It is hard to find videos that show all the beats in a single video without pointless blabbing and lesson promotions. Thank you. This video cuts the bullshit and gets to the point thanks!
@drummercouk Hi, the Tambu and the Tonada are the same rhytmn in ur video. I am from Curacao and the rhytmn for tambu should be: X - X - O - - X - O - - . X=closed tone, O= open tone
This is an ancient African musical instrument, rhythm and pattern still used in African music today in Africa as well as by descendants of Africa today in music. The sound is the sound of Africa with the exact same pattern. It does not have Latin origin and is rather one of many “African Rhythm” introduced to Latin culture by Afro-Latinos. We have Africans in many cultures across the globe sharing the sound of Africa. You will hear this music and rhythm sound in servers cultures outside of Latin for that reason. Everybody give a shout out TO AFRICA. Listen to Afro Beat Music, Afro Dance Music, Nigerian Music, Angola Music, Uganda Music, Ghana Music, and more (all in Africa) and you will find this instrument rhythm and same rhythm pattern and sound not even changed. Latin culture has Afro-Latino to thank for introducing the sound to the culture (Afro-Dominican, Afro-Puerto Rican, Afro-Brazilian, Afro-Cuban) but that doesn’t make it Latin. It’s still an African instrument and music by very ancient origin. The instrument and rhythm sound is new to Latin culture, but not to Africa and it’s people by African descent. It’s passed down generation to generation and remains The Sound of African.
Worldwide Worldwide I love your passion. Of course, as always Our roots began in Africa”. Hope you enjoyed the vid. You’d love the book. I have a section on this very attitude - rhythms seen as Sacred & Profane.
Yeah and in Borborbor music from Ghana, they use British trumpets. Does that mean it's not African music anymore? At a certain point, you have to lay off the pedantry. It's music, and it will be called many things by many people.
Thanks! good video. I'm drum student and from interest in rock i went to interest in funk then to jazz and now i find i really like the african rhythms. By seeing them written is evident that most of them are based in just one fundamental pattern that is getting displaced.
@fnkdrmmr Thank you! Your comment is very appreciated. I don't agree with your idea that Clarke "gave" the "clave triplet rhythm" to the world. But he was, I agree, very influential with his ride playing. I like that you picked up on the influences that the Afro patterns have given to contemporary styles of music. I arranged the patterns to emphasise that. It's via those that I got to African music.
Thank you for taking the time to post the different African rhythms. As shown with the last rhythm, Jazz, which was the clave triplet rhythm Kenny Clark gave to the Jazz world. Also, most of the rhythms you played can be found in all the drum styles in America such as; Funk, Blues, R 'n B, Hip-Hop and even Rock 'n Roll. Thank you again.
This is great! It is so helpful to have so many patterns 'side by side' to compare, especially with the notation. Should you ever wish to do this again, it would help to have the tempo a touch slower and allow each pattern to go longer (maybe 8 cycles). Would also recommend a low sound (kick pedal on a low conga??) to keep the pulse. Loved it anyway, and will be referring back to it a lot. Thanks for making it.
I noticed that you have yanvalou listed as Haiti/Benin. You are the first person I have come across that got that connection, do you mind me asking what reference materials you used for these patterns?
@drummercouk Thank you 4 ur response. U should speak to some old "Black" jazz drummers. - if they r still alive. Also, If they r knowledgeable about Jazz history, they should know about when Kenny Clark conveyed that rhythm 2 the Jazz public. I was fortunate 2 have studied w/an "older" Jazz drummer who played during Harlem's "renaissance" period around the 1940's & 1950s. Please note, I not saying it didn't exist during & before Kenny Clarke, but simply not here in the U.S.(cont.)
