On the note of spirits regaining their memories, I think it's worth mentioning that Circus Baby has a noticeable change in characterization between Sister Location and FNAF 6. In Sister Location, she doesn't seem to regard herself as being the same as Elizabeth. It's not even made entirely clear that she's aware that she's possessed. However, in Pizzeria Simulator, she does seem to be aware that she's Elizabeth ("I will make you proud, daddy"). It's possible that this change could be because of Michael "putting her back together", like he says he did in the custom night monologue. Possibly he showed her where her body was taken at some point.
To me, Agony seems like a form of Remnant rather than a completely separate thing. Similar to the light and dark Remnant thing in the books. Agony is the extreme form of Remnant.
For a while the only theories i watched were Matpat's but now i enjoy RyeToast, ID's Fantasy, NotRealName NotAtAll, FuhNaff its really cool seeing all these creators all talk about FNAF but also talk about so many different things about the franchises and seeing them make videos together and even getting featured on GT live or mentioned
Yeah I hate the vast majority of podcasts in general not just fnaf related. But I like theory videos and I really like the fact that all of his videos he pulls in some kind of theorist or someone really big in the lore community. I will say some of these theorists need to take Scott coffin off of his Is pedestal though. Some of these theorists still think there's only been one single retcon in the entire series. I actually got into a pretty fierce debate with a theorizer because of my insistence that there has to have been more than one reckon for the story to work in today's setting.
@0potion tbf as far as actual "retcons" go, I think he has only done one, theres a difference between a retcon, and a directional shift, Scott leaves certain parts vague, only to touch back on them later trying to fit into a different esque story, like for example, someone could say, the canon ending of SB was retconned from burntrap to PQ, however we had no future material when Sb released, meaning they could pick up off of ANY ending, meaning that plot point was left vague until ruin, and not an actual "retcon"
@@SOULular My point is there has to be more than one in order for the court current story to work I'm not saying that he's reckoned at a million times like you're implying. It could have only been twice or maybe even 3 times total that he has done a retcon. And since I'm not honestly investEd Enough to pour through all the evidence that I have I'll just leave it at final 1 through 3 had a very different story from 1 through 4 which also had a very different story from the current one we have. For the current story to work He absolutely factually has to have reckoned his own story more than once.
@@0potion that's just scott taking his story into different directions, that's not what retcon is, in the current era of fnaf, he's covering a different story than back in the old days, because that old story is over, now its time for the new story, that's not retconning anything, the old events still happened, the only retcon you could argue is the mimic, if Tales turns out to be canon, but even then, he's just an addition to drive the current plot forward, he doesn't bring logical inconsistencies to the old story in anyway, those are still supposed to be interpreted they way they were before, it's just that now scott is implementing certain new character's origins during the old story, to continue the modern story
@@SOULular The story is not over because they're trying to reconnect to the mimic being underneath the pizza plex since the beginning somehow..... The mimic being where he is in ruin does not make sense if you look at the entire past. I'm gonna go ahead and say 2 of them right now since you keep fucking ignoring me the first was after dream theory, The second was helped one at when they decided to go ahead and say the first 6 games were no longer cannon. Those 2 things are not going in different directions those are literal retcons. And this is why map had just made that video calling out people like you. Cause others didn't you and the one theorizer that I got into an argument about this with all the other theorizers agree there's been more than 1 retcon. I'm done talking to you.
As someone looking into the layouts of every FNAF location to rebuild them in Minecraft, I can say with certainty that it's very reasonable to assume that the FNAF 4 house and old Fredbear's location where the Bite of '83 happened both easily fit inside the Pizzaplex. As long as the walk between the two we see in FNAF 4 is shorter than the walk in the underground we take in Freddy at the start of Security Breach in the tunnels (not a crazy thought), it's entirely reasonable to assume the Pizzaplex overtook the residential area. In fact, the Security Breach Sinkhole could easily be caused by the Sister location bunker partially collapsing, while leaving enough of it intact for Pizza Sim's location to fully fit. The Sister Location Bunker is deceptively massive, considering the animatronics are all massive.
@@GoyBenius_0901 Foxy is 5'9, Freddy is 6'0, Baby is 7'2, Ballora is 6'2. And Ennard is considered the tallest of all of them, although the wiki doesn't list a height.
William, formerly Purple Guy, stuffing the children into the suits was among the first theories, well before the book came out. No question about that one.
To add to Michael having the nightmares; ever since the movie trailers dropped it’s shown that he’s dreaming about the missing kids and events that happened in his childhood. To me I think Michael falls asleep during his shifts in Fnaf 1 (or after when he goes home) and experiences the nightmares the CC had when he was being tested on. It would explain the player in Fnaf 4 hearing the phone guy in the background and how Michael knows about Nightmare Freddy. As the books say when a spirit is attached to you, you can sometimes dream or remember that spirits memories. The CC popping in the office as Golden Freddy saying “It’s me” is him reaching out while also attaching himself to Michael or simply just projecting his memories while he sleeps. Idk it’s a bit of a stretch but I had that thought since the book came out. Glad to see I wasn’t super reaching
Nope not at all, they are not even remotely similar. The books are clearly written with the intent purpose to explain the lore better and clear things up, and is not bought by your average FNAF fan. The movie on the other hand is completely different, which will not only cater to your average FNAF fan, but even to the broader horror fan whose never heard of FNAF. The fact that Michael and Vanessa are alive and exist at the SAME TIME, should already tell us that this movie does NOT take place in the canon and does NOT correlate to the canon enough to be used as evidence for research. Also the fact that Michael is so much older than Abby makes no sense if Abby is a correlation to Elizabeth. I cannot stress how much we should take the information this movie gives us with A GRAIN OF SALT at best. @@nessie7306
yknow I've watched MatPat specifically since the beginning of fnaf but finding people like ID or Rye even FuhNaff is nice it's some new perspectives and takes on certain parts of the games its great! Keep up the good work! that goes all theorists reading this!
The problem with remnant is that originally it was described or alluded to it just being the possessed endos of the FNAF crew being melted down into something that Afton could use to inject into the Funtimes. It's similar to the Chucky sequels where new dolls get created while still using parts of the original doll that is still possessed, and thus bringing him back. The endos are melted and made to possess Funtime Freddy. It sorta made sense. The concept that remnant and agony can now come out of nowhere and posses things just because just throws logic and crap out the window.
Never thought I'd see another Child 's Play fan use Chucky to explain FNAF. 👌😌 I've been using Chucky splitting his soul into different dolls (and the ramifications that has on him) as a means to comprehend the "Soul/Remnant Splitting" that was introduced in the Silver Eyes trilogy.
I like the concept of that the Pizzaplex is just leaking out Agony and honestly it makes sense. Between all the recent disappearances and the fact that the Pizzaplex is built on a spiritual graveyard that has been the source of Agony since the beginning,
My only problem with Afton stuffing the kids is that the puppet becomes useless. You could say the puppet "guided" the souls into the animatronics, but every other possession in the series has happened without the puppet. The puppet didn't exists in the novels, and the animatronics still got possessed. In the games, Circus Baby and, hell, the puppet herself were possessed, and they didn't need anyone to "guide" them, so why would it be different in this one instance?
Rye already mentioned this in a short - the Puppet was acting like the grandma in Alone Together, helping those that may not realise they are dead find their remains/come to terms with their new existence as a ghost
@@ystacalden There isn't really any proof to that, or that the MCI "came to terms" with their death. If anything, chances are they're the only set of kids that didn't, as the MCI kids are the most animalistic out of all the possessed animatronics. Elizabeth is very intelligent and aware of her death, and the puppet didn't guide her. Once again, the puppet herself is self aware and intelligent, and no one guided her. The MCI are consistently the most animalistic animatroics out there, and it's clear they aren't self aware, which begs the question again -- What did the puppet do? Just making the puppet stuff the kids is simpler and doesn't cause any weird soul mechanics/book parallels.
I think my mind broke when ID talking about robot Vanessa. Not in a bad way at all, but like I never thought about it at all and it somehow makes sense? Just wow, in a good way
I really hope there is a world where you could do an episode with Sire Squawks sometime, he is probably one of the most underrated theorist in my opinion
That guy is a quack, he thinks cuz 3 different languages say the patient 46 is a girl, that means it cant be a boy despite... how many other languages saying it a boy? Oxhorn levels of w r o n g.
