Buying a Macan S in December of 2014 as my first Porsche product was a huge financial mistake. My experience with it caused me to buy multiple Porsche sports cars of which I currently own 5. Still have the Macan.
Exactly what I've been thinking. Sure, if I had an extra parking spot I'd buy a CX-5 and a Miata (or a 981 Boxster GTS). But I don't, and I'm not interested in the hassle of off-site car storage, so here I am watching all of Mark's Macan reviews and planning to go drive one when the snow melts.
Thats why i ordered one last week. I don‘t have the possibility for a 2nd parking slot and I have a son. So it is the ideal car for me, although initially I would prefer a 911 or cayman gts 4.0
I like that they can admit when a car isn't for them, but they get why it's a good car. I've owned a Cayman S, 911 4S, and a Macan S, while the Macan S isn't a sports car, it is hands down the best road trip car I've ever owned!
@@velvetjones1856 depends on generations. The new M5 CS for example is probably going to be up there with Tesla's plaid as the fastest 4 door car around the Nurburgring. The older M5 wasn't as track focused as BMW has started to become
Im just upset you dont have over a million subscribers. No other review channel compares at all. Im convinced the reason is because the general population cant comprehend these comprehensive reviews. Keep up the good work
To answer your question about WHY someone would want a sporty SUV... it's for the person that wants something sporty, understands that the street isn't really a smart place for actual sports car performance (but wants to safely scratch the itch every once in awhile), but also needs a versatile and practical daily driver (that can also tow in this case). You don't need two cars to accomplish that, this is a jack of all trades car and I get everything I truly want (or need) in a single car. Another added benefit is cheaper insurance and only having to maintain a single car.
I agree with you, but I would never buy one, or recommend anyone I know buy one. Perhaps there are some filthy rich people that love tossing their money away, but just just a CX-5 and spend the rest of the money on an actual sports car. Crossovers don't need to be good. They get you from point A to point B with all your cargo.
@@JohnFromAccounting You are so wrong. Why would you suffer in a car that you spend two hours a day and 10000 miles a year in? CX-5 is completely overrated - it’s bland to drive and the engine is incredibly coarse. Where I live, it’s the choice of people who buy Outbacks but didn’t want an Outback. I used to own a Mk.7 GTI. I would take a Macan as a daily and as a weekend fun car over the GTI or any other FWD box 100% of the time. It just drives so much better.
@@JohnFromAccounting that’s clearly a very different mindset than most Macan buyers, which clearly is fine, because most of them would never consider a CX-5.
Great video. I have a 991.2 gt3 and have always had a hot hatch as my daily. I had a Macan GTS as a courtesy car and loved it so bought a 2020 Macan GTS last year and blown away by the luxury, build, handling, performance and durability. Brilliant all rounder
Part of me hates that this is what Porsche has become, but the other part of me loves the fact that it injects the money Porsche needs to make incredible sports cars.
@@ams914 Maybe you don't realize, but Porsche owners lost their minds in 2002-ish when the Cayenne was unveiled. SUV's have been a very recent thing for Porsche and the brand that has always been about pure sports cars went to soccer mom territory. To many of us 911 owners, this is not a Porsche, it's a rebadged Audi/VW - because it is.
@@MrSchn3ll Criticism is valid but this is simply the market trend. Gotta have at least one SUV in your lineup and Americans are buying this vehicle type like hotcakes.
I mean I don’t see the issue? If Porsche continues to offer amazing 911s, GT cars, caymans etc, then who cares if they make SUV’s? And even then they’re doing their best to make it the best suv they can and I’m here for it.
I had a 2018 Macan GTS in Volcano Gray with the red leather interior. 18 way seats with the upgraded leather package and it's probably my favorite interior in any car, ever and I've had a bunch of them. Once you know where all the physical buttons are it is super easy to access anything without taking your eyes off of the road and it felt luxurious while also being really sporty and cool. Unfortunately I got the itch for a real sports car after about 18 months and traded it for a base 718 Cayman but I still have fond memories of the Macan GTS. It was very, very good.
I just discovered this channel...might be the best auto channel ive yet seen. I have a 2021 GTS. The reason for me, is my house has 2 garage bays...1 for wife and 1 for me. I have a toddler, so i need something with rear seats. I make a good living and can afford a $1200 lease. I have gasoline in my veins and cant get enough of go fast. Porsche has always been a dream car for me...this is my 1st. The Macan GTS checks all the boxes...fast. sounds amazing. Handles corners amazing. Holds a car seat. Useful for a home depot run. Can hold all my camping gear. Major status flex. Gorgeous. Extremely fun to drive every single time. Thank god this car exists
As one of those people (2020 Cayenne S) let me give my take on the appeal of these vehicles, and you sort of hit on the point during your drive. Probably 80% of my driving is done well within the limits of good taste, often with a beloved spouse, dogs and/or gear with me. Of the 20% when I am playing the hooligan, at least half is in a straight line. My Cayenne is utterly, utterly exciting and competent in those scenarios. It does not require me to fold myself into it like I do with a Miata, or Lotus, or GT3. (Wait until you are in your 60s. You will get my point.) If I were to get a Griswold family truckster for daily driving and an exquisite little sports toy for glory runs on nice weekends that would mean I was missing out on enjoying driving 80% of the time to have a relatively small increase in sportiness 20% of the time. Will I ever confuse my Cayenne for the sports cars I used to race? No. Will I be dang happy getting 80% of the feeling every single day I drive? Absolutely. Keep up the great work!
You have summarized the tradeoffs incredibly well. I'd add to that, for those of us with limited parking in major urban centres, or where insurance is a substantial expense, it's harder to resist the pull of the SUV with enough performance chops to satisfy.
Well filmed in the snow and great interaction by the hosts. The Macan is one of the best looking CUVs out there and it is so well made. They are build in Leipzig, Germany, where I had the chance to visit the factory, and they are each tested on a real track and an off road course on site once they come from the assembly line, where a lot of work is done by skilled workers and not everything is automated. There is more to this car than meets the eye at first glance.
I have a current 21 Macan GTS, with it replacing a 2017 Macan S. This car is by far the best driving SUV in the market. Granted it isn't as fast as a F97 X3M but it also don't ride like that stupidly harsh X3M with a boring ZF8 & noticeable turbo lag, I'm also a current F80 M3 ZCP owner. Porsche does a lot of things correctly aside from the hefty price tag that always comes with them. If you are able to afford these cars, they are absolutely worth it. BMW has completely fallen off the horse when it comes to their performance cars. And I also agree with Jack. It's way better to have physical buttons over the dumb black plastic screens. Once you have the car for a few weeks, you know exactly where each buttons are. Sadly that won't last any longer, the newer Macan EV (coming soon) will have its interior changed to that, black plastic, touch buttons that I hate.
