Professor and Student argument about the Existence of God - Atheist vs Christian debate
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- Did God create evil?
A University professor at a well known institution of higher learning challenged his students with this question. "Did God create everything that exists?"
A student bravely replied, "Yes he did!"
"God created everything?" The professor asked.
"Yes sir, he certainly did," the student replied.
The professor answered, "If God created everything; then God created evil. And, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then we can assume God is evil."
The student became quiet and did not answer the professor's hypothetical definition. The professor, quite pleased with himself, boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.
Another student raised his hand and said, "May I ask you a question, professor?"
"Of course", replied the professor.
The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"
"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?"
The other students snickered at the young man's question.
The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460 F) is the total absence of heat; and all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."
The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"
The professor responded, "Of course it does."
The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact, we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color.
You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."
Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"
Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, as I have already said. We see it everyday. It is in the daily examples of man's Inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.
To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil".
So evil is the result of what happens when we CHOOSE to draw away from God. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light. The Bible tells us that God ALONE is good (Matt. 19:17) and all goodness comes from God (James 1:17). This means that there is no place where true goodness can be found unless God is there. But suppose there is no goodness present, what is it that remains? Evil remains! Where goodness exists evil cannot exist, but as soon as good is gone, immediately all that is present is evil. So we can understand why God is referred to as “light.” When God’s spirit is present and God is in control, sin cannot remain. It is only when God’s spirit is withdrawn, when God is not in control that sin can appear. Sin is in essence simply the condition which arises with the absence of God. It is that other side which manifests itself whenever the presence of God is withdrawn.
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Everyone is debating the existence of God, but I'm wondering why the teacher in the background is writing maths equations in a philosophy lesson 👌
only the Doctor would pick up something like that. Oh sorry, I meant *John Smith*
Max Dwiar shhhhh
John Smith 🤐
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Perhaps because maths is the only universal language we have. The numbers stand over us all, like sentinels.......or maybe God.
The problem is that the student can't prove the existence of god. and the teacher can't prove the none existence of god.
Simon Bigras ye
You cannot prove that "God" doesn't exist because that's a negative claim. You can't prove a negative claim.
Simon Bigras God created every thing so no one can show that God does not exist.
Dharmraj Singh yeah, that was my point. Have a nice day!
People weak from mind stay with the belief that god exists
I already know this didn't happen and I'm 4 seconds in while typing this. Plus, it would be illegal for the Professor to purposely try to target and disprove a student's religion
Then you better tell the professor that because there are professors on Earth that don't believe in the existence of God, yet actually hold a conversation WITH students concerning religion.
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There are professors who do that.
Im fairly sure they can have a conversation about it, so long as its judt a conversation or something like that
well it doesnt mean it wouldnt happen but we dont know what professor it was, what school it was, what student it was, we are meant to believe a student of university would be able at a relatively young age to use einsteins argument at his favor, i guess thats the point of this video, we have to belive that this happened, but he is wrong on 1 thing, death isnt the abcsence of life, you dont call the unborn dead yet they dont have life, death is the end of life as we know it, not the end of energy though
Yeah, this was pretty obviously created by someone who has never set foot in an actual college classroom. The people who make up this garbage about how terrible college is, have obviously never darkened the doorway of an actual merit based institution. Maybe one of those religious indoctrination schools like Liberty or Bob Jones University but not a real school.
They left out the part where Albert Einstein rose from the grave, walked in the classroom, handed the student a crisp $100 bill and everyone applauded.
Yea trust me that wouldn't have happened...
@@kakmaster6945 that, sir, is the point of the joke
@@joemama425 That's why Christianity is also a joke
@dont be negative You're right, it wouldn't have, because you would have to be bat shit crazy to believe the students irrelevant argument.
@@kakmaster6945 as a christian, I think most of the bible stories were meant to be metaphors and lessons on life, but I also have the decency to leave a good joke to what it is; a joke
Time to read the arguments and quarrels in the comment section!
Yep..
I'll get the popcorn
Yes it is
why do I like this, have I become netizen now?
Quarrel quarrel rage argue argue
Did this happen ?
23% no
77% no
Mindless Parrot
Basically what did happen was a professor asked kids if god exists why did he create evil? A student raised his hand and asked if he knew what darkness was,and then he said darkness is only an absence of light,and evil is the absence of god. The student was Albert Einstein
@@Helioo11
albert einstein was an atheist lol
@@rudolfcsampai9549 Actually no he was not. He said that he believes that there has to be a higher force that has created perfection like our world is,look it up!
Precisely he was a pantheistic believer in spinochas god
Everyone is talking about how this is obviously fake, but no one is saying why. This "philosophy" professor is the worst philosophy professor I've ever encountered. If this conversation had happened in a class, I would have dropped it in a second. Not because I was offended by the professor's beliefs but because of the professor's lack of knowledge and understanding of philosophy.
How dafuq did he become a philosophy professor?
God is Good coping and cheating and etc...
@@gigachad-jh1dh Hahahah...
Thank you!!!!
To be honest im stuck on this lack of knowledge in biology, and the sciences. What class is this where the teacher knows nothing about philosophy but teaches it, and nothing about biology, but teaches it too.
It is truly a wonder seeing so many fallacies and equivalence errors in one short video. Whats even more sad is that anyone is convinced by this.
Not everyone, friend. I want to take the brain of the student and put it in a jar labelled "THIS IS NOT A BRAIN".
@@antonionacionreluya8707 then what do you think is a brain then? By the way do you know who's the student is? They say he's Einstein! Are you brainier than Einstein?
@@troytrillions9125 So is your argument that Einstein was smart, therefore this argument is smart? Stephen Hawking was smart, he didn’t believe in God, so does God therefore not exist? I wouldn’t make that argument myself either, because that’s not something you can use to determine truth.
well cold is absence of kinetic energy of our molecules and it's a lose term something is colder in relation to something like 0 is colder than 1 but 0 I hotter than -1 darkness is just absence of photons human brain one is just stupid and I beliv ein evolution sooo yeah no but we cant also say definitely that god doesnt exist but we also cant be definite in his or her or whatever it is existence so what was wrong in this video other than brain and evolution one
the comment section is in a worse war then any war before
True that bro true that
Your almost at 5k subs
Why do people use Then instead of Than? Stay in school!