I was thinking the same thing!!! and if they did, they should do a character topic since his specialty is characters, their personal arcs and connections to the story. it would honestly be so fun
Something else interesting with Sire Squawks is that he's a massive supporter of the Puppet Stuff theory. Also, I want Shadow Stand to become well known as it's interesting
This was a nice listen! Here are some reasons why I think Gregory isnt the crying child let alone a robot: first off I want to say I think Gregory shares atributes to every member of the Afton Family, his appearance being c.c, him trusting to be alone with and going into the stomach hatch of freddy and want to make Afton happy being Elizabeth, his surviving the night in places like security offices, closibg doors and electrocuting etc being Michael, him destroying the animatronics and being kind of a killer being William and him wanting to escape from the Pizzaplex, something Fazbear related being Mrs Afton leaving William to dwell on his work. Now onto some points: • his appearance, I think Gregory made himself look like c.c to make William (or this possible A.I version of him) happy, the same way Vanessa/Vanny wore a bunny suit for him as his shirt is fazbear merchandise (and i wont be suprised if his shirt is actual merchandise of c.c. with Fnaf 4 being an in universe game an all. • The Therapy tapes talk about him having a great childhood with great parents and his angry reaction makes me believe what the therapist said was probably true. • the "I feel you are broken line" from freddy, judging by the unused voicelines, Gregory injured his arm and Freddy pointed out it was bleeding so the simple reason is that they didnt want to mention blood to keep it pg 12 the same way the took away Vannys Knife. Also, again with FNAF 4 being an in universe game, "broken" can be what animatronics refer to for an injured child. • Freddy saying "You look different to me" is the only thing he says about being beneath Gregorys skin, you'd think he'd say a lot more if he saw an endo beneath him. This is probably just Freddy seeing a skeleton for the first time or maybe even some sort of code (like the pink-purple code on the endos in ruin and green in Roxy). •Gregorys vision getting brighter and intense is probably due to some kind of signal released by Vannys mask as it doesnt seem to affect others (side note, I think Gregory probably has some kind of chip in his eyes like Cassie ended up getting). • His personality- genuinly his behaviour is nothing like crying child and the other animatronics keep their personality despite being under Vannys control (Roxy veing an example). Also, hearing William, Michael and Elizabeths voice, you'd assume Greg would have a relatively English sounding voice (we know this is possible as Afton perfected it with Biddybab in SL) • He doesnt cry at all (only visually in certain endings that arent real) [Though there are unused voicelines of him crying a little) • In the books, it is ALWAYS revealed who is a robot at the end and yet this doesnt happen for Gregory. You'd assume the first proper robot child would be presented in a relatively obvious way as there are people who dont read the books) • C.C doesnt really have a purpose to stick around as his death and was an accident and he didnt show any form of anger toward his father like Cassidy. • In the Security Breach Files it says "when he is an old dude, Gregory will remember this day fondly" • Controversial but- it says hes Human in the encyclodpedia •Greg is well...Evil while C.C was just a victim. • if he is a robot, where is his creator both throughout and post Security Breach)? • him eating the ice cream in the save Vanny ending is actually a direct contrast to c.cs fate, this could literally be showing how Gregory isnt c.c. • his Stamina increases from drinking Fizzyfaz • Why didnt he upgrade himself with the special features he took from the Glamrocks. • as said in one of my pervious point, behaviourly he is more like Michael, especially when he burns burntrap •Burntrap attacks Gregory, you'd think William or this A.K thinking its William would NOT want to hurt his child • Gregory being featured in the DLC and Vanessa saying "you'd make a great security guard" possible being forshadowing, hes clearly going to be a recurring protagonist or side character. With the GGY chapter and all, everything feels like Gregory has been drawn out to be his own character, the first FNAF living child to tackle everything. Those are my points, whoever reads this, please try to understand the point of view im coming from.
He act like Michael points toward him being a robot. Like Michael. Look at CC's sprite, CC's illustration in the Character Encyclopedia, and Gregory's model. Note the shirt, hair, and bandaid Then there's Scott telling us as bluntly as he possibly can in Dittophobia that CC's name is Rory. Which is a nickname for Gregory. And there's Mott and Rory in Sea Bonnies. Whose story parallels Michael and CC
Here’s my take to your take: Shouldn’t burn trap be pure remnant/agony at this point in the timeline? There should be no William, as, William is in ucm rn Why would Gregory, even assuming he knows he’s a robot, take upgrades for an animatronic that isn’t his own model, yet perfectly fits freddy, his loyal companion at hand Also whats stopping freddy from saying “i feel you are hurt” as opposed to broken, it would even make more grammatical sense, its too convenient Not to mention every therapist was killed so that gives way to things like if someone got too close to gregory’s identity, and ggy is what people think is the very thing eluding to this outcome
@@mandalynn1384some people dont realize how subtle and telling that part of the design is, rory’s special most iconic pose other than being hung from a bears mouth, is crying ON HIS KNEES🗣️🗣️🗣️
@@xenothekami888Valid, also, though I wouldn't like 'cause I'm of the opinion that he isn't a robot, you could argue that it could be a book Charlie situation, as in if Gregory is robot he doesn't necessarilly know he is
25:58 Imagine this im just kind of spitballing. so if the crying child went into a coma after the bite, he wouldnt have known where he actually died right? so maybe the reason he possessed golden freddy, is because his last memory is in the pizzeria? and the promise to put you back together, is william saying he will reunite his sons body with his soul since he knows how it works, but its too late and his spirit has already possesed the springlock suit and began looking for his body. then i can imagine the "its me" is him trying to get his fathers attention to show that his soul is in the suit, but his brother who we assume to be the guard in the first night, isnt aware of what he wants, and is unable to reunite the body with him? no clue im just thinking of stuff
A thing with the whole "something bad happened" When in Roxy Raceway and trying to find the Dance Pass, Freddy says something along the lines of "Guests tend to leave things behind in... emergency situations" What was that Emergency Situation?
I love so many of these FNAF theories, but ID has had some of the most amazing, grounded theories I have ever heard, in my opinion. The way her mind works is crazy. Though, the same can be said about all of the FNAF theorists. Love all of you guys. This was such a fun podcast discussion.
I love many theorists regardless of if I believe they're right, but Id's fantasy takes the cake because her theories make the most sense. They're the most believable in my opinion
I totally agree. It seems like a scale of sensible and reasonable theories (ID) to complete-madman conspiracy-theories (MatPat; just a joke, I still like a lot of his theories too).
For me I think remnant is more of the soul which is why characters that have it will have characteristics and the personality of whose ever soul was used to make it while agony it just the intense emotions felt by people that linger on because they are so intense which is why they won't really have a personality per say because it's just an intense emotion someone felt unlike a soul which makes up a person. So you could say that the first animatronics had remnant because it was the soul of the kids clinging to the suits with agony also maybe driving them to be violent as that emotion within the agony would have been things like pain, hate, scared etc.
Nice collab! Valid theories all ‘round. Personal thoughts: The merchandise around security breach depicts Vanessa and Vanny as two separate entities, especially in the statues. They likely are two separate physical beings, but Vanessa is a mimic of Vanny’s daytime persona.
Remnant sounds like exactly what the name means. Its a possessed material. What's left behind by a spirit. Charges and powered by it. Agony is powered by emotion. Strong negative emotions specifically. Neither are intelligent inherently. Something made of remnant or agony can be possessed but not necessarily. The charlie bots for example don't have charlies soul. But they're powered by remnant/agony.
I recommend Gibi's fnaf video he went super into depth about everything including remnant and I think that his video would help just so you know the video is 8 hours long so it's going to take a while
Thanks for that recommendation. Definitely will be checking that one out. I also recommend "FNAF: What is Remnant? (It's What It Sounds Like)" by puppy that was recently uploaded.
@RyeToast @IDsFantasy Breakdown on Remnant: *Basic Remnant; Book + Games* Remnant was described in Fourth Closet as being the Endoskeletons from the FNaF 1 robots--melted down into a "Molten" Form. Then it was injected INTO The Cables/Endo of the "Funtime Freddy"* in that book. We KNOW the FNaF 1 robots were always haunted. Because they're the older models from FNaF 2--which were the Original "Freddy's Family Pizza" in 1983~85. Since the Marionette placed the kids bodies in the old robots, the spirits couldn't really "move on", and were smashed together. So yes, Ennard had Remnant in it. Molten Freddy had Remnant in it. Michael had Remnant in him. Baby, Ballora, etc. had Remnant in them. The Animatronics that DON'T/DIDN'T have Remnant: - Spring-Lock Suits - Toys - Phantoms (Duh) - Nightmares/Twisted* - Rockstar - Mediocre Melodies - Trash & The Gang (+ Paper Pals) - Glamrocks** - Music Man (+ "Incarnations") *The Nightmares and Twisteds ARE STAFF Bots/Funtimes with Sound-Illusion Disks & Hallucinogenic Gas) **I don't think ANY of the Glamrocks have "Ghosts", but they have the Mimic/"Glitchtrap" in them.
I love the idea that "Alone Together" giving the context of the rules of hauntings explains that Crying Child actually experienced the events of FNAF 4, and michael had the nightmares about it because his brother is haunting him, I'd like to think that he's having those nightmares during the week that he's working in Circus Baby's Entertainment & Rentals
I've long assumed/headcanoned that the hallucinations were because ghosts. I mean, obviously the pictures on the posters and stuff aren't actually changing, but it just being your mind paying tricks on you feels weird, with how significant things like golden freddy are and how MUCH you hallucinate. Ghosts are often associated with illusions and seeing weird things, so it feels right. Also, boy would it be nice to get some characterisation of the characters in this franchise, I agree.
