Josh Pate On Brian Kelly - Public Opinion Poll (Late Kick Cut)
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- Brian Kelly is entering year 3 at LSU after excellent runs at Notre Dame and Cincinnati, and on Late Kick Live Ep 530 Josh Pate discussed two more big additions in Ty Lockwood and Caleb Cunningham. How good could the Alabama program be under Kalen DeBoer if the on-field coaching acumen is met with this level of recruiting? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Yes. Had he been at LSU all this time instead of ND he would have won a Natty.
You know there are casuals out here saying Dan Lanning is a better coach than Brian Kelly. Dude has done everything except win a DI title. He's coached for one & made the playoffs two more times. That's on top of his lower level success. I don't know if he's elite, but if not, he's as close as you can get...despite being pretty cringy.
difference we havent seen dan lanning’s ceiling yet
@@rickyrougshaven’t seen BK’s ceiling yet either. If you think we have you’re stupid
@@rickyrougs this could absolutely be his ceiling. It’s like you casuals have never heard of Mark Helfrich, Ralph Friedgen, Larry Coker, or Gus Malzahn. All guys who did just as well (or better) to start their careers and never really got any better. Brian Kelly has decades of success on his resume. Putting a newbie (who actually hasn’t won anything/or even a big game) in his first 2 years above him is ludicrous.
B.K is absolutely Elite
Lanning clears lol
Bruh BK is elite! I’m a Bama fan and I can assure you he is elite. Anyone saying he isn’t is a casual and not a real college football fan
Coach Kelly is the best LSU coach since Saban. He will win a natty at LSU
No he won't. He got lucky his 1st year going to SEC championship. Better coaches with lesser talent in SEC now.
Coach Brian Kelly is the most accomplished and polished coach LSU has ever hired.
@@kyoung4534 What that means "better coaches with lesser talent"?
@@kyoung4534 LSU won NCs with Les Miles and Ed Orgeron (both while Saban was at Bama). Let me say that again... with LES MILES and with ED ORGERON !!! They can sure AF win one with Brian Kelly.
@@kyoung4534 learn football 🤡💩
People who say Brian Kelly is bad cite his lack of national titles but int he same breath will say Dan Lanning is better (who has 0 national titles). Ironic. Have yet to hear a good, insightful criticism of BK. Not to mention LSU can win national titles with ANY coach. Very few schools can say they have won a title with a coach like Les Miles or Ed Orgeron.
He’s done a magnificent job with Jackson Blaziken IYKYN
Louisiana 3 stars hit different
@@rondejean7668 Ratfuk Hobley was the baddest meanest SOB that ever played a down of football.
He took a .500 team to an SEC championship game one year later. Then, he built one of the top 10 offenses in 25 years and developed a Heisman winner in year 2. He is doing a great job.
That .500 team way under preformed with the talent they had. He isn't shit
Then he got smoked in bd the next season what was lswhos record 9 & 3 🤔
@@CoryA77 That .500 team was LAST in the west in '22. They sure did underperform because EdO knew he was set for life. Then CBK inherited a team that dressed under 40 scholarship players for the bowl game. LSU DB threw 3 TD passes in the bowl.
@@jeffstapleton8695 Lost in '23 correct sir. LSU did have a 2nd half lead. Couldn't close it out.
@@user-xp6qd4sk1j daniels & your 2 5⭐ rbs are gone & that defense is so holey call it swiss cheese, deboers comming to tiger stadium & win, see how yall feel a bout kelly after a beatdown in baton rogue.
The dude went to the SEC Championship in year 1. Albeit he didn’t win, but it’s still impressive. People don’t like Kelly, but he is a great coach. Not elite yet, however he has the keys to one of the greatest programs of all time and is making incredible strides.
