Great review. I bought some Crows to try them in the R10se (sub 12), erm...rubbish. I used 10 through the magazine, then melted the remainder and turned them into fishing weights. It's the only thing they are fit for.
I have the Hatsan Flashpup .177 & have shot all the same H&N pellets as you in this video. And I had mostly the exact same results! Baracuda hunter 10.49g being the most accurate & a solid energy transfer! Great for hunting! Only difference I had was the Crow Magnum’s 8.80g were my 2nd in accuracy & slightly better in results than the Baracuda Hunter Extreme’s 9.57g! The Rabbit Magnum ll 15.74g slugs I have are tied for 2nd in accuracy but are Heavy!! At 15 to 30yrds pack a huge punch ! I personally would only use these for hunting at maximum distance of 30yrds. I think the difference in this slug & the one in your video is no hollow point! These are just domed! I pleasantly enjoyed your video review! It was nice to keep it to the point & none of the extra babbling on! It was quite the breath of fresh air, compared to most of the other videos! Not once did I have to skip through any part! So thank you once again;)!
Very satisfied with both accuracy and the devastating terminal performance of the Terminators out to 30 metres, on the local rabbit population. Shooting .177 sub 12 fpe. Thanks for your review.
Hi Mike, that is great news, must be my guns that are very sensitive - just like the owner. lol. I prefer expansion slightly above pure accuracy, I need to know that the shot will be a humane kill, with greater expansion even a shot not 100% correctly placed will still result in a humane kill.
Cool vid. I did the same exercise using my Hammerli 850 and it hated the Crow Magnums and loved the Hunter Extremes (same hole at 30m). It would have been great to include the .177 Hades with this lot. Cheers
Morning I use Bisley magnum pellets in my Rotex RM8, and looking at the shapes and weights, it looks like Bisley and H&M are made in the same factory, so for short range ratting I'm using Bisley pest control, like the H&M crows, and yes at 30m it's like a shotgun, but below 20m they're a tack driver, quiet and deadly, so give them a go at shorter ranges 😁
I bought a tin of Crow Magnums in .22 and tried them through 2 of my sub 12 fpe rifles in UK. To be honest I didnt finish the tin, your grouping was spot on IMHO. The other point I would say is dont use Hollow points in Sub 12 you wont get the expansion. Again IMHO. Thanks for the great review.
"Precision Ballistics" UK have developed a 10.5gr swaged slug in .177 specifically for sub 12 ftlb guns. I have tried them abd was pleased with the grouping at 35 yards 👍
A pellet designed for hunting is something I would consider for ratting, but a humane shot is paramount so needs to be reliably accurate. Of the ones you had on test only the Barracuda Hunter Extreme (cross head design) have been tested in my rifle but didn't group well, now I might try the Barracuda Hunter (hollow point). The main reason for using any of these over a round head would be for greater expansion. In my sub 12ft/lb gun expansion in the pellets I have tried seems minimal, I feel the reliable accuracy of a round head design the best. Although not entirely unexpected, the suitability of the 13.5grn slugs for sub 12ft/lbs was a disappointment. I really enjoyed your testing of the .177 ammo.
I really enjoy your videos. The crow magnums shoot great out of both of my .22 at 25 yards. They start opening up at 50 yards. fps between 650-850 works great. The expansion is obscene. The sound it makes when it hits a squirrel is as loud as the gun going off.
I see you like that sound also. All of my 22 pcps shoot them at least 940-975 fps and they hit hard and good. My 177 (flash and Kral pit bull) shoots them @ 900-915 fps and they work well.
@@anthonygillespie4523 That is fast for a pellet, In .177 I don't like too high a speed, destabilizes the pellet... but I have been proved wrong a few times on this, barrel dependence.
@@AimSmall As SG says "my gun" will do this, I can't speak for or on the behalf of others guns. I'm just saying what mine do, and I'm getting good results. Some guns/pellets shoot better at lower FPS some don't. I tune them to shoot heavy pellets (9,6-10.34 grains) at higher FPS and they seem to shoot more steady than the avg 7-8.5 grains. It really depends on distance and what each gun likes at that distance. I go by this, power/speed isn't worth a dam if you can't hit what you are shooting at !!!
