Haha well I don’t recommend lowering this way. I ended up taking it off and putting coil overs on. That said, cutting 1 coil off on a Vic it drive the same and looks good. And practically free
It's a pretty slick set up and I understand about using the correct rim diameter because I actually lifted my Crown Victoria to make it into a Mad Max car and I have mud terrain/rock crawler tires front and rear on 15 and trims and I had to grind down the spindle bolt for the ball joint at the bottom to keep the rim from hitting that and then I also had to Clearance the back of the caliper a little bit on the front brakes because the police interceptors have larger brakes in the front so I can see where all these things would come into play if you weren't using at least a 17" to 18" rim.....great video. The easiest Crown victorias to lower are actually 2003 and older cause you can just put air rides all the way around on those and still have a place for shocks.
Hey Vincent that was me that was chatting with you a while back in the comments about the Moogs in the rear possibly being loose or potentially falling out over a big bump. We did end up going with the Moogs and I concur with what you showed in this video. The might wiggle a tiny bit but they won't fall out. We thought about going with those brackets you used on the front but I had heard too much about them rubbing and even though we're running 18s I didn't want to chance it so we did the 1 coil cut. I've run cut springs before on other cars and they SUCKED but on a 2011 P7B they are down right pleasant and the Moogs do great out back. Thanks for the awesome video.
So would you recommend doing this!? I recently purchased 2010 p71 and I absolutely love it just needs that right stance, did is settle down after driving
I want to lower my rear on my 2006 P71. I can get these springs on Amazon for 72 bucks. Says they are for a GM but I am guressing that does not matter> I searched the moog springs you had a link for on the video.
I have a 2009 P71 already on 18's. I need to replace struts/shocks anyway, would it be to my advantage to install a Performance version of a non-P71 strut? Isn't the civilian version a bit lower? I was thinking Moog rear springs with good shocks, non-P71 loaded struts up front and see where I end up height wise. Maybe add the strut lowering if needed... though that may put me TOO LOW up front?
Nice life lesson ! The school of hard knocks is not an easy one !!! I love what you are doing, in fact I would kill to do a project like that on the dime... no corners cut ! Too bad you're not closer to North Jersey ! I would love to see if there is a way to even out the clutch and brake pedals. I wonder what Cleetus McFarland's pedals look like ? Keep up the good work and keep the content coming... THERE IS A MARKET FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING !!!!!!!!!!!
Daniel Weinbaum thanks man! I’ll be swapping this one soon, the clutch pedal I have feels really natural.. the guy who makes them really worked out all the kinks
Awesome video. I’ve been so curious how those brackets work. I’m dying to lower my 2010 MGM, but weary about cutting springs. Few questions: 1. Those adapters DON’T come with any of those bolts and whatnot you used, right? 2. Should I use any loctite on those short bolts? Seems like there’s not a whole lot to grab onto. 3. How’s the alignment after lowering? I know some people say you HAVE to get the camber bolts and such to get a proper alignment after lowering these.
BriansGarage they don’t come with any hardware or installation information.. for the small bolts on the side. Most important is the 3/4-10 tap. You can get bolts anywhere
So was a great video I almost tried this but I think what you said at the end changed my mind gonna do coilovers they go right on right? No home depot washers ??
Dude your freakin awesome. For like $50 I can have the front of my marauder lowered. I dont want the craziness of the ridetech shocks and I dont even need rear springs I just adjust the air suspension sensor. The nice bit is stock they come with 18's so I shouldn't have rub issues!
I thought 17 inches were the stock rims. However I'm not sure if yours is a civi or P.I. My P.I. came with 17 inch stock rims and tires. Thanks for the video I'm looking to lower mine as well. I'm probably gonna do 18 in back 17 im front. Hopefully do exactly what you did to the rear.
