Standard vs Heavy Duty | Which One Should YOU Get???
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- Can’t decide if you need a standard or heavy duty spring on your REVO, REVO-A’s, or REVO ARC’s? Chase has something to say about spring rates, and which spring may be best suited for you and your riding configuration.
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Yes! We in Australia do call em shockies, And as u rude a FLT You answered my need to know ? Thks
Had to watch this over again, background loop had me bopping. 🤘🏽
This answered my question, thank you !
Happy to help!
Great video and explanation. RK and RGS. Wife and I at 380 collectively. 110 the answer. So glad we saw your video. Thanks.
Hey @JAG11117777
Happy to help, If you are riding 80 to 100% of the time 2-up, you can really get away with a 130 spring as well, even that is softer in feel than stock suspension. Also, if you do choose a spring rate and for some reason you decide it needs a change, please reach out to service@legendsuspensions.com as well offer spring swaps as well. Cheers!
This is the content I needed to gain the clarity to ease my worries about choosing one rate or another and wishing otherwise down the road.
Detailing the geometry of a Dyna and the angle of the shocks, it sounds like HD spring rate tends to come into play a lot more easily. Now I feel less concerned going that direction, all things considered. Thank you.
Hey Jesse, Thanks for the comment. Yes in most cases on the Dyna we tend to recommend the Heavy Duty spring rate more often due to that shock angle and the leverage. We do offer spring swaps as well so you never have to worry about being stuck with something that just does not work for you.
@@LegendSuspensions I will keep all of that in mind. I recently ordered a set of 14” Legend Revo-A shocks and this information helped me in making that decision (the video on pointers for going to a 14” shock was also helpful). Stoked to install them and enjoy the benefits of a quality product.
Clarity. Thank you
You’re welcome. If you ever have any questions, please feel free to email service@legendsuspensions.com. We are happy to help.
Excellent.
I just got an '06 FLHT
Chris, Our Heavy Duty spring rate is still lighter than stock Harley, With the suspension sag set correctly on your shocks it should be smooth sailing for you. If you have ANY questions please do not hesitate to reach out to our Service Department and we will walk you through anything setup related you need.
This video was extremely helpful! I’m 290lbs on a FXDL with an aggressive riding style, my girlfriend also likes to ride with most times so the heavy duty should suit us perfectly.
Glad it helped! and Yes, it sounds like HD would be best for you.
@@LegendSuspensions huuuuge difference over stock, if anyone is second guessing that you’ll feel a difference don’t, take my word for it. Amazing amazing ride now, now its time to do my front suspension.
Feel like I wasted $1000 bucks going ARC 130HD with about 250lbs norm. Have coils cranked down to last 1/2 inch and set on 2.. just to get best I think I’ll get.
Not hearing/seeing “500lbs” when looking at buying, left me feeling fk’d.
Also, turning those springs by hand, even with lube sprayed, it’s a FKN BITCH to turn them up or down. Should just use a fkn tool.
ultra classic. The gold scraps off/in threads also.
@@OGC1970 your bottom out on the bump stop . Did you set the sag ?
I've got an FLH , I'm 200 lbs, with an aggressive riding style. Only 2 up 1/2 th time, just ordered 13" revo A Heavy duty. Now just seen this video, I hope I didn't make the wrong choice 🥴🥴👍👍
You should be good! As long as you keep a 1 inch of sag no matter the weight, the shocks will perform like they should! Here is an article talking about standard vs Heavy duty. service.legendsuspensions.com/hc/en-us/articles/360051574032-Do-I-need-Standard-or-Heavy-Duty-springs-
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Thanks!!😎😎👍👍
Legends rear, Ohlins front.
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I have a 2005 dyna low rider my factory socks ride like a tank im 320 lbs my bike bottoms out with them adjusted all the up. My girlfriend only around 140 lbs she can’t ride with me with that shock.
At a cursory glance, dyna and sportster suspensions appear similar. Do you also recommend heavy duty spring rates for sportster?
Great question, generally we do not recommend the HD spring on Sportster as often. The shock geometry on the Dyna is far more drastic and creates more leverage to compress the shocks. The Sportster is a good bit more upright and does not suffer the same leverage ratio. On a Sportster, unless you are riding 2-up often like 50% of the time or more or are regularly in the 275-300lbs range then the standard spring would be the way to go on Sportster.
ESPECIALLY if you are looking at 12" shocks as those springs have an additional 1" of preload on them from the start since the 12" and 13" springs are the same.
We hope this helps and if you need further assistance, please feel free to use our live chat on our website, or email service@legendsuspensions.com or you can always check in with a local motorcycle shop in your area.
Thank you.
Only thing I hate about my Revo A for my soft tail is the increased fender gap.
Depending on the length you have and where your suspension sag is set, you can alter this a bit. You can run up to 1-1/4" sag on the Mono shock Softails.
If you have any questions on that please email service@legendsuspensions.com.
This video is 3 years old. What happened to the monoshock for softail? I have a 2018 FLSL, and I weigh 270 and ride solo 80% of the time. P.S. working on my weight.
Hey there, we currently have several mono shock Softail options.
