"Brace" for impact haha lololol Please consider donating to a firearms advocacy group of your choice. Here are two options: www.firearmspolicy.org/ www.gunowners.org/
Me prior to this video: _"I would never send a dick pic to anyone. That's lewd and disgusting."_ Me after this video: _"Dear ATF, Please inform me if my gun in this picture counts as an SBR."_
My Dad only knew about this ruling recently, and only cause I told him. He doesn't follow gun news and bought his CZ Scorpion with an arm brace, not knowing it wasn't even a stock. Imagine the thousands if not millions of people out there who are about to become felons without ever knowing it.
Those are the folks who are going to get bound up. Someone like your dad bought it not really knowing anything but it was cool/worked/was what they needed. They happen to be the unlucky victim of a home invasion and use the braced pistol to defend their lives…. And now they’re in court for federal charges
I can imagine. And we need those people to not know. The more of those people who get arrested, the better our chances of shutting this down for being over reach in violation Constitution, an attempt at entrapment, and at worse demonstrate that braced pistols are widespread, and at best if the ATF is right and these are SBRs then there are millions of SBRs in use and use it to kick a couple legs of out from under NFA34. This is lawfare.
@@SP-ny7lw SBR's are defined by laws. The ATF just can't suddenly say something is a NFA item. If that were the case... the ATF can just say AR-15 needs a tax stamp and be registered. Which they very may well try if the pistol brace thing withstands court challenges.
Just simply say you lost them, and just so you know when they serve a search warrant they don't excavate or dig up your property. And there are plenty of good methods for storing firearms underground. Bury em boys. Never hand them over.
Can we stop pretending as if this word game makes a shit bit of difference? One side has a monopoly on violence and is willing to use it to enforce their will and then there is everyone else online saying akshually this technically x instead of y. It doesn't matter if they call it the pretty pink pony compromise of 2023. If they aren't challenged in the courts and they can send armed individuals to your house with the implicit threat of lethal force without any other legal entity that can not only determine it is unlawful, and enforce that determination their own agents, the technically correct legal definitions don't make a lick of difference.
What's crazy isn't all of the people who've done pistol builds, but the random people who have literally walked into a store and bought a braced gun as a pistol and now they have NO idea about any of this.
It seems everyone is eternally missing the point...stop demanding to be allowed pistol braces, start demanding to be allowed unrestricted SBRs. Gun people are always bitterly clinging to their legal loopholes
I think people cling to the loopholes because until recently, the Supreme Court didn't take up many, if any second amendment cases, so anything anyone wanted had to be trick shots around arbitrary rules and vague language.
It’s not a loophole though it’s following the law. Following the law is not a loophole. If people did not want the law to be written that way they would write it a different way. You’re buying into anti-gun nonsense and assuming that loopholes are even a thing. Being able to privately sell another individual a firearm is not a loophole. But the gun show loophole people who are anti-gun say it is. Why are you using antigun logic. If you care about the second amendment at all.
The document states what is unsaid by nature. We have the right to self defense and can only remain free with the ability to commit violence against our leaders should they step out of line. We all know what needs to be done, but how many of us are willing to throw ourselves into the fire for eachother?
If you someone isn't willing to get in a gunfight with the ATF I don't see what doing either will really accomplish. We already know the ATF will selectively enforce this rule and only go after their political enemies.
@@newerest1 which is everyone who owns a brace, among others. They’ll go for the high profile ones first of course, but don’t mistake for one moment if an easy opportunity comes by they’ll bind up an average Joe and ruin his life for kicks
Good to have friends and communities that stand together. Get with your local PDs, start making the effort. If you dont, then no one else is going to. Communication is key here. Find out what the sheriff or chief is going to do and if theyre against it, then you need to get the entire town or city thats a gun owner on your side and educated. The ATF is just a group of people, and they arent highly trained. The taliban would eat them for a snack
And im in federal prison means some donut stuffer did a traffic stop after range day and decided to search the vehicle. This "rule change" is meant more to penalize and spite pro 2a folks than it is to enforce the sbr law that is a remnant loophole closing to a pistol ban that never made it through.
Hop shall forever be in the Federal Registry (as a reference). A huge feat that almost no one can boast about or get credit for. Keep up the awesome content.
@@Puca_Patchworks I have my criticisms of him, especially in the latter years, but at least when they talked about banning things by EO or a “rule” back in 2013 he didn’t just advocate compliance as an option like many are doing now.
The ATF isn't a regulatory body voted into power, they are an enforcement agency (executive, they execute the will of the legislative branch), they are taking it upon themselves to interpret unclear laws in a manner that suits their political beliefs, which is outside of their purview. They believe they have precedence to do so under Chevron Deference, which was established by courts for unrelated cases/laws.
@@rustyshackleford4438 .... The entire point of our Judiciary system isn't suppose to be a bias. The ATF is responsible for enforcing the completely pointless and outdated NFA. Braces are yet another blatant attempt to bypass the NFA. Instead of working to repeal the NFA.... LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR 60+ FUCKING YEARS.... people just went "Herr durrr it a peestol. ATF man stewpid" and then shouldered the fucking thing on every social media site possible. This never would have happened if people didn't feel the fucking need to plaster their stupid fucking faces shouldering braces. Every anti-gunner who doesn't know a damn thing about guns would have went about their lives but no... people had to be fucking stupid and here we are.
So here’s how it played out with me: The ATF already has my info for a supressor, so I went ahead and form 1’d my 11.5. The only photos I needed to submit were of the engraving already present on the lower. I didn’t show them the upper, buffer tube, or brace. 29 day approval and $200 tax was exempt. I could understand the issue with interstate travel for someone who travels a lot. I’d personally not fret over it. Now that it’s seemingly been thrown out, I’m still glad I did it. Free SBR and I don’t have to deal with keeping up what’s “ Legal” for a pistol anymore.
If this move doesn't get SBRs removed from the NFA- Bruen and Heller should be all that's required for a legal argument in that case -then I'm going to be genuinely disappointed in the 2A organizations. They've literally 'made' them common use items with the stroke of a pen.
It's hard to get shit removed once it's on the books... Look at machine guns, suppressors, SBRs and now bump stocks. They're taking away our 2A rights one small step at a time. It's a slow and long game to them and they know how to play it well...
No, they don't, but their willy-nilly interpretations and re-interpretations have the same effect, so what's the difference? Until this gets challenged in court (and until it is struck down by a court), then it is, for all intents and purposes "the law" by which you will be prosecuted if caught with an "illegal" firearm. As for chevron deference, it only applies in cases where the law is ambiguous. The ATF, and indeed, the definitions and laws made by congress in this case are anything but ambiguous. The ATF's copious letters to that effect are evidence. I hope the entire SBR thing gets tossed from the NFA, if for no other reason than "common use"...use that the ATF has clearly allowed for a couple of decades. DOn't forget, the bump stock ban was recently over turned, so it's not impossible.
This isn't happening because ATF suddenly decided that braces are dangerous, it's being done to specifically target political enemies of the Federal government, who happen to have a large overlap with people who own braces
I believe this issue could accidently end the SBS/SBR regulations due to the vagueness of the 1934 NFA. Those regulations were part of a section intended to ban handguns that was struck from the bill before it became a law and therefore are just junk language that doesn't apply to anything. The ATF has been making and changing rules based on this junk language for almost 100 years. Using the "void for vagueness" court doctrine, the constant changing interpretations from the very agency meant to regulate items using the 1934 NFA as its guide can only mean the SBR/SBS language in the 1934 NFA is too vague to enforce and must be struck down in court.
