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- A 400 mile trip from Phoenix to Los Angeles in a 2019 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus versus the 2018 Tesla Model 3 Long Range. If you are considering between the SR+ and LR this video will track each vehicles charging stops, time of trip and notes battery percentage. In the end both cars will arrive to their final destination at the Tesla Superchargers in Granada Hills, Los Angeles. Last year I did a comparison video of these two and looked at their range, charging speed and everyday use. Now I want to take all that and show you how they compare on an actual road trip.
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Too funny, I was at the Beaumont charger when you were there, the white M3 in the corner on gunmetal Rays ZE40s. Was having lunch at In N Out. Haha
Got a SR+ and drove from Los Angeles to Hampton Beach New Hampshire and back. Zero problems. Video on my channel. Not for views, but for proof. It was a great trip. I recommend it to anyone with a Tesla. Barely costs anything, especially outside California. Sometimes charging was $3 for almost full charge. In some states.
I love the way you explain and edit this videos! 🤝
I imagine the LR doesn't have to charge quite as much but overall the SR is perfectly fine doing long runs. I know, I've done numerous ones in mine.
Longest I've done is 1,200 miles one way in my SR+. KY to CO. Definitely capable for road trips.
@@jeremyh9033 i have had a bit of range anxiety with my SR+ but slowly getting more comfortable
@@jameskirkland4180 part of getting rid of range anxiety is just knowing what your car can do and then giving yourself a bit of buffer. Also know that 10-15% buffer is actually a lot of range. That and there's the hidden buffer below 0%, which I think is another 20 miles before you just can't go any further. Though that should only be used in emergencies as it's not good for the battery to run it that low.
Love the fairy fountain background music!
Playing ocarina of time at the moment. I had to look, if somebody else is playing on my switch right now 🤣
Thank you! I’m about to begin a 4000 mile trip in a new Model S LR, so your comparisons were very helpful, proving that traveling in an EV is truly a game! Sure glad I have a Tesla!
how did it go
@@BiasBiasBias With a mere three days of ownership, we departed on our 4400 mile journey. With a steep learning curve, we had great fun through some unpleasant weather, but mostly dry roads throughout the ten days. The car performed beautifully, without FSD, because we had to qualify for the beta. Charging was mostly delightful, with only a couple of exceptions. Again, there was much to learn. The Model S LR is the most fun and enjoyable car I’ve ever owned, and I’m 80.
@@baldbikeboy love you name, hope you enjoy the car for many years to come!
The Tesla is absolutely a game changer. I did two trips (one to Tucson and one to Phoenix) this summer in my Bolt EV and it cut is already paltry DC charge rate of 55kW to 30-35kW (think almost 2 hours in Dateland to have enough energy to keep pace with traffic and make it to Casa Grande)... The drive from Southern California to Tucson (normally around 6 hours in a ICE took almost 12 hours).
❤my 2021 SR+ Im 38 yr old and dont need AWD or performance so works out well. Also gets me 120 miles on 50-60%! Yes unless you are a racecar driver or need the range dont get it! Its not worth an extra 8-12K!✌🤣
Sr+ all the way! Save the 10K & use toward a downpayment to get your car 400-500 per mo. Remember insurance will be a min. Of 2K per yr. More if your younger or get the AWD or performance model 3. Performance is great if your on a racetrack! Other then that its a hard ride and not a great day 2 day vehicle especially if you have bad roads in yoir area. Get the 18s. Best most comfortable ride and you get 260miles of range. 220 Real world miles!😁😱
Tesla isn't the only fast-charging battery-car. Some of the latest designs have 800 VDC batteries (vs Tesla 400 VDC) which can charge faster (ex. Porsche Taycan).
For long trips you want to stay in the bottom half for the battery, targeting 5-10% range when you stop.
Also, charging until Tesla says go is way overcautious. You will get a lot of slow kWh doing that.
This tends to matter for 1000+ mile trips.
12:40 took an hour longer.
Good. Explaining driving lower in the battery
Nice job with the editing and analysis :)
I usually do trips from Antwerp Belgium to Perpignan France. The charging stops are exactly the same with an SR+ as LR. Only charging times of the LR are half as long..