U hit 5k
Can we get 5000 subscribers with no videos? Deus vult infidel
Im just surprised how the professor doesn’t know that cold and darkness are the absences of heat and light
yup i learn that in like year 7?
He must not have a brain then.
oh fudge :/
Five bucks says this story is just made up
We don't see the conversation, just a lot of writing. We aren't told their names. All we are told is a nice story "proving" a point of view. If it's not made up, it might as well be.
I laughed my head off at the part where the student said that the professor had no brain.
You see? He contradicted himself in concluding that the professor has no brain. He most likely took it in his biology class that every human has a brain. If the professor has no brain, neither does he.
teacher:
how DARE you USE MY words AGAINST me?!
When a sponge has water on it is considered wet, if there is an absence of water it is considered dry and since dry is the opposite of wet I have the right to believe that this entire argument is flawed
You cracked religion wide open. It's a pile of logical fallacies in trenchcoat pretending to be Intelligent and rational.
@@Chronicskillness If God doesn’t exist then why does ANYTHING exist?
@@flynnrider2871 if something didn't create god, god wouldn't exist.
And if god existed?
There wouldn't be any need for millions of people online using logical fallacies and manipulation tactics to try and convince others to join the "do everything I say, give me 10% of your income and cut your foreskin off" cult.
@@Chronicskillness God wasn’t created. God always existed. God also made time. The creation isn’t above its creator. So if God made time then he isn’t effected by it.
@@flynnrider2871 Here's what you can't do: you can't use logic to try and prove your argument... then when logic is used to falsify your argument...
try to use logic by saying "logic doesn't apply to my argument".
And include a beyond irrational claim that even if true, doesn't dismiss my point.
Like I said: a bunch of logical fallacies in a trenchcoat.
That was the wrong way to handle that. If the teacher is an atheist fine. If he wants to preach about that, fine, but he shouldn't try to tell students god doesn't exist. I'm not Christian btw. I'm an atheist myself. But it's still the persons choice to follow a religion.
Gumi Swimming true but I’m catholic and think that there has to be some sort of God or creator because even if we evolved from monkeys than where did the monkeys come from??
Gumi Swimming at least you understand
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Rubik's Gaming i am pretty much a beginner. I know intuitive f2l but it slows me down because I need more practice. My best is somewhere between 30 and 40 and my average is like 50. I mainly practice 2x2, but I like big cubes like 6x6
"If a tree falls in a forest with nobody around to hear it, does it still make a sound?" 😶💭
Alex Duncan it’s a stupid riddle. no shit it does, that’s like saying “if you turn a lamp on and nobody is around, is it really on?”
@@c.yr0623 the point is that u can't prove it, it's kinda based on the simulation theory which indeed could possibly be true as there could have been a much smarter civilization, basically the only way to prove it is for u or a camera to be there but u could still argue that since someone or something is there, it will make a sound then
Slav King oh wow...I am..wow thank you that is mind lifting also, another atheist I see? Agreeee
People are actually dumb if they don’t think that a tree doesn’t make a sound of someone is around it
Artist In Music someone has to be around to turn a lamp chap. But sometimes trees fall all by themselves.
This turned out to be a never ending debate
It's not up to anyone to disprove if God real or not. A believer is making a claim that this particular entity is real, it's up to him/her to prove it. A none believer makes no such claims. They are just asking for testable scientific evidence. Just like if someone comes to you and claims that they saw a dragon, you would ask them for evidence. It would be not up to you to disprove of the dragon.
Spot on
The burden of proof should always be on the one who claims that he/she have seen God 🤷 it's pretty simple
@@blockbyblock4078 True, but sometimes it's also on the non-believers like me to disprove it, and its simple to disprove the omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent deity by simply questioning someone with the Omnipotent Paradox, Omniscience and Free Will Paradox, and the Problem of Evil argument.
God loves all of you.. Amen
@@johmierosales9168 no he doesn't
I tried this with my principal now I'm searching for another school XD
do tell...
Stag Gamers yeah please tell us why your principal broke the law and kicked you out of school for arguing with him about God’s existence or did you mean to say that you left the school because he could not be disproved either way your story would be a lie as long as you lived in America at least.
@@davidshaver7765 oh god did u saw that XD after my sentence....That was just sarcasm...
LoL👌🤣
Good! God has a new, better place for you! God is good!
If there is no evil
There is no good
If there is no death
There is no life
If there is no evil then there is no evil. If there is no death then there is no death.
It's fun to play with words.
Joey Crimson sort of. Those practically immortal organisms can continue to reproduce but at some point each singular cell will die
Nothing is true.
Everything is permitted
OK now let's go stab random people with blades hidden in our arms.
Wouldn't make sense to die before you live
@@Flawlessx69 they can still be killed by something that means that they are not immortal at all , that is so called *death* ...when something stops functioning , dissapears etc , so youre not right , how does your arogance feel now ?
Who else came here just for the music?
I came here cause I don't know the name of the music 😁
Professer:Have you seen GOD
Me:Have you seen air?
Exoposed
Air can be understood, detected and observed in a multitude of different ways, and even bottled. You can't do anything like that with any gods.
Then who created universe? Aliens.
johmie rosales haha
@@Maksie0 faith.
air can be felt dumbass
This story is fake. A professor would never debate a student about religion unless the student asked it.
Edit: please stop bombarding me with "my teacher did." I now understand that it does happen, I had just never seen it before as teachers aren't allowed to do that in my country.
Yes it is. So are all of these "little christian beating the big bad atheist" videos. This one in the lower level of believable, but it is a little better than most.
It;s time to get some real script writers that can give out something that is, at least, in the realms of the believable.
grumpy sod agreed. This is one of the weakest arguments I have ever seen for a god.
Kieran Nolan 1) it's an example smart ass 2) yes he would (or she)
HarmLessBush Gaming have you ever had that happen to you? I'm pretty sure teachers aren't allowed to do that in my country.