@@sgt.lt.mjr.pepperface4627 Rule of Lenity. The ATF has put it on their own shoulders to create all the vagueness necessary to count. If the ATF can't even agree with itself on what the different vague language is supposed to mean, then a citizen cannot be reasonable expected to. Such vague bits must be corrected by Congress, not judges or law enforcement, as per SCOTUS.
Yeah I want to hear the argument about how SBRs are unusual and dangerous compared to a non braced pistol. The lies that are forthcoming are going to be ridiculous.
Thanks Hop I watched because you were serious and that concerned me as you usually have a straight low key comedic delivery of your content. It was sobering to see you in this concerned state. You are an asset to the 2A community for concerning yourself with our struggles and issues. Everyone else start thinking about stepping up and joining and/or donating to the hardcore legal 2A advocacy groups to fight this b.s. in court. It's the only thing the Alphabet boys understand.
When you say "hardcore legal 2A advocacy groups" which ones do you mean? I'm a lifetime member of the NRA, and last time I checked they were pretty much hopeless. Is LaPew still in charge there?
@@beardly0121 nothing is for free, stop being so gullible. Founding fathers are rolling in their graves right now with how their countryman have gotten so weak
One point that is getting overlooked about the entire “free tax stamp” thing is how it then locks you into the inability to freely travel over state lines with your new SBR. In order to do that, you again have to request to do so from the ATF. And I know the argument to this is often “How would they even know?” which is sort of a question that could be posed to the registration thing. I think the best option right now is to wait and see how this plays out. “In chess, the pawns go first”
Yeah, but the interstate travel permission form can be up to one year, and they give automatic approval unless it would be illegal. For example, they won't give me approval to take a SBR into CA, because it's against CA law. Plus, most of us don't travel with our guns much, and even if we do, a lot of us have something that's interstate legal. If I can't take my AR SBR across state lines, then I can get an unbraced pistol lower for like $200. Me? I live in PA, near the borders to Maryland and New Jersey. I'm not leaving the state with ANY of my guns!
Just SBR man the tax stamp is pants on head retarded and it's not like people go around sniffing your gun at the range... nobody cares. The only complaint I ever get is that it's loud and spits fireballs.
You bring up a lot of valid points. It’s not a law it’s a rule change and we will have to see how this plays out. Our community has to stick together and quit eating our own.
It seems that the best advice so far is to wait 30 to 60 days into the "amnesty" period to see which legal challenges take hold before doing anything, compliance or otherwise. The Washington Gun Law channel has some pretty good breakdowns of it
@StEvEn420BrUlE I probably should have said at least 30 to 60 days, a common number I've seen is 80 days. The 119 days is a good option for the, "well, you idiots asked for it" malicious compliance option to overload the ATF en masse. The advice I've seen takes into account people who for whatever reason being in compliance with the latest silly rule makes sense (even if it doesn't, but whatever)
Just simply say you lost them, and just so you know when they serve a search warrant they don't excavate or dig up your property. And there are plenty of good methods for storing firearms underground. Bury em boys. Never hand them over.
Because they’re college kids. And they refuse to listen to reason. They say it’s time to have an honest conversation but when we start kicking their ass with facts and logic they cry and scream and sometimes throw in a “you’re a racist” card for good measure.
When challenged in court, the ATF is going to have a very hard time making most judges understand their position. "Your honor, we've gone on record consistently, with hundreds of letters written, that explicitly have said for the last ten years that pistol braces are legal, but you just have to accept that we've changed our minds and now we say that they're illegal because we say so." Yeah, that'll fly....
I don’t own an impacted product. I support your right to keep yours. But please for the love of all that is good, I’d wish people would stop the tough guy on the internet act. All you’re doing is giving them exactly what they need to charge you.
@@andrewsanford2020 Too bad what the ATF says doesn't mean jack shit in a court of law. The ATF can't just take back their governmental approval, regardless of how much they just want to say they can. SCOTUS precedent says otherwise, and the ATF doesn't prosecute or rule on procedural law. They don't control what is valid or not, statutory contract law does.
Thanks for talking about this Hop. As a gun person, I don’t like the motto, “Guns, not politics.” If major influencers don’t get involved, there is no hope.
If they are functionally required you are ok. People going on about what kind of tube etc. are talking out their backsides. Constructive intent bs also. It's probably the most never enforced aspect in the history of enforcement. Why? Because the whole concept is so utterly toxic and counter to about every right we have in this country. They don't want it tested in court because it will really fail. It's a threat to scare people period. Constructive intent is beyond Orwellian.
@@hiwayhighway9925 I would add how something is used = re-manufacture of the firearm equally Orwellian. I checked the final rule and it appears they removed the language regarding tubes in the final submission. However, I think we still are not supposed to be able to put a foam tube on, because it has no functional intent. Lol. I am in total agreement with you, but I also believe we need to understand the ruling as completely as possible so people can be informed and make their personal choices.
Each and every one of us is not complying with federal laws every day because it is not possible to comply with, or even know, all the many thousands of federal laws. The majority of those laws are only enforced when someone annoys a politician or an enforcement thug.
Yeah, but local enforcement thugs routinely patrol the public range where I live. The last time I was there, I saw them give a guy a $250 ticket for using his own target stand instead of the rickety stands put up by the state.
@@noway6633 you can't really call somebody a parrot without getting any details about what they believe and why. Ironically, you're parroting the "parrot" insult, i.e. repeating it without understanding what it means.
@@tissuepaper9962 See the funny thing is: I literally don't have to do any of that. The fact he is a parrot, just like many in these comment sections is self evident. And the fact of the matter is that repeating platitudes in a comment section is basically all most people do to stand up against this crap. It's parroted wishful thinking and I'm tired of seeing it. It does nothing to aid the cause but it gives retards their dopamine hit so they can pretend they did something.
@@noway6633 OP's comment isn't a "platitude", I don't think you know what that word means either. You're just making assumptions, why can't you assume that OP is a reasonable person who can justify their opinion and work from there, instead of starting with the insults? Could it be that trolling "parrots" gives you the exact same hit of dopamine you're deriding? What, in your opinion, is so valuable about the ATF that you think the idea of disbanding it is _prima facie_ ridiculous? You think the idea is so ridiculous that the person repeating it couldn't possibly understand what they're actually saying, so, tell us, what is OP actually saying? What are the negative consequences preventing that from being a reasonable and beneficial course of action?
The ATF doesn't have the authority to modify the letter of law. Chevron deference also doesn't apply in situations like this. However, the government has also made it almost impossible to take them to court in any meaningful way. The NFA, GCA, and the Hughes Amendment need to be done away with
important difference between brace ban and Rosa Parks: Rosa Parks did not just one day decide to not give up her seat and then happened to win. That city and that date were chosen for her to intentionally make her protest with the intention of that being the best place to have that fight and with the full backing of organizations that were gonna fight for her. They prepared and were ready. Do not think the same is gonna happen for you if you do not already have legal backing, FPC has already filed, let them at least have a preliminary injunction hearing before making a call. Planning and picking winnable fights with broad public support were the cornerstones of the civil rights movement. Learn from successful movements, they are almost always well organized, well led, and well funded.
BS. The so-called "civil rights movement" was successful ONLY because it was an excuse to do what the federal government and mass media supported already.
@hoplopfheil you don’t have to take a picture of the configuration of the gun when filling out the form 1 for amnesty. You take a picture of the rollmarks/serial just as you would do normally for form1 SBR’s.
