an interesting thing to consider with the MCI happening first is that since the Fredbear that kills the crying child is what becomes Golden Freddy, then when the bite happens Cassidy's spirit would already be in the costume. So perhaps instead of the crying child's death being an accident it was instead Cassidy's first act of revenge against William by killing his child
I worked in the restaurant industry for 12 years cooking, serving, bartending and managing and you genuinely couldn’t pay me to food prep ever again. Or prep bar fruit. Get those fucking limes AWAY FROM ME
Hey, I worked in restaurants for six years and though I don’t think I’ll go back, food prep was my favorite. It might depend on what types of restaurants you worked at. Also, what’s called food prep in the game is actually working as a line cook. I did that plenty, and it had its moments, but I’d never call it a favorite.
It is funny to hear, but I also worked at a restaurant and I like food prep and the game PlateUp lol. It's not real and it's very gamified, so it's different to me. Also, I'd take sassy robots over sassy customers and coworkers any day!
If the fall fest set off the MCI, I feel like its possible a group of kids lit it aflame, prompting William to get a little silly and stuff their *corpses* into the animatronics.
@@syweb2 Unless William kills them before 1983, something acceptable to the timeline since the only defined event is the bite of '83, which if the tombstones are to be believed is the end of the first 6 murders.
The theory that Vanny doesn't like the other apprentices of Glitchtrap makes Gregory's line in the beginning of security breach about vanessa being out to get him make so much more sense. Because at that point, we haven't seen Vanessa do anything out of the ordinary for a security guard, certainly nothing that Gregory should be afraid of, and the Pizzaplex hasn't even closed yet, so it doesn't make sense for her to be hunting him down because it's past Pizzaplex hours. It only really makes sense if Gregory has some sort of half remembered understanding that Vanny/Vanessa is out to get him, although he doesn't seem to remember that Vanny exists or that Vanessa has an alter ego yet so that might throw a bit of a wrench in things.
Your part about being desensitized to horror games is literally me. Not FNAF but I keep recommending my friends play SIGNALIS which I love (but I don't find it scary) yet all my friends are TERRIFIED. And I'm always like "huh??" And didn't realize until recently oh people find horror games scary
Honestly, MCI being first has always made sense to me in terms of serial k*ller logic. To me, Afton is a sk and it makes sense that he started with stranger kids, then moved on to a personal target which is Charlie. Serial k*llers usually start with strangers to then build up to their real objective
the order of the graves and sequence of events also just lines up with the games in which we were introduced a tragedy. MCI - FNaF 1 Charlie - save him minigame, give gifts - give life FNaF 2 crying child (Evan?) - FNaF 4 elizabeth - SL
I'd love a Halloween-themed Steel Wool fnaf game set in Fallfest 83 or even 70. The devs have said they'd love to do a Fredbear's game, and while Scott may be protective of that idea due to the lore, it's entirely possible he's worked with them to create a separate early timeline location they can play around with and create new lore in. If so, that's huge and super fun.
I don’t know why but Rye is giving major sassy teen girl energy when he crosses his arms Edit: I think Susie means she’s the first of Afton’s murders. CC was an unfortunate accident. Elizabeth was a kidnapping gone wrong (this also shows a growth in Afton,he starts as a kidnapper before eventually becoming a murderer but that leaves the question of why he was kidnapping). Susie was his first intentional kill. That’s my interpretation anyway. We also KNOW the MCI must of happened after CC’s death because Golden Bonnie was still at Fredbear’s and the Golden Bonnie suit needs to be at Freddy’s for the MCI to happen. Also,we need an answer to give gifts give life. Maybe it represents the toys’ souls?
Elizabeth pretty much has to be dead last, or at least after the MCI, since by that point Afton already knows about Remnant and is experimenting with it.
Rye talking about how the Funtimes remnant might have come from the Toys is a really compelling theory that got me thinking, so here's some random crazy thoughts that probably aren't helpful. This theory somewhat explains Mangle's presence being a sort of proto Funtime Foxy that was being field tested as a proof of concept before William went full into the Circus Baby design scheme. Heck, it might even explain how William got into remnant experiments because they were using the parts of the withereds to cut costs, but he noticed weird things happening and continued to figure it out from there. This is getting a little crazy, but what if Mangle is mangled because it's trying to find and reassemble all of the different parts that have it's remnant in them that were spread out in different animatronics for repair, and Mangle just wasn't dexturous or smart enough to fully disassemble the pieces. This behaviour would prompt William to melt down the remnant infused parts for separate infusion so they couldn't attempt reassembly. This has the unintended side effect of making them aggressive and crazy. Just some crazy ideas that I thought up from Rye saying that, do with them what you will.
Forget normal baby, what’s up with plush baby? They’ve shown up repeatedly in the steel wool games, and they’re the only plushes that really do anything more then be a collectible. I think there’s something up with them
I'm not 100% convinced about the order of early deaths but it's hard to come up with another explanation for the numbers and the graves. The fall fest playing a major role in the events of the story is also a really interesting idea and I would love to see steel wool explore that.
well technically cc’s and elizabeths deaths weren’t williams murders so they couldve happened before the MCI. so it would go CC and Elizabeth, MCI, gold fred, puppet
@@Moodyhuman07 yeah i feel like Elizabeth has to be last because why else would the Funtimes exist, it's very strange to have the puppet that late though
In retrospect, I'm convinced the only reason we got the Chica line in ultimate custom night of "I was the first, I have seen everything" was Scott was trying to correct the misinterpretation of Henry's wound line in fnaf 6.
@@lorde_spooky I wouldn't look too deeply into that order. For some reason, Charlotte/Puppet is getting lumped in with the MCI kids when she shouldn't be. Puppet was also the one to help give life to the animatronics in the first place, so I'd say Charlotte still died first, but she's just separate to the MCI.
Before HW2 I was under the impression it was CC, Puppet, MCI, Elizabeth. Puppet I think has to be before MCI so she can give them life. Elizabeth could technically be before MCI but Henry would have to be the one to make Baby for that to be the case.
I think all the staff bots are literally the staff. Every single one was previously a human employee. Including Jeremy. I think afton is in the mask but not necessarily the mimic. I think those two were arguing when grimic and possessed helpy were butting heads.
I have STRONG opinions on the interpretation of Help Wanted 1 and 2. In my opinion, both are Vanessa centric. She is the real subject of both of them and both of them somehow connect her to Elizabeth Afton. In Help Wanted, we see her origin story as Vanny (who is like a virtual daughter to Glitchtrap who, regardless of the Mimic, is still William Afton coded), in Help Wanted 2 we see her emancipation from Glitchtrap. The Candy Cadet story is all about that, in my opinion. And the fact that Baby is so present and so relevant in Help Wanted 2 just highlights the link between Vanessa and Elizabeth Afton. Not only that, but Ruin introduced the concept of the Vanny mask as a piece of work equipment, suggesting that more than one person (maybe at the same time) is supposed to wear it. This is further proved by the poster in Help Wanted 2. This information is apparently in contrast with the fact that Vanessa DIYed the bunny costume unless we assume that the mask was already provided by the Pizza Plex, while the costume was her idea under the influence of Glitchtrap/the Mimic. This way, we can say that the mask passes from vessel to vessel (from tape girl to Vanessa, to Cassie), but only Vanessa was deeply connected to Glitchtrap (so much so as to be influenced to the point of building a full bunny costume), because of her still unclear connection to Elizabeth Afton. That's why once freed through the Princess Quest ending of Security Breach, Vanessa still holded grudges against Afton and the Mimic and wanted to help Gregory (somehow connected to the Crying Child) and Freddy (somehow connected to Michael Afton) to defeat that entity. They all represent the Afton Family, in some way. Cassie, on the other end, somehow represent Charlie in the Emily family, with her father (some how connected to Henry) as the protagonist of Help Wanted 2. He used to be an employee of the Pizza Plex, but was eventually defeated by the Mimic (the ending also implies that the conversion from human resources to bots has some darker tones than expected). The Fnaf new era to me seems to be the innocent sons and daughters of these two families coming together to defeat the Mimic. The end
Little thing I've not seen anyone mention: Maskbot has bunny ears and if Cassie's dad became Maskbot, then that could be a callback to him being bonnie-bro. He started with bunny ears and ended with bunny ears. The boy in the bunny mask becoming the one to hand out the bunny mask is also very satisfying story telling.
I’ve always thought S.T.A.F.F. bots meant Souls Trapped At Freddy Fazbear’s, but we’ve never had reason to believe they were possessed. Now with the “bad” ending of help wanted 2, and we see the protagonist take on the mask bot, I think that confirms it.
The problem with C.C dying after the MCI is Freddy’s would have been shut down but in FNAF 4 there is still Merch of the core 4 alot of things wouldn’t make sense I just feel like Susie saying “ I was the first I have seen everything “ line means the first of William’s kill also William put on the SpringBonnie suit a Freddy’s location which wouldn’t make sense cause there was only 2 spring lock suits at Fredbear’s why would they send their only two spring lock suits to another location that actually has functioning animatronics and leave the other location with nothing the only way that could work is if Fredbears has already been shut down cause of the bite especially when both Fredbear and SpringBonnie are in the safe room at Freddy’s I think the line “ what’s seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child” still applies
The thing about the gravestone order that doesn't make sense to me is that Charlie was the one to give the other animatronics life. If Charlie died last how did she give the others life if they died before her? That would also imply that Cassidy was already dead and inside of Golden Freddy before the crying child was bit, unless the crying child was actually the first death in the timeline.
