Tree Supports for Better 3D Print Results in Cura
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2024
- Chuck shows you a great example how Tree Supports can give you better 3D Print Results in Cura. He has a tool holder design that needed supports so he compares regular supports to Tree supports to see if the results are better in this week's Filament Friday.
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ohhh fantastic video. Always wondered how you do tree supports
I love tree supports, I mean, literally. The other day I printed 3 figures of some people together, and the support came out so "beautiful tree" that I could not throw it away. I carefully peeled everything off and now I will buy wood type paint and artificial leaves to make a bonsai mockup
I love tree supports, the print is so much cleaner and they're easy to remove. In fact I'm impressed you managed to get that box off the bed with the tree intact, I usually loose half the support just getting the print off my printer.
I also highly prefer using tree supports when printing figures and other more "artistic" type of prints vs more "mechanical" types of prints
Literally just tried them out on a larger day+ print yesterday. Really good for clean up and nice for larger more intricate prints, like large terrain pieces I sell to Tabletop players.
Groot supports!
I am Groot.
I have always had great success with tree supports. They use extra plastic yes, but for my workload I am willing to pay that for the advantage of less hassle post printing.
That said, this is a great example of their usefulness. Thanks for the video.
I usually find they use less plastic.
Nice video. Thanks for your hard work. Over the years I have learned a lot from you and your channel. Thank you again.
been watching you for YEARS now. still an amazing and informative channel. keep up the great work!
Great illustration of when and where to use tree supports, thanks, Chuck!
Been using trees since they were experimental. Wayyy better and easier to remove
Tree supports are my go-to option. Thanks for sharing it!
I have to say...I wasn't big on them when I first started this hobby, but I've been converted...I use them whenever possible now! 👍👍
NIce. Flashforge does a different type of tree support that uses even less plastic - more like actual branches, but it would be less likely towork straight off the bed like yours did.
Great content in this video Chuck I really appreciate your time to show us a demo as well
i use tree supports for almost everything, love em.
I use tree supports all the time, I love them.
Great idea! Those tree supports are fun to see on taller printers. Thanks for sharing.
Fantastic, Chuck! Thanks a lot for the tip! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks for the information! 🏴
Didn't realize the red meant it needed support, Thanks!
Tip, if you you modify the model, to only have the top corner in the rail, and the others makes them.just square, it could just latch on with out unscrewing anything
Not sure I understand but sounds like it would need to pivot to install and not sure that would work. I’d have to see your idea.
i use almost exclusively tree supports, I find that in most uses they come off a lot easier than standard supports.
Tree support also save you filaments as the default setting prints the tree hollow.
Another great video, thanks
"you might like it in the back; it's your choice." LoL
Nice example.
Thanks for the video man just getting into 3d printing and this was a great tip 🤙
This is nice to know for the future, may resolve a few model issues where supports are needed but the normal version does not work to well
Might also be a good idea to add a little basket to the small bits part of the holder so you can pull it out and take out the parts easier instead of digging in with your fingers
Thank you.
Another great vid, I love the alcohol bottle holder and use it, Ill be adding this little guy to the other side as Im not too happy with my current tool holder. Keep up the great work 👌
Tree supports are a game changer, but they always make the print look like it's failing 😂
Love Tree Supports
Nice, great video.
Nice, thank you
Good stuff. I've been using tree supports pretty much exclusively since they've been in the experimental section of Cura. Removal is easier and most of the time print time & material is less 👍🏻
Thank you sir
Tree supports are great I’ve used many times and had great success I wish prusaslicer had tree supports.. or maybe it does and I’ve just never seen it in the options,great video as always 👍
CHEP, to the rescue once again. As for the tool holder, I personally love the version CHEP designed that can be mounted on the top vertical rail in V-slots, to this day its the best addition to my Ender 3.
Tree supports also have an option to have a brim, which is useful because they are usually one extrusion wide and can come off the build plate easy.
Very cool, 100% improvment for me - thank you!
Could you do some testing of the new experimental feature called draft shield in Cura?
I personally prefer conical supports. You should do a video on them. I realize tree supports are ideal for this model.
Done: th-cam.com/video/owgUmQao2ME/w-d-xo.html
@@FilamentFriday That's not quite what I'm referring to. In Cura's experimental settings "enable conical supports". And I think if some 0mm settings are applied can be paired with towers.
