Magpul dynamics got everybody shooting with the C clamp and you are going to have everybody shooting with cheek pistol and cheek ar's. You watch. I have an eye for this kind of thing. I haven't fully created a weapon for this technique yet, but I took the stock off of my ar and going to the range this weekend to give it a try.
It went ok. I have to get the taller red dot mount. I have to bury my cheek into the buffer tube to much. Other than that, it went well. One of the range officers recognized what I was doing.
I thought this was total BS. Like, those self-defense videos from the early 90' s, kinda' BS, but with less VHS tracking issues. Until, that is, I tried clearing my house my way, then trying YOUR way. (with a friend) I apologize for my previous prejudice. You sold me. Your way is much better. Going to practice it more, tomorrow afternoon.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Do you think an AR pistol is the best way to get into experimenting with the cheek pistol concept, or should I go for the CP33? I've heard that the CP33 tends to have reliability issues.
I wonder if a collapsing and folding wire stick would be a worthy addition to this technique. You could fold it out of the way for cramped quarters and then deploy the stock in less cramped quarters for more solid points of contact. Absolutely love this outside of the box thinking! Keep it up!’
@@boymahina123 well yeah i practice doing that with it but i just moreover wanna see the technique used from a third person perspective to see if something can be done better for me
I absolutely love this cheek pistol concept and dont see any downsides to it. However, I would love to see a Devil's Advocate video on the cheek pistol concept too.
You know this would be great with something like the Foxtrot Mike FM9 upper (if you like AR9s). They have an ambi side charging handle that I think would make this really slick setup even faster
Would a platform without any buffer tube like a Sig MCX be beneficial for this technique, or is the option of a short buffer tube a benefit (like getting left eye on optic without leaning over the shell deflector)?
You still need real estate to actually get your cheek on and still have the optic a few inches forward and have a few inches of grip space for your support hand. The ar18 or ak style systems may have an advantage on the back side as long as the other requirements are met but shape is really important here and you'd have to test how the individual arm fits purpose. It's worth a shot. Try a range rental.
I have a Rattler 300. And the recoil alone puts the charging handle right into ya face and or nose as soon as ya fire. Notice he uses the buffer to maintain a gap from his face. U can leave a air gap as long as ya use a good sling tho and press outwards tho
But if ya looking for an ideal cheek pistol and haven't bought one yet I'd suggest building a MP-57 from a ruger 57. Csm sells the chassis. It's cheaper than a mcx 556 and maybe packs the same punch. Alot more than a 9mm. And it's so tiny I keep mine hid in my car in a lunchbox lol. And ya can put a brace/stock on it and it can fire while folded up. And then be concealed very easy also. Just an all around good weapon.. so long as ya had time to stick up on 5.7 ammo tho. Other than that it's pros vs cons can't be beat
@@hughgrection3052 Part of the point of the ar pistol is that there is no reciprocating charging handle to bop you in the face and .300blk is far more potent than 9, 5.7 or 45. Should be a cheaper build too and since you're scratch building it, you can pretty easily do full compliance for whatever state you're in while being an excellent option for a suppressor host sometime down the line. At that length, a piston system would be light and easy too, especially if you want to put a can on it sometime.
@@CtrlAltRetreat yeah I know. I own a Rattler 300 and many other ARs. I didn't mean to imply it reciprocated. Just meant if ya put ya face behind it any AR with more recoil than 556 will kick hard enough to hurt if ya put ya face right behind it. After my post tho I did sling up my Rattler and it does seem to be able to be held so u put the charging handle against ya chest tho and lay your face on the rail. But I have mine setup for regular shooting and have a rear sight and Eotech in the way to tell for sure if that can be done properly yet without actually stripping it down and firing it. I may try it this weekend. But even a long AR can be done by putting the stock over ya shoulder and laying ya face down on the rail as long as ya have a red dot on it like the concepts guy uses tho. But I mentioned price to the guy cause he said MCX.. not AR. yes ARs can be had for cheap. But MCX is around 3k right now. Pretty pricey. But said the MP-57 can be built for like 1k and he'd have the basic power of a 556 shorty plus other benefits. Many ways to go about this shooting method. I too like 300 but if ya not getting a piston rifle like a Rattler etc.. your gonna have an excessively long rifle. But gas setups are heavier tho I admit. But I'd say the Rattler is the best 300 setup cause of length alone. And I'm getting a can for it too soon. Can't wait. Gonna be a beast. But honestly if I had to reach for any of my PDWs and run out the door with it I'd grab my 57 build everytime cause it's tiny and light n mobile etc. Without compromises. I'm rambling at this point but long story short is I agree lol.
