Saw this tonight and put it into practice for almost 4 hours straight. Not only did it clean up my scrapes, but it nearly brought my left hand up to par with my right, after struggling for YEARS. Thank you so much. 🤙🏼
I am good at about to a 100 BPM 16th notes maybe 105 but after that it just does to fall apart. I haven't been able to break that barrier. I just recently noticed that the hold the stick different in my left hand than I do my right. The stock in my right goes straight down the crease of my hand and the left to the side more. Trying to correct that is not going well but I see that you hold your stick like I do in my left so I guess it's not that big of a deal. It's just that my left is the weak hand and taking some time to get it up to speed with my right.
Hey, in the vid you said that the drop-catch would only be for mid-tempo doubles, and for doubles that are faster you use the fulcrum more. Would you be able to elaborate on how to use the fulcrum?
for me it gets what I call floppy at higher tempos. think 2 strikes for every downward stick motion but the fingers aren't really doing a whole lot. However, there is pressure on your fulcrum. The stick is basically flopping up and the fulcrum forces it back down before the lift (up stroke) making 2 notes. It feels like cheating. Your wrists basically get still and your forearms start to pump up and down. Of course tap quality goes down. You can see that at @:52 and at @1:36. Sadly, flopping doubles is how I learned to double stroke roll even at slow tempos. Later, I had to learn to chop these slower doubles out with finger control with is pretty life changing for a drummer. Yes, confusing and annoying comment. Bill Bachman and Marcus Hawkins are masters at describing this.
@@JayJohnson4x4 I was taught those floppy doubles too, but that’s what I was doing for slow and medium tempos. I’m still in the process of getting better at keeping my fingers on the stick at all times for better control, I’ve gotten better at it for slow and medium tempos. But I have a hard time keeping my fingers on the stick and getting solid even more spacing on diddles at faster tempos, especially on my left, non dominant hand. When u go at fast tempos, do u just pinch the stick with your thumb and pointing finger and release the back 3 fingers and use forearm to push out those notes?
@@neb6208 exactly. when your are flopping doubles it is all fulcrum and pumping forearms. Some people develop bad habits such as straightening their support fingers, middle, ring, and pinkie, while flopping. Try not to do this. The support fingers come off the stick, but try not to straighten or stick out your pinkie like a Brit drinking tea. I'm an old school marching instructor and it's a pet peeve of mine. LOL. Also, when your are developing better doubles by chopping (using finger control) ditch the pad and play on a pillow. Also, look up inverted shots by Bill Bachman. that helped me tremendously. If you can't find it just think of doing straight 8 notes on each hand while accenting, or better yet rim shot, the off beat.
That probably depends on the song/mood but i think he's saying to kind of balance them out more. We just tend to hit the first one extra hard and that makes an uneven rebound that makes the second one weaker/gives wonkier rebound control. If you hit the first note with medium hardness then you can use it to bounce back into the second note more cleanly
My left hand and arm get really stiff and tense when doing doubles. Is there anything I can do about this? Also should I be using more rebound and stick weight than fingers to produce the 2nd note?
Playing relaxed is something you must practice. Having chops can also help. Focus on quick snaps of the wrist and maintaining a light touch. Squeezing will be your enemy. Rebound is part of using finger. You cant use finger without rebound
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It's about the WRIST, not the fingers. You don't want to use finger control with double strokes. You play THROUGH the drum, not '"to" the drum, which is what beginners do. That means break the wrist past what you need to do just to make contact with the drum. You don't have time to use fingers at a fast tempo for the secondary tap. You play with finesse, not strength...