I've used them with basic geometric shapes with great success, and slicing time is greatly reduced too compared to tree supports too.
When using tree supports, I set "Support Interface Pattern" to Zig Zag. The default is grid. I find zig zag removes cleaner.
Is there a version of just the tool holder insert? I modified your original for my CR-10 and used screws and t-nuts.
How did you configure the tree support to be easier removed please? Thx :)
Did the latest update change how Cura does tree supports? Because whenever I tried them before they were an awful nonsensical mess so I never used them. I wish the other slicers would copy FlashPrint's tree supports.
Tree supports are one of the few things that FlashPrint surprisingly gets right. Some of the other support settings it has are complete garbage, unfortunately.
My printer good work 175 deg for pla?
Is it good ?
i have a model that with supports is almost impossible to remove due to 90 degree turns and overhangs. i have to do alot of work to get it out. i wish there was a setting to break up support pieces based on what its supporting so they are interconnected
I've found tree supports so much more reliable, it's not even funny.
T H A N K S ! dear chuck I follow since quite a time your great channel here on youtube and mostly I get from each post of you a nice "ahaaaa"! so I like to say thanks for your efforts and the will to share your knowledge with us. keep going your great episodes - T H A N K S !
I freaking love tree support. Print al lthe time with them
I have a love/hate relationship with tree supports. I find that they can get wiggly as they get taller. I’ve been messing with adding an additional wall so they aren’t susceptible to the wiggles
can you think of any way to get the stl with tree supports saved out of cura? i know it not supposed to be possible and i havent figured out any trick to it yet but maybe you can? no?
Tree supports are my default setting. But are there any situations where normal supports are better? I haven't come across any such situation till now.
Depends on the print. It can use less plastic.
A better solution for supports and for front mounting it is to use T-nuts to mount it. Instead of the part that needs support l, just put two screw holes.
it would be nice to get into the details of what each parameter does. ya in cura the settings kind of give u some details but they don't do a great job explaining higher or lower values, if only they had a setting where u can adjust it without having to reslice every time, like it would save the slice file and only change what it needs to rather than slice it all over.
I always use tree supports now instead of the normal one. The normal uses allot more filament where the tree uses less due to it being hollow. That's why I don't like Prusa Slicer because it don't have tree support in the supports option where's Cura Does.
great video and your other ones have been a great help also. i use your 4.12 good profile and notice my cura print times are twice as long, do you run at higher speeds?
Do you add walls or higher infill?
Print speed is set in the profiles.
@CHEP this is for this exact print and zero changes other then temp. 50 speed
I’m not sure why it would be different.
Any advice on putting a ender 3 v2 inside a encloser? I’m worried about the power supply overheating in my current encloser
@@atombell991 Yeah, it really is as simple as that. I have my driver board outside too.
I use only tree support since I've discovered it a while ago, I even wonder why the "regular" support still exist !
Question. How did you go about tuning your settings for hole ID accuracy? No matter how I try to tweak it, they always come out undersized.
Try this: th-cam.com/video/UUelLZvDelU/w-d-xo.html
i tried to open your cura settings link and it gave me a 404 cant find code
I like tree supports. Especially that they remove easier. But I find that on complicated geometry sometimes no matter what my angle setting is it won't put the supports on all the surfaces that I want. Is there a way to force Cura to put tree supports on certain surfaces?
No but maybe try custom supports. th-cam.com/video/M0H8Ki8Sl5Q/w-d-xo.html
I just started using tree supports. Tree supports are pretty easy to remove. i can't get regular or any other supports to remove from my prints. All other support just WELD to my print. i wish Ultimaker would correct this so all support are easier to remove. But until then I am only going to use Tree Supports.
I always use tree supports.
Nice💕👌🔥👍
Tree support, lightning infill... might have to consider changing slicer.
Omg! The evil chuck made it again XD
Great video!
Does having that toolbox there containing parts add vibrations that can affect prints negatively when printing?
No but will make a little extra noise.
Good day. I was hoping to get a little help from yourself or the amazing community.
I am using a creality cr10s pro v2.
The problem: The entire printer freezes mid print. Everything works fine but somewhere around 25% to 50% it stops. The touch screen won't respond and the bed and hotend cool down.
Can provide any other info upon request.
Try a different SD card.
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Thank's brothers...
