is significantly faster and has far higher processing power than even Sukuna should have no issues inside infinite void.
The simple answer with any DBZ character debate is: if the DBZ character can destroy the planet, and the outerverse character can’t survive in space, it’s over
It would be interesting to have a video listing characters that can get past limitless or just no diff Gojo regardless since he keeps getting high balled all the time
I wish that they would stop putting him against other anime characters and actually put him againist the originals like marvel ,dc etc if such a “OP” character . If goku can go against super man put gojo against someone like the flash to really scale if we talking about characters who are basically untouchable.
Isnt Ki composed of Emotions as well? Like courage, determination, etc? And doesnt Goku use the Spirit Bomb which is mostly made of Positive Emotions? Finally isnt Cursed Energy just negative emotions? If all of the above is true then cant Goku's technique's already interact with Cursed Energy and Gojo's limitless without crossverse equalization?
Ki can be utilised without emotion but emotion can affect it's power and use. So unless it's a technique/special attack that utilises positive emotion like the spirit bomb you would need to use Verse equalisation.
This is what happens when people believe haxes work against power levels. There are different haxes in different animes even big 3 fans still think their characters can beat goku cause of the hax. But people forget how power levels work.
It’s also hinted by megumi that it’s possible to over power infinity with a strong enough attack (he says this when fighting the old cursed sorcerer dude with yuji when they trying to take down the barrier). I thinks it’s safe to say that goku can do that!
Goku broke time with his physical strength... And even then the force of Goku's punch would rip his skin off and he wouldn't need to touch him. Goku would probably take a nap in his domain expansion because "things were loud".
@@Baller_true On paper, a saibamen’s power level is close to Raditz, so 1,600. I would say that for the majority of characters, they would lose, maybe even in the same way Yamacha did. He was already fast af, but still got caught off guard.
I didn’t even think about the fact Unlimited Void just wouldn’t affect Goku with Ultra Instinct. Gojo legit has nothing on Goku aside from maybe purple which moves at light speed, but Goku has been FTL since he was a teenager…
@@stefanrer1037 There are arguments for top tier Jjk characters being lightning speed to even light speed, but there are also arguments for them barely being hypersonic. Either way Goku as a teenager is blitzing the verse.
you all act like ultra instinct makes his body no longer need a brain not only dose ultra instinct dodge by it's self not fight it was made for dodging by angles that's it but his body still needs a brain to function if it gets fried it can't work at all he will start bleeding from his eyes and be done
As far as I can tell, infinity can only be bypassed in the jjk verse by spacial manipulation. Domains, even open barrier ones, imbue the space around them with their cursed energy and warp space accordingly. Domain amplification is similar, but only impacts the space around the user. This is why they can bypass limitless. The reason why Gojo’s own hollow purple hurt him is because it is stated that Gojo’s own cursed energy is not recognized by the limitless(hence why Mahoraga could hit him by configuring it’s CE to be like his). But I don’t know if punching through dimensions gets through it. The way domain expansion and amplification bypasses it is by basically overlapping the space infinity affects with their own cursed energy and sort of pushing it back with the sheer amount of energy they use. I don’t think Goku has an ability that allows him to overlap space with his own energy to overpower another’s energy impacting that space, which seems to be the only real way around this. I haven’t watched DB tho so correct me if I’m wrong. Edit: Gojo has been stated 2 be able to keep up infinity around the clock forever, and has been stated to have infinite stamina as long as he’s not opening up 5 domains consecutively
regardless if it came down to it, goku can beat on gojo non stop for days straight and he will run out of cursed energy and infinity will dissapate he will die
Space cleave isn't a domain but it can still cut through infinity, if Goku can punch through space idk why he wouldn't be able to punch through infinity.
@@manny9191 Gojo's Six Eyes make the Cursed Energy usage efficient enough to replenish whats lost over time natrually. He had it up for days before getting tired before awakening, it's not running out.
@uutakke1 you said it yourself, he had it up for a few days before it ran out characters with massive stamina can fight nonstop, goku, saitama etc. They can fight for a very long time without stopping, gojo will use all his energy defending till it runs out. He cant last forever and its been shown multiple times even after awakening
@@manny9191 Before awakening... Now that Gojo is awakened his Cursed Energy efficiency is at max. The CE wasted on using Infinity is replenished naturally over time. He's not running out, ever. It's on 24/7.
@@recycledwaste8737 Not really. And the DB verse is really odd with powerscaling, as Goku letting his guard down would allow a mere bullet to bruise him, and they also have no form of regenerative ability unless it's a racial feature, which is also extremely odd.
I like this. It properly shows both sides and not just going "Buh Goku punch god!" Even I agree, the overwhelming power displayed in DBZ currently breaks gojo. Also, I thought infinity void made the target be forced to take in all forms of information
Six I'm making a video and I want to know if I could use this as an argument we all know by now that if Goku is off guard he could get hurt by laser so if he was off guard when fighting gottenks and gottenks blasted him with a full power kamehameha could he wipe Goku out of existence
@@sixfromtokyo I'm thinking about dropping my video today so I'd appreciate if you answer quickly in short if Goku did nothing would he get wiped out of existence by gottenks
If it's talking about time and space manipulation. Goku has been through all of that either in canon or non canon. Goku was fighting a metal cooler in instant transmission. wars. Goku was fighting an assassin who could manipulate time and space. In dragon ball heroes he was fighting kaio shin who can control time. R.I.P Toriyama 🙏. When Akira Toriyama has passed away everything will be canon so anyone will write Goku's destiny now.
I don't think that UI being able to move his body independently from the brain means that an UI user can keep moving while his brain is literally fried. Goku still has a mortal body: if you inflict lethal brain damage, he will just die. Your argument implies that Goku should be able to fight with his head chopped off as long as he is in UI, and I just don't think that's what it's impled in the actual story. Also, we are just straight up assuming that Goku starts in UI here. Because if he doesn't, he has no reason to go into UI as Gojo isn't an opponet that would require that, and if he enters infinite void while not using UI he will just die. Targeting or in general affecting space-time is also, like, not automatic for DB characters? Like, Goku has to actually figure out what the fuck Gojo is doing before he can find a solution, and then he needs to, like, think about it. And then it also needs to be a straight up obliterating oneshot as Gojo can heal from just about any injury, and that's also out of character for Goku: he doesn't nornally kill people unless you make him bloodlusted for the sake of the battle. If Gojo survives one hit, he will just go "oh shit" and open his domain. Idk, you act like Gojo needs a lot of pandering to win, but honestly you are giving Goku A LOT here. It almost feels like you treat Goku as a fighing game character that you control. Sure, if Goku starts in UI, and he immediately targets space time, and he is bloodlusted, then yeah, Goku wins. But a more fair scenario would be Goku starting in base, with no prior knowledge, and in character. Under these conditions honestly idk who would win most of the time, I can't put a number on it. It's definitely not impossible for Goku to figure out infinity before Gojo uses the domain, and he might just kill Gojo then and there even as an accident due to the AP difference, but, like, it's in no way impossible that it goes the other way around imo.