@@Hoplopfheil possibly, dunno yet. But so far they only officially ask for photo of the serial/roll marks. Nothing stated anywhere in the form about a photo of the configuration of the “pistol”.
it makes sense to classify those kind of pistol braces as stocks. What doesn't make sense is the restriction on SBRs. Considering that AR-15 pistol parts and AR-15 rifle parts are freely available and interchangeable means that the restrictions are completely meaningless
The best advice I’ve heard was from Washington Gun Law, which was (paraphrasing) to give it 30 or 60 days before making a decision on how to proceed. A lot could happen between now and then (like injunctions, clarifications from ATF, etc.) that might impact that decision.
If one waited 60 days and their application went the 88 days it can lay there untouched that’s over the 120 day amnesty and will get you sent to federal prison.
@@victorygarden556 that’s a myth and the original TH-camr who said it has already walked it back. And the ATF specifically called it out as untrue in their webinar.
You framed everything perfectly mate; Non-compliance is definitely risky and costly, because at the end of the day most people will be facing the music alone, at least at the beginning. Unfortunately, the only way we're NOT going to lose any more ground is through mass non-compliance as prescribed by the founders in our constitution, and as ruled upon several times throughout many court cases. The government just loves making "enemies of the state" and "criminals" out of people who refuse to bend a knee to their will. I'm hoping we have enough legal clout and hammer the ATF with enough lawsuits to send them crying.
Great idea, with the public fund. Businesses and the community seem devided about what we should do. We should speak out confidently and make government officials know that we expect the court process to rule this as unconstitutional, to move quickly.
"Thus the right of nullification meant by Mr. Jefferson is the natural right, which all admit to be the remedy of insupportable oppression." - James Madison
Damn yeah they quoted your ass, tough The only way to get the atf scared and to back down is by open non-compliance. Which is like the most dangerous option for us
when has this tactic ever worked in human history? they'll just lock up everyone who is dumb enough to get caught, and keep building more prisons until they run out of idiots
Or... For this to get struck down by the courts...which is what is going to happen. The supreme court are not goi6to allow this BS by the ATF. It takes time though. I hope, for those who own braces, that an injunction is put on this soon. It could totally happen.
Props to bro speaking truthfully on his knowledge of politics. A lot of people act like they do but yet don’t. I come from a very political family and I know more about guns than politics as well. Like the channel, had to give credit when it’s due.
Seems like everyone will just wait until the lawsuits shake out. Bumpstock ban compliance was like 600 turned in of the 580k in circulation, so like a .1% compliance rate.
Hop, we're all already in trouble. The only thing is that they aren't coming for us wholesale yet. You're on the list too. You know what these guns are for. I know you cant come out bare faced and say it, but we ALL know they'll only keep pushing and pushing. All we can do is push back or be pushed.
@@MrNonzi i have harmed no children and neither has anyone in my circle. Why do we have to give up the right to self defense? Call the police? So they can stand in their tactical gear with their weapons you wouldn't let us have and listen to us get butchered instead of saving our own lives? Uvalde showed the only person you can depend on in a world of violence is yourself.
@Nonzi, if armed guards can defend marijuana dispensaries, they can defend schools. The children's blood is on the hands of criminals, school boards, and the government. Not law abiding citizens.
Rumor has it that Rhett Neumayer of Demonstrated Concepts is sitting in the dark cackling about how the time of The Cheek Pistol has begun. He’s currently working on incorporating Grip Clamp C into his cheek stance as well.
The odds of this getting shot down by the courts, particularly in light of two other recent Supreme Court rulings (the Bruen one and the EPA one) is extremely high. For anyone that is considering trying to get a free tax stamp, an option to consider is to wait until the last few days of the "amnesty period" before trying to register. This has a couple of benefits: 1) It gives time for the courts to stop it before you bother telling ATF anything about what you have, 2) if out of tens of millions of owners only a handful apply for months, it will look a lot like non-compliance is in the minds of the people, and 3) if tens of millions of people (or really probably tens of thousands to be honest) suddenly flood the E-Form system on day 120 the system (which is known for constant downtime) will crash and burn so hard from the sudden demand that it makes the case that complying is impossible. I know there was some case in California about people being physically unable to register "assault weapons" by a deadline set by the state, and the courts intervened to extend deadlines for people who tried to comply but couldn't.
Honestly who gives a fuck if the ATF knows about a few of the guns you own? They already know you OWN guns if you've ever done a 4473 which 99% of us have. The only additional information they'll be getting is what barrel length you chose. They'll get your prints too which is also not new information for many of us because A)tons of people already have NFA devices and B)many states require finger prints for a ccw and C) tons of people with braced ARs are veterans. Oh and they get a pic of your face too which they already have. It's not that big of a deal for them to know about a few guns you own. Them overstepping the bounds of their power and declaring millions of Americans felons overnight is the only aspect of this that matters.
Oh shit I love this idea of everybody registering on the last day. hahaha. Great idea. IF (and that's a really big IF) I consider registering or going along with this rule I'll wait until the last day.
Love your vids man! Straight to the point with facts. Appreciate you taking all the time and effort to produce your content. It is greatly appreciated here. 👍🏼👊🏻
The first lawsuit against the pistol brace law has been filed in Texas. It seems only a matter of time before it gets shut down. The supreme court are in the process of firming up 2A rights while the Democrats and atf are doing everything they can to take those rights away. Everything but what they should be doing. If they want to infringe on 2a rights they have to amend the bill of rights or their "laws" are unconstitutional. I don't have an AR pistol brace, but I'll be buying one after the atf loses in court, and our rights are preserved.
I maintain a .001"-.002" clearance between my shoulder and my wrist brace at all times. Any atf agent can come to where I shoot and use a feeler gauge to check... while I'm shooting. Your crank and rods in your motor look like they are touching too..they are not!! Thanks. If you keep rolling over you will end up on one of the borders yourself! Inspire others to be good men who won't roll over!
"Noncompliance is for cowards" - James Yeager. Don't let them take your guns or your neighbors guns. Lastly, don't go silently into the night. Godspeed brothers.
If I read the rule correctly, there is no actual criteria for just how much surface area an accessory mounted rearward on a buffer tube would be deemed acceptable. That means a tennis ball affixed to the back of an AR-style pistol would likely still be illegal. The founders of this nation would be absolutely repulsed by the clown world it has become.
according to their q and a you can't have anything whatsoever on the buffer. No foam nothing just a plain buffer tube and if you have a stock no attached to a rifle in the area they have stated it could be viewed as constructive possession
I already knew this would happen I bought a lower receiver but still haven't figured out which way I should go with the stock. I want 14.5 carbine m4 clone. But I knew the atf would make a fuss about the pistols sooner or later. Might pin and weld a muzzle device.
If you're going the route of civil disobedience, put a real stock on there. The ATF is trying to shift the goalpost. They want lengthy court cases to drag out the pistol brace loophole in order to take heat off the NFA which is in danger of being overturned if challenged in court after the Bruen decision.
“You’ll get there one day” shut up man. Other people live different lives, hard to imagine…..but you’ll get there one day champ. Or you wont and no one will care either way.
