AWESOME VID. TY. FYI the hyperlink to the AIE MOUNTING BRACKETS and the CTS V BACKING PLATES directs to a lost page. After a quick google search it became evident that IDKWTF I’m doing. Do you mind replying with a new direct link to those 2 items? I have the rotors, calipers, spacers, studs and new brake lines and didn’t realize I needed those brackets and backing plates for the REARS. THANK YOU!
Are the CTSV 6 pistons that you are using the same at the 2013 to 2015 Camaro ZL1 six piston ones? And also the rear 4 piston callipers from both. There is a affordable set of the ZL1 front and rear for sale. They look exactly the same as the CTSV ones except black. Thanx for the reply. Cheers.
Did you installed a brake proportioning valve? And tested and set it, as explained in another youtube miata video and regain front/rear wheel lock as the stock setup the factory dialed. Should set to front and rear to lock at the same time, And then dial a little more front lock. And also regaining oversteer understeer stock setup Both of these setups can be dangerous is not addressed. Another youtube brembo instalation ended locking the the front tires At a minimum pedal presure.
Very nice! Been searching for info on the someone that finally did the rears, been wanting too. Anything specific I need to look out for when ordering parts? 99 SS with 10 bolt
I messed up and have everything to do the ats 4 piston swap and didn't realize it's only 98-02. Ugh. Are the new spindles all I need and are they plug and play for the earlier camaro?
I'm running cts V1 calipers 04-07 got them off ebay for 300 brand new. Also you'll want to run custom stainless lines. Flynbye takes forever, I ordered mine off kore3 very fast shipping. Got stoptech 2010 ss rotors and had the hub bored out by a machinist. I have a couple videos of my car if you wanna see the difference between the 6 piston and 4 piston.
I'm interested in doing this swap. Especially for the rear for my 19997 Z28. Only thing is I have a 12 bolt rear with 3 inch axle tubes. I'm looking for Baer lightweight 2 piece Eradispeed Rotors though if I can find them. What Brake Rear Brake Rotors Are you using? Are they the same as the rear rotors for a 2010-2015 Camaro SS?
Did you buy the Archived Innovations Engineering complete Rear Brake Kit or just there caliper brackets? I might buy there whole rear kit, but I want to use Baer Eradispeed Rotors but I don't know if the rear brake rotors in there kit the same size as the 2nd gen cts-v.
Dude that rear bracket with 4 piston cts-v on the rear is money, props! How much better are the 6 pistons vs the 4 piston cts-v's, like the look and probably cheaper price of the 4 pistons but want the best bite. I loove my car(WS.6) but HATE the shitty brakes it has, i plan on reaching a power level that will require a new rear so ill probably just run a front cts v set up and was wondering how big of a diffence between the two really is?
You'll be fine with the fronts. The 4 piston cts-v brakes are good, I wanted to fill out the looks of the car front and rear. It works just fine on the track and on the street.
What year ctsv brake parts were used ? And the brakes would work pretty much on any 93-02 firebird formula right mine is a 94 ive been looking into this . great looking car man
Gen2 CTS-V Brakes. It works on 98-02, you'd need the LS1 style uprights to make it work up front. drive.google.com/file/d/0ByoWgCgdZpJALTBxSGp0dUJWMEE/view
U misunderstood. I am putting the 4 piston ctsv calipers on front. What could I put on the back and would I have to use 18” with the 4 piston caliper in front
Oh, yeah you could run the 4 pistons front and rear, not sure how the brake bias would be though. There are some 17" wheels you can run with the V1 CTS-V calipers. Not sure which ones, you'd have to check ls1tech.
Hey there, just bought some 6 piston callipers for my CETA. 3 questions. Do the new corvette front hubs and the adapter "brackets" kick the front wheels out at all. ( do they make the front wheels stick out further ) Did the stock CTSV backing plates just bolt right on? ( in the rear ) And, is the stock master cylinder beefy enough ( push enough brake fluid ) to operate the bigger brake set up?? Thanx bud, you have bin a big help to me. Cheers.
