Tbh it would be courage because I don’t really want to have power as I’m not a great handler at it, wisdom, maybe, but I go to school so I’m fine, I’ll learn stuff anyway, in the long way, so not really. I need courage as I’m not that brave, and I want to be.
I’d love to have Courage, but I’d probably have Wisdom. I’d give you Courage because it takes a lot to be able to put yourself out in the world and be successful.
Calling Spirit Tracks the "Hero of Trains" is like calling Wind Waker Link the "Hero of Boats." I vote that we all refer to him as the "Hero of Spirits"
@@candy_face7796 Majora’s Mask Link as “Hero of Spirits”? That doesn’t make much sense, because it’s literally just the same Link as Ocarina, he’s the exact same Hero of Time. Yeah he’s on a different adventure but he doesn’t need/get a new title just because of that, the one in Link’s Awakening and Oracle games still has the same title. So “Hero of Spirits” works pretty good for Spirit Tracks imo. Especially since he’s on the Spirit Train, on the Spirit Tracks, with a spirit Zelda, using the Spirit Flute, trying to repair the Spirit Tower; you get the picture lol
8:55 it’s actually somewhat confirmed in game by the king of red lions in the 2nd quest when talking to jaboon in ancient hylian, and i quote “the one who i brought with me has no connection to the legendary one.” basically kinda setting in stone that hero of winds was just some random kid who had great courage.
Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia both say each Link contains the spirit of the hero. And "has no connection" could be taken to mean spiritually but could also equally mean by blood. I doubt either of them would be able to simply tell if Link contains the spirit of the hero, and we aren't even sure if they're aware Link usually reincarnates anyway (until Breath of the Wild, it seemed no one did, except Ganondorf's cut dialogue in Twilight Princess). Of course, you could also argue "having the spirit of the hero =/= being a reincarnation" I guess.
The problem with using The King of Red Lions' dialogue with Jaboon as 'evidence' that Wind Waker Link isn't the Spirit of the Hero is twofold. The first problem is that The King of Red Lions and Jaboon, obviously, exist within the restraints of the world of WW. In the case of the King of Red Lions, he also exists within the mindset of someone who has overwhelmingly been in isolation for hundreds of years, with his only real knowledge of the Hero being.... that the Hero didn't come to save Hyrule hundreds of years ago. Meaning that his words _can't actually be taken as objective fact._ He's saying what he thinks, with all the millenia of misinformation caused by oral tradition. The second problem is the existence of Skyward Sword on the whole. As a later entry to the series and one that Nintendo and Miyamoto were both *aggressively* involved in the development of, any information given in Skyward Sword takes priority over information given in any prior games. Meaning that the bit about how "the Mastersword is actually _Master's Sword,_ and can ONLY be wielded by the warrior with the soul of THE Hero;" takes precedence over the information given in Wind Waker. Including the bit about "not being the soul of the Hero." The problems with the "the spirit of the hero is dead forever" theory extend to Spirit Tracks. Demise's curse is literally overriding. No Spirit of the Hero, no Zelda with divine power from her divine heritage, and no embodiment of the hate of the Demon Tribe. The Malodus is still an evil that would fall under the Curse of Demise. It's not something that was ever limited to just Ganondorf and Ganon.
I think they mean bloodline not spirit of the hero. I've personally always thought of spirit of the hero as someone who imbodies courage and not so much incarnation. But that's me.
Ya know... I didn't think of it till now but... The time line split also fits the try force holders. Fallen timeline. Ganondorf wins. Young timeline. Link stops Ganondorf in time and his hero. Old time line. Zelda fixed the kingdom(since she spirited away link)
It seems obvious to me that the downfall timeline is simply the original timeline, and that Zelda used the Ocarina to turn back time after Link's death to give him another chance, creating the adult timeline. If she was already prepared to do something that drastic just so Link could experience his full childhood, then surely she would do the same if the hero were to fail and Ganon to win.
I can't remember which creator made it but there is a theory video saying that oot zelda's dream was a vision sent to the past by the zelda at the end of the downfall timeline
I think the timeline split happened because Ganon originally won, leading to the Fallen Timeline. Zelda, seeing the devastation wrought by Ganon, decided to use her time powers to send a dream to her past self, which allowed past Zelda to be on the lookout for a boy in green. In the "Original" Fallen Timeline, Link found Zelda, but was unable to convince her in time that Ganon was evil and killed the Great Deku Tree since she never had her prophetic dreams from her future self. They escape the coup with the help of Impa and wage a great war against Ganon and his minions for some 7 years or so. They eventually come up with a plan for Link to acquire the Master Sword, so with the help of the other races, launch a siege against Castle Town, rush towards the Temple of Time, and open the doors. Link takes the Master Sword, opening the way to the Sacred Realm, but Ganon was one step ahead of them. He kills Link and makes his way into the Sacred Realm, and the rest is told in legend. This would also explain why Twinrova is still alive, because they don't end up dying in this war.
I think the reason Twinrova are alive in the fallen timeline is because Link went to fight Ganondorf as a kid, no seven year stasis, as soon as he unlocked the temple of time. Hence, no fight against Twinrova
@@erner_wisal Not really. There is no way for kid link to reach Twinrova. The most likely explanation is that Ganondorf simply resurrected them. He'd already resurrected and created monsters before, don't see why he wouldn't be able to ressurrect powerful ancient witches when he has the full Triforce.
I like to imagine Winds was blessed by the spirit of courage when he soloed the forsaken fortress just to rescue his sister. So while not having a blood relation, the triforce looked at him and went "what the hell is that kid doing? Oh damn, we should help him out."
You know, one thing I noticed during the adult timeline of Zelda's section is that all of the Zeldas play a more proactive role in their respective plots because their iteration of their ancestor became a ninja during the apocalypse
ya never liked the sheik hype... which peach would also get her not just a damsel in distress in her own game. super peach. showin she doesnt really need mario to save her at all. lol. but zelda of TP was goat. should have kept that design and personality. i miss that version...
7:18 no, Malon’s mom wrote Epona’s song and taught it to Malon. But I DO believe the hero of time ended up with her. Which makes me happy, because they were absolutely perfect for each other. I also think the Hero of Twilight’s father was a swordsman of some sort, like his great (or great great) grandfather and Rusl who takes Link under his wing (my theory is he was friends with Link’s father and they were in the guard or whatever together, which is why he looks after Link after his parents die)
Absolutely. Headcanon is that Link eventually became a knight, had a shipwreck where he dreams of her (though they moved Awakening in the list), came back and married her. There’s a stone in OoT that says she wants to marry a strong soldier or something like that. They then have a farm that gets passed down and boom, Hero of Twilight.
@@ElijahNMitchell When was this? In Link's Awakening, Link mistakes Marin as Zelda, implying that Marin resembles her, and in Majora's Mask, Link is shown having memories of Zelda; Malon is never shown in the game.
If I remember how the triforce on the first game was originally supposed to be memory chips or something similar and link came from a different world, some people think that he is someone from our world who was transported to that world. But that original idea was scrapped, I think it was because it was hard to convey the idea of those chips instead of something more ideal like a triforce.
I have a rather unhinged idea about the timeline split in Ocarina of Time. The split itself occurs on three parts according to the individual wills of each Triforce piece holder, with each piece altering reality to do so, even to the degree of the Downfall Timeline paradoxically existing alongside the Adult and Child Timelines.
I've often wondered if the three timelines might match to each of the three triforces. Each timeline matching to which one was most prominent in resolving the situation in Ocarina of Time: Link's adventure, Zelda's Politicking, or Ganondorf's coup.
I’ve always had a theory as to why Link and Zelda in twilight princess already have their triforce pieces, and why the Triforce split up in the child timeline in the first place. I think that when Link returned to his own time at the end of OOT, his body had already been “chosen“ by the Triforce of courage, but just another timeline. So I think the Triforce in the child timeline sensed his presence and automatically hid itself within him, which then sent the other two pieces to their respective wielders as well. This is why Ganondorf, somehow, miraculously gained the Triforce of power when he was about to be executed. The try force of courage was then passed down through Link’s descendants.
I think it’s the opposite. Gannon got the triforce of power from the gods before he was seals away. We don’t know how long after that twilight princess happens but it possible that that link and Zelda were born with the triforce already.
@@bekadonahue7892 Nope all 3 triforce bearers in the child timeline got their triforce pieces because OOT Link was sent back to his original time, which inadvertently caused the triforce to split without the need for anyone to actually go touch it in the sacred realm, that’s how Ganondorf got the ToP prior to Twilight Princess. OoT Link passed down the triforce of courage down the family and eventually to TP Link, while Zelda inherits it from OoT Zelda
About the hero of winds, the spirit of the hero is not passed down through blood relation it’s literally just fate. The kid has the spirit of the hero, he wouldn’t be able to wield the master sword otherwise. But, the shard being shattered is probably still symbolism of the kid awakening that spirit that was within him, as maybe it was laying dormant inside him before that
I wouldn't say "just" fate - it's reincarnation. I honestly had no idea there were people who thought it was all blood relation till recently cuz it being reincarnation has always been the thing that makes the most sense to me.
7:14 my guess is in TP Link's mother died giving birth to him and then his dad died when Link was young say around 6-8. Instead of being sent to an orphanage the people of Ordon all look after Link and makes sure he's eating bathing etc while he works as a rancher.
Spirit Tracks Zelda isn’t actually a childhood friend of Link, she just needed to get to the Tower of Spirits and Link was the perfect one (and only one) to ask. In fact, Alfonzo is closer to a childhood friend than Link, at least at the beginning due to his past as a knight in service of the royal family
So my theory on Ganon. The triforce pieces all can transform the wielder into a beast imbued with the power of the respective piece when they're on the verge of death, or great stress. Ganon turns into a massive boar, one of the most dangerous and powerful animals. Courage transforms into a courageous beast like you said. In this case, a wolf. It's not known what wisdom would transform into. Perhaps an owl or something. But Kaepora Gaepora? Rauru had the whole triforce at the time did he not? What's not to say he'd utilize it to guide link? Or perhaps changes their identity entirely? Shiek for example, or since Ganon had all 3 pieces in ALttP, Agahnim.