Hey, I appreciate this video and your experience. I'm switching my Grand Marquis rear suspension from air to coil and shock (or coilover). Now that you've had some time to try stuff out, what would you recommend to lower it and gain some performance on the track? Looking at going with 17 in wheels. I've seen ADTR RideTech coilovers for the front, but I haven't seen much for the rear.
I just finished doing this on my spec panther time trail car. Rules state that we have to run an OE damper and any OE spring (doesn't have to be off a panther, just any OE spring). I was running cut springs before but they started collapsing. I just installed a new set of OE springs and these drop brackets. They do come really close to the 19x11 wheels I'm running, so something else to consider. Next race is in a couple of weeks so we will be testing out the strength.
I would say the whole job is worthless. I left these on the car for 1 day and orderd coilovers. To answer your question. No, not enough space to run the tap through. Removing the strut is easy enough. The “hub and everything” was not removing. I disconnected the control arm. Fairly simple
What’s your opinion on using the 02-05 explorer rear springs on the front of the 03+ cars? Someone suggested it with these rears and I want to do it but also want someone else to pioneer it and provide a decent opinion first
Seth Andrew I wouldn’t. And honestly I took those plates off my car and put coilovers on. Unfortunately cutting the springs is probably your cheapest option, and apparently it doesn’t ride that bad.
@@neverendingcarproject I meant using the explorer springs to front instead of the plates or cutting springs. I want to say that they're Moog CC501's (the rears you used were CC80551, right?).
4 years late lol but did the drop brackets just ride horribly? I see you went to coils shortly after Looking to go this route but if it’s not daily quality I’m not doing it.
They did not ride any different than stock, it was the 17inch wheels that were the issue. When you turn the bottom of the strut rubs the wheels. With larger wheels they will probably be fine. You aren’t losing any travel so the ride is still good
Was it worth it? I just was on they was beside and was like damn adtr a little pricey. Since you’ve had their kit what’s your outtake on it? I’m on my 6th panther (08 crown vic, 300kmiles ) this will be my first panther that I lower, I don’t know how many inches but I would like to make car low as can but enough space case I drive over speed bump too fast I won’t lose my oil pan I saw a homie pan fall off cuz he hit bump too fast
Can the springs fit on a pre 2002 panther body and if not why I understand the shock setup is different but what happens if you leave the shocks without an additional spacer
There were definitely ways to make this work. I chose to make the video even though I didn’t keep the car like that. I ordered a nice cover system for the car right after this. This was a cheap option that I did not like.
@@neverendingcarproject my 97 pc vic was raised when i got it ran great, loved that car, just bought a 05 p71 last month it runs great as well, my mechanic said the engine looks like new & runs great love that car.
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Hell yeah Vinny!
Looks great! Gotta swing through and hit a pot hole soon.
So lowering for cheap, and 5 spd swap videos? I think you're my new favorite TH-camr
Haha well I don’t recommend lowering this way. I ended up taking it off and putting coil overs on.
That said, cutting 1 coil off on a Vic it drive the same and looks good. And practically free
@@neverendingcarproject😅 lol🎉🎉😂❤❤e
It's a pretty slick set up and I understand about using the correct rim diameter because I actually lifted my Crown Victoria to make it into a Mad Max car and I have mud terrain/rock crawler tires front and rear on 15 and trims and I had to grind down the spindle bolt for the ball joint at the bottom to keep the rim from hitting that and then I also had to Clearance the back of the caliper a little bit on the front brakes because the police interceptors have larger brakes in the front so I can see where all these things would come into play if you weren't using at least a 17" to 18" rim.....great video.
The easiest Crown victorias to lower are actually 2003 and older cause you can just put air rides all the way around on those and still have a place for shocks.
2003 was the new suspension.
Hey Vincent that was me that was chatting with you a while back in the comments about the Moogs in the rear possibly being loose or potentially falling out over a big bump. We did end up going with the Moogs and I concur with what you showed in this video. The might wiggle a tiny bit but they won't fall out. We thought about going with those brackets you used on the front but I had heard too much about them rubbing and even though we're running 18s I didn't want to chance it so we did the 1 coil cut. I've run cut springs before on other cars and they SUCKED but on a 2011 P7B they are down right pleasant and the Moogs do great out back. Thanks for the awesome video.
