I've never understood the fanatic following leatherman products have. I've got 4, and none of them are what I'd call really high quality, given the price. For me, a multitool is just something to use for a quick job. Tighten an expected loose screw, cut down some cardboard etc. No multitool replaces an actual decent set of tools. So I'm glad these clones exist. Leatherman have been taking liberties with their pricing for years. About time decent clones are available.
I buy Leatherman tools when I can afford to because I prefer to support American companies. I also know a few employees there because I live in the area and they're good people that I'm happy to support. Personal reasons aside, Leatherman's 25 year warranty is practically unbeatable, especially in comparison to a random Chinese company. Leatherman's prices are absurd, but they do make decent quality products if you can stomach their price. I'm glad companies like Daicamping are selling more affordable options for those who can't though. Hopefully they will push Leatherman to reduce their prices and design better and more competitive products.
@@brianriddle8389 I understand an American supporting an American business. I'm from England, and that mindset doesn't really exist. We generally just want decent value for money. What (limited) products I've had that are American made have been objectively poor value for money, and we don't have the drive to "support American business". A leatherman Rebar (which I own) is the equivalent of $100 dollars here, and it's poor quality. Every single tool has play, the plier handles have play. I'd never buy another. It's worth maybe, $40 at a push. I understand the point around lifetime warrenty, but when I can buy an arguably better tool for less than a quarter the price?? I've never broken any multitool. And if I did, I'd bet I was misusing it. As I said, I understand Americans supporting American products. But for everyone else, American made products are just not good enough...
@@jameshotten honestly as an American. I buy European knives and firearms. They are made so much better haha american firearms are usually made cheap af or super expensive. And European knives actually have cutting geomentry unlike these sharpened pry bar thick ass american made knives.
@@jameshotten AMEN! This is the first time someone said something realistic. I’ve owned a lot of leatherman models as i was trying to find the holy grail of multitools, and i was being pointed towards this particular brand every single time for its quality. Honestly its zero next to a swisstool quality wise and i was wondering if i was crazy for noticing such a huge difference between the brands. I’m clarifying that im not comparing functions or number of tools between them, im comparing quality ,structure , production line control since both have similar prices. I finally realized it was American fanatism towards american made products and support of local businesses. You have my applause for saying what others didn’t
Leatherman kinda brought this on themselves. A Surge used to be £85 at most, but within 10 years it's gone up to almost £150, way over inflation rates by almost 30%.
Yes. Now to get one comparable to the PST I had in the Army in the 90s, I have to pay roughly $50-$60 USD, rather than the $25-$30 I paid back then. Fine. The problem is, THIS model doesn't have locking blades EITHER! That was okay for a multi-tool in 1991. Locking blades should be something you don't even have to wonder about at this point - not something you hope is included.
I have used DL30 for about two weeks now from medium to heavy workloads and testing various components versus my Surge. In all the DL30 performs just as well as the Surge. The "T" shank saw works great it has held the blades securely with no issues thus far. The knife blades work well enough and used them for light carving and widdle work with no chipping of the edge except perhaps the need for re-sharpening but to be honest the blades do not concern me. The pliers I have used to pull nails, wire tie wrap, chain link fence, and tightening of bolts and nuts. I have found no issues with the plier head deforming or bending and the cutters worked well with no physical damage that I could see. The bit driver is one of the better parts of this tool besides the double sided bits you can use standard bits if you make some modifications as I did. I took a Klein 1/4" bit and cut it at the ball detent and welded it to a 1/4" bit extension I had laying around and added a magnet for extra security and it works like a charm. Now I can use standard 1/4" bits and have a small extension to boot. Though I have used this item for only two weeks longevity still remains to be seen. If you receive a good unit as I have you should not have any problems but if you get a dud your mileage for sure will vary. Thank you for sharing your views on this and is much appreciated👍. Kudos from NYC🗽.
Using standard bits is a big win in my book. I grinded down a bit adapter to fit my Leatherman wave for that exact reason. Proprietary disposable bits space savings aren't worth the headache or extra cost
exactly, i ground down a bbit adapter too and just use that, handy the surge pouch has the elastic side bit, the leatherman included bit is useless and broke first time i used it...i might grind down some other tools to fit, like a ferro rod or awl
If you could actually BUY them, they totally would be! Space saving bits are a fantastic idea for a multitool. The whole point is to have a BUNCH of tools in a compact package, and making compromises on the usability of those tools to shrink them down. Compact bits totally fit that philosophy. If another company would make Leatherman compatible bits, that'd be a reason to buy a Leatherman... being able to actually buy the goddamn bits.
So I bought one a few weeks ago on AliExpress and have to say I'm fine with it. Just to share my first impression with you. Downsides till now are that it does not open very smooth, you need a lot of force to open and close the handles. If you loosen up the screws a bit, the outside tools start to wiggle. The other not so good thing is the sheath. I hate that the bits always get stuck on the outside rubberband pocket. Absolute annoying. I switched over to store the bits (btw a great selection) inside the main pouch next to the tool itself and now store a bit if duct tape and some small zip ties in the front pocket. Much better in my opinion. Last to mention is, that the plastic sheath in which the saw blades are stored broke. The blades poked thru it on the bottom. Tried to fix it by melting it with a lighter and pinching it with the pliers but it happened again. Will have to make my own sheath for the blades. Changes so far are that I switched out one wood saw blade and replaced it with a t shank metal saw blade and I store a bit extension on the side pocket next to the spare wire cutters. And I added a magnet in the bit holder. So far... Cheers from Germany!
I ordered this from AliExpress after watching this video - received it on July 8, 2023 in the mailbox. The reviewer was spot on - I'm very impressed with this tool, was previously looking to add a Surge to my multi-tool collection (which I rotate between ~ 17 multi-tools for EDC, none f them sit in a display cabinet) if I came across a used one for a reasonable cost, but while I have acquired a few Wave's from pawnshops and a Charge from a CraigsList posting for $40, no Surge's as of yet. So for ~$37 incl. tax and with free shipping (it also had a $4 coupon), the value is unbelievable.
As I am Brazilian, I do not have the advantage of receiving my payment in dollars. For me, it is financial madness to pay half of my salary on a multi tool. (yes, a leatherman costs half of what I earn in a month). That's why I'm used to Chinese products like Ganzo pocket knives, Nextool Flagship pro multi tool, Convoy and Sofirn flashlights. I have used these products for several years without any breakages or problems. I'm thinking about purchasing the DL30 to leave in my backpack or in the car and I was impressed with this multi tool.
seriously your voice and your english is a balm for my ears and i'm not even a native speaker, i'm a foreigner. Thank you for sharing with your experience! Keep up the great work!
I feel exactly the same, bro! The pronunciation is very pleasant and understandable! Huge thanks to the author of the channel! I must say that I am also a foreigner - big hello to everyone from Russia! Regarding what was said in the video - in Russia the price of DL30 is now about 3000 rubles (which is less than 35 bucks), and Leatherman Surge is sold on bulletin boards for a price of about 13,000 rubles (150 bucks, the same as in the US). I think that for such a difference in price it can be forgiven a lot, used as a "tool at hand" for quick, simple and urgent work, when you are too lazy to go for a really good tool.
Just ordered the DL30, thanks! The standard bits, and reasonable price, make it a no-brainer. Based on the user comments posted here I expect it will be a great $35 investment, but it will take two months to be delivered. To save $125 on a tool, I can wait a couple of months... :)
Mine has arrived today I cannot say how pleased I am with this.just tested it with an extended t shank saw piece and it works great. Ordered some magnets as suggested to go with ‘normal’ driver bits.
Finally one multitool that has almost what I wish for: Straight blade,serrated blade,big scissors,t-shank adapter and bit adapter.The only thing that imo is missing is the 'looks' . If only it could be more appealing from design point of view,like the nextool flagship pro does...Especially the stonewashed one
I do appreciate the flat leatherman bits because I find them easier to actually have on my person for those unexpected fix this moments. Plus getting the special double ended klein bits is just as expensive as buying the leatherman bits anyway. Actually those klein screw drivers with 27 bits in the handle are so handy I'm tempted to start carrying one of those too!
Update: Had mine for a week, and using your mod with the neodymium magnets I must say it is a really great tool. Going to buy a second one for my sister for her new place, as it has pretty much everything the average Joe needs for basic DIY. Leatherman products are more expensive in the UK (£169.99 on Amazon) so this £37.77 (after delivery fees) clone is 4.5x cheaper! Unsure how long it will last, but at the price it costs, I'd be happy if it lasts even 2 years, because it would take almost a decade of replacing it every 2 years before I hit the cost of a Surge, longer if I would buy the Leatherman bit kit to get the same bits as this can use for a fraction of the price.