Also I could see where in LOZ lore when Link doesn't specfically have someone looking after him the village looks after him. Takes a village to raise a child etc.
RE4 remake was the first major 2023 release for me, next is Totk. Can’t wait to see the gameplay tomorrow. Was also playing Skyward Sword earlier and just got the Hylian shield.
i think the defeated timeline is incorrectly interpreted if that makes sense. it wasnt that link was killed necessarily. just defeated at the climatic battle. he could still have been alive just not capable of fully killing off ganondorf/ganon. thus the sages had to step in and seal him away. but that is just my take on that jumbled mess of a branch
2:34 Hero of The Sky 3:52 Hero of The Minish 4:28 Hero of The Four Sword 5:00 Hero of Time 6:20 Hero of Twilight 7:21 Hero of Light 7:56 Hero of Winds 9:56 Hero of Spirits 11:43 Hero of Legend 13:09 New Hero of Hyrule 14:05 Hero of Hyrule 15:09 Hero of The Wild
Malodus and/or Majora could be entirely separate from Demise and his curse. Demise is the Demon King, not the only demon. Also, there's no Hylia blood princess in Majora's mask, which was a key part of Demise's curse "An incarnation of my hatred shall forever haunt the spirit of the hero AND the blood of the goddess" or something like that. I think Majora is a completely separate demonic entity, perhaps not as powerful as Demise but relatively very powerful for a Demon, and much more direct.
Maybe in the adult timeline the spirit of the hero could work differently too? Like the triforce of courage was shattered, so maybe that had an effect on links spirit, also causing it to shatter. Links spirit could have been placed separately in whoever’s potential to overcome their obstacles was the greatest, thus having a greater outcome of success in this timeline
The Hero is defeated timeline is the original child timeline from OOT imo. The new child timeline is where you were sent back before meeting Zelda. The fallen timeline is the original child timeline where Link would be in stasis after pulling the Master Sword. There is no Link there now and the last confrontation with Ganondorf was outside the castle where you lose.
I notice that nobody really mentions that ganon exists not just because of demise, but because groose was there. And that's incredibly sad because they all made up at the end of skyward sword and became friends.
The Tri-Force won't split if you stick it together from its pieces. That's because you might not have balance, but you earned it, you forced it to happen by imposing your piece over the other two.
Well...yes and no You can only get the triforce when you have a balance of power courage and wisdom If you collect the shattered pieces of the triforce...it would require all three of those things to accomplish it, so my gathering them you accomplished the requirements
I think the idea of “the spirit of the hero” completely accounts for an unconnected lineage of heroes. Sometimes they are descended, but that in no way is a prerequisite of possessing the spirit of the hero. The only character with a prerequisite of lineage is Zelda who will always possess “the blood of the goddess”. Wind Waker Link is not all that unique in that aspect. I think like half of the Link’s are ultimately just random kids who possess the hero’s spirit.
@@ssppeeaarr reincarnation is not lineage. My entire point is the spirit of the hero does not need to follow a bloodline. So what you said isn’t pertinent.
I like to assume that the Royalty in The Legend of Zelda use titles according to the logic of Shrek: "Farquaad: Evening. Mirror, mirror, on the wall, is this not the most perfect kingdom of them all? Magic Mirror: Well, technically, you're not a king. Farquaad: Uh, Thelonius? [Thelonius the executioner smashes a small looking glass] You were saying? Magic Mirror: [nervous] I mean you're not a king yet! But you can become one! All you have to do is marry a princess... Farquuad: Go on." Perhaps the ruler doesn't earn their title until they've married, hence why Zelda isn't Queen but her father was King. That would explain most of the series. There may be exceptions but it makes sense throughout the main games.
I would like to propose the title "Hero of Walls". Or possibly "Hero of Merge", even though that sounds like the title for the hero of a mobile puzzle game.
I would argue the hero of winds DID have the spirit of the hero, but that because of how long it had been since the spirit of the hero had a physical incarnation he had to prove himself worthy of the power of the triforce of courage. I don’t think he is descended from any other Links or anything, I just think the way he demonstrates unshakeable courage is like the sign that he does have the spirit within him.
When you have the confidence to name something "The Legend of..." means you're not playing games, right out of the gate. That Shigeru Miyamoto based this game off of what I was already doing as a child in the woods on imaginary adventures, makes it all the more magical to me in hindsight. 🗡△
If there was a Hero before the hero of the sky, that means there were 13. Also there were 2 Zelda in breath of the wild since there was a Queen Zelda and Princess Zelda, and let's not forget the the timeline split that no one talks about in skyward sword.
I believe the third Link is the Hero of Light. In Minish Cap, he restored the blade to it’s true power which allowed him to create three holographic copies of himself. The blade in Four Swords has the same hilt and the same color as the final one in Minish and he becomes 4 separate Links, each having one of his traits. They all have the same sword, just that the color on the hilt is different for each one. Red Link has red as the color on the end instead of green, Blue has blue and Purple has purple. Green being the original, still has the green color on his. He also deals with the same villain, Vaati
My headcanon for OOT ganondorf is that he originally wanted/ intended to work together with the king of Hyrule but along the way got corrupted and developed a thirst for power.
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I know I said this on the original but I like to bring up the idea for Twilight Zelda that she could just not be of age to 'officially' take the title of Queen (like in Frozen where Elsa had to wait 3 years after her parents dying before being allowed to take the title/full responsibilities).
HAPPY RAMADAN BANDIT! :] and in terms of Triforce, you’d be wisdom since you teach us the lore of the land. As for me, I personally want Wisdom too. If That Triforce means I get inspired for inventions to help people and have fun, sounds good to me! And personally I’d love to see what another person besides Ganon does with the Triforce of Power because the Gerudo King always loses. I’d love for a Zelda game where the heroes have power and courage, and the villain has wisdom!
That "other person" could develop megalomania and want to rule entire the World. 😮 Personally i wouldn't anyone to obtain the Triforce of Power unless they were extremely virtuous individuals with no ill intent for anyone or anything.
For myself: triforce of wisdom cuz Knowing things is cool, but sometimes I might need the courage one more haha. As for u: i bestow upon you the triforce of courage, so you have the power to do anything u want and set your mind to :)
Regarding the Hero of Winds and his connection to the spirit of the hero, Hyrule Historia and the Zelda Encyclopedia both say that every Link contains the spirit of the hero, so this would obviously include the Hero of Winds. And moving on to my own speculation: I think it's meant to be that the Hero of Winds isn't related to the Hero of Time by blood. In the King's conversation with Jabun, it's explicably said they were searching for someone related to the Hero of Time, if not the Hero of Time himself, and the King says that TWW Link "has no connection" to the Hero of Time. "No connection" can obviously be taken to mean he doesn't contain the spirit of the hero, but it can also simply mean he's not related to the Hero of Time by blood. And I doubt either the King nor Jabun would be able to tell whether or not Link is reincarnated from the Hero of Time, and it's not even made clear if they know that Link usually reincarnates. Ganondorf also said he believes the Hero of Winds to be "the Hero of Time, reborn" but this could simply be metaphorical. The Tower of the Gods and its purpose to test a new hero is also often cited as evidence, but other Links have had to go through similar challenges, such as the Links in A Link to the Past and A Link Between Worlds needing the Pendants of Virtue in order to prove themselves worthy of wielding the Master Sword. Also, you say ST Link lends to the theory, but I'd argue the opposite, and that his existence serves as proof that the spirit of the hero still exists in the Adult Timeline. tl;dr I believe the Hero of Winds holds the spirit of the hero and is a reincarnation like the other Links, however he's explicably not related to any previous Link by blood. 47:55 Also, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say the manual for A Link to the Past has been retconned. Hyrule Historia implies, like you said, that he extracted the Triforce of Wisdom from Zelda after defeating Link
I saw someone else say that the original Japanese version of Wind Waker has that line be different from the King of Red Lions to Jabun and so the English translation is faulty and can't be used as evidence. I haven't looked into this myself yet. Also Skyward Sword came after WW (in terms of release order) and so its reality takes precedence over anything before it due to all the work put into it to make it a true origin for the different iterations of Link/Zelda/Ganondorf. And Skyward Sword says only Link can wield the master sword so WW Link *has* to be spiritually the same Link as the rest. Also agreed about ALttP manual having been retconned since it contradicts too much of what they've said more recently and it was written so long ago before the games were even a huge series so isn't really accurate anymore.
I think that this is a reference to kaepora gaebora,he said that link was a courageous boy but that he is not The Hero Of time,who is The Hero Of time? Link,is the same case(if you look mistakes in my writing is because i'm not a native speaker).
@moonlitxangel5771 in Japanese they say he is unrelated to the legend unlike the English localization that says he is unrelated to the legendary one. All other languages are similar to the Japanese wording to. Where they aren't saying how he isn't related to the hero of time but rather he has nothing to do with the past.
I watched this in one sitting while goofing off on a video game. Great vid. Amazingly accurate. Balance is fairly struck between too much info and not enough (or boring, wordy analysis versus shallow, meaningless crap. you found the tightrope between these and walked it like a boss). I've been subbed for literal years, but I put a thumbs-up on this video (which i rarely do) EXCLUSIVELY because of the tiny tiny detail all the way at the end. THAT. that was priceless. I literally laughed hard at that bit.
In my personal headcanon, Zelda from zelda 1 dies at the end from the exhaustion of resisting Ganon's torture. It explains why she is not present in the kingdom in Zelda 2, and even gives link some seriously good motivation for awaking the original ancient zelda from her slumber. It would be a great twist in a novelization.