1) The hubs with the adapter plate are the same track width as stock. 2) The backing plates bolt right on, but if you have 4-channel ABS it might need modifications to accept the VSS sensor. 3) The stock master is enough, but I did add a Strano master cylinder brace.
List of parts is in the pdf link in the descriptions. Best place is listed for the most part, find whoever has the best pricing (rockauto even is a good source).
How does the parking brake work on the rears. Does it still use the factory drum style or does it connect directly to the new calipers. The camera was out of focus on that part. And you said it mounts up like stock, I'm assuming you just mean the cable but I want to make sure.
It uses the CTS-V backing plates which has the parking brake setup just like on the f-body drum-style setup. It uses cables that adapt the f-body handbrake to those backing plates as the lengths are different, etc.
Are the GM 5th Gen ZL1 Brakes the same. They look the same but since I have a Black 97 Camaro Z28, I think they will look better since the ZL1 Calipers are powder coated black. I have 2 sets of 18 inch C6 Wheels for the street and 2 sets of C5 Corvette Magnesium Wheels for track use so I can get the best rotating weight savings (With the tires I want to use also cause some tires are heavy as hell) using the rear C5 18 by 9.5 wheels on all 4 corners. (I'll be selling the four 17s in once the brake swap is done cause I'm never going back). Anyway my next question is do I have to get a rear mounting bracket custom made to mount the rear cts=v2 setup on my Moser 12 Bolt rear cause my axle tubes are 3 inches in diameter. Don't know if the stock 10 bolt is 3 inches or 2.5 -2.75 inches in diameter.
I had a question about the rear set up, what year of ctsv backing plate did you use for e-brake set up. I have a guy parting out a 05 Ctsv I was going to grab everything front an rear calipers, rotors, and e-brake set up and wasn’t sure if the 05 e-brake backing plate set up was the same one as you used. I’m was hoping to put them on my 01 trans am. What year or ctsv did all your parts come off? Obviously your fronts were the newer 6 piston ones off the later years but what about the rear set up?
Ah ok thanks. Great video btw! After I saw it I just had to do the swap to mine as well. One last question if you don’t mind, you think the first gen e-brake assembly’s will work like the second gen did? I emailed bigbrakeupgrade about there rear mounting adapter it also looks like they had one that had the e-brake set up on it as well. But be nice to use the one off the 05 since I can get it with all the other stuff save some cash for those 1000$ vette hubs. Thanks again.
im looking to do the same thing for my 2010 challenger SE (v6) i plan on doing a motor swap in the future, but want to start with the brakes and suspension. my question is, would this work with the earlier gen challenger. im even thinking of doing a video on the swap, once i get enough info! anything helps...
At around the 5:50 mark you'll see the rear calipers are off a CTS-V. www.bigbrakeugrade.com has adapters for it, email or call them and Scott can get you hooked up.
I didn't need wheel spacers. If you get wheels with a proper spoke clearance and offset, you don't need spacers. The custom brake lines are mentioned in the writeup.
Thanks Dan, it was a few grand, but made some of that money back selling the stock brake system. I've yet to really get to push their limits but this layout will allow me to upgrade to even higher end brakes in the long run. These are oem replacement parts so if something goes wrong, I'm a NAPA parts store away from getting what I need.
@@charleshenson4183 remember I did this like over 3 years ago when most of those parts were new. Now you can get the majority of the parts from salvage yards for cheap. My price estimate was for front AND rear. Not a lot of people have done the rear conversion.
@@charleshenson4183 cts v brakes are around 1300 bucks. He also got corvette hubs on there those aren’t cheap. You still will be around 1500 if you do single piece rotors and keep the oem 4th gen hubs
Besides cosmetics is it worth it? It seems unless your on a forum (where probably all the long time users are now gone) there is no way of knowing the level of improvement.
