Thanks for the video. I fiiinally understand how this bell pattern fits in a 12/8 rhythm. Appreciate you teaching the theory underlying it, because when I get lost now I just play 1, 3, 5 of the 12/8 rhythm and I'm back in. 👍
Also, and this is my personal opinion, I like way better and it is easier for me to get when a learning music video begins with the part to learn. Straight to it, no introduction, no talking, just cut to the chase and then slow it down and talk. Just like you did on this video.
I kept getting lost in this pattern. The way I have heard it explained before is adding more beats to the Rumba clave but I am familiar with it in 4/4 timing because I am a Salsa dancer. So hearing it in the triplets or 1 ti ta-12/8 format made me loose the rhythm. When you pointed out the 1 and the 4 kept me in time and now I hear that las 4 and the pickup beat before the 1. This has been really helpful. Im still a little confused on the cascara pattern and how it differs from this one. I know the cascara like this starting on 2/3 clave as "I like Co-fe /and cake and ice-cream and-."
I hope I'm not presumptuous by saying I could play the basic rhythm for the next 10 years but will never be able to count the poly rhythms no matter how hard I try 1) am old (73) and came to conga drumming back in 2001. Enjoyed drumming with that teacher even though I wanted to play the djembe and the darbouka. The instructor moved to Mexico; I continued drumming without an instructor just because the two I checked out had different goals for me than I did. Here I'll interject that I trained, rode, showed horses for nearly 50 yrs. The rhythm in riding wa a what led me to drumming in my non-horse life. Jumping back (no pun intended), led me to explore aspects of my spirituality and eventually to some drum circles where I knew I could play the claves or similar. So I noodled around for about 10 years then decided to sell the drum. However once in my affordable digs in Napa, I started doing the tapping thing again so I decided to get a "beater" drum and give it a try. Well in the ensuing years the thing called TH-cam came to fore and was off and running. So long story short, can't really drive anymore but still love to drum and also noticed some online drum circles to try out. How did the riding thing lead to drumming? You really learn to control the horse's movement through your body including the tempo and rhythm of their gaits. I can't even dig it out of me it's so ingrained with my
Thanks. Great. I guess the most natural feel of this is to base it on a 3 against 2 rhythm. One idea is to practice 3 against 2 in for example tempo 30 and practice subdivisions on 3 and five. Maybe the fastest way to establish the feel of it. Also to practice the polyrhythm 4 against 3 with sub divisions really shakes the brain practicing sub divisions in 4 and 5. Also maybe the 3 against 2 rhythm i something different from 6/8 and 12/8. LIke an own meter. Having a groove in 3 against to and switching over to 12/8 I guess is going from Afrocuba to (prog)bluesrock. It can be a kick ass transition.
It would really help if you actually counted whyle clapping the rhythm instead of just making the peep-peep sound. As it is i get exactly what you're saying when you explain the counting and the 3:2 poly rhythm but not how you're implementing it...... perhaps if you put up a pic of it written out? that would help.
No, 12/8. You could think of it as 4 quarter notes with triplet subdivisions, and 6/8 could be understood as 2/4 with triplet subdivision. That said, the pattern when played in actual music is never really played with the triplet phrasing. You'd be better just listening to the style and emulating the rhythm and sound that the percussionists actually play. The only music you'll find actual triplets or 6/8 ,12/8 is in classical music like Beethoven (except when people play the rhythm/phrasing wrong). Most commentary / descriptions of reality fail... Like a finger pointing to the moon, do not concentrate on the finger or you'll miss all the heavenly glory.
I've been playing jembe for years, and after watching you explain this I have no idea how to play it. You must realize just writing it down so we can see how the tones fall would be far better than words and sounds alone. I found a notation for it and literally had it in 30 seconds. You're making it way more complicated than it is.
Thanks!
Thanks for the video. I fiiinally understand how this bell pattern fits in a 12/8 rhythm. Appreciate you teaching the theory underlying it, because when I get lost now I just play 1, 3, 5 of the 12/8 rhythm and I'm back in. 👍
you nailed it man best technical explanation ive heard on youtube
Also, and this is my personal opinion, I like way better and it is easier for me to get when a learning music video begins with the part to learn. Straight to it, no introduction, no talking, just cut to the chase and then slow it down and talk. Just like you did on this video.