Alternate reality? I think the Downfall Timeline was the only true timeline and the other two were just stories that the Hylian survivors told to maintain hope.
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Putting Link's Awakening before the Oracle games makes Link's Awakening less selfish. Having Link's Awakening after the Oracles means that the only person helped by destroying the demiplane of Koholint Island and killing everyone in it is Link. Moving it before the Oracles means that everything Link did in the Oracles is now dependent on Link being Koholint Island's annihilator. The deaths of Marin and everyone she's ever known are no longer without purpose.
¿How is it selfish to free an illusory island from the demonic *Nightmare's* control? If you had to choose between ETERNAL enslavement under the Nightmare's control or dissapearing from reality i would definetly choose the latter in a heartbeat.
@@heroofmasks its kinda up in the air if the oracle games and link’s awakening are the same link despite looking different from each other and they’re placed directly after LA, it could be the same link after the events of koholint
@@yggdrasilsaltar So he goes sailing on a boat one day, becomes shipwrecked on an dream island, returns to Hyrule to have an audience with the Triforce, gets sent to Holodrum and Labrynna and then goes sailing on a similar boat to the one he used before? Very contrived and unrealistic if you ask me.
They are most likely not even the same Link anymore, as it was stated in the encyclopedia (minus one mistranslation). They most likely changed it because Zelda and Link meet for the first time in the Oracles and even Impa doesn’t know him at first. Nobody does. If he were the legendary hero, he’d probably be acknowledged as such.
10:02 so let me get this straight… from the game SPIRIT tracks, a game where you are accompanied by a Zelda’s SPIRIT trying to reconnect the tower of SPIRITS and generally work with SPIRITS to fight Malladus, an evil formless SPIRIT… you decide to call that link the hero of trains(?) and the hero of Spirits??
Does demise’s curse stop existing in the adult timeline? With no spirit of the hero to pursue maybe ganondorf stops being an embodiment of hatred. Would explain why he (relatively) chills out in windwaker
I’d take the triforce of wisdom, because knowing is half the battle. Also if Zelda and Link from Skyward Sword repopulated the land wouldn’t that mean everyone is related which implies inbreeding…..
Could be both literal (in that they had children together) and figuratively (they helped build a community with other Skyloftians who also had children etc etc)
In reallity, the link and zelda of the oracles are different from those of link to the past, as indicated in the original japanese version of hyrule encyclopedia, even the game confirms this in a way, since zelda is presented to link as if they did not know each other, which would not make sense if they were the same as ALTTP.
Exactly plus Ganon meets Link face to face after been resurrected by Twinrova and even though his mind was broken due to Twinrova failing to sacrifice Zelda he would at least have recognized the same Link who defeated him a while back.
Hyrule Encyclopedia is not written by Nintendo so it was already said that the info inside are not to take like the absolute truth Hyrule Historia in the other hand is a full work of Nintendo so we can assume that every info inside is true I think that Nintendo want to make Link from Alttp, Link's awakening and the Oracles the exact same Link (the order between Link's awakening and the Oracles is not really important) and the writers of Hyrule Encyclopedia have choosen to take into consideration this weird plothole in the dialogues by making the Oracles Link a different one
@@Nicolas-lz6pg The hell are you saying, do you say ut because the part that says that some parts are "made Up"? Because Monster Maze has already a video explaining the whole situation with those books, besides, as far as i know, encyclopedia and historia are made by the same people, so saying that one has more work of Nintendo than the other doesnt really make sense, and like i said, its he Game It self that tells you that this link and Zelda doesnt know eachother.
@@Nicolas-lz6pg What evidence do you have to corroborate the idea that to Aonuma, Miyamoto and Nintendo the Link of the Oracle games is indeed the same as the one from A Link to the Past? To them it may just be the case that this Link is a totally different one as per their decision to let Capcom write the story for the Hyrule Historia and Hyrule Enciclopedia to make up false information which they carelessly dismissed during the writing process. This situation can go both ways as we don't know how much of the Historia and Enciclopedia was written by Aonuma and co. and how much was a total fabrication added by the editors publishing the books.
@@javiervasquez625 since Aonuma is not credited in the editorial process of Encyclopedia but he is in Historia, it's pretty easy to assume that Historia is probably more true to what Nintendo thinks is true If you really want to believe that the Oracles Link is a different one, good for you. But I personnaly choose to think that Historia is more true because of the more real implication of Aonuma in the editorial process
As others have stated, the "spirit of the hero" ("soul of the hero" in JP Skyward Sword and both EN & JP Breath of the Wild) isnt a bloodline connection. Anyone can have the spirit of the hero within them. Zelda from Skyward Sword: EN: "To face Demise and give the land hope, the goddess, Hylia, needed someone with an unbreakable spirit. That someone is you, Link. But spirit alone wasn't enough. You had to overcome many trials and awaken the hero within yourself so that you could wield that supreme power. JP: "That’s why Hylia chose a human with a strong soul, for the sake of the world’s hope and to destroy the “Shuuen no Mono”... And that’s you. But, in order to control the Absolute Power... Your soul needed overcome several trials and you needed to awaken as a Hero." Demise from Skyward Sword: EN: "Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse." JP: "You people who possess the blood of the Goddess and the soul of hero shall... forever be unable to escape from this curse!" Impa from Breath of the Wild: EN: The history of the royal family of Hyrule is also the history of Calamity Ganon, a primal evil that has endured over the ages. This evil has been turned back time and time again by a warrior wielding the soul of a hero, and a princess who carries the blood of the Goddess. This is the spirit of the hero AKA Hylia/Zelda's Chosen Hero. It is eternally connected to Hylia/Zelda bloodline AND to Ganon by Demise curse. They will always appear together. So if Ganondorf and Zelda appear in The Wind Waker, a warrior MUST have the "spirit of the Hero" awaken within them, to fulfill the parameters of the curse.
I think part of the reason Link and Zelda have the piece of the triforce in twilight princess is because when Ganondorf was executed he was given the triforce of power (a divine prank, but maybe the goddesses trying to "fix" the split in the timeline caused by Zelda) so with one piece taken the other two were scattered to those that embodied them most, specifically the bloodline of the hero and the goddess incarnate
41:05 yeahhh... that doesn't work. Otherwise a couple of the games have multiple Ganons, since Ganon isn't always killed. Majora for example was made from hexing rituals and sealed in a mask. It's not a demon, more the embodiment of curses. And in the MM child timeline, Ganon isn't killed nor sealed (until decades or even a few centuries later), he simply fails to take over Hyrule. Also in Four Swords Adventures, Vaati and Ganon are both alive and very clearly separate beings. Ganon is the eternally reincarnating incarnation of Demise's hatred. Demise literally says "an incarnation of my hatred will follow those like you, who possess the Blood of the Goddess, and Spirit of the Hero, for all eternity" (Probs not a perfect quote). But rather than cursing Hylia or Link, it seems more like Demise cursed himself, to have his soul forever hounding the souls of Link and Hylia. Also, a strangely common misconception, Dark Beast Ganon. It is not actually a Ganon. Rather it's simply the by-product of the latest Ganondorf's hatred and literal Malice. And the most common misconception is that people seem to be placing BoTW (and now ToTK) near the end of the timelines, when it is clearly set in it's own timeline. It's more obvious in ToTK, but these 2 games are set around 10,000 years after the OoT period. The difference is that instead of the Hero of Time, there was a time-traveling Zelda. And Rauru is a Zonai instead of a Hylian and doesn't live in the sacred realm.
wasn't the exact wording of the curse from demise that there would always be "one who possesses the soul of a hero" not "the hero". Or something like that? I don't see why they all have to be incarnations of the same spirit
I like to have head cannon that each Link is a reincarnation of the Skyward sword link… like a bond beyond time with Zelda/Hylia’s reincarnations as each Princess Zelda. It seems that atleast in the Hero Wins timeline, most links are just straight descents of the last 🤷🏻♂️ atleast with the hero of time and twilight Princess
The only ones confirmed to be bloodline connected afaik are OoT Link and TP Link. The rest canonnically speaking are reincarnations. What you've said I'd honestly say is actual, real, confirmed canon. Demise's curse on Link and Zelda said "You people who possess the blood of the Goddess and the SOUL of hero". He specifically says *soul*. The curse is on Hylia's bloodline and the hero's soul. *Zelda* has to be bloodline connected as that's the only way to be a descendent of the Goddess Hylia, but nothing in his curse says the hero is connected by bloodline.
I hope so too though given how that sword works in Breath of the wild the game might take it away at the beginning of the game and make you earn it back
Probably the first part only as i doubt Link and Zelda will spend a lot of time underneath Hyrule Castle before Link's journey through the sky islands begins.
11:41 That’s what you think Also: Non-canon but still my favorite, Hero of Trophies. He knows Zelda and Ganondorf, and pulled the Master Sword out of a stump, but other than that no backstory.
I absolutely think Demise is returning in totk if you look at old clips of the game and see demise he's got the long red glowing like hair that you see in the 3rd trailer for totk
I believe you're incorrect about Ganondorf not being the reincarnation of Demise's hatred. You're assuming all other demon lords are in some way directly connected to Demise. Except there is little or no evidence of that. However, if you go by the Japanese versions of the series, there is a big detail about most of the big bads in the series that is rarely mentioned in English. That being the Demon Tribe. Demise was Lord of the Demon Tribe. Girahim took that position after Demise was sealed away. Vaati is also a member of that very tribe. However, Ganondorf's power and rage is superior to them all. He himself calls himself the Demon king. It's also why the Master Sword is only ever used when fighting against him usually. It's creation was to fight against Demise and his power. Side note. Majora was from a completely different dimension and has completely different origins, proving as well there is no tie to Demise
I think BoTW and ToTK have done a great job of finally explaining something to me. In the fallen timeline there are two Zelda's because when all else failed, Zelda could have been sealed away in the hopes of one day fixing something that went wrong in her timeline, or to at least save the goddess bloodline. I say that cause BoTW shows Zelda going into stasis by magic. ToTK showed us that 2 Zelda's can exist due to a time paradox. We know of healing and sealing chambers litter the series. I think then that game ends the timeline cause Zelda goes back to as a kid and warns Link that Ganon is a bad man.
