Lost my mind when MaximillianDood gave TahmKench an L and gave the Talon with the dollar store Strider skin W. The FGC is really weak to titties and edgelord ninjas
coomer characters mostly look the same and in league they aren't that creative. in a f2p it gives off cashgrab energy. that's just me tho and i love being a hater
Bro, Sajam existing in the world of extremely knowledgeable in fighting games, but also very knowledgeable in league puts him in a league of his own when in comes to 2XKO coverage. Give me Voli or give me death
Barrel oki would be nasty n shit if they want they can make his orange a combo breaker like how it works in league which would be crazy but he absolutely has to be a setup character
Coneys list had a "Noone cares" tier and I just need to remind everyone at this time that every single character in LoL is a tattoo on someone. Every jobber you hate is someones favorite character in anything ever. Example: I would name my firstborn Anivia. That big dumb ice bird makes my heart soar.
The hardest part of finding characters for 2XKO is not making the roster 90% toplaners. Most of those champs were designed specifically for brawling. Other roles need representation, but its gotta be hard to add champs like Jax, Sett, Irelia, Riven, Aatrox, etc, and still have roster space for nerds like Malzahar and Varus.
Most archetypes in league translate into fighting games as zoners, and with a roster full of zoners the game is not going to be particularly popular. I think the issue is how do you translate ranged characters without making them zoners. Also the roster is huge, if they plan to include even half of the roster I’m out, learning match-ups is going to be a nightmare.
??? they already have Ahri and Yasuo in there as well as Ekko. Three champions that AREN'T toplaners. The only two confirmed right now that ARE actually toplaners are Darius and Illaoi. Besides, there's a TON of characters not played toplane that can brawl. Here are some examples from the support role: Braum Blitzcrank Taric Rakan Alistar Nautilus Leona Here's some examples from the jungle role: Kha'Zix Rengar Kayn Zac Sejuani Jarvan Lee Sin, for obvious reasons. Udyr Skarner Here's some examples from the adc section: Jhin (could play like Happy Chaos from GG) Samira Varus Ezreal Zeri Lucian Tristana Sivir So assuming the entire 2XKO roster is gonna be 90% toplaner is just false and ignorant.
hear me out on briar, the first time i saw this character, it reminded me of +r a.b.a, how she has a slow mode, and a high risk high reward mode where she becomes the gorilla, i would think this could be a neat design in a fighting game but i don't know how it would work on a tag game
i think kayn is more ABA... like kayn starts off first round in his normal form,has to do stuff to gather meter for his transform (has to do kind of alot to gain said meter) then he has two seperate special moves that turn him into either red or blue kayn which locks him into that state for the whole game. makes sense for it to be like this cause its simmilar to leauge where u can lose the game as kayn before you even got your form lol.. is it good desgin, though? idk its unique for sure
@@levaniandgiorgi2358 this is mostly strive ABA, where you need to get resources first, but when you are in the install you don't have much risk(only of getting off install, witch doesn't happen with kayn), the thing about +r ABA, is that you can gamble and install whenever you want, but there's risk attached to it(losing life/suka animation and briar self taunt), also both characters lose life, witch can be regained, are an absolute burst damage menace, and are the crazy quirky girl archetype
Sajam is like the guy who's just played every videogame ever. Mention any game from Overwatch to an obscure 1997 platformer distributed only in South-Eastern Romania, and Sajam will be like "Oh yeah I'm 3rd on the speedrun leaderboards for that."
@@Archflip holy shit you're right. Can we get an Easter egg of him saying Happy Birthday when this occurs if Fiddle gets the "Surprise Party" skin in game?
I haven't played league since like 2014 and this entire video was me being like "oh hey, finally a guy I know!" and Sajam immediately putting them in Not Interested
@@SupermanSajam You have like 6 women in Must Have, with about 12 dudes, and then nearly 20 freaks lmao. And then like 75% of your Indifferent and Not Interested characters are women haha. I don't think it's your fault, I guess it's just kinda the reality of how a lot of female characters are designed gameplay wise in video games lol.
I'm glad someone in chat called Bard "Arakune coded" because I think it would be so sick if he was like a cross between Big Band and Arakune... in a way that doesn't retain Arakune's toxic qualities.
Ain’t no way hard makes it in but yea he does look just like him but if you want that creepy “wtf is he doing character” depending on how they make it work it gotta be fiddlesticks. He’ll be like Faust n articune had a baby n his whole stick is he jump scares you with clones that act like the real one by doing moves the real one does and to fear you then kill you. Idk how they gonna incorporate stasus effects in the game if they will but fear for fiddlesticks has to be one of his gimmicks cuz that’s his whole thing in league he literally does not let you play the game or you are so terrified you try to play passive but fiddle will always find you and fear you til death. If they make fear where it’s a bunch of crazy shit on the screen or maybe you can’t do anything besides defend or maybe dp cuz your feared. They gotta do something really scary but cool
I think there’s gonna be a lot more women in the roster than the must have tier suggests. A higher proportion of female champs in league are mages enchanter marksmen that don’t fit too well in a fighting game (then again we got Jinx but she’s also the closest thing Riot has to a mascot), so the few that do fit like Samira Akali Leona Vi move way up in priority
6:17 if you were like me and wanted to see where Sajam talked about Braum, since I just saw that gameplay tease and I'm so down for it :D confirmed in 2xko like Sajam thought though! :)
My most wanted character to see is Yuumi.. Not actually as a character, but as a mechanic. When you select her on the character select screen, what you're actually choosing is to solo-main the other character you pick. Yuumi stays attached to them and gives them a buffed healthbar and maybe heals their recoverable health with the swap button, and possibly she also has her own assist attacks as replacements for the crazy stuff you can do with swapping... But she can't actually switch in, and when you lose your primary character you lose the round.
