2018 KTM 1290 Super Duke R | Favorites & Fails
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- Can a super naked that costs $18,000 really be worth the money? Yup, and here’s why.
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Favorites & Fails is exactly what the name suggests, a concise list of the good and bad for the bikes we’re riding. This isn’t meant to be a comprehensive evaluation or road test, but rather a candid snapshot, delivered with the same sincerity and honesty we’d show to a friend that wanted our opinion on a given bike. Hopefully you find it helpful or at least informative. Don’t agree with us, or have a motorcycle you want us to put through the F&F wringer? Feel free to chime in below in the comments section.
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When you ride as many different motorcycles as we do it gives you good perspective on a given bike’s strengths and weaknesses. And whether you’re shopping for your next bike or just want to be in the know, it’s helpful to get an experienced rider’s opinion. So as a quick way to convey the highs and lows of the bikes we’ve been riding we came up with this new video series. Favorites & Fails is exactly what the name suggests, a concise list of the good and bad for the bikes we’re riding.
This isn’t meant to be a comprehensive evaluation or road test, but rather a candid snapshot, delivered with the same sincerity and honesty we’d show to a friend that wanted our opinion on a given bike. Hopefully you find it helpful or at least informative. Don’t agree with us, or have a motorcycle you want us to put through the F&F wringer? Feel free to chime in below in the comments section.
This isn’t meant to be a comprehensive evaluation or road test, but rather a candid snapshot, delivered with the same sincerity and honesty we’d show to a friend that wanted our opinion on a given bike. Hopefully you find it helpful or at least informative. Don’t agree with us, or have a motorcycle you want us to put through the F&F wringer? Feel free to chime in below in the comments section.
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This bike by the numbers:
Price: $17,999
Displacement: 1301cc
Measured Wet Weight: 472 lb. (214 kg)
Seat Height: 32.9 in. (835mm)
Fuel Capacity: 4.8 gal. (18L)
Measured Horsepower: 154.7 @ 9960 rpm
Measured Torque: 92.5 lb.-ft. @ 7390 rpm
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Favorite: Front tire should last at least a decade due to usually being off the pavement.
LOL, LMAO, and ROFL!
Bbbrrrrraaaaaappppp
Lol
Harley would give you 10% of this bike at double the cost.
Ha. So true
While I could trust Dwayne Johnson with my mother, I couldn't trust my mother with Dwayne Johnson.
Ha ha ha 😂😂😂
Had a 2015 for a few years. Best bike I've ever ridden from an aggressive street riding perspective. Really touches you emotionally
Brother in 2017 when you did the KTM 1290 Super Duke Review in Qatar, After that review this Bike became The Dream Bike! On July 17, 2017 My Wife got me this Bike. It’s April 10th On the Island of Hawaii (Big Island) and I have 19,000 Miles on my SDR. Your correct! It’s hands down THE BEST NAKED BIKE IN THE WORLD...Dum Dums like Cycle Cruza have zero Idea. KTM has been amazing with every little issue, I came up with. Down to the Sun damage to the buttons, KTM replaced the entire left hand cluster. KTM’s Reliability amazing. If your ever In Hawaii let me know, I’ll be your tour guide and my 1290 is yours to see the Island with. GREAT HONEST REVIEW! Aloha Nui
The only dum dums are the ones who FAIL to actually ready the KTM warranty terms: *"This warranty covers only the engine, frame and swingarm. No other components of the motorcycle are covered by any warranty, expressed or implied and are sold “as is."*
However, I might still buy one to share the experience on my channel like I did for the Ducati XDiavel S that I sold a few months ago.
I live in EU maybe that makes a difference, but... I got a new radiator and a display changed on warranty which is why I bought the extended warranty - because stuff got replaced on time. Don't now if I got lucky or simply have a good dealer but I had no warranty issues so far (Owning a duke 690 for 3 years now). I still have my trust issues with the bike but I just have to say that the fun factor makes up for all potential problems. Keeping all this in mind I would be carefull buying a 15k + bike that needs special care and treatment, everybody has to decide on their own if it's worth it.