Spot on. I owned a GTS and completely agree. I think Porsche should give the Macan was last final new generation. There will be sufficient ICE demand for the next 7 years.
Nice review, I've had two Macans, both are base models and they are fabulous cars worth every $, however, I have simultaneously owned sports car during those times. I am now in the process of purchasing the Macan GTS and selling the sports car (2017 Lotus Evora for any interested parties). I have now driven the GTS and in my view it is more 911 than SUV. The Porsche Macan GTS is, without question, the closet I have ever seen any manufacturer come to a practical daily driver for the driving enthusiast.
Porsche engineers are obsessed with doing everything better. They make the best sports car, the best SUV the best cross over a very competitive luxury full sized sedan with the panamera and now one of the best EV’s in the Taycan. Why wouldn’t anybody buy a Porsche who can afford it? These guys are not regular engineers they are Scientists and Astronauts to be making cars at such a high level. It’s crazy!
I had 2 cars also, rs3 and Tucson for my wife. I wanted one vehicule, so thats why we went toward these SUV, we got an X3M and ive been to the track with it beating M2... honestly when people bash on this I feel they are just hating on progress. Yes my RS3 was more sporty but now I have an all-around vehicule that does better lap times than my RS3...
@@madgainz7871 We're not hating "progress", we're hating compromised design. I get that Porsche needs to make money, but I hate that compromised design is how they do it. Also, why are you tracking an SUV?
@@JohnFromAccounting They're making those compromises because there are people who need or want one vehicle that can do a variety of things well. We (two people) have one parking space at our condo. Now I live in a city in a mild climate, so don't need SUV features, but I understand why many people do. If I lived where Mark and Jack do, outside Chicago, I'd also be tempted to but an AWD something.
@@JohnFromAccounting because its fun? Its also fun to pass "sports car" in the braking zone and coming to their ass in the turn. How many owner of sports car you know that just chill at cars and coffee and don't utilise the potential?
Got the 2017 macan GTS Had for 3 years.. What can I say It’s the longest we have had a car ever.. Love it.. The colour is just cool Original gt rs riviera blue.. The reason we haven’t up graded to this model is because it just doesn’t sound as good as the previous model.
This car is one of my secret favourite from the whole market, because of: 00:38. 100% agree, LOVE the physical buttons and the total lack of piano black (finally), and the analog clusters.
Sporty SUV's make total sense to me, and you touched on it earlier. I am never going to get everything I want out of a 718 etc., I don't really have much desire to go out onto a track or find a place to keep my "summer car". All I want to do is get me and my family around and have some smiles along the way when I take a corner or smash the pedal.
I just don’t get that feeling in a suv no matter what they do to make tall fat cars feel “sporty”, probably unpopular opinion considering the dominance of these suvs in the market
@@EvoraGT430 Don't get me wrong, I love the Pana, but if you want one car to do it all - it doesn't have great space or practicality as a family vehicle.
Thanks for continuing to speak to who cars are for, even if they are not for us. A lot of car "enthusiasts" get off on thrashing anything that doesn't fit our orthodoxy
Indeed, it's been a recurring mispronunciation on this channel. I even complimented Mark when he said it right last time, but I'm disappointed in Jack (or should I say Jake just to be an asshole?) this time ; )
I bought the GTS because I needed a "pick-up" that could pull a boat and have fun at the same time... this is the greatest "pick-up" to drive, trust me ! ! ! Never had a truck or SUV before.
Yah I like what he mentioned about different perspectives. I drove my friends Macan S (comming from my only car which is a Kia Forte) and I had laughed my ass off and scared myself by driving it. And I loved it, it’s just all around the perfect car in my eyes and I hate SUV’s but this is something special to me and I don’t know why.
I would agree that if you surround yourself with high energy and luxury vehicles it numbs your perceptions of the average person who would find the Macan exciting. It works for me and as you dive it you do become spoiled with the expectations, it's human nature. When someone asked Chuck Yeager to name the sports car he found exciting, he said "their isn't a car that excites me".
"Why do you need an SUV to also be a sports car?" ( 11:20 ). For the same reason why people need a truck to be a daily driver when they only have one person driving it, and they could rent a truck occasionally for when they need it. For the same reason why people would buy a gas car instead of buying an electric car for their daily needs, and renting another vehicle for a road trip. For the same reason why people would just shoot everything on a smartphone, instead of getting a "Proper" camera like a DSLR or camcorder for their video needs. People these days find it more convent to have something that does everything ok then to have different things that are amazing at specific applications.
I think this car is really for the enthusiast that needs a one car solution and can afford to spend in something more upscale. Maybe you live in an apartment or condo in a bigger city and have a small family but still want something that will scratch the enthusiast itch. I live in Boston where its either incredibly expensive or just plain difficult to find a home with room for more than one car. Something like this is a good blend of everything you’d want/need a car to do.
Nick Murray and the dudes from StraightPipes/Wayne's World heads have just exploded. Tui and Smudge, plus William the Gorilla too. The top 6 reasons why you need a Porsche Macan GTS or Turbo Performance Package: - Your wife can let you borrow it for a 4hr beer run. - Baby seats for the twins in a 911 GT3 RS would look ridiculous and rip their heads off. - You asked your wife if you can have a Porsche Cayman 718 GT4 4.0 for XMAS and she started laughing in your face in front of the kids. - More cockpit switches than a Boeing 747 Jumbo-Jet - BMW created the X3M/Comp to compete with the Porsche Macan GTS/Turbo just to make the choice 10x harder. - Mid-life Crisis (I need a Porsche...any Porsche!!) BTW You forgot to mention that the Macan 2.9L Turbo V6 is an Audi engine. The latest generation Porsche Macan is gorgeous, but the Audi 2.9L V6 is a deal breaker. No Porsche engine...No Deal. We REALLY need a Porsche Macan Turbo GT5 4.0. Hans Mezger is rolling in his grave.
