The Veo was quite literally head and shoulders above the rest. The height difference make a big impact. The distance creates a wider shot which is better for coaches. Also, it zooms into the other side of the field, which allowed us to see the play.
Thorough review! Any advice on cutting out sound on a Veo - nobody wants to hear coaches talking or shouting when they receive the game? More to the point I don't want people hearing my shouting again!! 😂
My solution has been to pull it into a video editor and delete/mute/reduce gain on the audio track. But yeah the ability to mute during recording would be awesome
I put tape on the mic holes cut a lot of it out. Some still gets through and you sometimes hear the camera itself but for sure cut way down on talking etc.
But having no audio at all sucks too. Id recommend an audio device and have it record the sound from far away where you can’t really hear them anymore and include that in the video instead of muting it or placing random music
Hi Cristian, I have a spreadsheet but I didn’t put the numbers in the video since the pricing, plans, and options for the cameras change over time. I didn’t want to show numbers in the recording and have someone watch it a month later and it be out of date. You can email me and I can share it with you if that would help - ben@easysportsvideo.com
Recording into the sun definitely alters the contrast of the video. It's always better to have the sun behind the camera but depending on the field setup that's not always possible unfortunately. I have experimented with a sun shade and it made a difference but it's one more thing to setup and I'm usually rushing from field to field so haven't used it a lot.
Kind of off topic question, but is there a monthly subscription fee for these? If so, are they similar in price? (Sorry if you've covered this topic already)
Yes, each of these cameras has a monthly plan. I'll be doing another review on a set of cameras that don't require plans here pretty soon. The rates have been changing over time for all 3 cameras which is why I didn't mention them in the video. Didn't want to put outdated rate info. You can see a look at some pricing comparisons at easysportsvideo.com/start
From this comparison the Veo camera has the best and sharpest image quality, and also the tracking and the video editor seems better then others. The downsides is that it still has some stutters and movement blur but i think it has improved quite a bit from the first Veo 2 recordings. This video alone is probably enough to confirm that my selection was good - my Veo camera arrived yesterday:) I am curious how the Pix4team will improve and also would like to see what Hudl will bring to the table.
Glad it was helpful! If you have questions about your new camera let me know. We also have a Veo Rookie guide here - soccerstripes.com/product/veo-camera-guide-veo-rookie/ I'll put out a video with Pix4Team footage this month, sounds like the Hudl Flex Focus will hopefully ship next year?
@@EasySportsVideo it sure was, and your latest video came in the right time before my first match recording, thank you! Actually i am in the contact with the person who works for Hudl and i will ask them when is the release date. It is currenty in beta testings with some clubs in my area, will let you know.
Customer service with Veo is a nightmare... email only for subscription, phone number and chat for tech support and there's none of them work together so you have to start over every time and they can't get you someone to help you outside their specific area of expertise.
I don't now... but to me Pixellot is the sharpest and has better quality, Trace video looks washed out, Veo has too much saturation. We are using Trace right now. We might try other camera, but I heard they don't have as great cusotmer support compared to Trace.
@@MrCarkyle I can concur on this. Our sales rep got us to pay our $5k invoice then bounced. He messed up our subscription and we were only able to use 1 camera out of the 2 we purchased. Support said they have nothing to do with subscription. Subscription took 48 hours for initial contact then found out they are in Denmark so European working style. Sign out at noon. The worse $5k we have ever purchased. The product itself is solid, meh on the platform and if possible, negative stars on support.
I typically just use the one big sandbag that came with the 23 ft tripod. If it's really windy I'll keep the camera lower and use 2 sandbags. If you use the windkit on a turf field you can bring along 3 extra sandbags and tie the lines to those. I have a video coming out on that soon.
None of them have an HDMI port. For the ones that livestream or have instant playback, you can open the app on your phone and use a hdmi mirroring cable to show your app on a monitor
Hey Ben. on your YT video is has static video of the scoreboard. Will the Veo camera populate this as an option, or did you import that into the video? tks
I read that pixellot Air can live stream but cant find if there is a cost to watch the video or how they charge for the service. Anyone know how this works?
Hi, I have relationships with all of the camera companies. Unfortunately I couldn't get any of them to give me a camera to try so I had to buy them all myself. I go into a lot more detail here - soccerstripes.com/best-soccer-cameras-to-record-your-game/
Hi George, sure you can zoom in on the play. This video shows you how to do it. Veo calls it directed highlight - th-cam.com/video/MjMZtvnI34Y/w-d-xo.html
The Venice quality was blurry and over saturated, the pixellot picture quality was pixely and blown out…. Trace was the best picture of the 3 but its tracking seemed to be less accurate. Interesting especially for the price points and years coast of this equipment.