Wow. 🤯 I discovered this channel yesterday and hopped down the cheeking the tube/cheek-gun rabbit hole I guess. Have been trying to figure out how realistically finish off my grendel and blackout pistol uppers I've had laying around for 4 years. Now that braces are no go. This give me inspiration. Curious what you think about that CMMG 22lr conversion bolt that doesn't require a buffer tube... And sounds like you're a fan of 22lr for home defense.
Rhett I've been following for a while and really love the work you're doing. I know you've done some AR Pistol work would you be willing to do more work like that like what you've done with the shotgun? Ex...more close up standards and recoil control stuff. Please and keep up the great work.
Just found you, been binge watching since. As an alternative for the keltec as a cheek pistol look into the Custom Smith Mfg MP57 Chassis for the Ruger 57 pistol. I think itd might be very well suited for the role!
there are a number of purpose built AR uppers that allow you to use the gun while folded and have non-reciprocating charging handles. MCX being probably the most popular, but also the FM15 gen 2 and ARAK. and bullpups are always an option, which this cheek pistol concept appears to be one degree removed from. evolution weapons systems sells the bufferless BCG which drops into any DI AR15 and allows you to remove the buffer assembly from the gun entirely.
Hey Rhett, not sure if this is a silly question but I’m curious about where your cheek is making contact with your shotguns when you are using them. I have not been able to find a cheek weld position that seems natural and comfortable.
This is why I only clear handicap accessible bad guy houses with double wide doorways so I can bring a punt gun lol. I'm kidding of course. I only use rifles on handicap bad guys lol. Yet another video where my MP-57 would come in handy tho!😁
I love that you're doing something new and you're showing that skill alone can overcome gear and Brawn. I like to see you delve a little deeper into your concept trying to find where it's weak. For instance when you're injured what are you going to do I'm not saying get shot but if you're injured enough to let's say that your arms are weak cuz maybe you hurt your shoulder climbing a ladder or you got punched or kicked or you got roughed up or you got pushed down cuz explosion went off and it forced you the floor and hurt you how are you going to stabilize the cheek pistol what about if you hurt your neck ext. I think it's great that you can prove people that you can basically just have no stock and do that high performance shooting but I think that you should try and really push your concept and see where it's weak. You had a stock you could stabilize your gun even though your shoulder is dislocated when you have a cheap pistol you have to stabilize it with your arms and your cheek which means that your arms have to be strong. In combat conditions or even just a small self-defense against incident with multiple attackers you need to be able to fight. So maybe you could do something like I don't know work out all day or run a marathon or something then use a cheek pistol and then do the same thing with the stock gun and see if you can do just as well
Loved the idea of the cheek pistol, but being a leftie pretty much excluded me from using the CP33. But using an AR would be a game changer for us southpaws. Recreating this setup with a Stag Arms left-handed receiver set should work great. We probably wouldn't be able to use the Brass Goat and the ejection port cover might have to be removed (flips upwards), but otherwise should be doable. Thanks for the inspiration.
can a fellow leftie get a report back? did you do it? Do you love it? Looks to me like the brass goat with a standard receiver would work well enough for southpaws. Would love a firsthand account tho.
After seeing you on InRange a while back, and now Lucky Gunner... I'm here to stay. Good videos, and even cooler concepts. Keep it up. Pioneer shit right hea 👊
But my wife says, "Don't even THINK of clearing the house." Technology to the rescue: infrared cameras and LOUD multiple speakers throughout, connected to your phone. Tell the bad guy you can provide him serious bodily harm if he doesn't vamoose. Stay put with your chosen firearm and watch him on your cameras. You now have the start of a different, safer home invasion "drill."
You do always need to enter a breach muzzle first, the only exception is if your buddy is standing in front of you, and you are not short stocking properly if you can't accurately engage. You are correct about not needing to shoulder it to fire. Seek more training.
which mount and optic do you recommend? Since home defense would involve 12-30 feet distances, how would you zero this optic? Think this concept makes more sense than any I've seen for home.
If you're willing to SBR it, yes it would work. Mine is 21 1/4" with the flash hider (~19 1/4" barrel only) and 25 1/2" with a suppressor (YHM Turbo 556). Keep in mind 5.7x28mm isn't really AP by today's standards. One, the factory cartridges are underloaded and the AP stuff (SS190) is very difficult to obtain since it's only sold to the police and militaries. Two, even the AP stuff is only AP by 1990's standards, it will get stopped by modern ceramic/steel body armor.