Walking into the lions den on this one...Long time Porsche lover, and still waiting to get into my dream Porsche, but have a x3 m40i. My opinion - best of both worlds and am happy to drive this 365 days a year. The worse the weather the happier I am. As a Canadian I laugh at the subarus struggling in the snow while I decide whether to turn TC completely off or not. Will never replace a true sports car though and would never consider driving a Subaru or CRV for my “daily”
Really?! Usable? Is that what you got driving this car? I suggest relearning the definition of fun car. 🤦🏻♀️ I currently have a corvette 2009 and had lots of fun with it. Still, I can’t drive it to the slopes in the winter. If you a sport car ‘driver’ you won’t easily switch to a big SUV which feels you’re dragging a wagon. I tried Jeep, made a quick lane change in a highway, the car was dizzy for a while after. (Kidding, didn’t handle well as I expected but needed to test). Then test drove X4 M Competition. Great power but felt big and SUVie. Mecan presented the perfect size (if you have a big family buy a van), you don’t feel being detached from the road, great control of the vehicle, handling the fast turns perfectly and if you wanna go, it leaves the traffic behind easily. 👍🏼😎
I consider the purpose of its existence to be more of a fun way to get to work. Yes. You can get a base Macan and a used M2, but one commutes and the other one drives. On the other hand, the Macan GTS looks amazing, sounds great, drives like a beast, but is still civilized enough to-not just get around in relative comfort-but also to keep (or try to keep) a low profile at work, at school, in town, etc., and is not as big and regal as a Cayenne. I feel it is one of the greatest cars Porsche has ever added to their lineup.
as someone who had a m235i i can attest to this trend as I'm now in a new sq5. The thing with sporty cars is that they are impractical af and they're expensive. With my coupe, I had to store it during winters, get a third car as a beater to keep the mileage down, garage space etc. In the end, it was still compromised, impractical and just expensive. So we got rid of both and got a sporty SUV that can do way more day to day and provide around 8/10 the performance when i feel like driving like a D. I do miss my 6spd manual tho :(
11:50 Mark nails why I traded my Boxster S on this Macan GTS: living in a city, I was scraping the Boxster's front end every time I turned into a place, and that sound hurts your soul. Haven't scraped the Macan once and it's as sporty as you need.
0:48 - 1:20 im with you man. the only difference is that i would take physical buttons 10 out of 10 times. too bad porsche is changing that to glossy black glass capacity switches ( in almost every new porsche).
11:37 It exist because I would argue a vast majority population who can swing a car like this would rather have the status symbol of owning a Porsche over a "regular" sub and "regular" sedan. I guess its the same reason people buy F250s to tow a small camper around when a mini van could do the same thing.
Yes, and because Porsche is known to have great high-priced value, cover all the areas high-quality, it tends to also be the brand for the beancounters. I mean, people shouldn't assume that those with high income just throw money around. There is a reason why many people have that much money. Because they are beancounters. (This reminds me of a scene from Freaks and Geeks: 'Let's trick-or-treat at the rich people's houses first. They got the best candy.' - 'No, they got the worst. That's why they are rich.')
@@Dowlphin What "beancounter" thinks a Porsche is a good value? None. Even by German standards they've always been ludicrously overpriced, and that's not even mentioning their woeful reliability. The engineers are good at making them perform better than their VW and Audi kin, but they do nothing to make the reliability even acceptable. Beancounters are noted for being frugal, and no Porsche in decades has been inexpensive to buy or operate.
@@markmiller3279 I mean based on the uncompromising refinement you get, combined with everyday usability. A Porsche is probably better there than a Ferrari or Lamborghini. It's the 'mental' option, for those who don't mind lack of character but want sterile, rationally top performance and value. - Of course it's not the cheapest to maintain, but I'm talking about rich beancounters. (Maybe the best example: Isn't Bill Gates driving Porsche?)
Here is the meaning of life: this SUV exists for all of us who have a 3rd wife. Presitious brand, European fit & finish, raised height, space for kids in the back. All the alternatives you mentioned are NOT THIS.
I guess the Feb freeze has me triggered as @12:13 when jack came up to the wet spot in the road the thought "ICE!!!" literally screamed into my mind. It's currently a 78° F in S.A.TX /s
why do you need a car like this? My friend has a 07 Carrera cabriolet as his summer car. Recently purchased a GTS to be his all weather car when it’s cold, rainy, or snowing. Now he has the best of both situations. If you can afford it why compromise?
Here’s the thing. I like sports cars but I live in a typical suburban home with a two car garage. And I live in the northeast. So while my wife’s car and my old Alfa are snug in the garage my GTI sits outside in the rain, snow and sleet. It gets tedious. So I sell off the GTI and Alfa and buy the GTS. Viola. I have a sporty daily driver that pretty much satisfies all my needs for utility and driving fun and it fits in my garage. Track days? Naw. Spirited blasts about town? Hell yeah!
In all honestly, I'm getting *tired* of UToob, SnotFlix, et.al. after 13 months at home. I barely get to touch my Alfa and I'm too exhausted to care about even your reviews anymore. That said, more on topic, considering the cousin-ry that this brand shares, the cleanliness and uptodateness of the interior could have been so much moar! What I find frustrating with this brand is the zillions of confusing options to choose from. My one and only ended up costing 47% over base price. Otherwise it all rocks, mostly.
I have recently sold my 2011 Cayenne S and my daughter still drives my 2014 Cayenne Turbo. The. sum of my experiences would be that the cars are wonderful to drive and enjoy, but the engineering philosophy is sometimes hard to understand. Take oil changing, for example. In my wife's Subaru Forester XT the oil filter sits right up front and topside, making filter changes a 5 minute job; in the Porsches I have never even tried the job, but from reading about the access issues, I would not choose to---and oil changes are north of $200. So, Porsches are a treat to drive, but costs of fuel (premium only), routine maintenance and the inevitable major repairs are through the roof. And depreciation is a killer for all German cars---a far greater expense than repairs. I note that, with the exception of Consumer Reports, most car reviewers to not touch adequately on
If I was back to commuting again, I'd probably have bought a Macan GTS. My motorcycle is already my fun vehicle, so I need my daily to have enough and practical enough to sit in between my wife's truck and my motorcycle. I don't need it to haul plywood, but I do need it to fit a shopping cart worth of groceries. As much as a 718 might be able to do that split between the front and rear, but it's a bit too impractical when I've already got an impractical bike.
It is what it is...scorching hot hot hatch with a slightly higher ride height. For that it does the job well, but anyone who really needs an SUV/crossover to haul kids around, or wilderness vacays need to look elsewhere. Like you guys said in the vid, this is a somewhat (if you make a decent salary) practical every day car for people who live where it snows several times a year. For someone in the sunbelt, makes less sense. Just get a real SUV winter beater and Miata (or sports car of choice) for fun..and even occasional daily.
I'll take physical pedal switches all day long- just add one more...its for the F'in clutch. If I'm spending that much money, I better F'in have a manual shift. One of the better looking SUV's, mind. I'd still spend my money on a Cayman- the kids can walk. thanks for the review.
Im planning buying an s for under 40k with lower miles..... needs to tow a little and have some awd capability for snow, and still be fun... currently in a grand cherokee srt and while it's fun it's not built as well as I'd like and 14mpg gets old
I had a 2016 Macan Turbo and was very impressed with it compared to the BMWs from the past. I traded a 2014 M5 for it. Traded it for a 2018 M2 and then upgraded back to a new 2019 911 Carrera. When my lease is up on 2019 330xi, I may get another Macan again. Not sure if it will be GTS or Turbo.