So glad to see ID Fantasy show up here! One thing to note about the CD is that they might be “real” in the VR sense. Ruin shows a lot of the Pizzaplex only exists in or out of VR (I actually have a whole theory that the VR world is actually FNAF World leaking into this one, and that FNAF World might be the “real” world so to speak). I can expand on that if interested
@@ceciliainsaurralde9926 copy and pasted from another comment I made on an ID Fantasy video: The afterlife of this universe seems to be - based on the evidence we have - not an afterlife at all, but some bizarre Digital Aether in the form of FNAF World. Charlie, Cassidy, and Old Man all seem to be connected to Afton's torture in UCM, with the easter egg being you get an achievement in FNAF World for visiting Old Man in UCM, which seems to be a realm in FNAF World under various Glitches. We also know that that real quest (the clock game) FNAFW correlates to the "number pad" in FNAF 3. FNAFW even leads to the lead up of Baby's existence. There is also some indication through the guidebook that Cassidy is the voice of Glitchbear and the spooky eyes of FNAFW. So, assuming it's not an afterlife so much as a Digital Aether, what does it matter? Well, I think FNAFW or the Digital Aether is creeping into another tier of reality as see in *Ruin*, but was actually hinted at with FNAF 3 and FNAF:PS. The "number pad" has already been mentioned, but in FNAF:PS the insanity ending involves realizing that the canon world is just a video game... just like how the FNAFW characters know that they are just video game characters. Come to Ruin and we've got teleportation portals, digital constructs that exist with or without the vanny mask on, MXES interacting with physical objects despite only being "code" (and his design feels reminiscent of FNAFW designs) and the Brazil ending is Cassy going insane (much like in FNAF:PS). We could also stretch it to other concepts: Remant/Agony? Shadow Bonnie/Shadow Freddie? The FNAF 3 Phantoms? The animatronics of AR? All of it could the Digital Aether of FNAF leaking into the "reality" of the canon games. Even the VR world from Help Wanted may be part of the Digital Aether/FNAF World reality, and that's why it's truly Afton as Glitchtrap - despite coming from mere code from old hard drives - and perhaps explains the entire game. Perhaps Crying Child (Or Evan I guess) was not supposed to die? Or was not supposed to inhabit Golden Freddy. He was supposed to ascend into this Digital Aether of FNAF World... but as the opening says, something went wrong. Perhaps it was Afton's insanity (or his descent into madness as FuhNaf likes to say) and agony that made him desperate in trying to bring back a "character" that wasn't supposed to exist anymore. To him he's just a grieving man trying to resurrect his son, but in truth, pulling him from the Digital Aether and back into his reality. We can even make a parallel to the Wet Floor Bots, and how they are called "souls" but are seen in the Digital World of the Mask. It's FNAFW and FNAF Canon bleeding into each other. The hauntings and such, his experiments with remnant and agony, his own "death" and various advances in technology... it's Afton (and Henry) slowly realizing that there is *something* beyond the veil they can access. Perhaps, even, this is the true goal of Fazbear Entertainment and whomever is running the show. Not just to spread the mimic or bring back Afton or even simply to murder kids. It's them trying to implant these Neural Chips into as many people as possible in order to make the bleed through spread. *Everyone* will experience an Insanity or Brazil Ending. (I was gonna say, "maybe the footprint at the window of Midnight Motorist isn't a real animatronic at all, but in fact a phantom one trying to warn whomever is in the room", but that may be too much of a stretch)
@@ridtom6055 Jesus Christ, that's so cool! Totally compelling. I like that it would explain Glitchtrap pretty well 'cause, I'll be honest, Afton's conciousness being a sort of virus never sat right with me
Another great podcast, it's great to get a general idea of where each major theorist is at on current topics, hopefully we can even get some smaller theorist on eventually. Maybe AstralSpiff???
@@Double_A8842 i agree Astralspiff is in another corner of the fanbase, but hopefully we get to episode 40+ where Rye talks to all sorts of FnaF content creators, maybe about projects they're doing with current FnaF media.
10:34 Yin is the black and Yang is the white. It's confusing because the symbol has the white tear first, so we think it's the first name (Yin) and it's actually the opposite.
For the Mike room: If someone was smart enough to "build the breath" and knows enough about the animatronics to already learn their weaknesses, what if they built that area as a hideout? Intentionally using the flash of the cam to hide that area, perhaps the illusion disks struggle with the same glitches as the animatronics, bright lights causing them to fail. I don't think that door means the place is fake, I think it is showing the creator knows how to hide it.
I just had a thought regarding the CDs you can only see once you have Roxy's eyes. What if Roxy is/has some prototype VR technology., only she can see them and she is the only animatronic that has a presence (Or at least parts) in the VR world.
One thought I had was that if Cassidy is truly in Princess Quest then Michael would likely be in a videogame as well (if you believe Michael is still around). Presumably, Michael was inside of the Balloon Boy arcade cabinets, which is the only arcade game other than Princess Quest that is highlighted as important. After beating the game and helping Gregory out of his Glitchtrap possession, Michael was then put through the AR network and funnelled into Glamrock Freddy, where he stayed until Security Breach. If you believe GlamMike, of course. That being said, wouldn't the same thing happen to Cassidy? After all, if what happened to Michael and Gregory was the same thing as what happened to Cassidy and Vanessa, then after Vanessa was freed Cassidy would be too, right? Freed into the AR network like Michael? Freed to perhaps, eventually be funneled into another Glamrock animatronic just like Michael was? Perhaps a certain wolf animatronic that is acting very differently in Ruin than she was in Security Breach? A wolf animatronic that was able to somehow reactivate itself after being shut down? A wolf animatronic that used to be completely overtaken by Glitchtrap in Security Breach, but somehow seems free of corruption by the time of Ruin? That's right, it's time for a Roxidy theory! Yes, this would mean that there are two major characters closely interacting with the names Cassie and Cassidy. Yes, it is confusing. Yes, it is something this franchise would do. Edit: Also, I totally agree with ID's answer to the final question! I would love to get some more characterization for these characters, which is part of why I love things fancreations and Game Theory's Ultimate Timeline, which show them in the narrative story and gives them all some character. It's also why I write fanfiction for this series: I have my own interpretations of them and their personalities and drives that I desperately want to be canon.
10:00 when thinking about Agony in the games, it's important to remember it looks like black tears: like the crying child sprites. I think the kids were in enough Agony to have both types of soul juice in the original robots.
One thing I want more in FNAF is the view from people outside the pizzerias. Like what where the reactions of the parents and society when the MCI happened
It's legit frustrating that we know nothing about these characters. We don't even know what the motivations of the main villain are. Canon or not, the FNAF movie is gonna be really helpful to the fandom, we can at least get a basic idea of who Michael and William are as people.
16:31 If you want a different perspective on the topic of Puppet stuffing the suits, a person named Sire Squacks did a pretty in-depth video about it. They also did a video about Shadow Freddy
My Personal take on the 'nightmare' experiments is that it happened only to Michael, and that was his punishment for killing Crying Child by William, while his friends were killed by William in the first MCI. William either couldn't bring himself to kill his own son, or thought death would have been to good for him. I would say crying child was simply afraid of the animatronics, probably already creeped out by them, or maybe one bad (non-bite related) experience combined with being able to see things behind the scenes, probably from his father or 'Uncle' Henry. I mean he's locked in one of the backrooms at one point right? Seeing 'body parts' all over the place along with the exposed endo skeletons. To make a real world comparison, Imagine a young child who loves Mickey Mouse and other Disney Characters getting into an employee only area and seeing a bunch of Mickey Mouse heads hanging up from hooks in various states of disrepair or seeing an entire human head sticking out of Goofy's mouth. I still believe that Crying Child was the first death of the Franchise, with either Susie or Charlie being the first murder. I also don't think that we 'play' as Michael in FNAF 1 or 2, I think we really do just play as Jeremey and Mike Schmidt.
I always had this au idea that vanny being more like glitchtrap (a digital ghost in the machine) but instead her physical form is the mask but she uses it to possess Vanessa because she needs a host body in order to be in the real world so in a way that would make them separate people while sharing the same body, but she can’t full take over and can only share control with Vanessa, Vanessa wouldn’t be aware of herself being possessed and would lose small parts of her memory and think she’s sleepwalking and the only way to free her is the separate the 2 of them and destroy the mask.
I think think for the Security Breach Endings to make sense, you have to retroactiely assume some of the stuff we saw was Altered Reality. Illusions being shown to Gregory either cause he was a robot, or something happened when entered Freddy. In SB however the virtual elements were place unobtrusively, so you wouldn't know they were there. Meaning Vanny may have consisted of a human host, and the digital being that became MXS or whatever it's called. The Firetrap ending was being used to show that the digital element was still trapped or unresolved, an AR ghost as it were.
The main problem with Will-stuff is, WHY would the animatronics be in the safe room, because one, they can’t go there, They shouldn’t be there, If William moved the animatronics into the safe room on camera, the bodies would have been found, the cops could have put 2 and 2 together in the investigation.
You both have a great rapport! This has been my favorite episode so far. It's great having you both offering different viewpoints without being attacking at all. Loved it.
The way that the door to the secret room with the wall code is found reminds me of ruins VR wall walking thru shenanigans. Additionally maybe the CDs are VR items and Rockies eyes allow Freddy to see VR.