Fascinating video. I'd like to adapt this to a Ruger Charger 9mm. Would you recommend an adapter for the short buffer tube like on an AR? Or do you have another recommendation?
I've wanted a cp 33 since I first saw them. I love kel tec's quirkiness and innovation. Your cheek pistol technique seems super dope. I have a cmr 30 that I was just toying around with doing this technique but it's a full 16" rifle with collapsing stock. The stock collapses pretty far down to the point where it doesn't seem to get in the way and you can use the stock as a cheek anchor point like you do on the cp 33. I'd be curios to hear your take on how effective a small bump in power to 22wmr out of a cmr 30 sbr with a barrel cut and threaded right past the handguard would be, even though sbr regulations are dumb and it would be a big hassle.
I don’t believe you stress getting meaningfully better performance with 22wmr. I do believe you are getting significantly more expensive ammo, and less reliability than 22 punch.
I enjoy your videos. I believe you are editing at a volume that is about 10db quieter than most other videos I click through, so you might want to up the volume, and perhaps up the energy as well since I'm being critical here. (volume and energy changed significantly at 6:00, but some of your audience probably clicked away by then).
I am having trouble hearing you up with my volume maxed out on my iPad, unless I am in a silent room. When you switch to your running drills, I could hear you just fine.
I'm surprised your aren't running a side charging upper. It seems like that charging handle would be super uncomfortable at best. Does it not bother you?
If you see his elbow and determined he is a threat why are you "popping through"? I'm going to give your method a try but I struggle to see much benefit beyond niche scenarios (having to take a shot beyond 25 yards immediately from a door threshold)
What is the grip? I've also changed to the same tube but it short cycles now with the stiffer flat spring. Previoulsy the A5 buffer and rifle spring worked great.
ROOM CLEARING: The vast majority of civilian home owners are far better off remaining hidden and quiet behind concealment-cover while on 911, waiting like a cat , letting the felon / intruder/s be the wandering mouse. Even if I am outside coming up to my broken into home, I am still going to be the silent and perfectly still ambush' er. The only time I am going to clear my home is if a loved one is between me and the criminal/s. You're innovations are well though out.
I know this is 2 years old but some of us have a family to protect. I don't have the luxury of hiding...my kids get to hide unfortunately I have to go find the bad guy and hopefully not get hit 😂
Sir, you are producing some of the most practical and thought-provoking content on the Interweb. What is your round of choice on that 300 shorty? Thank you.
Thank you! On the high end, I’ve found the TTSX to be both accurate and good in terminal performance. At the lower end, most supersonic soft points perform well at lower velocities through the shorter 5” barrels.
Problem with most ak builds is top rail real estate. If you have one with a good rail on the forend it could be fine. Just keep in mind you'll need space for cheek contact, black eye prevention buffer space, optic, hand, and hook hand prevention space between the rest part of the gun and the flashy boom boom part. Also you'll need to see how far back holding a grip compared to the cheek and and optic you're comfortable with. I expect that to be a rather personal answer that others can't give much guidance on. This is something the ole broomstick gun can give you guidance on nicely.
🤣 who is more likely a fed; me finding a way around unconstitutional garbage or is it all the haterbots encouraging you to commit felonies and admit to them in the comments?
Hey buddy. How would your cheek pistol concept work if you hand to switch mid fight to your left hand? Also if peeking a round to the left would you change anything; hands and/or cheeks, something else entirely?k x
Great video sir, your concept is almost perfect but you are limited by the tool in your hands. The evolution weapons system bolt will allow you to shorten the gun even more. It uses a bufferless bolt that allows you to get rid of the buffer tube on your build. Your technique does not require you to need a buffertube.
My firearms instructor from skills sent me this link. I cannot believe this isn't taught to law enforcement since dealing with violent domestics, room clearing for active shooters, etc. Cannot wait to build this style AR! I'll contact once I have some more income or even department approval for training. THANK YOU!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't a "bullpup pistol" with a brace achieve this same maneuverability? I've honestly been surprised that no one has manufactured and sold such a gun.
Short Barrel ARs in 556 or 300.. in confined spaces... suck. If you keep your wits about you after one shot next to a wall, cheers to you. The shadow in 6:27 before you break the corner.