I still have issues with the "Wind Waker Link isn't the Spirit of the Hero," particularly because the 'evidence' for it primarily comes from the King of Red Lions. And the problem with using The King of Red Lions' dialogue with Jaboon as 'evidence' that Wind Waker Link isn't the Spirit of the Hero is twofold. The first problem is that The King of Red Lions and Jaboon, obviously, exist within the restraints of the world of WW. In the case of the King of Red Lions, he also exists within the mindset of someone who has overwhelmingly been in isolation for hundreds of years, with his only real knowledge of the Hero being.... that the Hero didn't come to save Hyrule hundreds of years ago. Meaning that his words _can't actually be taken as objective fact._ He's saying what he thinks, with all the millenia of misinformation caused by oral tradition. The second problem is the existence of Skyward Sword on the whole. As a later entry to the series and one that Nintendo and Miyamoto were both *aggressively* involved in the development of, any information given in Skyward Sword takes priority over information given in any prior games. Meaning that the bit about how "the Mastersword is actually _Master's Sword,_ and can ONLY be wielded by the warrior with the soul of THE Hero;" takes precedence over the information given in Wind Waker. Including the bit about "not being the soul of the Hero." The problems with the "the spirit of the hero is dead forever" theory extend to Spirit Tracks. Demise's curse is literally overriding. No Spirit of the Hero, no Zelda with divine power from her divine heritage, and no embodiment of the hate of the Demon Tribe. The Malodus is still an evil that would fall under the Curse of Demise. It's not something that was ever limited to just Ganondorf and Ganon.
1. Ww link has to take the trials to become the hero. He doesn't have the spirit. 2. The master's sword thing was likely because demise would return, not because of demises curse. Zelda has held the sword in botw and totk, but not knowing if as a weapon. Welding the sword was for those who were worthy such as gaining all 3 pendants. "Welding" is a word is the problem. 3. Why would Malus, a demon of his own be affected by the curse. He stole Zelda's power and Zelda's friend went to save her. It's as flimsy as Vaati or Majora being cursed with it.
@furyberserk 1. He went through a Trial set by the Goddess to be prepared to be the Hero. Like literally *every* Link before him, and those that would follow after him. 2. *ALL* versions of Zelda are the descendents of the Goddess, invested with her power and authority. They're the only people who aren't link who can canonically handle the Master Sword *at all.* Anyone else can't touch it. 3. Demise was the leader of the Demon *tribe.* With the Demon Tribe being described as being *all demons* born from the world. If they're a Demon, they *canonically* have a connection to Demise. What is Malodus described as? *A member of the demon tribe.* What is Majora described as? A demon sealed into a mask by a tribe. The Curse of Demise *canonically ties the three of them together.* If there's no agent of Demise, there's no Princess imbued with the power of the Goddess, and no agent imbued with the Spirit of the Hero. No agent of Demise, means no Link. No Link, no Zelda. No Zelda, *no legend of Zelda.* *The Curse of Demise IS the Legend of Zelda.* You can not separate the two.
@@alchemysaga3745 I think it was stated that in ww, link needed the trial because he lacked the soul of the hero. It doesn't matter if he's a reincarnation, all heroes need the trial, but he is not a reincarnation. I can't speak on the demon tribe as that seems like a vague technicality.
@@furyberserkthat was never stated in wind waker. He took the trials in order to gain access of the master sword which was under the sea in the castle. The tower of gods was actual made to test any potential heroes. It's not even just any hero but the hero chosen by the gods based on the fact they used the word yuusha when explaining this which is only used for Link in the series (the are multiple terms for hero in Japanese so the use of yuusha is significant). Also in the encyclopedia right at the beginning Wind Waker is acknowledged as being a chosen hero reborn, stating his triforce appearing on his hand is proof (which was also stated in game.)
A Zelda game where Link is transformed by the triforce in a similar way to Ganon, as a humanoid something rather than wolf link would be pretty sick Maybe not something like Sonic Unleashed where it’s just a gimmick but in a similar way to how we unlock the sage/champion abilities over the course of a game
Is the Fallen Timeline where Link gets defeated in combat by Ganondorf, or is it merely the future(s) that Link leaves to change the past before being ready to face Ganondorf at the end of OoT?
wait, I just realized that, if we assume the "Spirit of the Hero" doesn't exist in the adult timeline because Link was sent back to the past... then shouldn't the same go for the Triforce of Courage? If we assume that Adult Link and everything he had on him was sent to the past, lost to the future forever, then that should include the Triforce of Courage, since he also still had it at that time and it should be tied to his spirit in some sense. Of course, that would seem impossible since the TRIforce obviously needs to consist of 3 parts, but it doesn't feel like there's any implication that anything happens to the Triforce of Courage after Adult Link is sent back in time, again, he still has it after all, just like everything else he had on him. So... perhaps something else happened that avoided there to be only 2 pieces of the Triforce? Or maybe it's just an unexplainable inconsistency that just simply wasn't accounted for. -also, if we consider the "Spirit of the Hero" to be "the Goddesses Chosen Hero" as in the hero chosen by Hylia, then that'd still somewhat apply to WW-Link, since he was "chosen" by Tetra, who is WWs Zelda and thus the reincarnation of Hylia.-
Yeah you basically screw everything up in multiple different ways if you claim that the hero's soul doesn't exist in the Adult timeline. Cuz as you pointed out then neither would the triforce of courage which means the triforce itself doesn't exist as the triforce anymore since one of the thirds is gone (nevermind the fact that Link finds the triforce of courage - great example of how it breaks everything).
Same can be said about the mastersword Why should the spirit of the hero be the exception of no longer existing? (Which even then it does, Wind Waker Link is acknowledged as a chosen hero by Nintendo)
I think the reason Twilight Zelda is not called Queen is that she simply dosnt have her official coronation yet. Maybe her father stepped down just a week ago so until she is crowned officially its still Princess Zelda.
I really wish we would have gotten another zelda game of OOT/MM link continuing his journey to find Navi, and then eventually returning to Hyrule as an adult with the all masks from MM.
This is probably not going to make sense but.... I thing the reason the 3 timeliness exist not because of zelda but because of the very virtue that the master sword forced link into adult hood creating the causal split in the first place. And it basically softened time to account for all the damage link did messing with time to balance it out and account for all his changes and potentially forgetting to do created the fallen time and since zelda sent link back she gave the child timeline their hero so they might both enjoy their peace for a time
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If you could choose your piece of the Triforce, which one is it and why? (also which one would you choose for me lol)
Tbh it would be courage because I don’t really want to have power as I’m not a great handler at it, wisdom, maybe, but I go to school so I’m fine, I’ll learn stuff anyway, in the long way, so not really. I need courage as I’m not that brave, and I want to be.
Wisdom all the way, you would be courage
Wisdom for you, very knowledgeable. I’ll have courage. I do a lot of stuff people aren’t going to
I would choose wisdom, and then I would realize that I should have chosen power
I’d love to have Courage, but I’d probably have Wisdom. I’d give you Courage because it takes a lot to be able to put yourself out in the world and be successful.
Calling Spirit Tracks the "Hero of Trains" is like calling Wind Waker Link the "Hero of Boats." I vote that we all refer to him as the "Hero of Spirits"
well technically Majora's Mask is the masks of the Spirits, so you could call young Link the "Hero of Spirits" too
@Candy_Face77 true however his title is still hero of time
The Hero of Rails
how about Hero of Tracks? Still fits with the title
@@candy_face7796 Majora’s Mask Link as “Hero of Spirits”? That doesn’t make much sense, because it’s literally just the same Link as Ocarina, he’s the exact same Hero of Time. Yeah he’s on a different adventure but he doesn’t need/get a new title just because of that, the one in Link’s Awakening and Oracle games still has the same title.
So “Hero of Spirits” works pretty good for Spirit Tracks imo. Especially since he’s on the Spirit Train, on the Spirit Tracks, with a spirit Zelda, using the Spirit Flute, trying to repair the Spirit Tower; you get the picture lol
8:55 it’s actually somewhat confirmed in game by the king of red lions in the 2nd quest when talking to jaboon in ancient hylian, and i quote “the one who i brought with me has no connection to the legendary one.” basically kinda setting in stone that hero of winds was just some random kid who had great courage.
Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia both say each Link contains the spirit of the hero. And "has no connection" could be taken to mean spiritually but could also equally mean by blood. I doubt either of them would be able to simply tell if Link contains the spirit of the hero, and we aren't even sure if they're aware Link usually reincarnates anyway (until Breath of the Wild, it seemed no one did, except Ganondorf's cut dialogue in Twilight Princess). Of course, you could also argue "having the spirit of the hero =/= being a reincarnation" I guess.
The problem with using The King of Red Lions' dialogue with Jaboon as 'evidence' that Wind Waker Link isn't the Spirit of the Hero is twofold.
The first problem is that The King of Red Lions and Jaboon, obviously, exist within the restraints of the world of WW. In the case of the King of Red Lions, he also exists within the mindset of someone who has overwhelmingly been in isolation for hundreds of years, with his only real knowledge of the Hero being.... that the Hero didn't come to save Hyrule hundreds of years ago. Meaning that his words _can't actually be taken as objective fact._ He's saying what he thinks, with all the millenia of misinformation caused by oral tradition.