I found most of the "kits" on sale to be mostly cheap stuff, even from decent brands. I did make her a kit myself using Wera, Milwakee, PB Swiss & Hoto brand items, this Multitool is just an addition and sort of a quick job thing if she doesn't need the full kit.@@STRIKER520
As an electrician that does strictly remodels this is an absolute essential tool. th-cam.com/users/postUgkx0vyBwjtx9GGOuiqUVT2sRoYqmDoNT_RI Being able to precision cut any material with a light weight tool is priceless.I upgraded to this Dewalt 20v from a competitor's 12v. The Dewalt 20v is just as light as the competitor's 12v. I am extremely pleased with the overall performance and battery life of this tool. As far as oscillators go, they just aren't very ergonomic tools. The dewalt oscillators have an offset handle that do make them somewhat more ergonomic than the competitors' oscillators.
Something has to help keep costs down. I was disappointed a few years ago when I looked for a tool for my nephew's birthday and found a basic models that had roughly the same tool set that was on the PST I had in the Army. This was the Bond, which was kind of the entry-level model in that size that had solid sides. Unfortunately - as in the case of that PST decades earlier - the blades apparently do not lock. The ONE model I thought had kind of a "budget" price among Leatherman's offerings, and they design it as such as to make it difficult to pull the trigger on. We're kind of a Leatherman family so I went ahead and shelled out an extra $30-$40 for the next model I liked that they still make (my current model - the Blast - being out of production), but the experience kind of soured me on the brand a bit.
Received my DL30 from AliExpress today, 10 days from China to The Netherlands, not bad! Arrived in excellent condition, all tools working perfectly, opens very smoothly, everything easily accessible. Of course it remains to be seen if it will stand the test of time. Well at this price (€35) maybe i should have bought a couple?
With regards to the bit adaptor. I filed down a standard long ¼" bit adaptor to fit my skeletool and allow it to be used in the folded position. You could file down the shank of any ¼ extender to use in place of the leatherman bits. I didn't like being stuck with a proprietary bit system. If a bit rounds off, breaks or is lost, you have nothing
Just started collecting multi tools and im liking this clone surge, my favorite part is the over sized scissors because the smaller ones on other multi tools kinda hurt when pressing down. The weight is on a heavy side and grabbing the sides I don’t think will have hot spots but will tell over time. I think $40 is a great price and anything higher for the tool is over priced. I chooses the “surge” over the “wave” mostly for the pliers and over sized scissors. Having all the extra is great with the different style bits. If I do get the “wave” in the future than the extras from the surge will come in handy if needed. Awesome videos. ❤ Love this channel. ❤
Yeah, I think it is called a schrader valve bit. Or a bit for a schrader valve lol. It's most commonly used in Hvac trades. A schrader valve is used to keep air out of a part of the system before opening that system up to atmospheric pressure.
They are called U-8, U-7, U-6, etc bits. A U-bit! Yes they can be used for a shrader valve as I personally use both partially modded for use on inlet and outlet valves o vintage lighter repairs. Fuel valve and refill valve gasket replacement as their aren’t any vintage tools available. The U- bit I used mostly to get my stripped refill valve out on my 70s lighter. Got it out finally!
Ive been using the clones for the wave at work just for some quick jobs in maintenance. Its holding up. Im going to get this variation of the surge and give it run. But for my money i havent had any problems.
I'm ordering this soon. I work on boilers and chillers and have bent a screwdriver on my tool from b/bury that you reviewed. Not the wave copy the bigger one. I like it but for the price I expect it to break in hard use. I will leave feed back with you as I run it through its paces.
The DL30 I received as a vertical play on the main blade that could ultimately cause a security issue with the linerlock failing. Daicamping refused to change it. Instead they "offered" me a 6 dollars refund. They also told me that all their blade has got this problem . I can't believe that because the serrated blade has perfect machining tolerances and has no play. Good luck if you got a flawless one but be warned that Daicamping don't provide a decent customer care.
In addition to the Leatherman bit kit being basically impossible to replace they aren't really better than standard double ended bits for anything other than thickness.
Those two bits are security flathead bits. I found security flathead screws on a Chinese made ‘wall wart’ power supply and cheap hairdryer. It’s a regular flathead screw with a little piece of metal pushed into the slot after assembly to stop customers opening the product. It’s the most common type of security screw after torx in my experience.
Sharpen the surge scissors with the included diamond file. Mine were similarly garbage, until I did that. Now they cut survivor cord better than the clone you showcased.
Okay, having used the DL30 for nearly two weeks I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed. The edge geometry of the blade is better than some high-end Leatherman blades, it came wicked sharp and has been quite useful. The scissors are incredible, they have me leaving my micro folding scissors at home. I have yet to abuse the plier head yet but I was surprised to see it was quite capable in handling finer tasks as well. The bit driver truly is a game changer, I don't think I have to explain why. To improve upon it I'd say I'm not a big fan of the angled end of the bit driver, that being said this bit driver really does shine when you slot an extender in. I want to find a ratcheting bit extender to accompany this kit, also a quarter inch to 4mm adapter to use precision bits. Onto the bit retention, I would say you can get away with 6x1mm cylinder magnets for non ball detent bits just know they can be rather fragile, you can kind of/almost fit a 6x2mm magnet that would have less chances of cracking (amazon, aliexpress and other retails have tons of sizes available.) I'm easily going to get more mileage out of this DL30 than any of my Leathermans, it really comes down to the bit driver accessibility, wicked scissors and the blade. I really need to find a pocket clip for this or a Kydex Sheath, I wonder if a sheath made for the Surge would work for this DL30? Otherwise these clones are a no brainer. It really comes down to price and that bit driver.
Well it has arrived, what can I say ? first impressions are that if it worls as well as it looks and feels then this thing is a winner. The surge can go in the best carry kit and this can go in the use it and abuse it kit. Best of both worlds.
I have several Leatherman's and always found them over-rated. Ordered a DL30 to check it out. I know Leatherman has a killer warranty, but I can buy at least 3 of these, almost 4 for the same price as the Surge and be able to use the bits I already have since I always thought the Leatherman bits were a waste. Time will tell if these will stand up to regular use and I'll switch out this the DL30 for the long term and see what happens. Worst case is it breaks and I go back to using the Leatherman's.
I have recently bought the Daicamping DL30. I have used it on a semi regular basis as a hobbyists to fix vehicles. So far, it has held up quite well, the fit and finish is not as good, but at the price point (I bought mine for $55 Aus + $5 shipping). It has held up very well, and the best part is, if I do lose it or damage it, I won't be out of pocket too much and can buy another. I already destroyed the Nexttool Flagship Pro (wrecked the scissors), and jusy ordered another one.
The more videos I watch like this one, the more happy I am an lucky that I got the ratchet driver. But I do honestly hope that leatherman is working something BIG. Not just on the Arc but to restock on item like this but with better material for the bits. It would be pretty cool if they turned the bits into titanium.
To be honest, if I was them the first thing I'd do is probably get rid of at least half of the models and focus on one or two really good ones for each "size" (for lack of a better term).
Hello, Dominic...the HD in my area is phasing out Klein tools...they are replacing them with Milwaukee tools...not sure why... I was lucky to get a 11- in - 1, no dice on the 27....I saw a Milwaukee 27, but it did not appear to have ball detents or to give protection like the Kleins....
There is no shipping to my country, I hope it will open as soon as possible. Both Leatherman and Victorinox are much more expensive than they should be in my opinion. Finding, producing and processing steel is no longer as difficult as it used to be.
So I got the DL30 and IT IS AMAZING. The feel of the DL 30 is very PREMIUM. I have used it quite a lot and it performs flawlessly. It is beautiful in every aspect and it has become my multitool of choice and only $40
The tolerances are ever so slightly looser on the black oxide versions of Leatherman's to allow for the coating not to interfere with the operation/opening of the tools. From what i have found the stainless Surges have 0 Blade play in any direction and just tend to be a little smoother with pilers and scissors once broken in to the point you can flick the pliers open with one hand similarly to a butterfly knife.
I’m a surge user and work in construction, I would be more willing to use a cheaper multi tool for the jobs where I wouldn’t want the risk of damaging the more expensive surge. I’m definitely going to get one of these multi tools for all the jobs that are too risky for the surge
Just got mine a day ago. Things great. Feels just as good as my flissa wave. I feel the biggest let down is not having a #2 straight edge combo bit which is the first thing I rectified. The second thing I've done is grind the knife tip down to make it more "stabby" since I didn't like the weird rounded tip. Next step is to see if I can add a second t shank holder for both saw and file since I just don't like serrated blades at all. I like my knives sharp. Not going to screw with trying to sharpen that crap.