Thank you for your comment John! Indeed many beginners do not play through the drum enough and many beginners do not spend enough time building wrist chops. They tend to revert to the fulcrum and elbow at too slow of a tempo. I (Steven) am a HUGE advocate for wrist rotation on everything from legato strokes to rolls, and perhaps I did not speak enough about it. I certainly show more support in other videos. However, I do strongly disagree about your comment in regards to finger. The purpose of finger on double strokes is to support the wrist rotation. Using finger is not about finesse, it's about control. Finger support allows you to manipulate and control the spacing of your doubles as well as get more sound on the second note of each double stroke (if you do it correctly), which most people struggle with. And to the contrary, finger adds more strength to your DS quality. It allows you to pull the stick faster for the second note because tempos get too fast for you to wrist every note. This strengthens sound quality, and the product is a consistent sound across all notes, not just the attacks. I urge you to give finger yoga a try! It may help you feel your fingers more than you currently do, even at the faster tempos.
@@TheQuadMethod No, you lift the stick with your wrist, not the fingers! The fingers just keep the stick from flopping, and keep the bounce confined to a smaller space. You do not have enough time to snap the fingers for a secondary tap. I have a video on the double stroke roll as well, and I don't use the fingers at all, other than to just keep contact with the stick. You may need a little help as a quad player, but finger control is not necessary to play good rolls on snare drum. Look for my video th-cam.com/video/10DSn3VeJG0/w-d-xo.html
@@tootallforbaseball I believe there is some misunderstanding with where we are both coming from. I watched your video and it does have some technical insight that I agree with. However marching percussionists need to utilize a modified approach in order to play on drums that have significantly higher tension, with sticks that are significantly larger, and in a manner than allows us to maneuver must faster vertically and horizontally. In regard to finger usage on double strokes, it works for marching percussionists because of the significant rebound we receive on our drums. It wouldn't work so much on toms or concert snare drums because they don't get enough rebound for finger to be of significant effect. However the stick kicking off the head so fast (for us) and the rhythmic demand, necessitates our ability to control the stick with the back 2-3 fingers. Although many of us are young and have a lot of room to grow as educators, We guarantee our information is of the highest quality. But we thank you for your critique! We value those who challenge our ideology and express different ways of approaching the same thing. It allows us to gain perspective as educators, and we are all about that here at The Quad Method!
The Quad Method The idea with playing drums is to use the least amount of effort, motion and relaxation while achieving a good sound. The higher tension drums should make it easier to use just your wrist. It does not call for more muscles, unless you are playing sweeps. Playing horizontally uses a completely different set of muscles than vertically. I was playing on a practice pad with much smaller sticks, and could play even doubles even with basically two fingers, so I demonstrated that it can be done using the correct, but less, effort. I played in marching bands for 13 years, and that was almost 30 years ago. I would challenge you or anyone to practice using less effort, less motion, like Buddy Rich, and especially focus on the break of the wrist, not using the fingers any more than necessary. Keep in mind that I am referring to snare and set playing. With toms, you still just break the wrist, but you could cheat a little on a floor tom if it were really low. But if you can do it without using fingers, it’s more apt to be clean and quicker. I’m not trying to say anything about your playing ability, just encouraging you to try a method that is simpler. By the way, I do, of course, have drum corps sticks and use the same “wrist-only” play through the drum technique and can demonstrate it on any drum or surface without snapping fingers, but just keeping them on the stick. How would using less energy, less motion and less effort help your playing? Check out sdjmalik “debunking double stroke roll finger control technique.” He is one of your own...
Saw this tonight and put it into practice for almost 4 hours straight. Not only did it clean up my scrapes, but it nearly brought my left hand up to par with my right, after struggling for YEARS. Thank you so much. 🤙🏼
I have been playing for 40+ years and never heard of this. OMG what a difference this makes. Thank you!
Best vid and example I've seen on double strokes...much thanks
It's really challenging, but its dope when you get it right.
Holy crap keep making vids pls! Awesome
I am good at about to a 100 BPM 16th notes maybe 105 but after that it just does to fall apart. I haven't been able to break that barrier. I just recently noticed that the hold the stick different in my left hand than I do my right. The stock in my right goes straight down the crease of my hand and the left to the side more. Trying to correct that is not going well but I see that you hold your stick like I do in my left so I guess it's not that big of a deal. It's just that my left is the weak hand and taking some time to get it up to speed with my right.
