Cheap and easy way to upgrade LS1 Camaro or Trans Am brakes. CTS V Brembo install.
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- In this video I will show you how to upgrade your factory ls1 front brakes to the gen 1 CTS V Cadillac brake calipers and the 14 inch 5th gen Camaro Rotors. This will work on 98-02 Camaro, Firebird, Trans am. You may find some use the c6 z06 calipers. That is not the right way to do it. The pad will not contact that rotor properly.
The calipers I bought on ebay were a great deal. They come with the pads in the video. Also and very importantly they came with the pin kit. If you don't get these calipers with the pads and pin kit make sure the pads you buy come with them. They are expensive separate.
See links below for all the parts you need. Please feel free to ask any and all questions. Would love to help as always.
Alex
a.co/eh5IAu7
www.ebay.com/itm/201131082111
www.ebay.com/itm/122049461138
www.ebay.com/itm/171246785757
www.autoanything.com/brakes/61...
www.motorsport-tech.com/ These are the expensive ones.
www.flynbye.com/catalog/i62.html
www.jegs.com/i/ARP/070/100-770...
www.amazon.com/VHT-SP731-Brak...
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Please stop the music. Please.
yeah i stopped watching 😂
I started watching your channel a few months ago but until today I had only seen your new videos. You have matured and mastered the craft of creating professional content in the years since this video was made, but I enjoyed seeing you at this point in your YT career.
Thank you for the wonderful video..... I'm a mechanic but I was honestly kinda nervous doing this on my f body camaro. Now I know everything I need to get and not breaking the bank!
Fun watching your old videos. Seeing how much more relaxed you are now.
Great detail, great camera work with a quality camera. You delivered a lot of information without rambling on. This was very informative, job well done. Please do more videos like this for the f body. Im totally doing this brake upgrade. BTW I want your garage!
Thanks brother. This was one of my first videos so I've been practicing, haha. Let me know if you need any help with the brake install.
Alex
Geezus in other videos turn off the stupid music!
Sweeeeeeeet! I was looking to do this, but wasn't sure what it would take modification-wise... Thanks for eliminating any guesswork, and trial/error sir! CTSV Brembos going on my '72 442 ASAP!!! 😎
Did you get it to work on your 442?
Im so glad I watched this today! My car will be going on jack stands for front suspension overhaul and now it'll get some new brakes in front. The previous owner did the eBay drilled and slotted rotors :(
It's a big improvement over those
Great upgrade and tutorial for all parts needed. Thank you!!!
Your channel is about to take off👍
That looks great! I was surprised at the brake pads you chose though, performance calipers and big rotors with a ceramic pad. The ceramic pad is made for comfort and low noise but you get a lot more braking grip from a performance semi metallic brake pad like ebc yellow stuff or blue stuff if available with the calipers. Thought I'd mention this since people that watching for performance upgrade options might copy your choices and wonder why they don't notice much difference in stopping power.
He specifically mentioned aesthetics. That's what 95+% of ppl have these BBKs for. How's the noise level with aggressive pads? Coz I see a lot of annoying squeaking (not sure I trust the drilled and slotted rotirs either) with ppl spending 2Gs or more. That's unacceptable.
Bravo!!! Totally doing this!!
Super glad I found this channel keep up the good work. I flatter myself that I know a thing or two about most things automotive. The video was filled with nothing but good info. You provide enough information for the reasonable competent enthusiast to do the job. What adds to my comfort level is you give enough explanation of why without getting too involved again reasonable competent. Should have no trouble what so ever.
I performed a similar up grade to my old 3rd gen 92 formula 350 WS6. using C-5 13" with the stock 4th gen Rrs PBR and 17x9 all around with a square tire 275/55 17. used the 1le combo valve the get more rear brake bias. worked well one of the best upgrades I made to the car better even than the 383 /425WHP with beefed 700R4 . Thanks for sharingt his is a great upgrade again throe explain and illustration. Happy new sub. going to binge watch a bit.
The music was overpowering your voice bro. Definitely a helpful video so thumbs up.