No, the damage of UV accumulates so yea if Goku got his brain fried completely he would die however if Goku just gets hit in the domain it wouldn't take him but 2 seconds to end Gojo with ease.
So Goku tries to hit Gojo. Gojo then explains his ability (in character) Goku targets space time and kills him. Idk why you're acting like since Goku won't start bloodlusted the fight becomes some "idk" scenario. Gojo has no way on earth to beat Goku because he's just too slow the ball is completely in Goku's court. If Gojo activates DE Goku can just move out the way before the barrier encloses, Goku can dodge all of Gojo's attacks. The fight seems like I'm giving Goku a lot because he has everything.
@@sixfromtokyo we've never really seen Gojo in a situation like this so it's hard to tell, but if Gojo was completely speed blitzed by someone and he also understood that the enemy could oneshot him, I severely doubt that he would go "hey, my technique is kinda cool, wanna know what it does?" like he usually does, he's gonna try to finish things quickly. The best example for this I can think of is Toji: Gojo wasn't telling him shit during the fight, he was just going straight for the kill. Also, do domain expansions have, like, a measurable speed? 'Cause in the anime when Mahito and Dagon do it it's just like " *poof* you're in here now", it almost looks like teleportation. Edit: all domains seem to be like this. the same goes for Sukuna for example: he goes "malevolent shrine" and a shrine appears out of nowhere, there's no "load time"
@@sanstheblaster2626Gojo & Toji done really talk to each other Toji is the one who gets right to business he doesn't really leave the time for Gojo to do that. But I think Gojo would in order to make Infinity more effective because in JJK you gotta remember saying what your technique does amplifies its effectiveness. Domain's have a quantifiable speed you can see Mahito's expanding against Yuji & Nanami in the anime and they have to create the barrier and I doubt everyone in jjk w/ a domain is infinite speed.
@@sixfromtokyo Still don't think Gojo is gonna explain anything tho because, frankly, for the first time in his life he might just be too afraid. He has the Six Eyes, so he should be able to tell what a monster Goku is. Like, Goku can destroy the universe. To a jjk character, he should look like a straight up god. as for domains, If that's the case then yeah Gojo is not hitting Goku. Or at least, not in a short enough time for Goku to figure out what to do. He needs to catch him off guard to do anything. Still think it's possible tho. You might think I'm shitting you, but DBS did make it canon that Goku apparently lowers his guard a lot in his fights, that it apparently happens frequently enough to be an exploitable weakness that he needs to correct, and that a fucking laser gun can take him out when he does. I honeslty hate that this is a thing, but it still happened.
Honestly. Infinity isn't a barrier in itself it's like a time slower, you never can reach the inside but Goku being Goku, he'll just speed through. As for the Domain Expansion. It doesn't matter wether Goku can survive in, cause Gojo dies before activating it
Goku also has an ability that straight up ignores Infinity, Instant Transmission. He can basically just completely bypass it, and Gojo can't do anything about it. There is nothing to slow down, Goku is just not there and then suddenly there. It's the most obvious counter to it possible.
Even if Gojo’s ability worked on Goku, let’s just admit this, Goku can survive any attack Gojo throws at him! So anyone who believes Gojo can even hurt Goku, they would have to be insane to believe a mere human can even consider killing Goku. But the main factor here is truly UI! Truly a magnificent explanation video my man. Besides, everything you just said is true.
In addition to DBS since Goku vs Hit, Goku is able to traverse space-time and dimensions ignoring any obstacles in his path. Meaning that Goku can punch gojo directly throw dimension B even if he cant touch him on dimension A due to infinity like what happen with Hit on DBS besides even if nothing ignoring that ecentually would work after Goku punches would destroy space time since he is capable of that in "battle of gods" foword
i have litterly said the paradox is how gojos abilitys runs and been told multiple times by gokutards that "its a paradox so it cant work hes just simplifying his ability" as if its not a fictional story abt ppl fighting embodiments of negative energy
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Goofy ahh debate
Fr
Nah fr
Tell ‘em bro!
Fr bro 😂
Fr JJK fans be delusional sometimes.
“Stand proud Satoru. You made me use kaioken”
Nah he should be proud if goku has to even move in general
Times 2 to make him feel better right?
“Stand Proud. You might beat my newborn son”
Kaioken lmao isn't that overkill he can barely handle the base form better send kid Goku 🤣
not if he kills him using his ki force in base
“Throughout the heaven and the earth, I am totally fucked.”
-Gojo
This 😂
Nga yo name Daniel do not talk bout getting fucked😂😂😂
😂
Gojo after seeing Goku's eye's/hair turn silver after he uses unlimited void on him
NAH, I'D WIN.
Goku: *Punches*
Gojo: "It doesn't work, it's like there's a limitless void between us."
Goku: *Punches again*
Gojo: *Explodes*
Gojo: "What the heck, there was a limitless void between us!"
Goku: "You've already shown me that move before. It won't work on me again."
Gojo: "That makes literally NO SENSE!"
Goku: "Neither does your move..."
So Goku went to the airport to have this conversation with Gojo?
@@yeikelamores6085 It's not like he doesn't know a technique which lets him literally do that
tbf, gojo so weak i doubt goku can sense him to it to the airport @@dahakaguardianofthetimelin4780
no one is debating this, gojo just wins, just like deku
@tutaj_zostan whatever your having I don’t want it, gojo and deku does no scratch to goku
“Stand proud Gojo. You are strong”
-Yamcha
Yesnt
i can prove thats right yamcha will solo his verse watch dragon ball og
@@dachidachidonadze1994 if gojo dont have limitless and infinity then maybe
@@abdullahkurashi2135dragonball characters ki nullifies all hax when strong enough, this has been shown several times in dragonball
@@mookiestewart3776 but we have to know limitless is part of his physical ability. Although yamcha can use ki blast which can create shockwave and atomic level destruction so limitless wont be able to witstand multuple ki blast. So yamcha win
Goku: Punches
Gojo: Has infinity shattered, meets Geto in the airport
Geto: How was Son Goku?
Thanks for the likes guys!
How does he shattee infinity?
@@gymshorts1101 His ki like many others can affect space time or scale to [people who can affect space time.
@doubletapp1335 Since the Buu saga, people have been able to, with just yelling, shatter space time to escape the room of spirit and time by creating a hole in it. Then Buuhan has a move where by powering up, he starts to collapse the entire macrocosm into itself
so did you just have the video on mute or just ignore the whole video tf xD@@gymshorts1101
@@Paul_Frankfacts, even Goku against Hit is shattering his pocket dimension with his speed/punches alone. Then there's the whole Beerus clash, shaking the world of void which is comprises of infinite nothingness, etc. Goku's power alone negates Gojo's hax and then Gojo would die in a hit.