Good explanation of drop-catch. Now I get it.
“Double Stokres” looks like someone had a _double stroke_ while making the thumbnail
These videos are fantastic, thank you so much!
Hey, in the vid you said that the drop-catch would only be for mid-tempo doubles, and for doubles that are faster you use the fulcrum more. Would you be able to elaborate on how to use the fulcrum?
for me it gets what I call floppy at higher tempos. think 2 strikes for every downward stick motion but the fingers aren't really doing a whole lot. However, there is pressure on your fulcrum. The stick is basically flopping up and the fulcrum forces it back down before the lift (up stroke) making 2 notes. It feels like cheating. Your wrists basically get still and your forearms start to pump up and down. Of course tap quality goes down. You can see that at @:52 and at @1:36. Sadly, flopping doubles is how I learned to double stroke roll even at slow tempos. Later, I had to learn to chop these slower doubles out with finger control with is pretty life changing for a drummer. Yes, confusing and annoying comment. Bill Bachman and Marcus Hawkins are masters at describing this.
@@JayJohnson4x4 I was taught those floppy doubles too, but that’s what I was doing for slow and medium tempos. I’m still in the process of getting better at keeping my fingers on the stick at all times for better control, I’ve gotten better at it for slow and medium tempos. But I have a hard time keeping my fingers on the stick and getting solid even more spacing on diddles at faster tempos, especially on my left, non dominant hand.
When u go at fast tempos, do u just pinch the stick with your thumb and pointing finger and release the back 3 fingers and use forearm to push out those notes?
@@neb6208 exactly. when your are flopping doubles it is all fulcrum and pumping forearms. Some people develop bad habits such as straightening their support fingers, middle, ring, and pinkie, while flopping. Try not to do this. The support fingers come off the stick, but try not to straighten or stick out your pinkie like a Brit drinking tea. I'm an old school marching instructor and it's a pet peeve of mine. LOL. Also, when your are developing better doubles by chopping (using finger control) ditch the pad and play on a pillow. Also, look up inverted shots by Bill Bachman. that helped me tremendously. If you can't find it just think of doing straight 8 notes on each hand while accenting, or better yet rim shot, the off beat.
Great video, Steven!
is "stick around" an intentional pan?
This video is perfect! I will use this method for teaching doubles in the future, thank you!
What kind of sticks are you using?
Promark Sean Vega tenor sticks
So the second note is the one that we accentuate to have a good sound?
That probably depends on the song/mood but i think he's saying to kind of balance them out more. We just tend to hit the first one extra hard and that makes an uneven rebound that makes the second one weaker/gives wonkier rebound control. If you hit the first note with medium hardness then you can use it to bounce back into the second note more cleanly
Yeaaaaaaah! 😍🔥
Thank you.
My left hand and arm get really stiff and tense when doing doubles. Is there anything I can do about this? Also should I be using more rebound and stick weight than fingers to produce the 2nd note?
Playing relaxed is something you must practice. Having chops can also help. Focus on quick snaps of the wrist and maintaining a light touch. Squeezing will be your enemy.
Rebound is part of using finger. You cant use finger without rebound
Good information
I was never taught drop catch because “we don’t do that in this area...”
Technique differs place to place. Which is cool! Just depends what works best for you
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What are the best sticks for quad video?
I use the Promark Vegas. Not sure if there's an actual "best"
I was told that it’ll just get eventually. This vid was amazing coz, I didn”t get it...
Yes. They always just said practice slow and speed it up but never what technique to use
Hi...do u have an email...if so I would like to talk about lessons!!
thequadmethod@gmail.com
@@TheQuadMethod I love your videos.
Been 3 years and nobody is mentioning the thumbnail 😂
Stokres is what’s written in the thumbnail.
Everyone's a teacher
Never heard anything in this that explained why he called it the quad method…. Otherwise great
man, this guy is not even able to play bad-eough "not so good double strokes". That play seems pretty good to me...
