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To part 2 • Badfinger Doc 2 of 6 From Wiki: Badfinger originated with a band out of Swansea, South Wales in 1961 called The Panthers. The Panthers' featured lineup contained Pete Ham (lead guitar), Ron Griffiths (bass guitar), Roy Anderson (drums), and David 'Dai' Jenkins (guitar). After a handful of moniker changes, in 1964 they settled on The Iveys, named after a street called Ivey Place in Swansea.
By March 1965, Mike Gibbins had joined as the drummer and the band graduated to backing locally such UK national groups as the Spencer Davis Group, The Who, The Moody Blues and The Yardbirds. By June of 1966, the band had been taken on by a manager named Bill Collins, who was renting a home at 7 Park Avenue, Golders Green, London, where the whole band moved in with another UK act called The Mojos. The group performed briefly as a backing band for David Garrick ("Dear Mrs. Applebee") but continued to perform as themselves across the UK throughout the rest of the decade. In 1967, Jenkins was asked to leave the group due to a lack of seriousness. and he was replaced by a Liverpudlian guitarist Tom Evans of Them Calderstones, the band's first non-Welsh member.
As a well-received stage act on the London circuit, performing a wide range of covers from Motown, blues, soul to Top 40, psychedelic pop, and Beatles, The Iveys consistently garnered interest from record labels. Ray Davies of The Kinks auditioned to produce them by recording three of their songs at a demo studio in London. However, it was not until Mal Evans, the longtime "roadie" for The Beatles and an employee of their Apple Records label, took up their cause that they were finally signed to a label -- Apple -- on 23 July 1968, the first artists signed to the label. Griffiths later said in a Mojo magazine interview: "The ultimate goal was to get a recording contract, but to get one from Apple was really exciting. Yet we were still living at Golders Green, getting £8 a week each."[2] Mal Evans had pushed several demo tapes of the group to each of the individual Beatles and got approval for signing them from Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Ringo Starr and John Lennon, who couldn't believe they were recorded on a sound-on-sound 2-track tape recorder. Each of The Iveys was also signed to Apple Corps' Apple Publishing.
The Iveys released their first single worldwide, "Maybe Tomorrow" (a Tom Evans song), in late 1968. It reached the Top Ten in a number of European countries and Japan, but only rated #67 on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 and failed to chart in the UK. Another Evans composition, "Storm in a Teacup", was included in an Apple EP produced to promote Walls Ice Cream, along with songs by other original Apple artists James Taylor, Mary Hopkin and Jackie Lomax.
Due to the chart success of "Maybe Tomorrow" in Europe and Japan, a follow-up Iveys single was released in July of 1969, "Dear Angie" (a Griffiths song), but only in those markets. The Iveys album, entitled Maybe Tomorrow, was issued only in Italy, Germany and Japan in 1969. Plans to release in the UK and U.S. were halted for reasons never made entirely clear by Apple. The most prominent rumor is that Apple Corps president Allen Klein personally stopped the releases due to his desire to re-organize the label and solidify his control over it.
McCartney gave The Iveys a boost when he offered them the chance to record and release "Come And Get It," a song he had written for the soundtrack of the film The Magic Christian. McCartney went on to produce the song for the band, as well as the group's original compositions of "Carry On Till Tomorrow" (commissioned as the main title theme) and "Rock Of All Ages." These three tracks would appear both in the film and soundtrack album. Ron Griffiths became ill midway during the sessions, and Tom Evans had to play bass on "Rock Of All Ages."
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Matovina's book Without You: The Tragic Story Of Badfinger is brilliant. HIS book is allegedly why VH-1 did this doc. I hope it gets reissued so many of you get to read it. He has been quoted he thought this documentary was just o.k. and should have been more hard-hitting. Maybe another one will get done some day.
Yes, Dan wrote one heck of a book. He just sent me a 2nd copy of Without You: The Tragic Story Of Badfinger. It's so difficult to read the end without crying and it took him over 25 years to write it. I totally agree with you. The legendary Badfinger should be honored in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. It is certainly long overdo.
I have that marvellous book and it tells the story far better than this documentary can - that is not to say this a lousy doco at all , it's just the Americanisation and air of commercialism into every single revelation gets on my tits ... The evil fucking management who destroyed these fine young lives should all fry in hell in perpetuity..... I bet a lot of people are unaware that Nilsson's big hit 'WITHOUT YOU' was a Pete Ham song.