They simply were as ghosts or something, and we do know that we saw 4 ghosts, not 5 (we didn’t see the Vengeful Spirit). Charlie simply “gave them life”, ability to control animatronics etc. I think it is also connected to the fact that Puppet was made for Charlie and that’s why Charlie was able to possess it so easily. Same with Elizabeth - Baby was made for her (at least she was thinking that way). Makes me wonder if Vengeful Spirit had connection to the Golden Freddy before (f.e. Cassidy being a big fan of Freddy/FredBear etc.).
The MCI order makes sense if you think that Foxy and Chica are from the Mediocre Melodies and were Henry Emily's creations. William doesn't care as much about those, so might as well dump in there. Then he goes to Freddy, because he's reluctant to stash in Bonnie, because he's begun to think of Bonnie as representing himself in the Spring Bonnie suit. Eventually the urge to kill has him place the next victim inside Bonnie, because it isn't his Bonnie after all, it's Henry's version. Then he screws up, and kills The One He Should Not Have Killed. He kills Cassidy at Fredbear's, and there's no full animatronic to hide the body inside. He panics, and stuffs her in a spare Fredbear suit, but in his haste the springlocks trigger and eviscerate her corpse. Cassidy eventually gets found and William is taken to court, but the murder he committed isn't discovered, it's labelled a workplace accident of a child wandering where she shouldn't and getting too close to the suit. As a precaution, springlock suits are no longer permitted to be worn as suits due to the dangerous possibility of a "multiple springlock failure". Henry is suspicious, but the courts declared him innocent, but that doesn't mean Henry can't cut him out of Freddy's. Then, 1983, William happens to drive past a Freddy location, the one Henry works at, the one where he keeps his daughter, where he puts in extra security measures like Facial Recognition animatronics and a Security Puppet to keep Charlotte safe, except Charlotte isn't safe inside, she's stuck out in the rain, while Henry is busy inside with a Fredbear Birthday Bash(FNaF 2 minigame), William drives up, and takes his revenge for being cut from the business. Now, William isn't allowed at a Fazbear location (lawsuit and all that), but he still has rights to toys, merchandise, and there's nothing stopping his kids from going to Freddy's, and being a former owner has it's perks, so CC's birthday will be held at Freddy's, despite his protests because of what he saw (Cassidy being stuffed by William, but he was too young to understand or give testimony at the trial). Then, fate takes its toll, and CC is put in a coma by the very animatronic that almost put an end to William's murders. Maybe it was the servos clamping down on CC, maybe it was a Vengeful Spirit.
i just wanted to say i’m not sure if you’ll see this rye but thank you genuinely for all your content, i watch all of it and i appreciate you so much for playing the games on release for those that don’t have vr or money for the other games , and i love all of your theories and how your gameplay is so thorough and calm , it makes my day :)
You mentioned that you don't think that Vanessa would still be Vanny. But I'd like to say that the major theory is that Vanessa isn't Vanny anymore, but like in "B7-2", Vanny and Vanessa are now 2 separate entities.
I have a suggestion for why the hell the order of the graves is so funky. I think it’s simple: we’re being given an order of awareness, not death. Susie is completely unaware upon possession, since in Coming Home from Fazbear Frights, she doesn’t even know she’s dead. Cassidy is listed last in the MCI because she’s aware enough to be vengeful against Afton. Charlie is sixth because… well, she says it herself. The others are like animals, but she is very aware. Then we have the Crying Child, who in the Survival Logbook, is definitely on a comparable level of awareness to Charlie, seeing how he’s able to acknowledge what senses he has and what he can remember and all that. Finally, we have Elizabeth, who fully remembers her life beforehand (though warped by the Baby programming in SL), and is even aware enough to have established loyalties based on her regrets in life (as shown through her being loyal to Afton after not listening to him leading to her death). This isn’t foolproof, but it definitely makes a lot more sense with everything we’ve been given before this game. Also, another MAJOR thing: Glitchtrap, my friend! We have no reason to believe he’s a reliable narrator on Afton’s past, seeing how he’s pretty well-established by now to not be Afton. That is ESPECIALLY not foolproof, but it’s definitely the simplest way to rest easy on this whole thing.
I've been considering how the order of child deaths relates to some of the vague lore we have had through ucn lines. One that has really connected for me is the idea of Charlie being "more aware" than the other children and that they "act like animals." I am going to explain my ideas but i will have to use a lot of assumptions (as all lore in this franchise requires) First, the MCI kids die. They feel rage towards Afton for killing them, and therefore become ghosts. They are possibly stuffed within the animatronics but do not possess them. They simply are angry ghosts that maybe do not even know where their bodies are. (i feel like there was a pizzaplex story about finding your own corpse that allows you to understand that you are dead?) so they simply are angry spirits. Then, Charlie gets locked out, killed by Afton, and then the puppet finds her and they fuse. Charlie is the first to posses an animatronic but the last to die. She then discovers the souls of the MCI kids and shows them how they can possess the animatronics and possibly shows them where their bodies are. Because the MCI souls have been without bodies for so long, i feel like they began to deteriorate and that is why they do not have as much wherewithal as Charlie. They became mostly energy before they were able to control anything. With Help Wanted 2's emphasis on the "give gifts give life" minigame, i feel like we are still supposed to understand that Charlie did give life to the MCI kids and the only way i can reason with that is that she just showed them they were dead and how to possess the animatronics. If this makes no sense i will answer questions to clarify.
If MCI came first then Susie (Chica) truly was the first kid he killed. Thinking back to Susie’s arcade game/death, I wonder if William first only meant to kill her dog (psychopaths & serial killers usually start by inflicting pain on animals) but then got high on the adrenaline and enjoyed it so much he decided to kill her too, then thats what sets the addiction into play. Also saw someone else comment saying if MCI came first then it means Cassidy was already inside Golden Freddy, meaning when CC got bit then it could of been Cassidy doing it on purpose for revenge and I think that makes total sense!!!
44:50 - I personally think the information that the MCI happened in 1985 could be overriden by the newer implementations of the lore, i.e HW2's ending sequence could/should take priority over past references. Furthermore if 1985 was from the book(s) they are only supposed to give us a rough indication of events relating to the games. Which ordering priority of the form media itself as well as the release order, i'd also trust HW2's telling of events/dates moreso. I do agree that it appears the MCI, then Charlotte Emily, then Crying Child all die in 1983, and shortly after then (maybe a year or so later) Elizabeth Afton.
It also would make sense for MCI to happen before/in 1983 because it explains what Crying Child was so scared of animatronics. Of course if Scott also had the same intentions
i think we should start questioning what these princess quest cabinets are. It holding vanessas mind seems right alongside the BB cabinet holding gregorys till it isnt, but what actually is princess quest, is the princess a spirit or just a game sprite cause shes now involved in the glitchtrapping of 2 different people. Did the mimic make the princess, gave her enough "details and lore" to make whoevers playing it believe theyre interacting with cassidy in some capacity? We always go into it like we have to help her but its pretty much a trap every time
I personally believe the order is - Crying Child dies - William snaps and kills the MCI (Chica first, Cassidy last) - Security Puppet gets made, Charlie dies - Williams finds out about remnant, Security Puppet gets retired, the Funtimes are made, Elizabeth dies
I get what you’re saying about fnaf being good because it has vague stories, but I think that even though hw2 is great for lore, the games should still have some sort of plot that a casual player can follow. Like for the people who aren’t theorists and just want to have fun. Hw2 is the only game so far where there’s no immediately clear plot to follow. I think it’s fine because I like theorising but there’s tons of people who aren’t into that and I understand the position
I agree. The problem with theorists is that all of them bring different ideas and people who aren’t much into theories and stuff - they simply got confused. You kinda want to see some questions being answered in-game…
Yeah the game is even lacking instructions in some parts that require you to basically just remember all the previous gameplay functions from games that came out like 10 years ago. I think this game could have been clearer with almost everything, including storyline. People who aren't as obsessed with these games as I am would probably have had a really frustrating gameplay experience.
Just something that occurred to me watching this back again. Whoever we’re playing as has the VANNI mask: the same mask Vanny has, and the same mask Cassie gets. Cassie even makes it a point that she wears Vanny’s exact same mask. So why does the character we play as have that mask? Why doesn’t Vanny have it? If it is another Glitchtrap follower, and if Vanny IS opposed to any more of those, why does a new follower have her mask? Right now, I can only think of two options: Vanny isn’t around to use the mask anymore and so someone else needs to use the mask; or Vanny IS using the mask, using the VANNI system to Glitchtrap someone for a specific reason and then dump them. The Arcade Cabinets could work almost like gateways: you start playing the game and then the VANNI system puts you in the game in VR, then your mind is put in the game and Glitchtrap has control. The Princess Quest ending is stripping all the memories that make up Glitchtrap away from everything else, so the everything else-the player character- can be dumped. I do think we are playing as Cassie’s dad, a Faz-technician armed with a skill set Vanny likely lacks, forced into working on either the Mimic or Burntrap or both, and then, once he’s finished-having learned from mistakes with Gregory- removed as a Glitchtrap follower, but not allowed to be conscious enough to put up opposition.
Henrys "the wound first inflicted on me" could also just be because it was the MISSING child incident, no one actualy knew what happend to those kids, so Charlie being killed outside was the first time in the timeline that a child was actually killed at least from Henrys perspective
Love the video! I do have to point out the minor point that the Mimic does have Agony, as it seems to be latched onto Edwin's violent rage when he was in agony (haha, get it) after the death of his son. And of course if the mimic software is responsible for Glitchtrap, then he would also have Agony.
The mci coming first is so weird because afton wouldn’t have a motive And the give life give gifts minigame would have a not possessed puppet giving life. but chicka being the first gravestone could not be a coincidence
PLEASE READ/LOOK INTO THEM Okay quick rant- "WAS YOUR FAVORITE RIDE THE CAROSEL?" -Fnaf 2, and the security log book. "What do you remember?"-Logbook Please, Please, PLEASE touch on this!!!!! We don't see a carousel anywhere else. I think maybe Bonnie Bully/Cassie's dad, May be greater than he seems.