Hi I’m using the same calipers but on a different car,my hub is 58mm,now if I used a rotors with larger hub hole like 68mm would it have issues?thanks.
In the middle of doing this swap now. Do you use brake lube anywhere on these pads/ calipers???
Oh, can you use the 2010 brakes the same way or do it have to be the cvs-t brakes?
I know it's been a while but what'd you end up doing for the rear brakes.. ?? : -)
Keep an eye on the pin kit. The ones that come with pads are often a few mm's shorter than the OEM ones. I reuse mine every time because of this. They have the possibility of backing out.
I will definitely check on them .They went in really nice and snug so I don't expect any issues. Thanks for the heads up and thanks for watching.
Alex
No problem. I'm sure they're probably safe 99.999% of the time, but I have seen a forum post about it happening before with a different set of Brembos.
You can really tell the difference looking at the front of the caliper. Mine, with the OEM pin kit, look like this.
www.carid.com/images/brembo/page/bottom/brake-kit.jpg
clutchthepearls Wow! You took the words right out of my mouth , I just did lower dust pads on my e63 amg and the pins they gave me where shorter I didn't like that , the stock ones you can see the cone of the pin stick out past the caliper for visual complete seat , another reason is the stock pins are stainless steel no stick with a magnet , the ones included where zinc coated steel equals possible rust
I wouldnt mind getting them. I put a 4th gen fbody on my 04 grand prix and works very well.
I work for a Professional Race Team IMSA Road Racing, and this reason alone is why safety wire the pins. We had the same issue with pins backing out
Great video I have a 71 Camaro I'm in Chicago I'm going to convert my drums to disc
??? Almost every company makes a disc conversion for this car. If you're referring to rear brakes. The optional rear disc from Firebird (same Generation). The system was the same on the early RWD Seville. The only problem is the Seville is the big 5 (5X5" bolt pattern). So you'll need Firebird rotors. 01 and newer S-10 Blazer 2WD (easier to incorporate parking brake). 3 or 4th gen Camaro 4 TH gen best.
Thanks for the video. I really came here for the part numbers and see how hard it was to do. However, I think you have the rotor on the wrong side. Air is supposed to move from the inside to the outside of the rotor.
Do you know if my aftermarket wheels would work for this upgrade I got Boyd cotton from smoothies 18x7.5 with 0mm offset. Thanks
Great job... Thanks for the info.. Never seen your car around.. Im in Crystal Lake il..
Im also in Chicago. What machine shop did you use to bore out the rotors? Thanks
Can you send me a Link for normal Brake Rotors for the CTS V? TYPE V8 or V6 AND BUILD YEAR ?.Like Ebay ? It doesn ´t musst EBC for me. Lot of questions.Thanks
Will this work on my second generation camaro?
Freaking awesome bro !!!
thank you very much very nice tutorial !!!
tnx again
Great info I too have a 4th gen I’m building, did you do the same to the rears?.... if so do you have a video or list of parts needed for that install?...
I left the rears stock
Good vid man
Nice 2nd gen!
Hi, Can we have the part numbers of the brake pad kit, the link below is no longer take us to the correct part number.
Thank
Off topic question but what rims and tires do you use when you go to the track? Thanks in advance!
Hey Austin. For the track I use 17inch 5 y2k wheels in the rear and the 18 inch version of the same rim up front. Thanks for watching.
Hey man a couple of the links you have listed are no longer available. Do you mind updating the links so I am able to find the parts I need or just label each link with what it is. Thanks
Very informative video! 👍
I have a 2001 camaro ss. I have the c5 z06 18” in the front 9.5 wide will I get away with a 5mm spacer?
Lsjuan Camaro did u?
You should be fine with 5mm
are the brembos on the 5th gens the same as the v brakes?
What wheels are you running to fit the caliper?
This is great. I’m seeing sets of 4 for 2004-2007 calipers but what about the rear? What do I need?
Keep the rears stock just upgraded your rotors and pads. Don't need too much braking power in the rear
Can you also put the ctsv 4 piston rear brakes on the rear for a 4th gen?
Will this work for 2014 camaro rs ? With 20 inch wheels?