@@EnosEverything why didnt Paul step in and sue the record company of Badfinger?
@@merlinidlehands3302 Don't know the answer to that Merlin...In hindsight something should have been done.. It's similar to the prick who fleeced The Small Faces and I presume there are loads more cases where some arsehole took advantage of the bands/artists who had made them wealthy in the first place... Luckily there are people who genuinely care for the artists they represent , but in the hustle and bustle of the late sixties music scene there were those who saw the opening for a quick thousand bucks / quid and trampled all over those who slaved away at their behest.
@@EnosEverything thank you for getting back with me
Badfinger should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
without a doubt
+David Ball YEAH,ALONG TIME AGO,GO FIGURE
Very Beatles like band only an American band ....
No doubt. I never knew who was behind these songs that I loved until now. I assumed it was just a bunch if one-hit wonders, not ONE band! Stunning.
I absolutely agree...breaks my heart remembering what happened to the band 💔
It wasn't " bad " management, it was
" criminal " management .
Better than 98% of the bands (now).
This is the most underrated band ever. They never made it big but should have.
Bad finger could have been one of the greatest bands ever ever their songs are timeless they'll never be forgotten
Tbh they never were as good as on their Apple debut
I'm 18 and I got into Badfinger at 10 years old. I own all their albums and interview Bob Jackson once. I love Badfinger. I wish more people liked them.
Here in Ireland,I have liked them since they hit the charts....still do now i am 70!!!
The saddest story ever in the history of music. Brings a tear to my eyes and I am 54!
my friend's dad promoted a few of their shows and said these were the nicest guys and he said was such a tragedy - they were great talented musicians who got screwed big time
We don't get bands like this anymore.
Make me feel sick. Great Band. Great people. Stinkin shame.
Shame! Shame! Shame! what their manager done to them ...LOST, 2 of the best t singers by their own hand....even the drummer is dead at 56...what a crying shame. this band was so talented.....God Bless Them,
Mike Gibbins died in October 2005.
What a bloody tragedy. This makes me so angry.
Did anyone ever go after the thief who stole their money and pushed him over the edge… This story should be told and their families and remaining members paid.
my dad lived up the road from Pete ham in the 70s this is pop saddest story I have ever heard Pete and Tommy would have been wealthy men now only because of Stan polley greed they are not here now
I almost didn't want to watch this after the first two minutes,it's tragic
The only justice is nobody remembers or cares who that guy was and his legacy,if anything,is greed and slime but many people around the world remember and love those songs. I didn't even say the guy's name because fuck him
pete ham's brother john ham, owned a shop in swansea's city centre back in the 60's and my father, also being one of wales's top musician knew him and was really good mates with him. My fathers other mate was also led zeppelins roadie. So much interesting stuff and some of the biggest and best bands in the world came from swansea. Im extremely proud to also be a Musician myself. Swansea all the way. and im only 18 years old
There are many Stan Polleys in this world and musicians seem to be fertile ground for them.
“The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.”
Hunter S. Thompson
Even without attributing the quote to anyone I think a lot of people would've known who said it;)
The most underrated band I ever seen
Their Album " Straight Up" has always been in my Top 5! Loved them! I did love Todd`s work with them though..The song`s were much better than the original`s.
They were the 1st band I ever saw in concert. It was in Chicago. I also bought & loved their album 'Straight Up '. Such a sad ending to a great band.
I grew up in the 60's and I am ashamed to say that I thought some of Badfingers songs was the Beatles!!
sandra mcpherson
No need to be ashamed. Even one of the sound guys in the studio said he'd have to look over and make sure that it wasn't one of the Beatles singing. It's perfectly understandable. They idolized the Beatles and they were the first band signed by Apple records. Their first hit was written by Paul, George played on and produced some songs.
So it's really no wonder they would sound like the Beatles. A great example of that is try listening to the band The Knickerbockers and their song "lies", most would bet the farm saying they were listening to the Beatles.
Paul McCartney is just the king of understatements,John's "it's a drag",Pete Ham suicide "no need",Mark David Chapman "the jerk of all jerks". Easy Paul,you don't need to use such strong language. I knew Hitler was rude to Eva Braun in that bunker but you don't have to point it out to everyone
Love, and Tom Evans sings like an angel.
God, PETE had the most beautiful voice! The closest to his mentor Paul McCartney Ive EVER heard!!! YOU FEEL THE PAIN in his voice in "Day after Day" Does anyone know what girl broke his heart????