The second problem is the existence of Skyward Sword on the whole. As a later entry to the series and one that Nintendo and Miyamoto were both *aggressively* involved in the development of, any information given in Skyward Sword takes priority over information given in any prior games. Meaning that the bit about how "the Mastersword is actually _Master's Sword,_ and can ONLY be wielded by the warrior with the soul of THE Hero;" takes precedence over the information given in Wind Waker. Including the bit about "not being the soul of the Hero."
The problems with the "the spirit of the hero is dead forever" theory extend to Spirit Tracks. Demise's curse is literally overriding. No Spirit of the Hero, no Zelda with divine power from her divine heritage, and no embodiment of the hate of the Demon Tribe. The Malodus is still an evil that would fall under the Curse of Demise. It's not something that was ever limited to just Ganondorf and Ganon.
Nah it was so link and zelda didnt create inscest babies cons8der the cannon timeline for a sec
I think they mean bloodline not spirit of the hero. I've personally always thought of spirit of the hero as someone who imbodies courage and not so much incarnation. But that's me.
No its funnier this way
THE HERO OF....TRAINS
Read that as the hero of trans, thought this was about femboy link
I LIKE TRAINS…
NATE THE TRAAIN
@@MILOPETIT hero of… trans?
@@MILOPETIT FEMBOY LINK? WHERE!
Ya know... I didn't think of it till now but...
The time line split also fits the try force holders.
Fallen timeline. Ganondorf wins.
Young timeline. Link stops Ganondorf in time and his hero.
Old time line. Zelda fixed the kingdom(since she spirited away link)
Zelda effed everything up by sending link back in time tho
Hindsight ya. She fixed the kingdom after it's destruction. Obviously down the line her action caused a worst issue
It seems obvious to me that the downfall timeline is simply the original timeline, and that Zelda used the Ocarina to turn back time after Link's death to give him another chance, creating the adult timeline. If she was already prepared to do something that drastic just so Link could experience his full childhood, then surely she would do the same if the hero were to fail and Ganon to win.
That actually makes a lot of sense
I can't remember which creator made it but there is a theory video saying that oot zelda's dream was a vision sent to the past by the zelda at the end of the downfall timeline
I think the timeline split happened because Ganon originally won, leading to the Fallen Timeline. Zelda, seeing the devastation wrought by Ganon, decided to use her time powers to send a dream to her past self, which allowed past Zelda to be on the lookout for a boy in green. In the "Original" Fallen Timeline, Link found Zelda, but was unable to convince her in time that Ganon was evil and killed the Great Deku Tree since she never had her prophetic dreams from her future self. They escape the coup with the help of Impa and wage a great war against Ganon and his minions for some 7 years or so. They eventually come up with a plan for Link to acquire the Master Sword, so with the help of the other races, launch a siege against Castle Town, rush towards the Temple of Time, and open the doors. Link takes the Master Sword, opening the way to the Sacred Realm, but Ganon was one step ahead of them. He kills Link and makes his way into the Sacred Realm, and the rest is told in legend. This would also explain why Twinrova is still alive, because they don't end up dying in this war.
Okay, this is the headcanon I accept for the confusing as hell dark timeline.
Good stuff man, I'm taking notes.
Zelda sending visions to the past like Raiden lmao
My very first thought lmao @janjakubiak7441
Best explanation by far
I think the reason Twinrova are alive in the fallen timeline is because Link went to fight Ganondorf as a kid, no seven year stasis, as soon as he unlocked the temple of time. Hence, no fight against Twinrova
Dont make things up
@@seankock7649 theory
@@erner_wisal Not really. There is no way for kid link to reach Twinrova. The most likely explanation is that Ganondorf simply resurrected them. He'd already resurrected and created monsters before, don't see why he wouldn't be able to ressurrect powerful ancient witches when he has the full Triforce.
@@MorganSaph climb nearby cliff with chicken, sneak Pass, success
I like to imagine Winds was blessed by the spirit of courage when he soloed the forsaken fortress just to rescue his sister. So while not having a blood relation, the triforce looked at him and went "what the hell is that kid doing? Oh damn, we should help him out."
You know, one thing I noticed during the adult timeline of Zelda's section is that all of the Zeldas play a more proactive role in their respective plots because their iteration of their ancestor became a ninja during the apocalypse
ya never liked the sheik hype...
which peach would also get her not just a damsel in distress in her own game. super peach.
showin she doesnt really need mario to save her at all.
lol. but zelda of TP was goat. should have kept that design and personality. i miss that version...
7:18 no, Malon’s mom wrote Epona’s song and taught it to Malon. But I DO believe the hero of time ended up with her. Which makes me happy, because they were absolutely perfect for each other.
I also think the Hero of Twilight’s father was a swordsman of some sort, like his great (or great great) grandfather and Rusl who takes Link under his wing (my theory is he was friends with Link’s father and they were in the guard or whatever together, which is why he looks after Link after his parents die)
Absolutely. Headcanon is that Link eventually became a knight, had a shipwreck where he dreams of her (though they moved Awakening in the list), came back and married her. There’s a stone in OoT that says she wants to marry a strong soldier or something like that. They then have a farm that gets passed down and boom, Hero of Twilight.
Link actually dreams of Malon twice now that I think of it: Link’s Awakening and Majora’s Mask
@@ElijahNMitchell When was this? In Link's Awakening, Link mistakes Marin as Zelda, implying that Marin resembles her, and in Majora's Mask, Link is shown having memories of Zelda; Malon is never shown in the game.
If I remember how the triforce on the first game was originally supposed to be memory chips or something similar and link came from a different world, some people think that he is someone from our world who was transported to that world.
But that original idea was scrapped, I think it was because it was hard to convey the idea of those chips instead of something more ideal like a triforce.
I have a rather unhinged idea about the timeline split in Ocarina of Time.
The split itself occurs on three parts according to the individual wills of each Triforce piece holder, with each piece altering reality to do so, even to the degree of the Downfall Timeline paradoxically existing alongside the Adult and Child Timelines.
makes sense
I've often wondered if the three timelines might match to each of the three triforces. Each timeline matching to which one was most prominent in resolving the situation in Ocarina of Time: Link's adventure, Zelda's Politicking, or Ganondorf's coup.
Ocarina of Time Zelda seems to be the living embodiment of "one often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it".
The Zeldapus Complex
I’ve always had a theory as to why Link and Zelda in twilight princess already have their triforce pieces, and why the Triforce split up in the child timeline in the first place.
I think that when Link returned to his own time at the end of OOT, his body had already been “chosen“ by the Triforce of courage, but just another timeline. So I think the Triforce in the child timeline sensed his presence and automatically hid itself within him, which then sent the other two pieces to their respective wielders as well. This is why Ganondorf, somehow, miraculously gained the Triforce of power when he was about to be executed. The try force of courage was then passed down through Link’s descendants.
that’s not a theory, it’s straight up the answer
I think it’s the opposite. Gannon got the triforce of power from the gods before he was seals away. We don’t know how long after that twilight princess happens but it possible that that link and Zelda were born with the triforce already.
@@bekadonahue7892 Nope all 3 triforce bearers in the child timeline got their triforce pieces because OOT Link was sent back to his original time, which inadvertently caused the triforce to split without the need for anyone to actually go touch it in the sacred realm, that’s how Ganondorf got the ToP prior to Twilight Princess. OoT Link passed down the triforce of courage down the family and eventually to TP Link, while Zelda inherits it from OoT Zelda
@@IamSupreme333 but why would him going back cause it to split
@@Marioestrada1 i can’t explain why, i can only tell you for a fact that’s what happens.
The hero with no title is the humble son of a sheppard, banditboy. Life has many swords, in his case, four
About the hero of winds, the spirit of the hero is not passed down through blood relation it’s literally just fate. The kid has the spirit of the hero, he wouldn’t be able to wield the master sword otherwise. But, the shard being shattered is probably still symbolism of the kid awakening that spirit that was within him, as maybe it was laying dormant inside him before that
I wouldn't say "just" fate - it's reincarnation. I honestly had no idea there were people who thought it was all blood relation till recently cuz it being reincarnation has always been the thing that makes the most sense to me.
7:14 my guess is in TP Link's mother died giving birth to him and then his dad died when Link was young say around 6-8. Instead of being sent to an orphanage the people of Ordon all look after Link and makes sure he's eating bathing etc while he works as a rancher.
Spirit Tracks Zelda isn’t actually a childhood friend of Link, she just needed to get to the Tower of Spirits and Link was the perfect one (and only one) to ask. In fact, Alfonzo is closer to a childhood friend than Link, at least at the beginning due to his past as a knight in service of the royal family
So my theory on Ganon.
The triforce pieces all can transform the wielder into a beast imbued with the power of the respective piece when they're on the verge of death, or great stress. Ganon turns into a massive boar, one of the most dangerous and powerful animals. Courage transforms into a courageous beast like you said. In this case, a wolf. It's not known what wisdom would transform into. Perhaps an owl or something. But Kaepora Gaepora? Rauru had the whole triforce at the time did he not? What's not to say he'd utilize it to guide link?
Or perhaps changes their identity entirely? Shiek for example, or since Ganon had all 3 pieces in ALttP, Agahnim.
Also I could see where in LOZ lore when Link doesn't specfically have someone looking after him the village looks after him. Takes a village to raise a child etc.
I'm so glad that in tears of the kingdom we did actually end up getting an explanation of the calamity and ganon's powers usd during it /s
RE4 remake was the first major 2023 release for me, next is Totk. Can’t wait to see the gameplay tomorrow. Was also playing Skyward Sword earlier and just got the Hylian shield.
Jedi: Survivor? i know it’s not gonna be everyone’s cup of tea but it’s still a major release
Hogwarts legacy was crazy
Pikmin 4?
@@l0bbymusicx314 they shouldve added romance and since they didnt lowkey mid
Big video. Loved it! I needed a video like this!