Gojo:"nah I'd win."
Goku:"you sure?"
Goku: “You were truly magnificent, Gojo Satoru. I’ll never forget you until I start eating dinner tonight.”
@@kylewilson2004 had me dying XDDDDDDDDD
😂
Goku : Stand proud gojo, you are strong.
"Would you lose"
Yes.
"Stand proud satoru, you made me use 1% of my power"
-chi chi
bahahahaha
Chi chi is shown with kaioken, so this checks out
Chichi is literally the strongest person without using ki tho
@@Bobplushie666 chi chi is not shown with kaioken, it's just a red aura for gags
@@SkyRider4815 thats mr Satan position, the guy actually solid martial artist that can held on his own against any non-ki users
I mean, Infinity is a OP technique, but it kinda becomes irrelevant against somone who can tank a multiverse to the face.
Goku's durability is irrelevant. Infinity isn't an offensive ability, it's a defensive one.
@GSSAGE7 goku has inf speed and he bypassed timeskip so jts useless
we talking about the same dude that got capped in an and also died in an earlier timeline from a disease ?
@@jayb235yup i mean like a gazilion Times weaker version of him but when gokus off guard he can get killed by many things even bullets sometimes hurt him and then he also tanks multiverse destroying attacks whiteout any problem in base thats goku for you
@@jayb235db logic. You can be an infinitely powerful 92nd dimensional being, and die from a bullet if your off gaurd. Also, why would you count viruses against him? Anyone could die from something like that.
Itadori:What happened??
Gojo:Idk .....he just flared up his aura..........
Lmao 😭
I don't get it he doesn't even make it to that point
Itadori: What actually happened??
Gojo: He breathed..
@@user-qj4px6ob4y I still don't get it
@@user-qj4px6ob4y biblically accurate crossverse battle (in this case)
Anyone that claims to be the “strongest” has to run by the Goku fade
Goku isn't even the strongest.
Strongest shoenen mc@@user-zl3wf3ex6d
@@user-zl3wf3ex6d he is
@@user-zl3wf3ex6dyeah goku in power scaling is kind of like the wall that separates the fodder from the strong
@jax3845 🤨
No, he's not. Goku is brought up by Gokufans every time there's a strong character.
Goku gets beaten by a lot of people.
"stand proud gojo, you're worth 1.2 saibamen"
Goku doesn't know the Saibaman, it would be 1.2 Raditz
@silurus1962I mean yamcha can beat more than 2 saibamen, the saibamen only won because of a sneak attack
@@yeikelamores6085 nah not even 1.2 raditz, way too powerful for gojo
Bro 1.2 sqibermen is 1.2 radix soo gojo has the power lv of 1400 lool
I just proved gojo beats goku
I can't even believe this is a topic, after what Sukuna did to infinity, do people even think Goku can't one punch him into the airport? 🤣
Airport??? Try sending his @$$ packing to the dead zone.
@@NMbones98I imagine the scene, Goku and Gojo start fighting, Goku throws a punch and the next thing he knows, Enma is sending him to heaven.
@@yeikelamores6085Gokus arura would beat him before his fist lands
Yeah, usually six cooks but this aint it. It's not even a debate, let alone an 18 min discussion
@@NMbones98😐
“Stand proud gojo, you’re strong”
-Bulma
LOL
Fun fact: domain expansion only works on anime characters in jjk, why? No other verse has cursed energy, example, toji has no cursed energy, so he cant get effected by domain expansion, so any character that is outside of jjk is immune to domain expansion.
@@LoLmp4 thats cap and not a fact at all lol
@LoLmp4 you got a point
@@LoLmp4Except Sukuna's domain. Which can target anything even without CE.
Something worth pointing out, regular humans are capable of surviving Infinite Void so long as they aren't exposed to it for more than .2 seconds. With how fast goku is that is actually an INCREDIBLY long amount of time. Frankly goku is so fast that i honestly wonder if he would be inside the domain long enough to actually be effected by it
good point. also, goku isn't a human and even if he was, he sure as shit isn't a regular one. no way in hell is infinite void killing him in .2 seconds with how strong his body is.
@@justarandompepe8961 He would technically be considered a regular one since he doesn't have cursed energy, infinite void hits harder on those who don't have it.
@@LumiKattlinBut then you must consider how the energies of each universe apply against each other, if they even do.
If Ki can somehow act as a barrier against Cursed Energy and their related attacks/powers, then it's not even close to a fight.
Goku would only take attacks if he is 100% caught off guard, or relaxed, we have examples of this in the series.
But if he knows he is gonna fight, sure he won't use like... 10k power level worth of ki, expecially if Cursed Energy can be sensed like Ki is, he will at least use the same amount as Gojo has.
This is rather consistent with what the guy explained Infinite Void to be. As the first instance of thought comes at about those speeds, faster or slower given the cognitive power of the individual in mind.
If you remember afterwards, the humans were still absolutely baked, needing months to even function normally again. And it was only inside Gojo's mind that he made the split-second thought of 0.2s being the limit a human can withstand
If Gojo is having nosebleeds just from casting domains, that kinda erases the whole "Gojo has infinite stamina" argument. If he uses too much CE he clearly suffer pain or die outright. The amount of force that Goku would put on Gojo's infinity would probably just cause Gojo to either drop infinity or for his brain to explode.
he was nosebleeding because of domain spamming not ce output
@@alexandergonstas6660Yeah but the reason why domain expansion spamming made him nosebleed is because of the high CE output.
@@darthgames3 nah it's because after a domain your ct is on cooldown but gojo used reverse cursed technique to heal his cooldown but that destroys your brain reread the chapter you'll see
His nosebled was because he focused too much on renewing his technique instead of healing his body,not stamina issues,it it was then that's one more thing gege is compromising because he wrote himself into a corner.And force has nothing to do with infinity?Infinity shows down attacks infinitely the user doesn't even counter the force of an attack the force goku output is irrelevant unless it has like immeasurable speed and he has other easier ways to counter infinity.
@@ahmadkazan5473 he has finite cursed energy output and stamina; which is why he has to focus on renewing his CT in opposition to doing other things. Jamari who has infinite CE in jackpot, heals automatically. Gojo has clear limits and limited CE.
Force/power and speed are directly related to velocity. That’s middle school science fam.
Also, goku's instant transmission works by him passing his body through a parallel dimension.
Idk where you got that.
That's from Naruto.
what?? no... goku's instant transmission is simply teleporting to locations he's been before by using ki. it's teleportation, and simply teleportation, which is instant. as far as i remember, there are no dimensions in dragon ball and the most would be timelines and universes.
