The ONE Thing That Will Massively Speed Up Your Doubles
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If the “second note” in your doubles isn’t happening on its own, you’re doing something wrong. The thing is, double stroke rolls are not that hard - especially if you let physics do its job. I’ll break this down for you, and we’ll watch some slow motion footage. We’ll learn how to let physics play that second note for you so that you can play doubles with half the effort. This is the only way to speed up a double stroke roll. I hope you enjoy! By the way, if you’re still struggling with the whole “loose grip” or “letting-the-stick-bounce” thing, go back and review the previous lesson where we talked about just that. Make sure your loose, smooth grip is squared away before really tackling doubles.
Here's the previous video in the series, all about achieving a loose, relaxed grip:
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Absolutely love this- it is probably the best video I’ve ever seen teaching you how to do double stroke rolls. Too often, they assume you’re already fairly advanced and are just working on speed.
Been working on doubles for years! Playing along to this I DOUBLED my speed in 5 minutes. Just incredible, thankyou!!
there's not very many vids out there anywhere that really explain it like you've done here. Way to go Stephen!! and thanks.
This was my roadblock years ago before i stopped playing now im going back to zero - back to basics and hopefully i could conquer this weakness. Thanks bud.
Finally doubles make sense. Thank you!
This man has explained so much about everything I needed to no in 1 video,wow what a great teacher
Most people can snap out decent sounding doubles on a snare in a relatively short time...There are very few that can snap out clean doubles on a heavily de-tuned floppy 16 inch tom with zero rebound. It stops being about rebound and relies on how good your finger work is to pick up the stick and force the second stroke. The only way I've found to improve and get close to decent doubles is a LOT of work using a pillow instead of a practice pad. If you can snap out good doubles on a pillow, you will do well on the Toms....In virtually every Pro video I've watched in which they have nearly perfect doubles they mention the implement of practice on a pillow. There really is no substitute in my opinion..
..and the vast majority of people practice doubles on the snare or practice pad 99% of the time and then go back to the drawing board when their doubles suck on the toms.. You should use the worst environment to practice.
I use two towels double folded and heavy sticks and a closed hand technique,the fingers do come into play at a really fast tempo,I love the closed hand technique for control and power especially at slow tempos.
@@AristophanesNow You really don't even hear fast singles that often when you really think about it
I hear bigger sticks help with doubles on toms
Dude you’re like the best drum teacher and I’ve had one in real life who just thought drum solos were important but he never taught me in baby steps so thanks so much for this I have learned a lot!!
The slo-mo footage definitely helps with the fine tunning, the details really matter when you're trying to achieve a more consistent stroke. Great video!
Thank you so much for your lessons mate , really appreciate what you are doing , of the many drum channels on YT, yours is easily the best . Every video adds huge value and is easy to understand, keep it going.
Oh my god...!
An eye opener for me....I m a self taught drummer....I have been recording my prarddiles they were sloppy......and one day you tube suggested me thatt!!!!
Thank you youtube.....thank you for posting itt!!!
Excellent video. Your superb explanations coupled with the slow motion videos make for an outstanding lesson! Super helpful!!
You're an awesome teacher! Best doubles video I saw. The slow-mo gives a huge help! Thanks!
Love all the percussion technique/kinesiology content. Thank you!
Awesome, can't wait to try this. This is the explanation I've been looking for. Subscribed .👍
Good luck with that. Another self proclaimed internet drum guru and teacher.
Thank you brother!! In this video I understand what 'doubles' really is.. A huge huge thanks from a middle-aged begginer like me.. God bless you always
Great educational video mate!
The first 1.38 has cracked an age old problem for me. This fellows information is priceless !
Great content videos, really helping me along the first steps of my journey.
Great exercises ~ thank you Stephen 🇦🇺 🥁
I love your channel. I am a technical learner. So Intend to lean on math and physics when trying to understand a skill. Some may do this and say "well you just have to feel it." But that will allow a hit or miss comprehension and will most likely waste valuable time.
For me it's better to understand and then feel it as a confirmation. Thank you.
Thank you! This is super helpful..
Thanks man that was awesome!
This was great!
nice job stephen. might also mention there’s a little arm pumping motion also as the tempo increases further.
I just started playing drums and your videos have been extremely helpful. You seem to always address the problems I'm having! Thanks a ton, man.
Hey Jeff,
I don't now if its the smartest for you to practice double strokes, if you have just started with playing the drums. Be sure to have a good single stroke foundation first :)
Stay motivatet, greetings
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Thanks for the advice! I haven't really started practicing doubles yet, but I'll definitely work on the singles first. Not as easy as I thought it was
J K lol it never is!😂
That slow 'mo is everything. I've been using French technique since I started self taught, and had tendon problems relating to bad technique and have been struggling to make the switch. I'm totally jealous watching people play doubles on non-rebound objects like pillows and their leg etc - and just don't get it. But the slow mo at the end here is a game changer in terms of understanding how to hold the stick in the American grip and how the fingers work to force the second hit accent - just gotta make it happen. Saved - and thanks
Seems like a good teacher this guy
Clearly taught..very good
3:58 oh thanks :D I needed to hear this. I always played with singles and it's hard to "control the physics".