One more question, what offset rims do I need for them to work without spacers with exact ( ctsv front and rear) set up. Can you give me all the measurements I need to purchase. I have a 2002 collectors edition and want to use 18’ rims. Thanx for your help.
@@sucapizda Offsets vary, what you need is good spoke clearance and each wheel design is very different. I just recently got a +15 offset wheel and the spokes didn't clear even though it was supposed to be a high pad design.
WarShrike Ok, so if I get a set of 18’ rims for a CTSV ( as callipers and rotors are from a ctsv) they will work with out issues, is this correct? Thanx for your time.
@@anthonylombardo7577 I never had traction control. I have 3 channel ABS so the sensor is on the differential. 4 channel abs cars have a tone ring on the axle. Making this kit work with a 4 channel abs car is something im not experienced with. Would need to check with www.bigbrakeupgrade.com and see what options they have.
Charlie Johnson go through the pdf in the description and there are links for what you need. Prices have gone up on the ctsv components since I did this mod. I got the calipers from zzp on eBay and the rotors from amazon. Check with Scoggin Dickey Parts or Amazon as those are the most competitive in pricing.
be expensive route honestly. could probably go with a caddy cts4 or whatever faster. it's either cts4 or sts4. I mentioned long ago to you about using a setup from then in a fbody because front suspension wasn't too far off of ours.
we need more subscribers for this guy
Man, awesome video, and that PDF is legit. Great job, and thank-you.
Awesome video! Boy I sure wish I could join whatever forum this guy is in!
AWESOME VID. TY. FYI the hyperlink to the AIE MOUNTING BRACKETS and the CTS V BACKING PLATES directs to a lost page. After a quick google search it became evident that IDKWTF I’m doing. Do you mind replying with a new direct link to those 2 items? I have the rotors, calipers, spacers, studs and new brake lines and didn’t realize I needed those brackets and backing plates for the REARS. THANK YOU!
Thank you I’ve been looking for a video like this for my trans am
Are the CTSV 6 pistons that you are using the same at the 2013 to 2015 Camaro ZL1 six piston ones? And also the rear 4 piston callipers from both. There is a affordable set of the ZL1 front and rear for sale. They look exactly the same as the CTSV ones except black. Thanx for the reply. Cheers.
I'm not sure on the interchange between the two, sorry.
Did you figure this out? I too am looking at a set
I can not find the rear caliper bracket that you show under ai industries. Can you show or website?👍
Thank you for this awesome video!
Did you installed a brake proportioning valve?
And tested and set it, as explained in another youtube miata video
and regain front/rear wheel lock as the stock setup the factory dialed.
Should set to front and rear to lock at the same time,
And then dial a little more front lock.
And also regaining oversteer understeer stock setup
Both of these setups can be dangerous is not addressed.
Another youtube brembo instalation ended locking the the front tires
At a minimum pedal presure.
Very nice! Been searching for info on the someone that finally did the rears, been wanting too. Anything specific I need to look out for when ordering parts? 99 SS with 10 bolt
Haze89 the rear calipers, theres an early casting that doesnt have the notches and a later casting that does. These notches clear the backing plate.
I messed up and have everything to do the ats 4 piston swap and didn't realize it's only 98-02. Ugh. Are the new spindles all I need and are they plug and play for the earlier camaro?
Very nice setup
Good vid. Can the 4 piston calipers fit the front also?
I'm running 4 piston on mine
@@bhcamaro2002 any difference in installing those?
No sir
@@bhcamaro2002 thanks. I would like to find a set of those. What year/model did you use?
I'm running cts V1 calipers 04-07 got them off ebay for 300 brand new. Also you'll want to run custom stainless lines. Flynbye takes forever, I ordered mine off kore3 very fast shipping. Got stoptech 2010 ss rotors and had the hub bored out by a machinist. I have a couple videos of my car if you wanna see the difference between the 6 piston and 4 piston.
Had to subscribe after seeing this thing
What years CTS-v calipers?