It's about the WRIST, not the fingers. You don't want to use finger control with double strokes. You play THROUGH the drum, not '"to" the drum, which is what beginners do. That means break the wrist past what you need to do just to make contact with the drum. You don't have time to use fingers at a fast tempo for the secondary tap. You play with finesse, not strength...
Thank you for your comment John! Indeed many beginners do not play through the drum enough and many beginners do not spend enough time building wrist chops. They tend to revert to the fulcrum and elbow at too slow of a tempo. I (Steven) am a HUGE advocate for wrist rotation on everything from legato strokes to rolls, and perhaps I did not speak enough about it. I certainly show more support in other videos.
However, I do strongly disagree about your comment in regards to finger. The purpose of finger on double strokes is to support the wrist rotation. Using finger is not about finesse, it's about control. Finger support allows you to manipulate and control the spacing of your doubles as well as get more sound on the second note of each double stroke (if you do it correctly), which most people struggle with. And to the contrary, finger adds more strength to your DS quality. It allows you to pull the stick faster for the second note because tempos get too fast for you to wrist every note. This strengthens sound quality, and the product is a consistent sound across all notes, not just the attacks. I urge you to give finger yoga a try! It may help you feel your fingers more than you currently do, even at the faster tempos.
@@TheQuadMethod No, you lift the stick with your wrist, not the fingers! The fingers just keep the stick from flopping, and keep the bounce confined to a smaller space. You do not have enough time to snap the fingers for a secondary tap. I have a video on the double stroke roll as well, and I don't use the fingers at all, other than to just keep contact with the stick. You may need a little help as a quad player, but finger control is not necessary to play good rolls on snare drum. Look for my video th-cam.com/video/10DSn3VeJG0/w-d-xo.html
@@tootallforbaseball I believe there is some misunderstanding with where we are both coming from. I watched your video and it does have some technical insight that I agree with. However marching percussionists need to utilize a modified approach in order to play on drums that have significantly higher tension, with sticks that are significantly larger, and in a manner than allows us to maneuver must faster vertically and horizontally.
In regard to finger usage on double strokes, it works for marching percussionists because of the significant rebound we receive on our drums. It wouldn't work so much on toms or concert snare drums because they don't get enough rebound for finger to be of significant effect. However the stick kicking off the head so fast (for us) and the rhythmic demand, necessitates our ability to control the stick with the back 2-3 fingers.
Although many of us are young and have a lot of room to grow as educators, We guarantee our information is of the highest quality. But we thank you for your critique! We value those who challenge our ideology and express different ways of approaching the same thing. It allows us to gain perspective as educators, and we are all about that here at The Quad Method!
The Quad Method The idea with playing drums is to use the least amount of effort, motion and relaxation while achieving a good sound. The higher tension drums should make it easier to use just your wrist. It does not call for more muscles, unless you are playing sweeps. Playing horizontally uses a completely different set of muscles than vertically. I was playing on a practice pad with much smaller sticks, and could play even doubles even with basically two fingers, so I demonstrated that it can be done using the correct, but less, effort. I played in marching bands for 13 years, and that was almost 30 years ago. I would challenge you or anyone to practice using less effort, less motion, like Buddy Rich, and especially focus on the break of the wrist, not using the fingers any more than necessary. Keep in mind that I am referring to snare and set playing. With toms, you still just break the wrist, but you could cheat a little on a floor tom if it were really low. But if you can do it without using fingers, it’s more apt to be clean and quicker. I’m not trying to say anything about your playing ability, just encouraging you to try a method that is simpler. By the way, I do, of course, have drum corps sticks and use the same “wrist-only” play through the drum technique and can demonstrate it on any drum or surface without snapping fingers, but just keeping them on the stick. How would using less energy, less motion and less effort help your playing? Check out sdjmalik “debunking double stroke roll finger control technique.” He is one of your own...
@@TheQuadMethod I respect and admire your tolerance with this guy