HarmLessBush Gaming and even if they were allowed to, most atheists don't care what you believe in, and teachers want respect from their students, and spontaneously questioning someone's beliefs for no reason isn't a very good way to gain respect.
Professor: God is not real.
Student: He's real.
Professor: How can you say so? Can you see God?
Student: No.
Professor: Can you touch God?
Student: No.
Professor: Then he's not real.
Student: Can you see your brain?
Professor: No.
Student: Can you touch you're brain?
Professor: No.
Student: Then you don't have a brain.
It's just a joke please don't do this in your class.
Unknown Person
Professor:but when i die someone can touch my brain proving that my brain exist
can you see god in a CT scan?
Unknown Person I saw this at insta
Unknown Person
Professor: If you knew what a brain is u could.
Unknown Person well well unknown person if we crack the professors head we will be able to see and touch it can u do the same with god ?
Amen I will share this.
its very weird how someone would say that darkness doesn't exist, darkness is the absence of light, which we have a term for the absence of light, we call it darkness so it exists
He meant that there is no physical quantity called darkness or coldness. There is only temperature (Kelvin) and luminous intensity (candela).
Dark and cold are only words that were made to describe the lack of heat or light. Matter fact you can't measure those. However this whole video makes no sense to me because, first of all Good and Evil have notning to do with physical quantity, second the lack of "good" is not equal to evil, if you think about it.
C'mon ... We all know we CAN touch feel and smell the professors brain, it's just illegal ))
Bentoo
So all we would,have to do is tell you that God exists, but you aren't allowed to look at him.
Your argument for the existence of the professor's brain are identical to Joseph Smith's argument for the existence of the gold plates of Mormon. They are real, too, but you aren't allowed to see them.
"not allowed" isn't the right word here. (I'm talking about christian religion, because I don't know others rules)christian religion tells us that god created people as free creatures and if there is something that god doesn't allow us, that means it is a lie, so be careful what you write next time and one more thing, there's no need to take my comment seriously, because it was a joke.
I touched my professor’s brain day one.......he didn’t come back.
Bentoo 😂😂😂😂
Lol
Biggest wars in the history:
Pewdiepie vs T-series
Germany vs Poland and France
Spinosaurus fanboys vs T. Rex fanboys
Flat earthers vs round earthers
Christians vs Atheists
Please like this
Actually Christians vs muslims
@@TheNinthGenerarion
Not rlly
@@TheNinthGenerarion Muslims don't rlly argue like that
@@TheNinthGenerarion We are like brothers, never! Atheists vs Christians
PrincessQueen Aisha what about the crusades? And the conquests for what is currently Spain? Among many other battles and wars through history?
Oh my goodness I knew as soon as I reached the comment section people are already going off. Lashing out.
This was so amazing😭😱😇
You forgot that everyone has their own belief. I personally belive in the big bang theory but I have full respect to people who belive in God.
agent Δ• Sn6 •Δ this is a good man right here.
Now no swearing please
H E C K
No u
Wrong meme sorry
So is it a coincidence that in the Bible god said let there be light, which created the universe. That completely correlates to your belief.
Now let me say this, is it possible to take nothing & create a book with Intricate pages & colorful pictures & complex sentences. Is it possible to create a book like that from nothing. No it is not.
So what is DNA, DNA is OUR book, full of complex instructions to create us, it’s not possible to create that from nothing which means there has to be a god, & in the Bible it says, “if you seek god you will find him” so if you haven’t yet keep looking because he is there
I love you
finally, someone that doesn't post something that they know will make people angry. jeez I mean what is wrong with some of these people just dont post if you dont agree
agent Δ• Sn6 •Δ May god bless you
agent Δ• Sn6 •Δ i belive in both
So "off" is not the opposite of "on". It's simply the ABSENCE of "on". 😂😂
Bijan Soularie those are two words made by us to define the variability in numbers (which is another thing we created) and the presence and absence in different objects (and I don't want to mention all of the names science uses to relate to different things in objects according to different theories which is also created by us). So it's a mess of thousands of thousands of theories we say everyday. Technically speaking it is, after science took ages to come to this day.
Bijan Soularie 😒 Have you not learned about english, that there is some words in absence of something
That's deep
He talks about dark not existing. Genesis 1:4, God saw that the light was good, and God separated the light from the darkness. One of the most iconic verses counters the students's whole argument.
in fact there isn't such a thing a the opposite 😊
You don't need faith in order to know that humans have a brain bruh
Very touching
This actually happened tho. I was there. Right after it all went down they started making out. It was beautiful really.
I know that didn't happen but
WTH
You have such amaizing imagination
😂
BOSS Potter I like you. You seem very nice.
You wasnt there if you didnt live when einstein did
Ruutui pelailee uhhhhhhh. Yeah I did
Ruutui pelailee yeah where is your proof he wasn't there
have you seen your own brain? have YOU touched you brain?
smelled your brain?
tasted your brain?
felt your brain?
seen your brain?
heard your brain?
No?? then that means you don't have one
Can we get 2000 subscribers with no videos? idiotic comment lmao we can prove the brain because we know it is there because of proof but god we never saw him we never. felt him you may feel loved but phycology can explain that
*cough* *cough* it was a joke *cough* *cough*
I've seen a brain....
Can we get 5000 subscribers with no videos? SOME PEOPLE HAVE BRAINS AND SOME PEOPLE EVEN SAW BRAINS
Can we get 5000 subscribers with no videos? hahahahah
The theoretical professor went wrong by discussing the attributes of the imaginary god before asking for evidence it existed in the first place.
Then the rest of the conversation wouldn't have taken place because there is none.
that's a dumb thing to say, if those attributes in this case god's benevolence give him an obligation to act according to them, if he doesn't act according to them, than that disproves his existence
Teacher was absolutely correct and right👍
The kid was actually correct
i could absolutely see someone's brain through x ray
Well this is not correct, they changed the conversation a little and so the meaning changed by A LOT. It is mostly true until where he stopped talking about cold as absence of heat...
See, I will judge this because this is based of a REAL conversion between Einstein and his middle school teacher. You can make up your story but it is not right to change an existing one!