Surely it depends on the time signature? I was thinking 4/4 with 1/4 note triplets. In 12/8 it would need a dotted 1/4 note I think. There are plenty in my new book Beats Exotiques would you be interested? Released Mar/Apr 2019 Beats-Exotiques.com
you won't find it it any one book. Just listen to a bunch of music from the style you are interested in and pick out different patterns, voicings, variations. Much more fun than reading
Does anyone know what type of 6/8 or 12/8 Clave is used in the song Shekini by the Nigerian duo PSquare? Is the beat identifiable from any of this list?
The Shekini rhythm is actually another form of Yoruba rhythm from the clip. If you listen to the down beat in the video, you could hear the signature rhythm of the Yoruba pattern. It could be quite difficult to figure out because Cowbell wasn't used in the Psqaure video, but if you give it a try u should get it
some of the claps actually follow the Yoruba rhythm, while others just follow the eight tones pattern.. as in 6/8 rhythm. For instance if u listen to the beat at 2:10 - 2:25 during the bridge, you would hear some low tones of claps and beats that seem to be playing underground alongside the main pattern. You might have to listen a couple of times due to the sound effects and stuff going on in the music
@drummercouk (Cont).I'm sure that that rhythm existed in music in countries like Cuba, and the host of other Caribbean and South American countries, but I'm really discussing the evolution of Jazz music. Nonetheless, your upload was informative.
@@drummercouk but what is the pattern? I’ll buy the book, I got a last minute gig and a song requires cowbell. Why are some good patterns for following 4/4
Please tell me what book has this information or more information on this? I have spent so much money on "latin drumming" book looking for a comprehensive collection of all rhythms of African roots and they are all always very incomplete!!!
@Drumtapp84 Well, as they are in four groups of three here perhaps count them as 6 with "and" in between: 1&2&3&4&5&6&. So Yoruba, for example, could be counted ONE and TWO and THREE AND four AND five AND SIX and. (Caps = played notes) Hope that helps. Let me know how you get on?
I'm wondering if there are mistakes in this video. ....There are at least two rhythms in this video which are the same, but you give them different names and places of origin. For example: your Yanvalou and Mahi are the same rhythm with different names; same with your Tambu and Tonada. A commenter from Curaçao states that your Tambu rhythm is incorrect. Can you leave a note here in the comments to clear that up? Maybe pin it?
The pattern repetition is to show how rhythms have moved around the world. The tambu is correct as far as I know and the comment was pleased it was included. Many more examples at beats-exotiques.com
Awesome video! Really clear and helpful! Any chance you can point me to a list of the notations you have on screen during both your afro bell pattern vids? Cheers
This is a great start, but there is some misinformation or generalizations here. Soli comes from Guinea, sorsonet has 3 bell patterns, kenkeni is the name of a drum/bell, not a rhythm ... there may be inconsistencies in other parts but my main area of experience is with Guinean/w african music
+Jonah Martinez OK i understand what your saying. These are simple to play by ear but i don't no how to read the XOXO marks. I'm guessing each X(hit) is a quarter note and each O(rest) is a quarter note
Quintin Penola No, each X is not the quarter note. Each of these are different patterns, so the X is not the quarter note. The X is the one being hit, and the O is a rest. What he is playing on the foot is the quarter note, which may or may not overlap with an X. Count the number of letters. 12, right? When these 12 letters are 8th notes, we can count as 12/8, which is lines up perfectly with 4/4 by giving each quarter note 3 8th notes. OR we can count it as 6/8. If something is in 6/8, we are counting the 8th note as the main beat, not the quarter note. In this case, each of the 12 notes is not an 8th note as it would be when counting 12/8 or 4/4. So, when the quarter note is played over the 6/8, it creates a 4 over 6 polyrhythm, and vice versa. It would be like this: (1*) 2 (3) 4* (5) 6 (7*) 8 (9) 10* (11) 12 Each note in parenthesis is an 8th note, those without are 16ths notes, and those with a star is the imposed 4/4. Figuring out how to read the X's and O's is pretty simple. Find a metronome online, set it to 90, tap your foot to it, then begin to count 1 2 3 4. Now say out loud, while keeping the foot the same, 1 and uh 2 and uh 3 and uh 4 and uh. This is the 12/8 and 4/4 I was talking about. Now, while keeping the foot the same yet, say out loud 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 and 6 and. You count the same 12 notes at the same speed, but it creates the 6/8 feel.