@@scanbbb the hyperbolic time chamber is an extra dimension.
And yes, instant transmission is goku traveling through a parallel dimension. It's been explained.
@@maravreloaded goku explained how instant transmission works in the broly movie. And since that is the only explanation for the technique, it's the default explanation until something else comes along.
@@scanbbb I distinctly remember a time of goku saying that his particles have to dismiss into light, or something like that back when he first got the technique
Are people still arguing this? I figured were far enough into JJK that people have stopped overhyping Gojo by now.
Nope
I'm just surprised that jjk fans r not throwing slurs in the comments
Dude's can't explain jjk mechanics but will burn u at the stake if you say Gojo won't "no diff" any fictional character that gets compared to him
@@sixfromtokyo Goku beating infinity:
1)Goku can seal gojo with mafuba.... Goku wins...
2) Goku can hakai past infinity, ex Zeno can hakai things based on bio signature without harming the surroundings.....
3)Goku can summon Zeno... nuff said
4)Goku can teleport Kamehameha past infinity as it locks onto bio signatures and teleports him there...
5) Goku has telekinesis and can stop multiversal beings like Moro and block attacks and levitate opponents with just his mind like with Granolah....
6) Goku can encase infinity with god bind allowing him to lock Gojo in place for all eternity AND then cut off his air supply by teleporting him under the ocean or he can cut off his air supply by encasing him in ki like in the hands of Goku's avatar until he suffocates LIKE Gara encasing someone in sand....
Goku beats limitless:
1) Goku can teleport out of limitless as he can teleport past different dimensions, like the afterlife
2) Goku can move outside the range of a domain expansion faster than gojo can encapsulate him into a domain expansion..
3) Hakai destroys domain expansions
They're arguing sakuna beats goku now
oh wow. sukuna barely get pass purple in his strongest state yet, while goku able to tank hakai (albeit a weak version) in his base form while off guard. @@ahmadkazan5473
One thing people keep forgetting is the insane speed difference between them. Regardless of what ability gojo has his brain still operates slightly above a human scale of speed. Dragon Ball characters have been fighting faster than light speed since before Z. By now they're so fast there's not even a point in trying to quantify it anymore (Goku flying through hell in finite time even tho it's an infinite dimension) so Goku can reach gojo even before gojo knows Goku exists. And even if he could react to Goku's speed his ability will still get shattered by Goku's natural aura since we know he can generate power well beyond the universal scale. This whole debate makes 0 sense given the massive stats difference.
at this point the only popular chara that deserve to be compared to goku is Superman.
@@rifarira9160superman stomps goku, milkman man is above concepts, this isnt even mentioning the "idea of superman". Even if you were to disregard these conceptual feats, superman still scales to multiversal feats, boomtube superman's size alone is above the entire multiverse of dragonball.
@@greed864 nah superman loses cause he's gay
@@geokashi357gay Superman slaps any day
@@greed864this is insanely stupid as there's multiple supes and multiple gokus now. And a good amount of supes lose to Gokus. There's only a few who can do shit and even there they're basically fearless, ie superman prime or 1 million whatever the hell his name is.
"stand proud gojo. you made me move 1 centimeter"
- baby bulma
You know Goku is a bad mamajama when every other shonen protagonist is immediately compared to him to see if they'd stand a chance.
Ikr its not even DBZ fans fault, it's the fault of that particular anime fanbase that starts comparing their fav anime character of the show to Goku lol
Are you Smug ? lmao
@@shirosatsuma4946 Am I smug?
@@SavageRush012 Smug, the guy that says bad mamajama
@@shirosatsuma4946 That makes zero sense but okay.
i love your videos, you not only fully explain what would theoretically happen, but more importantly why and how it would go down. so many people just be saying stuff without thinking about it or are so emotionally charged that they don't think logically.
Thanks lol
perforza
"Stand proud gojo, you've made me use my tounge" mercenary tao
'Think of infinity as a finite barrier with the ability to divide infinitely.' My man gets it!
Ye way to many act like it's automatically infinit it only has the potential to be infinit
do gojo vs gojo next
Nah he'd win
@@GothamThotSlayerwell, I think actually Gojo wins, not Gojo
Yeah I think gojo beats gojo because gojo has more abilities than gojo and gojo is gojo without the fact that gojo Vs gojo gojo would win
Go vs Jo
@@TonioQuo7the ultimate battle for his lower half
Bro, if someone's whole basis for an argument is one technique/skill, chances are, they should not be arguing.
I still dont understand how goku bypasses infinity like with which technique cuz all the bros in the comment said was that goku is strong and shit but not an actual technique or at least an attack that nullifies any defensive power, like the soul splitting sword that cut through infinity or the plot armor technique which sukuna haven't used since the heian era
@@-S4TUniverse is infinite (atleast in DBVerse), and one of DB villain, Super Buu, able to tear it apart just by screaming. Goku right now is infinitely more stronger than Super Buu, which mean he can easily over power infinity barrier and destroy it with simple raw punch to the face no need for fancy technique. Even if he cant destroy infinte barrier, Goku can just punch the dimension space around Gojo and break it, which will affect Gojo just like how Sukuna dimension slash affect gojo.
another example of Goku interacting with infinite concept is Goku shaking the infinite void with just powering up. If goku powering up shake the infinte void, which shouldnt be able to be shaken to begin with, then infinite barrier is an easy piece.
@@-S4T I'm gonna say this as simply as possible. No disrespect, but Gojo isn't special. Spatial manipulation is something common in DBZ, like the other commenter said. Goku's weakest punch can easily tear through space and reality, and even if people wanted to give Gojo that benefit and say he couldn't Goku would just learn how, he has way higher battle I.Q, learning capabilities and overall abilities than Sukuna, would not take Goku long.
@@-S4T Also goku has recently advanced his ultra instinct to the point that he can use it with his other forms. So he doesn’t even need to be in mui to attack gojo within infinite void. Even his base form will be a serious threat.
@natereacts312 gojo has infinity on all the time but ik goku slams, you still did not answer my question 😐
Gojo and Sukuna were literally going at it blow for blow, ain't no way he's hanging with Goku
How many punches can goku land before Gojo's heart beats even once? I'd love to see someone calculate a number
It all depends on Goku's character and how hard he is trying.
Depends, how many punches can Goku throw in 0.8 seconds?
@@RandomSkull69420 probably infinite
@@RandomSkull69420 I could throw one or a trillion, it all depends on how Goku feels at that moment.
if he could bypass infinity kkkkkkk
Nothing is funnier to me than comparing an OP character to Goku, when Goku himself is not even the strongest in his damn show.