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I like it in the back OwO
Can you help me? I’ve had endless trouble with elephants foot, and I’ve already seen your video on the subject about doing the negative expansion of the first layer to compensate.
Adjust your bed further from the nozzle. Use this method. th-cam.com/video/rDm9OziZ6dY/w-d-xo.html
At what percentage? Support infill percentage
my wife really wanted a pit droid from star wars printed out for her work desk, and the tree supports would break off everytime at the hands, what would be better to change for strength, density or wall line count? or any other suggestions would be appreciated
Typically density
2:47 is when the part you came here for starts. Everything before it is just filler.
i had a similar model but i made it so it snaps in, instead of sliding it in. :)
> I took the original design and made an insert for it
I thought the next line would be:
> then I just printed the insert and stuck it in the box I already had
but then there'd be no video
I am using the latest version of cura and I can only see Everything or TOuching Buildplate options in the support placement dropdown. Can't see Tree feature.
Edit: Actually, there's an easier way - Hover over the support heading and click on the gear, then enable Support Structure.
I had the same issue. Hit the Settings dropdown at the top menu, then Setting Visibility, scroll way down to the Support section, and enable Support Structure.
or you can just search tree in the search bar
How does the toolbox that comes with the Voxelab/Ender have these crushable, easy to remove supports? Isn't there a way to make the supports "wispy" or thinner?
Yeah. Infill setting for supports.
@@FilamentFriday No matter what I do, it prints a thick inner and outer wall and just varies the spacing of the fill lines/squares, etc. I was hoping for an accordion shape or to have a much thinner support. It is as strong as the model I am printing. So I must be missing something.
Have you tried my profiles
Hi
Thanks for a great video again, would you be able to help me, I am very new to 3d printing ( absolutely into it ) I am using cura but got a problem , when I put something on the plate to slice it top left hand of page says
Print setup disabled. G-code file can not be modified
And the little file envelope on the left is closed , I can’t figure out what I have done wrong , could you advise.
I am trying out Pursa.
In anticipation thanks greatly
Question, is the file your opening end in .STL or .gcode?
@@thenakedcableguy thanks for the reply , STL I had the same job working previously sometime it works ok but some I have printed successfully before now they don’t.I must have altered some settings but don’t know what
@@stuartwilliams7903 are you able to take the file to your printer and have it print?
You may still be opening the gcode file by accident as the error points to not having the 3d geometry data contained in the file.
If the model data is stripped out Cura can't modify it.
@@thenakedcableguy hi thanks , it shows on the plate , but can’t slice it or do anything with it ,the profile disappears top right and that sentence appears, I am very new to printing so not very helpful
@@stuartwilliams7903 what I'm asking is if the file will print. If it prints or your printer tries to print it, it may actually be a tool path file eg. Gcode and not actually be a proper STL file.
Edit, Cura gives that error when there is no 3d model data. It will still show a model on the plate because it's a recognized tool path file but you can't alter it because there is no 3d model data to alter.
I am using your latest profiles, but finding on my prints the are easily split apart on the horizontal layers . First impressions its a really good print, but they aren't bonded enough to give strength. I am using the profile to print a small quadcopter drone frame and as soon as it takes any sort of impact, you see it falls apart ,straight down the horizontal layers. There's got to be a getter way to bond. just like when printing in resin
You need to adjust temperature for your filament. There can't be universal slicer profile for all filaments
@@drihtamnetu I have it set to 230 Its a carbon based mix filament Thats the temp they give
Did you do a temp tower test to verify that on your machine?
My guess is your machine may require a higher setting or your nozzle isn’t actually getting to the set temp.
i always use tree supports if i need supports to begin with, they are so much easier to remove and there is so much less post processing time.
Great videoChuck! Can I ask where you got the CAD for the rail? I would love to use that for designing too!!
I did a community post on it. I share it here: thangs.com/CHEP/4040_Mountstl-27330
@@FilamentFriday Thanks Chuck! Looking for the actual rail file, do you know where I can find that?
Search Tinkercad gallery. That’s where I found it.
@@FilamentFriday Thanks Chuck, I found it!
I don't have the choose support option on cura , i only have support yes or no
You have your menu set to simple mode where it only gives you a couple common options. There is also advanced, expert, all and custom. It will automatically go to custom the moment you show or hide a specific setting from the settings menu at the top.
How do u kno when to use tree supports or normal supports
You can always use it honestly, it just preference now.
