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NBA Defense: How to ICE the Pick And Roll
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Coach Nick got out on the court to explain the best way to defend the sideline screen and roll, using what Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau calls "ICE." Listen carefully during an NBA game and you'll hear the players and coaches scream "ICE!" or "Blue!" This means they want the on ball defender to force the ball handler away from the screen.
This is truly the best way to guard the sideline screen and roll, because it contains the ball handler well and does not require a third defender to rotate over and help.
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Ice Defense helped me a lot on NBA2K.
Been waiting for this one. You're the man Coach Nick!
Thanks for this coach. I'm a Laker fan and I'm reading about P&R Ice coverage deficiencies.
This video helped a lot. Thank you.
Thanks Coach, been waiting for this breakdown on screens. Keep up the good work =)
I wish we had more time to film this - and yes, we're seeing teams start to force the ball handler away from the high screen - and if the screen is flat, just force him to one side. This is how I'd defend it
Coach Nick this is so useful! I am rather new to playing basketball (1.5 years) and I always get confused when I m defending a pick n roll. But now I think I at least know my role as a defender to the ball handler. I can't wait to execute this defense next time I play.
Love these vids.. Thanks coach!
appreciate the content even in the offseason coach!
Great! Keep me updated!
NBA offenses have 4s that can really shoot these days..you ice that screen, Bosh, Millsap, Davis, Love & many more will knock down that jumper
Which is why most teams now a days switch against teams that have those stretch fours.
Zaviay Taylor Yes, offenses keep improving, defenses keep adjusting.
+Emmanuel Moses on some level I think ICE defense is really good depending the matchup. Most 1-5 pick and rolls don't have Centers that can shoot threes efficiently. But soon enough that won't be the case. And what a lot of teams do - that this video doesn't show - is stunt the shooter to buy the PNR big some time. Works more than it doesn't if you have the right personnel.
@@Boiblu1914 All you do is rescreen and the middle of the floor is open. It's an outdated defence.
@@princeedwards3489 Mostly because big men are better 3-point shooters compared to back 3 years ago when I first made the comment. Without that, you re-screen and the help defense is right there (on a competent defensive team that is)...
Excellent content coach!
THANKS! Lots more of these coming up before the season starts...
We've got this on our list. Tons of people have been asking how to attack a zone, so we'll definitely go over it...
Yes! Been waiting for this video
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*ICE DEFENSE versus the Pick And Roll*
Coach Nick got out on the court to explain the best way to defend the sideline screen and roll, using what Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau calls "ICE." Listen carefully during an NBA game and you'll hear the players and coaches scream "ICE!" or "Blue!"
This means they want the on ball defender to force the ball handler away from the screen.
We believe this is truly the best way to guard the sideline screen and roll, because it contains the ball handler well and does not require a third defender to rotate over and help.
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This was a really good video on the pick´n´roll defence. You could do one for the offensive side for new and old basket fans.
awesome channel!! u got urself a sub!, keep it up awesome bball knowledge!!
Thanks! Lots more coming up...
Really great piece of information that u can't find anywhere else.
In Spain and some places in Europe we call this pick and roll defense as 'BLUE'
thanks for tht coach, this actually helped me in my real life game, ive been trying to work on my defense, and this was very helpful especialy in JRhighschool ball, the pick and roll s a main play
Thanks! We've got lots more of this coming up...
Great vid; I'll apply the denial of the pick and roll at the top and communicate with the helping defender to prevent the penetration only giving the offense the option of a long 2.. Thanks coach.
Best basketball channel ever!! Only place were I can really study and learn basketball. This channel has really helped me be a better player on both sides of the court. Thanks BBall Breakdown!! 💪🏀
Great breakdown!
Great vid.
Hey coach, could you please bring a breakdown of the high pick& roll? with the focus on proper spacing btwn the screener and the ball-handler? And maybe an optimal angle to the rim?
Favorite video by far
Coach, could you please make a video on zones?: Using them, types of zones and especially beating them. I know it's rare to see in the NBA or higher forms of basketball but there are tonnes of teams running them in lower divisional basketball and it can be hard to have a team with enough team cohesion and confidence to beat a zone. Just wondering in case you have the time. Keep up the great vids.