What actually was said is that “cold is the absence of heat” and it was applied to the concept of “evil is the absence of good” which Einstein said means “evil is the parts of the universe that are yet untouched by god”.
Basically there was no debate on god existence in the first place, the teacher was Christian and made the point that god is evil and that is why Einstein argued with him. The teacher did not pick on him, Einstein just interrupted and said this.
Guys, don’t try to change history! Don’t retell it in your ways, the truth will come up eventually!
LOL Science no God let Evil happen I don’t know why but he let it happen God doesn’t create evil that’s the problem here he lets it happen
J Hedgje HE DOES NOT “LET IT HAPPEN” THAT IS SATIN. SATIN DOES THESE HORRIBLE THINGS TO MAKE POEPLE THINK GOD IS MEAN AND DOES EVIL AND HURTS PEOPLE. IT IS ALL SATIN. Why would God purposefully hurt people? You think he just sits back on his chair and watches people die? Really?
LOL Science I agree
Craft Slime Company he doesn’t do it on purpose of course not he’s a loving God and kind and forgiving God
Craft Slime Company I agree. God is still trying to fight off Saitan and things.
Professor :Who create Evil?😈
I : human beings 😇
Parasites. Did humans create those?
Wrong
Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Who created human beings your all powerful god there fore god created evil
If god is real and all forgiving then why does he need hell to punish his ascenders no Christian in the world could prove that
Fuck off
The concept of God actually being real still isn’t plausible.
Kane Clarke explain b this seems flawed to me. If not who created the universe how is it constantly expanding, is there something beyond the universe such as heaven and hell no one knows our entire existence is based off of THEORIES no one actually knows what happened
Phobic Rapter exactly, but just because it is unexplainable doesn’t automatically mean that a god created all of this. It just is what it is.
Kane Clarke if no god or higher up of sort created this universe we have no propose we were put here for a reason we have a point to our living something has to be outside of our universe to let it be expanding although we can’t figure it out it must be there so something made us we didn’t just appear from thin air bc as you know a little pant must have a starting time point as a seed correct, well who planted all the plants? Did they arise from our molten earth? And if so why don’t other planets have plants and animals? Something or someone put us here for an unknown reason maybe just an experiment.
That's because you aren't too smart
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The problem isnt that hes an atheist, it's that he basically yelled at a student for his beliefs, something that a professor should not do and he should be fired.
You do realise that this script is a religiously motivated fake intended to show that belief trumps education?. The professor and the student are not real people. The discussion never really happened.
*when you know essays are going to be written in the comment section over science and god*
I was super mad at the teacher in the backround even though it wasnt him
@@TaterVG Yeah you are right
SAME
Why were you all mad?
No I wasn't mad now that I think about it, but he looked like he was being asked the same question 20 times
Lol 😂😂
Right now it's COLD outside.
When you accidentally "smELT yoUr gOD" in ur Minecraft Furnace, how much coal does it take btw?
The student said we havent observed evolution, but we have wtf is he talking about
edit he said seen evolution but it doesnt make it false
so you saw one species become another?
We have seen microevolution which is just adaptation, but there has not been any evidence of macroevolution which is when a species turns into another species. Edit: Microevolution doesn't contradict Christianity nor does it condradict biogensis which is a scientific law. Macroevolution contradicts both of those things.
@@Gamerboy365ify thanks for youre comment ill research more next time, btw i dont have anyithing agains cristianity but this video is just a fake deep
It's kind of sad that we humans will argue over petty things like what one should believe or not believe in. So person X is an atheist or person Y is a Christian or person Z is a Muslim, so what? Is it that hard for us a species to support one another regardless of our beliefs or lack thereof? At the end of the day, we share the same land and the same sky.
(This comment will probably be overlooked, but in all honesty I really hope that it touches and affects each and every one of us.)
Well I don't think that is part of our DNA, haha
No, atheist try to get Christians to say God is not real. Christian's are trying to show them love, and the way to Hevan.
@@crazyviolin7954 Um... I don't speak for all atheists, but I only question his existence... and I admit that I can't know for sure if he is real or not. And as long as no one tries to force their religion onto me (in any way), I have no problems with their beliefs
Justin Y's Disciple it wasn’t overlooked by me my friend
Ok
I love this video for one thing, how faith is been illustrate from a perspective of argument of fact not for argument sake
Thanks
It's has still driven by faith
"Can you prove the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist?No. So therefore he exists."
That is literally the logic here
The burden of proof is on the believers and frankly their only proof is a book that we dont even have a copy of a copy of the original and a warm fuzzzing feeling they get. seems they might be short of logic. galielo already proved the earth isn't the center of the universe.
@@riveratrackrunner You could argue the same about Darwin's theory of evolution; all science has for proof of his theory is his writings. But believers of Darwin's theory perhaps see it in nature, hypotheses, and scientific debates, just like believers (whether they be Christian, Jewish, or any other group who believes in a Higher Power) might see God's handiwork in science itself, deep serious study of the Bible and/or other religious scripture, and spiritual discussions. It's all rooted in what your personal preference is as far as what you believe to be true, regardless of any/all tangible or intangible "proof" you have in your knowledge or possession.
If people want to believe there are leprechauns and a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, let them think that; it shows they have a vivid imagination. Let them "discover" for themselves whether or not their "theory" is true or false. (Besides, who can say what's truly at the end of every rainbow? Has anyone ever been?) There's no need at attempting to prove people wrong or tear anyone or their beliefs down, since that doesn't accomplish anything whatsoever, unless you get an icky form of pleasure out of it. Plus, some people might view those actions as demeaning and even unintelligent, and no one really wants to look that way.
Also, did Galileo ever "prove" the earth was not the center of the universe? Heliocentrism was seen as "absurd and foolish," just like Darwinism is today, by the head of churches past and present. The only way we know the earth revolves around the sun, and not vise versa, is through mathematical calculations, scientific estimations, and eventual confirmations through space travel. And there are still people who believe the earth is flat, despite all this "proof," which is, again, why I say to let people believe what they want to believe. Whatever truth is out there will be found one day, and we will all eventually realize how interconnected everything is on a scientific, philosophical, and, yes, spiritual level. Hopefully, we can all get along in the mean time.