Idea, maybe I’m stupid. But make an extended increase backing compliant buffer tube. In the letter, atf says that if it’s necessary for the functioning of the firearm (the buffer tube) it isn’t in noncompliance. So long, maybe adjustable buffer tube, that has increased surface area, and is required for the function of the firearm.
my understanding is that people essentially have 120 days to comply. so not doing anything for 119 days is not non compliance, its just playing by the rules they set... the hope is that within the 120 days something happens that negates this new "rule"
Local police stole my SBM4 in retail packaging after a guy shot at me and claimed I shot back from my house which justified an illegal "protective sweep". They turned in my PF9SS build to the ATF along with my 3d printed Mac Daddy 😂 true story. Spent 52 days in county jail over WEED they found in my house. Last week DOJ sends me a FedEx letter saying claim your PMFs
do put a stock on your gun, do not pay $200, and probably never go to jail. on the off chance they show up to take you to jail, I hear TNT is a very effective PVP weapon in Minecraft
After I learned the history behind why SBRs are a controlled NFA item in the first place I’m even more heated about this whole thing. Having a rifle shorter does not make it more dangerous.. especially when pistols are freely available and account for like 90% of gun deaths and are way more concealable. It’s just absurd
Me prior to this video: _"I would never send a dick pic to anyone. That's lewd and disgusting."_
Me after this video: _"Dear ATF, Please inform me if my gun in this picture counts as an SBR."_
Bahahaha!
Atf response : "Yeah dude sorry but thats definitely an SBR"
🤣
And they would tell you they were going to be inspecting it for serial numbers. Better get a tattoo.
But my girlfriend said it was a good size rifle!
My Dad only knew about this ruling recently, and only cause I told him. He doesn't follow gun news and bought his CZ Scorpion with an arm brace, not knowing it wasn't even a stock. Imagine the thousands if not millions of people out there who are about to become felons without ever knowing it.
Those are the folks who are going to get bound up. Someone like your dad bought it not really knowing anything but it was cool/worked/was what they needed. They happen to be the unlucky victim of a home invasion and use the braced pistol to defend their lives…. And now they’re in court for federal charges
I can imagine. And we need those people to not know. The more of those people who get arrested, the better our chances of shutting this down for being over reach in violation Constitution, an attempt at entrapment, and at worse demonstrate that braced pistols are widespread, and at best if the ATF is right and these are SBRs then there are millions of SBRs in use and use it to kick a couple legs of out from under NFA34. This is lawfare.
Way to narc on your Dad , you dummy
They will roll these people up and let them "plea deal" by surrendering ALL of their 2A rights and guns.
To be construed as a felon presupposes someone intentionally ignoring a federal and/or state law; this ATF ruling is neither.
I've always liked this quote:
“Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. ” ― Pericles
Ah, much like "I don't believe in war, but war sure as hell believes in me"
Illusion of choice and control is so irritating that hope in our nation is gone with my generation.
I’m glad the ATF gave everyone a good lesson on what following rules and trying to be a good boi gets you.
Not yet they haven't. That's coming once people attempt to register and are denied.
It might be a gift if this results in repeal to NFA etc. The document is so thoroughly messed up it's laughable.
Peak sarcasm
realistically the only people who are going to get screwed by this rule are people committing other crimes
Good goy. Not boi.
You know you've made it when the ATF cites your TH-cam videos.
Do you know what page it's on? I couldn't find it lol
Cites
@@MegaDman34 Iron sights, gobbless
You know the ATF is a bunch of retards when they gotta use TH-cam videos as their source material
@@forkthepork psytes
It’s not a law, it’s a capricious and arbitrary RULE that they’re passing off under the guise of a law
@@SP-ny7lw SBR's are defined by laws. The ATF just can't suddenly say something is a NFA item. If that were the case... the ATF can just say AR-15 needs a tax stamp and be registered. Which they very may well try if the pistol brace thing withstands court challenges.
@@SP-ny7lw Worked on Al Capone. Don’t know why they need to shoot so many dogs for tax crimes though.
Why did I read that with the Keegan-Michael Key substitute teacher voice in my head?
Just simply say you lost them, and just so you know when they serve a search warrant they don't excavate or dig up your property. And there are plenty of good methods for storing firearms underground. Bury em boys. Never hand them over.
Can we stop pretending as if this word game makes a shit bit of difference?
One side has a monopoly on violence and is willing to use it to enforce their will and then there is everyone else online saying akshually this technically x instead of y.
It doesn't matter if they call it the pretty pink pony compromise of 2023. If they aren't challenged in the courts and they can send armed individuals to your house with the implicit threat of lethal force without any other legal entity that can not only determine it is unlawful, and enforce that determination their own agents, the technically correct legal definitions don't make a lick of difference.
What's crazy isn't all of the people who've done pistol builds, but the random people who have literally walked into a store and bought a braced gun as a pistol and now they have NO idea about any of this.
They’ll either get arrested, ditch it, or destroy it.
You are correct it is scary number of people who probably have no idea that they’re now violating a edict from a federal agency
If having a brace makes it an NFA item, I might as well drill that third pin and add a regular stock ( in Minecraft of course )
There are people that don't even understand that you can't just go across state lines and legally pick up a pistol and walk out of the store with it.
I travel for work and it sucks i cant buy any of the cool stuff i see
@@sigspearthumb5116 same, I’m in a neutered state that doesn’t allow a lot of cool shit. Sucks since I’m 30 min away good one.
I tried to buy a gun from a brick and mortar PSA while on vacation and they wouldn’t sell it to me.
@@sigspearthumb5116 A way around that is to buy the gun, and then have that FFL ship it your local FFL.
I don't blame them. The 2nd Amendment is pretty effin clear.
It seems everyone is eternally missing the point...stop demanding to be allowed pistol braces, start demanding to be allowed unrestricted SBRs.
Gun people are always bitterly clinging to their legal loopholes
I think people cling to the loopholes because until recently, the Supreme Court didn't take up many, if any second amendment cases, so anything anyone wanted had to be trick shots around arbitrary rules and vague language.
It’s not a loophole though it’s following the law. Following the law is not a loophole. If people did not want the law to be written that way they would write it a different way. You’re buying into anti-gun nonsense and assuming that loopholes are even a thing. Being able to privately sell another individual a firearm is not a loophole. But the gun show loophole people who are anti-gun say it is. Why are you using antigun logic. If you care about the second amendment at all.
It's not even a loophole, though.
The NFA is going nowhere. The atf will throw out the rule before the NFA and GCA are eliminated
“I don’t think anyone I have ever voted for has one anything” that hit me good because that has been the experience of my entire political life.
Yup, it's been the case here for decades. Regardless of what side of the fence.
I read this like 6 times before I realized you misspelled "won" to "one".
@@WalrusWinking Yeah it's a bit weird but eh, we understood him in the end
You didn’t vote for Trump then eh
@@christianhardwick6530 Trump is a dumbass
One thing, this is in no way shape or form a law. Its a "rule" that they are interpreting as they feel like on any given day
That’s everything though. It’s all fucking arbitrary.
The constitution once again fails to limit the power of the government
Not only has it failed to restrain the leviathan we have now, it's almost encouraged it.
Cowardice is causing this, if people acted against this they would win.
The document states what is unsaid by nature. We have the right to self defense and can only remain free with the ability to commit violence against our leaders should they step out of line. We all know what needs to be done, but how many of us are willing to throw ourselves into the fire for eachother?
@@Wxman9123 agreed
The Constitution is only as effective as the people willing to enforce it. Cowardice led to our current predicament, not the Constitution.
Non-compliance means "I hope I don't get caught." Civil disobedience means "I'm going to make it easy for them to catch me."
If you someone isn't willing to get in a gunfight with the ATF I don't see what doing either will really accomplish. We already know the ATF will selectively enforce this rule and only go after their political enemies.