What year and model did the front brake cailbers come off please
I'm interested in doing this swap. Especially for the rear for my 19997 Z28. Only thing is I have a 12 bolt rear with 3 inch axle tubes. I'm looking for Baer lightweight 2 piece Eradispeed Rotors though if I can find them. What Brake Rear Brake Rotors Are you using? Are they the same as the rear rotors for a 2010-2015 Camaro SS?
Cts-v rotors all around.
Did you buy the Archived Innovations Engineering complete Rear Brake Kit or just there caliper brackets? I might buy there whole rear kit, but I want to use Baer Eradispeed Rotors but I don't know if the rear brake rotors in there kit the same size as the 2nd gen cts-v.
Dude that rear bracket with 4 piston cts-v on the rear is money, props! How much better are the 6 pistons vs the 4 piston cts-v's, like the look and probably cheaper price of the 4 pistons but want the best bite. I loove my car(WS.6) but HATE the shitty brakes it has, i plan on reaching a power level that will require a new rear so ill probably just run a front cts v set up and was wondering how big of a diffence between the two really is?
You'll be fine with the fronts. The 4 piston cts-v brakes are good, I wanted to fill out the looks of the car front and rear. It works just fine on the track and on the street.
Is the rear in your f body a 3 channel or 4 channel?
What year ctsv brake parts were used ? And the brakes would work pretty much on any 93-02 firebird formula right mine is a 94 ive been looking into this . great looking car man
Gen2 CTS-V Brakes. It works on 98-02, you'd need the LS1 style uprights to make it work up front.
drive.google.com/file/d/0ByoWgCgdZpJALTBxSGp0dUJWMEE/view
where can i find the pdf files thanks for the great video
It's in the description up above.
U misunderstood. I am putting the 4 piston ctsv calipers on front. What could I put on the back and would I have to use 18” with the 4 piston caliper in front
Oh, yeah you could run the 4 pistons front and rear, not sure how the brake bias would be though.
There are some 17" wheels you can run with the V1 CTS-V calipers. Not sure which ones, you'd have to check ls1tech.
Hey there, just bought some 6 piston callipers for my CETA. 3 questions. Do the new corvette front hubs and the adapter "brackets" kick the front wheels out at all. ( do they make the front wheels stick out further ) Did the stock CTSV backing plates just bolt right on? ( in the rear ) And, is the stock master cylinder beefy enough ( push enough brake fluid ) to operate the bigger brake set up?? Thanx bud, you have bin a big help to me. Cheers.
1) The hubs with the adapter plate are the same track width as stock.
2) The backing plates bolt right on, but if you have 4-channel ABS it might need modifications to accept the VSS sensor.
3) The stock master is enough, but I did add a Strano master cylinder brace.
Will the base C7 with JL9 calipers work on both ends of the 4th gen Camaro.
Where can I find a complete list of parts to do the front and rear ctsv caliper and rotor swap and best place to get the parts
List of parts is in the pdf link in the descriptions. Best place is listed for the most part, find whoever has the best pricing (rockauto even is a good source).
Your google drive link isn’t working for me.
How does the parking brake work on the rears. Does it still use the factory drum style or does it connect directly to the new calipers. The camera was out of focus on that part. And you said it mounts up like stock, I'm assuming you just mean the cable but I want to make sure.
It uses the CTS-V backing plates which has the parking brake setup just like on the f-body drum-style setup. It uses cables that adapt the f-body handbrake to those backing plates as the lengths are different, etc.
@@WarShrike so it's still a drum style brake shoe inside the CTSV rotor correct?
@@AdrenalineJunky17 correct.
@@WarShrike understood, thank you very much for the video and replies!
What rear brake lines did you use and did flynebye sell them? Also do you have any brake pad knock back on the rear caliper pistons?
