I've done the mail in ECU flash before. Definitely changes the bike but without taking it on a Dyno which is almost double the price of a flash where I live I've come to the conclusion that putting my zx6r on a Dyno with the flash is a must!! I am in no Rush but will get it done at the end of summer for sure. Keep up that quality content!
It really is a massive difference. Sales pitch aside. I've tested many bikes with my own personal "Mail in flash" and some are pretty damn good, others are just a mess. But I can guarantee that the dyno tune will be a level up compared to the mail in stuff.
I took a look at the Kawasaki 636 for a quick second! Then moved on to the Suzuki 750 new model 2022. I'm now making 137hp rear wheel! Lol, just getting started!
Reply to friend concerned about mail in flashed ECU''s. Agree with him best way to flash the bike is having it on a Dyno to make adjustments. So far no problems. If engine is running to rich or to lean you will definitely know it. -I've seen those videos so far I'm not having any problems I know of after ECU flash. ZX6R is getting the same gas mileage after flash. So it's not running to rich. Don't notice any problems with it running to lean either. Engine temperature is normal, idles good. Moore Mafia also reset the radiator fan to kick in at 195° instead of Kawasaki factory at 213/220°. I'm going to let it idle till temps pick up and see if it does kick in at 195°. It was around 80° in Los Olivos yesterday. ZX6R didn't get past 200°. Fan kicked in at 185° close enough for me. 🏍
@user-fy8qx8sm2i coolant temperature and oil temperature are different. You can have a high exhaust temp (egt's) and still retain a "normal" coolant temp. Datalogging or throwing your bike on the dyno will determine what's going on inside your combustion process. Some people are fine with a generic mail in based on what they're using the bike for and that's fine too 🙌
I am impressed with how the Graves VE2 stacks worked with this bike. From the research and reviews I have seen, the VE1 stacks would be a better fit for the 2024. That's impressive as i was expecting slightly lower numbers because of the VE2 stacks.
This is crazy I worked with Andrew for a little while at the beginning of the year, I knew it was him as soon as I heard his voice, I’m about to get a 2025 zx6r in a couple weeks so it’s pretty funny to me that he also has a new zx6r
How does the ‘24 compare to the 19-23’? I know they didn’t some reworking of the engine to meet emissions. Curious if all the same mods yield similar power.
From what I have seen, the 2024 makes the same peak HP as the 2019-2023 but lower in the RPM. The 2024 makes peak power depending on the tuner between 13500 - 14500 RPM where the 2019 - 2023 is 14000 to 15000 RPM. The 2024 makes more power under the curve.
@xB0RNFR0MPAINx mag doesn't change too much with my tunes. Unless you drive aggressively then it will go down but if you do some cruising here and there then usually my clients see around 140 miles per tank or so.
All depends on fuel and power level all in all. Cooler fuel, you can run a bit leaner for racing conditions. For pump gas and / or street conditions, I'll shoot for a richer/safer AFR.
AFR is AFR. Especially with a power adder. Like the supercharged h2. Or a turbocharged big turbo Audi. .99 lambda. Naturally aspirated can be leaner. To talk in layman’s terms 11.99-12.20 afr. Target
In the winter I was getting 80 miles to a full tank on my Zx6r. Now that it is much warmer, I'm getting 114 miles to a full tank and I have done absolutely nothing to the bike. In the hot weather the gas molecules expand, giving you more bang for your buck. With Kawasakis micro burst fuel injectors more bang in the summer months.
Have a 2022 Z900RS cafe. Was thinking of replacing the headers, and doing an ECU flash. A shop here wanted to do that and a Dyno. Is there a big difference in power either way the Dyno? And the velocity stacks? Thanks for your help and video! Thinking this ZX6r might be a 2nd bike.
Octane rating is how much the gas can be compressed before it explodes, compression creates heat, heat detonates gas. 87 is the lowest available at the pump so it's the cheapest. As you put more gas and air in the cylinder, or increase the compression of the engine, you'll need a higher octane. It's not a recommendation, it's usually a requirement putting 87 in an engine that's tuned for 93 could cause premature detonation and pitting on the surface of your pistons slowly eating away at them. 93 in an 87 tuned engine will do nothing, just waste money
Also, you don't want oxygen in your fuel, the purer the fuel, the better in theory, you want to intake all of your oxygen from the air, and inject fuel as needed based on the measured oxygen going into the engine
Are you providing the bike for this? I wouldn't recommend this test and definitely would not let my bike be ran on 87 Octane. While 87 Octane may theoretically make more power than 91 or 93 Octane fuel, the risk for premature detonation is far greater. Premature detonation can cause destroy an engine.