No no no no No.
@@mediaguy4037 no no what?
@@mediaguy4037 😂😂😂😂😂🤡
FYI for all - Tight coils at the top. Wide coils at the bottom. Those springs were installed upside down.
Doesn't matter for the spring rate. Just put both the same so they look right.
Well, for what it's worth you probably helped out a lot of people with this video so not a total loss.
Looks sharp with the Mustang wheels.
Hey bro love the stance, is there anyway you could package all the bolts and washers needed for purchase, would be awesome, thanx..
Great content and pointers!
So would you recommend doing this!? I recently purchased 2010 p71 and I absolutely love it just needs that right stance, did is settle down after driving
Lowered mine definitely was 2 inches with the moog springs thanks@
I want to lower my rear on my 2006 P71. I can get these springs on Amazon for 72 bucks. Says they are for a GM but I am guressing that does not matter> I searched the moog springs you had a link for on the video.
Thinking about lowering my 2007 Lincoln town car ( no air suspension) will these fit ?
I have a 2009 P71 already on 18's. I need to replace struts/shocks anyway, would it be to my advantage to install a Performance version of a non-P71 strut? Isn't the civilian version a bit lower? I was thinking Moog rear springs with good shocks, non-P71 loaded struts up front and see where I end up height wise. Maybe add the strut lowering if needed... though that may put me TOO LOW up front?
Could you just run a bolt through and weld the bracket on the pull the bolt?
Nice life lesson ! The school of hard knocks is not an easy one !!!
I love what you are doing, in fact I would kill to do a project like that on the dime... no corners cut ! Too bad you're not closer to North Jersey ! I would love to see if there is a way to even out the clutch and brake pedals. I wonder what Cleetus McFarland's pedals look like ?
Keep up the good work and keep the content coming... THERE IS A MARKET FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING !!!!!!!!!!!
Daniel Weinbaum thanks man! I’ll be swapping this one soon, the clutch pedal I have feels really natural.. the guy who makes them really worked out all the kinks
@@neverendingcarproject where can I find those adapters?
Jeremy Ellis link in the Description
@@neverendingcarproject thanks sorry new to this
I Am want to lower my town car 2003 I love the look 👍👍👍👍the way this
Awesome video. I’ve been so curious how those brackets work.
I’m dying to lower my 2010 MGM, but weary about cutting springs.
Few questions:
1. Those adapters DON’T come with any of those bolts and whatnot you used, right?
2. Should I use any loctite on those short bolts? Seems like there’s not a whole lot to grab onto.
3. How’s the alignment after lowering? I know some people say you HAVE to get the camber bolts and such to get a proper alignment after lowering these.
BriansGarage they don’t come with any hardware or installation information.. for the small bolts on the side. Most important is the 3/4-10 tap. You can get bolts anywhere
Do the moogs in the rear ride similar p71 springs, or firmer? Looking to do a handling upgrade to my grand-ma.
Just to confirm - the rear springs are MOOG CC501 showing specified for a Chevelle? Also, for the front, you took a whole coil, not 1/2? Thanks
im just wondering is there any differences with the years?
Part number for the rear springs ?
Really great vid. Not much info out there on lowering these things other than just get expensive coilovers and cut the springs
The springs you listed in the description are for the rear?
So was a great video I almost tried this but I think what you said at the end changed my mind gonna do coilovers they go right on right? No home depot washers ??
Yeah. I didn’t keep it, the car has coilovers now
Looks good man. I used Moog CC80551 spring on the front and Moog CC501 on the rear. Super easy.