So there was this thought that i had recently about sister location. On the TV in Michael's room(Security Breach) stands basket of exotic butters. Thing is, in sister location it can only appear when we do the 'fake' ending. So now it can go two routes. Either that confirms sister location being in universe game, or that ending we thought was not cannon, actually happened. Michael could still get scooped in this ending, either by ennard somehow grabbing him and transporting him back to the bunker, or doing it by himself. I know there is an argument to be made that Michael needs to be injected with remnant from scooper to posses his own corpse, but that can still happen by the first solution or Ennard injecting Michael with some of its own remnant, either by accident, or intentionally(maybe Elizabeth wanted Michael to live after scup). I don't really believe that to be true, as i sad it's just a thought. Also sorry for potential english mistakes(not native) or silly lore mistakes, i'm quite a new fan of FNAF. edit: it could also be supported by the fact that we unlock michael cutscenes after completing custom night challanges,(witch we unlock after 'fake' ending, witch would be kinda weird if it was unlockded by not cannon ending )
The dead kids in the save me minigame could be the mci victims bodies removed from the withereds which is hinted by into the pit and since the toys where built from pieces of the withereds it could mean that the mci victims influenced the toy animatronics aggression towards adults
From what I remember, Help Wanted 1 ALSO wasn't announced for Steam for the longest time, and people were scared then too, but it still came on release
It was 5am when I came up with this but is there a possibility that Michael is the head of Fazbear entertainment or at least built the PizzaPlex? We don't see him burn at the end of FNAF 6, and it could have been his way of exposing his father's actions. It would also explain a lot of the memorabilia connected to the Afton family, and why his room is so hidden if it isn't a hallucination. It would also make sense layout-wise with the Sister Location scooper likely being in ruin. In terms of help wanted, it would also make sense as the workers would know where to look; Michael could tell them as he has been to every location. He would also have power over who could join the company, which would explain the parallels between Vanessa/Elizabeth and Gregory/CC. If the possibility arises where Gregory is a robot this would make sense too, as a part of Michael would still want to honour his fathers wishes of "putting CC back together." Maybe there's a bit of a sibling rivalry between Michael essentially telling his story and Elizabeth wanting to impress William (Mimic being Elizabeth in this instance). The franchise is all he knows so if he is alive he'd likely still play a part in the company. Another point is Musicman being present in SB because it's not a well known character by any means, so why the CEO would choose him to be a part of the Pizzaplex is interesting. If this was in any way true I'm not saying Michael meant to create the virus, but I think it's a possibility nonetheless (much like most things with this franchise).
My idea is that possession is caused by a soul feeling agony, this agony latches onto the cause of the agony and once the soul is released from its body (death) the agony pulls the soul into the source of agony leading to possession
Perfect! Posted a little but before i came to work and now i can start the night off as normal...with a fnaf video 😂. Definitely one of my favorite youtubers!
When it came to Remnant I had always seen it as something along the lines of Ectoplasm mixed with metal that is then melted down to be usable and tengible again. It's not really a soul? At least I don't think so. But it cannot exist without it. My issue with potentially spliting actual suits is that it destroys the good ending of fnaf 3, where we reunite everyone to help put to rest the Crying Child, for it to happen. We must give him the birthday he never got. The others, minus Cassidy, already had what they needed when the killer was springlocked, but stayed for theirs friend to give him his happiest day, while the Puppet sticks around afterwards, probably because William survived the fire and intent to cause more harm. If the kids souls are indeed split in parts like some might suggest, then fnaf 3 and everything thus game represents as a whole no longer has purpose. Fnaf 3 is the end of the story of the kids, but not for William.
Listening to ID_Fantasy's thoughts on Vanessa being a robot due to her being on the roof during the fire exit. What if that Vanessa is the mimic and once Vanny is freed from Princess Quest, Greggory and Vanny seal it away knowing it is part of the Mimic/Glitchtrap virus
For the Shadows, I think theirs existance as always been linking toward the same idea since fnaf 2, just that the context has evolved over the years. However it might come into redcon territory a little bit. I think that the Shadows are a representation of the Killer's deeds. Shadow Freddy represents the first murders of 85, while Shadow Bonnie "maybe" represents the murders of 87. But here's the issue: Shadow Freddy looks like what he is because he was modeled after the suit of the killer, with the color associated with the killer. But William didn't use golden Freddy right? He did, not only was it suspected as earlier as fnaf 2, it was even confirmed in the Silver eyes. It even explains why the animatronics wanna stuff is in a freddy suit specificaly, as explained by phoneguy in fnaf 1 and 2, they wanna kill us by using the murder weapon, wich can also give another reason to Cassidy's anger, she litteraly became the weapon used to kill her. However fnaf 6 shows us that he used Spring Bonnie to lure and kill kids. But that dosn't fit then, prehaps he used both? Or it was just redconned. Another problem is Shadow Bonnie, He looks like Toy Bonnie, but dosn't at the same time, we call him a Shadow, but his official name and overall design just dosn't fit, he dosn't look like a shadow. Even worse is that he helps is free reunite the childrens at the end of fnaf 3. I think Shadow Bonnie was originaly a representation of the player back when only the first three games existed. His glitchy nature, fourth wall breaking habits might have an explaination if going on with this theory, but it cannot be cannon anymore.
Gonna put this out there but I hope that vanny comes back as a actual split personality of Vanessas, a coping system system of Vanessa’s, no freaky bunny man possession, due to the possible child murder vanny did
Emotional energy and 'Remnant' are actually two separate concepts! Remnant (containing the souls within) being a conductor of emotions produced by the souls within while agony being an emotion itself! :D This would make a scheme like this: Remnant: Bright remnant- positive emotions. Shadowy remnant- negative emotions.
I like how at this point we (as a community) have glossed over the fact that in order for the SB pizzaplex to be literally built on top of the Pizzaria Sim location literal millions of years would have had to happen between then and now or someone would have had to dig a big hole and shove the whole building into the ground..Maybe it's intended more as a metaphor of "this is the history that Fazzbear Entertainment is trying to bury" sort of thing. If that's true I don't think any ending involving going under the pizzaplex is literal.
It's really weird to suggest that William was doing experiments on the Crying Child. When would that be happening??? Michael I kind of get but even that's weird in that it'd be weird for him to want to go into the SL bunker for his dad if he was basically torturing him.
So my best friend's older sister actually has dissociative identity disorder, the "main" personality as it were has all memories, but most of the offshoots have either selective memories from the "main" one or none at all and only has their own. I have a feeling that if they are the same person, Vanessa has only some memories while Vanny has all memories.
Most cases I know, the main or host only has some memories and another alter serves as gatekeeper to protect them from traumatic memories, often the existance of whole alters who become a vessel for the trauma to keep the host functional it is a trauma response after all, a mechanism to somehow being able to move on when there is no way to actually process the trauma is available
When i think of the idea of reminit, its an impression that a soul leaves on object. This means that when someone dies they essentially attach themselves to an object. An example, if a grandparent passed away they attach themselves to their favorite chair that they passed away in. Even if the chair is reupholstered, grandma's love is still in the chair. As far as agony, its more of extension on this idea. Anger and fear changes the brain phycology and can change your experience and chemistry of death. So your soul is changing into an unrecognizable person, doing things you necessarily wouldnt do before. This could lead to impolse control issues and exacerbated emotions. Case in point, cassidy going to all end to destroy william even those its hurting her and other as well when she was all for helping everyone when she was alive.
I didn't know ID fantasy was a second wave fan. She seems like she has been there since the beginning
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Yay!! You brought ID! Can’t wait to watch the entire video while having dinner hajahaha
I'm glad I can assist in a dinner-and-a-show! ID was great!
On the note of spirits regaining their memories, I think it's worth mentioning that Circus Baby has a noticeable change in characterization between Sister Location and FNAF 6. In Sister Location, she doesn't seem to regard herself as being the same as Elizabeth. It's not even made entirely clear that she's aware that she's possessed. However, in Pizzeria Simulator, she does seem to be aware that she's Elizabeth ("I will make you proud, daddy").
It's possible that this change could be because of Michael "putting her back together", like he says he did in the custom night monologue. Possibly he showed her where her body was taken at some point.
To me, Agony seems like a form of Remnant rather than a completely separate thing. Similar to the light and dark Remnant thing in the books. Agony is the extreme form of Remnant.
If remnant is an energy source, agony is the toxic waste
@@therecombinant6215 Yeah. Basically, the pain and suffering created using dark Remnant is how I view it.
For a while the only theories i watched were Matpat's but now i enjoy RyeToast, ID's Fantasy, NotRealName NotAtAll, FuhNaff its really cool seeing all these creators all talk about FNAF but also talk about so many different things about the franchises and seeing them make videos together and even getting featured on GT live or mentioned
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This podcast's guests really are a who's who of FNAF theorists and I love it
Yeah I hate the vast majority of podcasts in general not just fnaf related. But I like theory videos and I really like the fact that all of his videos he pulls in some kind of theorist or someone really big in the lore community. I will say some of these theorists need to take Scott coffin off of his Is pedestal though. Some of these theorists still think there's only been one single retcon in the entire series. I actually got into a pretty fierce debate with a theorizer because of my insistence that there has to have been more than one reckon for the story to work in today's setting.
@0potion tbf as far as actual "retcons" go, I think he has only done one, theres a difference between a retcon, and a directional shift, Scott leaves certain parts vague, only to touch back on them later trying to fit into a different esque story, like for example, someone could say, the canon ending of SB was retconned from burntrap to PQ, however we had no future material when Sb released, meaning they could pick up off of ANY ending, meaning that plot point was left vague until ruin, and not an actual "retcon"
@@SOULular My point is there has to be more than one in order for the court current story to work I'm not saying that he's reckoned at a million times like you're implying. It could have only been twice or maybe even 3 times total that he has done a retcon. And since I'm not honestly investEd Enough to pour through all the evidence that I have I'll just leave it at final 1 through 3 had a very different story from 1 through 4 which also had a very different story from the current one we have. For the current story to work He absolutely factually has to have reckoned his own story more than once.