My biggest problem with the lore of the current FNAF games is that we've had 4 games now within this new VR based lore in yet nothing has effectively been answered. We still have no idea which of the Security Breach endings is canon and they keep pushing new lore without at least giving us clear answers to the prior. The storytelling to me is way too abstract and too much interpretative symbolism to the point you can get 3 or 4 cohesive stories instead of one
Lmao, that’s literally what FNaF is: Midnight Motorist. SL timeline placement. Elizabeth’s death placement. Who died first? MoltenMCI or no? Did Mike ever help his father or no? Who is the player of FNaF 3? Who is Fritz Smith? MANY MORE…. Like my guy….don’t act like weve solved the older games 😂. Security Breach isn’t anything new 💀
That’s kinda the point look at the lore more like a mystery novel than a straight narrative, you take each piece of evidence analyse it until you get a answer, if the story was just told to us then it would just be a generic horror game it wouldn’t be fnaf anymore
@@nationalpv Trying to figure out the lore was fun at first but it's led us nowhere because Scott still refuses to actually give us some answers and tell the story he wants to. I feel like when FNaF got popular after years of failed games he became obsessed with the idea that he NEEDS to keep being cryptic about everything to keep people interested even though the franchise is clearly doing well enough on it's own by simply releasing good content.
@@redwiltshire1816 But... You CAN'T get an answer for anything in FNaF. It's all just theories upon headcanons upon more theories. If FNaF wants mystery then that's fine, great even, but this in it's current state it's not a mystery, just a series of details throw at us with no rhyme or reason.
Quick question. If Help Wanted 2 takes place between Security Breach and Ruin (as shown by Roxy's new mask and other stuff) then why is Vanny still a thing? Shouldn't she be free by now?
The only reason I’m reluctant to believe that Charlotte was killed 6th is because we know she’s the one that stuffs the other five into the suits. I don’t know if there’s a ‘possession expiration date’ for dead bodies, but it feels like a very clumsy thing to say that the other kids’ corpses rotted in the pizzeria for possibly weeks or months waiting for Charlotte to get killed, possess the Puppet, and then happen across them.
I’ve never subscribed to anyone’s channel though in this hectic world. I wanted to show my appreciation, because your videos give me joy even on my worst days thank you!
If Steel Wool is trying so hard to make the Fall Fair of '83 important, and they're showing the fair burn down both Help Wanted 1 + 2, what if the MCI isn't Afton directly killing the 5 kids, but he was the one who set the fire which ended up killing 5 kids? What if the Fest was Henry's idea and it was a perfect chance to kick Henry off as lead by having him be responsible for a disaster? Or, the fire did end up only killing 4 kids. However, Cassidy saw him start the fire so he has to kill Cassidy himself to keep the kid quiet which is why Cassidy harbors such a rage for Afton?
We know from Fnaf 3 that the mci happens after the spring suits are put away, however in fnaf 4 they are stil in use, so the mci has to happen after the bite of 83.
I really doubt the graves gives us mci order when it contradicts what was already said in the franchise. Charlie dies first (Henry's speech + novels) and from Fazbear Frights we even know that MCI took place in 1985.
The 'wound first inflicted on me' could also be that, between the two of them, Afton attacked Henry first, through Charlotte. While the MCI happened before Charlotte, it wasn't a personal attack. The MCI was trivial/unrelated to the Henry X Afton beef.
It's basically john and amanda from the saw movies. William is john vanny/vanessa are amanda in this situation. Just like in the saw movies she did not want John to have other disciples. So does vanny/vanessa. Gregory and cassie dad are threats to her position. Just like in the saw movies for amanda. She's stopping anybody who could take her place. In fear that they can do the job better than she can. She jealous of them taking her place. She see william as a father. Just like amanda in the saw movies. They have the same motivation. She get jealous of those who can take her place.
I think the reason PQ3 exists, and so does PQ4, I think it's because Princess Quest is from Help Wanted, which is where Glitchtrap was created, so Vanessa's mind is in that room from Priness Quest 3, but Glitchtrap's arcade machine is Princess Quest IV, which would be from Help Wanted.
To be honest, the only moment that truly SCARED me on HW2 were the DJ Music Man minigames. Just the fact you start seeing this gigantic animatronic, and have to *look up* to actually see his face when he gets near you, one of the first times that exclusively the VR factor scared me The overall minigame is pretty chill, and even if I get jumpscared it's not that bad, but the initial shock really got to me
I like the basic timeline that’s coming together here. Henry accidentally burning Fallfest to the ground and the MCI being retaliation to ruin his restaurants fits in with the sort of Afton that was displayed in the movie - an evil, arrogant, megalomaniac. Nothing is sacred to him, save for what he values as his own. To me, that creates a more compelling villain than the ‘tragic backstory’ theorists have commonly assumed (ie crying child’s death triggering the murders to try and ‘put him back together’). I know some people disagree but personally, I think the dangerous sadistic megalomaniac interpretation of Afton makes for a better story than the whole ‘a father gone mad in the aftermath of tragedy’ approach. It makes him a great villain, because all the blood of the franchise is TRULY on his hands - all of it, the result of his choices, whether directly (MCI and Charlie) or indirectly (crying child and Elizabeth)… just because he chose not to forgive his friend, for starting that fire at Fallfest… Funny, that Henry never stopped trying to burn him, after that. But he won’t let Henry burn everything he worked for. Not again. He always comes back.
I wouldn't say Charlotte is part of the MCI seeing as those children were actually missing and hidden within the animatronics. Charlotte's body was left in the open and discovered whenever the puppet was inevitably found and recovered. Don't forget who it was that actually gave life to the animatronics the MCI kids came to possess in the first place as well. As far as the actual MCI kids are concerned, that order is correct, but Charlotte/Puppet is an anomaly.
My theory for are we human or are we dancers.. I mean dead is that we either are MXES because MXES is the only character to have human hands just like the ones we have in HW2, so either we die during the bad ending then turn into MXES then good ending happens then we appear in ruin to try and stop Cassidy from going any further more evidence for this would be how we never find a body in ruin MXES Lives inside the old pizzeria and MXES is not present in HW2 even tho we have the button thingy I can’t remember the name but no MXES defending the button o and MXES is also called an entity which is another name for a ghost. This to me makes the most logical sense
I agree with your perspective on the PQ4 ending giving us the order of all the kids' deaths. It makes sense, and common theories being fundamentally wrong about the timeline would explain the years of confusion. Suzie, Fritz, Gabriel, Jeremy, Cassidy(?), Charlie, CC/Little Man, and finally Elizabeth, with the Puppet reanimating the MCI kids after she dies. It's pretty neat and tidy to be honest.
I’m still thinking the gravestones could be counting something else. I saw it could be suggested that it could be souls leaving instead of death. Mostly because Charlotte being last doesn’t match really any other evidence.
Maybe aftons' whole motive is eternal life. He wanted the animatronics melted down and combined. The tangled and enard just wanted to escape that fate. Micheal was trying to save his siblings from ending up with that fate.
There is a thought that the order of deaths has brought up for me. Is Cassidy the one he should not have killed? I ask this because while Cassidy is the one that holding Afton in that UCN, they do refer to themself in the first person when talking through Orville. So what if the one you should not have killed is referring to Charlotte since it makes more sense, especially with her being the last to die of the group in 1983 (not including CC), and the fact that she is the one to give the MCI the ability to get Afton killed the first time, gives Cassidy the ability to put Afton in to UCN, and it is likely due to her giving the MCI a second life that Afton learns of remanent, that leads to the creation of the Funtimes, and thus Elizabeth’s death.
I believe the crying child was bit before susie is murdered which puts him in his coma but his actual death comes later, I feel like it helps with why the mci first
I'm so glad people like the food prep levels as much as me. And chica lurking around watching you make her lunch is super cute even if she scared the shit out of me the first time
17:30 Some Fans: Plays a game that is known for how convoluted it is and how nothing makes sense at first *looks inside* *is convoluted nothing makes sense at first* 😲
Charlotte not being first or even second doesnt make sense because of the "give gifts, give life mini game" She MUST be dead before the MCI Im not sure if this order in help wanted 2 is just to confuse us even more
In the last book it is confirmed that ghost need to be lead to their death sigh, so the MCI kids could have been wondering around and Charlotte who knew what happend showed them the truth
The line in FNAF 4 “remember what you saw” would make more sense if the crying child either witnessed Cassidy’s death or saw her body/blood within the Golden Freddy suit. It would definitely validate why the crying child is so terrified of the golden springlocks. The Midnight Motorist scene is still fitting with the new order of deaths. I think “later that night” could now refer to the night of Elizabeth’s death when Circus Baby’s closes. Even considering the creation of nightmare gas, angry William would be motivated to use it on Michael with two of his three children dead and the equipment being moved around.
Funniest thing about taking a fall fest as the inciting incident for the MCI means that 5 kids would have to die around mid October then the creation of a security puppet, the death of Charlotte and then the crying child in the last two months following it. But I don't remember if the mci were dated but the crying child's mini games looks like summer and not the end of the year, then again idk what the weather is like where the games take place.
Tbh, I don't think the graves show the order of deaths. I don't care what theories end up being right because I just like watching all you theorists come up with all kinds of ideas. The reason I say I don't think it is would be because there's been many things that people in this community overthink. This could definitely be one of them. Assuming disagreement is copium is just a toxic mentality that limits original thought. It's just as bad as the everything is a retcon mentality imo. That's just my two cents and I love the free thinking of this community. I don't like it when people try to limit the ideas of others in this franchise that's built upon being confusing on purpose. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk LoL.