Look what he inherited all the talent in place and a Heisman trophy QB look where Hepul had to start with at Tennessee it's no comparison the talent difference and if Tennessee didn't slip up to SC in 22 they would have been in playoffs so I'll take Hepul first ANY DAY
mcelwain went to the sec championship his first two years
@@rickyrougs Correct but the SEC east those years UF win it was real weak. Also, FSU whipped UF as well in those years. Lots of similarities i suppose.
@@CoryA77 He inherited excellent talent in SOME areas, not all. Ed Orgeron left the team with depth issues in multiple areas, especially on the defensive side. Kelly used the portal to try to address some of that during the first two years, with only partial success (injuries in the def. backfield were significant last year, even before the season began). There were also RBs from the Orgeron recruiting classes that didn't pan out. Also, keep in mind that Kelly did not "inherit" Jayden Daniels; he was a portal addition (one who a lot of people around the country were skeptical about and second-guessing Kelly's decision to hand the offense over to him). But, what do I know? I'm just some guy that knows how to spell the name of the Tennessee coach you're hyping (Josh Heupel).
@@CoryA77brian kelly DID NOT inherit daniels. Brian kelly inherited GARBAGE
I feel nervous about playing LSU or Ole Miss, not that I don’t believe in Bama, it’s just their teams are fully loaded, I don’t love Brian Kelly but he’s still a terrific coach
We’ll find out this season!
At least Brian Kelly can still win Bowl Games. That's more than what I can say about Ryan Day
Brian Kelly doesn't get to the same bowl games Ryan Day does consistently. BK had a generational offense and failed to capitalize on it and then lost the mind behind that offense to the team he used to coach.
@@drumusic5665 is that why Ryan Day is 0-3 against the S.E.C.? At least Brian Kelly beat Missouri in Faurot Field. Ohio State only scored three points in Cotton Bowl against Missouri
@@drumusic5665 That GREAT LEAP in JD5s game had NOTHING to do with Denbrock.
QB coach Joe Sloan was the man behind the curtain. Denbrock left because he felt disrespected when CBK wanted to make Joe Sloan CoOC. Similar situation to '19 when Joe Brady was added to LSU staff with the OC Slinger. Ensminger an LSU tiger through and through embraced the situation.
So you are satisfied with Kelly? Good for you. Ryan Day has been to the playoffs, and championship. However, Ohio State fans are not satisfied. Sounds like the fan bases have different expectations. How did you drag Day into this anyway?
@@Al-Rudigor because Ryan Day hasn't beaten as S.E.C program like Brian Kelly has. Brian Kelly beat Alabama unlike Ryan Day
He a top 10 coach for sure … it’s the perception of his fame notoriety and he’s not consistently in the CFP that’s why ppl say he is overrated
Hes elite, the success he had at ND will not be topped for a long time or maybe ever.
ND had coaches he couldn't live up to.
@@Bogzedd8 NDs dominance was in a different era. I think that's a much bigger reason.
He's good. He's not elite yet. He is in year 3 at an elite program. The "program was a disaster because of Ed Orgeron" excuse is over. He has to bring LSU to the playoffs, the offense has to have the ability to score from any part of the field, the defense has to be "average", the special teams has to be "good", there can be no upsets, and they have to play elite, mistake free football in games they are underdogs. LSU doesn't NEED to win a national championship but they need to be in SERIOUS contention.
I’m not sure where Coach Kelly was labeled as an overrated coach rather than the top shelf, gets results type. Yes LSU had a SHOCKINGLY bad defense last season, but it sure looks like they have taken immediate action to right those wrongs and get things going again for the program. He’s consistently produced results throughout his career, and though he doesn’t have a National Championship ring, most coaches today don’t. I don’t have actual statistics in front of me, but off the hip simply based on having watched many of his teams games through the years I’d guess him to typically win around 10 games per season and I think that’s top shelf personally…
RTR
He currently on a 7 year run of 10+ win seasons.
Alright Bama fan I guess we can agree on this one 🙄. Looking forward to seeing yall in Death Valley this year. Geaux Tigers.