@@newerest1 which is everyone who owns a brace, among others. They’ll go for the high profile ones first of course, but don’t mistake for one moment if an easy opportunity comes by they’ll bind up an average Joe and ruin his life for kicks
Good to have friends and communities that stand together. Get with your local PDs, start making the effort. If you dont, then no one else is going to. Communication is key here. Find out what the sheriff or chief is going to do and if theyre against it, then you need to get the entire town or city thats a gun owner on your side and educated. The ATF is just a group of people, and they arent highly trained. The taliban would eat them for a snack
This comment should be pinned.
And im in federal prison means some donut stuffer did a traffic stop after range day and decided to search the vehicle. This "rule change" is meant more to penalize and spite pro 2a folks than it is to enforce the sbr law that is a remnant loophole closing to a pistol ban that never made it through.
Feds enter Appalachia woods
Suddenly hear song coming from the trees getting louder and closer:
"Which side are you on boy"
Hop shall forever be in the Federal Registry (as a reference). A huge feat that almost no one can boast about or get credit for. Keep up the awesome content.
How is that an honor with a video like this. An honor would be like being in the register for a video like James Yeager’a 2013 “pack your bags” video.
This is true. I used to dog on Buck Yeager pretty bad but at least he didn’t mind pushing the envelope. He really wasn’t wrong
@@RighteousLiberty Ditch Bitch Yeager? Yeah what a great dude, not.
@@Puca_Patchworks
I have my criticisms of him, especially in the latter years, but at least when they talked about banning things by EO or a “rule” back in 2013 he didn’t just advocate compliance as an option like many are doing now.
He literally became a reference FOR the ATF on why we shouldn’t be allowed to have braces. Are you dense? 🤡🤣
Even if you're not interested in politics, politics is interested in YOU.
The ATF isn't a regulatory body voted into power, they are an enforcement agency (executive, they execute the will of the legislative branch), they are taking it upon themselves to interpret unclear laws in a manner that suits their political beliefs, which is outside of their purview. They believe they have precedence to do so under Chevron Deference, which was established by courts for unrelated cases/laws.
If the ATF had a conservative/gun owner bias it would be the exact same thing man, you're just mad that it's happening to you instead of someone else
Try looking to page 16 of ATF's final rule and look up the US codes listed and see how ATF gets it's power to do so .
@@jehb3901 if the atf had a gun bias then they wouldn't persecute any citizen. Pretty dumb thing to say on the internet.
@@jehb3901 jewish fingers typed this comment. Whatcha up to rabbi?
@@rustyshackleford4438 .... The entire point of our Judiciary system isn't suppose to be a bias. The ATF is responsible for enforcing the completely pointless and outdated NFA. Braces are yet another blatant attempt to bypass the NFA. Instead of working to repeal the NFA.... LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR 60+ FUCKING YEARS.... people just went "Herr durrr it a peestol. ATF man stewpid" and then shouldered the fucking thing on every social media site possible. This never would have happened if people didn't feel the fucking need to plaster their stupid fucking faces shouldering braces. Every anti-gunner who doesn't know a damn thing about guns would have went about their lives but no... people had to be fucking stupid and here we are.
Came back to this video after the ban got all but thrown out. Too bad for all the suckers that registered. the ATF got exactly what they wanted.
So here’s how it played out with me: The ATF already has my info for a supressor, so I went ahead and form 1’d my 11.5. The only photos I needed to submit were of the engraving already present on the lower. I didn’t show them the upper, buffer tube, or brace. 29 day approval and $200 tax was exempt. I could understand the issue with interstate travel for someone who travels a lot. I’d personally not fret over it. Now that it’s seemingly been thrown out, I’m still glad I did it. Free SBR and I don’t have to deal with keeping up what’s “ Legal” for a pistol anymore.
If this move doesn't get SBRs removed from the NFA- Bruen and Heller should be all that's required for a legal argument in that case -then I'm going to be genuinely disappointed in the 2A organizations.
They've literally 'made' them common use items with the stroke of a pen.
Don't forget W. Virginia v EPA.
@@matthewconnor5483 Exactly, that too. Multiple angles of attack.
It's hard to get shit removed once it's on the books... Look at machine guns, suppressors, SBRs and now bump stocks. They're taking away our 2A rights one small step at a time. It's a slow and long game to them and they know how to play it well...
I don’t trust the opinions of people with anime profile pics.
@@TheFlyingZulu courts just threw out the bump stock ban.
"The new version of the law..." Let's make one thing clear, the ATF does not make or amend laws.
No, they don't, but their willy-nilly interpretations and re-interpretations have the same effect, so what's the difference? Until this gets challenged in court (and until it is struck down by a court), then it is, for all intents and purposes "the law" by which you will be prosecuted if caught with an "illegal" firearm.
As for chevron deference, it only applies in cases where the law is ambiguous. The ATF, and indeed, the definitions and laws made by congress in this case are anything but ambiguous. The ATF's copious letters to that effect are evidence.
I hope the entire SBR thing gets tossed from the NFA, if for no other reason than "common use"...use that the ATF has clearly allowed for a couple of decades. DOn't forget, the bump stock ban was recently over turned, so it's not impossible.
The lad I found thru Mechwarrior reviews now getting quoted in Federal government documents, you've come a long way
Fallen so far.
This isn't happening because ATF suddenly decided that braces are dangerous, it's being done to specifically target political enemies of the Federal government, who happen to have a large overlap with people who own braces
That and the opportunity to register almost 40 million firearms. That, IMHO, is the real goal.
@@boldie24 think about all that extra Revenue they're making.
@@steveh7108 isn't it free?
Yeah right. That’s totally the reason. Some shizo big government conspiracy. Not because pistol braces are literally intended to cheat existing laws.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD No, As far as I can tell, you have to pay a $200 tax to register your Short barrel rifle or shotgun.
I believe this issue could accidently end the SBS/SBR regulations due to the vagueness of the 1934 NFA. Those regulations were part of a section intended to ban handguns that was struck from the bill before it became a law and therefore are just junk language that doesn't apply to anything. The ATF has been making and changing rules based on this junk language for almost 100 years. Using the "void for vagueness" court doctrine, the constant changing interpretations from the very agency meant to regulate items using the 1934 NFA as its guide can only mean the SBR/SBS language in the 1934 NFA is too vague to enforce and must be struck down in court.
Thinking the same thing
No it won't
@@sgt.lt.mjr.pepperface4627 Rule of Lenity. The ATF has put it on their own shoulders to create all the vagueness necessary to count. If the ATF can't even agree with itself on what the different vague language is supposed to mean, then a citizen cannot be reasonable expected to. Such vague bits must be corrected by Congress, not judges or law enforcement, as per SCOTUS.
Yeah I want to hear the argument about how SBRs are unusual and dangerous compared to a non braced pistol. The lies that are forthcoming are going to be ridiculous.
@@generallobster have they ever?
Thanks Hop I watched because you were serious and that concerned me as you usually have a straight low key comedic delivery of your content. It was sobering to see you in this concerned state. You are an asset to the 2A community for concerning yourself with our struggles and issues. Everyone else start thinking about stepping up and joining and/or donating to the hardcore legal 2A advocacy groups to fight this b.s. in court. It's the only thing the Alphabet boys understand.
When you say "hardcore legal 2A advocacy groups" which ones do you mean?
I'm a lifetime member of the NRA, and last time I checked they were pretty much hopeless. Is LaPew still in charge there?
@@dichebach ( G.O.A) Gun Owner's of America.
