Did Sega STEAL Nintendo music?
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Song Similarity :
2:28 - Koopa Road
4:31 - Crisis City
Hey is the power puff girl intro song
Thank you for saving me time. This is such a non video
nah its not the smae
I KNOW I THOUGTH OF IT TOO
eh, they kinda sound the same, but I wouldn’t say that it’s a copy and paste
tldr: these two songs share ONE chord progession
That's it, I saved you six minutes of your life
Underrated comment speaking the truth.
Reminds me of how I should stop procrastinating to save more time in my life, thanks
Exsactly
I've straight up never seen someone make so many mistakes in explaining music while not even actually explaining the music
Dude went through the whole mario and sonic lore to show us two songs
Isn’t that what Matpat does?
@@EpicNika but matpat does it right and to tell something
@@EpicNika you right, if someone else does it then it can’t be wrong
@@ronathanjonathan257 the game's lore and other random crap have NOTHING to do with two fucking songs that barely have anything to do with eachother.
Matpat actually conceives theories and even if he DOES say random crap that isn't related (which he barely does) he actually makes it entertaining.
But you watched it didn't you?
Five fucking minutes of padding just to get to "Koopa Road sounds kind of like Crisis City if you squint".
jesus no need to hate so much
@@xr_366 this video is entirely pointless and the actual “meat” is like 50 seconds
"if you squint" lol I was watching a stream of Sonic 06 this past week, heard the soundtrack to Silver's Tropical Jungle stage, and those notes stood out to me immediately.
@@TeeTop_ Care to explain?
“First, we’re gonna need a little history”
Why?
I'm no musician, but calling these songs identical because they both have a section with 4 notes linearly escalating upwards is extremely farfetched
it's TH-cam, they gotta pull content outta their ass
@@user-kq9rb7yy4j it's TH-cam, there's at least 2 channels dedicated to music theory, and then this guy just spouting bs.
TH-camrs were never good
@@Cade_The_Squirrel what about pewdiepie
@@Cade_The_SquirrelHey!
That's called a chord progression. You can't steal one.
This man ☝️: “Well, according to my calculations…”
@@whatthecorn ☝️🤓
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Imma just say this: nobody owns a chord progression.
This kinda thing happens all the time in pop music.
It’s almost like there are thousands of other songs with the same progression
he's disabled dislikes he probably knows
@@commanderdemonno9819 dislikes are disabled for every TH-cam video now though.
@@commanderdemonno9819He disabled dislikes 90% of people don’t even have the plugin to see dislikes anyway lmao 💀
@@CS-om3kj oh that's why
This video is like trying to reach the minimum word count in an essay.
Actually you don't need to be a music student to know they're not the same thing 😂😂😂
He said the some notes were the same not that THE WHOLE NOTES WERE THE SAME
@@malcolmali915true
@@malcolmali915 alright well uhh
1. im having a stroke trying to read this
2. he said they had the exact same 5-note progression (yes, he said 5-note)
This entire video is the definition of "He's a little confused, but he's got the spirit"
Hey, as a musician, I've come here to say that its very likely that its not a "stolen motif"
Its a very simple note progression in the minor scale that gives a feeling of anticipation or possible danger. Hell I've used it a few times myself. I'm sure if you really wanted to, you could find it in songs for other games as well.
Great video either way
Even I could see that
I never studied music
@@ThisIsLiam I fit more on the "class clown" role, but ok
Yeah the chords are rising under the bass pedal point
The rainbow road themes do this but in major keys
2:28 Koopa's Road
4:31 Crisis City ~The Flame ~ Skyscraper ~ Whirlwind ~ Tornado~
nah, it's just you
imagine what would happen if every song was accused of plagiarism for using 4 similar notes from another melody.
As a music student in high school band, I can CONFIDENTLY SAY that this is a HUGE STRETCH to say that SEGA copied a 4 note chromatic that just so happened to sound “similar” to Mario64. “Not placing blame” my a-double-s.