Good morning. I appreciate your videos especially looking at the mechanics. Question - I watched on a few mechanic videos that one out of 2 Macan's leak oil; Porsche charges $9K to fix the problem? Can you comment on whether that ture or where can you find out if that is true or not? Also, it would be great if you could add a reliability factor during your wrap up. Keep up the great work? Thank-you.
If I ever have to trade my tuned Audi for something larger to accommodate a family, it would be this. Even if I do have a Cayman GT4 in the future, I still want something that is fun for a daily car and that isn't a complete pushover to have to get groceries in, or take kids to school.
Great vid. I have a question. I have porsche 718 and now I'm thinking of getting a car with more seats. I'm thinking Macan S (2022), Cayenne coupe S, and Panamera Sport Turisumo. Which one would you recommend and why? Thanks!
Though niche, I live in NH on a dirt road that right now has 8" of mud on it and is in that shape a few weeks a year. Tons of the fun roads here are dirt and gravel. The pavement is often broken from frost heaves. Having something with some ground clearance and a good AWD setup that performs is pretty sweet for my conditions. My poor GTi sits in the garage a lot so I don't rip the nose off of it on ice blocks or bend the suspension. I'm looking at this as a replacement as a dirt GTi and I wish there were other competent options at a lower price that could take dirt and gravel roads well and still perform. I'm also tall at 6'5" so very few vehicles even fit me at this point making it even more infuriating. I may actually just slump into a Highlander because, simply, it fits me. The price on this will ultimately keep me away but it is as close to an Ariel Nomad that I might be able to fit in. The STi's have looked like a suppository for so long now or I'd consider one of those.
Subaru Outback will handle all this well, we've used on for many years of gravel in the past, though the current CVT-only is a downer. Others; Volvo XC-40 seems a nicer smaller crossover, or Mazda CX5, both likely more fun than the Outback. More in left field, Jag F Pace is more sporty still with clearance, and more mainstream; the higher level Ford Edge drive quite nicely, have rented it a few times.
@@cmacd8879 Yeah I've got a 2013 Forester XT, but they dropped the turbo and went CVT which will never do the job now so Subaru is out until they stop the CVT nonsense. I've shopped a lot of the others and the AWD systems are just not really meant to be used regularly and the suspensions are mostly car/stamped sheet metal and will surely break. The XC-40 was a surprise in how roomy it was inside though but the suspension doesn't look like it would ever last. I've had one of the new model Foresters with the CVT as a loaner and if you are doing 65 and punch it, they are gutless. My XT has just enough power to be adequate for getting up my hill in the mud and can still pass ok at highway speeds. For now I'm tossing some new springs and Bilstein BP6's on the Forester to see if I get some more life out of it. A 4runner would work here but it needs another 100HP. Maybe a 4Runner and a Magnuson supercharger could work. I wish Subaru would bring back the turbo and stick a modern 8spd in their cars.
Buying a Macan S in December of 2014 as my first Porsche product was a huge financial mistake. My experience with it caused me to buy multiple Porsche sports cars of which I currently own 5. Still have the Macan.
Sounds terrible 🤣
Lmfao
Haha this didn't go where I thought it was going...
@@ericsade5961 you can't go wrong with *VAG*
@@dragospahontu yes you can lmao.
Savage Geese turned me into such an audiophile snob that I can no longer stand the sound of my own voice.
That's a good one, I figured out that my VW hurts my ears because of the distortion.
This is the perfect vehicle for the person with only one parking spot
Exactly what I've been thinking. Sure, if I had an extra parking spot I'd buy a CX-5 and a Miata (or a 981 Boxster GTS). But I don't, and I'm not interested in the hassle of off-site car storage, so here I am watching all of Mark's Macan reviews and planning to go drive one when the snow melts.
Thats why i ordered one last week. I don‘t have the possibility for a 2nd parking slot and I have a son. So it is the ideal car for me, although initially I would prefer a 911 or cayman gts 4.0
Well said
I like that they can admit when a car isn't for them, but they get why it's a good car. I've owned a Cayman S, 911 4S, and a Macan S, while the Macan S isn't a sports car, it is hands down the best road trip car I've ever owned!
This IS a drivers car. Theres more to driving then a two seat sports car on a perfect road on a perfect day. This is fun to drive more of the time.
exactly. These SUV are fun, quick and can be driven in any condition.
My Macan Turbo turned into a corner harder than my 2014 M5. Very amazing car. It was hot the performance package which is now standard for turbo.
You may have a point, it feels like it has been forever since I could drive my 68 Falcon.
@@velvetjones1856 depends on generations. The new M5 CS for example is probably going to be up there with Tesla's plaid as the fastest 4 door car around the Nurburgring. The older M5 wasn't as track focused as BMW has started to become
@@velvetjones1856 yeah I owned and lots of seat time in an M5 and this is absolutely true
Im just upset you dont have over a million subscribers. No other review channel compares at all. Im convinced the reason is because the general population cant comprehend these comprehensive reviews. Keep up the good work
Top Gear devolved into a car shoe for the general population. God forbid the Geese sell their souls in like manner.
To answer your question about WHY someone would want a sporty SUV... it's for the person that wants something sporty, understands that the street isn't really a smart place for actual sports car performance (but wants to safely scratch the itch every once in awhile), but also needs a versatile and practical daily driver (that can also tow in this case). You don't need two cars to accomplish that, this is a jack of all trades car and I get everything I truly want (or need) in a single car. Another added benefit is cheaper insurance and only having to maintain a single car.
I hit like when Steven Seagal came up on the infotainment.
Scrolled down for this. Wasn't disapointed
@@TheBlackD that guy is legit
Songs from the crystal caves 😂
took me a second watch through to pick up the steven seagull and brie larceny references. fantastic. are those standard or do they cost extra?
Ahh you beat me to it 😂
Only a man of culture can appreciate the sweet tones of Sensei Seagal
I think the Macan is the best in class crossover
For the engine, transmission, handling, capability, usability, reliability, and in my opinion looks
Not the usability. Rear seats are useless if you are more than 5'9" which is a shame. Q5 uses the space much better but doesn't drive nearly as well.
@@Ficon I’m 6 ft and I’ve never had any problem in the back of a macan, I wouldn’t say it’s that comfortable but it’s certainly tolerable.
I agree with you, but I would never buy one, or recommend anyone I know buy one. Perhaps there are some filthy rich people that love tossing their money away, but just just a CX-5 and spend the rest of the money on an actual sports car. Crossovers don't need to be good. They get you from point A to point B with all your cargo.