12.5" 13" and 13.5" models all in standard or heavy-duty spring rates.
Standard spring rates are normally good to 350lbs, but we often recommend HD spring rate for spirited riding, any 2-up riding or if you carry extra weight so you do not have to add as much preload.
If you have any additional questions, please feel free to email service@legendsuspensions.com and we would be happy to help.
Haven’t personally ridden with legend suspension because I’m skeptical. Seen allot of people run it! I’m 280, wife’s 180 on a Dyna low rider. Looking at 14 inch shocks. She only rides about 20/30 percent of the time the rest of the time it’s balls to the wall riding. What do you offer?
Hey Justin, Thank you for the comment.
We offer the Revo, Revo-A or Revo-ARC (Piggyback) all in 14" for the Dyna Low Rider depending on the year.
On the Dyna due to the shock angle, we recommend the Heavy-Duty spring rate on this application, especially if you are riding 2-up sometimes.
The Revo-ARC will have adjustable compression and rebound.
The Revo-A will have adjustable rebound.
The Revo will have a fixed Rebound setting on setting 3 which is a great middle ground for comfort and performance.
If you are riding really aggressive, we recommend the Revo-ARC Piggyback! but the Revo-A will do the trick for you as well.
We would be happy to help you with any other details as well, please feel free to try our chat feature on Legendsuspensions.com website, we can call you if needed, or you can email service@legendsuspensions.com, both the chat and email are viewed by Legend techs.
Thank you.
98 dyna with me "203lb with all my gear on," but I have canvas tent, back pack, small camp stove kit, and cooler. Would you recommend the HD spring for that, too?
Hi there,
100% you should go with Heavy Duty springs on this setup. Even without all of the extra gear we would still say HD springs on the Dyna.
HI guys. Looking to get a REVO A for my 2020 softail slim. I weight 200, and plan to do 2 up, around 30-40% of the time with perhaps light packing. Should i go standard or heavy duty?
Yes
What about a sportster converted to touring + heavy rider riding solo 50% and the other 50% 2 up with luggage . Can I get a HD spring rate and then not need to set sag and preload ?
KT, If you want to not have to adjust the sag on your shocks you could run the HD spring rate and then adjust the preload for the heaviest weight you will have on the bike, but then when you remove the passenger or other weight the spring might be a little firm since it does not know the weight is not on the bike unless you tell it. But you technically could get your sag with that full weight then essentially be good to go, other than it might not ride optimal under all the time, but We think you could find a good happy medium. Most folks do.
Im 290ish on a ultra mostly solo with some gear somewhat aggressive then the road allows it. Could I get away with the hd or go down to the standard on a revo a?
Hello Brad, on the ultra we would recommend sticking to the 13 length that comes stock on the bike and yes you could get away with an HD spring rate, the preload can be adjusted up or down to reach your desired suspension sag. If you were looking to switch to a 12" shock for any reason, then we would recommend a standard spring rate.
You also, always have the option to spring swap at any time as well if your riding changed.
If you do decide to add a passenger or even additional gear on a trip the HD spring rate will serve you well.
There isn't a wild amount of difference between the 110 standard, or 130 Heavy Duty spring rate and the HD spring is preferred by many different riders depending on preference.
If you need any additional assistance you can check with a local shop, OR we do offer a live chat feature on our website to speak directly with a Legend Customer Service Rep. Or please email service@legendsuspensions.com. Thank you.
Legends Offer several different spring rates?? What were all the rates?? I only hear you guys talk about only 2 in all the videos I've seen. What spring rate would be recommended to dial in the best ride on a 12" Revo A, for 150# total load on a FLH model? On my 2021 street glide, and 12" Ohlin HD-039, the springs are marked 885, and I have those back up (softened) to the 2 final threads so I'm wondering about these 110 springs you call standard.. I fear I will not be able to reach 1/2 inch sag with them. These Revo A's I'm going to try are going on my 2020 Road King. I've already modified the front suspension on both the bikes
Hello, we do offer the 110 spring and we use a longer and lighter spring rate than just about anyone else so it does handle quite a light rider or weight, however we do offer a 90# spring, this is for light riders who maybe cannot get the sag set with the 110 springs. Legend Suspensions is distributed through Drag Specialties, and they carry the 110 and 130 HD spring. the 90# spring would need to be put on directly with Legend Suspensions. If you have a set of shocks and need this 90# spring, please email service@legendsuspensions.com or use our chat feature and a Customer Service Tech would be more than happy to help you get this done. We do recommend trying the 110 and reducing preload to see if the 110 will work for you, before switching to 90#.
Thank you.
@@LegendSuspensions Ok thanks for the reply, and I think was right advice, and for those that are in the same boat as I, and wondering.. I put the 12" Revo A's, adjusted to the last 2-3 threads, on my 2020 Road King (No extra weight on the bike), and after dropping the bike off the jack, I did get 1/4" sag, and then with my 140# weight in the seat, I got another 1/4 sag.. all seems to be good with the 110 spring, though I haven't tried the ride out yet.. I'll be comparing with base 12" Ohlins and 13" Bitubo twin adjustable (which I used with 1" lowering blocks)
I’m 175lbs and I’m getting into stunt riding and I have an fxdx I wanna go with 14” arc’s I assume just got with 110 spring rate
Generally, on a Dyna for this kind of riding and most uses the HD spring rate is recommended. The Dyna's have a steep shocks geometry, and this gives the rider a lot of leverage on the shocks to compress them easier.