"aas"
@@lordsuinax3470 … double-s makes two a’s?
@@MaricCraft wwwwwhoops. Yeah, guess I'm the aas, my bad
@@lordsuinax3470 lol
A 6 minute video on how ONE song happens to sound similar is crazy
7ish minutes
@@sayanston1634no is not
Five notes going up 😱 what a very unique and unheard of thing to do
not even five notes
omg 😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨😨❗❗❓❓
This dude just discovered chord progression
ikr
As a person with functioning ears, the songs are 100% NOT the same.
This video took nearly 5 minutes to get to the point and it was embarrassingly a stretch
Bro thought he discovered something special 💀
Never let bro cook again😭
It’s called a
*Chord progression*
That’s kinda how music works
Bro knew how awful this was and thus disabled the like button
EDIT: And put comments on newest first by default to avoid showing good comments
ikr, bro might as well hide the video to save face.
@@horpuscorpus8299 lmaoo
I actually had to check if this was uploaded on April Fools. It's obvious that Nintendo doesn't just *own* a chord progression. Where even is the argument here?
5:09 yeah, it’s a chord progression.
“If you look at the sheet music they’re indistinguishable” crisis city is 3 octaves moving stepwise, koppa road is a sustained 5th in the bass with 4ths moving stepwise on top. There are some similarities but they are not indistinguishable.
Pianist of 10 years here. I see where you’re finding the similarities, but there’s some big problems in the analysis.
1) Songs use the same/similar chord progression all the time. Crisis city and loops road happen to share the same progression - you’ll see this occur in pop songs, game songs, etc.. There are even notes/chord progressions so popular, they’re given names (for example, the Royal Road Progression or the Dies Irae melody). This isn’t a good way to determine if a song is stealing from another.
2) Other than this chord progression, the songs appear quite unique from each other. If Crisis City had used the same melody as in Koopa Road, then this would make more sense. However, the songs are unique in their own respective ways.
It’s cool to see the similarities between the two songs, but you need to consider more factors before making a conclusion like this. Nonetheless, I hope you continue to make neat musical observations like this and improve your analyses.
You can't steal a chord progression, otherwise all of jazz would be theft
It’s a chord progression you’ll hear pretty much anywhere if you pay enough attention. It’s just how music works, chord patterns will be used by any and every musician. Listen to Flying Battery, Inkwell Hell from Cuphead, and James Bond’s theme.
Actually Inkwell Hell and Flying Battery zone sounds similar, but have different notes. Same with James Bond's theme. Same pattern, different notes
@@ChrisSmith-po3di Yes! I'm not sure what it's called, but that four note chord pattern is common amongst those three, though they're in different keys. Was just pointing that out, there are chord similarities in pretty much any song out there
@@AethoriousMC Right? They are all incredibly similar
4:31 the part you're actually here for instead of 4 minutes of filler and the answer is no, they didn't steal it, it's just a coincidence
Thank you Mark's Goldfish for saving 4.5 minutes of my life
Thx, sure is a lot of filler. I am skeptical of the conclusion that "it was a coincidence", we just do not know.
It’s a similar movement, but I hate to point out that this motif is used all over the place. It’s literally an ascending minor scale. This is used in rock music as well along with several other video games. It’s also used as the intro riff to His World
In this case, these are both chord progession simalarities, and because of how finite short chord progressions are, it is impossible to copyright something like this, all these songs have in common is a 5 chord progression, which is most likely coincidence, and even if it is copied it would be impossible to sue over.
For example, listen to a popular 60s blues rock song, and then any other 60s blues rock song, and they will sound "the same" because of the chord progressions
one of the biggest wastes of time ever
@@MortonMcCastle still probably the first time I ended a video asking “that’s it?” in like a year
The note progression is a lot more common than you might think. In fact, the soundtracks for The Matrix movies all have instances of this note progression.