Quintin Penola If you can tap with your foot and say these two different things out loud, you'll be able to recognize the relationship between what you count and what is on the screen in X's and O'x.
Perhaps then count 6/8 as 1&2&3&4&5&6&. 12/8 as 1&a2&a3&a4&a. But counting 6/8 in this way won't work in all cases. Horses for courses you could say...
No, definitely not !! 6/8 or 12/8 rythms should always be counted 1+a2+a3+a4+a ; it is not the main division (pulses, binairy) but the subdivision (ternary) which makes the rythms feel the way they do. If you play quinto cross rythm, you can play binary cross rythm on ternary rumba and vice-versa. If you count them the way you propose, good luck playing quinto ;-) Have a look at "The clave matrix" and "Rumba quinto" of David Penalosa, excellent (almost academic) writings on the topic.
It’s slightly absurd that each one of this tiny variations on a rhythm have their own name, and are I guess... cultural touchstones from various regions of the earth? Like, my group is the shuffle group. Called the johnny. oh well mine is the slightly more spaced shuffle. Called the Jimmy. Oh well mine is a straight 8th called a Tommy. Well mine is no beat at all, called a Timmy. I get that if you’re teaching these rhythms, it would be mildly useful to have a quick vocab to discern between these minute differences, it just seems weird to name them all and collect them and more their place of cultural importance. I imagine some tweaked out cave man clacked all of these rhythms on a log somewhere hundreds of thousands of years ago, as a child tapping a pen today would. Should they name them though is the question.
There’s nearly 900 of these rhythms in my book Beats Exotiques 😁. It’s useful to have names for them in the same way we have names for songs. It helps communicate. And some of them are not unique to the country but spread around the world from Africa with the slave trade to the new world. They leave a rhythmic footprint as they go. It’s fascinating. If you’re like me - a Beat Geek 🤓
It is hard to find videos that show all the beats in a single video without pointless blabbing and lesson promotions. Thank you. This video cuts the bullshit and gets to the point thanks!
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THIS IS REALLY USEFUL MAN!!!! DO NOT TAKE IT OUT PLEASE LEAVE IT ON!!!!!! THIS IS GOLD
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we had used this video as an example for my jazz band a few years ago and it was really helpful! glad i found it again. good work.
Cool. Thanks for letting me know!
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Bembe / Short bell 0:04
Yoruba 0:18
Soli 0:29
Tambu 0:42
Bembe 2 0:50
Tonada 1:04
Aasadua 1:14
Sorsonet/ Sarsonet 1:26
Bemba 1:37
Ashanti 1:49
Yanvalou / Long bell 2:00
Bahavento 2:11
Mahi / Long bell 2:19
Soli 2 / Shuffle 2:29
Fume-fume 2:39
Kenkeni 2:51
Djabara 3:03
Bikutsi 3:13
Jazz swing 3:24
Fabulous, @drummercouk! Here, they are with hot links:
Bembe / Short bell @0:04
Yoruba @0:18
Soli @0:29
Tambu @0:42
Bembe 2 @0:53
Tonada @1:04
Aasadua @1:16
Sorsonet/ Sarsonet @1:26
Bemba @1:38
Ashanti @1:49
Yanvalou / Long bell @2:00
Bahavento @2:12
Mahi / Long bell @2:20
Soli 2 / Shuffle @2:29
Fume-fume @2:39
Kenkeni @2:51
Djabara @3:03
Bikutsi @3:14
Jazz swing @3:25
@drummercouk
Hi, the Tambu and the Tonada are the same rhytmn in ur video. I am from Curacao and the rhytmn for tambu should be: X - X - O - - X - O - - . X=closed tone, O= open tone
@@nealmcb You are a prince among men.