When I had my first multitool it was 20 bucks. I practically attempted destruction on it without a second thought. Dropped it in acid, oh well. When it rusted the next day I put it in phosophic acid then dried it and dunked it in a cup of air tool oil i had lying around. Still works a year later. I decided a few months back that a multitool was indeed something I needed in my life so I bought a Leatherman Signal. Lol weeks after when I was standing over a sewage line I went to grab my Signal to use the pliers to pry the cam lock off... I stopped.. looked at my 120 dollar tool then at this sewage line. Looksd up to where the nearest tools were which were about a 1/2 mile away then looked at the sewage line again... I started walking back for some channel locks. I wasnt going to have dooky all over my 120 dollar tool. Point being is that even cheap tools have a place. Probably going to be ordering this soon as it will be perfect to me as a pouch or locker tool to bring out and carry when I dont want my nice tools getting destroyed or when I know I am going to be doing crappy jobs that day.
Does your car or vehicle smell real bad? How do you handle clean up after a sewage or shitty job? How do you make sure you got absolutely everything off before getting in your car and going back home? 😅 serious questions btw lol
I believe Leatherman would do itself a world of good by abandoning about half of its offerings and instead focused on one or two really good offerings in the various sizes, at various price points. You can have a $40 entry at this size (with locking blades, since that's still no longer a given with current models) with roughly the tool set the PST had, while still having $80 and $100 entries. Some of the tools are almost to the point where they're a waste unless you work in a few very specialized fields. I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze in these cases.
Mine has finally arrived. Overall very pleased. Quality control appears very good considering the price and especially when the Leatherman Crunch I purchased a couple of months back (for a lot more money) has very poor QC. I recently obtained a very early, practically NIB Crunch from 1999 and its like night and day (all Leathermans I have from that era seem to have a much higher QC) It is incredibly unlikely I will purchase any new Leatherman any time soon. As for the bits, they basically need to ditch their bit system at this point, its expensive and sub-optimal. Really at this point its only the reliability question that needs answering.....
A few downsides I've noticed with this tool. 1) the saw blades that come with it are too long to remain in the tool and wont close which is a bummer 2) no knurling on the serrated blade opening handle so you can't use tactile senses to tell which blade you're opening 3) on other leathermans, when you open the pliers a small pin extends into the knife holes to prevent erroneous opening of the blades. This is not present on this tool.
Have you by any chance found a 1/4 rachet you could use with these fake Multitools? I bought a couple of Bibury MT after seeing your video. Two worked out great, two that I have bought in past 14 days had some QC issues. I'll try to acquire DL30 to see if it's any better.
Also the Diablo brand jigsaw blades fit perfectly....they are thick. Ive also added a magnet to the 1/4" driver so i can just use single sided bits which are available anywhere.
I have had or handled several clones and cheaper multitools over the years and not one of them compares to a Leatherman, Victorinox, SOG, or even a Gerber. I can see using a clone as an extra in a tacklebox or car but I'm always sticking with a known quality tool for edc.
That's true and that's what these clones are for, a tackle box, tool box, truck, boat, or office but imo mainly for people that can't afford or don't won't to spend Leatherman money, especially since they tripled everything and keep customers in the dark about anything new about their products, people are looking elsewhere and tired of Leatherman, so this is a great option, respectfully...
@@ex7229 yep my next tool keychain is superior to the letterman and gerber versions I had. I also have several cheap knock off forgot the name and they are great.
Just an fyi, those cheap pouches that basically come with any multitool you buy from amazon or aliexpress will always disintegrate when exposed to any kind of heat. Not just direct sunlight, but summertime heat while being left in a glove box. One good summer of heat damage and the pouches just shred to the touch and arent usable.
I have the wave+ and the surge. Extender, ratchet extender, 41 piece bit kit. You know what I end up using in the house for minor things or for small spaces? Gerber dime. The package opener is outstanding. I also have a SOG powerpint I like as well. I use a dedicated folder for opening boxes. I keep an old Gerber full size mt in my car's console.
Thank you for this review. I was curious about the Surge, but, at its price, not enough to buy it. DL30 for under $40 seemed like a great alternative. At worst, it's a backup. I got mine today. QC looks good on it. The bits and extra cutters are icing on the cake.
That is a super interesting offering from Daicamping. I have the Surge, the Wave+ and a Daicamping clone of the Wave+. One of the things that really frustrates me about the Leatherman, is that they don't take standard bits. Although recently bought a third party bit extender which works perfectly with my Wera bits. Probably won't end up getting the DL30, unless I finish (need to start) the modification on the Daicamping one I have. If I do, I will let you know my thoughts. I'd definitely be curious to Ben's take mind, given his love for the Surge (his fault I wound up buying one).
Ty for the review. Wondering if the DL30 and other clones can use Leatherman parts? I would like to swap one of the screwdrivers spots for the Leatherman eyeglass micro screwdriver.
From the perspective of a multitool enjoyer, not living in the US, Leatherman, as a company, seems to be like apple: Lots of proprietary (and often overpriced*) things designed to draw you into the ecosystem and by the time you hear the call of other brands you've already spent a small fortune to have your setup approximately how you'd like it. *On the US leatherman site a surge is approx $150 USD. On the Australian version of the site it's priced at $340 AUD (226.93 USD).
Man i have had the daicamping and I have used it around the house on a multitude of tasks, out in the yard, fixing things here and there and up to now, not a single problem. The blade cut great the screw sriver is amazing, i have sooo many bits that use with it that i dont have with the surge. Honestly i have not used the surge in a long time. I have given these as presents to friends and so far they love it. So this is a serious contender especially for folks that need a pretty decent multi tool but do not have the money to spend on a surge
Reckon DL30 will give Leatherman a great run being so cost effective. The more you give Leatrherman a hard time, sooner or later they'll give in and listen but they do have a standard to uphold. The DL30 will make a great tool for apprentices & weekend warriors. We predict that in a couple of years more folks will use more generics & low cost but functional multitool. Cheers mate.
@@edwardfletcher7790Yeah, they should make future tools to fit standard bits or offer a bit extender for standard bits....& perhaps phase out the flat bits....another possibility is to let the customer replace individual bits, & complete kit orders would be the exception & not the rule....
Those bits were always the Achilles heel of the design. With the multitude of different driver bits at every hardware store, it never made practical sense for proprietary bits that cost many times more
One advantage (and only advantage in my opinion) with Leatherman slim bits is that they pack really flat making it possible to carry more bits with the tool. I 3d printed a bit holder that fits inside Waves pouch with space for modified extension that allows Wave to use standard bits. The holder holds 9 single sided bits plus one can be installed on extension making it fit 10 in total. It takes roughly same amount of space as two sleeves of Leatherman flat bits. One sleeve holds 10 bits and because they are double sided you practically get 40 different bits. Amazing capability for such small package.
I would by the DL30 before I would spend $150 to replace my surge if I lost it. Leatherman should've came out with this a long time ago. It must be accurate what you said in one of your previous videos. "Leatherman doesn't like money".
that's why I bought the Leatherman ratchet extender for my surge , I don't care that it cost 35 dollars . btw I carry my surge on my belt every day and I need to be sure that I can rely on the tools that I'm using. But I can see this being a good backup.
Even with the expensive Leatherman 1/4" bit adapter, still had to worry about the bit getting stuck and had to pull them out with pliers. I don't own any other Leatherman bits either. Since I also own a Flissa clone, the 6x1mm magnet suggestion is genius. I put one in the clone bit holder and 7 or 8 in the Leatherman bit adapter. Since the bit would pull up the stack of magnets, I cut a 6mm circle out of a PostIt and put over the top magnet. Just enough barrier to prevent the stack from lifting up but still plenty of strength to hold the bit in place. Now I can use the dozens of bits l already own. Problem Solved!
I've had my Surge for just over 12 years now, carried it daily and wanted to buy a spare. When I looked online, I noticed it had really "SURGED" in price almost 3x !!! So yes, I just got me one of those clones under the "Bibury" name, model "BLT-PRO". It feels cheaper overall than the real McCoy, but at 1/4 the Surge's price I'll take it.