You can sure go with 110's and if for some reason you needed to, they can be swapped.
But if you are riding super aggressive and or possibly 2-up at all. HD spring rate is what we recommend.
@@LegendSuspensions Will the ones with the reservoir fit on FXR with leather pro bags in your opinion? Thanks
How do I decide to get the shocks with reservoirs or without?
That is a great question.
A lot of it will boil down to personal preference.
The main things the Revo-ARC will offer over the Revo-A are.
13" Revo-A has 3" of travel where the 13" Revo-ARC will have 3.5" so you get additional travel and, on a bike, where you do not get a lot of travel to begin with, anytime you can add it, it does help.
The Revo-A will have a 6-position rebound adjuster.
Revo-ARC will have 7.
Revo-ARC will also have 7 positions of compression adjustment.
Those additional ARC features really allow you a larger range of adjustment and to be a bit pickier when it comes to the settings you like.
The Revo or Revo-A will 9 times out of 10 be absolutely all you need and will far outperform your expectations.
The Revo-ARC, if you like the looks, like the additional adjustment, or feel you are a bit picky with how you want your bike to ride.
We hope this answers your questions, if you need additional help, please feel free to email service@legendsuspensions.com with any questions or check in with your local shop as they might have both in stock for you to look at and give you some other customer feedback.
I'm 320lbs, I only ride solo, my bike is a 2013 Harley SG with factory standard hard bags, what shocks do you recommend
The Revo, Revo-A and Revo-ARC are all great options and can be considered direct replacements for you. If you want a straight up great replacement, way more comfortable shock that can be set and not really touched again, the Revo is great, if you think a little bit of adjustment range would be nice for different days of riding from cruising to canyons, the Revo-A is a great option. The Revo-ARC will give more travel, as well and compression and rebound adjustment, a lot of times it comes down to what level of comfort and performance you want or need, what level of adjustment do you like.
The 13" Revo-A is hands down the fan favorite shock. at 320 you could honestly go either way and have the Standard spring rate or the Heavy Duty spring rate, they will both work perfectly, If you really do not add a lot of weight to the bike other than you and some gear, the 110 Standard is great. If you plan to load heavy like 100 lbs or more than the HD spring would be nice for you. We offer spring rate changes at any point should your riding change, we even offer length conversions as well so you will never be stuck with something that just does not work for you.
@@LegendSuspensions forgot to mention, that my inseam is 26 inches 😳
@@LegendSuspensions my bike frame has to be nearly touching the ground "(
Hi and what if i’m solo 200lbs + sometimes i pull a trailer ?
Hey Martin, we are going to have a little more information to give you the best answer for this. Would you please email service@legendsuspensions.com and we would love to help you get set up. Thanks!
What about Sportsters?
330 an 140 wat should the shock b set at
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Hi I'm 276 LB and I'm riding a sportster iron 883 2014 and my standard suspension is not doing the trick I'm looking forward buying REVO-A suspension but don't know if I need SD or HD suspension, hope you can help me out!
Hey there thanks for reaching out! We can definitely help you out! Email service@legendsuspensions.com and we'll get you taken care of.
You could be 98lbs and that suspension wouldn’t do the trick. Not sure why HD still puts trash suspensions on most of these bikes. I went standard on my 07 sportster. 235lb and works a lot better.
Did you end up going with SD or HD?
Wat is the weight capacity of two people
Standard spring rate you can run to right about 450-500lbs We recommend if you are 450-500lbs 50% of the time or more to go with HD Heavy Duty springs. Those will take you to Max GVW of the bike.
We always have spring swaps as an option as well so you will never end up with something that does not work for you!
What about trikes
Hey Dan, for the Tri-Glide and Freewheeler we offer several coil and air shock options. Coil shocks come standard with Heavy Duty spring rate for the additional weight of the machine. This spring rate on the Trike really handles a wide range of rider, passenger and gear. If you would like any additional information on this, we would be happy to help. We have a chat feature on our site as well as Service@legendsuspensions.com Thank you.
Wat is spring rate
Eugene, Spring rate refers to the weight limit on a spring and how much weight it takes to compress that spring and the style of spring it is.
We offer a standard and Heavy Duty spring rate, we offer guidelines on what spring rate works best for your application on our website, or you can contact us through the Chat feature on our site and we would be more than happy to help you.
So I’m 200lbs and I occasionally ride wit chicks 140 to 160lbs is standard fine ?
@mattflores You will be just fine with a standard spring rate. Just make sure if you are running max suspension sag and add a passenger than you adjust the preload on the springs to account for the added weight, or run the preload at less than max so when you do have a passenger you both do not push the shocks outside the max range.
I have a 2005 dyna low rider my factory socks ride like a tank im 320 lbs my bike bottoms out with them adjusted all the up. My girlfriend only around 140 lbs she can’t ride with me with that shock.