If only there was a way to prove silencers to be an aid in self defense rather then assisting criminals in conducting unlawful acts based on PRECIDENT. Seems to me if they run in favor of the criminal, we have reached a point of no return?
ok so the problem with this pitch, there are a couple, but ok, let's just take it on the chin that you need to fit a rifle perfectly lengthwise through a 24" doorway, which, i don't think you actually have to do, even in your scenario, i think you blade off and i don't think I'd have any problem working even your exact problem with a 14.5, certainly not with a 10.3 or indeed a 7.5" gun, but OK i won't make a video about that, so i'll just give it to you outright, I'm still going to want a stock for pretty much every other thing i do in or outside of a house. like, every other thing i do in the world, i want a stock. what you're identifying here, to me, is an argument for something like the LMT CSW stock, but it isn't an argument for a raw tube shoved up against the side of my respirator or my cheek sweat.
1- If smaller wasn’t easier, tier 1 guys wouldn’t constantly be gravitating towards smaller guns for clearing. 2- you THINK you need the stock. My videos and my students repeatedly show the same performance without a stock. Unsupported hits at 300yd. .14 splits in cqb distance. Faster transitions. All while getting a more mobile and compact shooting structure that lends itself to the most common environments homes and vehicles.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 i'm aware that you're able to stabilize your cheek pistol, but no, it isn't as good as having my weight loaded on a rifle and using my hips to index a firearm, a stock simply is going to be better. smaller, sure! yes small is good. i think something like the CSW or other kind of SBR type builds are great. but the only context where removing that overall length, you say 3", i think there are a lot of stock options, we could argue about how much you're even saving, the only context where cutting that out is helping you is this contrivance of literally holding the gun end to end and fitting it through a gap or into a case to carry. and that advantage disappears the second you have to also fit me and my web gear through the same port, even if you give me a USW, i'm still going to have to blade off and take the door at an oblique angle. i think it's creative and neat how you shoot guns. but no, it's not the way forward for clearing rooms and doorways.
Bang head shot from the guy waiting dwn that long hallway..and yes your method makes sense sorry but that optic flash gave you away....ya kno from the crimnal perspective..👍👍
Are you clearing from a closet dude? Wtf. 10-15 is an easy shot. Set this up on a range and do this and I’ll post a counter video with a 10.3 with a 9” suppressor and show how ridiculous this is. Stop.
Magpul dynamics got everybody shooting with the C clamp and you are going to have everybody shooting with cheek pistol and cheek ar's. You watch. I have an eye for this kind of thing. I haven't fully created a weapon for this technique yet, but I took the stock off of my ar and going to the range this weekend to give it a try.
Hammer Down.. 🆘🇺🇸🤙🏼🌲
HOW DID IT GO
It went ok. I have to get the taller red dot mount. I have to bury my cheek into the buffer tube to much. Other than that, it went well. One of the range officers recognized what I was doing.
@@victorkyoshi PRETTY COOL. HAVE A GOOD DAY
I thought this was total BS. Like, those self-defense videos from the early 90' s, kinda' BS, but with less VHS tracking issues.
Until, that is, I tried clearing my house my way, then trying YOUR way. (with a friend)
I apologize for my previous prejudice. You sold me. Your way is much better.
Going to practice it more, tomorrow afternoon.
You’ve given me some things to think about. Thank you.
So inspiring, keep it up brother!
Love how this guy thinks outside the box
And inside the house
And inside cars
Congratulations on being spoken about so glowingly by Baker on Lucky Gunner!
Thanks!
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 What is the cover you have on top of the receiver?
@@jasonadams8549 looks like a brass catcher.
This build baffles me and I want to know more. Good video for sure
Is a 1.93" mount necessary for this concept to work well on an AR or is a lower 1/3 cowitness height mount feasible?
1.93 is MUCH better.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Do you think an AR pistol is the best way to get into experimenting with the cheek pistol concept, or should I go for the CP33? I've heard that the CP33 tends to have reliability issues.
Could this be done with a Kriss Vector?
Can you give a build list for this setup? Thanks!
I wonder if a collapsing and folding wire stick would be a worthy addition to this technique. You could fold it out of the way for cramped quarters and then deploy the stock in less cramped quarters for more solid points of contact. Absolutely love this outside of the box thinking! Keep it up!’
would you try any of this with the raider scr lower? Its an ar15 lower that’s practically a shockwave grip
Unironically this.
^^^ that would make for such a cool, and actually practical, lil gat 😉
I made one and i don’t really get to use it but i hardly find videos on it… then i found this mans channel and that cheek pistol concept kinda genius
I'm thinking apply the shockwave grip cheek weld technique to the SCR Raider
@@boymahina123 well yeah i practice doing that with it but i just moreover wanna see the technique used from a third person perspective to see if something can be done better for me
Great video. Very educational, and long time needed.