This sounds like it would be kinda similar to the thing Skullgirls does where you can play 1, 2, or 3 characters and the fewer you pick the better your stats are
Fiddle imo would be Faust n articune had a baby, his decoys act like the real one and do random attacks to scare you. Its interesting cuz it doesn’t do any dmg but In that moment you do not know if it’s the real one or not so ppl might waste key abilities on a decoy cuz of the “fear” aspect. Then his actual fear could either make the enemy start going crazy and seeing all kinds of shit then maybe his decoy can actually hit you now and he can get access to his ult and since his ultimate is basically adding a bunch of shit around him like a crow storm while still being able to freely move n use his abilities, they can tie it to being only used after being hit by fear since his ultimate in the game only really works if you can surprise the enemy which wouldn’t work in a fighting game since your always in your opponents face so fear would need to work differently
I think Yumi could totally be in the game as the character you pick when you want to play a solo character. So like in Skullgirls where you can pick your team size, itd be like that but you pick your main and Yumi and she'd just buff your main. Could totally work, and would be thematic for the character
If Gnar isn’t in 2XKO, Riot is basically throwing. Gnar would translate so well into a fighting game. Imagine a stance character where your stance is influenced by the game actions you take and not by hitting a button. Peak.
For those who don’t know League and are reading the comments, two clarifications for you. 1. Kled is indeed a homicidal furball riding a lizard, but getting knocked off the lizard makes him MORE homicidal and aggressive, not cowardly. 2. Naafiri has nothing to do with Noxus, she’s a sentient knife in the shape of a dog. One of the several alien Living Weapons in league alongside Aatrox, Varus and Kayn (when he’s cool).
@@noakinn I don't mind. The comment is meant for those who wouldn't know league and getting into the weeds on what a Darkin is wouldn't be as succinct.
btw did they rework kayn or something? I don't remember the whole red or blue kayn. Last time i played is around the second K.D.A stuff, when Qiyana is considered still new i think. Last time i do see anything about League itself is when Gwen releases
@@RenShinomiya121 Pretty sure that's always been a part of Kayn's whole deal. As he levels up he can choose for Assassin Kayn where he becomes master of himself, or he can give in to Rhaast which are the 'blue' and 'red' respectively.
Nami could be pretty cool if they make her a setplay/zoning character, throws bouncing bubbles around the screen and you have to jump the dormammu flame carpet and shit, could be tight.
I can't wait to watch you commentate on 2XKO. Feels like you're perfectly suited for it as the FGC commentary guy who also knows his LoL and TFT. (Also, the bigot tier is both hilarious and true.)
Zed is the Akuma of league, undeniably edgy but not overdone (like Kayn or Kage), hopefully wont take long to see him. His ult in League is literally the "youre already dead" trope, and the mechanic of marking your opponent to do a delayed explosion based on the damage done during the mark hasnt been done in a fighting game I believe, it could open up avenues for very tense mix-up/defense moments
Yorick should be even higher. If champs lose points for their playerbases being awful, yorick gains points for being absolutely unhinged. Also, it is a ton of fun to bash people with the shovel. Man's got a wall, a shovel, minions AND a stand, and a playerbase that posts deep-fried and distorted memes about shovels and trinity force. 10/10 would take brain damage again.
I always appreciate that when we get fighting games of pre-existing IP, the devs always mix in some characters that doesn't feel fighting gamey at all to fill specific archetypes. They're way more creative than me.
Dunno how well this will work but for Kayne, it could be based on round 1. If he wins, he is "worthy" and becomes blue If he loses, Red takes over. Both last for the rest of the game
Re: Janna though, Legends of Runeterra did a visual update that makes her way cooler. Her level-up makes her way more inhuman, way more spirit-y, which could be interesting as an install I guess. Nidalee is in a similar situation, her LoR visual update is night-and-day compared to her League appearance.
So for characters like Janna, I can imagine her being like mechanically hard to play as an assist character - requiring button holds and stuff while doing other inputs - because she'd mainly be designed as a support in a 2-player team (imagine you're teaching your friend how to play so you can pick Janna to do your fancy assist shit) and she'd cater more to that role if she made it in rather than be strong outright. I do feel there will be some characters designed with that 2-player team aspect in mind who give you some benefits for not playing solo and for helping people (based support role in a FG)
Neeko should be like Mokujin from Tekken, and basically a "random" character that you dont know what they are till the match starts and they transform.
As someone that played a lot of LoL a decade ago ( I stopped around when Vladimir got added ), this video mainly showed me how many champions got fully reworked / redone visually since then.
shen or thresh could justify a mechanic where you tag in your partner with super armor and let them go ham for a few seconds. would be sick to have utility require that degree of consideration when teambuilding, really curious to see how supports will be designed, if they're even adding in any
Havent watched the video yet but from looking at the thumbnail, i think Sion would be a great big body character! His E could be a simple projectile with added properties, Q would be a slow but powerfull launcher and W could maybe give him a hit of armor on his next move or something like that. Even his R could be translated into a dash/charge super that travels across the screen, so his LoL kit would get pretty much full representation. Going more in depth, you could also involve his death passive, possibly letting him get a turn after dying where he gets off the ground with a draining healthbar like GGST Nago blood rage or Eliza's Skelton mode from Skullgirls! Even his W passive could be included as some kind of power up after killing a character and his bigass axe would make for some satisfiying attacks. Kinda hyped myself up while writing this but i'm pretty sure that would be a neat concept. Rito hit me up pls! xoxo
My boy Cho'Gath was undersold. He has potential to be a really interesting grappler. Feast could be a command grab that builds him up like Manon in SF6. Rupture could be a full screen neutral tool like Potemkin's slide head in GGST. You could maybe make primal scream into a move that helps him guarantee oki, by locking out abilities, like the ability to switch or use reversals or something. He could be very interesting.