I got a Pixellot when it first came out and it had some tracking issues then. However, the Veo had tracking issues when I first started using it back in 2019 as well. I think for the cameras that do the tracking after the fact (not real time) where the AI analyzes the footage and follows the ball they continue to get better the longer the camera is on the market and the more games they record (or at least that should be the expectation).
Hi Pat, a lot of the automated camera systems use some kind of a plan. There is one that doesn't do any processing of the video since it manually moves the camera, vs recording and processing it afterwards/during. This one doesn't have a recurring plan - soccerstripes.com/veo-camera-vs-pix4team-soccer/
@@EasySportsVideo Yeah, many come with the subscription option which is lame. I just want a VEO style cam that records the game and leaves the RAW video file for me to edit. If I want it to send stuff to the cloud, edit, analyze it or stream the game, then for sure, subscription plan for that makes sense. Otherwise, I'm not interesting. Yes the Pix4Team exists, but as seen on your video example of it, the Pix4Team is pretty bad. I'll just wait for a VEO competitor to come out that records same quality like it but comes with no subscription. As this tech keeps improving and more competition grows, then I'm sure we'll eventually get that in the future.
The Veo was using the 23 ft tripod but wasn't all the way up. It was up probably between 3-4 sections. The Trace was using the tripod it comes with and the Pixellot was using a 12 ft manfrotto
That video is about a year old but I think the version of Trace is still the same. I believe Pixellot has/is rolling out a newer version but i hven't tested it.
Hi Ben Loving the soccer camera comparison videos. Keep up the good work. I am just wondering if you have any experience of working with the analytics of any of these cameras as I know both pixellot and veo have some game analysis that can be used with the camera?
Thanks, yes we're testing out both the Pixellot and Veo. Have gotten a bit sidetracked on the comparison over the holidays but are getting back to it as the seasons start back up. If you have specific questions you can always email me, ben@EasySportsVideo.com
Veo>Pixellot>Trace Did you get chance to get clips from the ReePlayer? Curious how the stack up. Would be great for new generation of these cameras to have optical zoom. Will be game changer IMO.
Have been waiting for Reeplayer since Sept 2022. Found out that they are saying delivery at the end of Fall 2023 (instead of June 2023 like was initially projected). Sadly, I won't be able to wait any longer.
All 3 cameras don’t really do a great job to enhance the play by play capture of an individual player. If you look closely at all three you wouldn’t be able to tell the players you’re looking at. Can’t clearly see their faces and numbers. Maybe it’s a zooming issue with the camera. Also, why aren’t there automated commentary built in the camera given the huge price tag and ongoing subscription. All 3 cameras left more to be desired.
Which did you like best overall? Why didn't the Tracers work? That seems like Trace's differentiator...if it works. The hassle of managing the extra hardware aside. The Trace framing and follow does seem less good (camera angled too low) in these examples and I'm wondering if it has to anything do with the Tracers not being setup.
Hi Jeff, the tracers were an extra step in the process and we had issues with them tracking and uploading but now Trace has a PlayerFocus feature that lets you track players without needing them to wear trackers. We're going to test it out and I'll let you know how it does for us.
I haven't done a comprehensive cost compare yet. They each have features that are add-ons that can impact the total cost. For example Veo has live streaming and Trace has something called TraceID. I don't know the pricing of the Hudl Flex Focus yet, its still on rolling out to the big clubs right now it seems. Each one also an annual subscription that can vary depending on how you use it. And the Pixellot and Veo you buy the camera but with Trace its more of a lease. So an apples to apples price comparison isn't straight forward. None of them are cheap : ) I am evaluating other options for teams that want to capture sports videos and these camera systems dont fit their budget.
Here's an update, recorded the same game with Veo and Pix4Team last weekend. Here's a writeup of what I learned - soccerstripes.com/veo-camera-vs-pix4team-soccer/ and here's some comparison footage of Veo vs Pix4Team - th-cam.com/video/c4szf450D2U/w-d-xo.html I also did a different game with Veo and Trace so I'll share some clips of Veo vs Trace
I can concur on this. Our sales rep got us to pay our $5k invoice then bounced. He messed up our subscription and we were only able to use 1 camera out of the 2 we purchased. Support said they have nothing to do with subscription. Subscription took 48 hours for initial contact then found out they are in Denmark so European working style. Sign out at noon. The worse $5k we have ever purchased. The product itself is solid, meh on the platform and if possible, negative stars on support.