(question at the end) I'm definitely interested in the DL30. i was initially considering the Wave clone variant you covered, but I'm not a fan of the pinching problem and i wasn't quite satisfied with the tools. then i found out about the Surge and Garage 5, which got me excited. but I'm broke and $100-200 is a bit much to ask my also broke family and friends for as a gift. seeing a clone of 1 of the tools i was interested in, not just of decent looking quality but also including a bit set that's STANDARD bit size... I'm definitely interested. but it's still something I'd want to modify, such as adding a replaceable scalpel and grinding in a chisel. so I'm wondering if this clone is still able to interchange with parts made for the Surge (such as what ZapWizard does) as for the bits in the sheath problem... i don't think it'll be an issue. i keep my bits in a mini Altoids, which might fit without catching. and if it doesn't fit, i can just keep it somewhere else and put some matches or another such thing in that slot. on an unrelated note, have you considered doing mods for the Suspension NXT? i have 1, but i only use about half the tools and i haven't seen any mods for it. i want to keep the pliers (obviously), can opener, awl, and file, but everything else can be sacrificed as far as I'm concerned. i usually already have a blade on me and I'm not a fan of half serrated blades, so I'd much rather have a blade i can take out and/or a saw that i can also (preferably) take out. I'm open to other tools as well, if you're willing to do a video on it
Thank you for the video! It’s looks like an amazing tool for the money and also the flexibility it provides. Leatherman really needs to think about where their product road is heading. Moving forward …. Proprietary bits are out! Bits are a commodity! Bits needs to be cheap, plentiful and interchangeable with other manufacturer’s tools. The quality of the clones are getting better and better! I’m looking forward to hearing about the reliability of this tool!
If they made it relatively simple and hassle-free to order replacement bits the space-saving of the flat bits would be fantastic. As it stands I'm hesitant to use them for anything but the most delicate of jobs for fear of damaging something I can't easily replace. I don't want to buy an entire set because one bit got chipped.
this is 1 of the major reasons I'm hesitant to get a Leatherman that uses bits. i want something i can actually use and i can't afford to replace proprietary bits. bit size is 1 of the first things i look at when I'm looking at a multitool with a bit holder, even before looking at the other tools. if the bit converter came stock with any multitool that has a bit holder, I'd be much more willing to get 1. I'd have to save up a while, but i would if it was more worth it.
Leatherman is on its way out due to pricing and the cash cow they're making of the proprietary bits. I've added a thumbstud and a pocket clip to my SK05 ..as well as the soft material jigsaw blade which acts as a disposable knife blade.
Imagine having a business with a product(s) for over 20 years and you decide to not update it, not give customers options to improve it, continuing to use the hated flat soft bits. LM has teams of engineers, master machinists and more than a few managers. What exactly are they doing to keep the business competitive? Its certainly not innovating or competing with prices. Sad.
They have basically spent the last 15 years creating niche products rather than innovating or making serious updates to the products people actually care about. Oh and doubling the price of everything
They have become complacent & not innovative....they have a customer base that is loyal, deep & experienced, among which are Ben(TTC) & Dominic & they refuse to listen....btw, "Garage" is not the answer...perhaps being "whomped & stomped" by the competition might bring LM to their senses....
Had anyone taken the clone apart? If the locking mechanism is the same it might be worth it, just to take the bit driver out of the clone and put it in the Surge.
Hi Dom! there is a new Bibury version of the DL30, i think that could be the same mt with a different brand. Do you recommend it as a trusty edc tool? and mostly, do you think i could use the T-Shank adapter to mount it on my MUT, instead of the saw or the bronze scraper? Thanks!
The Surge hasn't been around for 2 decades. I bought two on preorder. That way probably 2005 or 2006. I graduated high school in 2003 and it was after I was already out working.
Do you know if all the Swiss tech/Dai multi tools have the same pivots? I wanna buy too of them and mix between the outside tools, maybe adding a corkscrew somehow. Love your channel and how you always showing new interesting tool
I hate the leatherman bits. Looks like a very nice clone: great scissors, nice T-blade, universal full bit/driver capability, great $$$. Just what I need, another multitool, 😂😉 Add a mini ratchet/socket set, you got it all.
Just got my Surge and right out of the box the scissors are identical to yours. They just can't do paracord. Mainly I use then for making an opening slit on annoying packaging.. like sauce packets that have no opening slit. The tool is definitely high quality, I couldn't really find any other issues. Came razor sharp.. just a great tool.. but worth 150 dollars?? I think no. If it outlasts me (and it better for the price) then I'll retract that statement.. but I just don't think the value is really there personally.
I've been close to buying a surge for years and given Leatherman's attitude and actions over the years I held off. I considered other brands like SOG or Gerber and came close a couple of times. Considering that those other brands are only assembled in the US, the Arc's price gouging and mess ups, and the price points and certain design improvements of these clones, I have to throw them into consideration. 4:12 Is the tool to change the cutter a proprietary bit or a standard one? Will this clone accept leatherman cutters? Thanks for all the great videos. They've been helping me make up my mind. 7:24 OK, if the rest of the tool is on point I'm sold. Scissors are really important to me on a multitool. And not because I just want a really heavy and expensive pair of scissors. A good pair of scissors, once you get used to them, are better wire strippers for small stranded wire than the strippers made into the can opener. To see those scissors out perform the name brand is fantastic! 10:23 Could a Leatherman T shank holder be put on the clone? 16:58 I just checked. You can get the regular extender at normal price from both leatherman and amazon. The ratchet extender is out of stock on leatherman's site and isn't even listed on amazon anymore. Another win for the clone.
Regarding the elastic pouch on the front of the carrier, "Not the best design, because the bits kinda catch as you go in." Perhaps that's good design? Won't the bits also catch to prevent them from falling out accidentally? I have the original Leatherman that came out in the early 80s. I recognized at the time I bought it that it wasn't the best tool. It was made with too many compromises to be really effective. But it folded like a Swiss Army Knife, had pliers, and I could wear it on my belt, which is what I wanted it for. I bought it from an Army PX in 1983/84 and I have carried it, and used it, ever since. I know there are better models out there, but I have never been at a loss while carrying my Leatherman and SAK together.
I'm in total agreement with patents expiring after 25 years. We wouldn't have access to cheaper generic medications if patents never expired. Innovation should always be moving forward. Leatherman had an entire new lineup with all new features, new innovation & mechanics with the Free series just before the legacy line expired. They know the game.
Finally got mine in the mail. Loving it. Thinking of switching out the serrated blade for another tool, but goddamn I love how robust it is. Might be my endgame unless the GOAT provides something more.
I've never understood the fanatic following leatherman products have. I've got 4, and none of them are what I'd call really high quality, given the price. For me, a multitool is just something to use for a quick job. Tighten an expected loose screw, cut down some cardboard etc. No multitool replaces an actual decent set of tools. So I'm glad these clones exist. Leatherman have been taking liberties with their pricing for years. About time decent clones are available.
I buy Leatherman tools when I can afford to because I prefer to support American companies. I also know a few employees there because I live in the area and they're good people that I'm happy to support.
Personal reasons aside, Leatherman's 25 year warranty is practically unbeatable, especially in comparison to a random Chinese company.
Leatherman's prices are absurd, but they do make decent quality products if you can stomach their price. I'm glad companies like Daicamping are selling more affordable options for those who can't though. Hopefully they will push Leatherman to reduce their prices and design better and more competitive products.
Yeah! Go China!
@@brianriddle8389 I understand an American supporting an American business. I'm from England, and that mindset doesn't really exist. We generally just want decent value for money. What (limited) products I've had that are American made have been objectively poor value for money, and we don't have the drive to "support American business".
A leatherman Rebar (which I own) is the equivalent of $100 dollars here, and it's poor quality. Every single tool has play, the plier handles have play. I'd never buy another. It's worth maybe, $40 at a push.
I understand the point around lifetime warrenty, but when I can buy an arguably better tool for less than a quarter the price?? I've never broken any multitool. And if I did, I'd bet I was misusing it.
As I said, I understand Americans supporting American products. But for everyone else, American made products are just not good enough...
@@jameshotten honestly as an American. I buy European knives and firearms. They are made so much better haha american firearms are usually made cheap af or super expensive. And European knives actually have cutting geomentry unlike these sharpened pry bar thick ass american made knives.
@@jameshotten AMEN! This is the first time someone said something realistic. I’ve owned a lot of leatherman models as i was trying to find the holy grail of multitools, and i was being pointed towards this particular brand every single time for its quality. Honestly its zero next to a swisstool quality wise and i was wondering if i was crazy for noticing such a huge difference between the brands. I’m clarifying that im not comparing functions or number of tools between them, im comparing quality ,structure , production line control since both have similar prices. I finally realized it was American fanatism towards american made products and support of local businesses. You have my applause for saying what others didn’t
Leatherman kinda brought this on themselves. A Surge used to be £85 at most, but within 10 years it's gone up to almost £150, way over inflation rates by almost 30%.
Agreed in Europe prices are just absurd. I have leatherman tools, Victorinox and Chinese. The only brand I won't be buying in the future is leatherman
Yes. Now to get one comparable to the PST I had in the Army in the 90s, I have to pay roughly $50-$60 USD, rather than the $25-$30 I paid back then. Fine. The problem is, THIS model doesn't have locking blades EITHER!
That was okay for a multi-tool in 1991. Locking blades should be something you don't even have to wonder about at this point - not something you hope is included.
almost 190 euros here..