Hi Aim, firstly fantastic videos, exactly what you need to help sort out the chaff! I note that you didnt test the H&N Silver Point and I presume that it wasnt available at the time of testing. Are you able to update with the testing of new H&N pellets? And generally speaking because some rifles have sweet spots with particular pellets, what are your thoughts on the which is the best brand and name of pellet in the range?
Looks like hw100 no 2 needs some work on or swapped out. Your son has a gun that is out shot by another of the same. Odd really hw100 is usually so surgical and faultless. That Aa LW barrel loves all you feed it. Love these vids both high and 12fpe power. Learning with you buddy. Jim UK
Yes, HW2 is pellet fussy, don't know why. I will be testing different head sizes shortly to look for the best food for the gun... Can't have an inaccurate gun in my collection. lol.
the baracuda hunter 4,5mm / .177 cal i have good experience with i recently got myself a new toy to plink with the gamo hpa mi maxxim igt in .177 cal it is a breakbarrel and shot the baracuda hunter at a max indoor range of 25 meters after zeroing my scoop a 3-9 40 just a simple gamo scoop no mildot and shot hole in hole at 25 meters im still testing my new toy soon i wil be able to shoot at a indoor range of 100meters and see what it is capable off and what ammo it likes for now i watch you fire the slugs wich im interested in iff i can fire them in my gamo hpa mi maxxim 24joule .177 like your channel tons of info thanks
Another good vid , but it would be nice to show accuracy out from 35 -60 yards I have been told H&N are coming out with 10.3 gr slug or was it 10.5 , can’t remember, how true this is I don’t know
I have no info on a 10gr slug, all I know is the absolute difficulty making one as it is very stubby and not enough lead to make contact with the barrel, thus loss of air efficiency and not good for stabilizing, the longer the slug the better the BC. I asked H&N about this and even suggested a tin slug as it will give more body surface and weigh lighter... but at 8x the price I don't think anybody will buy them.
Now this is fun, think HW2 is teetering on a cliff, maybe it will fall off? "Not Be Back". Think the slugs need to go out of a 16-20ft/lb. Once again flippen awesome
take a look at the twist and barrel diameter of each gun and pellets too ,shoot from a steady rest ,i think canting is to see at 8.33 min , with a limit of most pellets at 850 fps or so , a 177 with more speed should use slugs and the fast twist
Unfortunately I don't have that info available. I am going to test different head sizes next. The HW2 was bought 2nd hand, the HW1 and AA HFT 500 I might be able to source.
@@AimSmall with a cleaning rod ,and a tight fitting patch ,draw a line at the lenght of the rod ,set a starting line at the muzzle on the rod ,pull it out let it turn til the line at the lenght is at one full turn ,set a line at the muzzle ,tou got the twist and lenght of it.
They shoot damn good in my kral and flash in 177, Also in 22 cal they shoot good out of my crown, avenger, flash, and my gamo urban. Out of my crown and avenger my fps is 975 and I'm hitting anything within 60-70 yrds
They are predominantly used for short range pest control, ratting etc. Best at 20m , they don't like going further out, almost like wad cutters (10m competition pellets)
I just bought and received a cheapo optical chrony for $35usd from Amazon, it was of course built in China. I haven't tested it yet, and only really bought of for really short range testing where my FX can't work. Also, do you trap all the lead you throw down range? Just wondering if you could find a mould to cast pellets, or a swage to form them. Not sure if you could find something that worked well for competition.
Yes I do collect the lead, I am very environment conscious and don't want lead all over the place. I have 14kg worth of lead waiting to be turned into fishing sinkers.
Terminator are my First Pellet for my neu gun and First time these Pellets at all . But i am not home for a while and cannot try both of them . I just drive home 1400 km to recieve them both and then went back 1400 km .unfortunaly i could not take it with me . How you can See on my Englisch i am in Europa . The reason my i did not order it here Was the silencer. Its not allowed here but at home .here again its allowed to tune my gun up . Thats not allowed at home . Oh , what strange laws. The next Pellets are the gamo Magnum. Im exited to get home .