This is an ancient African musical instrument, rhythm and pattern still used in African music today in Africa as well as by descendants of Africa today in music. The sound is the sound of Africa with the exact same pattern. It does not have Latin origin and is rather one of many “African Rhythm” introduced to Latin culture by Afro-Latinos. We have Africans in many cultures across the globe sharing the sound of Africa. You will hear this music and rhythm sound in servers cultures outside of Latin for that reason. Everybody give a shout out TO AFRICA. Listen to Afro Beat Music, Afro Dance Music, Nigerian Music, Angola Music, Uganda Music, Ghana Music, and more (all in Africa) and you will find this instrument rhythm and same rhythm pattern and sound not even changed. Latin culture has Afro-Latino to thank for introducing the sound to the culture (Afro-Dominican, Afro-Puerto Rican, Afro-Brazilian, Afro-Cuban) but that doesn’t make it Latin. It’s still an African instrument and music by very ancient origin. The instrument and rhythm sound is new to Latin culture, but not to Africa and it’s people by African descent. It’s passed down generation to generation and remains The Sound of African.
Worldwide Worldwide I love your passion. Of course, as always Our roots began in Africa”. Hope you enjoyed the vid. You’d love the book. I have a section on this very attitude - rhythms seen as Sacred & Profane.
Are you African? What do you know about music?
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Yeah and in Borborbor music from Ghana, they use British trumpets. Does that mean it's not African music anymore? At a certain point, you have to lay off the pedantry. It's music, and it will be called many things by many people.
Thank you for this concise video 🙏
I love how the downbeat and the bell pattern is enough to make me dance
nice to see all these patterns in one place!
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@@drummercouk looks good, I'll check it out.
Thanks! good video. I'm drum student and from interest in rock i went to interest in funk then to jazz and now i find i really like the african rhythms. By seeing them written is evident that most of them are based in just one fundamental pattern that is getting displaced.
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soli is such a nice pattern
Best video about 6/8 rhythms
Wow you have all of the rhythms of the world here. Afro-Brazilian is like trance EDM. Every rhythm is inspirational.
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It is very super helpful to learn beat !! Just do it!!
Glad to hear that!
I have watched this video many times, very educational. Thank You!
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I think this video is very interesting, thanks for sharing
Thank you for your comment!
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Amazing!!! Thanks so much. @drv30 hit the nail on the head - none of that useless drivel!
@fnkdrmmr Thank you! Your comment is very appreciated. I don't agree with your idea that Clarke "gave" the "clave triplet rhythm" to the world. But he was, I agree, very influential with his ride playing. I like that you picked up on the influences that the Afro patterns have given to contemporary styles of music. I arranged the patterns to emphasise that. It's via those that I got to African music.
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Thank you for taking the time to post the different African rhythms. As shown with the last rhythm, Jazz, which was the clave triplet rhythm Kenny Clark gave to the Jazz world. Also, most of the rhythms you played can be found in all the drum styles in America such as; Funk, Blues, R 'n B, Hip-Hop and even Rock 'n Roll. Thank you again.
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astonishing player! Thx a lot for publishing!
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goldmine of knowledge. thank you!
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Как можно такое отличать? Музыканты вы особые личности❤
This is great! It is so helpful to have so many patterns 'side by side' to compare, especially with the notation. Should you ever wish to do this again, it would help to have the tempo a touch slower and allow each pattern to go longer (maybe 8 cycles). Would also recommend a low sound (kick pedal on a low conga??) to keep the pulse. Loved it anyway, and will be referring back to it a lot. Thanks for making it.
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SUPER HELPFUL, great posts! Thanks so much for sharing and concisely editing these together, can't wait to apply these to guitar!