All 3 cameras don’t really do a great job to enhance the play by play capture of an individual player. If you look closely at all three you wouldn’t be able to tell the players you’re looking at. Can’t clearly see their faces and numbers. Maybe it’s a zooming issue with the camera. Also, why aren’t there automated commentary built in the camera given the huge price tag and ongoing subscription. All 3 cameras left more to be desired.
The Veo was quite literally head and shoulders above the rest. The height difference make a big impact. The distance creates a wider shot which is better for coaches. Also, it zooms into the other side of the field, which allowed us to see the play.
Veo is insanely clear over the rest
Great video, thank you, makes my decision so much easier.
Awesome, glad it helped!
What was your decision!! ??? and 11 months later, do you agree with the direction you went? What are you using?
Yes, please let us know!
Great comparison. Look forward to the reeplayer review
Hi Wen, I don't have my ReePlayer camera yet but sounds like it will be shipping at some point in 2023. Once it does we'll get it out to the field!
Thorough review! Any advice on cutting out sound on a Veo - nobody wants to hear coaches talking or shouting when they receive the game? More to the point I don't want people hearing my shouting again!! 😂
My solution has been to pull it into a video editor and delete/mute/reduce gain on the audio track. But yeah the ability to mute during recording would be awesome
I put tape on the mic holes cut a lot of it out. Some still gets through and you sometimes hear the camera itself but for sure cut way down on talking etc.
I met with the product team from Veo last weekend and brought this up as an important item to include. Hopefully it's added soon.
But having no audio at all sucks too. Id recommend an audio device and have it record the sound from far away where you can’t really hear them anymore and include that in the video instead of muting it or placing random music
@@barisaydin3769 next time round I am taking a Zoom H6 along.
great video; did you make a financial comparison (camera + monthly fees) for each? Im curious now !!
Thanks again
Hi Cristian, I have a spreadsheet but I didn’t put the numbers in the video since the pricing, plans, and options for the cameras change over time. I didn’t want to show numbers in the recording and have someone watch it a month later and it be out of date. You can email me and I can share it with you if that would help - ben@easysportsvideo.com
Very helpful video
Glad it helped!
Tha ka for the Review. I was wondering if the quality would better if you use it with the sun in the back?
Recording into the sun definitely alters the contrast of the video. It's always better to have the sun behind the camera but depending on the field setup that's not always possible unfortunately. I have experimented with a sun shade and it made a difference but it's one more thing to setup and I'm usually rushing from field to field so haven't used it a lot.
Kind of off topic question, but is there a monthly subscription fee for these? If so, are they similar in price? (Sorry if you've covered this topic already)
I would like to now this as well.
ya its a family subscription fee of 999 USD a year, also if you want to livestream its an extra 250$ usd a year
Yes, each of these cameras has a monthly plan. I'll be doing another review on a set of cameras that don't require plans here pretty soon. The rates have been changing over time for all 3 cameras which is why I didn't mention them in the video. Didn't want to put outdated rate info. You can see a look at some pricing comparisons at easysportsvideo.com/start
Have you done the review on the cameras that do not require a subscription yet?
Thanks for the video Ben. Any luck getting Pixel4team working? I would like to see some game footage
Yes, that will be the next one in the series. A game with Pix4Team, Trace, and Veo
From this comparison the Veo camera has the best and sharpest image quality, and also the tracking and the video editor seems better then others. The downsides is that it still has some stutters and movement blur but i think it has improved quite a bit from the first Veo 2 recordings.
This video alone is probably enough to confirm that my selection was good - my Veo camera arrived yesterday:)
I am curious how the Pix4team will improve and also would like to see what Hudl will bring to the table.
Glad it was helpful! If you have questions about your new camera let me know. We also have a Veo Rookie guide here - soccerstripes.com/product/veo-camera-guide-veo-rookie/ I'll put out a video with Pix4Team footage this month, sounds like the Hudl Flex Focus will hopefully ship next year?
@@EasySportsVideo it sure was, and your latest video came in the right time before my first match recording, thank you!
Actually i am in the contact with the person who works for Hudl and i will ask them when is the release date. It is currenty in beta testings with some clubs in my area, will let you know.
Customer service with Veo is a nightmare... email only for subscription, phone number and chat for tech support and there's none of them work together so you have to start over every time and they can't get you someone to help you outside their specific area of expertise.