To add to your point about GGY and Cassie's Dad, I think Gregory/GGY became friends with Cassie to get Glitchtrap close to a Fazbear tech. He indirectly taught GGY to be a better hacker. Then, when VANNI caused a Glitchtrap piece to lose control of Gregory /GGY, GGY Glitchtrap went direct to the Source of the Hacker information to take Cassie's dad as a vessel directly. Further, I think GGY is Glitchtrap's favorite specifically because he is a child and can blend in among children. Makes it easy to get children for his "Immortality Projects".
love the battle adventure 2 reference!! love you rye toast!! so awesome to jump in stream and see you go out of bounds haha, and stay up until 4 AM! ❤ have a safe and happy holiday papatoast and fellow doughrisers!
49:58 Remember what a defining feature of the Mediocre Melodies was? They had external power supplies! What if Fall Fest was an event hosted by William, where he hired Henry's Mediocre Melodies to perform, and their batteries set the place on fire?????
Could be that the injury Henry is talking about isn't the death of his daughter but rather her being brought back to life. The puppet gave gifts to bring life to the others, wouldn't that require that all of the others had to be dead prior to Charlie's death? Chica was the first to die, but maybe Charlie was the first success at movement? One of the theories I've had since the movie is that there was something *unique* to Henry's family that allowed them to connect to spirits. There is some reason why Movie-Mike can talk to ghosts in his dreams, and why Games-Charlie could give her friends the gift of life...
I feel it's less scary because it's so security breach-centered. Maybe I'm crazy, but I have never found the security breach era of animatronics scary. The ruined ones even just look disheveled. Sun and moon are unsettling, but other than them, they don't hold the same fear the older animatronics do. Will never forget fnaf 2, seeing Bonnie without a face for the first time. Bone-chilling (I was 9)
It hit me, almost everything of the franchise is father-son/daughter, maybe a little sibling, but this just makes the old question even bigger: Who is Gregory?
Henry: "a wound first inflicted on me" HW2: "actually-" I love the idea of Henry accidentally lighting the festival on fire and turning William into a serial killer. It's messed up, but it's also funny.
I don't own a vr headset, but I feel like I'd just constantly be playing the Foxy log flume, bonk-a-bon and the food prep games and not progressing enough to even take the mask off if I got the chance to play this. It seriously looks a lot more fun
Endless mode would be so cool for food prep as part of a DLC. Imagine it going in days with a morning afternoon and evening shift but each day gets harder until you lose. You can set high scores etc
I think calling out the idea of “the souls are split between the Withereds and Toys” makes perfect sense. It helps explain why Happiest Day frees the MCI kids if, technically, William already dismantled the repaired Withereds aka the classics. Those parts of their souls that forced William into Spring-Bonnie are freed, but the box of Toy animatronic parts in FNAF3 still holds a piece of them, which is what lets them be fully freed in FNAF 3. Those parts are like their final Horcrux - with it destroyed, nothing is holding them back from passing on.
I don't know if this is shared anywhere else, but I just want to get it out there. I have a theory on why Afton killed the 5 MCI kids: They are relatives or otherwise connected to Mike's friends who helped him put the Crying Child in Fredbear's mouth. Why? Because of the theory that Cassie's dad is 'Bonnie Bro', the friend in the Bonnie mask. The puppet doll in Help Wanted 2 is hidden behind a 1983 code, implying Charlie died in 1983. If the MCI kids all died before Charlie, they probably died in 1983 as well, given the Crying Child incident is also, by established clues, a 1983 death. That means all the deaths are happening around the same time in connected restaurants. So, Mike and his friends would naturally be in close proximity to the MCI kids. They might even know them. And Cassie, Bonnie Bro's daughter (by this theory) has a similar name to Cassidy. I propose that the MCI kids are relatives of Mike's friends, and Afton killed them in revenge for his child's death, just like he killed Charlie to get revenge on Henry. It is all revenge, and Cassie is named after Cassidy, the relative her father lost.
Ok, i'm totally on board with the Vanessa/Vanny being jealous theory because that makes the line "What makes you so special?" that you constantly hear make a lot of sense. To be fair, it also works with the Bonnie Bro theory, but I feel like it fits better with the Jealous theory.
You mentioned Eclipse, and it reminded me. We don’t destroy, or remove Moon. We don’t free Sun. We integrate Sun and Moon together. In B-7 2 we see what happens when you remove a corrupted part of yourself. It lives on, seeking to reintegrate, or merge with someone else. A bit like a symbiote from Spider-Man. We also get an insight into how an AI can be ‘installed’ into a persons mind in The Monty Within. Could Dr Rabbit still be around after being removed from Gregory? Living on in the digital world? Perhaps it’s this AI luring Cassie to the basement. If Vanny was similarly removed from Vanessa, maybe the PQ4 ending is showing us this AI Vanny. Also, the Brazil ending might be showing us the AI remains of Dr Rabbit and Vanny, along with Helpi. Alternatively, Princess Quest 3 might be like Eclipse’s path. Not removing Vanny, but letting both halves of Vanessa/Vanny become whole. Sun/Moon is very much a Vanessa/Vanny parallel, and we even have Moon acting as Vanny’s accomplice in the PQ4 ending. Perhaps it’s pointing to a future solution for stopping Vanny, if splitting her from Vanessa ends up being a problem. [i.e. that Vanny’s personality, free of a body, is wreaking havoc]. I can see this tying into the jealousy angle. And if she figures out that Glitchtrap is a fake, she might even take over as the big bad.
Idk if anyone has ever noticed, but after you finish the first breaker room, it looks like there’s a hanging man to the right of you. Didn’t know if you or anyone has ever noticed. First time I saw it, it was dangling, but second time I played it was perfectly still, so I could be wrong
Maybe William discovered Henry with his wife at his Fall Fest, which led to William inflicting Henry's restraunt with the MCI, his wife divorced him, so he took his daughter from him, in the chaos of the family situations, Mike lashes out by bullying his brother, which leads to the Bite of 83, William discovers possession through Save Them, which leads to the Funtimes and Remnant experiments, which leads to Elizabeth dying to Circus Baby, which leads eventually to Follow Me and Williams death in Springtrap. Everything proceeds as normal (kinda).
I think it’s fair to say that since CC isn’t represented by any of the graves, it’s still likely that he died first and Steel Wool just didn’t feel the need to clarify that. All the graves really show is that Charlie died after the MCI kids.
Just a thought, but what if the next two BBEGs (big bad evil guys) are The Mimic somehow combined with Glitchtrap and then the a version of Afton Amalgamation from the books? Like Cassie wakes up in the crashed elevator, finds Roxy, and they find and defeat a Mimic/Glitchtrap hybrid who is now loose in the ruined pizzeria underneath the Pizzaplex and escape and find Gregory, Vanessa and Freddy's head and then they all find and confront the game version of The Afton Amalgamation (The Tangle and Burntrap)...
Personally I’m still not fully convinced on the order. Henry saying “a wound first inflicted on me” seems like a much stronger piece of evidence than the gravestones atm. I feel like the next game has to give a really solid explanation for what Henry could’ve meant by that for me to be fully convinced.
the full Henry line is "But not yet. Not until I undo what he has done and heal this wound - a wound first inflicted on me, but then one that I let bleed out to cause all of this." If you read it as saying Henry is the first one wounded, the phrasing of "but then" sounds awkward. I really think this line was meant to emphasize Henry's guilt, how he's placing blame on himself. He's saying, first I was hurt by someone else, but then I made it worse. He's telling us about two things, and saying which was first of the two, not the first event in the overarching story. Something the reinforces it for me, is Chica's line in UCN. The Henry line is in FNAF 6. So I can see Scott giving Chica the "I was first," line as an attempt to redirect the fanbase after everyone starting believing Charlie was first. Frankly, trying to explain Chica's line as not really meaning she was first was always a stretch. Like, sure I guess she could mean first of the MCI, but why have her say she's "seen everything" if she just means she's seen some of it? When I think of it from the perspective of someone writing that line, if Charlie is first, then what are they trying to tell us with this? All I can think would be they are intentionally misleading us and I really don't want that to be the case lol
If crying child doesn’t turn out to die first I’ll be disappointed because it would’ve been a great story because the MCI being first is kinda… boring.
this entire franchise is based on daddy issues and i love that
Now that you say it, that’s so funny 😂😂
Wait does that mean Mike is I don’t know if I can even say it yag backwards lol
Yep, bonbon and ft Freddy
Like most anime
HELP
an interesting thing to consider with the MCI happening first is that since the Fredbear that kills the crying child is what becomes Golden Freddy, then when the bite happens Cassidy's spirit would already be in the costume. So perhaps instead of the crying child's death being an accident it was instead Cassidy's first act of revenge against William by killing his child
This is so crazy, I love this, I'm immediately accepting this as canon
She's called the Vengeful Spirit for a reason, after all
As an ex kitchen worker (many times, many years) its WILD to hear people say " I wanna do food prep forever". lmao
I worked in the restaurant industry for 12 years cooking, serving, bartending and managing and you genuinely couldn’t pay me to food prep ever again. Or prep bar fruit. Get those fucking limes AWAY FROM ME
@@TheWholeEntireCake lol ill never work food again
Hey, I worked in restaurants for six years and though I don’t think I’ll go back, food prep was my favorite. It might depend on what types of restaurants you worked at.
Also, what’s called food prep in the game is actually working as a line cook. I did that plenty, and it had its moments, but I’d never call it a favorite.
It’s food prep where you only deal with occasionally quippy staff bots and prep for a very short window 🤷🏽♀️
It is funny to hear, but I also worked at a restaurant and I like food prep and the game PlateUp lol. It's not real and it's very gamified, so it's different to me. Also, I'd take sassy robots over sassy customers and coworkers any day!