OleNasty79 the front spring on the factory strut? Hit me up on IG @poopjoke I want to see how it sits
@@neverendingcarproject tagged you but yes on a factory spec kyb strut
The cc80551 are rear coils they work on the front
Yes, about 1.75-2". You can see pics @olenasty79 on Instagram.
thanks man
They say they don’t fit a 05 Vic is that true ???
Is there anyway I can do this to a 96 thunderbird? Please help??
Dude your freakin awesome. For like $50 I can have the front of my marauder lowered. I dont want the craziness of the ridetech shocks and I dont even need rear springs I just adjust the air suspension sensor. The nice bit is stock they come with 18's so I shouldn't have rub issues!
Edward Myers I ended up going the ridetech route, but this set up was fine
@@neverendingcarproject just curious why did you switch to ridetechs?
Edward Myers they are worth the money. I prefer nice suspension.
@@neverendingcarproject any advice, tips how to lower 86-91 Mercury GM
Sleeper Marquis don’t know anything about them.
I like fine tread and make spacers in lathe the good coil shocks the best but cost
I ended up taking these off and putting ridetech coilovers on the car. Honestly the entire installation was a waste of time.
How do u live in Philly with a lowered vic and not mess anything up on the potholes?
whats wheel size 16 or 17
I thought 17 inches were the stock rims. However I'm not sure if yours is a civi or P.I.
My P.I. came with 17 inch stock rims and tires.
Thanks for the video I'm looking to lower mine as well. I'm probably gonna do 18 in back 17 im front.
Hopefully do exactly what you did to the rear.
MARZOSIRUS it’s s p71. The 17in only came on 05+ models.
So that was strut adaptors up front, moog springs in the rear?
Hey, I appreciate this video and your experience. I'm switching my Grand Marquis rear suspension from air to coil and shock (or coilover). Now that you've had some time to try stuff out, what would you recommend to lower it and gain some performance on the track? Looking at going with 17 in wheels. I've seen ADTR RideTech coilovers for the front, but I haven't seen much for the rear.
I didn’t have this set up long. I used ridetech coilovers 3 weeks later.
Same rear springs. Work great.
@@neverendingcarproject Okay. The same coilover works for both the front and back?
@@pronewbofficial that question didn’t make sense to me.
I used ridetech upfront. And the springs that are in this video in the rear.
@@neverendingcarproject Okay. Thank you for clarifying. I was confused.
I just finished doing this on my spec panther time trail car. Rules state that we have to run an OE damper and any OE spring (doesn't have to be off a panther, just any OE spring). I was running cut springs before but they started collapsing. I just installed a new set of OE springs and these drop brackets. They do come really close to the 19x11 wheels I'm running, so something else to consider. Next race is in a couple of weeks so we will be testing out the strength.
very nicely done :D
p71c1 5 speed swap coming soon man!
@@neverendingcarproject I like that :D
what was wrong with the way they were before you did all the work
Will wheel spacers prevent rubbing on stock 16 in. wheels with lower than stock profile tires?
No idea. I didn’t actually ended using these, I bought coilovers.
Do crown vics have the same stock suspension setup as a town car? I'm trying to lower my tc
Yeah just the TC is sprung softer, the TC may have air shocks and auto leveling
This change the ride at at all? I'm looking to get the front end down on my 07 p74.
QwertySTT not really man, still drove great. This set up didn’t last long. I put ridetech coilovers on it a month later.
Do you know if I Can use the same rear springs on a 05 Marquis
Yes you can
Why did you have to remove the front hub and everything? Could you not just undo the front lower strut bolt. Tap the hole and install the brackets?
I would say the whole job is worthless. I left these on the car for 1 day and orderd coilovers.
To answer your question. No, not enough space to run the tap through. Removing the strut is easy enough. The “hub and everything” was not removing. I disconnected the control arm. Fairly simple
Man the driveway in lansdale are so steep I go to hit a u-turn and nearly scrape every fuckin time. Stock p71 suspension
I’ve got a 96 crown Victoria aero. Think this same process would work to bring it a bit lower?
kim trevino no. This will only work for 03+ your 96 Front suspension looks nothing like this.