@@0potion that's just scott taking his story into different directions, that's not what retcon is, in the current era of fnaf, he's covering a different story than back in the old days, because that old story is over, now its time for the new story, that's not retconning anything, the old events still happened, the only retcon you could argue is the mimic, if Tales turns out to be canon, but even then, he's just an addition to drive the current plot forward, he doesn't bring logical inconsistencies to the old story in anyway, those are still supposed to be interpreted they way they were before, it's just that now scott is implementing certain new character's origins during the old story, to continue the modern story
@@SOULular The story is not over because they're trying to reconnect to the mimic being underneath the pizza plex since the beginning somehow..... The mimic being where he is in ruin does not make sense if you look at the entire past. I'm gonna go ahead and say 2 of them right now since you keep fucking ignoring me the first was after dream theory, The second was helped one at when they decided to go ahead and say the first 6 games were no longer cannon. Those 2 things are not going in different directions those are literal retcons. And this is why map had just made that video calling out people like you. Cause others didn't you and the one theorizer that I got into an argument about this with all the other theorizers agree there's been more than 1 retcon. I'm done talking to you.
As someone looking into the layouts of every FNAF location to rebuild them in Minecraft, I can say with certainty that it's very reasonable to assume that the FNAF 4 house and old Fredbear's location where the Bite of '83 happened both easily fit inside the Pizzaplex. As long as the walk between the two we see in FNAF 4 is shorter than the walk in the underground we take in Freddy at the start of Security Breach in the tunnels (not a crazy thought), it's entirely reasonable to assume the Pizzaplex overtook the residential area. In fact, the Security Breach Sinkhole could easily be caused by the Sister location bunker partially collapsing, while leaving enough of it intact for Pizza Sim's location to fully fit. The Sister Location Bunker is deceptively massive, considering the animatronics are all massive.
Funtime Foxy is like 5'2 it's Ballora,Freddy and ESPECIALLY Baby who are like 7ft tall.
@@GoyBenius_0901 Foxy is 5'9, Freddy is 6'0, Baby is 7'2, Ballora is 6'2. And Ennard is considered the tallest of all of them, although the wiki doesn't list a height.
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You make an extremely valid point
William, formerly Purple Guy, stuffing the children into the suits was among the first theories, well before the book came out. No question about that one.
Yeah, absolutly, before the puppet was a thing with the paper articles and all
To add to Michael having the nightmares; ever since the movie trailers dropped it’s shown that he’s dreaming about the missing kids and events that happened in his childhood. To me I think Michael falls asleep during his shifts in Fnaf 1 (or after when he goes home) and experiences the nightmares the CC had when he was being tested on. It would explain the player in Fnaf 4 hearing the phone guy in the background and how Michael knows about Nightmare Freddy. As the books say when a spirit is attached to you, you can sometimes dream or remember that spirits memories. The CC popping in the office as Golden Freddy saying “It’s me” is him reaching out while also attaching himself to Michael or simply just projecting his memories while he sleeps. Idk it’s a bit of a stretch but I had that thought since the book came out. Glad to see I wasn’t super reaching
Bro this is genius
Just be careful about using the movie to back up your claims, we shouldn't be taking the movie as evidence for anything relating to canonical FNAF.
@@Nerd_Warehouseif we can use the books, I'd say it's okay to use the movies
Nope not at all, they are not even remotely similar. The books are clearly written with the intent purpose to explain the lore better and clear things up, and is not bought by your average FNAF fan. The movie on the other hand is completely different, which will not only cater to your average FNAF fan, but even to the broader horror fan whose never heard of FNAF. The fact that Michael and Vanessa are alive and exist at the SAME TIME, should already tell us that this movie does NOT take place in the canon and does NOT correlate to the canon enough to be used as evidence for research. Also the fact that Michael is so much older than Abby makes no sense if Abby is a correlation to Elizabeth. I cannot stress how much we should take the information this movie gives us with A GRAIN OF SALT at best. @@nessie7306
Fnaf theorists in a chill environment outside of the usual theory format is really refreshing
I'm glad you got her on the podcast! I'm excited to hear what you guys have to say about this topic! :D
1:00:13 My brain immediately went "Aliens be like" and now I wish I was the bite victim
Wait, which bite victim?
yknow I've watched MatPat specifically since the beginning of fnaf but finding people like ID or Rye even FuhNaff is nice it's some new perspectives and takes on certain parts of the games its great! Keep up the good work! that goes all theorists reading this!
Yeah!
Plus they don't call everyone a robot
@@brassjet3009 IT WAS ONE TIME (if you forget all the other times he's done that) WRYYYYY-
Was waiting for the podcast that had ID on it! Let's gooo!
You know it!
This has got to be my favorite series to listen too. It’s like a long, unhinged FNAF theory every time and I’m totally here for it. Thanks Rye!
The problem with remnant is that originally it was described or alluded to it just being the possessed endos of the FNAF crew being melted down into something that Afton could use to inject into the Funtimes. It's similar to the Chucky sequels where new dolls get created while still using parts of the original doll that is still possessed, and thus bringing him back. The endos are melted and made to possess Funtime Freddy. It sorta made sense.
The concept that remnant and agony can now come out of nowhere and posses things just because just throws logic and crap out the window.
Never thought I'd see another Child 's Play fan use Chucky to explain FNAF. 👌😌
I've been using Chucky splitting his soul into different dolls (and the ramifications that has on him) as a means to comprehend the "Soul/Remnant Splitting" that was introduced in the Silver Eyes trilogy.
I like the concept of that the Pizzaplex is just leaking out Agony and honestly it makes sense. Between all the recent disappearances and the fact that the Pizzaplex is built on a spiritual graveyard that has been the source of Agony since the beginning,
My only problem with Afton stuffing the kids is that the puppet becomes useless. You could say the puppet "guided" the souls into the animatronics, but every other possession in the series has happened without the puppet. The puppet didn't exists in the novels, and the animatronics still got possessed. In the games, Circus Baby and, hell, the puppet herself were possessed, and they didn't need anyone to "guide" them, so why would it be different in this one instance?
agreed
Rye already mentioned this in a short - the Puppet was acting like the grandma in Alone Together, helping those that may not realise they are dead find their remains/come to terms with their new existence as a ghost
@@ystacalden There isn't really any proof to that, or that the MCI "came to terms" with their death. If anything, chances are they're the only set of kids that didn't, as the MCI kids are the most animalistic out of all the possessed animatronics. Elizabeth is very intelligent and aware of her death, and the puppet didn't guide her. Once again, the puppet herself is self aware and intelligent, and no one guided her. The MCI are consistently the most animalistic animatroics out there, and it's clear they aren't self aware, which begs the question again -- What did the puppet do? Just making the puppet stuff the kids is simpler and doesn't cause any weird soul mechanics/book parallels.
@@qualitytimewithted5160 They are animalistic, well except for Cassidy.
I think my mind broke when ID talking about robot Vanessa. Not in a bad way at all, but like I never thought about it at all and it somehow makes sense? Just wow, in a good way
I really hope there is a world where you could do an episode with Sire Squawks sometime, he is probably one of the most underrated theorist in my opinion
His theories are good but the comic concerns me
That guy is a quack, he thinks cuz 3 different languages say the patient 46 is a girl, that means it cant be a boy despite... how many other languages saying it a boy?
Oxhorn levels of w r o n g.
I was thinking the same thing!!! and if they did, they should do a character topic since his specialty is characters, their personal arcs and connections to the story. it would honestly be so fun
@@tonnentonie2767What's wrong with the comic (other than the paneling which often confuses me)?
Something else interesting with Sire Squawks is that he's a massive supporter of the Puppet Stuff theory. Also, I want Shadow Stand to become well known as it's interesting
This was a nice listen! Here are some reasons why I think Gregory isnt the crying child let alone a robot: first off I want to say I think Gregory shares atributes to every member of the Afton Family, his appearance being c.c, him trusting to be alone with and going into the stomach hatch of freddy and want to make Afton happy being Elizabeth, his surviving the night in places like security offices, closibg doors and electrocuting etc being Michael, him destroying the animatronics and being kind of a killer being William and him wanting to escape from the Pizzaplex, something Fazbear related being Mrs Afton leaving William to dwell on his work. Now onto some points:
• his appearance, I think Gregory made himself look like c.c to make William (or this possible A.I version of him) happy, the same way Vanessa/Vanny wore a bunny suit for him as his shirt is fazbear merchandise (and i wont be suprised if his shirt is actual merchandise of c.c. with Fnaf 4 being an in universe game an all.
• The Therapy tapes talk about him having a great childhood with great parents and his angry reaction makes me believe what the therapist said was probably true.
• the "I feel you are broken line" from freddy, judging by the unused voicelines, Gregory injured his arm and Freddy pointed out it was bleeding so the simple reason is that they didnt want to mention blood to keep it pg 12 the same way the took away Vannys Knife. Also, again with FNAF 4 being an in universe game, "broken" can be what animatronics refer to for an injured child.
• Freddy saying "You look different to me" is the only thing he says about being beneath Gregorys skin, you'd think he'd say a lot more if he saw an endo beneath him. This is probably just Freddy seeing a skeleton for the first time or maybe even some sort of code (like the pink-purple code on the endos in ruin and green in Roxy).