I absolutely love this cheek pistol concept and dont see any downsides to it. However, I would love to see a Devil's Advocate video on the cheek pistol concept too.
Have you tried the concept with the IWI uzi pro or any other non b&t or keltec options with that same format?
Getting ready to work with some Macs
You know this would be great with something like the Foxtrot Mike FM9 upper (if you like AR9s). They have an ambi side charging handle that I think would make this really slick setup even faster
Would a platform without any buffer tube like a Sig MCX be beneficial for this technique, or is the option of a short buffer tube a benefit (like getting left eye on optic without leaning over the shell deflector)?
You still need real estate to actually get your cheek on and still have the optic a few inches forward and have a few inches of grip space for your support hand. The ar18 or ak style systems may have an advantage on the back side as long as the other requirements are met but shape is really important here and you'd have to test how the individual arm fits purpose. It's worth a shot. Try a range rental.
I have a Rattler 300. And the recoil alone puts the charging handle right into ya face and or nose as soon as ya fire. Notice he uses the buffer to maintain a gap from his face. U can leave a air gap as long as ya use a good sling tho and press outwards tho
But if ya looking for an ideal cheek pistol and haven't bought one yet I'd suggest building a MP-57 from a ruger 57. Csm sells the chassis. It's cheaper than a mcx 556 and maybe packs the same punch. Alot more than a 9mm. And it's so tiny I keep mine hid in my car in a lunchbox lol. And ya can put a brace/stock on it and it can fire while folded up. And then be concealed very easy also. Just an all around good weapon.. so long as ya had time to stick up on 5.7 ammo tho. Other than that it's pros vs cons can't be beat
@@hughgrection3052
Part of the point of the ar pistol is that there is no reciprocating charging handle to bop you in the face and .300blk is far more potent than 9, 5.7 or 45. Should be a cheaper build too and since you're scratch building it, you can pretty easily do full compliance for whatever state you're in while being an excellent option for a suppressor host sometime down the line. At that length, a piston system would be light and easy too, especially if you want to put a can on it sometime.
@@CtrlAltRetreat yeah I know. I own a Rattler 300 and many other ARs. I didn't mean to imply it reciprocated. Just meant if ya put ya face behind it any AR with more recoil than 556 will kick hard enough to hurt if ya put ya face right behind it. After my post tho I did sling up my Rattler and it does seem to be able to be held so u put the charging handle against ya chest tho and lay your face on the rail. But I have mine setup for regular shooting and have a rear sight and Eotech in the way to tell for sure if that can be done properly yet without actually stripping it down and firing it. I may try it this weekend. But even a long AR can be done by putting the stock over ya shoulder and laying ya face down on the rail as long as ya have a red dot on it like the concepts guy uses tho. But I mentioned price to the guy cause he said MCX.. not AR. yes ARs can be had for cheap. But MCX is around 3k right now. Pretty pricey. But said the MP-57 can be built for like 1k and he'd have the basic power of a 556 shorty plus other benefits. Many ways to go about this shooting method. I too like 300 but if ya not getting a piston rifle like a Rattler etc.. your gonna have an excessively long rifle. But gas setups are heavier tho I admit. But I'd say the Rattler is the best 300 setup cause of length alone. And I'm getting a can for it too soon. Can't wait. Gonna be a beast. But honestly if I had to reach for any of my PDWs and run out the door with it I'd grab my 57 build everytime cause it's tiny and light n mobile etc. Without compromises. I'm rambling at this point but long story short is I agree lol.
Wow. 🤯 I discovered this channel yesterday and hopped down the cheeking the tube/cheek-gun rabbit hole I guess. Have been trying to figure out how realistically finish off my grendel and blackout pistol uppers I've had laying around for 4 years. Now that braces are no go. This give me inspiration. Curious what you think about that CMMG 22lr conversion bolt that doesn't require a buffer tube... And sounds like you're a fan of 22lr for home defense.
Have you tried using the uzi or Mac 10 or 11? Whatever happened to the Steyr spp?
Rhett I've been following for a while and really love the work you're doing. I know you've done some AR Pistol work would you be willing to do more work like that like what you've done with the shotgun? Ex...more close up standards and recoil control stuff. Please and keep up the great work.