Yes. A beautiful song.
R I P,, Pete, TOM, and MIKE, legends, period.
Such a great band. You hear about bad management and contracts that burn the band, but no one ever learns who these crooks are. Do other bands hear of their deceitful ways? Do we know who those people are?
According to Wikipedia, Polley died on July 20, 2009. Let us all rejoice. Hopefully somewhere in some smoky hell his eyeballs and testicles are roasting slow and hot.
Thank god this is finally on youtube: THANK YOU
RIP sweet angels Pete and Tom and Mike!
"HE SAID... I'M GONNA KILL MESELF!"
- a tasteful contribution from Joey!
I was a fourteen yr old girl when come and get it was released. It was such feel good music. It was happy music.
I found this story so compelling I went on eBay to get Dan Matovina's Book about Badfinger.
What an incredibly talented group of guys.
Pete Ham & Tom Evans would have become the Lennon-McCartney for a new generation.
I just got the Very Best of Badfinger CD and have been listening over and over at the Gym.
Incredibly moving and poignant music.
Now if we could only get VH1 to make the DVD available.
Pretty sad.
I loved "Straight Up' when I was a kid.
One of the first albums that I ever bought.
greatness in abundance,
Quality comment from a man who understands great music.
great eye opener for the uneducated badfinger fans,cracking documentary,,
I wonder why Paul McCarthy and Apple didn't follow through and help them with someone like Brian Epstein to guide their careers?
@milesofsmiles2 at least lynyrd sknyrd were never broke, and they were very succesful, but that airplane accident was one of the most tragic incicdents in music history.
Thank You for posting this Documentary, Julie!!!!
It's unforgivable that Badfinger got such a shitty manager who refused to help the band flourish.
Jason Carpp he got his justice
+Jason Carpp MANAGE BY STAN POLLY,SATIN HIMSELF
I've heard of him. He was the worst manager ever. He was worst than Satan. :(
R. I. P. Pete, Tom and Mike, God bless you!
this is a pretty good documentary, but I also recommend the Dan Matavina book.... they were an amazingly talented band
The two Badfinger👥 were not bound for glory....They were very much talented❣ but there was in them a feebleness, or just not enough 'nerve' to push their way through💪...I still cry 😢when I hear their master piece"Without you❤" and "Baby Blu💙" !. I hope we will find them again, in another time, another try, in a better,🙏 joyful condition🌻🔥✨💋
Whats the song at 3:42 ? Sounds awesome! Great doc, great band, tragic story.
THANKS SO MUCH, AS MY ALL TIME FAVE GROUP, AS SAD AS IT TURNED OUT TO BE, IS GOOD TO SEE THEM BEING RECOGNIZED AND APPRECIATED.
Scott Jensen, chek out my Baby Blue tribute
I loved them then, I love them now
If anyone made a movie about Badfinger, this would be the most sadist story ever for "Real Life". Not the so called shit they put on tv right now.
This song is called "Rock of All Ages"....it's on their first album, Magic Christian Music, as well as on some compilations.
It’s the B-side of the come and get it single. The first single. I played it over and over when I was a kid probably the first hard rock song I got used to. Eventually I liked it better than the A side
Such a sad and tradgic band with great music r.i.p
been waiting for a doc to show up here on youtube...thank goodness...thank you so so so much !
Sad tale of natural musical greatness ruined by greed...the girl was right...we did lose innocence. Betryal once again stops greatness. Yet, their music lives on.
Beatles could have helped them, but they chose to look the other way. SAD
So far, this is amazing!
I can't wait to watch the rest- this completely made my day!
Even though I am a very new Badfinger fan, I've been waiting for something like this for that long!
Thanks!!!!
Its amazing how many great bands of the 60's and 70's were broke due to bad management. One only need to look at the example set by the great master Jimi Hendrix who did not even have 10$ in his bank account Yet his manager had a bag of money with a big bag of Heroin and a gun on top. What is wrong with this scene . Why are great artists always destined to be starving and hardshipped. Naivety is a terrible excuse but most artists aren't in it for the money. Its what they are ...Music...
Pete & Tommy remind me of two halves, of one heart❤
Great band,we saw them several times in Indy,too bad it turned out the way it did!
WOW , that song at around 1;20 ..I've heard it before and its awesome. I didnt know this band ..HOW ? They were excellent n wow Macca wrote their 1st hit....omg the Beatles are a music machine n da BEST =)
This makes me cry. I play guitar for yrs and I can't imagine they were fucked around so much. That's the word I'm using because that's what it was. They have some beautiful songs.