Yeah baby! Clubbed to Death! I was thinking the exact same thing!
as a musician, the songs are 100% NOT the same.
Why do you have to be a musician to recognize that they’re not the same lmao
Apparently you need a PhD in Human Biology to define what a woman is so...
As a musician I know that I make music
Yea, there's an uncountable amount of songs that use the same chord progression, it's bound that that would happen with two popular game franchises
Yes you're right there is just a little difference
Bro it’s just the same chord progression, pop music does the same exact thing.
The content is located at 2:16 - 2:50 and 4:28 - 5:24.
Yeah, that's my bad. I should've thrown in a time stamp.
Man does not know chord progressions exist
It's just a I, II, III, IV scale with whole notes. Crisis City is in Cm and Koopa Road is in Dm.
no, they don't look identical at all, it's just a common chord progresion LOL
Yfw you hear a normal chord progression:
"oh my goodness gracious 4 notes going up in pitch every bar in another song!!!! obviously stolen!!!!!!!!"
Dude… seriously…
@@bunayogaming_q2841 i know right bro it's almost like i'm being sarcastic isn't that insane
6:09 the title would disagree
I was going to say the same
Bro set comments to recent LMAO
Also disabled liking/disliking, so even with the extension to show dislikes you can't see lol
"getting to the point of the video" challenge (impossible)
If he feels the urge to make a whole video after finding 4 notes that happen to be almost identical in 2 unrelated games then he’d have a stroke if he heard just about any 2 songs from undertale
"WTH HOW UNORIGINAL CAN THIS GUY GET, OMG HE DID THE SAME WITH THE FOLLOW-UP GAME BRUH"
If people got copyrighted for using a non original chord progression 99% of composers would be criminals
There have been a LOT of lawsuits these last few years of artists suing and being sued for their generic chord progressions and melodies.
@@SupraViperhead yeah but like 99% of them were proven innocent
@@SupraViperhead but who
just to clarify, CHORD PROGRESSIONS ARE NOT INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, JESUS CHRIST
ok
Seriously, any legitimate musician or composer would slap this man in the face if he came up to them trying to convince them this is plagiarism
Buddy forgot coincidences were real
Quite frankly, to say that a shared intro chord progression (which is, to be clear, what this is) constitutes "stealing" is stunning. Haven't you seen Axis of Awesome's "4 Chords" vid? Or listened to electroswing?
Don't get me wrong! I love being included in things; I just want to make sure that I'm actually there.
I hate how badly the Sonic games and other properties are treated when people put so much into these. Like the music and animation
Well, not all Sonic games
Michael Jordan 1996 Space Jam type reaching on this one
It is literally just a really common leitmotif. I bet there are a lot of songs that has the same progression heck actually I'm learning to play trumpet I believe I played a song that had a similar part to that.
5:23
_No_
*Crisis City:* C, D, Eb, F
*Koopa's Road:* AD, BE, CF, DG with DA throughout in the bass.
They're not even the same notes. Also...
Crisis city uses single notes with octaves.
Koopa's Road uses chordioids + dissonance.
These are just partial scales, or stepwise motion. It's very common.
You do need to be a music student apparently.
I was just about to make a comment about this, but you hit the nail on the head!
this video literally made no sense and had no reason to be made lmao
As wise musician Will Wood once said "the nature of song writing is that there are only 12 fuckin' notes!"
Nintendo doesnt own chord progressions bro
This guy feels like a half-baked, Dollar store version of Game Theory
i absolutely love the fact that literally half of the video is just him rambling.
the best part of the video was when you made marge simpson out of clay, the rest felt like filler
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Real
I don't think Sega would intentionally skirt causing copyright problems, and if Nintendo felt they were being copied, they likely would have already gone after Sega for it.
It's just a simple progression that goes up the natural minor scale.
The progression may only contain fifths and no major/minor thirds, but it would simply be a i-ii-III-IV progression or something similar.