Thank you play double stroke rolls I just got them up to speed but I play them with fingers excuse molar drop down Push Pull not perfect but working on all of them
Rock and Roll, thanks for the tips…
Rodney, thx for your comments. Keep on Drumming. I still have problems with the matched grips on the sticks. I learned the original way. If you watch Buddy Rich Vids, his speed and ability will blow your mind. My Era favs were Ginger Baker and John Bonham , Keith Moon, even Dave Clark from The Dave Clark 5.
Great tips, we need more teachers like you, thanks
That 💩 at 6:38 just change my life, Thanks 👌🏾
Thanks for this, it’s so good especially the slomo. I’ve been concerned about flicking up the stick fully every time and now I see it’s not a thing. Buzz has been my middle name but hopefully for not too much longer… 👏🌹🇦🇺✌️
Agreed. Very helpful basic Vids. I'm 68 and have returned to playing drums after 50 years. It is fun and frustrating because of my own expectations of immediate advanced playing. I need to digest the idea that Practice makes perfect. You cant be Ginger Baker or Steve Copeland over night LOL. thx for the TH-cam Vids. Happy Holidays to all you Drummers out there
Aldo, I began drumming in 1988 and outside of playing trumpet and snare in middle and high school, I was entirely self taught by ear on my first "real" set of drums. Although I never had a large lapse in time where I didn't practice on pillows, I spent years without drums. Thanks to TH-cam videos like this one, my playing and practicing techniques have given me new colors with which to paint my percussive canvas! Your post was heartwarming and please know that most drummers I have met over the years were overly critical of their level of "talent", minus those who thought they knew it all and didn't know jack, lol. Thanks for your post.
Great vid mate. Im wondering about grip position as I prefer my thumb more on top of the stick which is very different to your grip but the technique still works should I be adjusting my grip or is it just whatever is comfortable for the individual?
I think a good idea would be to get a good set of big marching sticks eg the Ralph Hardiman marching sticks - really helps . Good work out . Great to play on the kit. Minimum effort .. maximum volume and crack . Shotgun Head shots all the way -
Good stuff ! What stick weight ya recommend ? Kinda a beginner. Played years ago now retired getting back into it
Hey there, thanks for the video! My problem is that my drum teacher always tells me to avoid holding the stick loose and hold it tight. While mist other videos in the internet i saw advises to hold the stick loose, what should I do?
Stephen sorry if the question is stupid but do you have a video on how to make single strokes and double strokes sound the same . If you don't could you do one. It seems phenomenally impossible to get it right
this is good, but have a look at thomas lang about accenting the second note to get the doble stroke rolls nice and even. But this technique of using your fingers is good for fast death metal.
The use of a pillow or something with no rebound is good to build strength in your hands.
The bounce trchnique would be cool for jazz where softer playing is in vogue.
Can you overlap both bounces? Like start to hit with your other hand before the second hit of your first hand?
I absolutely am having the same issue. I can do them really fast and clean and really slow up to 130 BPM but to get past 130 to 140 is really hard to transition from very controlled to not very controlled
These videos have been so helpful for me! They're great. I really struggle getting my fingers going 😂
You don't need to use your fingers with a double stroke roll. You bounce the sticks using ONLY your wrist. The fingers just stay on the stick. You play THROUGH the drum, with slightly more bend in the wrist that what is needed to make contact with the head. When you play fast, there is NOT TIME to use fingers, and you can't use fingers when you play fast patterns with doubles. Work on playing evenly without squeezing or accenting the secondary beat or snapping the fingers. It can be done, and that's what all intermediate/advanced players do. They do NOT snap the fingers or use finger control. I demonstrate this here: th-cam.com/video/10DSn3VeJG0/w-d-xo.html
Tbh, Push-pull has worked the best for me
So what happens to the theory of accenting the second note for clean doubles? Or, the upstroke?
This is the best way to look at it. Jim Chapin's video and Drum Ape's are the best I've seen on youtube. You HAVE to try and snap that second stroke to try and get it louder than the first in order for it to be even.
Stephen my right hand always play french grip,is this problem to play doubles?
I noticed your right hand has a slight double wrist motion on the doubles and your left is just one wrist motion. Is that pretty normal? I noticed my right hand has a slightly different feel to it and this video makes me think perhaps that's normal and I should just get used to it. Or should I be working on trying to make the motions identical?
Using mathstick grip is it normal for my weak hand to have a SLIGHTLY different grip than my doninant? For example my right hand does doubles like a dream but my left still struggles because my fingers twist the stick and it moves up and down the snare. If i twist my hand a little and my grip i find it feels better. Is that normal? Or should they be identical?