The main theme of spirit tracks, it's so good. I remember just sitting listening to it on my ds.
i think the defeated timeline is incorrectly interpreted if that makes sense. it wasnt that link was killed necessarily. just defeated at the climatic battle. he could still have been alive just not capable of fully killing off ganondorf/ganon. thus the sages had to step in and seal him away. but that is just my take on that jumbled mess of a branch
2:34 Hero of The Sky
3:52 Hero of The Minish
4:28 Hero of The Four Sword
5:00 Hero of Time
6:20 Hero of Twilight
7:21 Hero of Light
7:56 Hero of Winds
9:56 Hero of Spirits
11:43 Hero of Legend
13:09 New Hero of Hyrule
14:05 Hero of Hyrule
15:09 Hero of The Wild
Malodus and/or Majora could be entirely separate from Demise and his curse. Demise is the Demon King, not the only demon. Also, there's no Hylia blood princess in Majora's mask, which was a key part of Demise's curse
"An incarnation of my hatred shall forever haunt the spirit of the hero AND the blood of the goddess" or something like that. I think Majora is a completely separate demonic entity, perhaps not as powerful as Demise but relatively very powerful for a Demon, and much more direct.
Maybe in the adult timeline the spirit of the hero could work differently too? Like the triforce of courage was shattered, so maybe that had an effect on links spirit, also causing it to shatter. Links spirit could have been placed separately in whoever’s potential to overcome their obstacles was the greatest, thus having a greater outcome of success in this timeline
The Hero is defeated timeline is the original child timeline from OOT imo. The new child timeline is where you were sent back before meeting Zelda. The fallen timeline is the original child timeline where Link would be in stasis after pulling the Master Sword. There is no Link there now and the last confrontation with Ganondorf was outside the castle where you lose.
I notice that nobody really mentions that ganon exists not just because of demise, but because groose was there. And that's incredibly sad because they all made up at the end of skyward sword and became friends.
Groose accidentally doomed the world into an endless cycle of evil and good battling.
I recently heard someone talk about all the other npcs reincarnating and that's got me wondering a bunch, but like Beedle.
The Tri-Force won't split if you stick it together from its pieces.
That's because you might not have balance, but you earned it, you forced it to happen by imposing your piece over the other two.
Well...yes and no
You can only get the triforce when you have a balance of power courage and wisdom
If you collect the shattered pieces of the triforce...it would require all three of those things to accomplish it, so my gathering them you accomplished the requirements
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I think the idea of “the spirit of the hero” completely accounts for an unconnected lineage of heroes. Sometimes they are descended, but that in no way is a prerequisite of possessing the spirit of the hero. The only character with a prerequisite of lineage is Zelda who will always possess “the blood of the goddess”. Wind Waker Link is not all that unique in that aspect. I think like half of the Link’s are ultimately just random kids who possess the hero’s spirit.
but ww link was basically reincarnated to be the hero... lol lets be real.
also they all have to be blonde or dirty blonde hair boys. hmm.
@@ssppeeaarr reincarnation is not lineage. My entire point is the spirit of the hero does not need to follow a bloodline. So what you said isn’t pertinent.
I like to assume that the Royalty in The Legend of Zelda use titles according to the logic of Shrek:
"Farquaad: Evening. Mirror, mirror, on the wall, is this not the most perfect kingdom of them all?
Magic Mirror: Well, technically, you're not a king.
Farquaad: Uh, Thelonius?
[Thelonius the executioner smashes a small looking glass] You were saying?
Magic Mirror: [nervous] I mean you're not a king yet! But you can become one! All you have to do is marry a princess...
Farquuad: Go on."
Perhaps the ruler doesn't earn their title until they've married, hence why Zelda isn't Queen but her father was King. That would explain most of the series. There may be exceptions but it makes sense throughout the main games.
I would like to propose the title "Hero of Walls". Or possibly "Hero of Merge", even though that sounds like the title for the hero of a mobile puzzle game.
Maybe "Hero of the Realms" would sound good? Or simply the "Hero of Light" to reference his predecessor from A Link to the Past?
I mean technically LOZ was one of the first mobile puzzle games, when you think about it.
I would argue the hero of winds DID have the spirit of the hero, but that because of how long it had been since the spirit of the hero had a physical incarnation he had to prove himself worthy of the power of the triforce of courage. I don’t think he is descended from any other Links or anything, I just think the way he demonstrates unshakeable courage is like the sign that he does have the spirit within him.
When you have the confidence to name something "The Legend of..." means you're not playing games, right out of the gate. That Shigeru Miyamoto based this game off of what I was already doing as a child in the woods on imaginary adventures, makes it all the more magical to me in hindsight. 🗡△
If there was a Hero before the hero of the sky, that means there were 13. Also there were 2 Zelda in breath of the wild since there was a Queen Zelda and Princess Zelda, and let's not forget the the timeline split that no one talks about in skyward sword.
Wow a big video! This is such s treat :) Thank u lord bandit :)
I believe the third Link is the Hero of Light. In Minish Cap, he restored the blade to it’s true power which allowed him to create three holographic copies of himself. The blade in Four Swords has the same hilt and the same color as the final one in Minish and he becomes 4 separate Links, each having one of his traits. They all have the same sword, just that the color on the hilt is different for each one. Red Link has red as the color on the end instead of green, Blue has blue and Purple has purple. Green being the original, still has the green color on his. He also deals with the same villain, Vaati
Like these compiled versions, quite convenient
Also gives me an excuse to re-watch and listen to your suave narration
My headcanon for OOT ganondorf is that he originally wanted/ intended to work together with the king of Hyrule but along the way got corrupted and developed a thirst for power.
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this is exactly the video i needed right before the totk presentation in an hour, thank you bandit
I know I said this on the original but I like to bring up the idea for Twilight Zelda that she could just not be of age to 'officially' take the title of Queen (like in Frozen where Elsa had to wait 3 years after her parents dying before being allowed to take the title/full responsibilities).
This makes sense. So her official title would have been something like "Princess Regent Zelda".
HAPPY RAMADAN BANDIT! :] and in terms of Triforce, you’d be wisdom since you teach us the lore of the land. As for me, I personally want Wisdom too. If That Triforce means I get inspired for inventions to help people and have fun, sounds good to me! And personally I’d love to see what another person besides Ganon does with the Triforce of Power because the Gerudo King always loses. I’d love for a Zelda game where the heroes have power and courage, and the villain has wisdom!
That "other person" could develop megalomania and want to rule entire the World. 😮 Personally i wouldn't anyone to obtain the Triforce of Power unless they were extremely virtuous individuals with no ill intent for anyone or anything.
For myself: triforce of wisdom cuz Knowing things is cool, but sometimes I might need the courage one more haha.
As for u: i bestow upon you the triforce of courage, so you have the power to do anything u want and set your mind to :)
Skyward sword link is the original hero. In the entire game he tempers his spirit before it’s cursed
Nope, the original hero was with Hylia, but in terms of reincarnation he was the first one in the cycle.
@@crystaluwu1012 no thats from the non-canon manga in hyrule historia
Spoiler warning for totk
It would be really funny to continue Zelda's story like "then she traveled back in time and became a dragon
Regarding the Hero of Winds and his connection to the spirit of the hero, Hyrule Historia and the Zelda Encyclopedia both say that every Link contains the spirit of the hero, so this would obviously include the Hero of Winds.
And moving on to my own speculation:
I think it's meant to be that the Hero of Winds isn't related to the Hero of Time by blood. In the King's conversation with Jabun, it's explicably said they were searching for someone related to the Hero of Time, if not the Hero of Time himself, and the King says that TWW Link "has no connection" to the Hero of Time. "No connection" can obviously be taken to mean he doesn't contain the spirit of the hero, but it can also simply mean he's not related to the Hero of Time by blood. And I doubt either the King nor Jabun would be able to tell whether or not Link is reincarnated from the Hero of Time, and it's not even made clear if they know that Link usually reincarnates. Ganondorf also said he believes the Hero of Winds to be "the Hero of Time, reborn" but this could simply be metaphorical. The Tower of the Gods and its purpose to test a new hero is also often cited as evidence, but other Links have had to go through similar challenges, such as the Links in A Link to the Past and A Link Between Worlds needing the Pendants of Virtue in order to prove themselves worthy of wielding the Master Sword. Also, you say ST Link lends to the theory, but I'd argue the opposite, and that his existence serves as proof that the spirit of the hero still exists in the Adult Timeline.
tl;dr I believe the Hero of Winds holds the spirit of the hero and is a reincarnation like the other Links, however he's explicably not related to any previous Link by blood.
47:55 Also, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say the manual for A Link to the Past has been retconned. Hyrule Historia implies, like you said, that he extracted the Triforce of Wisdom from Zelda after defeating Link
Poor wind waker Link. I don't know if this happens with Link from spirit tracks, but from what I see, people isolate this Link a lot from others.😂😔
I saw someone else say that the original Japanese version of Wind Waker has that line be different from the King of Red Lions to Jabun and so the English translation is faulty and can't be used as evidence. I haven't looked into this myself yet. Also Skyward Sword came after WW (in terms of release order) and so its reality takes precedence over anything before it due to all the work put into it to make it a true origin for the different iterations of Link/Zelda/Ganondorf. And Skyward Sword says only Link can wield the master sword so WW Link *has* to be spiritually the same Link as the rest.
Also agreed about ALttP manual having been retconned since it contradicts too much of what they've said more recently and it was written so long ago before the games were even a huge series so isn't really accurate anymore.
I think that this is a reference to kaepora gaebora,he said that link was a courageous boy but that he is not The Hero Of time,who is The Hero Of time?
Link,is the same case(if you look mistakes in my writing is because i'm not a native speaker).
@moonlitxangel5771 in Japanese they say he is unrelated to the legend unlike the English localization that says he is unrelated to the legendary one. All other languages are similar to the Japanese wording to. Where they aren't saying how he isn't related to the hero of time but rather he has nothing to do with the past.