This is so well done ! Thank you very much!
Great video and explanation at the end on how it could have gone better for you. I often open up A Better Route Planner for long trips and do virtual comparisons to other cars on what would be faster.
While watching your video I was saying to myself that you were arriving with too high SOC, so it was good to see at the end that you understood. Great video
Came for the comparison between SR+ and LR, kept watching because Zelda XD
Great video and info. It’s good to see someone actually creating informative content versus click bait videos with redundant or misleading info. Great job.
Really helpful info! Might be moving to Goodyear next year and I plan to travel to CA quite a bit.
Thanks for confirming i’m not the only one that’s listened to the Tarzan soundtrack in my model 3 lol
Gotta say.. love your videos you deliver them very nicely and with enough detail as to not to overwhelm anyone and yet inform. Nicely done!
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Legend of Zelda fan? Awesome
Yes! Great fairy fountain 🎶
@@CallasEV Love it 🎶
Plus Tarzan soundtrack for road tripping. Solid choices all around
Have you tried short hops with less charging at each stop? It can reduce the time charging although the time getting to the greater number of chargers in increased. The charging slows up a lot at more than 60% charge.
Absolutely, charging speed is much much faster from the bottom of the SOC. Trick is to drive as fast as you're comfortable with, then reach a charger at lowest SOC you're comfortable with and only charge enough to get to next charger (assuming you're driving at least 150 miles between chargers).
We completed a 3k mile trip and wound up, on average, stopping every 70 miles to charge for an average of 14 minutes. Basically rode the battery from 70 down to 30 in a LR RWD. I've come to like more frequent stops. It keeps me fresher, is better for my back and is battery friendly.
Thanks for the this video! You should try the same comparison on a longer trip, where like you mentioned the difference between LR and SR will be less amplified when you have to make more charging stops.
One of the best videos about real life range .. thanks a ton !
Great job with the pacing of this video! It was perfect!
So Just meaningless driving around for nothing!
@@brunoheggli2888 by pacing, I was talking about video editing..
Love the Zelda Background music!
This was a great video ! Well done seems to me like the SR is good enough for most people who aren’t always pressing for time
It is about 30 mins difference for every 500 miles traveled for SR+ and LR models. You are right about if you are in a hurry or not. Get the LR if you are always in a hurry in a long trips and SR+ for leisurely trips.
Get the LR if you don’t have a home charger
To have tested the SR 2019 on long trips, it's quite good. I'd have preferred to have more range but if you do long trips rarely, SR is more than enough. And the 2021 has more range than the 2019. So you're right, most people don't need LR.
This cemented my choice. The SR is more than enough for me. My weekly job commute is 240 miles plus I get free L2 charging at work. I do like road-trips but they tire me out so maybe more stops is ok for me.
Just rented a M3 for Saturday. It’s a long range but it had only 200 miles. Did all my driving save for the drive home and it handled it all.
It really is. I sleep lol
Also when the drive units fail inevitably its much cheaper and more manageable for tesla to do it in the standard range also less current passing through it. The long range feels like a rocket in comparison
Great video!!!!
super real world comparison, I like it a lot, warm regards from Hannover, Germany.
As someone that drove 4000 miles in the first month after delivery with the model 3 SR I can tell you that I had to stop a lot and wished I bought a long range. Fantastic work on this video.
Definitely get the LR if you can afford it. Dual motor AWD is quicker and better handling. NOBODY ever bought the LR and latter regretted that they didn’t get the SR vs. the other way around.
Beautiful and very best the cars information content. thanks for shering.
Excellent video. Well though out with regards to which car is which. Nice. :)
Very interesting and well done.
Excellent video! I would love to see if you had pushed the battery a little more, maybe the SR+ would have been more competitive, as you mention in the conclusion.
Goal for me on road trips is hitting superchargers below 5%, trip is so much faster that way
Doesn't the Model 3 have a built-in buffer zone...where if you hit 0% battery, you still have some time to get to a supercharger?
