best video ever ! you’re a great teacher . i’ve been working on my doubles for awhile blindly , and i came across your channel . the way you taught is to make sure that we understand . kudos to your other lessons as well , you taught on how to fish rather than giving the fish ! thank you so much for your content !!! 🎉🎉🎉
I was taught it as a 'drop/catch', however, it's mostly referred to as 'freestroke' these days. Have you seen Gordy Knudson's videos about applying the freestroke to singles? It's magic; double strokes become flams, triple stroke rolls become single 5's. You'll love it if you haven't seen it yet!
What you're demonstrating is called the free stroke (at least the push part is). Push-pull is similar, but a smaller motion. The elbow isn't really part of it. It can be used for the initial throw of the stick as you demonstrated, but push-pull is primarily used to play a continuous stream of notes one-handed, and in that application, you're not really going to be using the elbow anymore once it gets going. I think the free stroke essentially becomes push-pull as you economize your motions to play faster. I find that push-pull limits my maximum tempo to around 240 or 250 BPM. Simply using rebound control via middle finger pressure allows me to play ~20 BPM faster, with little to no change in evenness.
Nice reply, interesting. I agree with all of this except I definitely don’t ‘switch’ to a different technique at the fast tempos, the stroke is always coming from my elbow. The motion of my arms happens at half the speed (one arm stroke for every double) which I find helps them sound better and more fat. My upper limit is 32nd notes somewhere around 110-115, but it’s been a while since I’ve really put some work in. I’ve had it up around 125/130 before but lack of practice has eroded that a little 🤣
@@JacobEvansDrums I meant to say that the elbow isn't part of the basic continuous push-pull technique beyond the first note. However, if you're using it to play doubles, that's a different situation, as it is not continuous - you're "restarting" every time you play a double. Or, if you're using it to play fast 16ths on the hi-hat, you add the elbow in order to get a bit of an accent on the 8th notes, just as you would at slower tempos with regular upstrokes and downstrokes. But the most basic push-pull motion is just wrist and fingers. The messed up thing for me is that my right hand is better at push-pull, but my left hand is better at pure rebound control, so at really fast tempos, I wind up going half-and-half when playing doubles. And I can't do a real push-pull with traditional grip, where the hand and elbow move horizontally contrary to each other as the forearm turns over and back, so I do a fake version that's essentially trying to duplicate the vertical motion of the stick in matched grip.
Hey, great Doubles 😉 I'm trying it myself. At 4:33 you are talking about Singles and doubles but the singles you played were half the speed of doubles. How do you play singles at the same speed as your doubles? What technique do you use for that? Cheers
Great video. I've been working on the motions you showed for a while already, however I still find that I hit a wall at 140 bpm 16ths. It's driving me crazy
best video ever ! you’re a great teacher . i’ve been working on my doubles for awhile blindly , and i came across your channel . the way you taught is to make sure that we understand . kudos to your other lessons as well , you taught on how to fish rather than giving the fish ! thank you so much for your content !!! 🎉🎉🎉
Great video! Im really surprised to see your channel doesn’t have more views it’s very high quality !
Thanks! More videos to come.
I was taught it as a 'drop/catch', however, it's mostly referred to as 'freestroke' these days. Have you seen Gordy Knudson's videos about applying the freestroke to singles? It's magic; double strokes become flams, triple stroke rolls become single 5's. You'll love it if you haven't seen it yet!
That sounds very interesting, I'll check it out!
Very underrated lesson, this is some precious information right there. Thanks for sharing, would love to see your take on moeller.
this is pretty rad. definitely something to think about and compare to the "usual"
What you're demonstrating is called the free stroke (at least the push part is). Push-pull is similar, but a smaller motion. The elbow isn't really part of it. It can be used for the initial throw of the stick as you demonstrated, but push-pull is primarily used to play a continuous stream of notes one-handed, and in that application, you're not really going to be using the elbow anymore once it gets going. I think the free stroke essentially becomes push-pull as you economize your motions to play faster.
I find that push-pull limits my maximum tempo to around 240 or 250 BPM. Simply using rebound control via middle finger pressure allows me to play ~20 BPM faster, with little to no change in evenness.
Nice reply, interesting. I agree with all of this except I definitely don’t ‘switch’ to a different technique at the fast tempos, the stroke is always coming from my elbow.
The motion of my arms happens at half the speed (one arm stroke for every double) which I find helps them sound better and more fat.
My upper limit is 32nd notes somewhere around 110-115, but it’s been a while since I’ve really put some work in. I’ve had it up around 125/130 before but lack of practice has eroded that a little 🤣
@@JacobEvansDrums I meant to say that the elbow isn't part of the basic continuous push-pull technique beyond the first note. However, if you're using it to play doubles, that's a different situation, as it is not continuous - you're "restarting" every time you play a double. Or, if you're using it to play fast 16ths on the hi-hat, you add the elbow in order to get a bit of an accent on the 8th notes, just as you would at slower tempos with regular upstrokes and downstrokes. But the most basic push-pull motion is just wrist and fingers.
The messed up thing for me is that my right hand is better at push-pull, but my left hand is better at pure rebound control, so at really fast tempos, I wind up going half-and-half when playing doubles. And I can't do a real push-pull with traditional grip, where the hand and elbow move horizontally contrary to each other as the forearm turns over and back, so I do a fake version that's essentially trying to duplicate the vertical motion of the stick in matched grip.
Great exercise Jacob
Thanks Johnny!
Hey, great Doubles 😉 I'm trying it myself. At 4:33 you are talking about Singles and doubles but the singles you played were half the speed of doubles. How do you play singles at the same speed as your doubles? What technique do you use for that? Cheers
Great video. I've been working on the motions you showed for a while already, however I still find that I hit a wall at 140 bpm 16ths. It's driving me crazy
Yeah there will always be plateaus but usually for a reason. This technique defs works up to like 200-220bpm 16ths.
Relax
Going by seeing you use it in a beat, I’d call it a JazzBlast 😂👌
I like it...