And they always use a fairly weak version of Goku, as there are at least 15 stronger versions of Goku
yeah hes not the strongest but more weaker characters can shove gojos glasses down his throat. (piccolo, trunks, yamcha, kid trunks, goten and ect.) so goku is basically not needed
@@daddy_Ryoto Dont forget Chi Chi! She was very close to the same power level as someone who blew up the moon last we saw, so she could prob just nuke the floor with a punch and kill him that way. Which reminds me of Goku's easiest way to win. Just blow up the earth, or the solar system, or the galaxy, or the Universe. Gojo cant survive in space
@gunnerfiner8361 he can but wouldnt. plus i dont think goku can survive in space either but even without blowing the planet up he would still fuck gojo up in 10 seconds.
@@daddy_Ryoto Wdym he wouldnt. We are looking at character stats and powers vs a different character stats and powers. And Goku 100% can survive in space. He fought Berus in space, and has fought other people in space. He can at least hold his breath for 1 second, which is more then enough time to teleport away.
An uncomplicated explanation of how this fight would go and why. Awesome
This man saved us a death battle video
Given how those people hate DB I would say this was a blessing.
The big problem with most of the arguments in Gojo's favor is that raw strength in Dragon ball just tends to straight up neg hax. Goku literally showed in the fights with hit that he can straight up bypass extra-dimensional concepts like time and pretty much just force himself into the future or destroy Hit's time barriers just by powering up enough.
Even if Gojo's infinity barrier didn't just get nuked by Goku punching himself with incalculable force and in zero time via dragon ball bullshit, Goku could reasonably just power up so much that Gojo's infinity just stops affecting him entirely.
We've seen it happen so often in dragon ball that it's more likely to happen that way than not. Good example being Buu, who showed that he could consistently just regen from attacks and didn't even feel pain or discomfort from physical blows, but the moment he got put up against someone significantly stronger than him, his regen got slowed down significantly and physical blows were able to deal visible damage to his body. That's just one of many examples
In all reality, a fight between Goku and Gojo would involve Goku instantly blitzing him and breaking through his infinity, then somehow negging Gojo's unlimited void by powering up enough to just smash through the barrier on the spot. Even the sure-hit unlimited information would probably just get negged in a similar fashion, with Goku somehow having some kind of passive barrier that slows down the information transfer enough that it can't overwhelm him.
For some people (namely jjk fans) that might seem like I'm just pulling it out of my ass, but in dragon ball, raw strength consistently beats hax with like, zero explanation other than just "he's stronger teehee".
assuming Ki enchance your physical prowess, both inside and outside, then i dont see how goku cannot tank infinite information long enough to stop gojo from doing it.
i mean, isnt that the reason why goku condition getting worsen when fighting android 20? transforming to ssj make his heart beat more faster thus making the virus spread much faster. implying that the stronger your form the better your physical prowess become.
Oh yeah, we even have much recent example for that. First is when gohan fighting one of the trio wolf where he got hit with poison, if i remember correctly goku said its dangerous for gohan to stay in ssj cuz its help spread the poison faster. another much much more recent example is during super hero movie where piccolo(or gohan i forgor) said that gohan eye sight is scale to his power. the stronger he became the better his eye sight become.
so, assuming the physical capability of them have the same scalling as their power level in general than Goku brain would be infinitely much more durable than a normal human.
@@rifarira9160 A fair point. Plus in namek Saga Goku straight up reads Krillin's mind of all of the events since they last saw each other within the span of like a second and is completely fine. So it stands to reason that Goku should be able to process massive amounts of information far quicker and with far less risk of overload. If he's held there indefinitely, he'll EVENTUALLY start to suffer for it, but I think an in character Goku is gonna be smart enough to realize the danger and break through Gojo's domain the instant the sure hit begins.
Ppt
So basically you're saying that goku is strong because he is strong ah yes 😂
@@-S4T*Goku win because he's stronger*
“Stand proud gojo, you are strong.”
- Farmer with a shotgun
There is literally 0 fucking way Gojo can remotely challenge goku
Get gojo past emperor pilaf 💀
Can't even say Gojo is stronger than Goku by any metric because Kid Goku was already moon+ to small-planetary by the time King Piccolo rolled around, he would lose to Jackie Chun in the 1st tournament too ..
I was looking for a video to edge to, much appreciated 🙏
Aye man let's work to be better!
We must be better men. 😔
Normal people: A A A A A A A A
Goku: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
INTO THE DISTANCE! FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT NO WAY WE'LL GIVE IN!
Also goku has recently advanced his ultra instinct to the point that he can use it with his other forms. So he doesn’t even need to be in mui if u didn't know infinite void dont got shi on goku lo
I'd argue that if Goku is in a "powered up state" the barrier for the Infinity Void would not be able to close since the amount of ki goku releases is just too much, the barriers for the domains have greater durability from the inside but that doesn't mean it's indestructible and I don't think it'd be able to confine the sheer amount of ki released during something like SS3.
But Goku won't be able to power up or move his brain will be to busy drying while Goku can only think about powering up but never doing it
@@doriankamanzi6874 In my scenario he is already in a powered up state, my point would be if he gets to a powered up state before before the domain comes into play, Gojo might end up out of options since his domain, unlike Sukuna's, uses a barrier to form. Who knows, maybe ki can pass through the barrier without an issue, I'm just pointing out some possibilities.
@@doriankamanzi6874 How would it fry gokus brain though? I don't think you realize that goku has been ftl since the start of Z. What that means, is, his brain has to be advanced enough to keep up with his body. .2 seconds of gojos domain being half a years worth of information means nothing to goku.
That actually makes it worse as infinite void loops all info you've processed in your life. Without resistance, Goku cooked here, the debate isn't on if infinite void beats if it lands@@crimson5067
"You're really strong, you made me use all of my power"
- Yamcha
INSTANT TRANSMISSION INSTANT TRANSMISSION HE COULD JUST USE INSTANT TRANSMISSION
DB characters are just ridiculously strong 😂
yep
Of course, Dragon Ball Verse is one of the strongest in Anime verse. Not the absolute strongest but one of the. I'm proud of it xD
@@gogetablue7905and one of the few which actually have good writing
@@gogetablue7905yes
It can be the strongest or one of the strongest. If we talk about fighting, it can be one of the strongest, but angels like grand peiest can solo every other anime universe. If we talk about destruction...we have Zeno that can destroy entire universes by raising his hand@gogetablue7905
"Infinite Void could fry Goku's brain"
He never had much of one to begin with and even if it did fry his brain that'd probably inadvertently activate mastered ultra instinct, maybe even a stronger version of it since he has even less braincells to work with.
I think the fastest/easiest way for Goku to beat Gojo would be for Goku to use instant transmission onto Gojo and punch him in the head. GG, Gojo defeated in less then 0.1s.
But yeah overall this debate is pretty silly.