@@GoLongAmerica yeah there's always 4.5% below 0% but low voltage makes the battery behave in unpredictable ways so it can be way worse than it seems
@@lespaulranger It's just that, I've never heard of a Tesla being stranded on the side of the road with a dead battery.
I'm sure it does happen from time to time, but it's probably not a regular occurrence.
It seems to me that range anxiety in a Tesla is unfounded unless you try to go a very long distance on 0%.
I’m sure if this was on purpose or not, but definitely sounds like the Music is from Zelda. Specifically the Great Fairy fountains.
It is! 😌 it’s a lo-fi version of it
Oof, tesla fan & zelda fan & beautiful. Hope i have a wife like you someday
Amazing content ❤
We did 1600Km in one day in a model S last month and the stops were refreshing. Melbourne to Sydney and back.
Good info thank you
Great idea!
Interesting comparison. :-)
Thanks! It's usually faster to make more stops with the battery very low when you pull in and only charge until you have enough juice to get to the next charger plus a little safety margin. Kyle from Out of Spec Motoring has demonstrated this many times. The charging recommended by Tesla is not optimal for trip time. Skipping chargers that Tesla recommends is even worse. It's all about the charge rate which is highest when the battery low.
great vid
This was amazing
Great video. I would be interested in another comparison with both starting and ending at 80% to simulate a trip where you don't have a at-home spot to charge while on your trip. I am guessing that the numbers would be a lot closer for something like this...
When Bjorn does this test, the SR+ is only behind by about a half hour over a 1000km trip.
Which is about what she said was the difference, about 30 mins without the traffic difference.
Yes, very well done!
Thanks for this insightful video! It'll definitely help in trying to figure out if the standard range is worth it vs long range. I live in Phoenix as well and vacation to California, so I'm aware of the hilly roads on the way that reduce range in an EV.
Thank you.
Great Video and result for M3 SR.Fab to see California too.!
Super cool 😎… I am now questioning if I should get the Long Range & just pull the trigger on a standard range + 🙃
nice video.
Fun "race". Good recap and conclusions. The long range battery gives it an advantage at the beginning and a slight advantage during recharge. But overall, and with judicious choices of safest low battery charge % to arrive at the supercharger, the difference isn't huge.
Well done
We are thinking of purchasing a Tesla Model Y in 2022. I am torn between a Standard Range (which isn't currently sold, but is rumored to be coming back) and a Long Range. Your video shows that the SR is indeed practical for long road trips. For daily driving, the SR would have more than enough range for us, since we would be able to charge at home overnight, daily.
I think the Hyundai Ioniq5 IS the perfect Car for you!
@@brunoheggli2888 The Ioniq 5 is a good EV for sure, but CCS DC fast charging is very spotty in my part of the country, unfortunately.
For mostly the entire country
Great video! One question though, how much did supercharging cost total for each car?
Nice
Great video thank you. I would love to know how much kW the both cars had to charge on that trip and what the price difference was.
Great comparison & presentation. Because I don't travel long distance more than twice a year in Canada's Great White North 🍁, I'm more inclined to purchase the Grey SR+ in "22. Thanks for your insight with both versions.
Car loses more range in cold weather! Would not recommend unless you have a home charger then it doesn’t really matter. Current model 3 LR AWD owner and Previous SR+ owner.
I have a sr+ with the heat pump, live in northern Ontario and do only long trips - even groceries is a 120 km round trip. In 9 months we have 36K on it. We lose very little range in the winter between supercharger stops. Maybe 10%. If you are just driving locally the range will reduce, but then who cares as long as you are charging at home, and why wouldn't you?
@@josephv5484 that's really comforting to hear. I haven't had much of a chance to test my SR+ in the winter yet.
Great video. But yes, the charging stops could have been executed better. And, why arrive at the destination with 36%? 5% should be enough, and you would have saved lots of time at the last charging stop.