I don't now... but to me Pixellot is the sharpest and has better quality, Trace video looks washed out, Veo has too much saturation. We are using Trace right now. We might try other camera, but I heard they don't have as great cusotmer support compared to Trace.
@@MrCarkyle I can concur on this. Our sales rep got us to pay our $5k invoice then bounced. He messed up our subscription and we were only able to use 1 camera out of the 2 we purchased.
Support said they have nothing to do with subscription. Subscription took 48 hours for initial contact then found out they are in Denmark so European working style. Sign out at noon. The worse $5k we have ever purchased. The product itself is solid, meh on the platform and if possible, negative stars on support.
How many sandbags are you using when setting up on turf? Are you using the rope at with turf fields?
I typically just use the one big sandbag that came with the 23 ft tripod. If it's really windy I'll keep the camera lower and use 2 sandbags. If you use the windkit on a turf field you can bring along 3 extra sandbags and tie the lines to those. I have a video coming out on that soon.
Hey Ben. I'm also interested in finding out how the tracking on the Pix4Team compared to the other models.
Hi, sorry for the delay. The next one will take a look at a game with Pix4Team, Trace, and Veo
Any updates on Pix4Team?
@@EasySportsVideo Definitely interested in the Pix4Team Review.
So what if you can code the match yourself with nacsports or other apps
what's the battery life of each product?
Does the camera have a hdmi out port to connect to a monitor
None of them have an HDMI port. For the ones that livestream or have instant playback, you can open the app on your phone and use a hdmi mirroring cable to show your app on a monitor
Yo grabo partidos con mi celu y se ven mas nitidos que esas camaras caras y malas jajaja🤘🇨🇱⚽️😀
Veo 2 cost $900 for device and $80+ each month for subscription :(
which ones dont require subscription?
None all 3 need subscription 🤷🏻♂️@@martinsuper4545
Hey Ben. on your YT video is has static video of the scoreboard. Will the Veo camera populate this as an option, or did you import that into the video? tks
I read that pixellot Air can live stream but cant find if there is a cost to watch the video or how they charge for the service. Anyone know how this works?
Hi Ben, are you affiliated with any of the cameras?
Hi, I have relationships with all of the camera companies. Unfortunately I couldn't get any of them to give me a camera to try so I had to buy them all myself. I go into a lot more detail here - soccerstripes.com/best-soccer-cameras-to-record-your-game/
Is there anything that tags a specific player automatically player?
Hello, could anyone narrow it down and suggest the best option for recording friendly football games ?
Hy Ben ,i need camera for minifotbal livestreem, what's camera is good? Thank You
When editing a goal or any portion of the video, can you zoom in on the play?
Hi George, sure you can zoom in on the play. This video shows you how to do it. Veo calls it directed highlight - th-cam.com/video/MjMZtvnI34Y/w-d-xo.html
The Venice quality was blurry and over saturated, the pixellot picture quality was pixely and blown out…. Trace was the best picture of the 3 but its tracking seemed to be less accurate. Interesting especially for the price points and years coast of this equipment.
Veo works great for us on basketball. 150 plus recordings
Hey Brandon, that's great. Wow, 150 is a lot of games! I'm curious what do you do with the footage once it's recorded?
@@EasySportsVideo send the link out to our group. The kids watch the video. And I make highlights for film watching sessions.
Would the VEO work for football? I also need RTMPS option.
Hi Tiffany, yes it works for american football. If you need to stream you do have RTMP options
Did you have issues with the Pixellot tracking?
I got a Pixellot when it first came out and it had some tracking issues then. However, the Veo had tracking issues when I first started using it back in 2019 as well. I think for the cameras that do the tracking after the fact (not real time) where the AI analyzes the footage and follows the ball they continue to get better the longer the camera is on the market and the more games they record (or at least that should be the expectation).
Such a shame VEO doesn't offer a non subscription option.
Hi Pat, a lot of the automated camera systems use some kind of a plan. There is one that doesn't do any processing of the video since it manually moves the camera, vs recording and processing it afterwards/during. This one doesn't have a recurring plan - soccerstripes.com/veo-camera-vs-pix4team-soccer/
@@EasySportsVideo Yeah, many come with the subscription option which is lame. I just want a VEO style cam that records the game and leaves the RAW video file for me to edit. If I want it to send stuff to the cloud, edit, analyze it or stream the game, then for sure, subscription plan for that makes sense. Otherwise, I'm not interesting. Yes the Pix4Team exists, but as seen on your video example of it, the Pix4Team is pretty bad. I'll just wait for a VEO competitor to come out that records same quality like it but comes with no subscription. As this tech keeps improving and more competition grows, then I'm sure we'll eventually get that in the future.