When they come knockin', the firing pin don't stop rockin'
All I am saying is, if you are gonna be a felon for having an “SBR” with a brace, you might as well be a felon with an SBR with a stock instead
It's the same charge as having a illegal machine gun too.
Well I mean they're giving you a free stamp so if you're gonna go that route why even bother risking the 10 years in a fed pen and $250,000?
@@beardly0121 nothing is for free, stop being so gullible. Founding fathers are rolling in their graves right now with how their countryman have gotten so weak
@@beardly0121 because some of us arnt pansies like you
@@beardly0121 it’s about the principle. They gonna jail all of us? Not that I have a brace
One point that is getting overlooked about the entire “free tax stamp” thing is how it then locks you into the inability to freely travel over state lines with your new SBR. In order to do that, you again have to request to do so from the ATF.
And I know the argument to this is often “How would they even know?” which is sort of a question that could be posed to the registration thing.
I think the best option right now is to wait and see how this plays out.
“In chess, the pawns go first”
Though if even a 10th of those who own a brace take the offer, the common use vector opens legally.
I would wager money that not a single person has been prosecuted for not notifying the atf when taking their sbrs across state lines
Yeah, but the interstate travel permission form can be up to one year, and they give automatic approval unless it would be illegal. For example, they won't give me approval to take a SBR into CA, because it's against CA law.
Plus, most of us don't travel with our guns much, and even if we do, a lot of us have something that's interstate legal. If I can't take my AR SBR across state lines, then I can get an unbraced pistol lower for like $200.
Me? I live in PA, near the borders to Maryland and New Jersey. I'm not leaving the state with ANY of my guns!
What about living in a state that doesn't allow sbr's, you're screwed
Just SBR man the tax stamp is pants on head retarded and it's not like people go around sniffing your gun at the range... nobody cares. The only complaint I ever get is that it's loud and spits fireballs.
Not a popular topic Hop but a great discussion and solid points. All my best to you!!
You bring up a lot of valid points. It’s not a law it’s a rule change and we will have to see how this plays out. Our community has to stick together and quit eating our own.
It seems that the best advice so far is to wait 30 to 60 days into the "amnesty" period to see which legal challenges take hold before doing anything, compliance or otherwise. The Washington Gun Law channel has some pretty good breakdowns of it
Fuck it wait till day 119, let the courts work out as much as they can
@StEvEn420BrUlE I probably should have said at least 30 to 60 days, a common number I've seen is 80 days. The 119 days is a good option for the, "well, you idiots asked for it" malicious compliance option to overload the ATF en masse. The advice I've seen takes into account people who for whatever reason being in compliance with the latest silly rule makes sense (even if it doesn't, but whatever)
@@StEvEn420BrUlE or just not comply. They cant come after all of us.
Just simply say you lost them, and just so you know when they serve a search warrant they don't excavate or dig up your property. And there are plenty of good methods for storing firearms underground. Bury em boys. Never hand them over.
@Kelly Shea jokes on you, I'm in California I cant comply even if I had the intention xD
Most people in my college think that the US sells fully automatic rifles to 18 year olds. They don’t even know what semi auto means.
You say that as if the text of the second doesn’t protect full auto
@@zedoktor979 My bad, u right. Any gun law is infringement
Because they’re college kids. And they refuse to listen to reason. They say it’s time to have an honest conversation but when we start kicking their ass with facts and logic they cry and scream and sometimes throw in a “you’re a racist” card for good measure.
And that’s how we get Biden and more gun control
Great video, minor correction…ATF does not require photo of whole gun/configuration. They only ask for pictures of the Manufacture mark/serial #.
When challenged in court, the ATF is going to have a very hard time making most judges understand their position. "Your honor, we've gone on record consistently, with hundreds of letters written, that explicitly have said for the last ten years that pistol braces are legal, but you just have to accept that we've changed our minds and now we say that they're illegal because we say so."
Yeah, that'll fly....
Excellent breakdown, Hop. Still not complying tho
I’m proud to say I’m the 69th like on this comment
I don’t own an impacted product. I support your right to keep yours.
But please for the love of all that is good, I’d wish people would stop the tough guy on the internet act. All you’re doing is giving them exactly what they need to charge you.
@@timunderbakke8756 you have a better chance of being struck by lightning then arrested and charged with that as a crime
You already complied when you bought The brace
@@Front-Toward-Enemy exactly right. Still good to not comply MORE, but yeah.
HOW TO GET AWAY WITH THIS:
1) Use your brace and get arrested
2) Show the court the ATF approval letter and let the universe collapse in on itself
Make past ATF argue against today ATF. It's the easiest way to show they are a totally clown show.
The ATF mentioned those old approval letters and said they are no longer valid.
@@andrewsanford2020 Too bad what the ATF says doesn't mean jack shit in a court of law. The ATF can't just take back their governmental approval, regardless of how much they just want to say they can. SCOTUS precedent says otherwise, and the ATF doesn't prosecute or rule on procedural law. They don't control what is valid or not, statutory contract law does.
@@ShaggyRogers1 I don't like them or agree with them, but I bet they disagree. They will throw you in a cage for an 1/8th to. 1/4 of your life.
3) Watch in amazement as they just do whatever they want
Thanks for talking about this Hop. As a gun person, I don’t like the motto, “Guns, not politics.” If major influencers don’t get involved, there is no hope.
I believe that you cannot just remove the brace from an AR pistol and solve it. They specifically added buffer tubes as a rifle feature.
If they are functionally required you are ok. People going on about what kind of tube etc. are talking out their backsides. Constructive intent bs also. It's probably the most never enforced aspect in the history of enforcement. Why? Because the whole concept is so utterly toxic and counter to about every right we have in this country. They don't want it tested in court because it will really fail. It's a threat to scare people period.
Constructive intent is beyond Orwellian.
Incorrect.
@@hiwayhighway9925 I would add how something is used = re-manufacture of the firearm equally Orwellian. I checked the final rule and it appears they removed the language regarding tubes in the final submission. However, I think we still are not supposed to be able to put a foam tube on, because it has no functional intent. Lol. I am in total agreement with you, but I also believe we need to understand the ruling as completely as possible so people can be informed and make their personal choices.
Each and every one of us is not complying with federal laws every day because it is not possible to comply with, or even know, all the many thousands of federal laws. The majority of those laws are only enforced when someone annoys a politician or an enforcement thug.
Yeah, but local enforcement thugs routinely patrol the public range where I live. The last time I was there, I saw them give a guy a $250 ticket for using his own target stand instead of the rickety stands put up by the state.
Well said, people break the law everyday without knowing it.
The BEST solution would be to Abolish the NFA and disband the ATF.
Parrot
@@noway6633 you can't really call somebody a parrot without getting any details about what they believe and why. Ironically, you're parroting the "parrot" insult, i.e. repeating it without understanding what it means.
@@tissuepaper9962 See the funny thing is: I literally don't have to do any of that. The fact he is a parrot, just like many in these comment sections is self evident. And the fact of the matter is that repeating platitudes in a comment section is basically all most people do to stand up against this crap. It's parroted wishful thinking and I'm tired of seeing it. It does nothing to aid the cause but it gives retards their dopamine hit so they can pretend they did something.
@@noway6633 OP's comment isn't a "platitude", I don't think you know what that word means either.
You're just making assumptions, why can't you assume that OP is a reasonable person who can justify their opinion and work from there, instead of starting with the insults? Could it be that trolling "parrots" gives you the exact same hit of dopamine you're deriding?