Can you put a link for the coilovers for the crown vic???looking to lower mine
Carholic wrenchmonkey I used ridetech coilovers. Only for 03-11. Don’t have a link.
Damn, any advice on lowering a 1998 Crown victoria? The have regular A arms lowers in front?
I don’t know anything about 98 suspension. It’s completely different.
Did you have to file inside the control arm for strut clearance?
No. But I didn’t leave these on long. I bought coilovers
After you do all this and dont like it could you still go back to stock height if you want
Nate Underwood yes. Just remove the plates.
That said, the company no longer makes they.
What’s your opinion on using the 02-05 explorer rear springs on the front of the 03+ cars? Someone suggested it with these rears and I want to do it but also want someone else to pioneer it and provide a decent opinion first
Seth Andrew I wouldn’t. And honestly I took those plates off my car and put coilovers on. Unfortunately cutting the springs is probably your cheapest option, and apparently it doesn’t ride that bad.
@@neverendingcarproject I meant using the explorer springs to front instead of the plates or cutting springs. I want to say that they're Moog CC501's (the rears you used were CC80551, right?).
What about wheel spacers? Would that give you a little clearance?
djturnz I don’t use whee spacers on my cars. Ever. But yes that would help. I just don’t do it.
Is this for all panther platforms or just certain years. What about a 97 crown vic?
03-11 only.
02 and older Is completely different. That is one of the draw backs of the older Vic’s. The front suspension is like a truck.
How do I find the springs do you have a part number
Links are in the description.
will this work on a 2004 grand marquis?
Yes. Buts it’s not worth it. I took those adapter off after one day. Better off cutting a coil off the front.
The rear should be the same
4 years late lol but did the drop brackets just ride horribly? I see you went to coils shortly after Looking to go this route but if it’s not daily quality I’m not doing it.
They did not ride any different than stock, it was the 17inch wheels that were the issue. When you turn the bottom of the strut rubs the wheels.
With larger wheels they will probably be fine. You aren’t losing any travel so the ride is still good
After seeing the relocation “kit” I’m just going to get the ADTR coil overs
That’s what I did 2 days after making this video.
Was it worth it? I just was on they was beside and was like damn adtr a little pricey. Since you’ve had their kit what’s your outtake on it? I’m on my 6th panther (08 crown vic, 300kmiles ) this will be my first panther that I lower, I don’t know how many inches but I would like to make car low as can but enough space case I drive over speed bump too fast I won’t lose my oil pan I saw a homie pan fall off cuz he hit bump too fast
@@pongothecrownvic474 1 inch to 1.5 inches is a good place to put it. They are worth it if you got the money
I've been trying to find coilovers for my 98 crown Vic but no luck. What coilovers did you use?
ADTR.net
I used their kit.
Will this process work all the way up to a 2011?
theoneandonly Mraguilar yes
Can the springs fit on a pre 2002 panther body and if not why I understand the shock setup is different but what happens if you leave the shocks without an additional spacer
199vinny the rears will fit. The front will not.
Thank you for getting back to me is there any way to lower the front of my car then
199vinny coilsprings.com will make you custom lowering springs.
Do you think those rear springs would fit a 07 Marquis?
Yes. It’s the same.
What was the moog spring parts number? Just stock replacements?
Cc501
Hey if I bring my car to your shop how much do you charge to cut a coil ?
I don’t work at this shop anymore. And no Reputable shop will cut a coil off your car.
Are those mounting brackets strong enough to hold up?
They stayed on the car 3 days. I put coilovers on the the car.
This wouldn’t work on a 97 town car?