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Great video 😊👍
Parabéns pela explicação!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏
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Just need to be done, gracias
Freakin' amazing!
I noticed that you have yanvalou listed as Haiti/Benin. You are the first person I have come across that got that connection, do you mind me asking what reference materials you used for these patterns?
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@drummercouk Thank you 4 ur response. U should speak to some old "Black" jazz drummers. - if they r still alive. Also, If they r knowledgeable about Jazz history, they should know about when Kenny Clark conveyed that rhythm 2 the Jazz public. I was fortunate 2 have studied w/an "older" Jazz drummer who played during Harlem's "renaissance" period around the 1940's & 1950s. Please note, I not saying it didn't exist during & before Kenny Clarke, but simply not here in the U.S.(cont.)
Extremely good!
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@derbeno search for "A Comparison of Rhythmic Dissimilarity Measures" it's mentioned in that.
Wonderful, but the commentary should say you are tapping dotted quarter notes! I'm showing this to my students at Berklee for an example. Thanks :)
Surely it depends on the time signature? I was thinking 4/4 with 1/4 note triplets. In 12/8 it would need a dotted 1/4 note I think. There are plenty in my new book Beats Exotiques would you be interested? Released Mar/Apr 2019 Beats-Exotiques.com
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you won't find it it any one book. Just listen to a bunch of music from the style you are interested in and pick out different patterns, voicings, variations. Much more fun than reading
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So Brilliant Sir!
Thanks a lot for this video; very useful :)
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I Love this video, very usefull for my students. Who is the musicien?
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Muito bom trabalho, contudo, a clave do " Barravento", aqui no Brasil, se aproxima mais da clave que o senhor demonstrou logo em seguida àquele!
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Great stuff, brother! Thank you for sharing.
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don't bother counting them just feel them and remember them much easier to understand
Thanks. As a matter of interest how did you run into Tambu. I am from Curacao and it's not all that wel known. Great you put it up. Cheers
There you are! I thought your TH-cam name tag looked familiar. Haha!
It's funny that you, Jon and I are checking out some of the same videos.
I'm glad that you posted the vid from the 2014 carnaval
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Yanvalou and Mahi is the same. Tambú and Tonada is also the same. Great video anyway, thanks a lot.
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Very instructional thanks for these!
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Great vid, thanks for that!
I noticed that Tambú and Tornada are the same!
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Very nice ❤👍👍
Does anyone know what type of 6/8 or 12/8 Clave is used in the song Shekini by the Nigerian duo PSquare? Is the beat identifiable from any of this list?
The Shekini rhythm is actually another form of Yoruba rhythm from the clip. If you listen to the down beat in the video, you could hear the signature rhythm of the Yoruba pattern. It could be quite difficult to figure out because Cowbell wasn't used in the Psqaure video, but if you give it a try u should get it
@@tosinpamilerin Thank you very much for your response! 🙌🏼 I assume the claps/percussion in Shekini are also playing the Yoruba rythym?
some of the claps actually follow the Yoruba rhythm, while others just follow the eight tones pattern.. as in 6/8 rhythm. For instance if u listen to the beat at 2:10 - 2:25 during the bridge, you would hear some low tones of claps and beats that seem to be playing underground alongside the main pattern. You might have to listen a couple of times due to the sound effects and stuff going on in the music
Ouff what a memory you have
nadaadecirr I'm reading the patterns.
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@drummercouk (Cont).I'm sure that that rhythm existed in music in countries like Cuba, and the host of other Caribbean and South American countries, but I'm really discussing the evolution of Jazz music. Nonetheless, your upload was informative.
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Awesome just awesome !!!
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What kind of cowbell rhythm is on I’m a man by Chicago? I wonder if you’d know the answer.
The woodblock plays a 2:3 bossa nova rhythm. The cowbell is playing an altered Cuban rhythm (which is in my new book!)