Damn this video is old
Am here to learn basketball though my name is Osinimu Omeka from Nigeria 🇳🇬 and I am 6”0 trying to make it to the NBA as the greatest shooter of all time so I have to learn basketball fundamentals thank you 🙏🏽
Awesome, thanks!
Thanks! You should check out our other breakdowns!
Love the new camera
Thanks a lot for this! I do, however, have two questions left:
1) Can you ice someone when they screen to the middle or will this make the ballhandler too much of a thread inside?
2) I don't get your elaboration on defensive communication in the end 5:42 Who is supposed to say what and when?
Awesome. Let me know how it works for you and if there's anything you notice that doesn't work...
Whoever you've got recording is doing a good job.
beautiful coach
Nice video... Upon further elaboration. John Stockton used this variation of the screen and roll create long 2's for Malone. What it looks like in real time is Stockton showing feint for a screen only to drawn a defense reaction. Stockton defense will hedge assuming the screen since the though is always present. With his speed he away from the screen from there you pick your poison. Stockton Drives, Shoots or Passes. Or Malone is left open for a makable long Duece. Incredible.
can't wait for the season to start
Looks good coach. In college my university never did this. We would either jump hedge or gate the screens but this seems much more efficient. In your opinion what's the best way of guarding the pick and roll at the top of the key though?
I'm giving your pointers to my son, as we practice on the driveway. He's 10 and plays 12u AAU club ball. This helps very much, thanks. Subscribed!
Did he make it to the NBA?
Just checking
can I get a player breakdown of greg Monroe and demarcus cousins
@bballbreakdown coach will you be doing any more defensive breakdwowns? iso? double teaming the post correctly from the weakside with timing of the double?
You have a good point, Dixie. That said, there are coaches out there at ALL levels with gaps in their knowledge, or haven't been exposed to other methods.
please do a double team defensive breakdown, and how to double and defend the post. these are critical to nba defenses @bballbreakdown
2:20 is really what has pushed the development of the stretch 4 man. when the pnr is ICEd the big has an open mid range shot
hey Coach Nick, can you please make a video showing you playing NBA 2k14 and running some plays? I got that game because of you!
coach nick you're the best. show us princeton offence and triangle offence.
You're right Dixie Nourmos thats true but I still like coach nick he makes me understand basketball more
Love the guy in the background just chillin at 4:00
Are you going to break down any preseason games?
Great breakdown Coach Nick. I have a question though. What should the defense do if the screener is someone like Dirk Nowitzki who can pop out for an open 3? Wouldn't the guy guarding the screener be forced to play closer to his man? I would imagine that's not the shot the defense wants to give up.
Coach can you upload a vid on different ways to use the pick and roll
Coach do you think it would be easier to do a rotation once the ball handler goes baseline, as in, have the man defending the ball handler switch to defend the long 2 or 3 once the ball passed, that way the defender can still protect the baseline without the threat of him accidentally rotating too quickly and giving up an easy lay up?
Awesome, Thank you!
He rolls right into his man, who's down by the block waiting for him
Thanks Coach
Yes! I'm a fan of the Chicago Bulls from 1978-1998
Yes true indeed.. I noticed how far Malone was out on the perimter in the 98 finals and his shooting was not as consistant... And it also helps to have Dennis Rodman frustrating him also.
I think you should also mention the problems of icing the pick and roll when the screener is a stretch 4. Dallas wreaked havoc with continuesly running pick and pop plays with Terry and Nowitzki. If you have a screener that can hit the long two, or even the three, the player who´s guarding the screener can`t sag as far down.
well you have to adapt to the personnel. in high school, how often do you have a big that can consistently pull that shot? most of which are diving to the hoop
I think it's short for isolation or isolate - meaning keep the ball isolated on one side...
Awesome!!
It works better than the alternative, which is giving up a "fast break" on the weakside when you hedge and the offense can slip a pass to the roll man...
Couldn't have said this any better myself!
All time, I'd have to go with Phil Jackson, but Tex Winter is a mentor and one of my favorites. But Pete Newell is also the guy who I pattern my coaching philosophy after.
Hi coach, it really helps.Nice vid. May I ask why it is called ICE?
this is exactly the shit im talking about when I subscribed to this channel.