Can't say your results with the slugs surprise me, if you're putting them through a UK legal gun. My own HW100 was born as a .22 FAC but I recalibered it to .177 without messing with the power, and it shoots one-hole groups @ 30m with 16gr H&N slugs. I really ought to chrono it.
Instead of using 3 different guns, please make a video with Impact MK2 with different power rates using the same pellets. So we have the Chrony reference - at what fps, which pellet shoots accurate . Overall nice video - You should be BACK !!! haha.
@@AimSmall yes Sir, i saw that video with 5.5 but in India, we have only 1 option i.e. 177 and very difficult to get spares and Chronograph all. So when you make a video with Chrony readings, also show the VAlve position - Dial number with distance measurements (Important) and Pressure kept. So at what settings, which pellets shoots accurate and we can follow your settings right away !! Thanks a lot in advance.
Crow magnums and hornets will stack each other out of my break barrel in 25. @10m Hunter extremes also had good accuracy in the same gun but if I use them on a large rodent they would deform and bounce off the skull without even fracturing it I wouldn't use them for anything bigger than a rabbit.
Mmm interesting observation. Will have to ask Jorg (at H&N) about that, but he did confirm that this is only for high power guns... Ans so a learn everyday. Thanks for pointing this out to me.
0:14 Before I watch more of this video I place my bet on the Barracuda Hunter Extreme for expansion and on the Terminator for penetration... Lets see if you owe me money 😎
Aarh I know why some of the groupings are off you must be still using the winter and spring air and not changed over to summer air yet it can cause this poor grouping like you've just experienced 😉😜😉😘😂😂😂
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Thank you for doing the pellet reviews. Everyone does presentations on guns but not pellets. Thank you.....
Great review. I bought some Crows to try them in the R10se (sub 12), erm...rubbish. I used 10 through the magazine, then melted the remainder and turned them into fishing weights. It's the only thing they are fit for.
I have the Hatsan Flashpup .177 & have shot all the same H&N pellets as you in this video. And I had mostly the exact same results! Baracuda hunter 10.49g being the most accurate & a solid energy transfer! Great for hunting! Only difference I had was the Crow Magnum’s 8.80g were my 2nd in accuracy & slightly better in results than the Baracuda Hunter Extreme’s 9.57g! The Rabbit Magnum ll 15.74g slugs I have are tied for 2nd in accuracy but are Heavy!! At 15 to 30yrds pack a huge punch ! I personally would only use these for hunting at maximum distance of 30yrds. I think the difference in this slug & the one in your video is no hollow point! These are just domed! I pleasantly enjoyed your video review! It was nice to keep it to the point & none of the extra babbling on! It was quite the breath of fresh air, compared to most of the other videos! Not once did I have to skip through any part! So thank you once again;)!
Wow.....glad your having so much fun gert.....and sharing it with us....rock on bro....
Rock on! Whahaha, thanks for that.
Very satisfied with both accuracy and the devastating terminal performance of the Terminators out to 30 metres, on the local rabbit population. Shooting .177 sub 12 fpe. Thanks for your review.
Hi Mike, that is great news, must be my guns that are very sensitive - just like the owner. lol. I prefer expansion slightly above pure accuracy, I need to know that the shot will be a humane kill, with greater expansion even a shot not 100% correctly placed will still result in a humane kill.
Great videos, really helpful and illustrative. Also some sense of humor is always welcome. Thank you very much for taking the time.
Cool vid. I did the same exercise using my Hammerli 850 and it hated the Crow Magnums and loved the Hunter Extremes (same hole at 30m). It would have been great to include the .177 Hades with this lot. Cheers
Morning I use Bisley magnum pellets in my Rotex RM8, and looking at the shapes and weights, it looks like Bisley and H&M are made in the same factory, so for short range ratting I'm using Bisley pest control, like the H&M crows, and yes at 30m it's like a shotgun, but below 20m they're a tack driver, quiet and deadly, so give them a go at shorter ranges 😁
I bought a tin of Crow Magnums in .22 and tried them through 2 of my sub 12 fpe rifles in UK.