@@JohnFromAccounting You are so wrong. Why would you suffer in a car that you spend two hours a day and 10000 miles a year in? CX-5 is completely overrated - it’s bland to drive and the engine is incredibly coarse. Where I live, it’s the choice of people who buy Outbacks but didn’t want an Outback. I used to own a Mk.7 GTI. I would take a Macan as a daily and as a weekend fun car over the GTI or any other FWD box 100% of the time. It just drives so much better.
@@JohnFromAccounting that’s clearly a very different mindset than most Macan buyers, which clearly is fine, because most of them would never consider a CX-5.
Great video. I have a 991.2 gt3 and have always had a hot hatch as my daily. I had a Macan GTS as a courtesy car and loved it so bought a 2020 Macan GTS last year and blown away by the luxury, build, handling, performance and durability. Brilliant all rounder
*If it doesn't have a 15" screen, 22" rims, and piano black steering wheel I'm not interested*
Not funny, and your are like 12 so extra not funny
@@wbae1340 55 people say otherwise to the triggered Audi owner
I demand a floating roof!!!
@@papa_pt this channel is swarmed with middle schoolers...
And no physical buttons don't forget that
“My third wife is gona love this thing” lmao you guys kill it !
While his Asian wife probably likes something spicier.
His second wife's alimony will force him to sell it and buy a Kia Rio.
Part of me hates that this is what Porsche has become, but the other part of me loves the fact that it injects the money Porsche needs to make incredible sports cars.
Why would you hate that Porsche has made one of the best performance SUVs in the world? Sounds like they set a nice benchmark.
@@ams914 Maybe you don't realize, but Porsche owners lost their minds in 2002-ish when the Cayenne was unveiled. SUV's have been a very recent thing for Porsche and the brand that has always been about pure sports cars went to soccer mom territory. To many of us 911 owners, this is not a Porsche, it's a rebadged Audi/VW - because it is.
@@MrSchn3ll Criticism is valid but this is simply the market trend. Gotta have at least one SUV in your lineup and Americans are buying this vehicle type like hotcakes.
I mean I don’t see the issue? If Porsche continues to offer amazing 911s, GT cars, caymans etc, then who cares if they make SUV’s? And even then they’re doing their best to make it the best suv they can and I’m here for it.
Porsche wouldn't even be around anymore if it weren't for the Cayenne and Macan
I had a 2018 Macan GTS in Volcano Gray with the red leather interior. 18 way seats with the upgraded leather package and it's probably my favorite interior in any car, ever and I've had a bunch of them. Once you know where all the physical buttons are it is super easy to access anything without taking your eyes off of the road and it felt luxurious while also being really sporty and cool. Unfortunately I got the itch for a real sports car after about 18 months and traded it for a base 718 Cayman but I still have fond memories of the Macan GTS. It was very, very good.
I just discovered this channel...might be the best auto channel ive yet seen. I have a 2021 GTS. The reason for me, is my house has 2 garage bays...1 for wife and 1 for me. I have a toddler, so i need something with rear seats. I make a good living and can afford a $1200 lease. I have gasoline in my veins and cant get enough of go fast. Porsche has always been a dream car for me...this is my 1st. The Macan GTS checks all the boxes...fast. sounds amazing. Handles corners amazing. Holds a car seat. Useful for a home depot run. Can hold all my camping gear. Major status flex. Gorgeous. Extremely fun to drive every single time. Thank god this car exists
2:56 Jack just can't stop talking about his GTI, I can practically smell the wildberry-tempura clouds he rips daily
My stage 53 tune is supported by my mod
You are so yesterday as tune 54 has a tenth of a second less rev hang between 4th and 5th gear than the 53 tune dude .
As one of those people (2020 Cayenne S) let me give my take on the appeal of these vehicles, and you sort of hit on the point during your drive. Probably 80% of my driving is done well within the limits of good taste, often with a beloved spouse, dogs and/or gear with me. Of the 20% when I am playing the hooligan, at least half is in a straight line. My Cayenne is utterly, utterly exciting and competent in those scenarios. It does not require me to fold myself into it like I do with a Miata, or Lotus, or GT3. (Wait until you are in your 60s. You will get my point.) If I were to get a Griswold family truckster for daily driving and an exquisite little sports toy for glory runs on nice weekends that would mean I was missing out on enjoying driving 80% of the time to have a relatively small increase in sportiness 20% of the time. Will I ever confuse my Cayenne for the sports cars I used to race? No. Will I be dang happy getting 80% of the feeling every single day I drive? Absolutely. Keep up the great work!
You have summarized the tradeoffs incredibly well. I'd add to that, for those of us with limited parking in major urban centres, or where insurance is a substantial expense, it's harder to resist the pull of the SUV with enough performance chops to satisfy.
Well filmed in the snow and great interaction by the hosts. The Macan is one of the best looking CUVs out there and it is so well made. They are build in Leipzig, Germany, where I had the chance to visit the factory, and they are each tested on a real track and an off road course on site once they come from the assembly line, where a lot of work is done by skilled workers and not everything is automated. There is more to this car than meets the eye at first glance.
Agreed
I have a current 21 Macan GTS, with it replacing a 2017 Macan S.
This car is by far the best driving SUV in the market. Granted it isn't
as fast as a F97 X3M but it also don't ride like that stupidly harsh X3M
with a boring ZF8 & noticeable turbo lag, I'm also a current F80 M3
ZCP owner. Porsche does a lot of things correctly aside from the hefty
price tag that always comes with them.
If you are able to afford these cars, they are absolutely worth it. BMW
has completely fallen off the horse when it comes to their performance
cars.
And I also agree with Jack. It's way better to have physical buttons
over the dumb black plastic screens. Once you have the car for a few
weeks, you know exactly where each buttons are. Sadly that won't last
any longer, the newer Macan EV (coming soon) will have its interior
changed to that, black plastic, touch buttons that I hate.
Spot on. I owned a GTS and completely agree. I think Porsche should give the Macan was last final new generation. There will be sufficient ICE demand for the next 7 years.
3 years later the macan EV is here, I think this month they are delivering them to customers
Jack is so well spoken, the automatic closed captioning was 100% accurate.
Could also make him a robot, though.
The man speaks in prose.
If you live in a city this the perfect all around urban assault vehicle. It just does everything very well. However it is expensive.
Nice review, I've had two Macans, both are base models and they are fabulous cars worth every $, however, I have simultaneously owned sports car during those times. I am now in the process of purchasing the Macan GTS and selling the sports car (2017 Lotus Evora for any interested parties). I have now driven the GTS and in my view it is more 911 than SUV. The Porsche Macan GTS is, without question, the closet I have ever seen any manufacturer come to a practical daily driver for the driving enthusiast.
What packages are a must have for you? I’m looking at a 2021 with PDLS, Bose and the sports package.
I subscribed to SavageGeese and my Bugle Boy jeans started to fit again.