What, in your opinion, is so valuable about the ATF that you think the idea of disbanding it is _prima facie_ ridiculous? You think the idea is so ridiculous that the person repeating it couldn't possibly understand what they're actually saying, so, tell us, what is OP actually saying? What are the negative consequences preventing that from being a reasonable and beneficial course of action?
The ATF doesn't have the authority to modify the letter of law. Chevron deference also doesn't apply in situations like this. However, the government has also made it almost impossible to take them to court in any meaningful way. The NFA, GCA, and the Hughes Amendment need to be done away with
important difference between brace ban and Rosa Parks: Rosa Parks did not just one day decide to not give up her seat and then happened to win. That city and that date were chosen for her to intentionally make her protest with the intention of that being the best place to have that fight and with the full backing of organizations that were gonna fight for her. They prepared and were ready. Do not think the same is gonna happen for you if you do not already have legal backing, FPC has already filed, let them at least have a preliminary injunction hearing before making a call. Planning and picking winnable fights with broad public support were the cornerstones of the civil rights movement. Learn from successful movements, they are almost always well organized, well led, and well funded.
Best summary of all. The difference between civil disobedience and non-compliance is spot on.
BS. The so-called "civil rights movement" was successful ONLY because it was an excuse to do what the federal government and mass media supported already.
@@mikearnold7982 Based
@Mike Arnold The ATF doesn't amend or make laws.
If the route is non compliance it needs to be done so publicly and en masse. That's what makes it civil disobedience
Non compliance is the answer. Like others have mentioned, I know several older family members who own braced firearms and never even heard of the news
@hoplopfheil you don’t have to take a picture of the configuration of the gun when filling out the form 1 for amnesty. You take a picture of the rollmarks/serial just as you would do normally for form1 SBR’s.
Don't expect your stamp to be approved w/o that picture.
@@Hoplopfheil possibly, dunno yet. But so far they only officially ask for photo of the serial/roll marks. Nothing stated anywhere in the form about a photo of the configuration of the “pistol”.
it makes sense to classify those kind of pistol braces as stocks. What doesn't make sense is the restriction on SBRs. Considering that AR-15 pistol parts and AR-15 rifle parts are freely available and interchangeable means that the restrictions are completely meaningless
The best advice I’ve heard was from Washington Gun Law, which was (paraphrasing) to give it 30 or 60 days before making a decision on how to proceed. A lot could happen between now and then (like injunctions, clarifications from ATF, etc.) that might impact that decision.
It's entirely in the cards that this gets frozen by an injunction, and in the 1-2 years of litigation the NFA gets nuked.
"Just do nothing and wait!"
@@tubeguy4066 2 more weeks!
If one waited 60 days and their application went the 88 days it can lay there untouched that’s over the 120 day amnesty and will get you sent to federal prison.
@@victorygarden556 that’s a myth and the original TH-camr who said it has already walked it back. And the ATF specifically called it out as untrue in their webinar.
Hop finally gets a kitty cat in his hands and the big mean ATF says he cant have it 😭
You framed everything perfectly mate; Non-compliance is definitely risky and costly, because at the end of the day most people will be facing the music alone, at least at the beginning. Unfortunately, the only way we're NOT going to lose any more ground is through mass non-compliance as prescribed by the founders in our constitution, and as ruled upon several times throughout many court cases. The government just loves making "enemies of the state" and "criminals" out of people who refuse to bend a knee to their will. I'm hoping we have enough legal clout and hammer the ATF with enough lawsuits to send them crying.
Calm and composed. I like it.
Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell
Good talk, let's do it again next illegal ban.
@@mikearnold7982 time to switch that up , court rooms been looking good lately with all them lawsuits
Great idea, with the public fund. Businesses and the community seem devided about what we should do. We should speak out confidently and make government officials know that we expect the court process to rule this as unconstitutional, to move quickly.
This really sucks for the people in states that don't allow NFA items. Can't even register an SBR if they wanted to.
"Thus the right of nullification meant by Mr. Jefferson is the natural right, which all admit to be the remedy of insupportable oppression."
- James Madison
…Amen.
Real
Damn yeah they quoted your ass, tough
The only way to get the atf scared and to back down is by open non-compliance. Which is like the most dangerous option for us
when has this tactic ever worked in human history? they'll just lock up everyone who is dumb enough to get caught, and keep building more prisons until they run out of idiots
And particularly for them. That's the difference. Lot more of us than them.
Or... For this to get struck down by the courts...which is what is going to happen. The supreme court are not goi6to allow this BS by the ATF. It takes time though. I hope, for those who own braces, that an injunction is put on this soon. It could totally happen.
Excellent points and well said.
Props to bro speaking truthfully on his knowledge of politics. A lot of people act like they do but yet don’t. I come from a very political family and I know more about guns than politics as well. Like the channel, had to give credit when it’s due.
Seems like everyone will just wait until the lawsuits shake out. Bumpstock ban compliance was like 600 turned in of the 580k in circulation, so like a .1% compliance rate.
"I don't know how laws work" That is a beautiful troll on the ATF, very subtle.
Also sucks for states like NJ where SBRs are illegal but we used to be able to have “others”
Not destroying anything, removing anything, modifying anything or registering anything.
I don't know why anyone would still use a brace. Just use a stock if that's your mindset.
Hop, we're all already in trouble. The only thing is that they aren't coming for us wholesale yet. You're on the list too. You know what these guns are for. I know you cant come out bare faced and say it, but we ALL know they'll only keep pushing and pushing. All we can do is push back or be pushed.
Yeah I agree no amount of school childrens blood is gonna make me give up my plinker
@@MrNonzi i have harmed no children and neither has anyone in my circle. Why do we have to give up the right to self defense? Call the police? So they can stand in their tactical gear with their weapons you wouldn't let us have and listen to us get butchered instead of saving our own lives? Uvalde showed the only person you can depend on in a world of violence is yourself.
@@MrNonzi yes literally no amount of someone being murdered will affect our rights
@Nonzi, if armed guards can defend marijuana dispensaries, they can defend schools. The children's blood is on the hands of criminals, school boards, and the government. Not law abiding citizens.
@@MrNonzi nice hat and big nose
yes... trust the people behind ruby ridge
That carry handle upper makes me yearn, still on a quest to find one. See you on the flip side.
Rumor has it that Rhett Neumayer of Demonstrated Concepts is sitting in the dark cackling about how the time of The Cheek Pistol has begun. He’s currently working on incorporating Grip Clamp C into his cheek stance as well.
The odds of this getting shot down by the courts, particularly in light of two other recent Supreme Court rulings (the Bruen one and the EPA one) is extremely high. For anyone that is considering trying to get a free tax stamp, an option to consider is to wait until the last few days of the "amnesty period" before trying to register. This has a couple of benefits: 1) It gives time for the courts to stop it before you bother telling ATF anything about what you have, 2) if out of tens of millions of owners only a handful apply for months, it will look a lot like non-compliance is in the minds of the people, and 3) if tens of millions of people (or really probably tens of thousands to be honest) suddenly flood the E-Form system on day 120 the system (which is known for constant downtime) will crash and burn so hard from the sudden demand that it makes the case that complying is impossible. I know there was some case in California about people being physically unable to register "assault weapons" by a deadline set by the state, and the courts intervened to extend deadlines for people who tried to comply but couldn't.
I gonna do one. It's a hunting rig, and I'd rather have a stock. Plus I'm sure they all know what we have anyways.