I'm a Michigan fan but come on. Like Joshua Pata says about James Franklin "he beats the teams he is supposed to beat". He is an elite coach but hasn't quite climbed the mountain yet. He may in time but to the many that say he isn't elite is ridiculous.
Kelly should be rated 6th, below Sark at 5, above Riley at 7. Day at 4, Debore at 3, Dabo at 2 (even though he has been trending down the past few years, he's still a top rated coach for at least another year in my book), Kirby at 1
With the retirement of Nick Saban...Kelly is now the winningest active coach with 283 wins.Your rankings are a joke.
@travissullivan6575 Sark just hit his first playoff as a HC, same with Debore (who albeit made it to the championship) and they are ahead of Day, Riley and Kelly who have multiple CFP appearances?
I'm just struggling to understand the scoring system you got going on. Is the criteria for being better getting to a championship and losing? If so, then Kelly has a leg there too.
@CountdeMoney1 Obviously what's missing on Kelly's resume are Nattys. I expect him to win a couple before he is done in Baton Rouge. And considering what he inherited...20 wins with that bunch is remarkable. I heard someone say that he thought Kelly was now the smartest coach in. College Football. If the guy on ESPN is right...we should see it soon.If not...LSU will move on. Never the less he is now the winningest coach in college football. Someone on this site from Alabama said that Kirby Smart was now the winningest coach. He's hovering around 100 wins He's only off by 183 .Unbelievable.
@tomneff7030 shit my bad, that comment was meant for the original, not your response.
@CountdeMoney1 Your rankings based on Nattys as well as CFP...are spot on.
RECRUITING: You left out recruiting. The lifeblood of any program! LSU currently has a top 3, ... possibly top 2 class for 2025! This includes the number one player at 3 different positions. This includes the consensus #1 QB. This includes load of Louisiana based recruits ... which gives you more forward looking staying power in the face of the NIL environment. Several of the players are coming here BECAUSE of the coaching changes. Corey Raymond is the architect of the historical DBU. LSU's next class is currently higher rated than Georgia, ND, Oregon, AtM, OU, Michigan, Tenn, Clemson, Texans, Miami, FSU, ... and on, and on. How can any review of a coaching staff leave out the scorching pace of a programs's recruiting?
We've got to shake this "Natty or they suck" trend...
You had people screaming for years that Tony V was a overrated baseball coach at Tennessee because "He hasn't won". He took a team nearly all the way there (aka further than hundreds of other teams), lost nearly ALL of the impact players on that roster, and still went BACK to the same spot in the NCAA Tourney the next year! And then won the dam thing the year after that!
It's like the Rick Barnes thing at Tennessee, we were meh at basketball, and then he started taking us to the round of 32 every year or maybe the sweet 16 every few years. Lots of fans wanted him out because "we should be better", and really they forgot the years we barely even made it or didn't. Then he gets us to the Elite 8 where we got robbed from going to the final 4, and everyone finally shuts up and respects him as a good coach.
Top 10 coach , in a premium program and in a premium conference. Everything resets after the first game.
I like to call him overrated because i hate Notre Dame. But he is a top tier coach. I still wouldn't call him elite but how many elite coaches are there really. Whats the criteria
Went to the SEC championship year one after inheriting a 37 man roster.
In year two his defense was the worst. However, he had an explosive offense that earned the school another Heisman Trophy winner within five years.
Currently, he is on the cusp of recruiting may be more five stars than the school ever has, which includes, the number one running back, the number one cornerback, the number one quarterback, and the number one inside offensive lineman in the country.
Yeah, dude sucks.