If the fall fest set off the MCI, I feel like its possible a group of kids lit it aflame, prompting William to get a little silly and stuff their *corpses* into the animatronics.
You mean he got “quirky at night”
What if the MCI kids are the children of the kids who set Fall Fest ablaze in 1970?
@@guppylipz They would be thirteen years older by '83, and wouldn't really be kids anymore, at least as typically portrayed.
@@syweb2 Unless William kills them before 1983, something acceptable to the timeline since the only defined event is the bite of '83, which if the tombstones are to be believed is the end of the first 6 murders.
The theory that Vanny doesn't like the other apprentices of Glitchtrap makes Gregory's line in the beginning of security breach about vanessa being out to get him make so much more sense. Because at that point, we haven't seen Vanessa do anything out of the ordinary for a security guard, certainly nothing that Gregory should be afraid of, and the Pizzaplex hasn't even closed yet, so it doesn't make sense for her to be hunting him down because it's past Pizzaplex hours. It only really makes sense if Gregory has some sort of half remembered understanding that Vanny/Vanessa is out to get him, although he doesn't seem to remember that Vanny exists or that Vanessa has an alter ego yet so that might throw a bit of a wrench in things.
Especially since it GGY says he’s a Afton’s favorite . Favoritism breeds jealousy
Your part about being desensitized to horror games is literally me. Not FNAF but I keep recommending my friends play SIGNALIS which I love (but I don't find it scary) yet all my friends are TERRIFIED. And I'm always like "huh??" And didn't realize until recently oh people find horror games scary
signalis mentioned let's GOOOOOOOO
right i always thought it was interesting
I feel like being scary is part of the fun of horror games, like I'm a huge pussy by I love horror games because they give me some good spooks
that was me with watching the last of us with my family
Honestly, MCI being first has always made sense to me in terms of serial k*ller logic. To me, Afton is a sk and it makes sense that he started with stranger kids, then moved on to a personal target which is Charlie. Serial k*llers usually start with strangers to then build up to their real objective
It's okay you can say killer it's not going to bite you
@@allinory i didn't know if youtube had word bans, I'm sorry if it bothered you :)
the order of the graves and sequence of events also just lines up with the games in which we were introduced a tragedy.
MCI - FNaF 1
Charlie - save him minigame, give gifts - give life FNaF 2
crying child (Evan?) - FNaF 4
elizabeth - SL
I'd love a Halloween-themed Steel Wool fnaf game set in Fallfest 83 or even 70. The devs have said they'd love to do a Fredbear's game, and while Scott may be protective of that idea due to the lore, it's entirely possible he's worked with them to create a separate early timeline location they can play around with and create new lore in. If so, that's huge and super fun.
I don’t know why but Rye is giving major sassy teen girl energy when he crosses his arms
Edit: I think Susie means she’s the first of Afton’s murders. CC was an unfortunate accident. Elizabeth was a kidnapping gone wrong (this also shows a growth in Afton,he starts as a kidnapper before eventually becoming a murderer but that leaves the question of why he was kidnapping). Susie was his first intentional kill. That’s my interpretation anyway. We also KNOW the MCI must of happened after CC’s death because Golden Bonnie was still at Fredbear’s and the Golden Bonnie suit needs to be at Freddy’s for the MCI to happen. Also,we need an answer to give gifts give life. Maybe it represents the toys’ souls?
I'm pretty sure the Toys aren't possessed, it could be part of their coding, or perhaps an earlier version of the GlitchTrap virus
@@NatThe_Dinbo That’s a valid thought but I would say that Toy Chica’s black eyes with the white dot in the middle tends to indicate ghosts
@@birdmcturd1626 Yeah, when the animatronic eyes do that, it's called "The silver eyes". It shows that there is a spirit in there. 😅
@@MelvinBattle mhm,thanks
Elizabeth pretty much has to be dead last, or at least after the MCI, since by that point Afton already knows about Remnant and is experimenting with it.
Rye talking about how the Funtimes remnant might have come from the Toys is a really compelling theory that got me thinking, so here's some random crazy thoughts that probably aren't helpful. This theory somewhat explains Mangle's presence being a sort of proto Funtime Foxy that was being field tested as a proof of concept before William went full into the Circus Baby design scheme. Heck, it might even explain how William got into remnant experiments because they were using the parts of the withereds to cut costs, but he noticed weird things happening and continued to figure it out from there. This is getting a little crazy, but what if Mangle is mangled because it's trying to find and reassemble all of the different parts that have it's remnant in them that were spread out in different animatronics for repair, and Mangle just wasn't dexturous or smart enough to fully disassemble the pieces. This behaviour would prompt William to melt down the remnant infused parts for separate infusion so they couldn't attempt reassembly. This has the unintended side effect of making them aggressive and crazy. Just some crazy ideas that I thought up from Rye saying that, do with them what you will.
Forget normal baby, what’s up with plush baby? They’ve shown up repeatedly in the steel wool games, and they’re the only plushes that really do anything more then be a collectible. I think there’s something up with them
With both them and the Moon! Two of them seems to appear everywhere nowadays
I'm not 100% convinced about the order of early deaths but it's hard to come up with another explanation for the numbers and the graves. The fall fest playing a major role in the events of the story is also a really interesting idea and I would love to see steel wool explore that.
well technically cc’s and elizabeths deaths weren’t williams murders so they couldve happened before the MCI. so it would go CC and Elizabeth, MCI, gold fred, puppet
@@Moodyhuman07 yeah i feel like Elizabeth has to be last because why else would the Funtimes exist, it's very strange to have the puppet that late though
In retrospect, I'm convinced the only reason we got the Chica line in ultimate custom night of "I was the first, I have seen everything" was Scott was trying to correct the misinterpretation of Henry's wound line in fnaf 6.
@@lorde_spooky I wouldn't look too deeply into that order. For some reason, Charlotte/Puppet is getting lumped in with the MCI kids when she shouldn't be. Puppet was also the one to help give life to the animatronics in the first place, so I'd say Charlotte still died first, but she's just separate to the MCI.
Before HW2 I was under the impression it was CC, Puppet, MCI, Elizabeth.
Puppet I think has to be before MCI so she can give them life.
Elizabeth could technically be before MCI but Henry would have to be the one to make Baby for that to be the case.
I think all the staff bots are literally the staff. Every single one was previously a human employee. Including Jeremy. I think afton is in the mask but not necessarily the mimic. I think those two were arguing when grimic and possessed helpy were butting heads.
I have STRONG opinions on the interpretation of Help Wanted 1 and 2.
In my opinion, both are Vanessa centric. She is the real subject of both of them and both of them somehow connect her to Elizabeth Afton.
In Help Wanted, we see her origin story as Vanny (who is like a virtual daughter to Glitchtrap who, regardless of the Mimic, is still William Afton coded), in Help Wanted 2 we see her emancipation from Glitchtrap. The Candy Cadet story is all about that, in my opinion. And the fact that Baby is so present and so relevant in Help Wanted 2 just highlights the link between Vanessa and Elizabeth Afton.
Not only that, but Ruin introduced the concept of the Vanny mask as a piece of work equipment, suggesting that more than one person (maybe at the same time) is supposed to wear it. This is further proved by the poster in Help Wanted 2. This information is apparently in contrast with the fact that Vanessa DIYed the bunny costume unless we assume that the mask was already provided by the Pizza Plex, while the costume was her idea under the influence of Glitchtrap/the Mimic. This way, we can say that the mask passes from vessel to vessel (from tape girl to Vanessa, to Cassie), but only Vanessa was deeply connected to Glitchtrap (so much so as to be influenced to the point of building a full bunny costume), because of her still unclear connection to Elizabeth Afton. That's why once freed through the Princess Quest ending of Security Breach, Vanessa still holded grudges against Afton and the Mimic and wanted to help Gregory (somehow connected to the Crying Child) and Freddy (somehow connected to Michael Afton) to defeat that entity. They all represent the Afton Family, in some way. Cassie, on the other end, somehow represent Charlie in the Emily family, with her father (some how connected to Henry) as the protagonist of Help Wanted 2. He used to be an employee of the Pizza Plex, but was eventually defeated by the Mimic (the ending also implies that the conversion from human resources to bots has some darker tones than expected). The Fnaf new era to me seems to be the innocent sons and daughters of these two families coming together to defeat the Mimic. The end
Little thing I've not seen anyone mention: Maskbot has bunny ears and if Cassie's dad became Maskbot, then that could be a callback to him being bonnie-bro. He started with bunny ears and ended with bunny ears.
The boy in the bunny mask becoming the one to hand out the bunny mask is also very satisfying story telling.
I’ve always thought S.T.A.F.F. bots meant Souls Trapped At Freddy Fazbear’s, but we’ve never had reason to believe they were possessed. Now with the “bad” ending of help wanted 2, and we see the protagonist take on the mask bot, I think that confirms it.
The problem with C.C dying after the MCI is Freddy’s would have been shut down but in FNAF 4 there is still Merch of the core 4 alot of things wouldn’t make sense I just feel like Susie saying “ I was the first I have seen everything “ line means the first of William’s kill also William put on the SpringBonnie suit a Freddy’s location which wouldn’t make sense cause there was only 2 spring lock suits at Fredbear’s why would they send their only two spring lock suits to another location that actually has functioning animatronics and leave the other location with nothing the only way that could work is if Fredbears has already been shut down cause of the bite especially when both Fredbear and SpringBonnie are in the safe room at Freddy’s I think the line “ what’s seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child” still applies
I can't wait to watch this episode! Hopefully it's about the FNAF 3 Phone Guy!
The thing about the gravestone order that doesn't make sense to me is that Charlie was the one to give the other animatronics life. If Charlie died last how did she give the others life if they died before her? That would also imply that Cassidy was already dead and inside of Golden Freddy before the crying child was bit, unless the crying child was actually the first death in the timeline.