I watched this in one sitting while goofing off on a video game. Great vid. Amazingly accurate. Balance is fairly struck between too much info and not enough (or boring, wordy analysis versus shallow, meaningless crap. you found the tightrope between these and walked it like a boss). I've been subbed for literal years, but I put a thumbs-up on this video (which i rarely do) EXCLUSIVELY because of the tiny tiny detail all the way at the end. THAT. that was priceless. I literally laughed hard at that bit.
6:50 Rusl had been training him. I believe he mentions it after giving him the wooden sword.
In my personal headcanon, Zelda from zelda 1 dies at the end from the exhaustion of resisting Ganon's torture. It explains why she is not present in the kingdom in Zelda 2, and even gives link some seriously good motivation for awaking the original ancient zelda from her slumber. It would be a great twist in a novelization.
I like to think the hero of Hyrule is gramps in a link between worlds.
I’m basically building a playlist of Zelda lore video to pass the time till ToTK so this will be a nice addition
Alternate reality? I think the Downfall Timeline was the only true timeline and the other two were just stories that the Hylian survivors told to maintain hope.
42:17 Ganondorf already knew the king of Hyrule wouldnt even think of helping his people.
Big boyo video! I love these videos to listen and watch while I go about my day ☺️ Granted, if I'm too busy doing whatever the heck, I end up rewatching the videos because I don't want to miss any thing. Anyways, time to press play!
Just so everyone knows, the Link from the original Legend of Zelda is called the “Hero of Hyrule”
Putting Link's Awakening before the Oracle games makes Link's Awakening less selfish. Having Link's Awakening after the Oracles means that the only person helped by destroying the demiplane of Koholint Island and killing everyone in it is Link. Moving it before the Oracles means that everything Link did in the Oracles is now dependent on Link being Koholint Island's annihilator. The deaths of Marin and everyone she's ever known are no longer without purpose.
¿How is it selfish to free an illusory island from the demonic *Nightmare's* control? If you had to choose between ETERNAL enslavement under the Nightmare's control or dissapearing from reality i would definetly choose the latter in a heartbeat.
Except there not the same link it's made clear mainly during the linked game that link and zelda never met b4.
@@heroofmasks its kinda up in the air if the oracle games and link’s awakening are the same link despite looking different from each other and they’re placed directly after LA, it could be the same link after the events of koholint
@@yggdrasilsaltar So he goes sailing on a boat one day, becomes shipwrecked on an dream island, returns to Hyrule to have an audience with the Triforce, gets sent to Holodrum and Labrynna and then goes sailing on a similar boat to the one he used before? Very contrived and unrealistic if you ask me.
They are most likely not even the same Link anymore, as it was stated in the encyclopedia (minus one mistranslation). They most likely changed it because Zelda and Link meet for the first time in the Oracles and even Impa doesn’t know him at first. Nobody does. If he were the legendary hero, he’d probably be acknowledged as such.
3 videos??? It feels like I’ve been watching this for an entire lol. Crazy to see how the timeline goes
10:02 so let me get this straight… from the game SPIRIT tracks, a game where you are accompanied by a Zelda’s SPIRIT trying to reconnect the tower of SPIRITS and generally work with SPIRITS to fight Malladus, an evil formless SPIRIT… you decide to call that link the hero of trains(?) and the hero of Spirits??
Does demise’s curse stop existing in the adult timeline? With no spirit of the hero to pursue maybe ganondorf stops being an embodiment of hatred. Would explain why he (relatively) chills out in windwaker
I’d take the triforce of wisdom, because knowing is half the battle.
Also if Zelda and Link from Skyward Sword repopulated the land wouldn’t that mean everyone is related which implies inbreeding…..
Could be both literal (in that they had children together) and figuratively (they helped build a community with other Skyloftians who also had children etc etc)
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My brother in Christ "Hero of Spirits" was right there.
In reallity, the link and zelda of the oracles are different from those of link to the past, as indicated in the original japanese version of hyrule encyclopedia, even the game confirms this in a way, since zelda is presented to link as if they did not know each other, which would not make sense if they were the same as ALTTP.
Exactly plus Ganon meets Link face to face after been resurrected by Twinrova and even though his mind was broken due to Twinrova failing to sacrifice Zelda he would at least have recognized the same Link who defeated him a while back.
Hyrule Encyclopedia is not written by Nintendo so it was already said that the info inside are not to take like the absolute truth
Hyrule Historia in the other hand is a full work of Nintendo so we can assume that every info inside is true
I think that Nintendo want to make Link from Alttp, Link's awakening and the Oracles the exact same Link (the order between Link's awakening and the Oracles is not really important) and the writers of Hyrule Encyclopedia have choosen to take into consideration this weird plothole in the dialogues by making the Oracles Link a different one
@@Nicolas-lz6pg The hell are you saying, do you say ut because the part that says that some parts are "made Up"? Because Monster Maze has already a video explaining the whole situation with those books, besides, as far as i know, encyclopedia and historia are made by the same people, so saying that one has more work of Nintendo than the other doesnt really make sense, and like i said, its he Game It self that tells you that this link and Zelda doesnt know eachother.
@@Nicolas-lz6pg What evidence do you have to corroborate the idea that to Aonuma, Miyamoto and Nintendo the Link of the Oracle games is indeed the same as the one from A Link to the Past? To them it may just be the case that this Link is a totally different one as per their decision to let Capcom write the story for the Hyrule Historia and Hyrule Enciclopedia to make up false information which they carelessly dismissed during the writing process.
This situation can go both ways as we don't know how much of the Historia and Enciclopedia was written by Aonuma and co. and how much was a total fabrication added by the editors publishing the books.
@@javiervasquez625 since Aonuma is not credited in the editorial process of Encyclopedia but he is in Historia, it's pretty easy to assume that Historia is probably more true to what Nintendo thinks is true
If you really want to believe that the Oracles Link is a different one, good for you. But I personnaly choose to think that Historia is more true because of the more real implication of Aonuma in the editorial process
i love how you mention: "did ganon just conjure up an image of zelda just cuz?" and then we have tears of the kingdom
As others have stated, the "spirit of the hero" ("soul of the hero" in JP Skyward Sword and both EN & JP Breath of the Wild) isnt a bloodline connection. Anyone can have the spirit of the hero within them.
Zelda from Skyward Sword:
EN:
"To face Demise and give the land hope, the goddess, Hylia, needed someone with an unbreakable spirit.
That someone is you, Link.
But spirit alone wasn't enough. You had to overcome many trials and awaken the hero within yourself so that you could wield that supreme power.
JP:
"That’s why Hylia chose a human with a strong soul, for the sake of the world’s hope and to destroy the “Shuuen no Mono”...
And that’s you.
But, in order to control the Absolute Power... Your soul needed overcome several trials and you needed to awaken as a Hero."
Demise from Skyward Sword:
EN: "Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse."
JP: "You people who possess the blood of the Goddess and the soul of hero shall... forever be unable to escape from this curse!"
Impa from Breath of the Wild:
EN:
The history of the royal family of Hyrule is also the history of Calamity Ganon, a primal evil that has endured over the ages.
This evil has been turned back time and time again by a warrior wielding the soul of a hero, and a princess who carries the blood of the Goddess.
This is the spirit of the hero AKA Hylia/Zelda's Chosen Hero. It is eternally connected to Hylia/Zelda bloodline AND to Ganon by Demise curse. They will always appear together.
So if Ganondorf and Zelda appear in The Wind Waker, a warrior MUST have the "spirit of the Hero" awaken within them, to fulfill the parameters of the curse.
I think part of the reason Link and Zelda have the piece of the triforce in twilight princess is because when Ganondorf was executed he was given the triforce of power (a divine prank, but maybe the goddesses trying to "fix" the split in the timeline caused by Zelda) so with one piece taken the other two were scattered to those that embodied them most, specifically the bloodline of the hero and the goddess incarnate
Oh snap! 52 minutes? Hitting us with a whole ass movie! Lets gooooooo!
41:05 yeahhh... that doesn't work. Otherwise a couple of the games have multiple Ganons, since Ganon isn't always killed. Majora for example was made from hexing rituals and sealed in a mask. It's not a demon, more the embodiment of curses. And in the MM child timeline, Ganon isn't killed nor sealed (until decades or even a few centuries later), he simply fails to take over Hyrule.
Also in Four Swords Adventures, Vaati and Ganon are both alive and very clearly separate beings.
Ganon is the eternally reincarnating incarnation of Demise's hatred. Demise literally says "an incarnation of my hatred will follow those like you, who possess the Blood of the Goddess, and Spirit of the Hero, for all eternity" (Probs not a perfect quote). But rather than cursing Hylia or Link, it seems more like Demise cursed himself, to have his soul forever hounding the souls of Link and Hylia.
Also, a strangely common misconception, Dark Beast Ganon. It is not actually a Ganon. Rather it's simply the by-product of the latest Ganondorf's hatred and literal Malice.
And the most common misconception is that people seem to be placing BoTW (and now ToTK) near the end of the timelines, when it is clearly set in it's own timeline. It's more obvious in ToTK, but these 2 games are set around 10,000 years after the OoT period. The difference is that instead of the Hero of Time, there was a time-traveling Zelda. And Rauru is a Zonai instead of a Hylian and doesn't live in the sacred realm.
wasn't the exact wording of the curse from demise that there would always be "one who possesses the soul of a hero" not "the hero". Or something like that? I don't see why they all have to be incarnations of the same spirit
No, it is "the hero", not a.
Neat. Thanks homie. Love the channel
Bandit: Is that confusing?
Me: No I understand it completely.