Just found you, been binge watching since. As an alternative for the keltec as a cheek pistol look into the Custom Smith Mfg MP57 Chassis for the Ruger 57 pistol. I think itd might be very well suited for the role!
there are a number of purpose built AR uppers that allow you to use the gun while folded and have non-reciprocating charging handles. MCX being probably the most popular, but also the FM15 gen 2 and ARAK.
and bullpups are always an option, which this cheek pistol concept appears to be one degree removed from.
evolution weapons systems sells the bufferless BCG which drops into any DI AR15 and allows you to remove the buffer assembly from the gun entirely.
Hey Rhett, not sure if this is a silly question but I’m curious about where your cheek is making contact with your shotguns when you are using them. I have not been able to find a cheek weld position that seems natural and comfortable.
Knotted muscle on the mandible.
This is why I only clear handicap accessible bad guy houses with double wide doorways so I can bring a punt gun lol. I'm kidding of course. I only use rifles on handicap bad guys lol. Yet another video where my MP-57 would come in handy tho!😁
The CP 33
Yep... have a good'un
I love that you're doing something new and you're showing that skill alone can overcome gear and Brawn. I like to see you delve a little deeper into your concept trying to find where it's weak. For instance when you're injured what are you going to do I'm not saying get shot but if you're injured enough to let's say that your arms are weak cuz maybe you hurt your shoulder climbing a ladder or you got punched or kicked or you got roughed up or you got pushed down cuz explosion went off and it forced you the floor and hurt you how are you going to stabilize the cheek pistol what about if you hurt your neck ext. I think it's great that you can prove people that you can basically just have no stock and do that high performance shooting but I think that you should try and really push your concept and see where it's weak. You had a stock you could stabilize your gun even though your shoulder is dislocated when you have a cheap pistol you have to stabilize it with your arms and your cheek which means that your arms have to be strong. In combat conditions or even just a small self-defense against incident with multiple attackers you need to be able to fight.
So maybe you could do something like I don't know work out all day or run a marathon or something then use a cheek pistol and then do the same thing with the stock gun and see if you can do just as well
Loved the idea of the cheek pistol, but being a leftie pretty much excluded me from using the CP33. But using an AR would be a game changer for us southpaws. Recreating this setup with a Stag Arms left-handed receiver set should work great. We probably wouldn't be able to use the Brass Goat and the ejection port cover might have to be removed (flips upwards), but otherwise should be doable. Thanks for the inspiration.
can a fellow leftie get a report back? did you do it? Do you love it? Looks to me like the brass goat with a standard receiver would work well enough for southpaws. Would love a firsthand account tho.
Really good stuff, man.
Great observations.
Everyone else is here for the gun content, I'm here for the Stanley FatMax content.
After seeing you on InRange a while back, and now Lucky Gunner... I'm here to stay. Good videos, and even cooler concepts. Keep it up. Pioneer shit right hea 👊
But my wife says, "Don't even THINK of clearing the house." Technology to the rescue: infrared cameras and LOUD multiple speakers throughout, connected to your phone. Tell the bad guy you can provide him serious bodily harm if he doesn't vamoose. Stay put with your chosen firearm and watch him on your cameras. You now have the start of a different, safer home invasion "drill."
We all don't have the luxury of hiding...some of us have kids to protect.
You do always need to enter a breach muzzle first, the only exception is if your buddy is standing in front of you, and you are not short stocking properly if you can't accurately engage. You are correct about not needing to shoulder it to fire. Seek more training.
which mount and optic do you recommend? Since home defense would involve 12-30 feet distances, how would you zero this optic? Think this concept makes more sense than any I've seen for home.
Will a p90 fit? I'm thinking of what armor defeating cartridges would work here
If you're willing to SBR it, yes it would work. Mine is 21 1/4" with the flash hider (~19 1/4" barrel only) and 25 1/2" with a suppressor (YHM Turbo 556).
Keep in mind 5.7x28mm isn't really AP by today's standards. One, the factory cartridges are underloaded and the AP stuff (SS190) is very difficult to obtain since it's only sold to the police and militaries. Two, even the AP stuff is only AP by 1990's standards, it will get stopped by modern ceramic/steel body armor.
@@respen43 I've heard level iv plates can stop .30-06, so will i need hotter cartridges than that to be really "armor-piercing"?
Have you seen the CSM MP-57 chassis for the Ruger 57? With the right-side charging handle option it might make for a pretty solid cheek pistol.
That’s a neat shell catcher. Also you might wanna add a charging handle first 😂
Oof didn’t realize you had dry fire system in
Fascinating video. I'd like to adapt this to a Ruger Charger 9mm. Would you recommend an adapter for the short buffer tube like on an AR? Or do you have another recommendation?