Could you get a replacement caliper from say Napa for the CTs v? Should be the same right?
Yeah,buy take offs are cheaper.
DID you grind the ends down on the caliper to clear the rims? Or running a 18"? Drill the bigger holes on the knuckle for the bigger bolt?
He's running a 18, if you go 17s you have to grind the caliper down
Hello, are running the OE cv05 wheel with the upgrade front brakes ?
I have the same rims as you do but I’m putting the 6 piston CTS-V brakes do I need a bigger spacer
Same spacer should work
Awesome write up thanks!
No problem, more to come. Stay tuned!!
Great video
Thanks so much!!
Do you know if I️ could do this too my 97 fbody? I️ can’t imagine it being much different from 97 to 98
You can but you will need the LS1 car front spindle. Then everything else is the same.
Hey Bro. just in the process of restoring a 98 Camaro. Would like to take the same route you did with the ctsv callipers. Question? will they fit on the rear? I want to look uniform.
These will not fit in the rear. I'm sure anything is possible but they are pretty huge for the back. Most just do the fronts and paint the rear to match.
Alex
Ok understood. but tell me, I'm pretty sure there was a video on installing Coevette brakes all around the 98-02 Camaro. Can you verify?
Hmm, not sure of a specific video. I'm sure it's been done. Our cars have had every mod known to man kind tried at least once, haha.
The stainless steel brake line you used was the same you used with the stock Caliper?
Alex can the rear brakes also be used on an LS1 f body?
Woohoo 😀 for my 87 TA.....thanks
what size did you have to drill out the center of the rotor to in order to fit?
Chris I don't remember but I mention it in the video.
Hi there I know this video was posted long ago but do you have the links available, the once you have are not working anymore.
Wat u do for the rear break calipers? Im doing this for the front thanks for ur video it helped out alot .
Leave them stock
Front does most of the braking I think you can just leave rear brakes stock
Hi! Where do I buy your coilovers?
Did you installed a brake proportioning valve?
And tested and set it, as explained in another youtube miata video
and regain front/rear wheel lock as the stock setup the factory dialed.
Should set to front and rear to lock at the same time,
And then dial a little more front lock.
And also regaining oversteer understeer stock setup
Both of these setups can be dangerous is not addressed.
Another youtube brembo instalation ended locking the the front tires
At a minimum pedal presure.
Isn't the lug pattern different? I believe the 2010-2015 is a 5 x 120 and the 4th gens are 5 x 120.65mm. How does this affect the application?
No issue. Only thing I had to do it get the hub bored out to fbody spec at a machine shop
So I have a 93 Z28 and my brakes suck. As you know they are 1" smaller than LS1 rotors and I have a hard time getting it to stop. I know that I would have to upgrade to 98-02 spindles to do the Ctsv swap. Question is are all 98-02 spindles the same such as V6 compared to V8?
Nevermind. Did some research and found out that the V6 and V8 cars had the same brakes.
What rotors did you use cts-v are 6 lugs?
What rims do you have? And what tire size are you running on the 18 inch wheels? Thanks for making these videos btw
Those are c5 wheels
Hey I have a 1997 firebird that I plan on running 245/45R18 wheels what type of offset would be best to avoid spacers ?
+35
Will this fit with esr SR05 wheels? 18x9.5 +35 offset with 265/35R nittos
Should work, I'm running 40 offset with a 5mm spacer and they clear
Is the 4th gen master cylinder a match to these calipers and their given bore size?
Yes I'm running the factory master no issues, if you go bigger and change to bigger in the rear you would likely need a valve to control brake pressure front and rear
Really like the video! Unfortunatly I'm running the 17" Dark Stars and as you said would rather not grind the calipers to death in order for this to work. Any other suggestions on other rotors or anything?
Hmm with the 17s I dont really have any other suggestions. You could just go with the c5 z06 brake upgrade.