@@drummercouk but what is the pattern? I’ll buy the book, I got a last minute gig and a song requires cowbell. Why are some good patterns for following 4/4
EXCELLENT!!!
Wonderful
AMAZING
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Please tell me what book has this information or more information on this? I have spent so much money on "latin drumming" book looking for a comprehensive collection of all rhythms of African roots and they are all always very incomplete!!!
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Very cool!
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Was this a send up of jazz swing ? 🤭 Only joking - excellent demo - thank you.
@Drumtapp84 Well, as they are in four groups of three here perhaps count them as 6 with "and" in between: 1&2&3&4&5&6&.
So Yoruba, for example, could be counted ONE and TWO and THREE AND four AND five AND SIX and. (Caps = played notes)
Hope that helps. Let me know how you get on?
I'm wondering if there are mistakes in this video. ....There are at least two rhythms in this video which are the same, but you give them different names and places of origin. For example: your Yanvalou and Mahi are the same rhythm with different names; same with your Tambu and Tonada. A commenter from Curaçao states that your Tambu rhythm is incorrect. Can you leave a note here in the comments to clear that up? Maybe pin it?
The pattern repetition is to show how rhythms have moved around the world.
The tambu is correct as far as I know and the comment was pleased it was included.
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Awesome video! Really clear and helpful! Any chance you can point me to a list of the notations you have on screen during both your afro bell pattern vids? Cheers
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Very good ! In my batucada, we only play short bell and long bell ! Got a lot to learn ^^
Just a question, why long Bell is played two times ?
Arno
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Thanx!!!🌹🍀🌹
Thanks for your comment.
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This is a great start, but there is some misinformation or generalizations here. Soli comes from Guinea, sorsonet has 3 bell patterns, kenkeni is the name of a drum/bell, not a rhythm ... there may be inconsistencies in other parts but my main area of experience is with Guinean/w african music
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@@drummercouk is it still for sale ?
@@grandenuit I picked up the books from the printers today! So yes!
@@grandenuit yes! The book was released just last week in March '19
Really nice! Thank you very much!
Here is another pattern (don't know the name, but like a simpler Bembe / Short Bell):
XoXooXoXoXoo
It's the 6/8 basic clave. Very nice. You're welcome btw.
And I know the name of this one (Abondon, Cote d'Ivoire) :
XXoXoXXoXXXo
+Nenad Pekez this is the Abondan I know: x-xx-x-xx-x-|xx-x-x-xx-x-
Wow, nice. I am not an expert, but these two don't seem similar. I like them both though, thanks once again.
This is also the clave of "Columbia" style of Rumba (basically a ternary version of Rumba Guaguanco....)
Very nice.
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What's the difference between Tambu and Tonada? They both sound the same.
They are the same. Just showing how rhythms travel.
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Awesome.
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Thanks a lot!!!!!
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thanks man!!!
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thank you so helpful!
que va simpplificar todo asi no vaaa, ademas cada etnia tiene muchos golpes o claves, no uno solo
Ya lo sé. No es un ensayo en etnomusicología si no unos ejemplos se ritmos que se puede encontrar en estos países. Para algunos será útil. Saludos.
O dito " mahi/ long belll" com uma pequena diferença!
Very cool, thankyou
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@Drumtapp84 I don't understand your posts. What are you trying to say?
A Cuban musician showed me an African 6/8 are you familiar with it
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need more cowbell...
Was I the first?
I doubt that your the first, or the last, to trot this out
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it would have been useful if you would have marked the first beat on each of these patterns
I count in. And lead in with the foot 4 counts. I think.
are these in 4/4 time I'm confused
+Quintin Penola No. 12/8 can be counted as 4/4 if each quarter note is given three eight notes. (1) 2 3 (4) 5 6 (7) 8 9 (10) 11 12
If you know how to superimpose 6 over 4 and vice versa, you can also count this as 6/8.