They simply were as ghosts or something, and we do know that we saw 4 ghosts, not 5 (we didn’t see the Vengeful Spirit). Charlie simply “gave them life”, ability to control animatronics etc. I think it is also connected to the fact that Puppet was made for Charlie and that’s why Charlie was able to possess it so easily. Same with Elizabeth - Baby was made for her (at least she was thinking that way). Makes me wonder if Vengeful Spirit had connection to the Golden Freddy before (f.e. Cassidy being a big fan of Freddy/FredBear etc.).
The MCI order makes sense if you think that Foxy and Chica are from the Mediocre Melodies and were Henry Emily's creations. William doesn't care as much about those, so might as well dump in there. Then he goes to Freddy, because he's reluctant to stash in Bonnie, because he's begun to think of Bonnie as representing himself in the Spring Bonnie suit. Eventually the urge to kill has him place the next victim inside Bonnie, because it isn't his Bonnie after all, it's Henry's version.
Then he screws up, and kills The One He Should Not Have Killed. He kills Cassidy at Fredbear's, and there's no full animatronic to hide the body inside. He panics, and stuffs her in a spare Fredbear suit, but in his haste the springlocks trigger and eviscerate her corpse. Cassidy eventually gets found and William is taken to court, but the murder he committed isn't discovered, it's labelled a workplace accident of a child wandering where she shouldn't and getting too close to the suit. As a precaution, springlock suits are no longer permitted to be worn as suits due to the dangerous possibility of a "multiple springlock failure". Henry is suspicious, but the courts declared him innocent, but that doesn't mean Henry can't cut him out of Freddy's. Then, 1983, William happens to drive past a Freddy location, the one Henry works at, the one where he keeps his daughter, where he puts in extra security measures like Facial Recognition animatronics and a Security Puppet to keep Charlotte safe, except Charlotte isn't safe inside, she's stuck out in the rain, while Henry is busy inside with a Fredbear Birthday Bash(FNaF 2 minigame), William drives up, and takes his revenge for being cut from the business. Now, William isn't allowed at a Fazbear location (lawsuit and all that), but he still has rights to toys, merchandise, and there's nothing stopping his kids from going to Freddy's, and being a former owner has it's perks, so CC's birthday will be held at Freddy's, despite his protests because of what he saw (Cassidy being stuffed by William, but he was too young to understand or give testimony at the trial). Then, fate takes its toll, and CC is put in a coma by the very animatronic that almost put an end to William's murders. Maybe it was the servos clamping down on CC, maybe it was a Vengeful Spirit.
i just wanted to say i’m not sure if you’ll see this rye but thank you genuinely for all your content, i watch all of it and i appreciate you so much for playing the games on release for those that don’t have vr or money for the other games , and i love all of your theories and how your gameplay is so thorough and calm , it makes my day :)
RyeToast calls everyone copium and forget about Give gift give life
You mentioned that you don't think that Vanessa would still be Vanny. But I'd like to say that the major theory is that Vanessa isn't Vanny anymore, but like in "B7-2", Vanny and Vanessa are now 2 separate entities.
I have a suggestion for why the hell the order of the graves is so funky. I think it’s simple: we’re being given an order of awareness, not death. Susie is completely unaware upon possession, since in Coming Home from Fazbear Frights, she doesn’t even know she’s dead. Cassidy is listed last in the MCI because she’s aware enough to be vengeful against Afton. Charlie is sixth because… well, she says it herself. The others are like animals, but she is very aware. Then we have the Crying Child, who in the Survival Logbook, is definitely on a comparable level of awareness to Charlie, seeing how he’s able to acknowledge what senses he has and what he can remember and all that. Finally, we have Elizabeth, who fully remembers her life beforehand (though warped by the Baby programming in SL), and is even aware enough to have established loyalties based on her regrets in life (as shown through her being loyal to Afton after not listening to him leading to her death). This isn’t foolproof, but it definitely makes a lot more sense with everything we’ve been given before this game.
Also, another MAJOR thing: Glitchtrap, my friend! We have no reason to believe he’s a reliable narrator on Afton’s past, seeing how he’s pretty well-established by now to not be Afton. That is ESPECIALLY not foolproof, but it’s definitely the simplest way to rest easy on this whole thing.
I've been considering how the order of child deaths relates to some of the vague lore we have had through ucn lines. One that has really connected for me is the idea of Charlie being "more aware" than the other children and that they "act like animals." I am going to explain my ideas but i will have to use a lot of assumptions (as all lore in this franchise requires)
First, the MCI kids die. They feel rage towards Afton for killing them, and therefore become ghosts. They are possibly stuffed within the animatronics but do not possess them. They simply are angry ghosts that maybe do not even know where their bodies are. (i feel like there was a pizzaplex story about finding your own corpse that allows you to understand that you are dead?) so they simply are angry spirits.
Then, Charlie gets locked out, killed by Afton, and then the puppet finds her and they fuse. Charlie is the first to posses an animatronic but the last to die. She then discovers the souls of the MCI kids and shows them how they can possess the animatronics and possibly shows them where their bodies are.
Because the MCI souls have been without bodies for so long, i feel like they began to deteriorate and that is why they do not have as much wherewithal as Charlie. They became mostly energy before they were able to control anything.
With Help Wanted 2's emphasis on the "give gifts give life" minigame, i feel like we are still supposed to understand that Charlie did give life to the MCI kids and the only way i can reason with that is that she just showed them they were dead and how to possess the animatronics.
If this makes no sense i will answer questions to clarify.
If MCI came first then Susie (Chica) truly was the first kid he killed. Thinking back to Susie’s arcade game/death, I wonder if William first only meant to kill her dog (psychopaths & serial killers usually start by inflicting pain on animals) but then got high on the adrenaline and enjoyed it so much he decided to kill her too, then thats what sets the addiction into play. Also saw someone else comment saying if MCI came first then it means Cassidy was already inside Golden Freddy, meaning when CC got bit then it could of been Cassidy doing it on purpose for revenge and I think that makes total sense!!!
44:50 - I personally think the information that the MCI happened in 1985 could be overriden by the newer implementations of the lore, i.e HW2's ending sequence could/should take priority over past references. Furthermore if 1985 was from the book(s) they are only supposed to give us a rough indication of events relating to the games. Which ordering priority of the form media itself as well as the release order, i'd also trust HW2's telling of events/dates moreso.
I do agree that it appears the MCI, then Charlotte Emily, then Crying Child all die in 1983, and shortly after then (maybe a year or so later) Elizabeth Afton.
It also would make sense for MCI to happen before/in 1983 because it explains what Crying Child was so scared of animatronics. Of course if Scott also had the same intentions
i think we should start questioning what these princess quest cabinets are. It holding vanessas mind seems right alongside the BB cabinet holding gregorys till it isnt, but what actually is princess quest, is the princess a spirit or just a game sprite cause shes now involved in the glitchtrapping of 2 different people. Did the mimic make the princess, gave her enough "details and lore" to make whoevers playing it believe theyre interacting with cassidy in some capacity? We always go into it like we have to help her but its pretty much a trap every time
I personally believe the order is
- Crying Child dies
- William snaps and kills the MCI (Chica first, Cassidy last)
- Security Puppet gets made, Charlie dies
- Williams finds out about remnant, Security Puppet gets retired, the Funtimes are made, Elizabeth dies
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I get what you’re saying about fnaf being good because it has vague stories, but I think that even though hw2 is great for lore, the games should still have some sort of plot that a casual player can follow. Like for the people who aren’t theorists and just want to have fun. Hw2 is the only game so far where there’s no immediately clear plot to follow. I think it’s fine because I like theorising but there’s tons of people who aren’t into that and I understand the position
I agree. The problem with theorists is that all of them bring different ideas and people who aren’t much into theories and stuff - they simply got confused. You kinda want to see some questions being answered in-game…
Yeah the game is even lacking instructions in some parts that require you to basically just remember all the previous gameplay functions from games that came out like 10 years ago. I think this game could have been clearer with almost everything, including storyline. People who aren't as obsessed with these games as I am would probably have had a really frustrating gameplay experience.
41:29 Why does William start killing kids? Maybe we learn about that at Fall Fest, 1970
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Just something that occurred to me watching this back again. Whoever we’re playing as has the VANNI mask: the same mask Vanny has, and the same mask Cassie gets. Cassie even makes it a point that she wears Vanny’s exact same mask.
So why does the character we play as have that mask? Why doesn’t Vanny have it? If it is another Glitchtrap follower, and if Vanny IS opposed to any more of those, why does a new follower have her mask?
Right now, I can only think of two options: Vanny isn’t around to use the mask anymore and so someone else needs to use the mask; or Vanny IS using the mask, using the VANNI system to Glitchtrap someone for a specific reason and then dump them.
The Arcade Cabinets could work almost like gateways: you start playing the game and then the VANNI system puts you in the game in VR, then your mind is put in the game and Glitchtrap has control. The Princess Quest ending is stripping all the memories that make up Glitchtrap away from everything else, so the everything else-the player character- can be dumped.
I do think we are playing as Cassie’s dad, a Faz-technician armed with a skill set Vanny likely lacks, forced into working on either the Mimic or Burntrap or both, and then, once he’s finished-having learned from mistakes with Gregory- removed as a Glitchtrap follower, but not allowed to be conscious enough to put up opposition.
Henrys "the wound first inflicted on me" could also just be because it was the MISSING child incident, no one actualy knew what happend to those kids, so Charlie being killed outside was the first time in the timeline that a child was actually killed at least from Henrys perspective
Love the video! I do have to point out the minor point that the Mimic does have Agony, as it seems to be latched onto Edwin's violent rage when he was in agony (haha, get it) after the death of his son. And of course if the mimic software is responsible for Glitchtrap, then he would also have Agony.