Porsche engineers are obsessed with doing everything better. They make the best sports car, the best SUV the best cross over a very competitive luxury full sized sedan with the panamera and now one of the best EV’s in the Taycan. Why wouldn’t anybody buy a Porsche who can afford it? These guys are not regular engineers they are Scientists and Astronauts to be making cars at such a high level. It’s crazy!
I love it when you two argue with each other genuinely.
"I don't fully understand why you need an SUV to also be a sports car."
Must be nice to have more than one parking spot.
Funny you mention that becuase I never saw a Porsche that wasnt double parked and doesn't hog the left lane
I had 2 cars also, rs3 and Tucson for my wife. I wanted one vehicule, so thats why we went toward these SUV, we got an X3M and ive been to the track with it beating M2... honestly when people bash on this I feel they are just hating on progress. Yes my RS3 was more sporty but now I have an all-around vehicule that does better lap times than my RS3...
@@madgainz7871 We're not hating "progress", we're hating compromised design. I get that Porsche needs to make money, but I hate that compromised design is how they do it. Also, why are you tracking an SUV?
@@JohnFromAccounting They're making those compromises because there are people who need or want one vehicle that can do a variety of things well. We (two people) have one parking space at our condo. Now I live in a city in a mild climate, so don't need SUV features, but I understand why many people do. If I lived where Mark and Jack do, outside Chicago, I'd also be tempted to but an AWD something.
@@JohnFromAccounting because its fun? Its also fun to pass "sports car" in the braking zone and coming to their ass in the turn. How many owner of sports car you know that just chill at cars and coffee and don't utilise the potential?
Got the 2017 macan GTS
Had for 3 years..
What can I say
It’s the longest we have had a car ever..
Love it..
The colour is just cool
Original gt rs riviera blue..
The reason we haven’t up graded to this model is because it just doesn’t sound as good as the previous model.
This car is one of my secret favourite from the whole market, because of: 00:38. 100% agree, LOVE the physical buttons and the total lack of piano black (finally), and the analog clusters.
Sporty SUV's make total sense to me, and you touched on it earlier. I am never going to get everything I want out of a 718 etc., I don't really have much desire to go out onto a track or find a place to keep my "summer car". All I want to do is get me and my family around and have some smiles along the way when I take a corner or smash the pedal.
I just don’t get that feeling in a suv no matter what they do to make tall fat cars feel “sporty”, probably unpopular opinion considering the dominance of these suvs in the market
All of which could be done in a Panamera, which has a lower CofG and better aerodynamics/dynamics.
@@EvoraGT430 Don't get me wrong, I love the Pana, but if you want one car to do it all - it doesn't have great space or practicality as a family vehicle.
@@sunnohh Speaking honestly, I have only felt it in the Cayenne/Macan. Does it feel like a Miata? No, but feels very different from a M-Class/X5 etc.
Yes yes yes. I bought a USED Macan S AND USED 981 Boxster S for about 100K and love them both and they are like brand new. 2 for 1 buying used.
I have a 2020 GTS ... absolutely love it
Many complain about all the confusing buttons...but after a couple weeks of driving it, and learning it, there wouldn’t be any issue with them.
👌🏽🤷🏽♂️..btw I like your style of review. Calm and direct
Tossing in my comment for the algorithm. Great video.
Tossing in a Thumbs up and a reply for the algorithm.
Thanks for continuing to speak to who cars are for, even if they are not for us. A lot of car "enthusiasts" get off on thrashing anything that doesn't fit our orthodoxy
Just to clarify; the top audio system is Burmester, not Burmeister. www.burmester.de/en/automotive/porsche/
Indeed, it's been a recurring mispronunciation on this channel. I even complimented Mark when he said it right last time, but I'm disappointed in Jack (or should I say Jake just to be an asshole?) this time ; )
I see the dealer got you sold on the car when they put Steven Seagal's Songs From the Crystal Cave on.
That's how they got me too.
Jack is always pushing Mark's buttons! 😂😂😂🤣
The Macan S is also for enthusiast. It comes down to options, wheel preferences and overall balance.
Last time I was this early Jeffery Tobin was still waiting to join the zoom call.
I bought the GTS because I needed a "pick-up" that could pull a boat and have fun at the same time... this is the greatest "pick-up" to drive, trust me ! ! ! Never had a truck or SUV before.
Jack's preaching to the choir at 1:05. Wish everyone felt this way and the car buying public would get away from those stupid screens.
Yah I like what he mentioned about different perspectives. I drove my friends Macan S (comming from my only car which is a Kia Forte) and I had laughed my ass off and scared myself by driving it. And I loved it, it’s just all around the perfect car in my eyes and I hate SUV’s but this is something special to me and I don’t know why.
I smashed Like so hard on my Steven Seagal playlist
I would agree that if you surround yourself with high energy and luxury vehicles it numbs your perceptions of the average person who would find the Macan exciting. It works for me and as you dive it you do become spoiled with the expectations, it's human nature. When someone asked Chuck Yeager to name the sports car he found exciting, he said "their isn't a car that excites me".
I love the *"POVERTY AUDIO"* option!
I wonder if the base sound system is really that bad. But yeah, I agree the base sound system shouldn't be the standard audio system for a GTS trim.
"Why do you need an SUV to also be a sports car?" ( 11:20 ). For the same reason why people need a truck to be a daily driver when they only have one person driving it, and they could rent a truck occasionally for when they need it. For the same reason why people would buy a gas car instead of buying an electric car for their daily needs, and renting another vehicle for a road trip. For the same reason why people would just shoot everything on a smartphone, instead of getting a "Proper" camera like a DSLR or camcorder for their video needs. People these days find it more convent to have something that does everything ok then to have different things that are amazing at specific applications.
I think this car is really for the enthusiast that needs a one car solution and can afford to spend in something more upscale. Maybe you live in an apartment or condo in a bigger city and have a small family but still want something that will scratch the enthusiast itch. I live in Boston where its either incredibly expensive or just plain difficult to find a home with room for more than one car. Something like this is a good blend of everything you’d want/need a car to do.
Nick Murray and the dudes from StraightPipes/Wayne's World heads have just exploded. Tui and Smudge, plus William the Gorilla too.
The top 6 reasons why you need a Porsche Macan GTS or Turbo Performance Package:
- Your wife can let you borrow it for a 4hr beer run.
- Baby seats for the twins in a 911 GT3 RS would look ridiculous and rip their heads off.
- You asked your wife if you can have a Porsche Cayman 718 GT4 4.0 for XMAS and she started laughing in your face in front of the kids.
- More cockpit switches than a Boeing 747 Jumbo-Jet
- BMW created the X3M/Comp to compete with the Porsche Macan GTS/Turbo just to make the choice 10x harder.
- Mid-life Crisis (I need a Porsche...any Porsche!!)