+Jonah Martinez OK i understand what your saying. These are simple to play by ear but i don't no how to read the XOXO marks. I'm guessing each X(hit) is a quarter note and each O(rest) is a quarter note
Quintin Penola
No, each X is not the quarter note. Each of these are different patterns, so the X is not the quarter note. The X is the one being hit, and the O is a rest. What he is playing on the foot is the quarter note, which may or may not overlap with an X. Count the number of letters. 12, right? When these 12 letters are 8th notes, we can count as 12/8, which is lines up perfectly with 4/4 by giving each quarter note 3 8th notes. OR we can count it as 6/8. If something is in 6/8, we are counting the 8th note as the main beat, not the quarter note. In this case, each of the 12 notes is not an 8th note as it would be when counting 12/8 or 4/4. So, when the quarter note is played over the 6/8, it creates a 4 over 6 polyrhythm, and vice versa. It would be like this:
(1*) 2 (3) 4* (5) 6 (7*) 8 (9) 10* (11) 12
Each note in parenthesis is an 8th note, those without are 16ths notes, and those with a star is the imposed 4/4.
Figuring out how to read the X's and O's is pretty simple. Find a metronome online, set it to 90, tap your foot to it, then begin to count 1 2 3 4. Now say out loud, while keeping the foot the same, 1 and uh 2 and uh 3 and uh 4 and uh. This is the 12/8 and 4/4 I was talking about. Now, while keeping the foot the same yet, say out loud 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 and 6 and. You count the same 12 notes at the same speed, but it creates the 6/8 feel.
Quintin Penola
If you can tap with your foot and say these two different things out loud, you'll be able to recognize the relationship between what you count and what is on the screen in X's and O'x.
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What's the difference between Tambu and Tonada?
Tambu is wrong, dont know about Tonada
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Perhaps then count 6/8 as 1&2&3&4&5&6&.
12/8 as 1&a2&a3&a4&a.
But counting 6/8 in this way won't work in all cases.
Horses for courses you could say...
How can you tell when it's in 4 or 6
Philippe Clement can you count 6 over the top of the rhythm and it resolves into a perfect loop?
drummercouk oh never mind I'm starting to get it the more I listen.
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Tambu and tonada its the Same in a video
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If it's a time signature with an 8 on the bottom (e.g. 6/8) always group them in threes
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No, definitely not !! 6/8 or 12/8 rythms should always be counted 1+a2+a3+a4+a ; it is not the main division (pulses, binairy) but the subdivision (ternary) which makes the rythms feel the way they do.
If you play quinto cross rythm, you can play binary cross rythm on ternary rumba and vice-versa. If you count them the way you propose, good luck playing quinto ;-)
Have a look at "The clave matrix" and "Rumba quinto" of David Penalosa, excellent (almost academic) writings on the topic.
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But those were all just triplets...
Can be 4/4 triplets. Can be 6/8. Can be 12/8. You decide. It's all.
It’s slightly absurd that each one of this tiny variations on a rhythm have their own name, and are I guess... cultural touchstones from various regions of the earth?
Like, my group is the shuffle group. Called the johnny. oh well mine is the slightly more spaced shuffle. Called the Jimmy. Oh well mine is a straight 8th called a Tommy. Well mine is no beat at all, called a Timmy.
I get that if you’re teaching these rhythms, it would be mildly useful to have a quick vocab to discern between these minute differences, it just seems weird to name them all and collect them and more their place of cultural importance.
I imagine some tweaked out cave man clacked all of these rhythms on a log somewhere hundreds of thousands of years ago, as a child tapping a pen today would. Should they name them though is the question.
There’s nearly 900 of these rhythms in my book Beats Exotiques 😁. It’s useful to have names for them in the same way we have names for songs. It helps communicate. And some of them are not unique to the country but spread around the world from Africa with the slave trade to the new world. They leave a rhythmic footprint as they go. It’s fascinating. If you’re like me - a Beat Geek 🤓
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