As a Sona/Soraka main that stops playing around 4 years ago, my heart skipped 5 beats when i see Sona and Soraka just go on NO tier back to back. They're my preciouses
I think League has alot of potential for easy stance characters (as in easy to play, or pick up). Bevause alot of stance characters in league are seperated by ranged amd melee forms, I think that it could translate into something easy to understand for players who want to learn a stance champ but are intimidated by how many moves they generally have. I would be interested to see Kayn as aFG character. He could earn stacks for certain actions, similar to Jamie, or Manon, but specific actions edge you towards different transforms. I think playing im your face and getting aggressive giving you a transform giving you a move set similar to Vaseraga, while playing poke/semi zoning gives you a transform maybe closer to uhhhh Axel or Dahl I'm with long range normals would create interesting mid game dynamics.
I'm not gonna pretend to be enthused about them in LoL but I'm surprised there's no enthusiasm for Janna and Lulu in a fighting game. Janna has pretty much the only oki in LoL as is, and turning her "I have walk speed until I throw this projectile at you" move into a fighting game move also creates interesting gameplay. Then she has burst for an ultimate. It sucks when she's just "press shield" in LoL but that's not gonna be what she does in a fighting game. Same with Lulu, she has Pix to set up mixups just like Zed does, and is one of the enchanters who will actually fight you (and this is from someone who bans her as ADC cos polymorph is so fucking annoying).
I think most people dislike it when that's the "best" option but I feel like most people don't really care: Persona does a good job of balancing it actually since there's a meter bonus for autocombo but they're basically always lower damage by quite a bit. Just depends on the exact context imo
I see it as it rewarding button mashing. Many beginners tend to default to just mashing because they haven’t learned motion inputs or proper timing yet, and if that mashing results in a series of attacks that are even an ok combo, they’ll start spamming it when threatened because it’s a safe option that will generally always get them some damage instead of experimenting with other stuff their character does and learning/improving through experience
@@gabrielpozlotka3473 but from a standpoint of casuals having fun with the video game they're playing, it seems to make more sense than sitting ur buddies down for an instrument lesson when they wanna try a new character to hit basic combos. it also serves as a mini-demo of what they should be trying to do for real combos imo its fine as long as the string wastes resources and is terrible on block, so they run into problems once someone evokes the evil art of holding back-wards (but still see the big pretty cutscenes if they hit)
Surprised to learn that Mordekaiser's Ult is the same as Feral Chaos' EX Burst in Dissidia Final Fantasy, except it's more meaningful here because it removes an enemy player from their team for an extended time while also putting them in the Own Zone. Would like to see that in another fighting game.
Kalista can actually be very fun. She has a spear whch has ofc melee moves but she can also shoot it and her passive where she bonds to an ally can make her interesting because this is a duo game. One of the ultimates could be throwing your ally in for big damage and they can start combos from there maybe
One thing I really appreciate is the tiers werent marked with "Deserved" and "no one wants them." It comes up alot when people discuss rosters for anything but I always just boils down to "add the characters I like cause they're popular and dont add unpopular characters even if they'd be cool because I dont like them." Im pretty judgemental when it comes to FG rosters so I really appreciate the wording here.
I haven’t got to the part about Lee sin yet, but it would be so sick if he could have a fireball that acts like his fireball in league and then he can like ward hop to an incoming tag and the insec the opponent into the corner with his kick. Shit could be hype
Could always make it so he jumps to your assist, too, so choosing a good partner with assists that leave them in different parts of the screen would be a part of team-building with him.
Sett fucking BETTER be in this damn game. That's my main in league and he is perfect for a fighting game. I've tried making some of my Tekken outfits look like him even lol
karthus and sion could really be interesting characters. Sion being so angry that he refuses to die and for the first maybe 10 seconds or so after dying he can fight alongside his partner. Karthus sees death as a good thing, so he sucks as a solo character, but he stays on the field permanently with an actual mana bar, and he can cast spells in the background whenever he wants to help his teammate. Idk, I like the idea of some characters being useful after death
I can't describe how excited I was to see an hour long 2KXO speculation video from you. But my best effort would be "very excited". I'm hoping for Trydamere, Rammus and Gragus personally. (Also I'm half way through editing my comment, I hope Nautilus makes it in, I just forgot about him). I think it'd be crazy if they didn't have every character that's in Arcane though
I think when it comes to Gwen and honesty what I think people are sleeping on for fighting game setting is her ult. It can be Install or Strider Orbs like super that let's her extend her pressure and combos. Just seems perfect to me
you didn't like sivir??? boomerang setplay holding you down with the threat on return, her R being an install that lets you ginei jin, and the possibility of them implementing spell shield in an interesting way? i think she has a lot of potential, plus the boomerang can lend itself to good melee and ranged animations.
C'mon, zoé should be in the game. You got the teleport, the q in two times spell to do oki or things like that. The E could be some kind of state for hard knockdown or things like that.
haven't played league in 10 years but its kinda funny seeing some champs just still have the same dated kits as they did back then. Good old malphite, ROCK SOLID as ever
Keep in mind udyr is a shamen beast mage who uses the traditional way of running hands; he is a mage but he uses his fist for spell casting and lets gods through his body to give him their powers to fight. And as a joke character they "could" add poppy or rumble for anyone to either lab with or just turn brain off and button mash.
12:50 As a Garen Stan, you’re not wrong but I beg to differ about being not fun to play! There is fun in simplicity, okay?! 😭 Anyway, I’m really hoping for Viego to make it in the most, above anyone else in my personal “Must Have” list.