ATS-V brakes will fit on the front under 17s but you have to drill the mounting holes to 14mm I believe
I gotta say that by 4 min into the video this isn’t sounding cheap OR easy, given that no TA came w 18” wheels, so right oughta the box you’re telling me I need 4 new 18” wheels and tires on my WS6 that came w the upgrade to 17”!!!! That means I’d have to recalibrate the speedometer then, too!! Then, just for a chaser, you toss in the fact that I have to get the BRAND NEW ROTORS you’re recommending specially machined to fit?!?! NOT CHEAP!!! DEFINITELY NOT EASY!!!! WTF?!?!?! Y’know what? You get a “spam flag” for sucking me in and wasting my time!
@@Psykldoc for 18in wheels, a 275/35/18 tire is same diameter as stock, and does not require speedo recalibration.
For as big of an upgrade as this is over stock, it is cheap and easy.
If you were familiar prices of kits like Baer, Wilwood, etc, this CTSV setup is very cheap and easy
Also, the use of OEM parts is nice for future serviceability.
Having the rotors machined really shouldnt be a big deal, and shouldnt be very expensive.
He’s not telling you that you “need” to do anything. He’s telling an audience what it takes to upgrade the f body brakes to CTS-V brakes. Nobody put a gun to your head and demanded that you upgrade your car. Also, nobody made you click on the video. If you’re too lazy, cheap, and not mechanically inclined, this isn’t the project for you.
Great video and very informational.
What's your review of the brakes? Anything you particularly like or dislike about the setup?
I'll be doing this mod soon. I appreciate a response, been trying to find someone who has done it!
Thanks! It's been one of the best mods I've done to the car. The only issue is some brake noise but I suspect the pads are to blame. The calipers I bought came loaded with pads so I'll probably just swap those for something better.
Gotcha, well I'm excited to do this. Thanks for the reply! I'll be sure to invest in some decent pads the first time around.
1 more thing, you didn't have to drill the bolt holes for the new calipers? Other how-tos that I've read for this say you need to drill out those holes for the bigger bolts that the cts-v calipers use.
@@tampabaybuilds6825 1st gen ctsv are direct bolt on. The newer ctsv and Camaro ss 5th gen 6th gen will also work . You just have to drill out the spindle 1/2 then 9/16 to use the 14mm bolt that bolts the caliper. The ctsv 1st gen uses 12mm like the stock ones
I'm doing the same CTS-V brake swap onto my 97 Z28 with the same 4-Piston Calipers but I'll also swap in "Detroit Speed" SKF X-Tracker wheel hubs. My Camaro needs a 1 inch or 1-1/4 spacer that has it's own studs because both my 18 inch C5 Magnesium Wheels that I use for road racing and my 18 inch C6 wheels for the street were both over a inch inside the fenders. For brake rotors I'm using C6 Z06 Eradispeed rotors from Baer which might have a tiny difference in offset. If so, a few washers in between the spindle and caliper should center the brake caliper and brake pads. Using the C6 Z06 Rotors, you don't have to have the center bore enlarged verses the 5th Gen SS Camaro...
Just wondering, why go with the 5th gen Camaro rotor(14 in) over a ctsv rotor(14.4in)? Cost?
Best fit and won't warp pads
the top caliper cross pins dont have threads, nor safety wire? springs
Nice front calipers and rotors upgrade. And what about the rear calipers and rotors...will the CTS V rear calipers and rotors fit too..
I left mine stock
I think we have the same wheels. 18x9.5" c5 replicas. Mine are +54. Is that what you have? if so, I will get the same spacers as you. Can you help me?