@@manaspajamas5071 yeah galileo did prove it so did other prove that he was correct too.. that's why the church had him killed. Because they are sore losers. But yeah if we put differences aside we would accomplish more as a species. I don't see it happening tho.
@@riveratrackrunner Don't give up on us flawed humans just yet. We may have a ways to go to reach a state of harmony, unity, and peace, but we are (slowly yet surely) heading in the right direction.
Thank you for being kind and thoughtful in your reply, even if we might agree to disagree on certain subjects. (Personally, I don't believe the churches themselves are "sore losers," but I do believe the people in them can be, and are, that way to some degree. But hopefully, we are all learning.) That is the beginning of moving forward towards a better tomorrow. Have a lovely, beautiful life! 😊
I'm a Christian and i'm proud to be one.🙌 I believe in God and i do have faith.
But the Christian god isnt good, his son represents good, he is god, therefor he must be nuetral
You can use common sense to prove god doesn't exist.
Do you believe in science, or do you think your little "faith" is better than facts and knowledge
This comment section is so sad lmao
Ryu Kek xD
At least most of the arguments are really really funny
+Max Eidemiller some
are funny indeed but more than funny they are stupid and nonsense. though some are sensible
@@KARTHIKPANCH97 im having fun with replying to some of the arguments here my favorite is you cant prove hes not real if that applied I could say im a alien from 948757 using advanced spoofle technology to mimic all human things and its true because you cant prove its not
Teaching evolution isn't preaching faith, it's conveying factual information based on hard scientific evidence.
Evidence that we came from meteors
@@spig8842 what is your evidence suggesting we came from meteors?
But science can only be used to provide proof to show God exists. Which is what science teachers teach is science provides proof.
Actually that isn't true. Darwinian evolution has never been observed and is impossible to prove. U must rely on faith, faith in a natural process.
@Dino World If u think life is "just" chemistry u have not studied it very well. Life requires order and information, life only comes from life and that is a scientific law. Darwinian Evolution cannot be observed and therefore cannot be proven it is more religion and faith then it is science. U cannot just throw chemicals together to make life, it just doesn't work that way.
The difference is that the professor can prove the existence of his brain, while the student can't prove the existence of God
Plenty of evidence in philosophy to say there is a God. That's why in philosophy it's an academic standard to know the argument, and we continue to have this conversation about the exsitance of God.
@@souzajustin19d you call that evidence HAHAHAHAHA
@@SawkTheFighter13 I don't know of anyone that would not consider philosophical evidence not to be evidence. Evidence is evidence regardless of how you feel about it.
@@souzajustin19d Lol, there is no evidence god exists. Thinking god exists is dogshit evidence, regardless of how you feel about it
@@SawkTheFighter13 alright, denying basic philosophy. Not very wise, but do you boo.
Whoever made up this silly little anecdote has obviously never attended a philosophy class or spoken to a real atheist.
Eric h i don't put any stock into fake vids and had i known this was a Christian propaganda stunt to begin with i wouldn't have bothered but after seeing these fools talk on here i just had to put in MY 2 cents lol
The sad part is that this is such a simple and antiquated outlook on BOTH sides i could've crushed either argument lol seems like Einstein SHOULD have had better sense at a college level but MAYBE his autism didn't really kick in till later in life lol
Eric Henderson, I myself am an atheist and I believe people have the right to a religion
super AGP. Sure. They can believe what they like but why lie about what non-believers think or say. Makes you wonder how gullible they must be if they think this crap is a real story.
Eric Henderson yes, I 100% agree with you, I woukd personaly never confront someone just because of their religion
That's no science teacher. That's what a science teacher in a Christian's perfect world would say. In reality, it is common knowledge that cold nor darkness exist, because they are words to describe the absence of heat and light, respectively. We can prove the existence of light and heat through observation and experimentation with the help of the scientific method. Good and evil, however, is completely arbitrary. What heat is to one person is the same to everyone. What light is to one person is the same to everyone. Good is arbitrary. Good is subjective. And evil is not the absence of good. Because you cannot measure good nor evil, you cannot say that evil is the absence of good. And to say that God is good, and to take it one step further and say that evil is the absence of God, would be severely egotistical and misleading.
We don’t just know about god from books we feel him and see know he’s there in are hearts and minds but you will only feel him if you accept him you can’t say people who believe in god are weak if anything there strong there stronger than anyone else as they are feeling even seeing or just believing in something so huge that someone with a weak brain could even understand god you must be open minded willing to accept him and you will feel him you will feel your answers to your questions everything that happens is becuase it’s part of gods plan so don’t say something unless you have s backup to that and you wonder why we have sicknesses and death and disasters it’s all one big trial in gods plan so we can return back to him and live with him and become like him he doesn’t do it to us to make us miserable he does it as s trial to make us prove are sleds to home to prove we will not be tempted by Satan as we did chose god in heaven we all will have 1 major trial in are life and a few small ones and if you can get through those and fight through Satan’s temptations and follow gods path you will live with him now I will not comment on anything else all I haft to say is that’s what I believe
It said philosophy not science
The Jumpy Guitar Gamers read and understood about the Bible. God created humans, and Satan was an angel. There is one commandment that God gives us. And we called it a choice. Are you hear me...... then Satan choice to lie and ask to God to live his life in the dark side and God said ok, because he give us the choice from the beigning. Sorry for my English. Guys learn how to understand the word of God instead of reading without understanding and commenting without knowledge.
Which thing has humans created from nothing, you see nothing we can created from nothing. But everything that we created is something from the Gods created things.
Look
Soil
Oil
Gas
Gold
Silver
Mettalics
Zincs
Papers
You know we can’t created something from nothing but we can created everything from something from that God createds for us.
@@mstirfqri4468 god doesint exist to atheists your argument is mute
It was a philosophy professor, per the video.