170 USD here in Korea😅
I beat you :) @@mincouple
I have used DL30 for about two weeks now from medium to heavy workloads and testing various components versus my Surge. In all the DL30 performs just as well as the Surge. The "T" shank saw works great it has held the blades securely with no issues thus far. The knife blades work well enough and used them for light carving and widdle work with no chipping of the edge except perhaps the need for re-sharpening but to be honest the blades do not concern me. The pliers I have used to pull nails, wire tie wrap, chain link fence, and tightening of bolts and nuts. I have found no issues with the plier head deforming or bending and the cutters worked well with no physical damage that I could see. The bit driver is one of the better parts of this tool besides the double sided bits you can use standard bits if you make some modifications as I did. I took a Klein 1/4" bit and cut it at the ball detent and welded it to a 1/4" bit extension I had laying around and added a magnet for extra security and it works like a charm. Now I can use standard 1/4" bits and have a small extension to boot. Though I have used this item for only two weeks longevity still remains to be seen. If you receive a good unit as I have you should not have any problems but if you get a dud your mileage for sure will vary. Thank you for sharing your views on this and is much appreciated👍. Kudos from NYC🗽.
Really good info!
please what is the length of the blade
@@johanesgo8096 3" inch cutting surface of the straight blade 3.5" inch to pivot point. Hope that helps.
hello can I ask if you still own a DL30? And if yes then how is it doing?
@@TheInchii I received it 10 days ago and I am very satisfied
Using standard bits is a big win in my book. I grinded down a bit adapter to fit my Leatherman wave for that exact reason. Proprietary disposable bits space savings aren't worth the headache or extra cost
Proprietary bits are purely designed to extort extra money from the customer 😩
exactly, i ground down a bbit adapter too and just use that, handy the surge pouch has the elastic side bit, the leatherman included bit is useless and broke first time i used it...i might grind down some other tools to fit, like a ferro rod or awl
If you could actually BUY them, they totally would be! Space saving bits are a fantastic idea for a multitool. The whole point is to have a BUNCH of tools in a compact package, and making compromises on the usability of those tools to shrink them down. Compact bits totally fit that philosophy.
If another company would make Leatherman compatible bits, that'd be a reason to buy a Leatherman... being able to actually buy the goddamn bits.
@@calvinreeder7580 The whole reason Leatherman designed them is to force you to buy the over priced accessories from them....
So I bought one a few weeks ago on AliExpress and have to say I'm fine with it.
Just to share my first impression with you.
Downsides till now are that it does not open very smooth, you need a lot of force to open and close the handles. If you loosen up the screws a bit, the outside tools start to wiggle.
The other not so good thing is the sheath. I hate that the bits always get stuck on the outside rubberband pocket. Absolute annoying. I switched over to store the bits (btw a great selection) inside the main pouch next to the tool itself and now store a bit if duct tape and some small zip ties in the front pocket. Much better in my opinion. Last to mention is, that the plastic sheath in which the saw blades are stored broke. The blades poked thru it on the bottom. Tried to fix it by melting it with a lighter and pinching it with the pliers but it happened again. Will have to make my own sheath for the blades.
Changes so far are that I switched out one wood saw blade and replaced it with a t shank metal saw blade and I store a bit extension on the side pocket next to the spare wire cutters. And I added a magnet in the bit holder.
So far...
Cheers from Germany!
Nice info! Sehr gut!😊
I ordered this from AliExpress after watching this video - received it on July 8, 2023 in the mailbox. The reviewer was spot on - I'm very impressed with this tool, was previously looking to add a Surge to my multi-tool collection (which I rotate between ~ 17 multi-tools for EDC, none f them sit in a display cabinet) if I came across a used one for a reasonable cost, but while I have acquired a few Wave's from pawnshops and a Charge from a CraigsList posting for $40, no Surge's as of yet. So for ~$37 incl. tax and with free shipping (it also had a $4 coupon), the value is unbelievable.
As I am Brazilian, I do not have the advantage of receiving my payment in dollars. For me, it is financial madness to pay half of my salary on a multi tool. (yes, a leatherman costs half of what I earn in a month). That's why I'm used to Chinese products like Ganzo pocket knives, Nextool Flagship pro multi tool, Convoy and Sofirn flashlights. I have used these products for several years without any breakages or problems. I'm thinking about purchasing the DL30 to leave in my backpack or in the car and I was impressed with this multi tool.
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seriously your voice and your english is a balm for my ears and i'm not even a native speaker, i'm a foreigner. Thank you for sharing with your experience! Keep up the great work!
wow! thanks for the compliment.
I feel exactly the same, bro! The pronunciation is very pleasant and understandable! Huge thanks to the author of the channel! I must say that I am also a foreigner - big hello to everyone from Russia! Regarding what was said in the video - in Russia the price of DL30 is now about 3000 rubles (which is less than 35 bucks), and Leatherman Surge is sold on bulletin boards for a price of about 13,000 rubles (150 bucks, the same as in the US). I think that for such a difference in price it can be forgiven a lot, used as a "tool at hand" for quick, simple and urgent work, when you are too lazy to go for a really good tool.
Just ordered the DL30, thanks! The standard bits, and reasonable price, make it a no-brainer. Based on the user comments posted here I expect it will be a great $35 investment, but it will take two months to be delivered. To save $125 on a tool, I can wait a couple of months... :)
Good, keep a fire underneath Leatherman's @ss, they slouchin'.
I totally agree with this comment! Leatherman has been super annoying with their malarkey!
Mine has arrived today I cannot say how pleased I am with this.just tested it with an extended t shank saw piece and it works great. Ordered some magnets as suggested to go with ‘normal’ driver bits.
Finally one multitool that has almost what I wish for: Straight blade,serrated blade,big scissors,t-shank adapter and bit adapter.The only thing that imo is missing is the 'looks' . If only it could be more appealing from design point of view,like the nextool flagship pro does...Especially the stonewashed one
Fussy design is always the downfall of Chinese companies.
They just can't do simple/elegant....
i just started using the bibury version, looks identical except the logo. So far extremely happy!
I do appreciate the flat leatherman bits because I find them easier to actually have on my person for those unexpected fix this moments. Plus getting the special double ended klein bits is just as expensive as buying the leatherman bits anyway. Actually those klein screw drivers with 27 bits in the handle are so handy I'm tempted to start carrying one of those too!
Update:
Had mine for a week, and using your mod with the neodymium magnets I must say it is a really great tool.
Going to buy a second one for my sister for her new place, as it has pretty much everything the average Joe needs for basic DIY.
Leatherman products are more expensive in the UK (£169.99 on Amazon) so this £37.77 (after delivery fees) clone is 4.5x cheaper!
Unsure how long it will last, but at the price it costs, I'd be happy if it lasts even 2 years, because it would take almost a decade of replacing it every 2 years before I hit the cost of a Surge, longer if I would buy the Leatherman bit kit to get the same bits as this can use for a fraction of the price.
You should get her a basic home repair kit instead or both. They sell ones with most stuff you need.
I found most of the "kits" on sale to be mostly cheap stuff, even from decent brands.
I did make her a kit myself using Wera, Milwakee, PB Swiss & Hoto brand items, this Multitool is just an addition and sort of a quick job thing if she doesn't need the full kit.@@STRIKER520
As an electrician that does strictly remodels this is an absolute essential tool. th-cam.com/users/postUgkx0vyBwjtx9GGOuiqUVT2sRoYqmDoNT_RI Being able to precision cut any material with a light weight tool is priceless.I upgraded to this Dewalt 20v from a competitor's 12v. The Dewalt 20v is just as light as the competitor's 12v. I am extremely pleased with the overall performance and battery life of this tool. As far as oscillators go, they just aren't very ergonomic tools. The dewalt oscillators have an offset handle that do make them somewhat more ergonomic than the competitors' oscillators.
Something has to help keep costs down. I was disappointed a few years ago when I looked for a tool for my nephew's birthday and found a basic models that had roughly the same tool set that was on the PST I had in the Army. This was the Bond, which was kind of the entry-level model in that size that had solid sides. Unfortunately - as in the case of that PST decades earlier - the blades apparently do not lock. The ONE model I thought had kind of a "budget" price among Leatherman's offerings, and they design it as such as to make it difficult to pull the trigger on.
We're kind of a Leatherman family so I went ahead and shelled out an extra $30-$40 for the next model I liked that they still make (my current model - the Blast - being out of production), but the experience kind of soured me on the brand a bit.