Yes - there are a handful of pick and pop guys that would love to get a decent look at a long 2...
Yes - I read something last year about it - I was thinking it was Bulls, but maybe JVG
good stuff
What's the key difference between this vs shadow & recover?
I'm an newbie. In 2k 14 is ICE the same as a go over screen defense with a soft hedge?
should ICE just be used to stop middle penetration on the SnR?
Hey are you gonna cover derrick rose's return or are you waiting for the start of the season?
i dont really understand why you must (as the defender) give the ballhandler the lane that is opposite of the screen isn't it the same either way? they can still roll or pop it regardless of which lane you give them or am i wrong
Maybe you could create some kind of a schelude of what we're going to see next and in what order is it going to be posted? That'd be nice.
Still eagerly waiting for the load and release video....
That's a long road, with a specific focus, that I didn't have at an early age
coach, do you know who invent this 'ICE' principal? cuz rarely seen in FIBA and we don't have this in China here. (maybe i didn't play in higher level.
The Knicks under JVG used to Ice side pick & rolls. The called it "down". Search for Jeff Van Gundy defensive edit, you will see it at about the 13 min mark.
Offenses are becoming really good at countering ice defense now.
How? The only way I've seen to counter is when the screener is a great 3pt shooter like Dirk...
BBALLBREAKDOWN I made the comment before actually watching the video. But you pointed out what I was alluding to anyway: re-screening the defender to eliminate ice. However, the ball handler *must* cross back over towards the middle after receiving the pivot screen. In your example, he does not, allowing the defence to win by pushing him baseline.
Alique Williams The method you mentioned is known as "snaking" the dribble. This allows the ball-handler to get back to the middle of the floor. However, with the sagging big man containing the ball-handler, it usually leads to the ball-handler settling for a long inefficient two-point jumper (depending on the time left on the shot clock). Stretch 4s pose an advantage to ICE, correct. But defenses can simply switch the screens to prevent the easy pick-and-pop to the versatile big man (a la Spurs).
Andrew Ward Rarely do I receive good replies like yours. *high five*
BBALLBREAKDOWN Or when Westbrook is the one driving.
Wasn't it the 1993 Bulls during the ECF Vs the Knicks? I think that's when they made the adjustment on the Ewing - Starks pick n roll.
I wish we had shot this, because I think you can ICE that screen as well - turn the ball handler away from the screen and have the screener's man sag/contain. More teams are setting flat screens on top, making it impossible to hedge since the ball handler can just go the other way. ICE would solve that...
what ever happened to doing a breakdown of the eufo fiba finals game?
This is great
Coming up, before the season starts...
the screener's got a wide open 3, with the screener's defender not being able to recover the distance, especially if the BH is able to bait him (to defend against the BH's potential drive to the hoop).
Cool, thanks! I'll let him know...
I know you've often criticized the Heat for their ultra aggressive defense, but I think it's more of a personnel issue. Bosh, Haslem, and Birdman aren't even close to Noah, Duncan, and Gasol at protecting the rim, but they're faster and more mobile. I think it naturally makes sense for them to hedge aggressively, especially since they have great weak side help defenders in James and Wade. I'd like to see if they play ICE with Oden on the floor though (assuming he can play).
How do you defend a screen on top. In other word doesn't the screen n roll on top kind of kill ICE,because it is not a sideling screen n roll.
Understanding growing
Floaters with a big man in your face is a tough shot - the kind of shot I wouldn't mind giving up. There are maybe 4 or 5 guys that can shoot that 3 who are PFs... I'd take my chances - if he hits enough of them, they deserve to win that game...
i loved it
is ICE an abbreviation for something, or is that your way of saying the offense will freeze with this method?
I swear I remember something about the Riley Knicks having a hand in it. In a series against the Bulls maybe?
What school do you coach?
But then if you have 3point centers such as Novak or Ryan Anderson, wouldn't ICE be harder? And if you have point guards like Derrick Rose that can do a floater, would that be an advantage to them?
Great video. Should teams still deny the screen when the ball handler is at the top of the key, and not the wing?
Of course
Yes - those are 2 guys that can nail those shots, but I'd be happy letting them shoot long 2's vs post ups by LA and 3's by Dirk...