•Gregorys vision getting brighter and intense is probably due to some kind of signal released by Vannys mask as it doesnt seem to affect others (side note, I think Gregory probably has some kind of chip in his eyes like Cassie ended up getting).
• His personality- genuinly his behaviour is nothing like crying child and the other animatronics keep their personality despite being under Vannys control (Roxy veing an example). Also, hearing William, Michael and Elizabeths voice, you'd assume Greg would have a relatively English sounding voice (we know this is possible as Afton perfected it with Biddybab in SL)
• He doesnt cry at all (only visually in certain endings that arent real) [Though there are unused voicelines of him crying a little)
• In the books, it is ALWAYS revealed who is a robot at the end and yet this doesnt happen for Gregory. You'd assume the first proper robot child would be presented in a relatively obvious way as there are people who dont read the books)
• C.C doesnt really have a purpose to stick around as his death and was an accident and he didnt show any form of anger toward his father like Cassidy.
• In the Security Breach Files it says "when he is an old dude, Gregory will remember this day fondly"
• Controversial but- it says hes Human in the encyclodpedia
•Greg is well...Evil while C.C was just a victim.
• if he is a robot, where is his creator both throughout and post Security Breach)?
• him eating the ice cream in the save Vanny ending is actually a direct contrast to c.cs fate, this could literally be showing how Gregory isnt c.c.
• his Stamina increases from drinking Fizzyfaz
• Why didnt he upgrade himself with the special features he took from the Glamrocks.
• as said in one of my pervious point, behaviourly he is more like Michael, especially when he burns burntrap
•Burntrap attacks Gregory, you'd think William or this A.K thinking its William would NOT want to hurt his child
• Gregory being featured in the DLC and Vanessa saying "you'd make a great security guard" possible being forshadowing, hes clearly going to be a recurring protagonist or side character. With the GGY chapter and all, everything feels like Gregory has been drawn out to be his own character, the first FNAF living child to tackle everything.
Those are my points, whoever reads this, please try to understand the point of view im coming from.
He act like Michael points toward him being a robot. Like Michael.
Look at CC's sprite, CC's illustration in the Character Encyclopedia, and Gregory's model. Note the shirt, hair, and bandaid
Then there's Scott telling us as bluntly as he possibly can in Dittophobia that CC's name is Rory. Which is a nickname for Gregory. And there's Mott and Rory in Sea Bonnies. Whose story parallels Michael and CC
Here’s my take to your take:
Shouldn’t burn trap be pure remnant/agony at this point in the timeline? There should be no William, as, William is in ucm rn
Why would Gregory, even assuming he knows he’s a robot, take upgrades for an animatronic that isn’t his own model, yet perfectly fits freddy, his loyal companion at hand
Also whats stopping freddy from saying “i feel you are hurt” as opposed to broken, it would even make more grammatical sense, its too convenient
Not to mention every therapist was killed so that gives way to things like if someone got too close to gregory’s identity, and ggy is what people think is the very thing eluding to this outcome
@@mandalynn1384some people dont realize how subtle and telling that part of the design is, rory’s special most iconic pose other than being hung from a bears mouth, is crying ON HIS KNEES🗣️🗣️🗣️
@@xenothekami888Valid, also, though I wouldn't like 'cause I'm of the opinion that he isn't a robot, you could argue that it could be a book Charlie situation, as in if Gregory is robot he doesn't necessarilly know he is
@@ceciliainsaurralde9926 i love the theorist community man still wholesome as always :)
25:58 Imagine this im just kind of spitballing.
so if the crying child went into a coma after the bite, he wouldnt have known where he actually died right? so maybe the reason he possessed golden freddy, is because his last memory is in the pizzeria? and the promise to put you back together, is william saying he will reunite his sons body with his soul since he knows how it works, but its too late and his spirit has already possesed the springlock suit and began looking for his body. then i can imagine the "its me" is him trying to get his fathers attention to show that his soul is in the suit, but his brother who we assume to be the guard in the first night, isnt aware of what he wants, and is unable to reunite the body with him?
no clue im just thinking of stuff
A thing with the whole "something bad happened" When in Roxy Raceway and trying to find the Dance Pass, Freddy says something along the lines of "Guests tend to leave things behind in... emergency situations"
What was that Emergency Situation?
Vanessa being a robot would explain there being a Security Guard Vanessa watching the body of the fallen Vanny from the rooftop.
I love so many of these FNAF theories, but ID has had some of the most amazing, grounded theories I have ever heard, in my opinion. The way her mind works is crazy.
Though, the same can be said about all of the FNAF theorists. Love all of you guys.
This was such a fun podcast discussion.
I love many theorists regardless of if I believe they're right, but Id's fantasy takes the cake because her theories make the most sense. They're the most believable in my opinion
I totally agree.
It seems like a scale of sensible and reasonable theories (ID) to complete-madman conspiracy-theories (MatPat; just a joke, I still like a lot of his theories too).
For me I think remnant is more of the soul which is why characters that have it will have characteristics and the personality of whose ever soul was used to make it while agony it just the intense emotions felt by people that linger on because they are so intense which is why they won't really have a personality per say because it's just an intense emotion someone felt unlike a soul which makes up a person. So you could say that the first animatronics had remnant because it was the soul of the kids clinging to the suits with agony also maybe driving them to be violent as that emotion within the agony would have been things like pain, hate, scared etc.
Nice collab! Valid theories all ‘round.
Personal thoughts: The merchandise around security breach depicts Vanessa and Vanny as two separate entities, especially in the statues. They likely are two separate physical beings, but Vanessa is a mimic of Vanny’s daytime persona.
Remnant sounds like exactly what the name means. Its a possessed material. What's left behind by a spirit. Charges and powered by it.
Agony is powered by emotion. Strong negative emotions specifically.
Neither are intelligent inherently. Something made of remnant or agony can be possessed but not necessarily. The charlie bots for example don't have charlies soul. But they're powered by remnant/agony.
I recommend Gibi's fnaf video he went super into depth about everything including remnant and I think that his video would help just so you know the video is 8 hours long so it's going to take a while
Thanks for that recommendation. Definitely will be checking that one out.
I also recommend "FNAF: What is Remnant? (It's What It Sounds Like)" by puppy that was recently uploaded.
Delighted noise when ID heard the outro XD. I do love how this podcast gathers all the new was theorists so fun
@RyeToast @IDsFantasy
Breakdown on Remnant:
*Basic Remnant; Book + Games*
Remnant was described in Fourth Closet as being the Endoskeletons from the FNaF 1 robots--melted down into a "Molten" Form.
Then it was injected INTO The Cables/Endo of the "Funtime Freddy"* in that book.
We KNOW the FNaF 1 robots were always haunted. Because they're the older models from FNaF 2--which were the Original "Freddy's Family Pizza" in 1983~85.
Since the Marionette placed the kids bodies in the old robots, the spirits couldn't really "move on", and were smashed together.
So yes, Ennard had Remnant in it.
Molten Freddy had Remnant in it.
Michael had Remnant in him.
Baby, Ballora, etc. had Remnant in them.
The Animatronics that DON'T/DIDN'T have Remnant:
- Spring-Lock Suits
- Toys
- Phantoms (Duh)
- Nightmares/Twisted*
- Rockstar
- Mediocre Melodies
- Trash & The Gang (+ Paper Pals)
- Glamrocks**
- Music Man (+ "Incarnations")
*The Nightmares and Twisteds ARE STAFF Bots/Funtimes with Sound-Illusion Disks & Hallucinogenic Gas)
**I don't think ANY of the Glamrocks have "Ghosts", but they have the Mimic/"Glitchtrap" in them.
I love the idea that "Alone Together" giving the context of the rules of hauntings explains that Crying Child actually experienced the events of FNAF 4, and michael had the nightmares about it because his brother is haunting him, I'd like to think that he's having those nightmares during the week that he's working in Circus Baby's Entertainment & Rentals
The chemistry here is real fun. I'd love to hear more of you two talking about FNAF!
I've long assumed/headcanoned that the hallucinations were because ghosts. I mean, obviously the pictures on the posters and stuff aren't actually changing, but it just being your mind paying tricks on you feels weird, with how significant things like golden freddy are and how MUCH you hallucinate. Ghosts are often associated with illusions and seeing weird things, so it feels right.
Also, boy would it be nice to get some characterisation of the characters in this franchise, I agree.
So glad to see ID Fantasy show up here!
One thing to note about the CD is that they might be “real” in the VR sense. Ruin shows a lot of the Pizzaplex only exists in or out of VR (I actually have a whole theory that the VR world is actually FNAF World leaking into this one, and that FNAF World might be the “real” world so to speak). I can expand on that if interested
That sounds interesting! Would you expand on it?
@@ceciliainsaurralde9926 copy and pasted from another comment I made on an ID Fantasy video:
The afterlife of this universe seems to be - based on the evidence we have - not an afterlife at all, but some bizarre Digital Aether in the form of FNAF World.
Charlie, Cassidy, and Old Man all seem to be connected to Afton's torture in UCM, with the easter egg being you get an achievement in FNAF World for visiting Old Man in UCM, which seems to be a realm in FNAF World under various Glitches. We also know that that real quest (the clock game) FNAFW correlates to the "number pad" in FNAF 3. FNAFW even leads to the lead up of Baby's existence. There is also some indication through the guidebook that Cassidy is the voice of Glitchbear and the spooky eyes of FNAFW.