Received my DL30 from AliExpress today, 10 days from China to The Netherlands, not bad! Arrived in excellent condition, all tools working perfectly, opens very smoothly, everything easily accessible. Of course it remains to be seen if it will stand the test of time. Well at this price (€35) maybe i should have bought a couple?
please what is the length of the blade
funny I noticed the same thing on a black anodized Surge vs the regular one, scissors work much better on the regular one
With regards to the bit adaptor. I filed down a standard long ¼" bit adaptor to fit my skeletool and allow it to be used in the folded position. You could file down the shank of any ¼ extender to use in place of the leatherman bits. I didn't like being stuck with a proprietary bit system. If a bit rounds off, breaks or is lost, you have nothing
Just started collecting multi tools and im liking this clone surge, my favorite part is the over sized scissors because the smaller ones on other multi tools kinda hurt when pressing down.
The weight is on a heavy side and grabbing the sides I don’t think will have hot spots but will tell over time.
I think $40 is a great price and anything higher for the tool is over priced.
I chooses the “surge” over the “wave” mostly for the pliers and over sized scissors. Having all the extra is great with the different style bits. If I do get the “wave” in the future than the extras from the surge will come in handy if needed.
Awesome videos. ❤
Love this channel. ❤
Those two prong security bits are typically used for locking caps used on 1/4 service ports on copper refrigerant and plimbing pipe applications.
They're also used in electronics by customer hostile companies.
Thanks for the info, guys. Was wondering.
Yeah, I think it is called a schrader valve bit. Or a bit for a schrader valve lol. It's most commonly used in Hvac trades. A schrader valve is used to keep air out of a part of the system before opening that system up to atmospheric pressure.
I've read them to be called spanner bits
They are called U-8, U-7, U-6, etc bits. A U-bit! Yes they can be used for a shrader valve as I personally use both partially modded for use on inlet and outlet valves o vintage lighter repairs. Fuel valve and refill valve gasket replacement as their aren’t any vintage tools available. The U- bit I used mostly to get my stripped refill valve out on my 70s lighter. Got it out finally!
Ive been using the clones for the wave at work just for some quick jobs in maintenance. Its holding up. Im going to get this variation of the surge and give it run. But for my money i havent had any problems.
I bought both the DL 30 and the bibury. I installed the donk pocket clip for the wingman and sidekick. Works great
Have an update for the bibury surge clone. So far so good.
I'm ordering this soon. I work on boilers and chillers and have bent a screwdriver on my tool from b/bury that you reviewed. Not the wave copy the bigger one. I like it but for the price I expect it to break in hard use.
I will leave feed back with you as I run it through its paces.
The DL30 I received as a vertical play on the main blade that could ultimately cause a security issue with the linerlock failing. Daicamping refused to change it. Instead they "offered" me a 6 dollars refund. They also told me that all their blade has got this problem . I can't believe that because the serrated blade has perfect machining tolerances and has no play.
Good luck if you got a flawless one but be warned that Daicamping don't provide a decent customer care.
In addition to the Leatherman bit kit being basically impossible to replace they aren't really better than standard double ended bits for anything other than thickness.
Those two bits are security flathead bits.
I found security flathead screws on a Chinese made ‘wall wart’ power supply and cheap hairdryer. It’s a regular flathead screw with a little piece of metal pushed into the slot after assembly to stop customers opening the product.
It’s the most common type of security screw after torx in my experience.
I can't wait for those brands start making variants or the Skeletool!!!!!
Sharpen the surge scissors with the included diamond file. Mine were similarly garbage, until I did that. Now they cut survivor cord better than the clone you showcased.
I love my SwissTool Spirit MX, but it is a pricey tool.
Ordered one of these for my work kit, cheap enough that I am not worried if it gets banged up.
Got mine today! It badly needs to be broken in. There's not really a need for the magnet if you use a bit extender that's snug enough. Will update.
Okay, having used the DL30 for nearly two weeks I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed. The edge geometry of the blade is better than some high-end Leatherman blades, it came wicked sharp and has been quite useful.
The scissors are incredible, they have me leaving my micro folding scissors at home. I have yet to abuse the plier head yet but I was surprised to see it was quite capable in handling finer tasks as well.
The bit driver truly is a game changer, I don't think I have to explain why. To improve upon it I'd say I'm not a big fan of the angled end of the bit driver, that being said this bit driver really does shine when you slot an extender in. I want to find a ratcheting bit extender to accompany this kit, also a quarter inch to 4mm adapter to use precision bits. Onto the bit retention, I would say you can get away with 6x1mm cylinder magnets for non ball detent bits just know they can be rather fragile, you can kind of/almost fit a 6x2mm magnet that would have less chances of cracking (amazon, aliexpress and other retails have tons of sizes available.)
I'm easily going to get more mileage out of this DL30 than any of my Leathermans, it really comes down to the bit driver accessibility, wicked scissors and the blade.
I really need to find a pocket clip for this or a Kydex Sheath, I wonder if a sheath made for the Surge would work for this DL30? Otherwise these clones are a no brainer. It really comes down to price and that bit driver.
It 100% will. As for sheaths..the only ones I like are $160 lol
please what is the length of the blade
From what I’ve just seen in these 20 minutes,I would replace the surge in a blink of an eye
Well it has arrived, what can I say ? first impressions are that if it worls as well as it looks and feels then this thing is a winner. The surge can go in the best carry kit and this can go in the use it and abuse it kit. Best of both worlds.
I have several Leatherman's and always found them over-rated. Ordered a DL30 to check it out. I know Leatherman has a killer warranty, but I can buy at least 3 of these, almost 4 for the same price as the Surge and be able to use the bits I already have since I always thought the Leatherman bits were a waste. Time will tell if these will stand up to regular use and I'll switch out this the DL30 for the long term and see what happens. Worst case is it breaks and I go back to using the Leatherman's.
Hey how has it going after 6 months?
I have recently bought the Daicamping DL30. I have used it on a semi regular basis as a hobbyists to fix vehicles. So far, it has held up quite well, the fit and finish is not as good, but at the price point (I bought mine for $55 Aus + $5 shipping). It has held up very well, and the best part is, if I do lose it or damage it, I won't be out of pocket too much and can buy another. I already destroyed the Nexttool Flagship Pro (wrecked the scissors), and jusy ordered another one.
The more videos I watch like this one, the more happy I am an lucky that I got the ratchet driver. But I do honestly hope that leatherman is working something BIG. Not just on the Arc but to restock on item like this but with better material for the bits. It would be pretty cool if they turned the bits into titanium.
To be honest, if I was them the first thing I'd do is probably get rid of at least half of the models and focus on one or two really good ones for each "size" (for lack of a better term).
Hello, Dominic...the HD in my area is phasing out Klein tools...they are replacing them with Milwaukee tools...not sure why... I was lucky to get a 11- in - 1, no dice on the 27....I saw a Milwaukee 27, but it did not appear to have ball detents or to give protection like the Kleins....
There is no shipping to my country, I hope it will open as soon as possible. Both Leatherman and Victorinox are much more expensive than they should be in my opinion. Finding, producing and processing steel is no longer as difficult as it used to be.
So I got the DL30 and IT IS AMAZING. The feel of the DL 30 is very PREMIUM. I have used it quite a lot and it performs flawlessly. It is beautiful in every aspect and it has become my multitool of choice and only $40
The tolerances are ever so slightly looser on the black oxide versions of Leatherman's to allow for the coating not to interfere with the operation/opening of the tools. From what i have found the stainless Surges have 0 Blade play in any direction and just tend to be a little smoother with pilers and scissors once broken in to the point you can flick the pliers open with one hand similarly to a butterfly knife.
I’m a surge user and work in construction, I would be more willing to use a cheaper multi tool for the jobs where I wouldn’t want the risk of damaging the more expensive surge. I’m definitely going to get one of these multi tools for all the jobs that are too risky for the surge
Just got mine a day ago. Things great. Feels just as good as my flissa wave. I feel the biggest let down is not having a #2 straight edge combo bit which is the first thing I rectified. The second thing I've done is grind the knife tip down to make it more "stabby" since I didn't like the weird rounded tip. Next step is to see if I can add a second t shank holder for both saw and file since I just don't like serrated blades at all. I like my knives sharp. Not going to screw with trying to sharpen that crap.
I’m the same I never use the serrated blade but I do use the saw and file all the time. Where will you get the second t shank holder from?
@@pj4433 Tried the company themselves, no luck. There's some floating around. Maybe the man himself can give some input on which one fits?