My thoughts exactly I have a 2021 M3sr+ and get to vegas 310 miles on 1 stop and arrive at 20% because I tell the car to stop once for 45min. Vs. Stopping twice for the same range but takes more time! People need 2 know the range in chill mode and you can literally calculate the exact amount of % you need 2 get to any destination. For me it comes easy but to some like my mom its much harder. She is 74 but my dads S is 404 range and gets to vegas on 1 ride! Its great! No Stopping at all but also literally twice the price!😱🚘 4 me the SR+ with Autopilot is the best car on earth for the $! I paid 38K and after tax, fees, 2.49% apr loan, destination etc.. it was 46.6K. I got a total of 6K back so my car ended up costing me only 40.6K and I got the white Interior also or it would have been $1075 cheaper and less then 40K out the door for a brand new 2021 Model 3 tesla SR+ with 263 mile range! More then the 2022 and same other stats! Great battery and no need 2 charge up 2 100% so stick with the older battery IMHO! Tesla saves $ while you pay more for less range!🤣🤣🤣✌
This was awesome. It shows that you can do a long road trip in either, especially when you utilize the reliability of Tesla's charging network. Either car would be fine. In the SR you just might have to make that extra stop or two. The only criticism I have with the SR vs the LR is the money you're paying for the SR, and now with their price increase, Tesla doesn't give you the premium sound system. As a IT guy into tech, music and bass I need that quality sound system.
Well if price is an issue don’t worry because this isn’t the final form of an affordable EV. And with the waitlist being so long, waiting until after fulfillment and production ramp up would imply better pricing. I mean, you have to wait either way.
@@taylor92493 This is true. There a EVs about to hist the US market worth keeping an eye on. I have a Model Y Long Range on order that won't be ready until June. But after some careful research, at least to thi point, on my short list of comparable EVs are the Ioniq 5, EV6 and the Nissan Ariya. Those are really good and qualify for the existing tax credit.
I too wish the SR (now just called Model 3 RWD) had the premium sound system. It's literally my only gripe with my car lol. It sounds fine without it, but I've driven one with premium sound and it's completely next level
@@Dubitz I have the 2020 SR+ and added the Hanshow system that enables all the disabled speakers and adds a subwoofer in the trunk. It sounds great, nearly as good the system in our new '22 Model Y my wife uses as her daily driver.
@@hyrollin81 Good to hear. I think with my car they took out the rear speakers all together so I’d have to pick the right hanshow model that comes with everything.
A Tesla owner who knows what a C rating is? Yes! Most think charging is voodoo science lol
I just used my 19 sr+ doing a trip from Vancouver WA to Anaheim California, we did like 8 stops every 120 miles we had to stop which was every 2 hours or a bit more. But I was speeding the whole way going 75-85MPH sometimes 90mph 😅and used the AC the whole way for the most part
would've loved to see wh/mi between each stop.
You had me at SR+ but I stayed for the range!
This is such a great idea for a video. I have an EV channel as well, where I spot cool electric vehicles in the wild before they reach mass production.
-John W.
I'll be honest, everyone has range anxiety, but once you drove a Tesla for a year, you are going to be like "wtf was I scared about, I could have just saved money with the SR+" The fact that the SR+ is actually a bit more efficient is another bonus. I think generally the time saving is rather minimal. The real reason you were so far behind the LR is kinda because you stopped at 34% and charged up to 80% at the first stop, so you didn't get the high initial charging that is especially fast from 10-30%. Obviously 23% is subideal too and so is 35% :D
I think if you actually started with 80% and would have only charged to reach your next stop with 5-10% you could have easily saved yourself 20-30 minutes. You mentioned most of it at the end too though. At the end of the day it is going to take a bit longer, but just think about it. How many hours would you have to work for the price difference. Most likely quiet a lot of time. I personally would rather go for the cheaper and have some time to play games, read mails, grab a snack and stretch a bit than putting in the work hours to upgrade to the LR, but then again it's not that much of a difference given you are buying a brand new vehicle for a high price anyway. The fact that the LR doesn't have a 10 month order backlog is another good reason to take it over the SR+ though :D
I was JUST at the Granada Hills Superchargers 3 days ago! 😂 I was like "wait those chargers looks super familiar, wait I was just charging there!"
Nice! 😁 I filmed this during that 3 day holiday weekend last month .