BTW You forgot to mention that the Macan 2.9L Turbo V6 is an Audi engine. The latest generation Porsche Macan is gorgeous, but the Audi 2.9L V6 is a deal breaker. No Porsche engine...No Deal. We REALLY need a Porsche Macan Turbo GT5 4.0. Hans Mezger is rolling in his grave.
Walking into the lions den on this one...Long time Porsche lover, and still waiting to get into my dream Porsche, but have a x3 m40i. My opinion - best of both worlds and am happy to drive this 365 days a year. The worse the weather the happier I am. As a Canadian I laugh at the subarus struggling in the snow while I decide whether to turn TC completely off or not. Will never replace a true sports car though and would never consider driving a Subaru or CRV for my “daily”
shoutout to illinois grain silos
- guy near ohio grain silos
Ah yes love gettin Goosed at 5 in the morning...
All jokes aside, well done on these videos guys, the quality is absolutely fantastic
Really?! Usable? Is that what you got driving this car? I suggest relearning the definition of fun car. 🤦🏻♀️
I currently have a corvette 2009 and had lots of fun with it. Still, I can’t drive it to the slopes in the winter. If you a sport car ‘driver’ you won’t easily switch to a big SUV which feels you’re dragging a wagon.
I tried Jeep, made a quick lane change in a highway, the car was dizzy for a while after. (Kidding, didn’t handle well as I expected but needed to test). Then test drove X4 M Competition. Great power but felt big and SUVie. Mecan presented the perfect size (if you have a big family buy a van), you don’t feel being detached from the road, great control of the vehicle, handling the fast turns perfectly and if you wanna go, it leaves the traffic behind easily. 👍🏼😎
I consider the purpose of its existence to be more of a fun way to get to work. Yes. You can get a base Macan and a used M2, but one commutes and the other one drives. On the other hand, the Macan GTS looks amazing, sounds great, drives like a beast, but is still civilized enough to-not just get around in relative comfort-but also to keep (or try to keep) a low profile at work, at school, in town, etc., and is not as big and regal as a Cayenne. I feel it is one of the greatest cars Porsche has ever added to their lineup.
I am 6 years into a first gen Macan S. It's by far better than the Boxster and Cayman that I had. And showing very little wear.
I'd buy one again.
as someone who had a m235i i can attest to this trend as I'm now in a new sq5. The thing with sporty cars is that they are impractical af and they're expensive. With my coupe, I had to store it during winters, get a third car as a beater to keep the mileage down, garage space etc. In the end, it was still compromised, impractical and just expensive. So we got rid of both and got a sporty SUV that can do way more day to day and provide around 8/10 the performance when i feel like driving like a D. I do miss my 6spd manual tho :(
11:50 Mark nails why I traded my Boxster S on this Macan GTS: living in a city, I was scraping the Boxster's front end every time I turned into a place, and that sound hurts your soul.
Haven't scraped the Macan once and it's as sporty as you need.
0:48 - 1:20 im with you man. the only difference is that i would take physical buttons 10 out of 10 times. too bad porsche is changing that to glossy black glass capacity switches ( in almost every new porsche).
Amazing engine sound.
11:37 It exist because I would argue a vast majority population who can swing a car like this would rather have the status symbol of owning a Porsche over a "regular" sub and "regular" sedan. I guess its the same reason people buy F250s to tow a small camper around when a mini van could do the same thing.
Yes, and because Porsche is known to have great high-priced value, cover all the areas high-quality, it tends to also be the brand for the beancounters. I mean, people shouldn't assume that those with high income just throw money around. There is a reason why many people have that much money. Because they are beancounters.
(This reminds me of a scene from Freaks and Geeks: 'Let's trick-or-treat at the rich people's houses first. They got the best candy.' - 'No, they got the worst. That's why they are rich.')
@@Dowlphin What "beancounter" thinks a Porsche is a good value? None. Even by German standards they've always been ludicrously overpriced, and that's not even mentioning their woeful reliability. The engineers are good at making them perform better than their VW and Audi kin, but they do nothing to make the reliability even acceptable. Beancounters are noted for being frugal, and no Porsche in decades has been inexpensive to buy or operate.
@@markmiller3279 I mean based on the uncompromising refinement you get, combined with everyday usability. A Porsche is probably better there than a Ferrari or Lamborghini. It's the 'mental' option, for those who don't mind lack of character but want sterile, rationally top performance and value. - Of course it's not the cheapest to maintain, but I'm talking about rich beancounters.
(Maybe the best example: Isn't Bill Gates driving Porsche?)
Here is the meaning of life: this SUV exists for all of us who have a 3rd wife. Presitious brand, European fit & finish, raised height, space for kids in the back. All the alternatives you mentioned are NOT THIS.
"this is definitely on the smaller side"
imo this thing is actually much larger than any porsche should be
I guess the Feb freeze has me triggered as @12:13 when jack came up to the wet spot in the road the thought "ICE!!!" literally screamed into my mind.
It's currently a 78° F in S.A.TX
/s
Get 'em now, kids. These are the last of the ICE Macans. Next generation will be 100% electric, at least according to the latest Porsche news.
why do you need a car like this? My friend has a 07 Carrera cabriolet as his summer car. Recently purchased a GTS to be his all weather car when it’s cold, rainy, or snowing. Now he has the best of both situations. If you can afford it why compromise?
Space to park it?
This is what I wanted my previous BMW's to be and more. Our 2018 Macan turbo chacks many boxes.
The steven Segal album was a nice touch lmao
14:03 Ah, a man of culture!
Listening to Steven Seagal in Macan. Dope!
The Patagonia reference is so meta
Porsche GTS is the sexiest small SUV on the market! Thank you Mr Geese!
Honestly looking at the prices of cpo GTS and Turbo models I’m rethinking if I should go for a M340i. I know it’s a suv but it’s very enticing
I'm impressed, it's not for me. But, I'm impressed with what Porsche is doing.
Here’s the thing. I like sports cars but I live in a typical suburban home with a two car garage. And I live in the northeast. So while my wife’s car and my old Alfa are snug in the garage my GTI sits outside in the rain, snow and sleet. It gets tedious. So I sell off the GTI and Alfa and buy the GTS. Viola. I have a sporty daily driver that pretty much satisfies all my needs for utility and driving fun and it fits in my garage. Track days? Naw. Spirited blasts about town? Hell yeah!
we say : VOILA*
I think Jack's comparison to the GTI sums up this car pretty well - it's a rich man's daily driver
In all honestly, I'm getting *tired* of UToob, SnotFlix, et.al. after 13 months at home. I barely get to touch my Alfa and I'm too exhausted to care about even your reviews anymore. That said, more on topic, considering the cousin-ry that this brand shares, the cleanliness and uptodateness of the interior could have been so much moar! What I find frustrating with this brand is the zillions of confusing options to choose from. My one and only ended up costing 47% over base price. Otherwise it all rocks, mostly.