As tempting as I think it is, I feel like they’re designing the characters based on their overall theme and not based on their league gameplay so honestly every character could be cool
when the game was first announced zi remember hoping for like 2 specific champs to be in the game, but the more I think about it so so many champs have such good fighting game potential. I think I am gonna have at minimum 3 characters I love playing, which I am thankful for cause I usually don’t get into tag fighters since I have 1 character I like way more than the rest
"Kled is cowardly without skaarl" bro what, kled literally fights you to the death when skaarl leaves. It's literally the equivalent of a soldier pulling out a knife and rushing you when his gun runs out of ammo
Idk about comparing their LoL in-game abilities when doing these kinds of things, their playstyle could always change to fit fighting games archetypes Ex: people thought Ahri would be a zoner cuz she’s a mage and she shoot projectiles in League, turns out she’s a rush-down, or Yasuo ofc would be this Vergil combo god of a champion in a fighting game, but he’s more defensive and plays around with stances, more of an opportunist rather than full rush-down So personally, I’d like to give the enchantresses of the game a chance to actually do some cool shit cuz people think they only buff and heal when the lore community knows champions like Sona can literally mortal kombat people
Sajam's dream roster: big dumb himbos and edgelords from wall to wall.
that like 90% of leagues male roster, tbh.
Calling it now, this is gonna be the third riot game where 99% of the player base hates irelia
Even mentioning Azirelia meta is instant PTSD for any LoR gamer
4th depending on what set of tft we're talking about
Wdym THIRD? It'll be the FOURTH! Irelia was hated in BOTH Legends of Runeterra and Wild Rift hahaha
N3rf Irelia
Oh i hate Irelia
Sajam discriminating against mages and enchanters for 52 minutes
The girls and the gays won't forget this
Listen fighting game characters have to fight
@@SupermanSajam it just sounds like you don't want a Morrigan UMvC3 situation again (and you'd be right for that).
@@jadene9022that's on riot.
@@jadene9022the girls and gays have forgiven sajam for his transgressions 🙏
Sajam is immune to coomer characters, but weak to big weirdos. Truly the moral opposite to both fighting game and MOBA audiences
coomer characters are a dime a dozen. we got a ton of them in fighting games already. but big weirdos are where it's at.
Based, we need more of him
Lost my mind when MaximillianDood gave TahmKench an L and gave the Talon with the dollar store Strider skin W. The FGC is really weak to titties and edgelord ninjas
coomer characters mostly look the same and in league they aren't that creative. in a f2p it gives off cashgrab energy. that's just me tho and i love being a hater
Yet he put Sion on "Please No". Like dude, a massive character with clunky movement but satisfying combos? What could possibly be better than that?
Bro, Sajam existing in the world of extremely knowledgeable in fighting games, but also very knowledgeable in league puts him in a league of his own when in comes to 2XKO coverage.
Give me Voli or give me death
As someone who’s played countless hours of both, it really does make you appreciate him more ( which I didn’t think was possible )
my man's angling for those riot commentary checks, u love to see it
Yeah it was fun watching him play LoL with Lilypichu yesterday
You could say he ate and left no crumbs at riot 😏
i would be really hurt if he wasnt in
“Gnar, my GOAT”
And Sajam, you’re my GOAT for acknowledging the GOAT.
Ye Gnar is peak
Gnarest of all time
me having stopped playing at the beginning of season 3: "Who the fuck is this? Who the fuck is that?? They all look sick!"
yeah say what you will about Riot but the champ designers and the art team are unmatched
"Barrel Oki? Come on, brother."
And with those simple words, Sajam has convinced me to main Gangplank.
-a Baldur's Gate 3 player
Barrel oki would be nasty n shit if they want they can make his orange a combo breaker like how it works in league which would be crazy but he absolutely has to be a setup character
@@raekwonchambers2297 poke -> counter combo -> barrell setup oki 50/50 unlockable 😂
@@raekwonchambers2297 Imagine juggling a Gangplank only to see him eat an orange
Coneys list had a "Noone cares" tier and I just need to remind everyone at this time that every single character in LoL is a tattoo on someone. Every jobber you hate is someones favorite character in anything ever.
Example: I would name my firstborn Anivia. That big dumb ice bird makes my heart soar.
while reading your comment I was already thinking "no one is an anivia simp though"
I stand corrected.
It's the Pokemon principle. No matter how much you don't like a design, every Pokemon is someone's favorite.
@@tyrant3191 Froggen made a whole ass career out of being an anivia simp
I haven't played LoL in years and I would still die for Rammus
Ziggs is my sweet baby boy
Sajam started talking Quin up and I had a flash of, "Someone finally gets it!" and then he put her in not interested and I was very sad
“This character has a lot of cool skins”
proceeds to show them in a suit again
At that point it's a preference
The hardest part of finding characters for 2XKO is not making the roster 90% toplaners. Most of those champs were designed specifically for brawling. Other roles need representation, but its gotta be hard to add champs like Jax, Sett, Irelia, Riven, Aatrox, etc, and still have roster space for nerds like Malzahar and Varus.
Most archetypes in league translate into fighting games as zoners, and with a roster full of zoners the game is not going to be particularly popular. I think the issue is how do you translate ranged characters without making them zoners.
Also the roster is huge, if they plan to include even half of the roster I’m out, learning match-ups is going to be a nightmare.
@@Laxhax123 lucian would be a sick close range fighter in project L
???
they already have Ahri and Yasuo in there as well as Ekko. Three champions that AREN'T toplaners. The only two confirmed right now that ARE actually toplaners are Darius and Illaoi.
Besides, there's a TON of characters not played toplane that can brawl. Here are some examples from the support role:
Braum
Blitzcrank
Taric
Rakan
Alistar
Nautilus
Leona
Here's some examples from the jungle role:
Kha'Zix
Rengar
Kayn
Zac
Sejuani
Jarvan
Lee Sin, for obvious reasons.
Udyr
Skarner
Here's some examples from the adc section:
Jhin (could play like Happy Chaos from GG)
Samira
Varus
Ezreal
Zeri
Lucian
Tristana
Sivir
So assuming the entire 2XKO roster is gonna be 90% toplaner is just false and ignorant.