Me, a religious judge
*walks into court*
"Did anyone here see the murder happen? No? Well then case dismissed"
Religion proven, stay mad kids 😎
Beautiful and true. Thanks you
A video about religion and science? Gotta get my popcorn and watch the comment section
dont forget the drinks
I have a sneeeeaaaking suspicion that this is made up because no professor would be as stupid as to say dark exists after that mini rant on the lack of cold. Let's not excuse the shitty production quality with font color fucked up, the same picture in the background the entire video, and the pure cringe of the parentheses. This is completely made up and it seems nobody even watched the video before uploading it to find errors.
No professor would let the kid carry on after his stupid point.
All philosophy professors must know the simple rules of argument. With the argument shown it seems that the professor knows little of philosophy, I know all schools must not allow a person applying to become a professor to be a professor without knowing the basics. When having a stand in your argument you must give facts to make a true conclusion. When given with premises, the conclusion may either be true or valid. VALIDITY AND TRUE ARE NOT THE SAME. Validity is just based on the premises you say which could be your opinions, but a true conclusion is dependent on expanded, correct, and educated observations. This is why doctors carefully check you for them to be able to diagnose you correctly and cure you, but if they look at you and make guesses which they think are correct(opinion) then they may give you the wrong diagnosis and it will be difficult for them to cure you. At this point scientists, philosophers, and even other free thinkers out there are still observing to prove the existence of a god. This is why no conclusions must be made yet without having the facts.
Before making a counterargument on this, PLEASE DO A RESEARCH FIRST ON PHILOSOPHY THAN MAKING YOUR OWN PREMISES AND COME UP WITH A CONCLUSION
God created his angels with options and freedom just like us. Satan was Lucifer, and he was an angel. He grew jealous of God, and rebelled. God did not create Satan, he created Lucifer.
Student: do u have sense
Professor: yes
Student: can you feel your sense
Professor: no
Student: can u taste, see, smell and hear your sense
Professor: no
Student: then science proves u have no sense
Rehman Shahzad Lmbo thats from a african comedy
Marshi melon which African comedy..... tell me about...... what's the channel called
Rehman Shahzad I forgot but its so funny xD
Marshi melon find it out and do tell me I really wanna watch it
Rehman Shahzad Got it! Its Mark Angel Comedy
Im atheist, but the teacher is wrong to deny religion. There are two types of atheists, positive and negative. A negative atheist is someone who deny's religion and discriminates you for it. Then, there is a positive one. They, although not believing god, will accept religion and not judge you for what you believe in. They will not call you a fool or crazy, and all they ask in return is for no one to try to force religion on them and to accept them as they did you. Can you guess if im negative or positive? Id think it to be obvious. If you agree with me about the two types of atheists, please like so i now im not alone in my head with these thoughts.
You are Positive. correct?
im in the same boat as you 👌
in General, those who believe in God ( but do not have any shape or form to prove it physically ) believe there is something beyond the physical and believe ( or should anyway ) that our soul is what God made in his image and is what makes humans sapient and the other animals just sentient ( there is a huge difference within a being that is just sentient and another being who is both sentient and sapient )............... meanwhile a true atheist ( one who believes God DOES NOT EXIST- that there is nothing beyond the physical, not to be confused with people who think is possible that something outside of the physical MIGHT EXIST but will see it as non-existent until a way is found to sense it or prove it ) sees the physical as the only way to prove things and feels that the way the Human brain has "evolved" is what makes humans sapient and superior to the other animals which are just sentient, and believe other animals might evolve their brains and become sapient someday. But I prefer someone who is an atheist and follows the golden rule than someone who believes in God who is good, but decides to go against God and says blasphemy about God and do evil for the joy of it.
I’m somewhat of a positive and a negative atheist I think.
Aj. Richman I’m the positive one :P just saying. I don’t believe in God BUT I do respect other religions. You know, you are a positive one.
Edit: I put a comma in between know and you.
I've felt God but I think that is for believers to experience and for non believers to deny.
Can you explain how he felt?
How have you „felt” god?
Do you have any evidence on that? I felt a dragon, it’s real.
ive felt a mermaid, yes, its true. but i think thats for believers to experience and for non believers to deny 😜😎😍😏😏🤑😏😏
i cry with that !
Faith, the ABSENCE of knowing?
hehehhe for real?
Dark On Me of course, the student keeps telling about the absence of... and her conclusion is 'Faith' but isn't faith the fucking absence of the term 'knowing'
Sjamiell _ is science knowing then? Do people know that the Big Bang is real? If we came from apes then why do we have a tail bone, which scientists explain is “evolution” but apes don’t have tails. But do what ever floats your boat. You don’t believe in religion then okay, let’s not argue anymore, make love not war.
HI I'm a perso Amen
Technically it’s true. If you believe in something you don’t actually know it exists. you just believe so.
Cold technically isn't the absence of heat. It's when an object or particles absorb energy from it's surroundings (endothermic). And heat is when energy is exerted into the surroundings (exothermic). So basically, cold can be measured by the amount of energy the object absorbs.
It actually is, I sorry if I come of rude or something, but that is what it is defined as. It just exerts less heat.
Its like a meter of sorts, you cant go into the negatives, cold, but you can go higher and get progressively lower, heat
NeVa PuRe cold is not the opposite of heat its the opposite of hot.
Allied Sorry, but you're wrong, Don't mix Heat and Temperature together, they are not the same thing, Cold is a colloquial term in temperature that refers to the slow motion of the particles in a system, and it can't be measured, because when you say that you are going to measure cold, you're actually measuring the amount of energy per particle (Heat).
So, sorry but Cold is actually the absence of Heat (energy) and not the opposite of heat.
Eternal Abyss actually, cold is, in fact, is the amount of particles in the air. Get a sponge. Put it in water. Is the water gone? Or is it just in the sponge? How can heat be gone, if it's just in the particles itself?
So amazing!!!!
The last part though
😂
On my father's death bed he knew that I was undecided on this subject because he was dying and God wasn't helping. My dad said people generally dont believe if they can't see it. He asked "do you see the wind?" I said no. He said "God is a feeling as with everything we believe in" I asked why God isn't helping? He replied "was I a good father?" Yes of course I said!!. He replied "life is a test and I've passed son, God needs me".