So, assuming it's not an afterlife so much as a Digital Aether, what does it matter? Well, I think FNAFW or the Digital Aether is creeping into another tier of reality as see in *Ruin*, but was actually hinted at with FNAF 3 and FNAF:PS. The "number pad" has already been mentioned, but in FNAF:PS the insanity ending involves realizing that the canon world is just a video game... just like how the FNAFW characters know that they are just video game characters. Come to Ruin and we've got teleportation portals, digital constructs that exist with or without the vanny mask on, MXES interacting with physical objects despite only being "code" (and his design feels reminiscent of FNAFW designs) and the Brazil ending is Cassy going insane (much like in FNAF:PS).
We could also stretch it to other concepts: Remant/Agony? Shadow Bonnie/Shadow Freddie? The FNAF 3 Phantoms? The animatronics of AR? All of it could the Digital Aether of FNAF leaking into the "reality" of the canon games. Even the VR world from Help Wanted may be part of the Digital Aether/FNAF World reality, and that's why it's truly Afton as Glitchtrap - despite coming from mere code from old hard drives - and perhaps explains the entire game.
Perhaps Crying Child (Or Evan I guess) was not supposed to die? Or was not supposed to inhabit Golden Freddy. He was supposed to ascend into this Digital Aether of FNAF World... but as the opening says, something went wrong. Perhaps it was Afton's insanity (or his descent into madness as FuhNaf likes to say) and agony that made him desperate in trying to bring back a "character" that wasn't supposed to exist anymore. To him he's just a grieving man trying to resurrect his son, but in truth, pulling him from the Digital Aether and back into his reality. We can even make a parallel to the Wet Floor Bots, and how they are called "souls" but are seen in the Digital World of the Mask. It's FNAFW and FNAF Canon bleeding into each other.
The hauntings and such, his experiments with remnant and agony, his own "death" and various advances in technology... it's Afton (and Henry) slowly realizing that there is *something* beyond the veil they can access. Perhaps, even, this is the true goal of Fazbear Entertainment and whomever is running the show. Not just to spread the mimic or bring back Afton or even simply to murder kids.
It's them trying to implant these Neural Chips into as many people as possible in order to make the bleed through spread. *Everyone* will experience an Insanity or Brazil Ending.
(I was gonna say, "maybe the footprint at the window of Midnight Motorist isn't a real animatronic at all, but in fact a phantom one trying to warn whomever is in the room", but that may be too much of a stretch)
@@ridtom6055 Jesus Christ, that's so cool! Totally compelling. I like that it would explain Glitchtrap pretty well 'cause, I'll be honest, Afton's conciousness being a sort of virus never sat right with me
@@ridtom6055I would like to point out that theres nothing about video games in the Insanity Ending
@@gold571 I must heave misremembered
Another great podcast, it's great to get a general idea of where each major theorist is at on current topics, hopefully we can even get some smaller theorist on eventually.
Maybe AstralSpiff???
I love astralspiff, but he’s more of a gameplay/mechanics guys than a theorist. Though it would be funny for toast to try to explain to him the lore
@@Double_A8842 i agree Astralspiff is in another corner of the fanbase, but hopefully we get to episode 40+ where Rye talks to all sorts of FnaF content creators, maybe about projects they're doing with current FnaF media.
10:34 Yin is the black and Yang is the white. It's confusing because the symbol has the white tear first, so we think it's the first name (Yin) and it's actually the opposite.
For the Mike room:
If someone was smart enough to "build the breath" and knows enough about the animatronics to already learn their weaknesses, what if they built that area as a hideout?
Intentionally using the flash of the cam to hide that area, perhaps the illusion disks struggle with the same glitches as the animatronics, bright lights causing them to fail.
I don't think that door means the place is fake, I think it is showing the creator knows how to hide it.
I just had a thought regarding the CDs you can only see once you have Roxy's eyes. What if Roxy is/has some prototype VR technology., only she can see them and she is the only animatronic that has a presence (Or at least parts) in the VR world.
I’m actually making pizza for dinner as I listen to this 😂
One thought I had was that if Cassidy is truly in Princess Quest then Michael would likely be in a videogame as well (if you believe Michael is still around). Presumably, Michael was inside of the Balloon Boy arcade cabinets, which is the only arcade game other than Princess Quest that is highlighted as important. After beating the game and helping Gregory out of his Glitchtrap possession, Michael was then put through the AR network and funnelled into Glamrock Freddy, where he stayed until Security Breach. If you believe GlamMike, of course.
That being said, wouldn't the same thing happen to Cassidy? After all, if what happened to Michael and Gregory was the same thing as what happened to Cassidy and Vanessa, then after Vanessa was freed Cassidy would be too, right? Freed into the AR network like Michael? Freed to perhaps, eventually be funneled into another Glamrock animatronic just like Michael was? Perhaps a certain wolf animatronic that is acting very differently in Ruin than she was in Security Breach? A wolf animatronic that was able to somehow reactivate itself after being shut down? A wolf animatronic that used to be completely overtaken by Glitchtrap in Security Breach, but somehow seems free of corruption by the time of Ruin?
That's right, it's time for a Roxidy theory! Yes, this would mean that there are two major characters closely interacting with the names Cassie and Cassidy. Yes, it is confusing. Yes, it is something this franchise would do.
Edit: Also, I totally agree with ID's answer to the final question! I would love to get some more characterization for these characters, which is part of why I love things fancreations and Game Theory's Ultimate Timeline, which show them in the narrative story and gives them all some character. It's also why I write fanfiction for this series: I have my own interpretations of them and their personalities and drives that I desperately want to be canon.
10:00 when thinking about Agony in the games, it's important to remember it looks like black tears: like the crying child sprites. I think the kids were in enough Agony to have both types of soul juice in the original robots.
Ayo?! ID's Fantasy will be doing a Midnight Motorist video????!!!! 👀
Yes! I love her theories, it’s good to have her on the podcast!
You Rye, you gotta try to get Sire Squawks on the next one if you can. He gives such a unique and deep approach to theorizing!
Yes!!! I've been HOPING you two would do a video. The excitement is real
One thing I want more in FNAF is the view from people outside the pizzerias. Like what where the reactions of the parents and society when the MCI happened
It's legit frustrating that we know nothing about these characters. We don't even know what the motivations of the main villain are.
Canon or not, the FNAF movie is gonna be really helpful to the fandom, we can at least get a basic idea of who Michael and William are as people.
Using Roxy's eyes to see the therapy CD's can be connected to Roxy being on the VANNI network being a node and all
16:31 If you want a different perspective on the topic of Puppet stuffing the suits, a person named Sire Squacks did a pretty in-depth video about it. They also did a video about Shadow Freddy
My Personal take on the 'nightmare' experiments is that it happened only to Michael, and that was his punishment for killing Crying Child by William, while his friends were killed by William in the first MCI. William either couldn't bring himself to kill his own son, or thought death would have been to good for him.
I would say crying child was simply afraid of the animatronics, probably already creeped out by them, or maybe one bad (non-bite related) experience combined with being able to see things behind the scenes, probably from his father or 'Uncle' Henry. I mean he's locked in one of the backrooms at one point right? Seeing 'body parts' all over the place along with the exposed endo skeletons. To make a real world comparison, Imagine a young child who loves Mickey Mouse and other Disney Characters getting into an employee only area and seeing a bunch of Mickey Mouse heads hanging up from hooks in various states of disrepair or seeing an entire human head sticking out of Goofy's mouth.
I still believe that Crying Child was the first death of the Franchise, with either Susie or Charlie being the first murder.
I also don't think that we 'play' as Michael in FNAF 1 or 2, I think we really do just play as Jeremey and Mike Schmidt.
45:13 I love everything that's being said here
It’s an interesting theory on how remnant works cause it seems like someone needs to die before remnant can be taken from the body
because by definition remnant is "what remains", in this case, after death.
@@Sayne7 true
so... remnant is to animatronics what ectoplasm is to ghost?
Kind of
@@RyeToast right? somehow I had to think of that as soon as I read about the remnant-thingy the first time.
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I always had this au idea that vanny being more like glitchtrap (a digital ghost in the machine) but instead her physical form is the mask but she uses it to possess Vanessa because she needs a host body in order to be in the real world so in a way that would make them separate people while sharing the same body, but she can’t full take over and can only share control with Vanessa, Vanessa wouldn’t be aware of herself being possessed and would lose small parts of her memory and think she’s sleepwalking and the only way to free her is the separate the 2 of them and destroy the mask.
I think think for the Security Breach Endings to make sense, you have to retroactiely assume some of the stuff we saw was Altered Reality. Illusions being shown to Gregory either cause he was a robot, or something happened when entered Freddy. In SB however the virtual elements were place unobtrusively, so you wouldn't know they were there. Meaning Vanny may have consisted of a human host, and the digital being that became MXS or whatever it's called.
The Firetrap ending was being used to show that the digital element was still trapped or unresolved, an AR ghost as it were.
I love ID! glad you co-videod
My two favorite creators together ?!?! 😂 I love you guys so much! ❤
Very interesting discussion, great to see two big fnaf theorists talking together.
Can we have an episode with sire squaks?
It's a right of passage for a FNAF Theorist to do a timeline video.