No chance in hell LSU goes 7-5. They’ll be 9-3 at worst, 11-1 at best
Imagine if one day we have to reason a world where Miles and Orgeron won titles at LSU with Saban next door, but Kelly didn't with Saban gone :)
They just got 5 star WR Derek Meadows. Beat out Michigan for the kid
I don’t think you can be “elite” without winning a Natty. But winning a Natty doesn’t automatically make you “elite “. Example would be “the cat in the hat”
Then you have iconic which is above elite and doesn’t require a Natty; Bo, Woody, Urban, The Bear, Beamer, Carrol, Snyder, Old Ball Coach, JoPa, Harbaugh etc…they are larger then life figures who defined what the football program is.
Then you have Saint Nick
We can all agree on this… it’s Nick Saban, then everybody else fights for second place. I am an LSU fan. If only we kept Saban we would have 7 more natties and would be the best program of all time. But I’ll take my 3 natties since 2000 with 3 separate coaches. Not many schools can say they win a natty with each coach they hire.
I’d say he’s at the top of the tier below “elite”. Then again, with Saban retired and Swinney refusing to adapt to the times, I don’t know who should be considered elite besides Kirby. Coaches who have made the playoffs beside him include DeBoer, Riley, Swinney, Kirby, Day, and Sarkisian. So I guess maybe he is.
Maybe Brian Kelly’s wins are different from other peoples wins lol
I have wondered for many years about the athletic department at LSU. There really is no good reason LSU so frequently underperforms. Frequently, I wonder if the reason is good ole Louisiana politics at their worst in the athletic department.
No, but go ahead and start getting all the analysts to say he's elite so he can go ahead and get proving those guys wrong out of the way by running the LSU car into the ditch. He's good - but LSU will never have enough NIL money to really compete ( Even Bama is going to struggle against Texas with the $$$ situation, ) and Bryan Kelly will show us all why he's middle of the pack journeyman coaches and he'll be coaching a pac 12 team in a few years.
It doesn’t matter how amazing you are at any school outside of the Sec. I’m sorry but how you perform once you get into the Sec is when you find out how good a coach someone is. He has been talked about not being a good recruiter. This year will be another rebuilding year for him. If he doesn’t have a good season after he will be gone.
You can not be elite if you wear a polo with it buttoned all the way to the top.
7-5? Are you high?
I think great and elite are different and he isn't elite. Elite doesn't need to have more than 2 or 3 active coaches but think championships matter to be "elite" he can still be around top 5 active
First here baby ! HOTTY TODDY!
wtf does that even mean?!😂
@@WSW0424 lol... it's an Ole Miss thing.
@@RD-jc2eu yeah I know but it still doesn’t make sense. I’m genuinely wondering what that corny junk means
He might be.
He’s a good coach just not elite.
This same guy just had LSU an tier 2 the other day smh
As an LSU fan we are definitely not tier 1 right now. We are building up to it and Brian Kelly is making all the right moves to be there soon. I say we will be a HUGE contender, and possibly winner, of the national title within the next 3 years.
Kelly is happy he doesn't have to take a week 1 loss to FSU for the 3rd year in a row
USC gonna score a lot of points if Defense is anything like last season
People need to put in perspective just how bad LSU was in 2020 & 2021 and what BK has done in rebuilding since arriving in Baton Rouge is nothing short of spectacular.
This “Titles or not Elite” culture is so stupid. Shows how casual and stupid some “fans” are
No
Its all about faaaamly at LSU this season
Can we get a top 10 coaches list?
You keep talking about the portal, but before the portal even opened BK said that the only position they are looking to fill is DT. He believes he has the right players for the rest of the positions. However, they didn't get too much at DT, but the main reason why is because there was only 1 decent DT in the portal
They picked up 2 very experienced (both going into 6th year) DTs in the portal. That's to go along with the other two (both 5th year dudes) that make the 2 deep at DT.
@@user-xp6qd4sk1jthis right here. I don’t know why people keep saying we didn’t get what we wanted in the portal. I feel that the defensive coaching was mostly to blame last year, not the players. Look at Perkins for example. Had an amazing year before last and then fizzled last year when they moved him.