The mci coming first is so weird because afton wouldn’t have a motive
And the give life give gifts minigame would have a not possessed puppet giving life. but chicka being the first gravestone could not be a coincidence
When mystic hippo “says she needs you” that could be referring to vanny as she has cut voicelines in the files asking you to help her
There is also it needs you.
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"WAS YOUR FAVORITE RIDE THE CAROSEL?" -Fnaf 2, and the security log book.
"What do you remember?"-Logbook
Please, Please, PLEASE touch on this!!!!! We don't see a carousel anywhere else. I think maybe Bonnie Bully/Cassie's dad, May be greater than he seems.
17:12 Bro, just because FNaF has always had questions doesn't mean we can't be tired of it.
My biggest problem with the lore of the current FNAF games is that we've had 4 games now within this new VR based lore in yet nothing has effectively been answered. We still have no idea which of the Security Breach endings is canon and they keep pushing new lore without at least giving us clear answers to the prior. The storytelling to me is way too abstract and too much interpretative symbolism to the point you can get 3 or 4 cohesive stories instead of one
Lmao, that’s literally what FNaF is:
Midnight Motorist.
SL timeline placement.
Elizabeth’s death placement.
Who died first?
MoltenMCI or no?
Did Mike ever help his father or no?
Who is the player of FNaF 3?
Who is Fritz Smith?
MANY MORE….
Like my guy….don’t act like weve solved the older games 😂. Security Breach isn’t anything new 💀
That’s kinda the point look at the lore more like a mystery novel than a straight narrative, you take each piece of evidence analyse it until you get a answer, if the story was just told to us then it would just be a generic horror game it wouldn’t be fnaf anymore
So much of the cut lines and content that would have helped clear things up
@@nationalpv Trying to figure out the lore was fun at first but it's led us nowhere because Scott still refuses to actually give us some answers and tell the story he wants to. I feel like when FNaF got popular after years of failed games he became obsessed with the idea that he NEEDS to keep being cryptic about everything to keep people interested even though the franchise is clearly doing well enough on it's own by simply releasing good content.
@@redwiltshire1816 But... You CAN'T get an answer for anything in FNaF. It's all just theories upon headcanons upon more theories. If FNaF wants mystery then that's fine, great even, but this in it's current state it's not a mystery, just a series of details throw at us with no rhyme or reason.
I can’t wait for the next episode. I need more of your unfiltered thoughts on this! So good! :D
Quick question. If Help Wanted 2 takes place between Security Breach and Ruin (as shown by Roxy's new mask and other stuff) then why is Vanny still a thing? Shouldn't she be free by now?
The only reason I’m reluctant to believe that Charlotte was killed 6th is because we know she’s the one that stuffs the other five into the suits. I don’t know if there’s a ‘possession expiration date’ for dead bodies, but it feels like a very clumsy thing to say that the other kids’ corpses rotted in the pizzeria for possibly weeks or months waiting for Charlotte to get killed, possess the Puppet, and then happen across them.
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If Steel Wool is trying so hard to make the Fall Fair of '83 important, and they're showing the fair burn down both Help Wanted 1 + 2, what if the MCI isn't Afton directly killing the 5 kids, but he was the one who set the fire which ended up killing 5 kids? What if the Fest was Henry's idea and it was a perfect chance to kick Henry off as lead by having him be responsible for a disaster?
Or, the fire did end up only killing 4 kids. However, Cassidy saw him start the fire so he has to kill Cassidy himself to keep the kid quiet which is why Cassidy harbors such a rage for Afton?
We know from Fnaf 3 that the mci happens after the spring suits are put away, however in fnaf 4 they are stil in use, so the mci has to happen after the bite of 83.
I really doubt the graves gives us mci order when it contradicts what was already said in the franchise. Charlie dies first (Henry's speech + novels) and from Fazbear Frights we even know that MCI took place in 1985.
The 'wound first inflicted on me' could also be that, between the two of them, Afton attacked Henry first, through Charlotte. While the MCI happened before Charlotte, it wasn't a personal attack. The MCI was trivial/unrelated to the Henry X Afton beef.
It's basically john and amanda from the saw movies. William is john vanny/vanessa are amanda in this situation. Just like in the saw movies she did not want John to have other disciples. So does vanny/vanessa. Gregory and cassie dad are threats to her position. Just like in the saw movies for amanda. She's stopping anybody who could take her place. In fear that they can do the job better than she can. She jealous of them taking her place. She see william as a father. Just like amanda in the saw movies. They have the same motivation. She get jealous of those who can take her place.
I think the reason PQ3 exists, and so does PQ4, I think it's because Princess Quest is from Help Wanted, which is where Glitchtrap was created, so Vanessa's mind is in that room from Priness Quest 3, but Glitchtrap's arcade machine is Princess Quest IV, which would be from Help Wanted.
To be honest, the only moment that truly SCARED me on HW2 were the DJ Music Man minigames. Just the fact you start seeing this gigantic animatronic, and have to *look up* to actually see his face when he gets near you, one of the first times that exclusively the VR factor scared me
The overall minigame is pretty chill, and even if I get jumpscared it's not that bad, but the initial shock really got to me
I like the basic timeline that’s coming together here. Henry accidentally burning Fallfest to the ground and the MCI being retaliation to ruin his restaurants fits in with the sort of Afton that was displayed in the movie - an evil, arrogant, megalomaniac. Nothing is sacred to him, save for what he values as his own. To me, that creates a more compelling villain than the ‘tragic backstory’ theorists have commonly assumed (ie crying child’s death triggering the murders to try and ‘put him back together’). I know some people disagree but personally, I think the dangerous sadistic megalomaniac interpretation of Afton makes for a better story than the whole ‘a father gone mad in the aftermath of tragedy’ approach. It makes him a great villain, because all the blood of the franchise is TRULY on his hands - all of it, the result of his choices, whether directly (MCI and Charlie) or indirectly (crying child and Elizabeth)… just because he chose not to forgive his friend, for starting that fire at Fallfest… Funny, that Henry never stopped trying to burn him, after that.
But he won’t let Henry burn everything he worked for. Not again.
He always comes back.
36:30 "What makes you so special?" in that context now reads as "Why do you deserve to serve him as I do?"
Exactly!!
I wouldn't say Charlotte is part of the MCI seeing as those children were actually missing and hidden within the animatronics. Charlotte's body was left in the open and discovered whenever the puppet was inevitably found and recovered.
Don't forget who it was that actually gave life to the animatronics the MCI kids came to possess in the first place as well. As far as the actual MCI kids are concerned, that order is correct, but Charlotte/Puppet is an anomaly.
My theory for are we human or are we dancers.. I mean dead is that we either are MXES because MXES is the only character to have human hands just like the ones we have in HW2, so either we die during the bad ending then turn into MXES then good ending happens then we appear in ruin to try and stop Cassidy from going any further more evidence for this would be how we never find a body in ruin MXES Lives inside the old pizzeria and MXES is not present in HW2 even tho we have the button thingy I can’t remember the name but no MXES defending the button o and MXES is also called an entity which is another name for a ghost. This to me makes the most logical sense
I agree with your perspective on the PQ4 ending giving us the order of all the kids' deaths. It makes sense, and common theories being fundamentally wrong about the timeline would explain the years of confusion. Suzie, Fritz, Gabriel, Jeremy, Cassidy(?), Charlie, CC/Little Man, and finally Elizabeth, with the Puppet reanimating the MCI kids after she dies. It's pretty neat and tidy to be honest.
I’m still thinking the gravestones could be counting something else. I saw it could be suggested that it could be souls leaving instead of death.
Mostly because Charlotte being last doesn’t match really any other evidence.
why can't William just be a crazy killer, why does he need to have a reason?
Maybe aftons' whole motive is eternal life. He wanted the animatronics melted down and combined. The tangled and enard just wanted to escape that fate. Micheal was trying to save his siblings from ending up with that fate.
There is a thought that the order of deaths has brought up for me. Is Cassidy the one he should not have killed? I ask this because while Cassidy is the one that holding Afton in that UCN, they do refer to themself in the first person when talking through Orville. So what if the one you should not have killed is referring to Charlotte since it makes more sense, especially with her being the last to die of the group in 1983 (not including CC), and the fact that she is the one to give the MCI the ability to get Afton killed the first time, gives Cassidy the ability to put Afton in to UCN, and it is likely due to her giving the MCI a second life that Afton learns of remanent, that leads to the creation of the Funtimes, and thus Elizabeth’s death.
I believe the crying child was bit before susie is murdered which puts him in his coma but his actual death comes later, I feel like it helps with why the mci first
I'm so glad people like the food prep levels as much as me. And chica lurking around watching you make her lunch is super cute even if she scared the shit out of me the first time
17:30 Some Fans: Plays a game that is known for how convoluted it is and how nothing makes sense at first *looks inside* *is convoluted nothing makes sense at first* 😲
“those with the good sense to do away with the whole notion” gave me a good chuckle
I don't see how saying Chica is the first murder implies that Crying Child dies after everything
Charlotte not being first or even second doesnt make sense because of the "give gifts, give life mini game"
She MUST be dead before the MCI
Im not sure if this order in help wanted 2 is just to confuse us even more
In the last book it is confirmed that ghost need to be lead to their death sigh, so the MCI kids could have been wondering around and Charlotte who knew what happend showed them the truth
The line in FNAF 4 “remember what you saw” would make more sense if the crying child either witnessed Cassidy’s death or saw her body/blood within the Golden Freddy suit. It would definitely validate why the crying child is so terrified of the golden springlocks.