My personal thought about getting around Infinity is to use more concentrated attacks. Domain amplification produces a dense Cursed Energy shield around the user so it's enough to affect limitless. Think about it this way, if I throw like 50 pieces of wood at an iron bar, the iron is not likely to break. But if I throw a tungsten cube of the same weight, the iron would dent. So its about the potency and density of Cursed Energy crushing Infinity.
"Stand proud Satarou Gojo, you were in the conversation".
The idea of the perception-blitz is a topic that has meat to me, but ultimately a lot of these debates boil down to fanboys throwing their faves at each other without really engaging with the mechanics of any abilities
goku gonna think infinite void is space and will hold his breath😭🙏
“Unless you’re being extremely generous to a point I’d consider bias for Gojo, Goku would win”
Flashback to Clothespins’ ‘inaccessible speed, five dimensional’ Gojo scaling 😭
The crazy thing is that even with that crazy scale he's not beating DBS Goku
@@yeikelamores6085 💯
@@yeikelamores6085 if you lowball goku then he could but any other way? Nah not even close
That was a long time ago tho lmao
@@donkeykong9822 tbh I don’t even think he believed that nonsense, him and his community are just anti Goku from what I noticed, had to dip out from his discord server a couple years ago because it was just so toxic 😭
dbz characters can usually bullshit their way out of hack abilities just by powering up.
Oh can you stop time? Let me power up.
Oh can you controls minds? Let me power up.
thats how strong they are. goku shook an infinite void simply by powering up and also took down and beat jiren who also shook an infinite void by walking.
The fact you just broke down shit my collage professor can’t explain clearly is insane
I never take “but can he beat Goku” types seriously
Its funny
What's funny is it's usually not Goku fans who do that. DB haters are just absolutely desperate to have a character that beats Goku for some reason, so they make absurd claims that DB fans then respond to.
The "but can he beat Goku" types don't actually exist outside of memes.
The funny thing is once goku hears theres a space between us he would probably just use instant transmission, goku can sense life energy and gojo is right in front of him giving off a lot of energy and instant transmission is well instant so he would just go straight through it then punch him, wouldnt even need to power up
"So... How was the strongest saiyan?"
"really friggin' strong"
My take before watching this is that Gojo is definitely weaker in everything and for Goku it more comes down to if he could hit him and the unlimited void and if we assume Goku can hit Gojo then it comes down to does Goku just blits him in base or does Gojo get an unlimited void off. Forms for Goku don't matter as the base is already so strong that it's not worth mentioning
Honestly it's a dumb fun argument that lost the fun factor due to people being overly zealous about it
Edit: ok I finished watching a d yeah I agree with the stuff said, there is very little more to say as Six went into the finer details of my thoughts, though leading that UI may get around the one win condition I have Gojo is funny to me.
Domain expansions doesnt work on people with no cursed energy (disregarding sukuna)
Any character that can destroy earth and survive afterwords wins against gojo.
@@dianne8654 stop spreading misinformation, gojo's domain works against people with 0 cursed energy. it just doesnt apply the sure hit effect to people with HEAVENLY RESTRICTION. And goku doesnt have that.
@zyofroma5718
Can you prove the first part?
People with heavenly restrictions have no cursed energy, which is precisely why domains don't work on them.
@@zyofroma5718 You're actually entirely wrong. If you dont equalize the verses, goku has 0 cursed energy. The heavenly restriction users are unaffected because of the exact same thing 0 cursed energy. It's why domains dont work on inanimate objects. This is explained when Sukuna's domain is activated and it describes his as special because it doesn't create a barrier it just manifests in the normal world meaning it hits inanimate objects too
Remember in dbz if you are powerful enough you can literally do anything. Like Vegito becoming a living fighting chocolate ball, super buu breaking out from the room of spirit and time dimesion, ss3 Goteks having sentient ki blasts shaped as ghosts with their form, zamasu taking over the universe, goku mind reading krillin on namek, frieza using the force to air choke krillin and blow him up like a balloon and others, goku able to keep up with a time wizard assasin by using kaioken. Strength just overwhelms everything.
vegito go turned into a chocolate cuz of boo magic, but yeah.
Facts, Man!!! Like do people really believe gojo is somehow in the same league as Goku? GOKU!!!
This video needed to be 4 seconds long. All you had to say was "Goku Solos".
Ah yes, what a well constructed argument "goku solos" i think i can not comeback from this instructive two-worded argument totally not bs and absolutely structured
@@-S4T Indeed.
@@-S4T its not bullshit, its true lol. If you read both mangas you dont need an explanation.
Goku solos.
@@elsensei666 never said it was bullshit, infact i totally agree with @Guns66's statement. Therefore i find your reply quite useless as i was not trying to be ironic assuming you thought i wanted and was sarcastic in my first comment
What kind of Gojo fanboy would've requested this fight...
If verse equalization isnt a thing than any non jjk character has their own power along with immunity to domains
The 2 energy systems works too differently to be truly equalized, as we know that even with someone like Sukuna who has like 5x more Raw CE compared to Gojo (Yuta has like 3x more CE reserves than Gojo and Sukuna has 2x of Yuta but let's LOWBALL it) and even then, Sukuna is incapable of bypassing Gojo's hax with far higher RAW CE, which wouldn't happen to Ki users as it's been a law in DB that if your Ki is high enough you can ignore the haxes of people who have far lower Ki than you, even moreso with God Ki.
That's why we always put it on because Goku won't be able to see any if his attacks or anything
PE is always screwy. Bleach is a good example because obviously they are ghosts and can't even fight regular people. So, ofc you need to at least alter the circumstances to allow the fight to happen in the first place.
As much as I hate all the "Goku vs _____" debates, I appreciate that you actually proved your statements here, rather than just spouting hypotheticals.
Gojo fans awfully quiet rn what happened?
They'll be here don't worry, they always show up.
Lol
“stand proud gojo you’re pretty strong”
-saibaman
Not sure about the infinite void explanation tbh because we know from the 0.2 second domain that only a finite amount of information flows into people's brains per unit time which I assumed is partially why the disaster curses and Sukuna were significantly better off than the regular humans, as they can process more information at a time. By that logic, Goku who is significantly faster and has far higher processing power than even Sukuna should have no issues inside infinite void.
I think exactly the same, the faster someone is in combat, the better they should withstand the unlimited vacuum.
correct me if im wrong of course, but is it not stated that if you’re strong enough, you can break out of a domain expansion?
Yes
Can’t believe bro had to make a vid on it but W💯
this is the equivalent to who would win, a atom bomb or a baby with blue eyes
The simple answer with any DBZ character debate is: if the DBZ character can destroy the planet, and the outerverse character can’t survive in space, it’s over
It would be interesting to have a video listing characters that can get past limitless or just no diff Gojo regardless since he keeps getting high balled all the time
I wish that they would stop putting him against other anime characters and actually put him againist the originals like marvel ,dc etc if such a “OP” character . If goku can go against super man put gojo against someone like the flash to really scale if we talking about characters who are basically untouchable.
gojo can activate his domain in 0.2 seconds and goku can easily react faster and attack gojo before he uses infinite void
Yeah gojo is not light speed unfortunately so as soon as they begin fighting gojo evaporates 😂
@@Whiteobamas true since goku has infinite speed
This made my day. Thanks. 🤣
"Stand proud,You might beat my granddaughter"
"Stand proud,you have a better chance of beating yamcha"
Isnt Ki composed of Emotions as well? Like courage, determination, etc?