87 isn't necessarily more oxygenated. Just has a lower resistance to detonation. Meaning, it's easier to detonate 87 octane but for higher co.pression motors, it's usually advised against doing that. If you look at your owners manual, it will actually tell you minimum octane rating that it needs in order to be safe and reliable. There are race fuels that are oxygenated (such as 2WL, MR12, MRX02, Q16, etc) that provide a bigger boom inside the motor, which increases HP. The kicker is you need to have a certain amount of compression in order to even utilize some of the race fuels. Otherwise, you can loose money and power if you putthe wrong fuel in. Side note: you also need to be tuned for any type of race gas you decide to run. Certain ones can and will cause engine issues if you don't get tuned before racing on them. 🤙
@user-gs5pm4pf8r theoretically 87 Octane could produce more power but 87 Octane fuel is more prone to premature detonation which can destroy an engine. Personally I would not provide the engine for this test.
Great video. These new 636's are no joke. I have punched above my weight class numerous times on the street on mine.
My son has got the 2003 zx6r awesome bike loads of power really great
I've done the mail in ECU flash before. Definitely changes the bike but without taking it on a Dyno which is almost double the price of a flash where I live I've come to the conclusion that putting my zx6r on a Dyno with the flash is a must!! I am in no Rush but will get it done at the end of summer for sure. Keep up that quality content!
It really is a massive difference. Sales pitch aside. I've tested many bikes with my own personal "Mail in flash" and some are pretty damn good, others are just a mess. But I can guarantee that the dyno tune will be a level up compared to the mail in stuff.
Could i just change the intakte manifold myself and ride the Bike this way...would it make sence
And where can i buy them
Very informative and honest. Thanks for the great breakdown of the difference between mail in flashes and a proper dyno tune.
10:59 bro look fried ❤😂🏍️🏍️⚙️
I took a look at the Kawasaki 636 for a quick second! Then moved on to the Suzuki 750 new model 2022. I'm now making 137hp rear wheel! Lol, just getting started!
Its been the same model since 2011 lol
Best bang for the buck
Me to what color did you get I got the orange and black it looks nice in the sun I love my 750 will never sell it
@@jboogiedtband still faster than the zx6 🤦♂️
@@Jason-ip6wq yep. I beat zx6s with my 2013 all the time
Those are good numbers. My old 2017 gsxr 750 you tuned made 136hp. Kawi for a 636 is pretty sweet.
Yessir. These are definitely impressive to me!
Great job! I am loving the transparency, loving the integrity. Awesome work brother! 🦾👍🫡💚💚💚🥷🏽🐉
We appreciate it bro💪 we are trying to deliver more honest opinions/views on stuff and share our knowledge/journey 🙌
Reply to friend concerned about mail in flashed ECU''s. Agree with him best way to flash the bike is having it on a Dyno to make adjustments. So far no problems. If engine is running to rich or to lean you will definitely know it.
-I've seen those videos so far I'm not having any problems I know of after ECU flash. ZX6R is getting the same gas mileage after flash. So it's not running to rich. Don't notice any problems with it running to lean either. Engine temperature is normal, idles good. Moore Mafia also reset the radiator fan to kick in at 195° instead of Kawasaki factory at 213/220°. I'm going to let it idle till temps pick up and see if it does kick in at 195°. It was around 80° in Los Olivos yesterday. ZX6R didn't get past 200°.
Fan kicked in at 185° close enough for me. 🏍
@user-fy8qx8sm2i coolant temperature and oil temperature are different. You can have a high exhaust temp (egt's) and still retain a "normal" coolant temp. Datalogging or throwing your bike on the dyno will determine what's going on inside your combustion process. Some people are fine with a generic mail in based on what they're using the bike for and that's fine too 🙌
My friend bought a new 636 its ashame he never rides idky people by bikes as lawn ornaments 😂
it’s all fun and games til some people with a pickup truck and some motivation pull up 😭 poor bike tho smh, is ur friend rich or something btw?
Bruh thats my friends but they have new gen zx10’s and im on a 636 jealous asf
They fun to ride n I suppose if you have the money there just as nice to just stare from the comfort of your home 😂
I am impressed with how the Graves VE2 stacks worked with this bike. From the research and reviews I have seen, the VE1 stacks would be a better fit for the 2024. That's impressive as i was expecting slightly lower numbers because of the VE2 stacks.
I know. We are very curious to have someone yest the VE1s with us! We would have great comparison at this point.
I think I’m going to try VE1 and see if I can beat that number although I’m on a ‘23 pushing 120whp after a dyno and a cheaper full system
@@hakeemexe yeah it would be interesting to see the difference all in all on the power curves. Everyone too scared to run the VE1s lol
This is crazy I worked with Andrew for a little while at the beginning of the year, I knew it was him as soon as I heard his voice, I’m about to get a 2025 zx6r in a couple weeks so it’s pretty funny to me that he also has a new zx6r
How does the ‘24 compare to the 19-23’? I know they didn’t some reworking of the engine to meet emissions. Curious if all the same mods yield similar power.