@@cane870 Better example. LSU just had THREE DTs drafted. Not about the jimmies and joes. All on the Xs and Os.
Tiger DLine is set for the future with the '24 class and incoming '25 one too. Bo Davis and Kevin Peoples going to eat. McKinnley and Reliford are future all americans.
BK beat Saban that’s a Natty in my book. Show me your coach that won a natty and hadn’t gone thru Saban to get it, and I’ll tell you your natty is worthless
I’ll save y’all some time, the answer is no
Elite Coaches "WIN" championships. Thus NO. But he's close.
That leaves kirby, dabo and mack as the only elite coaches in college now. Am I leaving anybody off? Does this mean you think EdO and Les were "ELITE" coaches?
Who hired that atrocious LSU defensive staff last year? It was Kelly? It WAS Kelly....
And has now replaced them with one of the BEST defensive staffs in the country. They were the WORST SEC defensive staff in '23.
That atrocious defensive staff and their players played a BIG role in FIVE SEC and the bowl wins. All anyone remembers are the 3 losses.
Kelly made the massive mistake of firing the LSU defensive staff upon arriving in Baton Rouge. He has since fixed his error and rehired all the key guys he got rid of. All he did was delay the massive success LSU will have now that the best defensive staff in the country is back at the reigns.
@@cane870that doesn’t sound like an elite decision
Why do you keep making excuses for Kelly he's good coach but not elite by any stretch of the imagination. It was his team to see that the defense was sec caliber he failed miserable. Got lucky in his first year in 2 games. But luck counts it you win.
Lucky in that win against Bama for sure. That’s his best win as well.
I just don't know how you could call Kelly elite w out calling kiffin elite
To me he is average at best if he isnt surrounded by a GREAT staff he isnt much!
I think the fact that he does surround himself with a GREAT staff is big part of what makes him elite. He isn’t stubborn like his predecessors.
@@cplively elite??? Not yet but yea most great coaches have a great staff I don't know what it is he just has a lost look to me when the pressure is on his team late in games he may turn out great but I think he is a choker in my opinion
What great coach was NOT surrounded by a GREAT staff?
Unfortunately yes cause he’s such a tool
Kelly is like trump
The people that dont like him hate him due to his personality and have no real basis to hate him otherwise
There are a few NY City contractors who might want to chime in. 😂😂😂
Talk to people who've worked in the real estate world in NYC for decades. They'll give you plenty of reasons other than "personality."
You can blame casuals all you want. He’s historically been bad against top teams and he has yet to win anything at all in the postseason. I get LSU fans are die hard. But how about we wait till he actually does something down there then we can talk about if he is elite.
Nope kellys not & deboer will prove it in tiger stadium in nov tick tock kitties ROLL TIDE!
If you think that you’re a casual. Brian Kelly is 1-1 against Saint Nick. Deboer doesn’t know shit about SEC football. And you wouldn’t be caught dead saying Deboer and Saban are in the same league. Yall took a massive step back with Deboer. Get ready bozo
@@cane870 alright corbdog when your crying in your cheerios in nov don't make to many excuses like you did last year, it's comming another loss but this time it's in tiger stadium chump 😂
@@cane870 cane nobodys worried a bout kelly or lswho, there a has been you'll see & that busted defense that's not stopping my offense but you keep thinking that chump 😂
I knew it. Bama fans think their success was in spite of nick saban, not because of him.
Would bama win a title with Les miles or Ed orgeron? Nope
I hate Kelly he helped our program not enough though. He is too conservative when coaching. Freemen is better
The guy who lost to Marshall with a loaded roster? Lmao
@@jnethe17Cincinnati, navy, usf, Tulsa. Not quite Marshall but damn. The main difference is while people like Freeman more, think he has more upside, no ND fans are walking around like “he’s an elite coach.”
@@tomas746 yeah no, he’s not. He will probably go to the playoffs, but he is never going to win a championship or sniff one.