To be honest I didnt finish the tin, your grouping was spot on IMHO. The other point I would say is dont use Hollow points in Sub 12 you wont get the expansion. Again IMHO. Thanks for the great review.
"Precision Ballistics" UK have developed a 10.5gr swaged slug in .177 specifically for sub 12 ftlb guns.
I have tried them abd was pleased with the grouping at 35 yards 👍
Wish I could hold of some...
I was waiting for this test so much this test is very important for me thank you sir for making this wonderful vid
Thank you for the compliment.
@@AimSmall welcome 😃
Love your videos. You get straight to the nitty gritty.
Great video.
I like the Hornets. They just look mean! 😁
They are, but all the HP H&N pellets do major major damage
I wish to see same test with Fac airgun
Thank you for review, that was a good job👍🏻
I would like to see what is the impact of each pallet on the clay cube
A pellet designed for hunting is something I would consider for ratting, but a humane shot is paramount so needs to be reliably accurate. Of the ones you had on test only the Barracuda Hunter Extreme (cross head design) have been tested in my rifle but didn't group well, now I might try the Barracuda Hunter (hollow point). The main reason for using any of these over a round head would be for greater expansion. In my sub 12ft/lb gun expansion in the pellets I have tried seems minimal, I feel the reliable accuracy of a round head design the best. Although not entirely unexpected, the suitability of the 13.5grn slugs for sub 12ft/lbs was a disappointment. I really enjoyed your testing of the .177 ammo.
I really enjoy your videos. The crow magnums shoot great out of both of my .22 at 25 yards. They start opening up at 50 yards. fps between 650-850 works great. The expansion is obscene. The sound it makes when it hits a squirrel is as loud as the gun going off.
Nice. I need to do a clay expansion test...
I see you like that sound also. All of my 22 pcps shoot them at least 940-975 fps and they hit hard and good. My 177 (flash and Kral pit bull) shoots them @ 900-915 fps and they work well.
@@anthonygillespie4523 That is fast for a pellet, In .177 I don't like too high a speed, destabilizes the pellet... but I have been proved wrong a few times on this, barrel dependence.
@@AimSmall As SG says "my gun" will do this, I can't speak for or on the behalf of others guns. I'm just saying what mine do, and I'm getting good results. Some guns/pellets shoot better at lower FPS some don't. I tune them to shoot heavy pellets (9,6-10.34 grains) at higher FPS and they seem to shoot more steady than the avg 7-8.5 grains. It really depends on distance and what each gun likes at that distance. I go by this, power/speed isn't worth a dam if you can't hit what you are shooting at !!!
@@anthonygillespie4523 Well said. Each gun and barrel prefers different food. Shoot the stuff where it is most accurate. point.
Good sense of fun...
Hi Aim, firstly fantastic videos, exactly what you need to help sort out the chaff! I note that you didnt test the H&N Silver Point and I presume that it wasnt available at the time of testing. Are you able to update with the testing of new H&N pellets? And generally speaking because some rifles have sweet spots with particular pellets, what are your thoughts on the which is the best brand and name of pellet in the range?
Yup, no silver tips available. I am relooking the hunting pellets with the Ghost BRk at the moment
My hw97kt. 22 loves most h&n pellets. The hornet is great and also barracuda green.
Lovely, nice to hear some postive feedback. Hope you have plenty happy shooting to come.
Nice and informative. Big question for - why are you using sub 12 ft/lb guns in SA
The main competitions are sub 12fpe , HFT , FT and Benchrest. Plus the sub 12fpe are brilliant for pest control in buildings...
Awesome video I love your videos thanks for sharing be safe
Looks like hw100 no 2 needs some work on or swapped out. Your son has a gun that is out shot by another of the same. Odd really hw100 is usually so surgical and faultless. That Aa LW barrel loves all you feed it.