I DON'T THINK PAUL MCCARTNEY WOULD HELP AN OLD LADY CROSS THE STREET .
@robharding1957 I'm 28 and I love Badfinger (though I didn't get a chance to interview anybody from the band). I, too, am saddened that more attention is not paid.
Cool. Great footage. Buy the book Without You: The Tragic Story Of Badfinger to really flesh it all out. You'll be in tears...
Host: 'And you're?" Joey: "Stoned" Haha! Just classic.
Because him & The rest of The Beatles had bigger problems between themselves & Allen Klein. Read the book "You'll Never Give Me Your Money" and check out how it was a big mess after the break up.
Great, great, great band!
@1969MustangMACH1 You got that! I can't believe that more people don't know about Badfinger.
i am a year older than pete daughter but this band were amazing shame they did'nt get their money and the suicides of pete and tommy the younger generation needs to hear this band music
I bought their records and adored them. Baby Blue was my favorite of all and I had that on a 45. This is a sad story.
i am looking fordward to seeing it, i just discovered this group...
I remember them well. Too bad what happened to them. I always wondered where they went. Sad.
Great Doc, about Badfinger.
Thanks for posting. I have had the video for years from VHI Behind the scenes. One of my fave bands while in high school. Still cry when I watch this.
Yeah Ian Ferguson said it all Great people, sad ending. And he knew them well.
Well Pete, Amy Winehouse is coming to see you guys right now.
The Club of 27 is Rockin in Heaven Today!
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R.I.P. Pete, Jimi, Jim, Janis, Amy and others.
I agree! They most certainly deserve their place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. If it weren't for the evil and corrupt manager, Polley (sp?), they would have probably remained with Apple and had brilliantly productive musical careers. ❤❤❤❤❤
Thanks so much for sharing this.
its great to see some belated recognition for one of this country,s greatest ever bands who really were that good,,cream always rises to the top and is currently undergoing some kind of belated rebirth for want of a better word,
Es William Campbell no Paul McCartney y Badfinger son musicos buenos no mediocres ppara que los manejen otro mas mediocre
Great band with great songs pete ham lived in surrey
thanx SO MUCH for uploading!!!
jethro, great to hear bout another young badfinger fan who found this great band even though they were at their peak before you were born, they just keep coming as the years pass, new music is seldom the best,nice story young man,
Great, great songs, lovely harmonies, killer rock guitar sounds and tones. Songs that would catch your ear immediately.
Yes! Thanks for putting this up. Haven't seen this is years. Great band, sad story.
This is such a goddamn disgusting story of a great band ! It makes so mad !
I Hate GREED !!!
Wales 😭
Paul has a cheek ring on her and being so cheery. Couldn’t he and his band mates have helped them out business wise and financially? Does Paul have anything to say??
My opinion, and we all can have them, they were BETTER THAN THE BEATLES.
I LOVE you for posting this!! Have been searching everywhere. :D
D pioneers of rock and roll. Too bad they were short lived but otherwise gained popularity in a very short time..
Couldn't this good band have thought up a better name for itself????
oh this brings make memores they were brilliant ,,,thanks sunsets xxxhugs to you both m,,,,,,,,,,,shame!! i remember my first disoc dances to their songs,,,,,,,,beautiful xxxxbabs
I'm sorry, but Baby Blue grates on me. It feels like it's in the wrong key.
@Nathan G.....the song is called "Rock Of All Ages" and csn be found on "Music From The Magic Christian" as well as "The Very Best Of Badfinger".
can.... sorry.
sad that true artist that write songs and have talent like peter ham and joey evans,got shafted!and lost their dreams and life the way they did for money as others made it bs!i live in newyork,hate it anybody wants to be a friend in on myspace jonharvey.love these guys.thanks for memories even before my time.
What year was this documentary recorded?
Bill Collins in his younger years looks very much like his son in his later years.
Thank you so much for posting this!!
What a sad story when you get into bed with a snake you will get bitten they should have been more clued up to the world they were getting in to
This music is available on iTunes.
I don't know how their thieving manager is not in prison.
They needed a great manager and great lawyer who knew how to take care of their interest.
The actual story begins at 4:30. Not all that good a bio, but love the band.
Too many stories of management being greedy
Why aren`t they in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame?
Bsdfinger were truly dealt a Bad Hand