When I had my first multitool it was 20 bucks. I practically attempted destruction on it without a second thought. Dropped it in acid, oh well. When it rusted the next day I put it in phosophic acid then dried it and dunked it in a cup of air tool oil i had lying around. Still works a year later. I decided a few months back that a multitool was indeed something I needed in my life so I bought a Leatherman Signal. Lol weeks after when I was standing over a sewage line I went to grab my Signal to use the pliers to pry the cam lock off... I stopped.. looked at my 120 dollar tool then at this sewage line. Looksd up to where the nearest tools were which were about a 1/2 mile away then looked at the sewage line again... I started walking back for some channel locks. I wasnt going to have dooky all over my 120 dollar tool. Point being is that even cheap tools have a place. Probably going to be ordering this soon as it will be perfect to me as a pouch or locker tool to bring out and carry when I dont want my nice tools getting destroyed or when I know I am going to be doing crappy jobs that day.
Does your car or vehicle smell real bad? How do you handle clean up after a sewage or shitty job? How do you make sure you got absolutely everything off before getting in your car and going back home? 😅 serious questions btw lol
I believe Leatherman would do itself a world of good by abandoning about half of its offerings and instead focused on one or two really good offerings in the various sizes, at various price points.
You can have a $40 entry at this size (with locking blades, since that's still no longer a given with current models) with roughly the tool set the PST had, while still having $80 and $100 entries. Some of the tools are almost to the point where they're a waste unless you work in a few very specialized fields. I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze in these cases.
Nice!😅
I ground down a standard but adapter to fit the leatherman. Much cheaper than buying their adapters
sold! i placed my order before your review was over. I have a Surge that i have used heavy for about 8yrs. I ordered this one for my son.
Mine has finally arrived. Overall very pleased. Quality control appears very good considering the price and especially when the Leatherman Crunch I purchased a couple of months back (for a lot more money) has very poor QC.
I recently obtained a very early, practically NIB Crunch from 1999 and its like night and day (all Leathermans I have from that era seem to have a much higher QC) It is incredibly unlikely I will purchase any new Leatherman any time soon.
As for the bits, they basically need to ditch their bit system at this point, its expensive and sub-optimal.
Really at this point its only the reliability question that needs answering.....
I wish I could disagree, but your correct.
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I'm on the lookout for a new multitool with STRONG scissors bc I always find myself needing them when im out and not home.
A few downsides I've noticed with this tool. 1) the saw blades that come with it are too long to remain in the tool and wont close which is a bummer 2) no knurling on the serrated blade opening handle so you can't use tactile senses to tell which blade you're opening 3) on other leathermans, when you open the pliers a small pin extends into the knife holes to prevent erroneous opening of the blades. This is not present on this tool.
Have you by any chance found a 1/4 rachet you could use with these fake Multitools? I bought a couple of Bibury MT after seeing your video. Two worked out great, two that I have bought in past 14 days had some QC issues. I'll try to acquire DL30 to see if it's any better.
Also the Diablo brand jigsaw blades fit perfectly....they are thick.
Ive also added a magnet to the 1/4" driver so i can just use single sided bits which are available anywhere.
It's tempting, I've tried some of the wave clones and was not impressed with them, but I may have to just give this one a try
I have had or handled several clones and cheaper multitools over the years and not one of them compares to a Leatherman, Victorinox, SOG, or even a Gerber. I can see using a clone as an extra in a tacklebox or car but I'm always sticking with a known quality tool for edc.
That's true and that's what these clones are for, a tackle box, tool box, truck, boat, or office but imo mainly for people that can't afford or don't won't to spend Leatherman money, especially since they tripled everything and keep customers in the dark about anything new about their products, people are looking elsewhere and tired of Leatherman, so this is a great option, respectfully...
Idk nextool is pretty damn good for the price
@@ex7229I agree
@@ex7229 yep my next tool keychain is superior to the letterman and gerber versions I had. I also have several cheap knock off forgot the name and they are great.
I agree. But I have to say this new generation is different. They are pretty close. In fact, a clone I just got feels better built than my surge.
Just an fyi, those cheap pouches that basically come with any multitool you buy from amazon or aliexpress will always disintegrate when exposed to any kind of heat. Not just direct sunlight, but summertime heat while being left in a glove box. One good summer of heat damage and the pouches just shred to the touch and arent usable.
DL 30 but in size of DL1, with orientation of tools like on Multiforce and colors of Signal
I have the wave+ and the surge. Extender, ratchet extender, 41 piece bit kit. You know what I end up using in the house for minor things or for small spaces? Gerber dime. The package opener is outstanding. I also have a SOG powerpint I like as well. I use a dedicated folder for opening boxes.
I keep an old Gerber full size mt in my car's console.
Thank you for this review. I was curious about the Surge, but, at its price, not enough to buy it. DL30 for under $40 seemed like a great alternative. At worst, it's a backup. I got mine today. QC looks good on it. The bits and extra cutters are icing on the cake.
That is a super interesting offering from Daicamping. I have the Surge, the Wave+ and a Daicamping clone of the Wave+. One of the things that really frustrates me about the Leatherman, is that they don't take standard bits. Although recently bought a third party bit extender which works perfectly with my Wera bits. Probably won't end up getting the DL30, unless I finish (need to start) the modification on the Daicamping one I have. If I do, I will let you know my thoughts. I'd definitely be curious to Ben's take mind, given his love for the Surge (his fault I wound up buying one).
Ty for the review. Wondering if the DL30 and other clones can use Leatherman parts? I would like to swap one of the screwdrivers spots for the Leatherman eyeglass micro screwdriver.
From the perspective of a multitool enjoyer, not living in the US, Leatherman, as a company, seems to be like apple: Lots of proprietary (and often overpriced*) things designed to draw you into the ecosystem and by the time you hear the call of other brands you've already spent a small fortune to have your setup approximately how you'd like it.
*On the US leatherman site a surge is approx $150 USD. On the Australian version of the site it's priced at $340 AUD (226.93 USD).
Man i have had the daicamping and I have used it around the house on a multitude of tasks, out in the yard, fixing things here and there and up to now, not a single problem. The blade cut great the screw sriver is amazing, i have sooo many bits that use with it that i dont have with the surge. Honestly i have not used the surge in a long time. I have given these as presents to friends and so far they love it. So this is a serious contender especially for folks that need a pretty decent multi tool but do not have the money to spend on a surge
Reckon DL30 will give Leatherman a great run being so cost effective. The more you give Leatrherman a hard time, sooner or later they'll give in and listen but they do have a standard to uphold. The DL30 will make a great tool for apprentices & weekend warriors. We predict that in a couple of years more folks will use more generics & low cost but functional multitool. Cheers mate.
People have been trying to help Leatherman improve for 25yrs. Their problems are 100% self inflicted. 😩
@@edwardfletcher7790Yeah, they should make future tools to fit standard bits or offer a bit extender for standard bits....& perhaps phase out the flat bits....another possibility is to let the customer replace individual bits, & complete kit orders would be the exception & not the rule....
Those bits were always the Achilles heel of the design. With the multitude of different driver bits at every hardware store, it never made practical sense for proprietary bits that cost many times more
One advantage (and only advantage in my opinion) with Leatherman slim bits is that they pack really flat making it possible to carry more bits with the tool. I 3d printed a bit holder that fits inside Waves pouch with space for modified extension that allows Wave to use standard bits. The holder holds 9 single sided bits plus one can be installed on extension making it fit 10 in total. It takes roughly same amount of space as two sleeves of Leatherman flat bits. One sleeve holds 10 bits and because they are double sided you practically get 40 different bits. Amazing capability for such small package.
Leatherman are a bit out of my price range although I've wanted one forever... I've just bought the clone from your link... I'm hopeful, thankyou. 👍
I would by the DL30 before I would spend $150 to replace my surge if I lost it. Leatherman should've came out with this a long time ago. It must be accurate what you said in one of your previous videos. "Leatherman doesn't like money".
that's why I bought the Leatherman ratchet extender for my surge , I don't care that it cost 35 dollars . btw I carry my surge on my belt every day and I need to be sure that I can rely on the tools that I'm using. But I can see this being a good backup.
Even with the expensive Leatherman 1/4" bit adapter, still had to worry about the bit getting stuck and had to pull them out with pliers. I don't own any other Leatherman bits either. Since I also own a Flissa clone, the 6x1mm magnet suggestion is genius. I put one in the clone bit holder and 7 or 8 in the Leatherman bit adapter. Since the bit would pull up the stack of magnets, I cut a 6mm circle out of a PostIt and put over the top magnet. Just enough barrier to prevent the stack from lifting up but still plenty of strength to hold the bit in place. Now I can use the dozens of bits l already own. Problem Solved!
I have the DL30 on order, should be here any day, looking forward to seing how it stands up against the surge. But £32 to my door is a sillly price.
The replacement cutters are what's huge. If they have good heat treat and hardness this is asteal
I've had my Surge for just over 12 years now, carried it daily and wanted to buy a spare. When I looked online, I noticed it had really "SURGED" in price almost 3x !!! So yes, I just got me one of those clones under the "Bibury" name, model "BLT-PRO". It feels cheaper overall than the real McCoy, but at 1/4 the Surge's price I'll take it.