And doesnt Goku use the Spirit Bomb which is mostly made of Positive Emotions?
Finally isnt Cursed Energy just negative emotions?
If all of the above is true then cant Goku's technique's already interact with Cursed Energy and Gojo's limitless without crossverse equalization?
You know what ye you are right about that
While Ki can be empowered or drawn from such emotion, ki itself is still it's own life force that each individual character in db has.
Ki can be utilised without emotion but emotion can affect it's power and use. So unless it's a technique/special attack that utilises positive emotion like the spirit bomb you would need to use Verse equalisation.
Ngl Even a dead Goku with halo can beat Gojo
This is what happens when people believe haxes work against power levels. There are different haxes in different animes even big 3 fans still think their characters can beat goku cause of the hax. But people forget how power levels work.
Yeah,that
It’s also hinted by megumi that it’s possible to over power infinity with a strong enough attack (he says this when fighting the old cursed sorcerer dude with yuji when they trying to take down the barrier). I thinks it’s safe to say that goku can do that!
Goku broke time with his physical strength... And even then the force of Goku's punch would rip his skin off and he wouldn't need to touch him. Goku would probably take a nap in his domain expansion because "things were loud".
goku would tell gojo he got limitless an then just disintegrate him with his aura
Goku 1 shots, Nuts inside Gojo, Leaves, Comes back after 9 months, Doesn't pay child support and Leaves
Db characters: casually destroy planets
Gojo glazer: "nah he'd win"
Yamcha could probably solo most of the JJK cast 💀
They say "hollow purple solos" like that shit didnt even destroy a city
@@Hyvexx saibamen > most jjk cast yes or no? Your pick in this poll,guys. (Just making a poll.)
@@Baller_true On paper, a saibamen’s power level is close to Raditz, so 1,600. I would say that for the majority of characters, they would lose, maybe even in the same way Yamacha did. He was already fast af, but still got caught off guard.
@@Hyvexx alright so uhh you're saying saibamen would win? Alright and that's 1 vote. Thank u.
I didn’t even think about the fact Unlimited Void just wouldn’t affect Goku with Ultra Instinct. Gojo legit has nothing on Goku aside from maybe purple which moves at light speed, but Goku has been FTL since he was a teenager…
assuming purple even is, cause sukuna def reacted to it. so either sukuna has light speed reflexes or purple is fast but not light speed
@@stefanrer1037 There are arguments for top tier Jjk characters being lightning speed to even light speed, but there are also arguments for them barely being hypersonic. Either way Goku as a teenager is blitzing the verse.
@@stefanrer1037That a Sukuna much weaker than the one who fought Gojo doesn't react to a light speed attack?
@@stefanrer1037 purple 100% isnt lightspeed, hanami was able to avoid it.
you all act like ultra instinct makes his body no longer need a brain not only dose ultra instinct dodge by it's self not fight it was made for dodging by angles that's it but his body still needs a brain to function if it gets fried it can't work at all he will start bleeding from his eyes and be done
As far as I can tell, infinity can only be bypassed in the jjk verse by spacial manipulation. Domains, even open barrier ones, imbue the space around them with their cursed energy and warp space accordingly. Domain amplification is similar, but only impacts the space around the user. This is why they can bypass limitless. The reason why Gojo’s own hollow purple hurt him is because it is stated that Gojo’s own cursed energy is not recognized by the limitless(hence why Mahoraga could hit him by configuring it’s CE to be like his). But I don’t know if punching through dimensions gets through it. The way domain expansion and amplification bypasses it is by basically overlapping the space infinity affects with their own cursed energy and sort of pushing it back with the sheer amount of energy they use. I don’t think Goku has an ability that allows him to overlap space with his own energy to overpower another’s energy impacting that space, which seems to be the only real way around this. I haven’t watched DB tho so correct me if I’m wrong. Edit: Gojo has been stated 2 be able to keep up infinity around the clock forever, and has been stated to have infinite stamina as long as he’s not opening up 5 domains consecutively
regardless if it came down to it, goku can beat on gojo non stop for days straight and he will run out of cursed energy and infinity will dissapate he will die
Space cleave isn't a domain but it can still cut through infinity, if Goku can punch through space idk why he wouldn't be able to punch through infinity.
@@manny9191 Gojo's Six Eyes make the Cursed Energy usage efficient enough to replenish whats lost over time natrually. He had it up for days before getting tired before awakening, it's not running out.
@uutakke1 you said it yourself, he had it up for a few days before it ran out characters with massive stamina can fight nonstop, goku, saitama etc. They can fight for a very long time without stopping, gojo will use all his energy defending till it runs out. He cant last forever and its been shown multiple times even after awakening
@@manny9191 Before awakening... Now that Gojo is awakened his Cursed Energy efficiency is at max.
The CE wasted on using Infinity is replenished naturally over time. He's not running out, ever. It's on 24/7.
Crazy how UI is the perfect counter to gojos domain.
The issue is that current Goku isn't operating at 24/7 ultra instinct, so if he gets stuck he won't be able to activate it at all.
he still negs
@@mattmysterious866 factual
In the manga he's able to utilize UI in all his other forms. So, he kinda is operating with UI 24/7.
@@recycledwaste8737 Not really. And the DB verse is really odd with powerscaling, as Goku letting his guard down would allow a mere bullet to bruise him, and they also have no form of regenerative ability unless it's a racial feature, which is also extremely odd.
I like this. It properly shows both sides and not just going "Buh Goku punch god!" Even I agree, the overwhelming power displayed in DBZ currently breaks gojo. Also, I thought infinity void made the target be forced to take in all forms of information
Goku would 200 pump full box Gojo
You're trash at fortnite.
I'd 10-0 you Troy and Nightflame at the same time on my servers @@sixfromtokyo 🥱
@@pre4291me personally….