I use tree supports for everything, is there a scenario where normal supports are better?
Depends on the print. Sometimes custom supports using pillars are better.
Are there any situations where you would advise against using tree supports?
They take longer and use more plastic so only when necessary.
@@FilamentFriday Funny, I was under the impression that it used less plastic. I'll be keeping an eye on that from now on. Thanks!
5:12 Or you could make the model a few mm smaller, so it fits under the end stop.
Always used tree supports BUT... I have a real issue with Custom supports because, whatever I do, the support ALWAYS drops through the model to the build base and, when I slice the model, the custom supports do not appear in the preview.
Any chance of a master class on using custom supports using the latest Cura version 4.11?
I KNOW cura is free but it has some annoying quirks.
Maybe disabling the "Automatically drop models to the build plate" under Preferences (Top Left menu) > Configure Cura > General (Viewport Behaviour) might help you. It is useful when printing single models but for more complex prints it can be unbearable.
Rick - Have you watched this: th-cam.com/video/owgUmQao2ME/w-d-xo.html
@@tesbux Head slap time. yes, I'll try that.
Still wondering why the custom supports don't appear in the preview...
@@FilamentFriday I will do that immediately.
I believe I have watched it before because you always seem to show cura doing stuff I didn't know it could do...
Never had much joy with custom supports though...
A neat tweak for the developers might be a feature to "Force a support here".
Let me see if I can work this out.
Many thanks for the reply :)
@@FilamentFriday Just watched.
My interface looks nothing like yours as I don't get the shape options.
Also, your supports show up in preview, mine don't.
I will have to examine the plugin version.
chep, have you ever used ideamaker???
Yeah. I find it confusing.
@@FilamentFriday hahaha for me it works better then cura for my geetech A10. for the ender 3 pro i use cura.
Can you update your non creality 4.11 profiles please !
Just use a creality machine profile and adjust to your machine size then you can use my profiles.
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You should put a trashcan by your mouth.
Tree support isn't such a bad idea as a DEFAULT setting, it's so handy. :-)
I think the reason its not default is it takes forever to generate on large models.
alternatively, you could extend the slots to the end of the box and rotate the part 90 degrees and print without support altogether.
I’d still get sagging in the loose parts area.
I thought you got good bridging based on previous videos I've seen you do. I'm surprised it would sag enough to not be usable still. it is just for loose parts. Might be a good experiment for doing those diagonally rotated rectangular holes one layer thick ala ClockSpring3D.
You need to adjust your innerface settings.
You could get better results from standard supports if you used proper settings. You have some strange techniques with stuff like interface specs. Support infill orientations, shells... Theres an art to this, a deep one. Issue with tree supports is they dont usually have a very good interface layer, lack the ability for interface pattern choices (important to have in different scenarios), they tend to use significantly more filament (and if you make it skinnier, branches have a tendency to break during printing).
To be fair, yes, they work, and yes there are scenarios where they are desirable. Such as situations where a chunk would be captive in the print without cutting or melting to get the support section out. However, this particular scenario is not one of those situations, as you can simply slide out the section sideways. Proper technique with standard supports would both net a better result than tree here (almost flawless) while still being very easy to remove. I used to teach classes on FDM, and we had a 4 week period dedicated specifically to supports and all their intricacies. It takes practice and experience. But don't under estimate the standard type. There are so many more things you can do with it that people dont even realize are possible. You can calibrate them so finely (along with other settings that affect the support section settings) that you can simply flick them, and have them separate while keeping a perfect bridge layer during printing. Just my 2 cents there.
make a tutorial.
Agree. Looking forward to DevWolf video on it.
Your two cents here is much appreciated, thanks for taking the time to comment them.
Tree supports are amazing most of the time. The only downside is a longer slicing time.
are you slicing on a nintendo if it takes time to slice?
@@TommiHonkonen no... Lenovo ThinkPad p15s with 10th gen core i7 and quadro gpu,.16gb ram.
Many of the models I slice that need tree supports are large and complex, and Cura takes a good 30s to a minute longer to process that. It's not forever longer, but noticeable and not instant.
@@jasonjulian1 use background slicing or change slicer?
@@TommiHonkonen I'm sure it's Cura just being inefficient.
If I'm slicing something big or complex like that, chances are I've got 50 other things I can do while it's processing.