@@Geheimnis-c2e two of them are melee though, issue isn’t top lane or not, it’s how you make ranged characters work without half the cast being zoners
@@Geheimnis-c2e mf just said yasuo wasn't a top laner lul
hear me out on briar,
the first time i saw this character, it reminded me of +r a.b.a, how she has a slow mode, and a high risk high reward mode where she becomes the gorilla, i would think this could be a neat design in a fighting game but i don't know how it would work on a tag game
I agree, I'm a Briar top otp and an ABA main
It's not as apparent in jungle but in top the playstyle is fairly similar
i think kayn is more ABA... like kayn starts off first round in his normal form,has to do stuff to gather meter for his transform (has to do kind of alot to gain said meter) then he has two seperate special moves that turn him into either red or blue kayn which locks him into that state for the whole game. makes sense for it to be like this cause its simmilar to leauge where u can lose the game as kayn before you even got your form lol.. is it good desgin, though? idk its unique for sure
@@levaniandgiorgi2358 this is mostly strive ABA, where you need to get resources first, but when you are in the install you don't have much risk(only of getting off install, witch doesn't happen with kayn), the thing about +r ABA, is that you can gamble and install whenever you want, but there's risk attached to it(losing life/suka animation and briar self taunt), also both characters lose life, witch can be regained, are an absolute burst damage menace, and are the crazy quirky girl archetype
@@levaniandgiorgi2358 Yeah but ABA actually leaves moroha mode, like how briar leaves frenzy
@@levaniandgiorgi2358 nah it's not the same at all, cause aba moroha makes her play like a psycho, same as briar
I feel like Akali is "must have, but also she's literally Ibuki"
Or Valentine from Skullgirls. She already has a nurse skin.
@@jamariirobinson725 right 😆
MK1 Smoke
finally a league champions video from someone that's actually played league
Sajam is like the guy who's just played every videogame ever.
Mention any game from Overwatch to an obscure 1997 platformer distributed only in South-Eastern Romania, and Sajam will be like "Oh yeah I'm 3rd on the speedrun leaderboards for that."
Gonna need a sajam commentator pack for 2XKO where someone dones their level 3 and he says "will it kill?!"
Combine it with the tasty steve commentator pack to have "INTO LEVEL 3 THAT WAS GOD- STEVE MY ARM!"
I hope they add a guy who has a upbeat attitude incredibly loud uses a pole arm is buff and is blonde
jarvan iv
Braum is loud, has an upbeat attitude and is buff. But he uses a shield and is bald.
FOR MY FATHER THE KING
@mezi156 quick wiki read not exactly what I'm looking for but ok
Found the fellow vane/sin player, literally me fr
If Fiddle isn't in the game I'll riot. Bird projectiles, giant scythe reap... Just the animation potential is worth it.
im sorry but fid doesnt have bouncybirds anymore
@@JDReC100 doesn't mean you can't put them back for fighting game. You can summon the bird, have a delay, and then it tracks towards the opponent.
Fiddlesticks was made to catch enemies in a Happy Birthday.
@@Archflip holy shit you're right. Can we get an Easter egg of him saying Happy Birthday when this occurs if Fiddle gets the "Surprise Party" skin in game?
He's basically faust from guilty gear , he'll make it for sure
It's funny seeing this pop up, after watching Lily, and then you, convince Phi to play League when Tekken went down for maintenance.
Yeah, between these two events back to back I have never been more pressed to relapse in my LIFE.
I saw a bird with ice powers and had fucking PTSD flashbacks to Heritage for the Future
Petshop trauma
I need Taliyah to be in 2XKO, so Sajam can say throw another rock when it comes time to vote for WiK
I haven't played league since like 2014 and this entire video was me being like "oh hey, finally a guy I know!" and Sajam immediately putting them in Not Interested
Sajam putting all the women in "Not Interested" is fucking funny.
The density of furries/anthro in the top two categories also cracks me up
Did we watch the same video?
My second choice is Samira!
I mean he said he played shaco
@@SupermanSajam You have like 6 women in Must Have, with about 12 dudes, and then nearly 20 freaks lmao. And then like 75% of your Indifferent and Not Interested characters are women haha.
I don't think it's your fault, I guess it's just kinda the reality of how a lot of female characters are designed gameplay wise in video games lol.
I'm glad someone in chat called Bard "Arakune coded" because I think it would be so sick if he was like a cross between Big Band and Arakune... in a way that doesn't retain Arakune's toxic qualities.
Eh I can live happily without seeing use the word "coded" in that way
The word did so much damage to media criticism it's unreal
Ain’t no way hard makes it in but yea he does look just like him but if you want that creepy “wtf is he doing character” depending on how they make it work it gotta be fiddlesticks. He’ll be like Faust n articune had a baby n his whole stick is he jump scares you with clones that act like the real one by doing moves the real one does and to fear you then kill you. Idk how they gonna incorporate stasus effects in the game if they will but fear for fiddlesticks has to be one of his gimmicks cuz that’s his whole thing in league he literally does not let you play the game or you are so terrified you try to play passive but fiddle will always find you and fear you til death. If they make fear where it’s a bunch of crazy shit on the screen or maybe you can’t do anything besides defend or maybe dp cuz your feared. They gotta do something really scary but cool
I just want to point out that Camille's Q literally has a flashkick animation in league. That is all.
Shaco being please no made me laugh my ass off, def saying slurs lol
Sajam being a Rumble fan proves that he has good taste
I still remember the days when he was popular in competitive for like a full year, don't miss that part...
his animation in superheat could be so funny in 2XKO
@@catoblepas8697I could see it now… doing combos with 75-100% heat gonna be like a tod cuz he does so much dmg when he has high heat.