It wouldn’t. 2003 and up panthers are totally different
Do they fit on the 98 - 02 Vics??? Or just the 03 - 11 Vics
iamjaymcintyre 03+
Dope video how did you do the front?
joker6374 what? Watch the video, that’s was the point of this video
@@neverendingcarproject watched it afterward I found the coilover video thanks
Did you use the rubber bumpstops on top and bottom of the moof springs ? cause I did and my 03 crown Vic sits at basically the same height
The spring isolator, yes, I used it
And I may be blind deaf and dumb but the wheels you have on are stock 16”s?
Scuse me 03 grand marquis gs
Not sure, I’ve used them in 3 crown Vic’s all look the same
17X9 wheels
Where’d you get the brackets?? I got lucky and found 2013 GT500 springs for the rear and I’d prefer not to cut the front if I don’t have to
David Attanasio link in the Description
👍 Shouldn’t have skipped ahead or I would have heard you say links in description lol
The springs u put on the rear what kind of car they come from
Jonny Vargas part number is in the description...
Why not just add a shim to the contact stop that limits front wheel turning angle.
Outside rubbing, roll the lips.
There were definitely ways to make this work. I chose to make the video even though I didn’t keep the car like that.
I ordered a nice cover system for the car right after this. This was a cheap option that I did not like.
Would this work in a 01 crown vic
2003+
Looks Badd Azz!!!
Are you in or near Philadelphia?
Philadelphia
clicked your link... Page not found :(
Timmy something wrong on your end...
Working fine when I click.
Do those springs work on a 2010
Will Stinson yes.
Car looks badass bro.
fucking sick, gonna lower my vic soon. cheap is the only way
steer with the rear...
Do you have a video on how to raise a Crown Vic, I work security for construction sites need to raise it up a little bit.
OBI - HUNG KENOBI no, I know people do it, to fit larger wheels. I’m sure it make the ride pretty rough
@@neverendingcarproject my 97 pc vic was raised when i got it ran great, loved that car, just bought a 05 p71 last month it runs great as well, my mechanic said the engine looks like new & runs great love that car.
OBI - HUNG KENOBI Completely different suspension platform on the 97 and the 05, the front set up on your 05 looks nothing like the 97 you had
@@neverendingcarproject right on thanks for the information.
Super dope do you think if I do this I can still fit 22" rims about how much clearance is there
No. They will rub
So low profile 20"s
Oh and I'm doing a Towncar you know the crown vics evil Twin
Maurice Goodwin no idea man, I don’t run wheels bigger than 17in.
Thanks if it works I'll send you a video
Does this apply to Aero vics?
Jessy Soucy not for the front. 03 +
@@neverendingcarproject Im thinking ill do the rear and get actual lowering springs for the front. its hard to find info, glad you replied man.
Jessy Soucy i think you have a non Progressive spring rate in the front. You can cut one cool off and if will ride fine.
@@neverendingcarproject even easier! Thanks again looking forward to your future uploads man.
I’d like to raise mine an inch or two, but idk crap about suspension stuff
What year crown Victoria
Art Vazquez 03-11 this works
@@neverendingcarproject I have a 2002 I want to drop it a little you think knit would work
Art Vazquez I don’t know. 2002 they use a completely different front suspension.
Probably have to cut the springs. Pretty shitty job to do on that.
@@artvazquez7700 Vincent is correct, they use complete different front suspension. This wont work on an 02
Will all of this work for an 07 too?? Just a 17 yo trying to figure this shit out😂 already ordered the brackets for the front
The brackets need to be moved back 3/4 of an inch to prevent wheel rub.
Michael Vargas the bracket can’t move. It only goes on one way.
Looks lower in back than the front
And I’m going to annoy the shit out of you with questions on the 5spd swap in a few months. You’ve been warned
Ignore me Amazon directed me to actual replacement springs I’m a jackass
Can you still get the front adapter plates? I used the link but it didn't bring them up
Bearded Dad the link works for me.
@@neverendingcarproject odd. It tells me the page isn't available. I even tried to just going to there page but had no luck finding them thank you anyways