Blud is onto NOTHING 🥶🥶🗣️🔥‼️
Not to be annoying or anything, but you do realize this is part of the song is quite literally just a directly ascending progression, D-E-F-G, and I guarantee you you can hear this very simple progression in many other songs. Hell, I can even think of Nintendo songs that use that melody, perhaps one of the Castle themes is what I’m thinking. Also, while yes, the main notes may be the same, they still have different, (mind I am not very musically inclined) backing notes for the progression. I’m sure this simple note progression sounded foreboding and the composers liked it. Not to burst your bubble, but seriously. This isn’t a big deal. When my memory decides to kick in, I’ll put some songs with the same progression in the replies section of this comment.
The Mega Man X2 Reploid Factory track uses the same progression, yet again, at the beginning of the song, backing up what I said about being foreboding.
As a non musician I can confirm, Nintendo did not invent rising notes in that scale. They just share that scale, dude. Your def overthinking it.
a song having the same chord progression isn't enough to make it a copy of the same song
besides both of these songs are absolute bangers and crisis city is definitely the better of the two in my opinion
the most awful comparison ive seen yet
funnier part is how he got comment bots. ive spotted multiple.
Did Lemonkake Studios STEAL the name from Lemoncak3?
How the tables have turned
Ahhhh the infamous "Copy" Card Nintendoo-doo love to play 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not even close.
You aint no producer bro 😂
@@EndingRetrogradeand how do you know?
"im a producer because i said so"
@@Shmicabodien "because im a producer ☝🤓"
@@EndingRetrograde he literally makes music on his channel
it's a pretty common "buildup" progression used in a lot of compositions, all pretty unrelated to each other. and in video games in particular i can point out quite a few such as Meltdown 2 from Cave Story, and Cutscene 4 from the PS1 Cyborg Kuro-chan game. It is essentially a composing tool more so than a... melody to be taken from something.
It’s literally a scale, you can barely call it a motif. (A scale is like (A,B,C,E,F,G) You can find many songs of today using a scale chord progression let alone pieces from orchestral pieces way way way older than these background music. If Nintendo were to try to sue Sega for it, it wouldn’t work because it’s literally a scale. Also according to the photo in your video, Crisis City is written in Bb major and koopa road in C major.
Notice how many people are commenting that they’re similar to other songs? It’s scale
Hmm... I feel like Crisis City is written in Eb, but I could be wrong. Lol
@@chandlerpaulk4518 It was based on the photo, should have specified
1) You can't copyright a chord progression.
2) These aren't even the same chord progression.
By this logic. Take On Me by Aha and Don't Stop Believing by Journey are the same song.
Funny thing about songwriters, many draw inspiration from a competitive source.
Like how Pokemon Black and White had Celestial Tower/Dragonspiral Tower/Giant Chasm theme sounding very similar to Chrono Trigger's Secret of the Forest.
Dude it's FOUR NOTES THAT ARE IN A VERY BASIC PATTERN
As someone who’s a musician, I can tell you that this is a very basic start for many songs. Just 4 whole ascending notes. You said those notes are basically the same when it’s just the progression that’s the same. Crisis city’s chords are 3 c’s in a different octive while Koopa road uses a more dynamic progression. They both do their job at setting up the song. I’ve played many video games and performed many songs, you hear songs that have a very similar feel to it or even the same progression. For example, the American in Paris Suite has a progression that’s very similar to certain Star Wars songs yet it isn’t stealing. Stealing is just simply copying a peice of music for a part of a big part of song. Not to get confused with sampling or plagiarism where the line gets blurry.