The main problem with Will-stuff is, WHY would the animatronics be in the safe room,
because one, they can’t go there,
They shouldn’t be there,
If William moved the animatronics into the safe room on camera, the bodies would have been found, the cops could have put 2 and 2 together in the investigation.
I think the idea is cool and was probably what was intended in fnaf 1, but has never been past fnaf 2 (minus silver eyes)
I've actually really been enjoying the podcast lately. keep it up 👍
Don't forget the puppet was also in fnaf 3. You got a hallucination jump scare, but the puppet was physically in the building.
What about mangle? He also didn't jumpscare you
@@allinory What about it?
ID’s Fantasy is such a welcome addition to the theorist community, I love her sm
You both have a great rapport! This has been my favorite episode so far. It's great having you both offering different viewpoints without being attacking at all. Loved it.
The way that the door to the secret room with the wall code is found reminds me of ruins VR wall walking thru shenanigans. Additionally maybe the CDs are VR items and Rockies eyes allow Freddy to see VR.
So there was this thought that i had recently about sister location. On the TV in Michael's room(Security Breach) stands basket of exotic butters.
Thing is, in sister location it can only appear when we do the 'fake' ending. So now it can go two routes. Either that confirms sister location being in universe game, or that ending we thought was not cannon, actually happened. Michael could still get scooped in this ending, either by ennard somehow grabbing him and transporting him back to the bunker, or doing it by himself. I know there is an argument to be made that Michael needs to be injected with remnant from scooper to posses his own corpse, but that can still happen by the first solution or Ennard injecting Michael with some of its own remnant, either by accident, or intentionally(maybe Elizabeth wanted Michael to live after scup). I don't really believe that to be true, as i sad it's just a thought. Also sorry for potential english mistakes(not native) or silly lore mistakes, i'm quite a new fan of FNAF.
edit: it could also be supported by the fact that we unlock michael cutscenes after completing custom night challanges,(witch we unlock after 'fake' ending, witch would be kinda weird if it was unlockded by not cannon ending )
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26:38 Perfect explanation, new head cannon!
As someone who's been into FNAF since 2016, I can confirm that it is true that I still know absolutely nothing about it 😍
I think that's where everyone is at this point. We know everything but at the same time we know nothing.
The dead kids in the save me minigame could be the mci victims bodies removed from the withereds which is hinted by into the pit and since the toys where built from pieces of the withereds it could mean that the mci victims influenced the toy animatronics aggression towards adults
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From what I remember, Help Wanted 1 ALSO wasn't announced for Steam for the longest time, and people were scared then too, but it still came on release
It was 5am when I came up with this but is there a possibility that Michael is the head of Fazbear entertainment or at least built the PizzaPlex? We don't see him burn at the end of FNAF 6, and it could have been his way of exposing his father's actions. It would also explain a lot of the memorabilia connected to the Afton family, and why his room is so hidden if it isn't a hallucination. It would also make sense layout-wise with the Sister Location scooper likely being in ruin. In terms of help wanted, it would also make sense as the workers would know where to look; Michael could tell them as he has been to every location. He would also have power over who could join the company, which would explain the parallels between Vanessa/Elizabeth and Gregory/CC.
If the possibility arises where Gregory is a robot this would make sense too, as a part of Michael would still want to honour his fathers wishes of "putting CC back together." Maybe there's a bit of a sibling rivalry between Michael essentially telling his story and Elizabeth wanting to impress William (Mimic being Elizabeth in this instance). The franchise is all he knows so if he is alive he'd likely still play a part in the company. Another point is Musicman being present in SB because it's not a well known character by any means, so why the CEO would choose him to be a part of the Pizzaplex is interesting.
If this was in any way true I'm not saying Michael meant to create the virus, but I think it's a possibility nonetheless (much like most things with this franchise).
Could also mean in a crazy world that Michael built Gregory if he is a robot, maybe with help from Henry who knows
39:58 I'm shocked they didn't do some kinda fight between Music Man and The Blob
My idea is that possession is caused by a soul feeling agony, this agony latches onto the cause of the agony and once the soul is released from its body (death) the agony pulls the soul into the source of agony leading to possession
Perfect! Posted a little but before i came to work and now i can start the night off as normal...with a fnaf video 😂. Definitely one of my favorite youtubers!
When it came to Remnant I had always seen it as something along the lines of Ectoplasm mixed with metal that is then melted down to be usable and tengible again. It's not really a soul? At least I don't think so. But it cannot exist without it.
My issue with potentially spliting actual suits is that it destroys the good ending of fnaf 3, where we reunite everyone to help put to rest the Crying Child, for it to happen. We must give him the birthday he never got. The others, minus Cassidy, already had what they needed when the killer was springlocked, but stayed for theirs friend to give him his happiest day, while the Puppet sticks around afterwards, probably because William survived the fire and intent to cause more harm.
If the kids souls are indeed split in parts like some might suggest, then fnaf 3 and everything thus game represents as a whole no longer has purpose. Fnaf 3 is the end of the story of the kids, but not for William.
Love seeing my favorite piece of bread and jpeg talk about robobots
It would be cool if Vanny the digital entity takes over the robot replacement of Venessa post princess quest
Listening to ID_Fantasy's thoughts on Vanessa being a robot due to her being on the roof during the fire exit. What if that Vanessa is the mimic and once Vanny is freed from Princess Quest, Greggory and Vanny seal it away knowing it is part of the Mimic/Glitchtrap virus
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For the Shadows, I think theirs existance as always been linking toward the same idea since fnaf 2, just that the context has evolved over the years. However it might come into redcon territory a little bit.
I think that the Shadows are a representation of the Killer's deeds. Shadow Freddy represents the first murders of 85, while Shadow Bonnie "maybe" represents the murders of 87.
But here's the issue: Shadow Freddy looks like what he is because he was modeled after the suit of the killer, with the color associated with the killer. But William didn't use golden Freddy right?
He did, not only was it suspected as earlier as fnaf 2, it was even confirmed in the Silver eyes. It even explains why the animatronics wanna stuff is in a freddy suit specificaly, as explained by phoneguy in fnaf 1 and 2, they wanna kill us by using the murder weapon, wich can also give another reason to Cassidy's anger, she litteraly became the weapon used to kill her.
However fnaf 6 shows us that he used Spring Bonnie to lure and kill kids. But that dosn't fit then, prehaps he used both? Or it was just redconned.
Another problem is Shadow Bonnie, He looks like Toy Bonnie, but dosn't at the same time, we call him a Shadow, but his official name and overall design just dosn't fit, he dosn't look like a shadow. Even worse is that he helps is free reunite the childrens at the end of fnaf 3.
I think Shadow Bonnie was originaly a representation of the player back when only the first three games existed. His glitchy nature, fourth wall breaking habits might have an explaination if going on with this theory, but it cannot be cannon anymore.
You can see that there are Hallucination Gas canisters in one of the rooms in one of the games
Gonna put this out there but I hope that vanny comes back as a actual split personality of Vanessas, a coping system system of Vanessa’s, no freaky bunny man possession, due to the possible child murder vanny did
Emotional energy and 'Remnant' are actually two separate concepts! Remnant (containing the souls within) being a conductor of emotions produced by the souls within while agony being an emotion itself! :D This would make a scheme like this:
Remnant:
Bright remnant- positive emotions.
Shadowy remnant- negative emotions.
I like how at this point we (as a community) have glossed over the fact that in order for the SB pizzaplex to be literally built on top of the Pizzaria Sim location literal millions of years would have had to happen between then and now or someone would have had to dig a big hole and shove the whole building into the ground..Maybe it's intended more as a metaphor of "this is the history that Fazzbear Entertainment is trying to bury" sort of thing. If that's true I don't think any ending involving going under the pizzaplex is literal.
I’ve been waiting for this one!
Now the real question: when Markiplier, the king of FNAF, on the podcast
I love your podcast. This episode is great.
ID's giggle at the outro was the perfect way to end
It's really weird to suggest that William was doing experiments on the Crying Child. When would that be happening??? Michael I kind of get but even that's weird in that it'd be weird for him to want to go into the SL bunker for his dad if he was basically torturing him.
I love the intro sm
I feel like immortal remnants souls agony pain ect works in a lot of different ways.
So my best friend's older sister actually has dissociative identity disorder, the "main" personality as it were has all memories, but most of the offshoots have either selective memories from the "main" one or none at all and only has their own. I have a feeling that if they are the same person, Vanessa has only some memories while Vanny has all memories.
Most cases I know, the main or host only has some memories and another alter serves as gatekeeper to protect them from traumatic memories, often the existance of whole alters who become a vessel for the trauma to keep the host functional it is a trauma response after all, a mechanism to somehow being able to move on when there is no way to actually process the trauma is available
@@SingingSealRianaputting it that way makes it sound like a very sad thing to have to live with.
When i think of the idea of reminit, its an impression that a soul leaves on object. This means that when someone dies they essentially attach themselves to an object. An example, if a grandparent passed away they attach themselves to their favorite chair that they passed away in. Even if the chair is reupholstered, grandma's love is still in the chair.
As far as agony, its more of extension on this idea. Anger and fear changes the brain phycology and can change your experience and chemistry of death. So your soul is changing into an unrecognizable person, doing things you necessarily wouldnt do before. This could lead to impolse control issues and exacerbated emotions. Case in point, cassidy going to all end to destroy william even those its hurting her and other as well when she was all for helping everyone when she was alive.