Interesting guy, well thought out problem solving. Would like to know background.
Who else came here from LuckyGunner!?! Love the concept videos! 😍
I've wanted a cp 33 since I first saw them. I love kel tec's quirkiness and innovation. Your cheek pistol technique seems super dope. I have a cmr 30 that I was just toying around with doing this technique but it's a full 16" rifle with collapsing stock. The stock collapses pretty far down to the point where it doesn't seem to get in the way and you can use the stock as a cheek anchor point like you do on the cp 33. I'd be curios to hear your take on how effective a small bump in power to 22wmr out of a cmr 30 sbr with a barrel cut and threaded right past the handguard would be, even though sbr regulations are dumb and it would be a big hassle.
I don’t believe you stress getting meaningfully better performance with 22wmr. I do believe you are getting significantly more expensive ammo, and less reliability than 22 punch.
What's up with that --- brass deflector?
Wondering the same. Looks like it has a magazine in it.
Brass goat. Catches brass and keeps it from bounce back malfs (cars/barriers). Mitigates gas spray when shooting lefty.
Testing it. So far I like. Not sold, but so far no issues in 300rnds
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 or if you want to be a criminal, leave no brass behind……..
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Thanks for the reply
I enjoy your videos. I believe you are editing at a volume that is about 10db quieter than most other videos I click through, so you might want to up the volume, and perhaps up the energy as well since I'm being critical here. (volume and energy changed significantly at 6:00, but some of your audience probably clicked away by then).
I am having trouble hearing you up with my volume maxed out on my iPad, unless I am in a silent room. When you switch to your running drills, I could hear you just fine.
Do you have a video on the build you're using here?
I'm surprised your aren't running a side charging upper. It seems like that charging handle would be super uncomfortable at best. Does it not bother you?
What are some of your favorite TH-cam channels?
What about with a gun like a Ruger PC Charger in 9mm would this technique work? It almost has the correct form factor.
Great! I need to build a gun like that.
This just tells me I need narrower doors in my house.
If you see his elbow and determined he is a threat why are you "popping through"? I'm going to give your method a try but I struggle to see much benefit beyond niche scenarios (having to take a shot beyond 25 yards immediately from a door threshold)
What is the grip? I've also changed to the same tube but it short cycles now with the stiffer flat spring. Previoulsy the A5 buffer and rifle spring worked great.
Assuming you were running the A5 because that gun wouldn’t cycle with a regular buffer system?
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I use the a5 because of the softer operating feel.
Ever since then I’ve had a lasers It really helped him a lot
Good stuff
What buffer and spring are you using in that tiny tube?
Also what is that gadget in the first section of the video, looks like a second magazine holder?
Strike Industries buffer, tube, and flat spring.
Is their any plans to get the dead foot arms reduced bcg?
I’ll take a look.
Awesome work man! God bless.
Thanks for taking the time to make this content. What kind of sling is that ?
Looks Frank Proctor Sling to me
Seen this technique reminds me of an FN p90
Where do you buy stairs that don’t creek
What is that brass catcher called
ROOM CLEARING: The vast majority of civilian home owners are far better off remaining hidden and quiet behind concealment-cover while on 911, waiting like a cat , letting the felon / intruder/s be the wandering mouse. Even if I am outside coming up to my broken into home, I am still going to be the silent and perfectly still ambush' er. The only time I am going to clear my home is if a loved one is between me and the criminal/s. You're innovations are well though out.
"The vast majority of civilian home owners are far better off remaining hidden and quiet behind concealment-cover while on 911"
I know this is 2 years old but some of us have a family to protect. I don't have the luxury of hiding...my kids get to hide unfortunately I have to go find the bad guy and hopefully not get hit 😂
The ATF hates you..😂😂😂❤
Sir, you are producing some of the most practical and thought-provoking content on the Interweb. What is your round of choice on that 300 shorty? Thank you.
Thank you! On the high end, I’ve found the TTSX to be both accurate and good in terminal performance. At the lower end, most supersonic soft points perform well at lower velocities through the shorter 5” barrels.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Outstanding! Thank you for your reply, sir. Stay safe.
Love to see your take on a ak pistol or one of the micro aks
Problem with most ak builds is top rail real estate. If you have one with a good rail on the forend it could be fine. Just keep in mind you'll need space for cheek contact, black eye prevention buffer space, optic, hand, and hook hand prevention space between the rest part of the gun and the flashy boom boom part. Also you'll need to see how far back holding a grip compared to the cheek and and optic you're comfortable with. I expect that to be a rather personal answer that others can't give much guidance on. This is something the ole broomstick gun can give you guidance on nicely.