The Midnight Motorist scene is still fitting with the new order of deaths. I think “later that night” could now refer to the night of Elizabeth’s death when Circus Baby’s closes. Even considering the creation of nightmare gas, angry William would be motivated to use it on Michael with two of his three children dead and the equipment being moved around.
Funniest thing about taking a fall fest as the inciting incident for the MCI means that 5 kids would have to die around mid October then the creation of a security puppet, the death of Charlotte and then the crying child in the last two months following it.
But I don't remember if the mci were dated but the crying child's mini games looks like summer and not the end of the year, then again idk what the weather is like where the games take place.
17:05 that is literally me after playing the PQ ending... except that's exactly what I love about it XD
Tbh, I don't think the graves show the order of deaths. I don't care what theories end up being right because I just like watching all you theorists come up with all kinds of ideas. The reason I say I don't think it is would be because there's been many things that people in this community overthink. This could definitely be one of them. Assuming disagreement is copium is just a toxic mentality that limits original thought. It's just as bad as the everything is a retcon mentality imo. That's just my two cents and I love the free thinking of this community. I don't like it when people try to limit the ideas of others in this franchise that's built upon being confusing on purpose.
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Not saying I'm right bcuz I'm not a theorist but just my thoughts on it
To add to your point about GGY and Cassie's Dad, I think Gregory/GGY became friends with Cassie to get Glitchtrap close to a Fazbear tech. He indirectly taught GGY to be a better hacker. Then, when VANNI caused a Glitchtrap piece to lose control of Gregory /GGY, GGY Glitchtrap went direct to the Source of the Hacker information to take Cassie's dad as a vessel directly.
Further, I think GGY is Glitchtrap's favorite specifically because he is a child and can blend in among children. Makes it easy to get children for his "Immortality Projects".
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49:58 Remember what a defining feature of the Mediocre Melodies was? They had external power supplies! What if Fall Fest was an event hosted by William, where he hired Henry's Mediocre Melodies to perform, and their batteries set the place on fire?????
Could be that the injury Henry is talking about isn't the death of his daughter but rather her being brought back to life. The puppet gave gifts to bring life to the others, wouldn't that require that all of the others had to be dead prior to Charlie's death? Chica was the first to die, but maybe Charlie was the first success at movement?
One of the theories I've had since the movie is that there was something *unique* to Henry's family that allowed them to connect to spirits. There is some reason why Movie-Mike can talk to ghosts in his dreams, and why Games-Charlie could give her friends the gift of life...
I feel it's less scary because it's so security breach-centered. Maybe I'm crazy, but I have never found the security breach era of animatronics scary. The ruined ones even just look disheveled. Sun and moon are unsettling, but other than them, they don't hold the same fear the older animatronics do. Will never forget fnaf 2, seeing Bonnie without a face for the first time. Bone-chilling (I was 9)
It hit me, almost everything of the franchise is father-son/daughter, maybe a little sibling, but this just makes the old question even bigger: Who is Gregory?
Henry: "a wound first inflicted on me"
HW2: "actually-"
I love the idea of Henry accidentally lighting the festival on fire and turning William into a serial killer. It's messed up, but it's also funny.
I don't own a vr headset, but I feel like I'd just constantly be playing the Foxy log flume, bonk-a-bon and the food prep games and not progressing enough to even take the mask off if I got the chance to play this. It seriously looks a lot more fun
Endless mode would be so cool for food prep as part of a DLC. Imagine it going in days with a morning afternoon and evening shift but each day gets harder until you lose. You can set high scores etc
I think calling out the idea of “the souls are split between the Withereds and Toys” makes perfect sense. It helps explain why Happiest Day frees the MCI kids if, technically, William already dismantled the repaired Withereds aka the classics. Those parts of their souls that forced William into Spring-Bonnie are freed, but the box of Toy animatronic parts in FNAF3 still holds a piece of them, which is what lets them be fully freed in FNAF 3. Those parts are like their final Horcrux - with it destroyed, nothing is holding them back from passing on.
Bro said, fuck christmas, lets fnaf lore lol and im here for it.
Food prep endless mode is just my minimum wage job 😅
“What makes you so special?” makes a lot more sense if it’s all about Vanny wanting to be the only follower.
I feel help wanted 2 has probably one of the clearest endings since pizza sim, I don't get how people are saying that the endings are confusing
I don't know if this is shared anywhere else, but I just want to get it out there. I have a theory on why Afton killed the 5 MCI kids: They are relatives or otherwise connected to Mike's friends who helped him put the Crying Child in Fredbear's mouth. Why? Because of the theory that Cassie's dad is 'Bonnie Bro', the friend in the Bonnie mask. The puppet doll in Help Wanted 2 is hidden behind a 1983 code, implying Charlie died in 1983. If the MCI kids all died before Charlie, they probably died in 1983 as well, given the Crying Child incident is also, by established clues, a 1983 death. That means all the deaths are happening around the same time in connected restaurants. So, Mike and his friends would naturally be in close proximity to the MCI kids. They might even know them. And Cassie, Bonnie Bro's daughter (by this theory) has a similar name to Cassidy. I propose that the MCI kids are relatives of Mike's friends, and Afton killed them in revenge for his child's death, just like he killed Charlie to get revenge on Henry. It is all revenge, and Cassie is named after Cassidy, the relative her father lost.
Ok, i'm totally on board with the Vanessa/Vanny being jealous theory because that makes the line "What makes you so special?" that you constantly hear make a lot of sense.
To be fair, it also works with the Bonnie Bro theory, but I feel like it fits better with the Jealous theory.
You mentioned Eclipse, and it reminded me.
We don’t destroy, or remove Moon. We don’t free Sun. We integrate Sun and Moon together.
In B-7 2 we see what happens when you remove a corrupted part of yourself. It lives on, seeking to reintegrate, or merge with someone else. A bit like a symbiote from Spider-Man.
We also get an insight into how an AI can be ‘installed’ into a persons mind in The Monty Within.
Could Dr Rabbit still be around after being removed from Gregory? Living on in the digital world? Perhaps it’s this AI luring Cassie to the basement. If Vanny was similarly removed from Vanessa, maybe the PQ4 ending is showing us this AI Vanny. Also, the Brazil ending might be showing us the AI remains of Dr Rabbit and Vanny, along with Helpi.
Alternatively, Princess Quest 3 might be like Eclipse’s path. Not removing Vanny, but letting both halves of Vanessa/Vanny become whole.
Sun/Moon is very much a Vanessa/Vanny parallel, and we even have Moon acting as Vanny’s accomplice in the PQ4 ending. Perhaps it’s pointing to a future solution for stopping Vanny, if splitting her from Vanessa ends up being a problem. [i.e. that Vanny’s personality, free of a body, is wreaking havoc]. I can see this tying into the jealousy angle. And if she figures out that Glitchtrap is a fake, she might even take over as the big bad.
Idk if anyone has ever noticed, but after you finish the first breaker room, it looks like there’s a hanging man to the right of you. Didn’t know if you or anyone has ever noticed. First time I saw it, it was dangling, but second time I played it was perfectly still, so I could be wrong
Maybe William discovered Henry with his wife at his Fall Fest, which led to William inflicting Henry's restraunt with the MCI, his wife divorced him, so he took his daughter from him, in the chaos of the family situations, Mike lashes out by bullying his brother, which leads to the Bite of 83, William discovers possession through Save Them, which leads to the Funtimes and Remnant experiments, which leads to Elizabeth dying to Circus Baby, which leads eventually to Follow Me and Williams death in Springtrap.
Everything proceeds as normal (kinda).
I think it’s fair to say that since CC isn’t represented by any of the graves, it’s still likely that he died first and Steel Wool just didn’t feel the need to clarify that. All the graves really show is that Charlie died after the MCI kids.
Just a thought, but what if the next two BBEGs (big bad evil guys) are The Mimic somehow combined with Glitchtrap and then the a version of Afton Amalgamation from the books?
Like Cassie wakes up in the crashed elevator, finds Roxy, and they find and defeat a Mimic/Glitchtrap hybrid who is now loose in the ruined pizzeria underneath the Pizzaplex and escape and find Gregory, Vanessa and Freddy's head and then they all find and confront the game version of The Afton Amalgamation (The Tangle and Burntrap)...
the Shadow and Sonic analogy for Tangle (controlled by Glitchtrap) and Mimic.... RyeToast the person you and your mind are
Personally I’m still not fully convinced on the order. Henry saying “a wound first inflicted on me” seems like a much stronger piece of evidence than the gravestones atm. I feel like the next game has to give a really solid explanation for what Henry could’ve meant by that for me to be fully convinced.
the full Henry line is "But not yet. Not until I undo what he has done and heal this wound - a wound first inflicted on me, but then one that I let bleed out to cause all of this." If you read it as saying Henry is the first one wounded, the phrasing of "but then" sounds awkward. I really think this line was meant to emphasize Henry's guilt, how he's placing blame on himself. He's saying, first I was hurt by someone else, but then I made it worse. He's telling us about two things, and saying which was first of the two, not the first event in the overarching story.
Something the reinforces it for me, is Chica's line in UCN. The Henry line is in FNAF 6. So I can see Scott giving Chica the "I was first," line as an attempt to redirect the fanbase after everyone starting believing Charlie was first. Frankly, trying to explain Chica's line as not really meaning she was first was always a stretch. Like, sure I guess she could mean first of the MCI, but why have her say she's "seen everything" if she just means she's seen some of it? When I think of it from the perspective of someone writing that line, if Charlie is first, then what are they trying to tell us with this? All I can think would be they are intentionally misleading us and I really don't want that to be the case lol
That would be so poetic. The Fallfest being the first domino to *fall*.
If crying child doesn’t turn out to die first I’ll be disappointed because it would’ve been a great story because the MCI being first is kinda… boring.
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