Love these vids both high and 12fpe power. Learning with you buddy. Jim UK
Yes, HW2 is pellet fussy, don't know why. I will be testing different head sizes shortly to look for the best food for the gun... Can't have an inaccurate gun in my collection. lol.
thenk ju very muc terminator for me .can you do book pages test?? And how deforms inside book and inside chicken??
Will do a clay test soon to look at expansion and penetration
@@AimSmall chicken test will be beter for me thanks.sub 10 rifle.im will buy spa artemis cp2 4,5mm waiting for delivery now...
Great review
Set your fx chrony to airsoft or air pistol, it will pick up the slower projectiles
I was going to suggest this too, but I haven't tried it on mine yet.
Very detailed informational video thanks a lot👍👍
the baracuda hunter 4,5mm / .177 cal i have good experience with i recently got myself a new toy to plink with the gamo hpa mi maxxim igt in .177 cal it is a breakbarrel and shot the baracuda hunter at a max indoor range of 25 meters after zeroing my scoop a 3-9 40 just a simple gamo scoop no mildot and shot hole in hole at 25 meters im still testing my new toy soon i wil be able to shoot at a indoor range of 100meters and see what it is capable off and what ammo it likes for now i watch you fire the slugs wich im interested in iff i can fire them in my gamo hpa mi maxxim 24joule .177 like your channel tons of info thanks
good stuff mate ! keep up the good work
Why H&N Hornet has so low 4th rating in your comparison? You've got amazing grouping with it, better than extreme, lol.
That point is so hard... it goes through everything. Will relook video to check rating. Tx for spotting this.
Another good vid , but it would be nice to show accuracy out from 35 -60 yards
I have been told H&N are coming out with 10.3 gr slug or was it 10.5 , can’t remember, how true this is I don’t know
I have no info on a 10gr slug, all I know is the absolute difficulty making one as it is very stubby and not enough lead to make contact with the barrel, thus loss of air efficiency and not good for stabilizing, the longer the slug the better the BC. I asked H&N about this and even suggested a tin slug as it will give more body surface and weigh lighter... but at 8x the price I don't think anybody will buy them.
Great job ! Will the Hornets fit my hw100kt mag?
Now this is fun, think HW2 is teetering on a cliff, maybe it will fall off? "Not Be Back". Think the slugs need to go out of a 16-20ft/lb. Once again flippen awesome
HW 2 is just pellet fussy, a lot more consistent with 4.52's, I will be testing that theory this weekend if I get time.
take a look at the twist and barrel diameter of each gun and pellets too ,shoot from a steady rest ,i think canting is to see at 8.33 min ,
with a limit of most pellets at 850 fps or so ,
a 177 with more speed should use slugs and the fast twist
Unfortunately I don't have that info available. I am going to test different head sizes next. The HW2 was bought 2nd hand, the HW1 and AA HFT 500 I might be able to source.
@@AimSmall with a cleaning rod ,and a tight fitting patch ,draw a line at the lenght of the rod ,set a starting line at the muzzle on the rod ,pull it out let it turn til the line at the lenght is at one full turn ,set a line at the muzzle ,tou got the twist and lenght of it.
H&n pellet?
I bought those Crow Magnum's more then 15 years ago and had the same results. Now I use them to brake in a new gun. I don't why H&N still makes them.
They shoot damn good in my kral and flash in 177, Also in 22 cal they shoot good out of my crown, avenger, flash, and my gamo urban. Out of my crown and avenger my fps is 975 and I'm hitting anything within 60-70 yrds
They are predominantly used for short range pest control, ratting etc. Best at 20m , they don't like going further out, almost like wad cutters (10m competition pellets)
How to order?
Most batter pellet?
Can I buy all the tins of hunting pellets you have tested somewhere ??? Thanks
Yes they are commercially available from pelletgun shops, try pelletgun.com , they have most, or Rashaad at Outdoorpitstop
@@AimSmall Thanks Aim Small.