@@CtrlAltRetreat Just get an ultimak rail. Theyre relatively cheap. Also you typed all that out without saying anything
Man, I wanna see this demo'd in a video.
Have you had the chance to try this with a Sig Rattler?
Yeah. Works.
Cheek pistol concept is an ATF psyop
🤣 who is more likely a fed; me finding a way around unconstitutional garbage or is it all the haterbots encouraging you to commit felonies and admit to them in the comments?
Hey buddy.
How would your cheek pistol concept work if you hand to switch mid fight to your left hand?
Also if peeking a round to the left would you change anything; hands and/or cheeks, something else entirely?k x
Hey- look closely. I run from the left cheek for half the video. Transition is fast enough to miss. Tube to cheek. No worries.
Can you do a video on that gun? :)
You can't put Star Trek level brass deflectors on your pistol in not tell people what the heck it is.
Great video sir, your concept is almost perfect but you are limited by the tool in your hands. The evolution weapons system bolt will allow you to shorten the gun even more. It uses a bufferless bolt that allows you to get rid of the buffer tube on your build. Your technique does not require you to need a buffertube.
would you consider a Ruger 22 Charger as a possible candidate for a cheekpistol? Interested to hear ur thoughts =)
They work
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Nice! any suggestions on accessories to set it up with?
Check out the x95 shorty in 300 BLK. Problem solved
My firearms instructor from skills sent me this link. I cannot believe this isn't taught to law enforcement since dealing with violent domestics, room clearing for active shooters, etc.
Cannot wait to build this style AR!
I'll contact once I have some more income or even department approval for training.
THANK YOU!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't a "bullpup pistol" with a brace achieve this same maneuverability? I've honestly been surprised that no one has manufactured and sold such a gun.
Short Barrel ARs in 556 or 300.. in confined spaces... suck. If you keep your wits about you after one shot next to a wall, cheers to you.
The shadow in 6:27 before you break the corner.
If only there was a way to prove silencers to be an aid in self defense rather then assisting criminals in conducting unlawful acts based on PRECIDENT. Seems to me if they run in favor of the criminal, we have reached a point of no return?
ok so the problem with this pitch, there are a couple, but ok, let's just take it on the chin that you need to fit a rifle perfectly lengthwise through a 24" doorway, which, i don't think you actually have to do, even in your scenario, i think you blade off and i don't think I'd have any problem working even your exact problem with a 14.5, certainly not with a 10.3 or indeed a 7.5" gun, but OK i won't make a video about that, so i'll just give it to you outright, I'm still going to want a stock for pretty much every other thing i do in or outside of a house. like, every other thing i do in the world, i want a stock. what you're identifying here, to me, is an argument for something like the LMT CSW stock, but it isn't an argument for a raw tube shoved up against the side of my respirator or my cheek sweat.
1- If smaller wasn’t easier, tier 1 guys wouldn’t constantly be gravitating towards smaller guns for clearing.
2- you THINK you need the stock. My videos and my students repeatedly show the same performance without a stock. Unsupported hits at 300yd. .14 splits in cqb distance. Faster transitions.
All while getting a more mobile and compact shooting structure that lends itself to the most common environments homes and vehicles.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 i'm aware that you're able to stabilize your cheek pistol, but no, it isn't as good as having my weight loaded on a rifle and using my hips to index a firearm, a stock simply is going to be better.
smaller, sure! yes small is good. i think something like the CSW or other kind of SBR type builds are great. but the only context where removing that overall length, you say 3", i think there are a lot of stock options, we could argue about how much you're even saving, the only context where cutting that out is helping you is this contrivance of literally holding the gun end to end and fitting it through a gap or into a case to carry. and that advantage disappears the second you have to also fit me and my web gear through the same port, even if you give me a USW, i'm still going to have to blade off and take the door at an oblique angle.
i think it's creative and neat how you shoot guns. but no, it's not the way forward for clearing rooms and doorways.
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Meanwhile the fudds in paul harrel's comment section are arguing about whether short stocking is real or not
Bang head shot from the guy waiting dwn that long hallway..and yes your method makes sense sorry but that optic flash gave you away....ya kno from the crimnal perspective..👍👍
Are you clearing from a closet dude? Wtf. 10-15 is an easy shot. Set this up on a range and do this and I’ll post a counter video with a 10.3 with a 9” suppressor and show how ridiculous this is. Stop.
Post the video