Honestly who gives a fuck if the ATF knows about a few of the guns you own? They already know you OWN guns if you've ever done a 4473 which 99% of us have. The only additional information they'll be getting is what barrel length you chose. They'll get your prints too which is also not new information for many of us because A)tons of people already have NFA devices and B)many states require finger prints for a ccw and C) tons of people with braced ARs are veterans.
Oh and they get a pic of your face too which they already have. It's not that big of a deal for them to know about a few guns you own. Them overstepping the bounds of their power and declaring millions of Americans felons overnight is the only aspect of this that matters.
This was my thought as well. Videotape yourself attempting to use the eForms site on day 120.
@@MF-Rell weak
Oh shit I love this idea of everybody registering on the last day. hahaha. Great idea. IF (and that's a really big IF) I consider registering or going along with this rule I'll wait until the last day.
Love your vids man! Straight to the point with facts. Appreciate you taking all the time and effort to produce your content. It is greatly appreciated here. 👍🏼👊🏻
And we appreciate your content as well Roger.
Roger is the man watch all his videos definitely one of my fav creators he deserves way more followers and hope he gets there sooner than later
The first lawsuit against the pistol brace law has been filed in Texas. It seems only a matter of time before it gets shut down. The supreme court are in the process of firming up 2A rights while the Democrats and atf are doing everything they can to take those rights away. Everything but what they should be doing. If they want to infringe on 2a rights they have to amend the bill of rights or their "laws" are unconstitutional.
I don't have an AR pistol brace, but I'll be buying one after the atf loses in court, and our rights are preserved.
I maintain a .001"-.002" clearance between my shoulder and my wrist brace at all times. Any atf agent can come to where I shoot and use a feeler gauge to check... while I'm shooting. Your crank and rods in your motor look like they are touching too..they are not!!
Thanks.
If you keep rolling over you will end up on one of the borders yourself!
Inspire others to be good men who won't roll over!
only if you maintain adequate oil pressure between your shoulder and the brace
Shouldering a brace has never been a problem.
Welcome back hop. Hopefully the TH-cam overlords will be more all fair in the future.
Glad you're back hop. Hope the suspension made you """learn your lesson""" or something idk
lol
(((Learn your lesson))) lmao
Appreciate this video and the statements made
Will be fun watching today ATF argue against yesterday ATF in court.
"Noncompliance is for cowards" - James Yeager. Don't let them take your guns or your neighbors guns. Lastly, don't go silently into the night. Godspeed brothers.
"Load your damn mags, start ki11ing people" -James Yeager (God rest his soul)
That remix was awesome.
@Peter Angles Spoken like a true internet Scrot-bag, who just created his account yesterday. Ignorant, coward with no manners.
"and yes .40 still sucks"
Saw a meme of an AR pistol with a padded buffer tube only, with a tennis ball on the end. The ATF will then ban the sale of those too.
Knowing the ATF, they'll ban tennis balls on anything. Including the bottom of walker legs.
If I read the rule correctly, there is no actual criteria for just how much surface area an accessory mounted rearward on a buffer tube would be deemed acceptable. That means a tennis ball affixed to the back of an AR-style pistol would likely still be illegal.
The founders of this nation would be absolutely repulsed by the clown world it has become.
according to their q and a you can't have anything whatsoever on the buffer. No foam nothing just a plain buffer tube and if you have a stock no attached to a rifle in the area they have stated it could be viewed as constructive possession
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_laughs in A2 receiver extension_
@@unclefreedom213 Sounds like your tennis equipment better be stored at a separate location as well, then.
Hop: "I'm not saying don't comply, I'm just saying you probably will never be caught."
I already knew this would happen I bought a lower receiver but still haven't figured out which way I should go with the stock. I want 14.5 carbine m4 clone. But I knew the atf would make a fuss about the pistols sooner or later. Might pin and weld a muzzle device.
Build what you want, how you want, shut your mouth and shoot at private ranges.
Appreciated hearing what you had to say. Thanks.
This pistol brace ban makes we want to swap my ar-pistol brace iout for a stock. If I’m going to be a felon might aswell use the thing that’s better.
Owning an nfa item has other drawbacks. This ruling will get struck down in court. Don't be hasty.
If you're going the route of civil disobedience, put a real stock on there. The ATF is trying to shift the goalpost. They want lengthy court cases to drag out the pistol brace loophole in order to take heat off the NFA which is in danger of being overturned if challenged in court after the Bruen decision.
Is the pistol brace a serialized, registered part?
Are the sellers required to keep lists for the BATFE?
So in summary: If have not uploaded video evidence onto the internet, don’t comply. Got it. Thanks papa.
There's nothing like having one's rights stepped on to get a guy interested in the machinations of government. You'll get there one day... trust me.
I found a person's views on guns to be the ultimate litmus test to determine if they're a tyrant or not.
“You’ll get there one day” shut up man. Other people live different lives, hard to imagine…..but you’ll get there one day champ. Or you wont and no one will care either way.
Actually, that's why people like me are NOT interested in the machinations of a bunch of jews and shabbos goy traitors.
Idea, maybe I’m stupid. But make an extended increase backing compliant buffer tube. In the letter, atf says that if it’s necessary for the functioning of the firearm (the buffer tube) it isn’t in noncompliance. So long, maybe adjustable buffer tube, that has increased surface area, and is required for the function of the firearm.
my understanding is that people essentially have 120 days to comply. so not doing anything for 119 days is not non compliance, its just playing by the rules they set... the hope is that within the 120 days something happens that negates this new "rule"
That opening statement is extremely respectful and mature, and It makes me proud to be part of this community you're building
I do love how all the people who say im a 2a supporter just bends the knees the second a small flame gets held to them.
Local police stole my SBM4 in retail packaging after a guy shot at me and claimed I shot back from my house which justified an illegal "protective sweep". They turned in my PF9SS build to the ATF along with my 3d printed Mac Daddy 😂 true story. Spent 52 days in county jail over WEED they found in my house. Last week DOJ sends me a FedEx letter saying claim your PMFs
Every gun control law on the books is unconstitutional.
Arrest? I'm going down with a fight.
Go listen to the lastest Longhouse podcast episode
I'm going to suggest you don't do that if you value your life.
@@alchroot209 Many people would openly attack rather than submit.
@@damil5721 That's not true at all, I sincerely hope you rethink your decisions.
@@alchroot209 Speak for yourself.
Now that arm braces are banned. Make a video of using the “SAS method” using a sling on a pistol
Yeah I would love more techniques to accurately and safely shoot a pistol to hit what I aim at. That concept is obviously dangerous to an agency...
Thanks for the video man.
Civil disobedience could be demonstrated with a large public gathering, braced pistols slung with large bright chamber flags.
GOOD VIDEO,
REPEAL THE NFA
ABOLISH THE ATF
We can go further. Nuremberg trials for all ATF agents.
Not good enough for me unless abolishment will include arrest, trial and public execution of all current and former agents.
do put a stock on your gun, do not pay $200, and probably never go to jail.
on the off chance they show up to take you to jail, I hear TNT is a very effective PVP weapon in Minecraft
After I learned the history behind why SBRs are a controlled NFA item in the first place I’m even more heated about this whole thing. Having a rifle shorter does not make it more dangerous.. especially when pistols are freely available and account for like 90% of gun deaths and are way more concealable. It’s just absurd
If you think about it, it makes it less dangerous since muzzle velocity and accuracy suffer from the shorter barrel length
It takes a very humble and very honorable person to admit there ignorance in a topic that so closely borders on their specialty knowledge.