@@CallasEV nice! Maybe one of these days we'll run into you at a Supercharger in SoCal when you're out here shooting a video! 😆
You can get the charge difference way down if you always keep the SR+ in the sweet spot of charging speed, it's almost identical at that point as seen with Bjorn on his 1000km challenge.
nice!!
Nice comparison. One thing I'd like to see compared that I don't see with a quick search, is if things like spoilers and front lips spoilers actually add range, and if so, how much? Like the ones from Unplugged Performance claim to reduce the drag coefficient vs stock. But I can't seem to find any real world results.
I make the drive from prescott to LA frequently. bypassing quartzite or erenbergh is a gamble even in a LR. I hit erenberg with 65% and still charge
Hi I like all the explaining you do can you please do another video on Tesla y performance compared to a long range I did order mine wait time is till from January/ April I picked the 20 inch induction wheels since it looks little better compared
To 19 inch let me know what do you recommend
Can you tell me how much of a difference there is between the audio of the SR+ vs the LR?
I understand the hardware differences, but how’s it actually sound against each other?
love the video, could you just put KM too alongside miles please
Well done!
😃 Thank you!!
You took the center cap off with your hand. Impressive.
I use A Better Route Planer to map-out longer trips and it typically has me bounce between 10% and 60% to reduce overall time charging. Going above 60% really slows the charging rate. If the chargers are close enough to do this you can shave significant time off the charging stops.
She makes good videos 👍
did you compare how much KW each cars needed to get to the destination? would be nice also to compare efficiency. thank you
Is the song playing in the background a remixed version of a Final Fantasy song? The tune sounds so familiar. I feel like it’s a video game song. Haha
Nice test (or demonstration). Sr is better than expected. Wonder if the extra time saved is worth the extra pay. (it put a value on your time)
And the 2021 version has more range. So it doesn't really worth the extra money if you rarely do long trips. At least if we talk about range only (the LR has better performances due to the dual motors).
If you do trips like that a couple of times per month it sure is worth it, but if it is a couple of times per year it is probably not worth it.
92 degrees at 7:50 am... I feel bad for the dogs and dog owners of Phoenix, Az. lol
Nice Comparison. For people looking at Tesla's this demonstrates that the LR is not necessarily needed. Technically Other than a bit of weight difference between the two cars They would use the Same amount of energy going from one location to another. I own a 2018 LR. 70k miles on it. Only reason I like the LR is due to the fact that there are not a lot of charging options away from the Freeways where I live and we like to cruise, through Mountains etc and the LR gives us the extra range especially in winter.
Did a Portland to Phoenix trip in my mid range and once I got passed Medford, OR it was game time for maxing my charge. I think the highest charge % I took it to on the I-5 Corridor was 60%, average stop time was 13m. My Mid-Range Peaks at 200-220kwh on V3. I estimate that the difference between a Long Range and Mid Range would be less than 1/4, the luxury of the long range would be scenarios like Oregon where the split between Portland -> Springfield -> Grants Pass/Medford just soak the time on my mid-range. California on the other hand has so many stops and V3 stops at that it literally would of been no difference.
Were you guys on chill mode and did u use AutoPilot???
What was the average speed?
Which trip was more expensive. The standard range
That’s is the important question
I'm hoping in the near future Tesla will implement charge % arrival targets like ABRP does. That way you could maximize charging times. Or if you're more concerned about battery longevity and e-waste rather than time, you could keep the arrival % higher to keep the battery between 30% and 80%. Also would be nice to set your destination charge higher if you know there aren't any chargers around. May not be a problem on the coasts, but here in the midwest it can be a concern.
I see the next update or two for the M3/Y will finally have "add a destination" to the route planning, this will be a very welcome feature as I have to use ABRP for round trip planning. Can't believe it's been this long without it TBH.
You can’t take traffic out of the equation. Navigating to extra superchargers and being delayed by the traffic around will be part the everyone’s equation.
Saying at 1:40 that you don't have a charging disadvantage because you get the same battery % for time spent charging is somewhat misleading.