Hi Ben, What height of tripod was the VEO on for this game? Thanks
The Veo was using the 23 ft tripod but wasn't all the way up. It was up probably between 3-4 sections. The Trace was using the tripod it comes with and the Pixellot was using a 12 ft manfrotto
@@EasySportsVideo Explains why the veo was giving a better view of the pitch. Thanks. Great video.
Do Pixellot and Trace really have such a bad image quality ?
That video is about a year old but I think the version of Trace is still the same. I believe Pixellot has/is rolling out a newer version but i hven't tested it.
Hi Ben
Loving the soccer camera comparison videos. Keep up the good work. I am just wondering if you have any experience of working with the analytics of any of these cameras as I know both pixellot and veo have some game analysis that can be used with the camera?
Thanks, yes we're testing out both the Pixellot and Veo. Have gotten a bit sidetracked on the comparison over the holidays but are getting back to it as the seasons start back up. If you have specific questions you can always email me, ben@EasySportsVideo.com
Veo>Pixellot>Trace
Did you get chance to get clips from the ReePlayer? Curious how the stack up.
Would be great for new generation of these cameras to have optical zoom. Will be game changer IMO.
Unfortunately the Reeplayer hasn't shipped out yet. Once I get our Reeplayer I'll do a comparison video on it
Have been waiting for Reeplayer since Sept 2022. Found out that they are saying delivery at the end of Fall 2023 (instead of June 2023 like was initially projected). Sadly, I won't be able to wait any longer.
All 3 cameras don’t really do a great job to enhance the play by play capture of an individual player. If you look closely at all three you wouldn’t be able to tell the players you’re looking at. Can’t clearly see their faces and numbers. Maybe it’s a zooming issue with the camera. Also, why aren’t there automated commentary built in the camera given the huge price tag and ongoing subscription. All 3 cameras left more to be desired.
Do not recommend trace 3000.00 for a lease on equipment that works half the time.
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Which did you like best overall?
Why didn't the Tracers work? That seems like Trace's differentiator...if it works. The hassle of managing the extra hardware aside. The Trace framing and follow does seem less good (camera angled too low) in these examples and I'm wondering if it has to anything do with the Tracers not being setup.
Hi Jeff, the tracers were an extra step in the process and we had issues with them tracking and uploading but now Trace has a PlayerFocus feature that lets you track players without needing them to wear trackers. We're going to test it out and I'll let you know how it does for us.
@@EasySportsVideo I've been running their sensorless beta all season.
Witch one is the
cheapest
I haven't done a comprehensive cost compare yet. They each have features that are add-ons that can impact the total cost. For example Veo has live streaming and Trace has something called TraceID. I don't know the pricing of the Hudl Flex Focus yet, its still on rolling out to the big clubs right now it seems. Each one also an annual subscription that can vary depending on how you use it. And the Pixellot and Veo you buy the camera but with Trace its more of a lease. So an apples to apples price comparison isn't straight forward. None of them are cheap : ) I am evaluating other options for teams that want to capture sports videos and these camera systems dont fit their budget.
Thank you
I suppose it’s better than nothing. So far away can barely see anything.
Here's an update, recorded the same game with Veo and Pix4Team last weekend. Here's a writeup of what I learned - soccerstripes.com/veo-camera-vs-pix4team-soccer/ and here's some comparison footage of Veo vs Pix4Team - th-cam.com/video/c4szf450D2U/w-d-xo.html I also did a different game with Veo and Trace so I'll share some clips of Veo vs Trace
No zoom? Disappointing
zooming😂😂
Veo is the worst program and company I have worked with. The camera is unreliable and the customer service is non-existent.
I can concur on this. Our sales rep got us to pay our $5k invoice then bounced. He messed up our subscription and we were only able to use 1 camera out of the 2 we purchased.
Support said they have nothing to do with subscription. Subscription took 48 hours for initial contact then found out they are in Denmark so European working style. Sign out at noon. The worse $5k we have ever purchased. The product itself is solid, meh on the platform and if possible, negative stars on support.
All 3 cameras don’t really do a great job to enhance the play by play capture of an individual player. If you look closely at all three you wouldn’t be able to tell the players you’re looking at. Can’t clearly see their faces and numbers. Maybe it’s a zooming issue with the camera. Also, why aren’t there automated commentary built in the camera given the huge price tag and ongoing subscription. All 3 cameras left more to be desired.