Six I'm making a video and I want to know if I could use this as an argument we all know by now that if Goku is off guard he could get hurt by laser so if he was off guard when fighting gottenks and gottenks blasted him with a full power kamehameha could he wipe Goku out of existence
I mean he could def harm him but Goku would most likely sense Gotenks charging it up lol
@@sixfromtokyo ok let's just say that he didn't sense and he was getting bathed in gottenks full kamehameha would he get wiped out existence
@@forreal7763no Goku has to actively suppress himself for him to get hurt like that
@@sixfromtokyo I'm thinking about dropping my video today so I'd appreciate if you answer quickly in short if Goku did nothing would he get wiped out of existence by gottenks
Gojo is trash compared to Goku.
keep dreaming jujutsu kaishit
my op character is sooooo op, get fucked nerds
yeah goku claps gojo. congrats on having fucked up power scaling
If it's talking about time and space manipulation. Goku has been through all of that either in canon or non canon. Goku was fighting a metal cooler in instant transmission. wars. Goku was fighting an assassin who could manipulate time and space. In dragon ball heroes he was fighting kaio shin who can control time. R.I.P Toriyama 🙏. When Akira Toriyama has passed away everything will be canon so anyone will write Goku's destiny now.
I don't think that UI being able to move his body independently from the brain means that an UI user can keep moving while his brain is literally fried. Goku still has a mortal body: if you inflict lethal brain damage, he will just die. Your argument implies that Goku should be able to fight with his head chopped off as long as he is in UI, and I just don't think that's what it's impled in the actual story.
Also, we are just straight up assuming that Goku starts in UI here. Because if he doesn't, he has no reason to go into UI as Gojo isn't an opponet that would require that, and if he enters infinite void while not using UI he will just die.
Targeting or in general affecting space-time is also, like, not automatic for DB characters? Like, Goku has to actually figure out what the fuck Gojo is doing before he can find a solution, and then he needs to, like, think about it. And then it also needs to be a straight up obliterating oneshot as Gojo can heal from just about any injury, and that's also out of character for Goku: he doesn't nornally kill people unless you make him bloodlusted for the sake of the battle. If Gojo survives one hit, he will just go "oh shit" and open his domain.
Idk, you act like Gojo needs a lot of pandering to win, but honestly you are giving Goku A LOT here. It almost feels like you treat Goku as a fighing game character that you control. Sure, if Goku starts in UI, and he immediately targets space time, and he is bloodlusted, then yeah, Goku wins. But a more fair scenario would be Goku starting in base, with no prior knowledge, and in character. Under these conditions honestly idk who would win most of the time, I can't put a number on it. It's definitely not impossible for Goku to figure out infinity before Gojo uses the domain, and he might just kill Gojo then and there even as an accident due to the AP difference, but, like, it's in no way impossible that it goes the other way around imo.
No, the damage of UV accumulates so yea if Goku got his brain fried completely he would die however if Goku just gets hit in the domain it wouldn't take him but 2 seconds to end Gojo with ease.
So Goku tries to hit Gojo. Gojo then explains his ability (in character) Goku targets space time and kills him. Idk why you're acting like since Goku won't start bloodlusted the fight becomes some "idk" scenario. Gojo has no way on earth to beat Goku because he's just too slow the ball is completely in Goku's court. If Gojo activates DE Goku can just move out the way before the barrier encloses, Goku can dodge all of Gojo's attacks. The fight seems like I'm giving Goku a lot because he has everything.
@@sixfromtokyo we've never really seen Gojo in a situation like this so it's hard to tell, but if Gojo was completely speed blitzed by someone and he also understood that the enemy could oneshot him, I severely doubt that he would go "hey, my technique is kinda cool, wanna know what it does?" like he usually does, he's gonna try to finish things quickly. The best example for this I can think of is Toji: Gojo wasn't telling him shit during the fight, he was just going straight for the kill.
Also, do domain expansions have, like, a measurable speed? 'Cause in the anime when Mahito and Dagon do it it's just like " *poof* you're in here now", it almost looks like teleportation.
Edit: all domains seem to be like this. the same goes for Sukuna for example: he goes "malevolent shrine" and a shrine appears out of nowhere, there's no "load time"
@@sanstheblaster2626Gojo & Toji done really talk to each other Toji is the one who gets right to business he doesn't really leave the time for Gojo to do that. But I think Gojo would in order to make Infinity more effective because in JJK you gotta remember saying what your technique does amplifies its effectiveness.
Domain's have a quantifiable speed you can see Mahito's expanding against Yuji & Nanami in the anime and they have to create the barrier and I doubt everyone in jjk w/ a domain is infinite speed.
@@sixfromtokyo Still don't think Gojo is gonna explain anything tho because, frankly, for the first time in his life he might just be too afraid. He has the Six Eyes, so he should be able to tell what a monster Goku is. Like, Goku can destroy the universe. To a jjk character, he should look like a straight up god.
as for domains, If that's the case then yeah Gojo is not hitting Goku. Or at least, not in a short enough time for Goku to figure out what to do. He needs to catch him off guard to do anything. Still think it's possible tho. You might think I'm shitting you, but DBS did make it canon that Goku apparently lowers his guard a lot in his fights, that it apparently happens frequently enough to be an exploitable weakness that he needs to correct, and that a fucking laser gun can take him out when he does. I honeslty hate that this is a thing, but it still happened.
"Stand proud gojo, you made me punch you once" - Mr. Satan
Is how it is with Solo leveling, One Punch man and Hellsing
"You are not strong if you just defeat weak opponents."
Honestly. Infinity isn't a barrier in itself it's like a time slower, you never can reach the inside but Goku being Goku, he'll just speed through. As for the Domain Expansion. It doesn't matter wether Goku can survive in, cause Gojo dies before activating it
Goku also has an ability that straight up ignores Infinity, Instant Transmission. He can basically just completely bypass it, and Gojo can't do anything about it. There is nothing to slow down, Goku is just not there and then suddenly there. It's the most obvious counter to it possible.
Hit: Yeah, no, Goku kicked my ass going faster than causality.
Even if Gojo’s ability worked on Goku, let’s just admit this, Goku can survive any attack Gojo throws at him! So anyone who believes Gojo can even hurt Goku, they would have to be insane to believe a mere human can even consider killing Goku. But the main factor here is truly UI! Truly a magnificent explanation video my man. Besides, everything you just said is true.
"Stand proud satoru, you made me throw a punch"
-monaka
In addition to DBS since Goku vs Hit, Goku is able to traverse space-time and dimensions ignoring any obstacles in his path.
Meaning that Goku can punch gojo directly throw dimension B even if he cant touch him on dimension A due to infinity like what happen with Hit on DBS besides even if nothing ignoring that ecentually would work after Goku punches would destroy space time since he is capable of that in "battle of gods" foword
now let's wait for the gojo vs goku without arms, without legs, with dull senses, blindfolded fight not even close
"I thought you were...... i thought,...... i thought you were stronger"💀
i have litterly said the paradox is how gojos abilitys runs and been told multiple times by gokutards that "its a paradox so it cant work hes just simplifying his ability" as if its not a fictional story abt ppl fighting embodiments of negative energy
*Throughout the Heaven and Earth, I alone am the defeated one*
Goku:wow this guy is tough he actually got me to use kaioken😮💀