The lines I got were from www.bigbrakeupgrade.com
There was some knockback but it was decreased a lot after installing the corvette hubs.
can you tell me if the GM# 172-2487,172-2488 (FRONT 6P'S) GM#172-2308,172-2309 (REAR 4P'S) ARE THE SAME AS THE CALIPERS YOU USED ??
What parking brake cable did you use for the rear?
Are the GM 5th Gen ZL1 Brakes the same. They look the same but since I have a Black 97 Camaro Z28, I think they will look better since the ZL1 Calipers are powder coated black. I have 2 sets of 18 inch C6 Wheels for the street and 2 sets of C5 Corvette Magnesium Wheels for track use so I can get the best rotating weight savings (With the tires I want to use also cause some tires are heavy as hell) using the rear C5 18 by 9.5 wheels on all 4 corners. (I'll be selling the four 17s in once the brake swap is done cause I'm never going back). Anyway my next question is do I have to get a rear mounting bracket custom made to mount the rear cts=v2 setup on my Moser 12 Bolt rear cause my axle tubes are 3 inches in diameter. Don't know if the stock 10 bolt is 3 inches or 2.5 -2.75 inches in diameter.
www.bigbrakeupgrade.com, email them, they'll get you setup.
I had a question about the rear set up, what year of ctsv backing plate did you use for e-brake set up. I have a guy parting out a 05 Ctsv I was going to grab everything front an rear calipers, rotors, and e-brake set up and wasn’t sure if the 05 e-brake backing plate set up was the same one as you used. I’m was hoping to put them on my 01 trans am. What year or ctsv did all your parts come off? Obviously your fronts were the newer 6 piston ones off the later years but what about the rear set up?
The rears are off a 2nd gen ctsv as well.
Ah ok thanks. Great video btw! After I saw it I just had to do the swap to mine as well. One last question if you don’t mind, you think the first gen e-brake assembly’s will work like the second gen did? I emailed bigbrakeupgrade about there rear mounting adapter it also looks like they had one that had the e-brake set up on it as well. But be nice to use the one off the 05 since I can get it with all the other stuff save some cash for those 1000$ vette hubs. Thanks again.
im looking to do the same thing for my 2010 challenger SE (v6) i plan on doing a motor swap in the future, but want to start with the brakes and suspension. my question is, would this work with the earlier gen challenger. im even thinking of doing a video on the swap, once i get enough info! anything helps...
Hi Russ, not sure. I would probably recommend an SRT brake swap for yours.
Can u put the ctsv rear calipers on ur 4th gen?
At around the 5:50 mark you'll see the rear calipers are off a CTS-V.
www.bigbrakeugrade.com has adapters for it, email or call them and Scott can get you hooked up.
Hello,
Do you have to run Corvette wheels up front to match hub?
What’s something like this cost to do minus the. Corvette hubs
Can I put the 4 piston caliper on the way around front and rear or run the stock rear calipers
I ran 4 piston up front and stock rears
You didn't mention wheel spacers or the custom brake lines needed.
I didn't need wheel spacers. If you get wheels with a proper spoke clearance and offset, you don't need spacers.
The custom brake lines are mentioned in the writeup.
No kidding? I just did it on mine and needed spacers obviously. You're the first person I've seen that didn't need spacers. That's awesome!
would you recommend me for my firebird 98
Do u have any pad knock with the rears?
None. I rebuilt the rear entirely, am running SKF race hubs up front and the brake master brace from Strano.
Dane. Good job! Seen this on Facebook and glad you posted this. About how much did all this cost you and would you say it's worth it?
Thanks Dan, it was a few grand, but made some of that money back selling the stock brake system.
I've yet to really get to push their limits but this layout will allow me to upgrade to even higher end brakes in the long run. These are oem replacement parts so if something goes wrong, I'm a NAPA parts store away from getting what I need.
@@WarShrike
$3 grand,wtf.
Nobody else has spent over $1g & most claim $600.
@@charleshenson4183 remember I did this like over 3 years ago when most of those parts were new. Now you can get the majority of the parts from salvage yards for cheap.