I think there’s gonna be a lot more women in the roster than the must have tier suggests. A higher proportion of female champs in league are mages enchanter marksmen that don’t fit too well in a fighting game (then again we got Jinx but she’s also the closest thing Riot has to a mascot), so the few that do fit like Samira Akali Leona Vi move way up in priority
20:20 "I think Kindred is super tight"
Yeah you and Kindred mains both buddy.
I mean did u see the model from the 2024 cinematic?
6:17 if you were like me and wanted to see where Sajam talked about Braum, since I just saw that gameplay tease and I'm so down for it :D confirmed in 2xko like Sajam thought though! :)
My most wanted character to see is Yuumi.. Not actually as a character, but as a mechanic.
When you select her on the character select screen, what you're actually choosing is to solo-main the other character you pick.
Yuumi stays attached to them and gives them a buffed healthbar and maybe heals their recoverable health with the swap button, and possibly she also has her own assist attacks as replacements for the crazy stuff you can do with swapping... But she can't actually switch in, and when you lose your primary character you lose the round.
sounds like a cool diegetic solo char mechanic like in skugs
If yuumis in the game she better be a background character on a stage n that’s it cuz just no 😂
No pls, no more yuumi, i’ve had enough of that hellspawn that we call a cat.
This sounds like it would be kinda similar to the thing Skullgirls does where you can play 1, 2, or 3 characters and the fewer you pick the better your stats are
Yuumi should be in the game as a fuse, not a character
Fiddlesticks is the most apologyman addition possible
Fiddle imo would be Faust n articune had a baby, his decoys act like the real one and do random attacks to scare you. Its interesting cuz it doesn’t do any dmg but In that moment you do not know if it’s the real one or not so ppl might waste key abilities on a decoy cuz of the “fear” aspect. Then his actual fear could either make the enemy start going crazy and seeing all kinds of shit then maybe his decoy can actually hit you now and he can get access to his ult and since his ultimate is basically adding a bunch of shit around him like a crow storm while still being able to freely move n use his abilities, they can tie it to being only used after being hit by fear since his ultimate in the game only really works if you can surprise the enemy which wouldn’t work in a fighting game since your always in your opponents face so fear would need to work differently
"Barrel oki"
I didnt know I needed to hear those words until now. This has changed my view on GP forever as a main.
i didn't even know marlinpie was working at riot, good on him
He apparently played a big role in designing Yasuo and it really shows
I think Yumi could totally be in the game as the character you pick when you want to play a solo character. So like in Skullgirls where you can pick your team size, itd be like that but you pick your main and Yumi and she'd just buff your main. Could totally work, and would be thematic for the character
If Gnar isn’t in 2XKO, Riot is basically throwing. Gnar would translate so well into a fighting game. Imagine a stance character where your stance is influenced by the game actions you take and not by hitting a button. Peak.
Gnar will have a drive gauge
Also rat character that becomes big body is always fun
the game needs at least one yordle and he is the best choice
@@catoblepas8697 I fully agree, however, Teemo will 100% be on the base roster. Sadly.
Call big Gnar as an assist! Then, beat on your chest to display dominance.
For those who don’t know League and are reading the comments, two clarifications for you.
1. Kled is indeed a homicidal furball riding a lizard, but getting knocked off the lizard makes him MORE homicidal and aggressive, not cowardly.
2. Naafiri has nothing to do with Noxus, she’s a sentient knife in the shape of a dog. One of the several alien Living Weapons in league alongside Aatrox, Varus and Kayn (when he’s cool).
The darkin aren't aliens, they're corrupted ascended. Sorry for being pedantic
@@noakinn I don't mind. The comment is meant for those who wouldn't know league and getting into the weeds on what a Darkin is wouldn't be as succinct.
btw did they rework kayn or something? I don't remember the whole red or blue kayn. Last time i played is around the second K.D.A stuff, when Qiyana is considered still new i think. Last time i do see anything about League itself is when Gwen releases
@@RenShinomiya121 Pretty sure that's always been a part of Kayn's whole deal. As he levels up he can choose for Assassin Kayn where he becomes master of himself, or he can give in to Rhaast which are the 'blue' and 'red' respectively.
@@RenShinomiya121 That was always in his kit but he did have his essence system reworked so that you can't abuse it to get the desired form faster.
Nami could be pretty cool if they make her a setplay/zoning character, throws bouncing bubbles around the screen and you have to jump the dormammu flame carpet and shit, could be tight.
I can't wait to watch you commentate on 2XKO. Feels like you're perfectly suited for it as the FGC commentary guy who also knows his LoL and TFT.
(Also, the bigot tier is both hilarious and true.)
As a Rammus main for 11 years, it feels VERY validating to see you put him in "Must Have." Thank you, Sajam. Incredibly based opinion.
Ok
Zed is the Akuma of league, undeniably edgy but not overdone (like Kayn or Kage), hopefully wont take long to see him.
His ult in League is literally the "youre already dead" trope, and the mechanic of marking your opponent to do a delayed explosion based on the damage done during the mark hasnt been done in a fighting game I believe, it could open up avenues for very tense mix-up/defense moments
Yorick should be even higher. If champs lose points for their playerbases being awful, yorick gains points for being absolutely unhinged. Also, it is a ton of fun to bash people with the shovel. Man's got a wall, a shovel, minions AND a stand, and a playerbase that posts deep-fried and distorted memes about shovels and trinity force. 10/10 would take brain damage again.
I am hype for this, especially after watching MajinObama becoming obsessed with Tahm Kench.
I always appreciate that when we get fighting games of pre-existing IP, the devs always mix in some characters that doesn't feel fighting gamey at all to fill specific archetypes. They're way more creative than me.
Dunno how well this will work but for Kayne, it could be based on round 1.
If he wins, he is "worthy" and becomes blue
If he loses, Red takes over.