@@jnethe17 My point being is that Kelly has never had a playoff win, definitely never came close to smelling victory in 2012 bcs game, and until 2022 had almost no high profile wins. Yet here we are a whole damn video on if he is elite. Let the man win something and I’ll shut up about it. Until then everyone else should shut up about him.
@@tomas746 he won a lot at notre dame and is the winningest coach in the program’s history. So that’s saying something. Look at what he’s done with lsu. Back to back 10 win season after inheriting a team with 39 scholarship players and no depth on either line of scrimmage. Now they have the best offensive line in the country, they have been recruiting very well, and there is actual depth now. LSU won a national championship with two other coaches who couldn’t find a job anywhere else. With Kelly there, it’s kinda scary what they will become.
All I know is that he is lower than Mike Norvell.
Brian Kelley is boring. He doesn't seem to have a staff that's up on it's game. What I mean is players like flash and glitter and coaches who can talk a good game. Last but not least, what type of coach is Brian Kelley. I have no clue as to what his identity is nor LSU 's. Like Kiffin is an offensive mind, so is Sark and DeBoer. Kirby and Saban and Lanning are defensive minded coaches. What is Brian Kelly? What his philosophy may be, he NEVER looks like this is his dream job and he loves what he's doing. He looks unhappy all the time.
CBK is one of a very few coaches that have been a COORDINATOR on BOTH sides the ball. That LSU '23 offense was NOT flashy enough for you? The man lets his assistants DO THEIR JOB.
This is such a stupid take. “I have no idea what type of mind Brian Kelly is” bozo LSU had the BEST offense in the country with the BEST and Heisman winning quarterback. You are one of those people who completely refuses to look at the facts and form a fair unbiased opinion. But keep hating cause LSU is gonna win a natty soon.
So I guess the answer to my question is BK is neutral since he has coaching experience on both sides of the ball. Yeap translation boring. Coach O was spicy and interesting, at least his accent was authentic. He never tried to be something he's not..."y'all "😂
Time will tell the story soon enough. Ole Miss took y'all to the wire. Ok
@@user-xp6qd4sk1japparently not Ole Miss offense was flasher in '23. Was that a home game I can't remember?
@@kyoung4534 Pretty sure LSU led the SEC in scoring and total offense. Probably the country. It was a home game for one of the schools. I can remember when ole miss was to poor to afford their own on campus stadium. Them and state shared a stadium in jackson.
joey freshwater and his band of runts weren't even top 15 in scoring.
Imagine saying Dabo isn't the best/second best coach in America. JFC people.
I agree but also disagree - just because he took such a massive downturn when Venables left, which makes Dabo look like he just made a very good hire and rode that wave for a good while considering how loyal BV was to stick around. Now he's looking very up and down, and won't use the portal (which I do admire, somewhat, btw) So I guess I'm saying I see why he would be a "top ten but maybe not top 5" to most people
@@Nathan-ct9eh What 5 coaches have done more than him? Its funny that you mention BV considering all the people who chirp that he rode "generational QBs" to titles. Also the defense hasn't gotten worse under Wes. Besides that, the idea that some put guys like Dan Lanning (who hasn't won a big game yet) or Mike Norvell (1-2 vs Dabo), or Brian Kelly (1-3), or Sark, above him is ludicrous. Using the transfer portal doesn't mean you are a great coach just like not using it doesn't make you a bad coach. Dabo has two 9 win season & one 6 win season. They rest are all double digit season. They won the league title the year before last and were a FG away from making the CFP....with DJU at QB. People just hate Dabo. That's the reality. Anyone else with that resume would not be in the discussion of "probably in the top 10"
Let’s revisit this at the end of the year. Shall we?
@@jnethe17 revisit what? Is someone else gonna have 2 titles at the end of the year?
@@jarrodmoore9 in the past, yes. But going forward no one is legitimately considering Clemson as a title contender. Not even close.
He's a poser!
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