From what I have seen, the 2024 makes the same peak HP as the 2019-2023 but lower in the RPM. The 2024 makes peak power depending on the tuner between 13500 - 14500 RPM where the 2019 - 2023 is 14000 to 15000 RPM. The 2024 makes more power under the curve.
We have been very impressed so far with our testing. Not sure on durability or longevity of these motors yet but power has been solid ! 👌
Is there anything to do with the top end for 24 636?
feels like I only hit around 145 while my buddies 19 hits 160
The 2024 model has less power than the previous years bc of emission laws I think
More power, just in the low end. Thats why you do an exhaust, velocity stacks, and a tune so that it opens it up. @Jason-ip6wq
I would like to know what was the MPG after the tune?
@xB0RNFR0MPAINx mag doesn't change too much with my tunes. Unless you drive aggressively then it will go down but if you do some cruising here and there then usually my clients see around 140 miles per tank or so.
@@provenpowercycles thanks bro!
Out of curiosity what would be considered a good safe AFR for a kawasaki H2 for example
All depends on fuel and power level all in all. Cooler fuel, you can run a bit leaner for racing conditions. For pump gas and / or street conditions, I'll shoot for a richer/safer AFR.
AFR is AFR. Especially with a power adder. Like the supercharged h2. Or a turbocharged big turbo Audi. .99 lambda. Naturally aspirated can be leaner. To talk in layman’s terms 11.99-12.20 afr. Target
But yea what he said it matters what fuel.
Is it okay to install a slip on exhaust before you complete “break in”?
In the winter I was getting 80 miles to a full tank on my Zx6r. Now that it is much warmer, I'm getting 114 miles to a full tank and I have done absolutely nothing to the bike. In the hot weather the gas molecules expand, giving you more bang for your buck. With Kawasakis micro burst fuel injectors more bang in the summer months.
I just cant wait to bring mine in I have the white and red one and I want 130 hp too I wanna do all those mods as well but with a better exhaust
Yessir! We are really getting to know these bikes quickly. Let us know 💪💪
So that is a 93 tune? So you have to fill her up with 93 octane?
Yes. This was all tuned on regular pump gas 93
Have a 2022 Z900RS cafe. Was thinking of replacing the headers, and doing an ECU flash. A shop here wanted to do that and a Dyno. Is there a big difference in power either way the Dyno? And the velocity stacks? Thanks for your help and video! Thinking this ZX6r might be a 2nd bike.
Im in Europe does 636 is it possible to restrict it?
I'm curious on 87 octane it's more oxygenated type of gas which will give it more hp.
Octane rating is how much the gas can be compressed before it explodes, compression creates heat, heat detonates gas. 87 is the lowest available at the pump so it's the cheapest. As you put more gas and air in the cylinder, or increase the compression of the engine, you'll need a higher octane. It's not a recommendation, it's usually a requirement putting 87 in an engine that's tuned for 93 could cause premature detonation and pitting on the surface of your pistons slowly eating away at them. 93 in an 87 tuned engine will do nothing, just waste money
Also, you don't want oxygen in your fuel, the purer the fuel, the better in theory, you want to intake all of your oxygen from the air, and inject fuel as needed based on the measured oxygen going into the engine
Are you providing the bike for this? I wouldn't recommend this test and definitely would not let my bike be ran on 87 Octane. While 87 Octane may theoretically make more power than 91 or 93 Octane fuel, the risk for premature detonation is far greater. Premature detonation can cause destroy an engine.
87 isn't necessarily more oxygenated. Just has a lower resistance to detonation. Meaning, it's easier to detonate 87 octane but for higher co.pression motors, it's usually advised against doing that. If you look at your owners manual, it will actually tell you minimum octane rating that it needs in order to be safe and reliable.
There are race fuels that are oxygenated (such as 2WL, MR12, MRX02, Q16, etc) that provide a bigger boom inside the motor, which increases HP. The kicker is you need to have a certain amount of compression in order to even utilize some of the race fuels. Otherwise, you can loose money and power if you putthe wrong fuel in.
Side note: you also need to be tuned for any type of race gas you decide to run. Certain ones can and will cause engine issues if you don't get tuned before racing on them. 🤙
Do a video on 87 octane vs 93 you will see the difference
Better or worse?
@user-gs5pm4pf8r theoretically 87 Octane could produce more power but 87 Octane fuel is more prone to premature detonation which can destroy an engine. Personally I would not provide the engine for this test.
Yeah that will be an interesting test. I'll see who would be interested in testing!
It makes power if you do nothing! 😅
How many ads did you put into the video damn
He’s still slow… jk 😭
😅😅😅