Run a file cleaner over the nondiamond side to remove the chrome finish and the files get more bit. Found this out with my multiforce.
Oooo
@@maxlvledchaving the Wave+ as well I do see the difference that you talk about. It's still not as bitey as the wave, but it is a big improvement.
Do the Surge and this clone have the same hand pinching possibility like you've mentioned before with the Wave?
Yep. But less so because of much more handle length..never had it happen on a surge.
(question at the end)
I'm definitely interested in the DL30. i was initially considering the Wave clone variant you covered, but I'm not a fan of the pinching problem and i wasn't quite satisfied with the tools. then i found out about the Surge and Garage 5, which got me excited. but I'm broke and $100-200 is a bit much to ask my also broke family and friends for as a gift. seeing a clone of 1 of the tools i was interested in, not just of decent looking quality but also including a bit set that's STANDARD bit size... I'm definitely interested.
but it's still something I'd want to modify, such as adding a replaceable scalpel and grinding in a chisel. so I'm wondering if this clone is still able to interchange with parts made for the Surge (such as what ZapWizard does)
as for the bits in the sheath problem... i don't think it'll be an issue. i keep my bits in a mini Altoids, which might fit without catching. and if it doesn't fit, i can just keep it somewhere else and put some matches or another such thing in that slot.
on an unrelated note, have you considered doing mods for the Suspension NXT? i have 1, but i only use about half the tools and i haven't seen any mods for it. i want to keep the pliers (obviously), can opener, awl, and file, but everything else can be sacrificed as far as I'm concerned. i usually already have a blade on me and I'm not a fan of half serrated blades, so I'd much rather have a blade i can take out and/or a saw that i can also (preferably) take out. I'm open to other tools as well, if you're willing to do a video on it
Thank you for the video! It’s looks like an amazing tool for the money and also the flexibility it provides. Leatherman really needs to think about where their product road is heading. Moving forward …. Proprietary bits are out! Bits are a commodity! Bits needs to be cheap, plentiful and interchangeable with other manufacturer’s tools. The quality of the clones are getting better and better! I’m looking forward to hearing about the reliability of this tool!
If they made it relatively simple and hassle-free to order replacement bits the space-saving of the flat bits would be fantastic.
As it stands I'm hesitant to use them for anything but the most delicate of jobs for fear of damaging something I can't easily replace.
I don't want to buy an entire set because one bit got chipped.
this is 1 of the major reasons I'm hesitant to get a Leatherman that uses bits. i want something i can actually use and i can't afford to replace proprietary bits. bit size is 1 of the first things i look at when I'm looking at a multitool with a bit holder, even before looking at the other tools. if the bit converter came stock with any multitool that has a bit holder, I'd be much more willing to get 1. I'd have to save up a while, but i would if it was more worth it.
Leatherman is on its way out due to pricing and the cash cow they're making of the proprietary bits.
I've added a thumbstud and a pocket clip to my SK05 ..as well as the soft material jigsaw blade which acts as a disposable knife blade.
Imagine having a business with a product(s) for over 20 years and you decide to not update it, not give customers options to improve it, continuing to use the hated flat soft bits. LM has teams of engineers, master machinists and more than a few managers. What exactly are they doing to keep the business competitive? Its certainly not innovating or competing with prices. Sad.
Facts
Have you seen a mod where the flat bit holder was replaced with a round normal one? Possible?
They have basically spent the last 15 years creating niche products rather than innovating or making serious updates to the products people actually care about. Oh and doubling the price of everything
They have become complacent & not innovative....they have a customer base that is loyal, deep & experienced, among which are Ben(TTC) & Dominic & they refuse to listen....btw, "Garage" is not the answer...perhaps being "whomped & stomped" by the competition might bring LM to their senses....
@@Walkingman.45I have heard people who have engineered or jury-rigged mods for their needs, so it can be done....
Had anyone taken the clone apart? If the locking mechanism is the same it might be worth it, just to take the bit driver out of the clone and put it in the Surge.
Won't work, different frame dimensions
Do you have a link for a magnet to put in the driver?
Hi Dom! there is a new Bibury version of the DL30, i think that could be the same mt with a different brand. Do you recommend it as a trusty edc tool? and mostly, do you think i could use the T-Shank adapter to mount it on my MUT, instead of the saw or the bronze scraper? Thanks!
Maybe the punch but you would also need to give up the bit holders on that side as well I think your going to struggle with that swap.
China is so insane! I'm so impress with the scissor and bit driver
I wonder if you could take the "bit kit" attachment off of the DL30 and install on it a Leatherman Surge?
The Surge hasn't been around for 2 decades. I bought two on preorder. That way probably 2005 or 2006. I graduated high school in 2003 and it was after I was already out working.
Which will cut the wire seal? I work in a warehouse, I would use that more. Or cable seal
Do you know if all the Swiss tech/Dai multi tools have the same pivots? I wanna buy too of them and mix between the outside tools, maybe adding a corkscrew somehow.
Love your channel and how you always showing new interesting tool
Home Depot sells a Husky screwdriver that uses the same bits. Ditto Walmart that sells a similar Hart brand screwdriver.
Skeletool line uses the Leatherman bits as well
We all know that...
U Bit! Electronics and hvac. I use for vintage lighter valve gasket replacement. U-8, U-7, etc…
I hate the leatherman bits. Looks like a very nice clone: great scissors, nice T-blade, universal full bit/driver capability, great $$$. Just what I need, another multitool, 😂😉 Add a mini ratchet/socket set, you got it all.
@maxlvledc if you are spending $40-$50, are you buying this or the Roxon S802s (Phantom)? Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
This one...honest truth
@@maxlvledc Thanks!
Point of order: statute of limitations is for criminal actions. Patents simply expire. Statute of limitations is not the right term of art.
Can it be modded with Leatherman blades? To use a 420 blade and a scalpel holder instead of the serrated.
didn't try it, but cool idea.
In your opinion, for intense use, qualitatively the surge or dl30 is better ?
Just got my Surge and right out of the box the scissors are identical to yours. They just can't do paracord. Mainly I use then for making an opening slit on annoying packaging.. like sauce packets that have no opening slit. The tool is definitely high quality, I couldn't really find any other issues. Came razor sharp.. just a great tool.. but worth 150 dollars?? I think no. If it outlasts me (and it better for the price) then I'll retract that statement.. but I just don't think the value is really there personally.
I've been close to buying a surge for years and given Leatherman's attitude and actions over the years I held off. I considered other brands like SOG or Gerber and came close a couple of times. Considering that those other brands are only assembled in the US, the Arc's price gouging and mess ups, and the price points and certain design improvements of these clones, I have to throw them into consideration.
4:12 Is the tool to change the cutter a proprietary bit or a standard one? Will this clone accept leatherman cutters?
Thanks for all the great videos. They've been helping me make up my mind.
7:24 OK, if the rest of the tool is on point I'm sold. Scissors are really important to me on a multitool. And not because I just want a really heavy and expensive pair of scissors. A good pair of scissors, once you get used to them, are better wire strippers for small stranded wire than the strippers made into the can opener. To see those scissors out perform the name brand is fantastic!
10:23 Could a Leatherman T shank holder be put on the clone?
16:58 I just checked. You can get the regular extender at normal price from both leatherman and amazon. The ratchet extender is out of stock on leatherman's site and isn't even listed on amazon anymore. Another win for the clone.
It's a standard T6 I believe. And scissors work great
Regarding the elastic pouch on the front of the carrier, "Not the best design, because the bits kinda catch as you go in." Perhaps that's good design? Won't the bits also catch to prevent them from falling out accidentally?
I have the original Leatherman that came out in the early 80s. I recognized at the time I bought it that it wasn't the best tool. It was made with too many compromises to be really effective. But it folded like a Swiss Army Knife, had pliers, and I could wear it on my belt, which is what I wanted it for. I bought it from an Army PX in 1983/84 and I have carried it, and used it, ever since. I know there are better models out there, but I have never been at a loss while carrying my Leatherman and SAK together.
Reference the bits, why not get the bit extension and use normal ones in the Leatherman, that’s what I do
I'm in total agreement with patents expiring after 25 years. We wouldn't have access to cheaper generic medications if patents never expired. Innovation should always be moving forward. Leatherman had an entire new lineup with all new features, new innovation & mechanics with the Free series just before the legacy line expired. They know the game.
Finally got mine in the mail. Loving it. Thinking of switching out the serrated blade for another tool, but goddamn I love how robust it is.
Might be my endgame unless the GOAT provides something more.
Do you have any thoughts on this vs the dl1? Not sure what would be better as my first main multitool. Thanks for the great videos!!