Both last for the rest of the game
LMAO, imagine having to throw first round just to play the better version of your character, that would be hilarious
Re: Janna though, Legends of Runeterra did a visual update that makes her way cooler. Her level-up makes her way more inhuman, way more spirit-y, which could be interesting as an install I guess.
Nidalee is in a similar situation, her LoR visual update is night-and-day compared to her League appearance.
It’s actually crazy how good lor nid looks and how they haven’t given her a visual update in lol
So for characters like Janna, I can imagine her being like mechanically hard to play as an assist character - requiring button holds and stuff while doing other inputs - because she'd mainly be designed as a support in a 2-player team (imagine you're teaching your friend how to play so you can pick Janna to do your fancy assist shit) and she'd cater more to that role if she made it in rather than be strong outright. I do feel there will be some characters designed with that 2-player team aspect in mind who give you some benefits for not playing solo and for helping people (based support role in a FG)
Reasons 2XKO needs Thresh: "In this Behemoth Typhoon..."
his flay is kinda like that, but also i could see braum behemoth typhooning with his shield
Neeko should be like Mokujin from Tekken, and basically a "random" character that you dont know what they are till the match starts and they transform.
As someone that played a lot of LoL a decade ago ( I stopped around when Vladimir got added ), this video mainly showed me how many champions got fully reworked / redone visually since then.
shen or thresh could justify a mechanic where you tag in your partner with super armor and let them go ham for a few seconds. would be sick to have utility require that degree of consideration when teambuilding, really curious to see how supports will be designed, if they're even adding in any
Sajam be like _"Lee Sin has a Sagat skin"_
Bruh, its called Muay Thai 🤦♂
Havent watched the video yet but from looking at the thumbnail, i think Sion would be a great big body character! His E could be a simple projectile with added properties, Q would be a slow but powerfull launcher and W could maybe give him a hit of armor on his next move or something like that. Even his R could be translated into a dash/charge super that travels across the screen, so his LoL kit would get pretty much full representation. Going more in depth, you could also involve his death passive, possibly letting him get a turn after dying where he gets off the ground with a draining healthbar like GGST Nago blood rage or Eliza's Skelton mode from Skullgirls! Even his W passive could be included as some kind of power up after killing a character and his bigass axe would make for some satisfiying attacks.
Kinda hyped myself up while writing this but i'm pretty sure that would be a neat concept.
Rito hit me up pls! xoxo
My boy Cho'Gath was undersold. He has potential to be a really interesting grappler. Feast could be a command grab that builds him up like Manon in SF6. Rupture could be a full screen neutral tool like Potemkin's slide head in GGST. You could maybe make primal scream into a move that helps him guarantee oki, by locking out abilities, like the ability to switch or use reversals or something. He could be very interesting.
As a Sona/Soraka main that stops playing around 4 years ago, my heart skipped 5 beats when i see Sona and Soraka just go on NO tier back to back.
They're my preciouses
Jhin beeing in the fourth spot of Must have. Perfection
I want more FGC creators to do videos like this. MajinObama's video about League characters was incredible.
Orianna has such a high potential. Her kit is already pretty much a puppet fighter AND she has assists through her shield or speed boost
I think League has alot of potential for easy stance characters (as in easy to play, or pick up). Bevause alot of stance characters in league are seperated by ranged amd melee forms, I think that it could translate into something easy to understand for players who want to learn a stance champ but are intimidated by how many moves they generally have.
I would be interested to see Kayn as aFG character. He could earn stacks for certain actions, similar to Jamie, or Manon, but specific actions edge you towards different transforms. I think playing im your face and getting aggressive giving you a transform giving you a move set similar to Vaseraga, while playing poke/semi zoning gives you a transform maybe closer to uhhhh Axel or Dahl I'm with long range normals would create interesting mid game dynamics.
I'm not gonna pretend to be enthused about them in LoL but I'm surprised there's no enthusiasm for Janna and Lulu in a fighting game. Janna has pretty much the only oki in LoL as is, and turning her "I have walk speed until I throw this projectile at you" move into a fighting game move also creates interesting gameplay. Then she has burst for an ultimate. It sucks when she's just "press shield" in LoL but that's not gonna be what she does in a fighting game. Same with Lulu, she has Pix to set up mixups just like Zed does, and is one of the enchanters who will actually fight you (and this is from someone who bans her as ADC cos polymorph is so fucking annoying).
I feel like Xayah could be a really fun character, have her summon Rakan kinda like android 18 summons 17 in dbfz, but make her a zoner.
counterpoin on Olaf:
my man going PLUS ULTRA on your ass pressing all the buttons on the video game
Hwei is more like asuka than nine in that he doesnt combine anything but rather pulls from three spellbooks each containing 3 spells
A lot of interesting choices. Zac and Gnar are my dream picks
Before the tier list started, knew Sett would be up there 100%. Perfect Grappler and Brawler for the game (also hes a JoJo reference)
Can't wait to fight a Xayah/Rakan duo with the names Her Point and His Anchor.
I've been tricked into consuming an hour of League gameplay knowledge, damn you!
Gragas is literally The Drunken Brawler. He is a must have.
"tasty steve doesn't know anything about league, he knows zed is cool"
I don't get it, why do FG players get upset over auto-attacks? smile
I think most people dislike it when that's the "best" option but I feel like most people don't really care: Persona does a good job of balancing it actually since there's a meter bonus for autocombo but they're basically always lower damage by quite a bit. Just depends on the exact context imo
Lol
I see it as it rewarding button mashing. Many beginners tend to default to just mashing because they haven’t learned motion inputs or proper timing yet, and if that mashing results in a series of attacks that are even an ok combo, they’ll start spamming it when threatened because it’s a safe option that will generally always get them some damage instead of experimenting with other stuff their character does and learning/improving through experience
But there is no game where they're considered the best option?@@axis8396
@@gabrielpozlotka3473 but from a standpoint of casuals having fun with the video game they're playing, it seems to make more sense than sitting ur buddies down for an instrument lesson when they wanna try a new character to hit basic combos. it also serves as a mini-demo of what they should be trying to do for real combos
imo its fine as long as the string wastes resources and is terrible on block, so they run into problems once someone evokes the evil art of holding back-wards (but still see the big pretty cutscenes if they hit)
i like how the title makes it seem like sajam has no knowledge about league, but then in the video he already knows a lot about every character
Surprised to learn that Mordekaiser's Ult is the same as Feral Chaos' EX Burst in Dissidia Final Fantasy, except it's more meaningful here because it removes an enemy player from their team for an extended time while also putting them in the Own Zone. Would like to see that in another fighting game.