I'm not terribly religious but I do feel there's something greater. We wont know until we are ready I guess.
Mahin Paudel who says God is a he? Who says there is more than one god? As I've said in the past, people think they know the meaning of everything when clearly we dont. You will, we will after we die. Questions will be answered or we realize that what's important down here isnt. Such as the meaning of life. What we have is a gift. Use it and stop with the my my. It's our God. It's not a possession you can have.
Mahin Paudel that's what you believe then that's ok. My statements are just statements and beliefs. I'm not terribly religious myself and not want to be one of those pushy opinionated people. Thanks for your input and thanks for no hostility. I like hearing other opinions because this subject is vast and also very opinionated.
Not to rain on your parade, but wind and God are no where close to the same. We physically feel wind, we can measure and quantify it, and we can explain it scientifically.
Ian Parrish yes itd very obvious and well done for understanding physics ian. Really, you diddnt have to explain considering.
Ian Parrish here's a thought. What if God was physical? What if were all wrong. We all see it differently. God looks human? Maybe God is everything. Such as what your standing on or looking at or even better, the wind you feel and we can measure. But, what do I know.......I know nothing until I die and even then it could just be giant pit I'm falling down just like bill and Ted's bogus adventure.
I think there were answer to the questions the student didnt answer and his answers to the questions he did answer were a bit silly and could have been better answered. If this ever gets to 7 likes, I'll write the answers he should have said on this comment but I dont think it will.
We'll see...
Rumple 7 write your answers
WHY THE PROFESSOR WILL ASK THAT THEIR TIME IS SCIENCE AND NOW ITS RELIGION OH C'MON MAN THE WORLD IS SO TERRIBLE.
Perfect!
Give this student claps for that answer 👏👏
Worst answer ever, that happens when people debate with scientists
Of course there is something called cold
If only this happened
jason-katsune Yes it did. Albert Einstein said this.
Henry Espanola No he didn't there is no proof of that, either way I did like it, it just wasn't einstein.
It's Einstein! But more simple arguement .. this is improved too much
Without a classroom or even the classroom floor beneath, this kind of is happening. Check out other threads Debate, conversation and unfortunately arguments have been going on before I've been on planet.
I believe Mr Einstein, may he Rest in Peace and may GOD be with his Family!!! Thank U FATHER for Blessing me with him, also said something about the universe and everything in it is just way too Perfect for it to come together by shear happenstance, therefore there Must be a DIVINE ARCHITECT(not verbatim).
Extending the professor argument: if you can't perceive a difference between God and Satan, then the question is not whether God exists, or whether God is Good, or omniscient ---- it's whether he is different from Satan. If God doesn't always help the good, wouldn't satan not always influence the bad??
Satan influences good people to make them bad
The thing is that there is such a thing as free will. because God created Satan it does not make him Satan. Satan was created good and then he decided to break away from his original design which made him turn evil and cause evil things to occur. Just because God can do all things does not mean he will. He has given all living beings the ability to make choices on their own, therefore what Satan does is not an extension of God or who he is, it is simply a choice of Satan. God is the cause for all things good without God there is no good. It is however impossible to understand the extension of this argument because unlike God we do not know all things therefore we cannot understand all things. That is why we hold on to our faith if you want to know more then look for God and ask him yourself and maybe you will understand why thousands of years later where still talking about a man who died on a cross.
its very weird how someone would say that darkness doesn't exist
Dodle Pickles cuz it doesn’t.
Satan is a former Angeles who betrayed GOD and heaven.
O A S then why did god create him? If he knows everything And he is perfect.he know people are killing each other because of this.then is he such good as I might say he is
@@lissettecastro4742 God created Satan aka. Lucifer as an angel of light, he stood by God because he was very important. God gives everyone freewill including angels. If God didn't give anyone a freewill then Lucifer wouldn't have betrayed God. Lucifer was jealous of God and wanted to be just like him. He took most of the Angels with him. God knows that the Devils days are timed. He is putting us to the test by giving us a freewill to do whatever. If you pass... you will recieve the most greatest gift.... EVERLASTING LIFE. I cause you no harm brother or sister. I am saying the end is near 💖
Queen_ OG Also, because of when Adam sinned, he gave over the earth (which was originally ruled by man) to the devil. So now it’s the devils world which is why bad things happen
@queen Satan did not wanted to be god he was asked by god with the angels to prostrate to adam "the creation of the first human" but he refused claiming that he is better that him therefore god fired him from heaven and promised him hell at the end of time so satan is trying so hard to take with him as many people as he can since we are the reason behind him disobeying the one and only God
Satan is a character they invented to scare people back into church, many years ago.
2:12 this sounds dirty
Well the first bit hahah
10/10 kinkist shit on the internet
12:14*
Strawberry Flavored Clorox Bleach still true tho
And so someone copied this from TikTok
evil doesn’t exist in the wild life
but it does exist in society
Depends on what you call evil because the butcher bird seems pretty evil
@@sirsteam6455 what’s a butcher bird?
@@halogen5580 Butcherbirds are small birds that impale their prey on spikes to eat them and for mating purposes.
Albert Einstein
Carl TGA CONFIRM
No that's actually just religious propaganda to make people believe it
That was not Einstein, he was not a deist.
Carl TGA Actually albert believed in god.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
(A.E.)
The professor in not a smart atheist, an smart one would know that. Ask these same questions to Neil he would give you the most gracious and mind opening answers!
Which is irrelevant because he would still be wrong.
Tim Rohrbach how
Niel Degras Tyson is awesome
*an smart one*
Let's come in the comment section and find out some answers what we could have given.... 😀😀
This is a great discussion.
It really isnt
How clever student that can break the professor. It's true story or just the telling story
SAILANY Coloring Kids, it’s definitely not true, because it’s the stupidest story I’ve probably ever heard in my life
Lemonheadkw How is it stupid?
Lemonheadkw Yes how?
Its stupid because both the "professor" and the so-called "student" are non-existent and their points are as dumb as the belief of the flying spaghetti monster . WHAT 8 YEAR OLD MORON WOULD THINK THAT ITS TRUE AND THE ARGUMENT IS BETWEEN 2 , SMART , REAL PEOPLE?? non-existent , never happened and never will , end of story.