I just bought and received a cheapo optical chrony for $35usd from Amazon, it was of course built in China. I haven't tested it yet, and only really bought of for really short range testing where my FX can't work.
Also, do you trap all the lead you throw down range? Just wondering if you could find a mould to cast pellets, or a swage to form them. Not sure if you could find something that worked well for competition.
Casting pellets is very hard
But yes I collect all the lead from my airgun and cast them into small coins instead
Yes I do collect the lead, I am very environment conscious and don't want lead all over the place. I have 14kg worth of lead waiting to be turned into fishing sinkers.
Terminator are my First Pellet for my neu gun and First time these Pellets at all . But i am not home for a while and cannot try both of them . I just drive home 1400 km to recieve them both and then went back 1400 km .unfortunaly i could not take it with me . How you can See on my Englisch i am in Europa . The reason my i did not order it here Was the silencer. Its not allowed here but at home .here again its allowed to tune my gun up . Thats not allowed at home . Oh , what strange laws. The next Pellets are the gamo Magnum. Im exited to get home .
Can't say your results with the slugs surprise me, if you're putting them through a UK legal gun. My own HW100 was born as a .22 FAC but I recalibered it to .177 without messing with the power, and it shoots one-hole groups @ 30m with 16gr H&N slugs. I really ought to chrono it.
That is super results, my HW's don't want to shoot the 10gr faster than 610fps. the 16gr will probably be around 500fps or slower
@@AimSmall On the downside, I only get about 40 good shots before POI starts to drop, I reckon yours do a lot better.
@@mace8873 With the lower power it will have better shot count, I get about 110 good shots from 180bar down to 110 bar
@@AimSmall Think I'll dial mine down a bit, I don't _really_ need to throw slugs, and I'll take accuracy over velocity any day.
What is best .177 hunting pellet for about 30-35m out of hatsan edge 1000fps, im trying to hunt foxes and rabbits
H&N and jSB, just bout any of their pellets will work, stay away from the fancy "hunting" pellets, they are not good beyond 30m.
Instead of using 3 different guns, please make a video with Impact MK2 with different power rates using the same pellets.
So we have the Chrony reference - at what fps, which pellet shoots accurate .
Overall nice video - You should be BACK !!! haha.
I did the different speeds with the 5.5mm hunting pelltes, maybe time to dust the 177' of and redo a video for you.
@@AimSmall yes Sir, i saw that video with 5.5 but in India, we have only 1 option i.e. 177 and very difficult to get spares and Chronograph all. So when you make a video with Chrony readings, also show the VAlve position - Dial number with distance measurements (Important) and Pressure kept.
So at what settings, which pellets shoots accurate and we can follow your settings right away !!
Thanks a lot in advance.
Use your impact 177 barrel
Don't have one
Crows rubbish in both 100 and kt. Jsb knock out 10 something did OK but not so in kt
Crow magnums and hornets will stack each other out of my break barrel in 25. @10m Hunter extremes also had good accuracy in the same gun but if I use them on a large rodent they would deform and bounce off the skull without even fracturing it I wouldn't use them for anything bigger than a rabbit.
Very interesting, Thank you.
I'd bet HP on your slugs tin stands for hollow point rather than high power. But yeah still need to be shot faster.
Mmm interesting observation. Will have to ask Jorg (at H&N) about that, but he did confirm that this is only for high power guns... Ans so a learn everyday. Thanks for pointing this out to me.
0:14 Before I watch more of this video I place my bet on the Barracuda Hunter Extreme for expansion and on the Terminator for penetration...
Lets see if you owe me money 😎
Change your chrono to air pistol and you would have picked up the speed.
Please consider adding the Predator Poly Mags to the mix
Deadly accurate at sub 12 From FX Dreamline
Keep up the good work I appreciate it TOM
I will see if I can source them here, need to add the JSB hades to the mix as well
Aarh I know why some of the groupings are off you must be still using the winter and spring air and not changed over to summer air yet it can cause this poor grouping like you've just experienced 😉😜😉😘😂😂😂
Sub 12ftlbs🤣😂
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