For people who live in urban centers typically don't have more than 1 parking spot. Combined incomes with one spot leads people to the macan.
I have recently sold my 2011 Cayenne S and my daughter still drives my 2014 Cayenne Turbo. The. sum of my experiences would be that the cars are wonderful to drive and enjoy, but the engineering philosophy is sometimes hard to understand. Take oil changing, for example. In my wife's Subaru Forester XT the oil filter sits right up front and topside, making filter changes a 5 minute job; in the Porsches I have never even tried the job, but from reading about the access issues, I would not choose to---and oil changes are north of $200. So, Porsches are a treat to drive, but costs of fuel (premium only), routine maintenance and the inevitable major repairs are through the roof. And depreciation is a killer for all German cars---a far greater expense than repairs. I note that, with the exception of Consumer Reports, most car reviewers to not touch adequately on
try $300
Thanks for showing us what's underneath the engine cover! (I know there's not much to see, but I'm always curious)
The little hot V turbo's are pretty awesome if you ever get a close up look at this engine.
If I was back to commuting again, I'd probably have bought a Macan GTS. My motorcycle is already my fun vehicle, so I need my daily to have enough and practical enough to sit in between my wife's truck and my motorcycle. I don't need it to haul plywood, but I do need it to fit a shopping cart worth of groceries. As much as a 718 might be able to do that split between the front and rear, but it's a bit too impractical when I've already got an impractical bike.
It is what it is...scorching hot hot hatch with a slightly higher ride height. For that it does the job well, but anyone who really needs an SUV/crossover to haul kids around, or wilderness vacays need to look elsewhere. Like you guys said in the vid, this is a somewhat (if you make a decent salary) practical every day car for people who live where it snows several times a year. For someone in the sunbelt, makes less sense. Just get a real SUV winter beater and Miata (or sports car of choice) for fun..and even occasional daily.
I like sitting higher and going fast. Sports cars is like sitting on the floor.
Have to say I agree a utility vehicle such as an estate and a proper sports car would be my choice, over a 90k sports SUV.
Great video; balanced, like the vehicle in question
I'll take physical pedal switches all day long- just add one more...its for the F'in clutch. If I'm spending that much money, I better F'in have a manual shift. One of the better looking SUV's, mind. I'd still spend my money on a Cayman- the kids can walk. thanks for the review.
From a consumer point of view if could we compare it to the new golf R, if we could, where the Macan and the golf shines?
10 of 10 I agree with you bring back switches... in all cars, this screen stuff is a joke.
I'm with you, physical switches all the way !
Im planning buying an s for under 40k with lower miles..... needs to tow a little and have some awd capability for snow, and still be fun... currently in a grand cherokee srt and while it's fun it's not built as well as I'd like and 14mpg gets old
Savage Geese hates piano black so much I painted my grand piano red.
Do you have a Liberace candelabra, too?
Porsche has like 50 different versions of the same car and I love every single one of them!
How does this car compare to the Audi SQ5? Why would I buy this for 90k when the Audi SQ5 is in the 60k range?
I had a 2016 Macan Turbo and was very impressed with it compared to the BMWs from the past. I traded a 2014 M5 for it. Traded it for a 2018 M2 and then upgraded back to a new 2019 911 Carrera. When my lease is up on 2019 330xi, I may get another Macan again. Not sure if it will be GTS or Turbo.
No more Macan Turbo now... the 2022 Macan GTS is 440 hps, same as previous generation Macan Turbo.
Good morning. I appreciate your videos especially looking at the mechanics. Question - I watched on a few mechanic videos that one out of 2 Macan's leak oil; Porsche charges $9K to fix the problem? Can you comment on whether that ture or where can you find out if that is true or not? Also, it would be great if you could add a reliability factor during your wrap up. Keep up the great work? Thank-you.
I would like to see you two do a review on the 4 banger Macan.
If I ever have to trade my tuned Audi for something larger to accommodate a family, it would be this. Even if I do have a Cayman GT4 in the future, I still want something that is fun for a daily car and that isn't a complete pushover to have to get groceries in, or take kids to school.
Great vid. I have a question. I have porsche 718 and now I'm thinking of getting a car with more seats. I'm thinking Macan S (2022), Cayenne coupe S, and Panamera Sport Turisumo. Which one would you recommend and why? Thanks!
Definitely the best looking hatch wagon thing since the AMC Eagle
That got a smile out of me. The Eagle looked like a Hornet wagon wearing platform shoes.
Though niche, I live in NH on a dirt road that right now has 8" of mud on it and is in that shape a few weeks a year. Tons of the fun roads here are dirt and gravel. The pavement is often broken from frost heaves. Having something with some ground clearance and a good AWD setup that performs is pretty sweet for my conditions.
My poor GTi sits in the garage a lot so I don't rip the nose off of it on ice blocks or bend the suspension. I'm looking at this as a replacement as a dirt GTi and I wish there were other competent options at a lower price that could take dirt and gravel roads well and still perform. I'm also tall at 6'5" so very few vehicles even fit me at this point making it even more infuriating. I may actually just slump into a Highlander because, simply, it fits me.
The price on this will ultimately keep me away but it is as close to an Ariel Nomad that I might be able to fit in.
The STi's have looked like a suppository for so long now or I'd consider one of those.
Subaru Outback will handle all this well, we've used on for many years of gravel in the past, though the current CVT-only is a downer. Others; Volvo XC-40 seems a nicer smaller crossover, or Mazda CX5, both likely more fun than the Outback. More in left field, Jag F Pace is more sporty still with clearance, and more mainstream; the higher level Ford Edge drive quite nicely, have rented it a few times.
@@cmacd8879 Yeah I've got a 2013 Forester XT, but they dropped the turbo and went CVT which will never do the job now so Subaru is out until they stop the CVT nonsense. I've shopped a lot of the others and the AWD systems are just not really meant to be used regularly and the suspensions are mostly car/stamped sheet metal and will surely break. The XC-40 was a surprise in how roomy it was inside though but the suspension doesn't look like it would ever last.
I've had one of the new model Foresters with the CVT as a loaner and if you are doing 65 and punch it, they are gutless. My XT has just enough power to be adequate for getting up my hill in the mud and can still pass ok at highway speeds.
For now I'm tossing some new springs and Bilstein BP6's on the Forester to see if I get some more life out of it.
A 4runner would work here but it needs another 100HP. Maybe a 4Runner and a Magnuson supercharger could work.
I wish Subaru would bring back the turbo and stick a modern 8spd in their cars.
Did anyone catch the Brie Larson "Finally out of PE" song?