Should be fine with those spacers it depends on spoke design
will this work on 3rd gen F Bodys 87 Camaro
Justin Jones If you upgrade to ls1 front spindles yes. Also run an 18inch wheel or larger
It’s funny that I just added a “big brake kit” to my 3rd gen 89 IROC and by big brake kit I mean the 98-02 “LS1” brakes. And dont get me wrong the LS1 brakes on a 3rd gen is a dramatic improvement over the stock 10” single piston front brakes. But what I like is that now since I have the modified spindles I only need the correct bracket for whatever brakes I want. So quick question, what power level would you recommend to justify upgrading to these brakes?, I’m currently sitting at 330 hp at the tire
Depends if you do sprinted driving on backroads and weight of the car. My car with heads and cam was required. It's a big improvement over factory brakes
@@bhcamaro2002 / ok well I live in NE Pennsylvania so I do some fun driving on the back roads, now the car is an 89 Camaro so I think they were 3200ish lbs and I’ve only removed the steel hood for a fiberglass one (had an accident otherwise I’d have kept the of hood). The car is a T-top but I’ve added weld in s. frame connectors. Like I said I have the “ls1” brakes up front and pbr calipers out back on a BW 9 bolt with 3.27 gearing. I’m in the middle of a power train swap right now with an Lq4 running 862 heads, so 10.5:1 compression, drop in truck cam for the 6.0 so power wise on paper at least I think ill be sitting at around stock ls3 power with everything coming in early because of the truck cam (using a truck cam because this isn’t a race car and I wanted my hp / tq down low). I have the opportunity to get a set of 2012 Camaro SS brakes for practically nothing and from what I’ve read my car will be 600-800 lbs lighter than the 5th gen. So what do you think about only running the front 4 piston brakes and leaving the rear as is or should I swap the rears out as well, oh and should I bother with an adjustable proportioning valve? Thanks for the help n sorry to be long winded
@@limabravo6065 I left my rears stock. The rearend can lock up with too much braking pressure. Sounds like you have a decent build can't go wrong with a 3rd gen man
Will that fit underneath a 16 inch wheel or do I have to upgrade to to the 17 wheel
I don't think there is any way to fit a 16. Some have done certain 17s but grinding was required.
About to do this just wondering if what brake lines you used?
I forget but its linked the in the description of the video along with all the other parts you need.
Alex
@@LegitStreetCars some parts are not loading can you update them please? Im going to doing this conversion next month 👍 thanks buddy..
Will the back calipers fit on my camaro as well, I see the whole set for sale. Would get both if they will
No these will not fit in the rear without heavy modification.
LegitStreetCars not these but the rear ones off the cts-v
I don't know to be honest. I haven't seen anyone online doing that.
Is there any way to do this without using a wheel spacer like correct offset wheels? Real question
Yes it will depend on your wheel design as well. I'm running a concave design wheel and they're 40 offset but it wasn't enough so I had to run a 5mm spacer pushing it out to 35 offset, the wheel clears by a 1-2mm
Hey I have 1998 z28 Camaro and wanna fix it vs 2010 Camaro Brembo brake.now I need brake line to convert it that plac flynbye can not catch up vs them
Does anyone know any other place go to?
Kore3
Can you not just run corvette rotors and not have to machine the hub hole?
teamgmotorsports You would still need to enlarge the hubs and the pads don't fit as nicely
Why didn't you choose the 6-piston calipers from the 2012-2015 cts-v models?
Cost and complexity mainly.
Hey may I ask what kind of brakes r u running in the rear. I have a 2002 camaro. I want to run 18” rims. May I ask what size tires r u running all the way round
I am running 18”s all the way around. 295/35/18 rear and 285/35/18 front.
I'm running the ctsv brakes up front and factory size rear with stoptech rotors. 275/35/18 295/35/18 nt05
Hey man quick question. I’m currently in the process of doing the swap but for 6 pistons off the V2. I didn’t hear u mention anything about drilling out the spindle to 9/16 and where you purchased your new caliper bolts from. Love the videos BTW
Did you get it figured out
@@bhcamaro2002 I did, and I couldn’t do without them anymore lol
Awesome man! It's a big improvement over the crappy factory 2 pistons😂
Hello.Now i have all parts for this Brake Setup together.But i need the steel Brakeline kit.Please help me.How long are this lines and what bolds i need from Start to End(Calipers).I need Street conforms lines for the German Tüv Car check :-(.I found a Factory here and they build it for me.I need only the facts for this lines.Greets
Marc, contact this company in the USA, their website is Kore3.com
That's where most everyone who has done this conversion gets their lines from. Tobin is very knowledgeable and should be able to tell you what you need. Good luck!
Hello.Can i re use the OEM brake stock lines with the oem brake line bolts in the Brembo Caliper?Greets from Germany.