You do realize that chord progressions can sound similar without being stolen, right? These songs are barely similar at all. Even the part with similar chords is a different tempo and instrument. I honestly dont even think this was worthy of a video lmao
Yeah I second this comment. This video was really just reaching... Ehhhhhhhh 🤷🏻♂️
This video explains the same situation in a different context th-cam.com/video/Tpi4d3YM79Q/w-d-xo.html
@@ChunterInfoNah without looking I know u lying
@Roroprin
He said that in the vidio
BLUD IS ONTO NOTHING 🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️💀‼️‼️‼️
you just summarized the entire video into 4 words and 12 emojis lmfao
I like Sonic Better than Mario... there, I said it. Are you going to say I copy nintendo too??? Lol
Well thats a strange comment because it dosent mean that you copy nintendo you just like mario types games but you rather to have WAY WAY TOO MUCH THINGS HAPPENIG AT ONCE (i know you can get used to it)
It's such a simple chord progression, in a different key, different style... I'm sure there is other music out there with similar things (Mega Man 1, Wily Stage 2). It really doesn't sound like copying at all. I've heard many similar bits in lots of different music. You want something that was copied? Hear "A Searing Struggle" from Ys III, and "Forgotten Path" from Jim Power.
Crisis city still clears and is more of a banger especially in gens 😅
One thing you need to understand about music is that there is a finite amount of chord progressions out there (at least on the 12-temperament system). Things are bound to be repeated. Although the parts are similar, one can't say they're copies. The chord progression works very well in both songs, and adds the impact they need. This chord progression specifically is used a TON by a LOT of people making intense songs.
Now I am not saying all of this as criticism, but rather for you to learn something new. I bet that if you look in other big games, movies, etc. You'll find that very exact progression.
Well, in music, there's one thing called chord progressions, and a lot of songs use the exact same chord proggression. If the main melody was similar i could consider this an option, but the only clear similarity between these two songs are the chord progression you mentioned, because if you listen to crisis city, you'll notice the melody completely changes after a while, and doesn't sound similar to koopa road anymore.
also a curiosity that no one cares about: they're not in the same key, koopa's road is in D minor, while crisis city is in C minor lol.
They simply share the same chord progression, another example of this would be the “Peaches” song from the Mario movie using the same chord progression in Never Gonna Give You Up by Rick Astley. However its also just generally a popular chord progression, so it doesn’t make sense to compare it specifically to the most popular song that used it.
Now I just want Jack Black bowser to sing a rickroll
@@aidenvera5920 real
@@Zinkle_ 🙂
it's just a simple walk up the minor scale. 1-2-b3-4
Who let bro cook 💀
I mean, it's a simple 4 chord rise. It's more shocking to not find MORE things like this.
4:56 "5 note progression" THERE ARE LITERALLY 4 NOTES💀
as someone who knows an ok amount about theory, it's a common chord progression. definitely a coincidence. not in a rude way, but i dont think you need to know any theory to figure that out either
its a chord progression, it's not like they share a melody
Well, considering that most pop song are using the same chords / chord progression, and are still not considered copies of the others, I think we can let this slip
Okay imma stop here at 6:17, this is not unique to Mario & Sonic and happens in countless other pieces of music, it’s more common than you may think, and it happens because as with all things there’s a known ‘formula’ that’s proven to work that just gets remixed over and over.
And as for Generations, Crisis City was actually down to a popularity fan poll, the stage just so happened to get the most votes, so SEGA & Sonic Team just went with that when deciding on what Stages to include, it was really a great time to be a Sonic Fan around that time.
Sonic Team chose the levels in Generations due to polls they made for the fans to choose their favorite levels from each game btw
Nintendromes when they finaly crawl out of their basement and see the sun for the first time (How did the universe dare to copy Super Mario Bros 3's evil sun): 😮😮
Guitar player and musician here... They are not the same at all.
Sega didn't copy Nintendo with anything. 🙄 what is it with Ninweirdo fantards coming to HATE on Sega for no go reason??? 😂😅
It’s a basic chord progression actually. It is similar but not really copied.
Remember, when any article title contains a question, the answer is usually "No". So it is here. Silly argument, clickbait title. That's a "no" from me.