Great. Comment. Thank you!
I find this so easy. I feel blessed
You' are such an awesome teacher!!!!
I kept getting lost in this pattern. The way I have heard it explained before is adding more beats to the Rumba clave but I am familiar with it in 4/4 timing because I am a Salsa dancer. So hearing it in the triplets or 1 ti ta-12/8 format made me loose the rhythm. When you pointed out the 1 and the 4 kept me in time and now I hear that las 4 and the pickup beat before the 1. This has been really helpful. Im still a little confused on the cascara pattern and how it differs from this one. I know the cascara like this starting on 2/3 clave as "I like Co-fe /and cake and ice-cream and-."
I hope I'm not presumptuous by saying I could play the basic rhythm for the next 10 years but will never be able to count the poly rhythms no matter how hard I try
1) am old (73) and came to conga drumming back in 2001. Enjoyed drumming with that teacher even though I wanted to play the djembe and the darbouka. The instructor moved to Mexico; I continued drumming without an instructor just because the two I checked out had different goals for me than I did. Here I'll interject that I trained, rode, showed horses for nearly 50 yrs. The rhythm in riding wa a what led me to drumming in my non-horse life.
Jumping back (no pun intended), led me to explore aspects of my spirituality and eventually to some drum circles where I knew I could play the claves or similar. So I noodled around for about 10 years then decided to sell the drum.
However once in my affordable digs in Napa, I started doing the tapping thing again so I decided to get a "beater" drum and give it a try. Well in the ensuing years the thing called TH-cam came to fore and was off and running. So long story short, can't really drive anymore but still love to drum and also noticed some online drum circles to try out. How did the riding thing lead to drumming? You really learn to control the horse's movement through your body including the tempo and rhythm of their gaits. I can't even dig it out of me it's so ingrained with my
sense of self.
Phil Collins's "Colours" (live drumming by Chester Thompson) brought me here. This makes a lot more sense now.
Thanks. Great. I guess the most natural feel of this is to base it on a 3 against 2 rhythm. One idea is to practice 3 against 2 in for example tempo 30 and practice subdivisions on 3 and five. Maybe the fastest way to establish the feel of it. Also to practice the polyrhythm 4 against 3 with sub divisions really shakes the brain practicing sub divisions in 4 and 5. Also maybe the 3 against 2 rhythm i something different from 6/8 and 12/8. LIke an own meter. Having a groove in 3 against to and switching over to 12/8 I guess is going from Afrocuba to (prog)bluesrock. It can be a kick ass transition.
Great teacher 👌🖖✌🏾
it is simpler than what it looks like but until you get it... damn is interesting. Thanks a lot for showing us this patter ;)
gracias
It would really help if you actually counted whyle clapping the rhythm instead of just making the peep-peep sound. As it is i get exactly what you're saying when you explain the counting and the 3:2 poly rhythm but not how you're implementing it...... perhaps if you put up a pic of it written out? that would help.
Gracias!
Isnt this basically a 6/8 rhythm
No, 12/8. You could think of it as 4 quarter notes with triplet subdivisions, and 6/8 could be understood as 2/4 with triplet subdivision.
That said, the pattern when played in actual music is never really played with the triplet phrasing. You'd be better just listening to the style and emulating the rhythm and sound that the percussionists actually play. The only music you'll find actual triplets or 6/8 ,12/8 is in classical music like Beethoven (except when people play the rhythm/phrasing wrong). Most commentary / descriptions of reality fail... Like a finger pointing to the moon, do not concentrate on the finger or you'll miss all the heavenly glory.
@@chrisscott6417 that said, I think you should calm down
Anyhow, I'll pretend it's OK for an oldie just to do some stuff and if it matches your rhythm it's OK!
too fast to catch the beat. if it is done slowly, successfully, I can later do it fast and accurate. thank you
Replay the vid after slowing down the playback of it
sesh lads
Lol what
@@davidgibb4551 yes
I've been playing jembe for years, and after watching you explain this I have no idea how to play it. You must realize just writing it down so we can see how the tones fall would be far better than words and sounds alone. I found a notation for it and literally had it in 30 seconds. You're making it way more complicated than it is.
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