No you have to get longer brake hoses.
LegitStreetCars thank you for the infos.Can you give me the Bold sizes.I mean the Bolds in the new Brembo calipers to mount the new lines.
Thanks for such a great solution for my 2002 Firebird Formula. I’m trying to duplicate everything you listed however I am stuck not being able to find the conversion brake lines. I have called Flynbye multiple times and sent email but no reply. The voicemail has a generic message. Do you know where else I can find the conversion brake lines?
Order from kore3, they're great and very responsive, no issues. Orginally ordered from Flynbye (accidentally got the wrong lines) so I tried calling and emailing them, no response. Ended up selling those to someone else for less than I paid.
Why wouldn't this also work on 93--97? How much different did the front tire kick out , after install.
Hate wheels sticking out front wheel well.🤯😱
Have to change to the 98-02 ls spindles
May I ask which wheels you had on your car when you did this upgrade ?
Those are C5 replica wheels
So have you tested maybe the difference in stopping distances?
Not yet but that will be a video in the future. I can tell you from going to the track a couple weeks ago thats its night and day difference. Stopping from 140mph was awesome.
My car is at shop now getting fronts done but they’re saying the new rear 14” rotors are not fitting the stock calipers. Was there any modification required? I don’t remember you saying there was. Lmk please thank you.
Glenn The Closer Lombardo this is only for the front isn’t it?
EtelorveHc49 hey. Yes, the main focus of the video is for the fronts. But in the end he did say that if u want to do the rears to keep the stock calipers, assuming bc the rear ctsv ones won’t fit, and simply swap the rotors with the new ones. I’m a fucking rookie when it comes to this stuff so there may have been some obvious mods needed that he didn’t need to mention that i just missed. But yeah man the rear stock calipers don’t fit the larger 14” rotors. FYI
will these also work for the 2010- CTS-V 6 PISTON caliper.
Im not totally sure if those calipers will work with the 14inch 5th gen rotors. I know that when the 5th gen guys upgrade to the 6 piston calipers they usually go with a 2 piece rotor off the zl1 or gen 2 cts v
Can you install the rear cts-v calipers as well?
I left mine stock
sounds pretty good
But Is that gonna work on a 1997 Camaro LT1?
What was total cost? Great vid and great car what a monster.
Around 650
so the 5mm spacer will work with the C5 DD wheels?
They should be fine
Thank you
Aggtown1 No problem. Post back up if you have questions.
arre the break lines necessary or can you use stock ones ?
Best just to do them while you're there, helps with pedal and shorter stopping distances. I'm running this on my SS it's on my channel
I can't find the 14inch rotors on eBay . Can you get a part number for me ?
Check the description of the video. I listed part numbers. Thanks for watching and let me know if you need anything else.
LegitStreetCars what kind of front struts you have ? Can those raise/ lower the front end ? Please let me know . As I own a 99 trans am ws6 and would like to raise it 1.5 in to acomódate my new wheels.
@@aag6499
I'm not a big fan of coil overs,but they may fill your need quite nicely.
Do you know if the 5th gen camaro calipers are the same??
And thanks man, a lot! For the vids, replies and everything.
The calipers are basically the same but have different mounting points. Do the ctsv its more of a direct swap
Alex
LegitStreetCars I can see that thanks to you. Only wanted to be sure because from where I am, tons of camaro's are parted out! 1st gen ctsv's are rare, but I should find one. Appreciated man
LegitStreetCars sorry one more question. What about the rear ones?
I didn't do anything with the rear. Some say too much rear brakes on these cars make them break loose on hard braking. There are proportioning valves you can get but a lot of people just do the fronts and they work great. Just put a good pad back there. Check the links in the video. You can buy brake new loaded CTS V calipers for like $350
Alex
LegitStreetCars well, I guess I will stick to your swap. Thanks Alex
Do you know where I can get new pins for my used brembos?
Maybe Ebay
why not just use the ctsv rotors and pads as well?
Will this work on a 96 f body?
Swap to ls spindles and it will
Are you running oe c5 wheels up front? 9.5 or 10.5
9.5 front