I say real, cus many believers are expelled or suspended from school because they pray. I can see this as real. When I was college I stopped the English teacher from her political opinion in English. I simply told her, " is this an English class or your political opininon class, cus I'm paying out of my pocket for an education, not a teacher's opinion." I got a B in that class and she taught English after that. So yes, I believe this could happen.
God is everything good, but people say why did he create evil, well he didn’t. We did. God gave us free will so we can go and choose the good thing to do or the bad thing. If he didn’t give us this hen we would be mindless zombies- not thinking or doing anything by ourselves. What people need to realise is that people choose to do the bad thing quite a lot of the time, and his goes in the media and the newspapers, but when someone does something good people are quick to skim over it. If you have scrolled this far thanks for reading😂
What about suffering why is there ssuffering
Saemond's so true
Saemond's you say there is suffering because we have free will then what about cancer, disease and natural disasters we didnt create them. What about the children that are born with some kind of disability. What religion are btw.
One problem. We don't have free will.
It isn't even a logical possiblity.
The way I look at religion period is simply that there is good and evil but God is just a representative deity associated with good while Satan is representative of evil, both deities created by humans to have something to believe in. I myself don't believe in God, but I respect those who do. One disadvantage I will admit that nonbelievers have is that we're left with a lot of unanswered or ambiguous answers, such as who or what truly created us. But I also feel that that is what humans are meant for, forever asking questions and learning to discover we know so much less than we think we do.
I greatly respect both this professor and this student. They listened to and respected each other. So many debates go haywire and heated, but these men remained calm. Wouldn't it be nice if all participants in all debates controlled themselves like this?
You do Get that this is made up right?
No one gonna talk about the background music? Anyone knows the title?
*CAN YOU SMELL YOUR GOD*
Lmao
Matt A. Thats not funny wtf stop
Default Skin Said By The TrashNite Player
Dat Random Dude Trashnite? Dude your watching a fake video that isnt even real and commenting a joke that isnt even funny.
Matt A. I can smell a bible 😂
im sorry you had to read this while you were on your period i didnt mean to get an innocent 9 year old triggered
The teacher didn't have the right to question the students religion in the first place
peter kezas ikr?
It doesn’t matter. This could be a video about peanut butter and they would still be like: I is a ChRisTIan AnD God Is rEaL AmEeEn
Max Eidemiller the people saying that have done nothing to you so why bother
Yes, but the student could have said they do not want to talk about it. They were comfortable with what the believed and were willing to discuss it, which is great.
peter kezas TRY to go to catholic school or Christian school here in Philippines. They will make fun of your religion, they let you read the bible even you are not a Christian. Theology is a major subject and must pass that subject in order to graduate.
Student: Just ripped a good one.
Hey professor did you hear that?
Did you smell that ?
Did you taste that?
Did you happen to see that?
Well.. catch that and paint it green. Hahaha
This student is so ignorant of realty , it is a shame he is wasting his life.
I give up on humanity.
How many wars started because people were pushing their beliefs on each other again...?
Edit: I see some of you do not understand my meaning.
I mean beliefs of both religious people and atheists. We are free to believe what we want and not push it on the others.
You mean the wars cause by Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Mussolini ... ???
And yet religious people blame the athiets..
@@nootdreamnoot1684 I mean both sides.
JojoVa WindKeeper and all science ever does is evolve the weapons.
@@mattiemako656 ...And Smartphones and internet.
Even though i agree with the professor. He really shouldn't have picked on this student just because he believes in something.
Bootie Bandwagon The professor could use Xray to show the class his brain though
XBEMASTER didn't exist back in that time period
scooby Doo It did. It was just more expensive to use and less accurate. It is all about radioation rays.
Its all fake
He didn't.
Very well said
Death isn't the absence of life, but the loss of it.
I pray that I become atheist.. Oh wait
How to Break the Universe 101
Unyt 😂
Wow trying to get a like from a nonsense comment huh?
Thank God I’m an atheist
M Fizz 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I just want to say this, the definition of God is that he is supernatural. So when anyone try to measure or find evidence, facts and proofs of God using a scientific method is illogical, how can you proof a supernatural beings using a scientific method?
It's like measuring distance with liters or grams, *YOU WILL NEVER GET ANYWHERE WITH THAT METHOD*
And also trying to find *direct* proof for God is also out of the question, since we can only go so far as the observable universe, for us to directly observe God that means God has to be within our plain of vision, that means in our universe.
If God Is in our universe then he isn't God since he will be effected by time, space and matter: God doesn't get effected by that, so we have to look for indirect evidence
Zyad AL-otaibe Someone who understands. Thank You
Zyad AL-otaibe so god doesnt exist in this universe? The only universe that has been proven to exist? So logically speaking your god doesnt exist
Shadow My life’s a mess this is another concept we human cannot comprehend, we can talk about nothingness, but we can never understand it and it's true.
But, think about the claim you made, no one said that God takes on a physical form , we actually believe that God is an essence, so if we said that God has a physical form outside of the universe then it's paradoxical.
In addition when I said "not in our universe" I was referring to the realm, we believe that God created 7 heavens and the 7th is the one we live in, maybe the entirety of the 7th heaven is this universe, maybe it's this universe but it contains more than one heavens we don't know the exact details, and when I said God cannot be in our universe I didn't mean it literally I'm sorry for misleading, I meant as in physically.
And finally to conclude, you said because God is not in our universe (which was partly my mistake for making it unclear) then he cannot exist, as I explained above not physically but spiritually, then what is our universe expanding into then? If it's complete nothingness how is something becoming nothing?
Shadow My life’s a mess your problem is that you’re thinking that everything that occurs around us has some explanation. If we don’t know the mechanism, we don’t believe in it according to what you’re saying. Then, if you can’t explain it, it’s not true? You simply aren’t intelligent enough to know that you aren’t intelligent. Not everything in this world is explainable, and if you still disagree, it’s just your ego.
And again a proof that religion is a massive mental disease.
what is the music?
That’s like the argument Einstein had with his teacher