But how do you get the stick to bounce if you're holding it tightly? The two surely contradict each other?
I wouldn't use this exercise at all. Its like cheating or a quick fix. If you want to improve your doubles, just practice the Stone killer #2 exercise instead. Thomas Lang has a great TH-cam video explaining it. It'll build your chops and strengthen your wrists. No cheating involved. Also, keep your wrists further apart than Stephen here. Keep the sticks at least an 80 degree angle, preferably 90. Palms facing down as much as possible. That is, unless you want recurring tendonitis for the rest of your life. And for all things holy, keep your pinky on the stick. Not to be critical or anything.
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I'm a couple months shy of playing for 2 years. I feel like I've really hit a wall with regard to speed. I watch these videos, I try to keep nice and loose yet controlled strokes. But regardless of this I can only move my wrists so fast. I keep wondering if using an e-kit is contributing to my problem. In other words am I not getting the same rebound I would expect to receive on real drum heads? Then I find it difficult to manage having enough downward power to my stroke and then using the rebound to set myself up for that next stroke. My drum instructor hasn't been helpful with this. We spend so much time on grooves but seemingly no time on technique. My biggest roadblock is finding any other instructors locally. Either they don't exist or they simply aren't interesting in teaching a 50-year old drummer, despite my willingness and devotion to learn. It's all very frustrating. ;)
hey, I know its an year old video but i'm curious about the song at the very end. if any of you guy know the title and came across this comment, please let me know
sticked doubles with the wrist vs “diddles” a bounced double
Ya, he didn't really cover open stroke versus closed/moeller/multibounce stroke. What happens when you need to pull off clean doubles on a non-responsive surface with little to no rebound? ...open stroke! ;)
Big difference in technique/training muscle memory.
I placed my ride cymbal near-vertical a la Nicko McBrain
Oh boy, I could play much faster that way! I think everybody should try it out at least once in their life :) just out of curiousity
In my experience "squeezing" and "forcing" the one's grip while playing doubles/rebound at any speed will only lead to disadvantages behind the drums. Think of this advice if it were given to a young violinist, "squeeze and force your grip of the bow" ... we drummers will never move forward with a generally acknowledged school of technique for the drumset if we don't start thinking about what we put out as information.
Scusate ecco come uno non impara bene il doppio colpo sbagliatissimo.I due colpi devono essere uguali al mio paese il doppio colpo è tata no
Ummm, open versus closed stroke, moeller and multibounce versus wrist and finger, matched versus traditional versus French grip, technique used on a nonresponsive versus responsive surface, etc.??
Sure, this all works well using closed stroke on a responsive snare head, but what about playing open stroke on a pillow or on 18" toms with little rebound? There's a big difference in training your muscle memory to operate from pinching your fulcrum point and controlling rebound, to using and having good open stroke doubles, no matter the surface you're playing on.
It's all fun and physics, until someone loses their doubles! ;)
I wish it was that simple with hand drums. Lol
Oh well, gee, I had been playing the doubles after all, I thought I had been cheatin all this while by bouncin the stick. Oof
If you have an open mind, try the "Udo Masshoff snare tuning trick" right here on TH-cam. You still need to do your practicing.
I am still not able to get any rebound from anything soft like my leg or pillows. I'm very frustrated. I would love to see slow-mo of pillow rebounds cause something has to be bringing the stick back up. If it's not a rebound then it must be the fingers picking the stick up before the second stroke. What am I missing? Ugh!!
Just to clarify what I mean, if there is NO rebound to bring the first stroke back up then the fingers must be doing it or else a two stroke roll is impossible.
Help. idk what to comment. shit umm. Nice viddd hahahaaaa...
is it only or does his drumsticks look they are going to fall apart
Stephen, you should not use pressure when you are playing the double stroke roll. A much easier method to teach is to play "through" the drum, not "to" the drum, which is what you are doing. What happens is that the wrists bend slightly more than what is required to just make contact with the drum. You are changing the fulcrum point when you do this, which allows you to get an even secondary bounce. Using pressure just teaches bad habits. You can play a double stroke roll evenly and SLOWLY if you play "through" the drum. Using the fingers for the secondary beat is NOT NECESSARY at all. You do not need to squeeze the stick or snap the fingers. The secret is playing through the drum, with that tiny extra follow-through. Finger control exercises do NOT have ANYTHING to do with a double stroke roll. Your best snare drummers are DRUM CORPS players, and they use WRIST ONLY with a follow-through. I demonstrate how all of this is done here: th-cam.com/video/10DSn3VeJG0/w-d-xo.html
vid starts at 5 min
If you want to skip the basic part.
first
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Nobody asked you Patrice!!!!
Yikes
can you say the same things with fewer words please? 🙏😀
I actually appreciate him going ino detail.
Easier said than done bucko. Why don't you show us how your method has helped you master the DS roll? Maybe because you can't really do it either?
too much of talking and very les demo.