Even though you may gain % as quickly each % is less miles. Thus if you wanted to charge enough for another 2 hours of driving (around 140 miles) the lr will get there much more quickly.
The only worthwhile metric is range added per unit time.
I see this all the time with people comparing cars that charge faster than teslas too (in terms of %).
Other than that excellent video!
SRs low range exposed the driver to factors which extended her trip length. In this case traffic outside a charging station.
why arrive at 32% destination??? not good for doing faster time..
The SR+ battery showed higher % than earlier predicted when you stopped to charge. That means the SR+ ran slower than predicted speed in this race. For my SR+ in my long trip, as long as the predicted battery % at destination is higher than 20%, I know that I could speed up the car to follow the fast lane flow to reduce driving time.
Could, or can, you tell any difference in sound quality or driving quality between the SR+ and LR? I have trouble seeing the value in the price difference if I will be using it around town in north Texas all most all the time.
I'm not an audiophile by any means, but I only notice a difference in the low end since the car doesn't have a subwoofer. Driving quality is just about the same, the LR does have more kick though!
@@CallasEV thank you. I am asking to test drive a SR+. Tesla said maybe they’d have one by end of the month. The LR apparently delivers three months earlier.
I bought a SR+ and could definitely tell the audio difference. If you can afford it get the long range it is much faster that you can really feel the speed difference it also handles better because it has sway bars in the rear and the SR+ does not.
@@amirtz3342 Thank you. Hopefully, I will get a chance to drive one myself around the end of the month. Then I can compare them myself.
@@johnstephenson8087 no problem. the biggest factor though for me was the range! Mostly an issue if you don’t have a charger installed at home. I do not have a charger installed and I was surprised how much range I would lose to heat/cold and sentry cameras. I was not fully happy until I bought the LR for my needs. But best of Luck.
You really should try to run your battery to 5-10% and charge to 60-65% instead of 20-70% or 30-80%. On a road trip, any charging above 60% is waste of time. If you have the LFP SR+, charging rate is much better above 60-70%.
I wonder what's kind of car you driving now?
I think this is a great idea but it would have been great if you optimized by charging at low soc. eg
Driving slower can give faster travel time since more efficient, so less time recharging. An Electrek article a few years ago suggested driving 55 mph on side roads to make better time, but that was when Superchargers were slower. You might have done better to have drafted behind big motorhomes and semis going 70 mph.
nope. The optimum speed with superchargers is around 160km/h. Or 180km/h with V3 if charging below 60%. Even with 43kw charging only the optimum speed is around 130kmh. The optimum speed with AC charging only is around 85kmh.
@@kingprone7846
Sounds optimistic and much different than the Electrek article's conclusions. You see similar claims from gasoline car owners who want to believe that driving faster is more efficient, and people who claim that running the home AC during the day when at work is efficient. Physics disagrees. Charging at 240 VAC chargers is impractical for road trips. You only gain 30 miles of range per hour of charging. Drive at 60 mph to the next charger, and your average speed is only 20 mph, which a good bicyclist can manage.
@@williamgrissom9022 not everyone has the luxury of superchargers or even just 43/50kw chargers on their trip dude. Stop being so american. like... there are other places in the world outside the USA. And even inside the USA not all states have had good supercharger coverage until recently. I have completed plenty of road trips without DC charging, relying only on AC. you seem incapable of doing basic maths, hence i had to clarify how fast you can actually drive for maximum efficiency.
@@kingprone7846 Seems other Tesla owners then are mistaken per your claims, since many times I have seen a Tesla going 55 mph on I-5 CA Central Valley, shadowing a semi, with no intention of passing. Presumably they do that to stretch their range and skip mid-trip charging, or perhaps trying to just make it to the next charger. Strange that your claims don't match the aerodynamics of gasoline sedans, as they are most efficient around 45 mph.
@@williamgrissom9022 you are a.... person of low intelligence. like.... im sorry. thats just not how it works.
I never let my phone get below 30% but even if I did, I wouldn't want to do that with an EV on long trips in the middle of nowhere. I don't do that with my ICE either and there are gas stations everywhere!
2:13
Yes! 😁