Kalista can actually be very fun. She has a spear whch has ofc melee moves but she can also shoot it and her passive where she bonds to an ally can make her interesting because this is a duo game. One of the ultimates could be throwing your ally in for big damage and they can start combos from there maybe
Thank you Sajam, for acknowledging my boomer thunder bear Voli would be great in a fighting game🙏.
One thing I really appreciate is the tiers werent marked with "Deserved" and "no one wants them." It comes up alot when people discuss rosters for anything but I always just boils down to "add the characters I like cause they're popular and dont add unpopular characters even if they'd be cool because I dont like them." Im pretty judgemental when it comes to FG rosters so I really appreciate the wording here.
I accepted a long time ago that Malphite and Alistar are gonna be background cameos at best.....maaayyybe Nautilus but im not holding my breath
I haven’t got to the part about Lee sin yet, but it would be so sick if he could have a fireball that acts like his fireball in league and then he can like ward hop to an incoming tag and the insec the opponent into the corner with his kick. Shit could be hype
Could always make it so he jumps to your assist, too, so choosing a good partner with assists that leave them in different parts of the screen would be a part of team-building with him.
I was just waiting for who was going to go in Please No first, did not disappoint.
His first words about Yorick, taken out of context
"I think he'd be extremely great for a fighting game. He's extremely toxic-"
Sett fucking BETTER be in this damn game. That's my main in league and he is perfect for a fighting game. I've tried making some of my Tekken outfits look like him even lol
"The Juri-coded character."
...Wait you just sold me on Briar! She even has the install and kick focus.
Did not expect the half hearted lead up into super in-depth coverage of riven
karthus and sion could really be interesting characters. Sion being so angry that he refuses to die and for the first maybe 10 seconds or so after dying he can fight alongside his partner. Karthus sees death as a good thing, so he sucks as a solo character, but he stays on the field permanently with an actual mana bar, and he can cast spells in the background whenever he wants to help his teammate. Idk, I like the idea of some characters being useful after death
"I love quinn"
"In the card game"
I didn't think Sajam would put any character in "Please No" tier, and then they started showing up in rapid succession! XD
I can't describe how excited I was to see an hour long 2KXO speculation video from you. But my best effort would be "very excited". I'm hoping for Trydamere, Rammus and Gragus personally. (Also I'm half way through editing my comment, I hope Nautilus makes it in, I just forgot about him). I think it'd be crazy if they didn't have every character that's in Arcane though
I think when it comes to Gwen and honesty what I think people are sleeping on for fighting game setting is her ult.
It can be Install or Strider Orbs like super that let's her extend her pressure and combos. Just seems perfect to me
If Yumi acts a single character mode i want her in. But only if it also limits you to one player
you didn't like sivir??? boomerang setplay holding you down with the threat on return, her R being an install that lets you ginei jin, and the possibility of them implementing spell shield in an interesting way? i think she has a lot of potential, plus the boomerang can lend itself to good melee and ranged animations.
C'mon, zoé should be in the game. You got the teleport, the q in two times spell to do oki or things like that. The E could be some kind of state for hard knockdown or things like that.
haven't played league in 10 years but its kinda funny seeing some champs just still have the same dated kits as they did back then. Good old malphite, ROCK SOLID as ever
Keep in mind udyr is a shamen beast mage who uses the traditional way of running hands; he is a mage but he uses his fist for spell casting and lets gods through his body to give him their powers to fight.
And as a joke character they "could" add poppy or rumble for anyone to either lab with or just turn brain off and button mash.
Viktor literally can be doctor doom with cooler moves and loops, a must have imo
12:50 As a Garen Stan, you’re not wrong but I beg to differ about being not fun to play! There is fun in simplicity, okay?! 😭
Anyway, I’m really hoping for Viego to make it in the most, above anyone else in my personal “Must Have” list.
As tempting as I think it is, I feel like they’re designing the characters based on their overall theme and not based on their league gameplay so honestly every character could be cool
when the game was first announced zi remember hoping for like 2 specific champs to be in the game, but the more I think about it so so many champs have such good fighting game potential. I think I am gonna have at minimum 3 characters I love playing, which I am thankful for cause I usually don’t get into tag fighters since I have 1 character I like way more than the rest
"Kled is cowardly without skaarl" bro what, kled literally fights you to the death when skaarl leaves. It's literally the equivalent of a soldier pulling out a knife and rushing you when his gun runs out of ammo
I’ve never heard anyone in my life say Lillia’s voice is annoying. She has a wonderful Scottish accent
Idk about comparing their LoL in-game abilities when doing these kinds of things, their playstyle could always change to fit fighting games archetypes
Ex: people thought Ahri would be a zoner cuz she’s a mage and she shoot projectiles in League, turns out she’s a rush-down, or Yasuo ofc would be this Vergil combo god of a champion in a fighting game, but he’s more defensive and plays around with stances, more of an opportunist rather than full rush-down
So personally, I’d like to give the enchantresses of the game a chance to actually do some cool shit cuz people think they only buff and heal when the lore community knows champions like Sona can literally mortal kombat people
Sajam is based for adding fiddlesticks to 'must have'