I like to have head cannon that each Link is a reincarnation of the Skyward sword link… like a bond beyond time with Zelda/Hylia’s reincarnations as each Princess Zelda. It seems that atleast in the Hero Wins timeline, most links are just straight descents of the last 🤷🏻♂️ atleast with the hero of time and twilight Princess
The only ones confirmed to be bloodline connected afaik are OoT Link and TP Link. The rest canonnically speaking are reincarnations. What you've said I'd honestly say is actual, real, confirmed canon. Demise's curse on Link and Zelda said "You people who possess the blood of the Goddess and the SOUL of hero". He specifically says *soul*. The curse is on Hylia's bloodline and the hero's soul. *Zelda* has to be bloodline connected as that's the only way to be a descendent of the Goddess Hylia, but nothing in his curse says the hero is connected by bloodline.
Awesome Video Bro!
I hope the master sword is a major part or the first part of the quest In tears of the kingdom
I hope so too though given how that sword works in Breath of the wild the game might take it away at the beginning of the game and make you earn it back
Probably the first part only as i doubt Link and Zelda will spend a lot of time underneath Hyrule Castle before Link's journey through the sky islands begins.
Watching this after TOTK’s release and seeing him speculate about BOTW & TOTK feels like I hold forbidden knowledge.
It would be cool if every reincarnation of link was different, so we could have the same “everyone can be a hero” that Spider-Man have
11:41 That’s what you think
Also: Non-canon but still my favorite, Hero of Trophies. He knows Zelda and Ganondorf, and pulled the Master Sword out of a stump, but other than that no backstory.
I absolutely think Demise is returning in totk if you look at old clips of the game and see demise he's got the long red glowing like hair that you see in the 3rd trailer for totk
As much as I love "The Hero of Trains" if we want Link to have a more respectable title, it could be "The Hero of Plains"
6:12 Do never enter Hero of Time's realm with other clothes than the green tunic or I will find you. This image will haunt me in my dreams
I believe you're incorrect about Ganondorf not being the reincarnation of Demise's hatred. You're assuming all other demon lords are in some way directly connected to Demise. Except there is little or no evidence of that. However, if you go by the Japanese versions of the series, there is a big detail about most of the big bads in the series that is rarely mentioned in English. That being the Demon Tribe. Demise was Lord of the Demon Tribe. Girahim took that position after Demise was sealed away. Vaati is also a member of that very tribe. However, Ganondorf's power and rage is superior to them all. He himself calls himself the Demon king. It's also why the Master Sword is only ever used when fighting against him usually. It's creation was to fight against Demise and his power.
Side note. Majora was from a completely different dimension and has completely different origins, proving as well there is no tie to Demise
I think BoTW and ToTK have done a great job of finally explaining something to me. In the fallen timeline there are two Zelda's because when all else failed, Zelda could have been sealed away in the hopes of one day fixing something that went wrong in her timeline, or to at least save the goddess bloodline. I say that cause BoTW shows Zelda going into stasis by magic. ToTK showed us that 2 Zelda's can exist due to a time paradox. We know of healing and sealing chambers litter the series. I think then that game ends the timeline cause Zelda goes back to as a kid and warns Link that Ganon is a bad man.
I still have issues with the "Wind Waker Link isn't the Spirit of the Hero," particularly because the 'evidence' for it primarily comes from the King of Red Lions.
And the problem with using The King of Red Lions' dialogue with Jaboon as 'evidence' that Wind Waker Link isn't the Spirit of the Hero is twofold.
The first problem is that The King of Red Lions and Jaboon, obviously, exist within the restraints of the world of WW. In the case of the King of Red Lions, he also exists within the mindset of someone who has overwhelmingly been in isolation for hundreds of years, with his only real knowledge of the Hero being.... that the Hero didn't come to save Hyrule hundreds of years ago. Meaning that his words _can't actually be taken as objective fact._ He's saying what he thinks, with all the millenia of misinformation caused by oral tradition.
The second problem is the existence of Skyward Sword on the whole. As a later entry to the series and one that Nintendo and Miyamoto were both *aggressively* involved in the development of, any information given in Skyward Sword takes priority over information given in any prior games. Meaning that the bit about how "the Mastersword is actually _Master's Sword,_ and can ONLY be wielded by the warrior with the soul of THE Hero;" takes precedence over the information given in Wind Waker. Including the bit about "not being the soul of the Hero."
The problems with the "the spirit of the hero is dead forever" theory extend to Spirit Tracks. Demise's curse is literally overriding. No Spirit of the Hero, no Zelda with divine power from her divine heritage, and no embodiment of the hate of the Demon Tribe. The Malodus is still an evil that would fall under the Curse of Demise. It's not something that was ever limited to just Ganondorf and Ganon.
1. Ww link has to take the trials to become the hero. He doesn't have the spirit.
2. The master's sword thing was likely because demise would return, not because of demises curse. Zelda has held the sword in botw and totk, but not knowing if as a weapon. Welding the sword was for those who were worthy such as gaining all 3 pendants. "Welding" is a word is the problem.
3. Why would Malus, a demon of his own be affected by the curse. He stole Zelda's power and Zelda's friend went to save her. It's as flimsy as Vaati or Majora being cursed with it.
@furyberserk 1. He went through a Trial set by the Goddess to be prepared to be the Hero. Like literally *every* Link before him, and those that would follow after him.
2. *ALL* versions of Zelda are the descendents of the Goddess, invested with her power and authority. They're the only people who aren't link who can canonically handle the Master Sword *at all.* Anyone else can't touch it.
3. Demise was the leader of the Demon *tribe.* With the Demon Tribe being described as being *all demons* born from the world. If they're a Demon, they *canonically* have a connection to Demise. What is Malodus described as? *A member of the demon tribe.* What is Majora described as? A demon sealed into a mask by a tribe.
The Curse of Demise *canonically ties the three of them together.* If there's no agent of Demise, there's no Princess imbued with the power of the Goddess, and no agent imbued with the Spirit of the Hero.
No agent of Demise, means no Link. No Link, no Zelda. No Zelda, *no legend of Zelda.*
*The Curse of Demise IS the Legend of Zelda.* You can not separate the two.
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I think it was stated that in ww, link needed the trial because he lacked the soul of the hero. It doesn't matter if he's a reincarnation, all heroes need the trial, but he is not a reincarnation.
I can't speak on the demon tribe as that seems like a vague technicality.
@@furyberserkthat was never stated in wind waker. He took the trials in order to gain access of the master sword which was under the sea in the castle. The tower of gods was actual made to test any potential heroes. It's not even just any hero but the hero chosen by the gods based on the fact they used the word yuusha when explaining this which is only used for Link in the series (the are multiple terms for hero in Japanese so the use of yuusha is significant).
Also in the encyclopedia right at the beginning Wind Waker is acknowledged as being a chosen hero reborn, stating his triforce appearing on his hand is proof (which was also stated in game.)
A Zelda game where Link is transformed by the triforce in a similar way to Ganon, as a humanoid something rather than wolf link would be pretty sick
Maybe not something like Sonic Unleashed where it’s just a gimmick but in a similar way to how we unlock the sage/champion abilities over the course of a game
Is the Fallen Timeline where Link gets defeated in combat by Ganondorf, or is it merely the future(s) that Link leaves to change the past before being ready to face Ganondorf at the end of OoT?
wait, I just realized that, if we assume the "Spirit of the Hero" doesn't exist in the adult timeline because Link was sent back to the past... then shouldn't the same go for the Triforce of Courage? If we assume that Adult Link and everything he had on him was sent to the past, lost to the future forever, then that should include the Triforce of Courage, since he also still had it at that time and it should be tied to his spirit in some sense. Of course, that would seem impossible since the TRIforce obviously needs to consist of 3 parts, but it doesn't feel like there's any implication that anything happens to the Triforce of Courage after Adult Link is sent back in time, again, he still has it after all, just like everything else he had on him. So... perhaps something else happened that avoided there to be only 2 pieces of the Triforce? Or maybe it's just an unexplainable inconsistency that just simply wasn't accounted for.
-also, if we consider the "Spirit of the Hero" to be "the Goddesses Chosen Hero" as in the hero chosen by Hylia, then that'd still somewhat apply to WW-Link, since he was "chosen" by Tetra, who is WWs Zelda and thus the reincarnation of Hylia.-
Yeah you basically screw everything up in multiple different ways if you claim that the hero's soul doesn't exist in the Adult timeline. Cuz as you pointed out then neither would the triforce of courage which means the triforce itself doesn't exist as the triforce anymore since one of the thirds is gone (nevermind the fact that Link finds the triforce of courage - great example of how it breaks everything).
Same can be said about the mastersword
Why should the spirit of the hero be the exception of no longer existing? (Which even then it does, Wind Waker Link is acknowledged as a chosen hero by Nintendo)
I named my Hero of Winds, and Hero of Trains Chain and Channel respectively
The theory of splitting the hero and child, that’s a good one. 😮
I think the reason Twilight Zelda is not called Queen is that she simply dosnt have her official coronation yet. Maybe her father stepped down just a week ago so until she is crowned officially its still Princess Zelda.
I really wish we would have gotten another zelda game of OOT/MM link continuing his journey to find Navi, and then eventually returning to Hyrule as an adult with the all masks from MM.
@BanditGames Can you do a history of the Piccori Blade/ Four sword? Cuz I'm a little confused on why the palace of the four sword is in ALTTP.
Are you forgetting that Ganondorf literally calls The Hero Of Winds "The Hero of Time Reborn"?
This is probably not going to make sense but.... I thing the reason the 3 timeliness exist not because of zelda but because of the very virtue that the master sword forced link into adult hood creating the causal split in the first place. And it basically softened time to account for all the damage link did messing with time to balance it out and account for all his changes and potentially forgetting to do created the fallen time and since zelda sent link back she gave the child timeline their hero so they might both enjoy their peace for a time
12:52 - THE WIND FISH IN NAME ONLY, FOR IT IS NEITHER
Can we all just talk about how amazing they made links father look absolute mwah perfect