My price estimate was for front AND rear. Not a lot of people have done the rear conversion.
@@WarShrike
I understand,sounds right.
Thx for the video & helping folks out.
Hope you have a happy New year.
@@charleshenson4183 cts v brakes are around 1300 bucks. He also got corvette hubs on there those aren’t cheap. You still will be around 1500 if you do single piece rotors and keep the oem 4th gen hubs
Besides cosmetics is it worth it? It seems unless your on a forum (where probably all the long time users are now gone) there is no way of knowing the level of improvement.
If you use the stock hubs ( not corvette) do you still need to machine the rotor out?
Yes
One more question, what offset rims do I need for them to work without spacers with exact ( ctsv front and rear) set up. Can you give me all the measurements I need to purchase. I have a 2002 collectors edition and want to use 18’ rims. Thanx for your help.
@@sucapizda Offsets vary, what you need is good spoke clearance and each wheel design is very different. I just recently got a +15 offset wheel and the spokes didn't clear even though it was supposed to be a high pad design.
WarShrike Ok, so if I get a set of 18’ rims for a CTSV ( as callipers and rotors are from a ctsv) they will work with out issues, is this correct? Thanx for your time.
hey man I got ahold of some 2017 ss camaro calipers, will they work with the f body?
I'm not sure, but it is possible.
What kind of rim is that. Does it fit a stock camaro 5 lug. Do they come in 17”
Doss FF1 wheels. Fits the 5 lug, only available in 19"
This might be dumb to ask, but will 2014 Camaro 1le calipers also work in this mod?
I believe so. Others are using ATS-V calipers now.
Am I able to do this rear brake upgrade without losing my abs and traction control?
4 channel stuff, not sure. Need to check with Scott at bigbrakeupgrade.com, shoot them an email.
@@WarShrike Dane you no longer have abs or tc after doing the rears?
@@anthonylombardo7577 I never had traction control. I have 3 channel ABS so the sensor is on the differential. 4 channel abs cars have a tone ring on the axle. Making this kit work with a 4 channel abs car is something im not experienced with. Would need to check with www.bigbrakeupgrade.com and see what options they have.
Used the go pros i sold a for this? :P
hortonj63 I've got one better for those. This was the big shop camera and a hero5.
The rear facing one was yours, 238.4mph, held on TIGHT!
th-cam.com/video/aCW2Q-QbMok/w-d-xo.html
ayee :P Nice. My old camera is part of a world setting video
How does it drive? How hard is it to regulate pressure vs stock?
Drives great, check out some of the autocross videos. Brakes good and hard but nothing too dramatic.
Where did you purchase these parts? And how much did you pay?
Charlie Johnson go through the pdf in the description and there are links for what you need. Prices have gone up on the ctsv components since I did this mod. I got the calipers from zzp on eBay and the rotors from amazon.
Check with Scoggin Dickey Parts or Amazon as those are the most competitive in pricing.
where can i get that rear bracket from
www.bigbrakeupgrade.com send them an email and they'll get in touch
What rear rotors did you use?
Just the factory CTS-V rear rotors.
What wheels are those?
wears a LS swap shirt, mods a v6 fbody.....😜
TrollSquirrel I need a TBSS donor for the V70 😂
lol, I know. Did good on the video brother.
be expensive route honestly. could probably go with a caddy cts4 or whatever faster. it's either cts4 or sts4. I mentioned long ago to you about using a setup from then in a fbody because front suspension wasn't too far off of ours.
And now with the splined front Corvette hubs you can put on the f-body, the possibilities are endless ;)
Should I just buy a Vette with all this stuff already on it? Or do up a WS6?
I think AI Engineering is either out of business or there is something wrong with there website.
Yeah, I just go to www.bigbrakeupgrade.com/ instead. Contact Scott, he can get you what you need.
Now put a real motor in that thing next...
Nah, this one will be a sixxer for quite some time.