@@CycleCruza His point was that KTM service has been top notch even without the warranty coverage..I have an '18 300 XCW and a '19 390 Duke and they're both great..This 1290R would be a nice step-up for me.. :)
Great video. The best mod bar none is a full system, you don’t need the extra power, pull and noise, but it’s bloody intoxicating.
Get carbon fibre wheels too.
Would love to but after £2k on the exhaust I can’t justify the rims ☹️
That all sounds good but moneyyyyyy
For less money its better to keep the stock headers, get a slip on, delete cat, and get an airbox. Either motohooligan or rottweiler. A lot more bang for your buck. The header doesn't do much. The airbox adds a big chunk of mid range and adds to the sound especially for the rider.
Jakalwarrior problem is that voids the warranty. Also, the titanium Akra is much lighter and turns blue 😬
I would love to see a long term review of this bike. If reliability isn't an issue, It would be a blast to get one on the used market.
Same bike I think. Same guy, Zack. www.motorcyclistonline.com/long-term-motorcycle-test-naked-bikes-ktm-1290-super-duke-r-doin-time
Dirceu Corsetti I’m on 19,000 Miles on my 2017 1290 Super Duke, I’ve had zero issues and KTM has stood behind their product. Brother save and Buy one. If I were you I’d wait until 2020 it’s going to be an even better bike knowing KTM.
Dirceu Corsetti stay away from KTM ... unless your dealer is a saint and you have deep pockets ... I lived in Dubai and my dealer was a piece of shit
Once you’ve tested it, you will love it. Tested on New Zealand moutains, i never felt so much fun,and hapiness since long time ago
I think I need to trade my 2017 Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 factory for the KTM SDR.
Going for a testride on Saturday. If this bike is as good as you say it is , i'm bank is gonna come after me ! thanks for the favorite and fails !
Just bought a left over 2018 SDR for 15,656 OTD. Picking it up this weekend.
Damn I was gonna buy a 390 just to buzz around on as I have a Harley Dyna but after watching videos on this bike and hearing all that, I GOTTA HAVE ONE! Headed for my KTM dealer! 🤘🔥🤘
second! now I wanna see Dwayne Johnson do some action with this bike :D
Funny thing is once someone gave credit props to 1290 Duke to Dwayne THE ROCK Johnson he come out in the News yesterday and says he struggles with crying and depression. I am Not picking on either subject but pointing out the timing was funny.
Best for acceleration and raw speed. Worst for sound. It sounds like a mixer! Shame really because a nice sound is what drawers me to bikes but I want this!
Great vid as always Zach only thing remaining now is a review of the tuono and then a stand-off between the two !!!
I put myself deeply in debt (€14k) just to be able to buy one. I had to have it. Worked my ass off and made smart investments over the next 5 years (since 2018) to pay it off. Finally paid off in April this year. The Superduke is an excellent example of a good-at-everything bike. I personally found only the suspension left me wanting better. The bike responds incredibly well to the Akrapovic system and ECU mapping. You don't need it for the speed but it gets rid of the government mandated emissions stuff, and the result is so much smoother acceleration and much improved sound. In track mode with the quickshifter, you basically have a motorcycle for life. You just can't get enough of it.
I got my 2010 RC8 mapped on the dyno with the stock exhaust. It now has 150RWHP with the exact same amount of torque as this bike. That's with a first gen LC8 with 1145cc.
This is really great to know the best and worst of the bike. May have to get one...
Don't forget they charge extra to unlock the quick shifter and turn off the anti wheelie.
The 790 is my kinda bike... can hardly wait.
Thai Q. Ly check out royaljordanian's review on the 790 and im sure u will change opinion... its nothing like the prototype KTM lied about.
swapping my 2017 mv agusta brutale for this very soon!
2016 mv agusta brutale 800 dragster owner here. Amazing bike. Yes it has its problems, like all italian bikes do, yes its pretty expensive, but damn its pretty as hell, fast and has amazing brakes and suspension. So the price is somewhat justified.
Modern Italian maintained bikes don't have any more problems than Japanese bikes. I will agree it may cost more for parts. My 2 Ducatis have had just normal wear and tear maintenance. My Aprilia Mille never a problem. Just tires, brakes pads, and battery
It's true, italian manufacturers came a long way, the multistrada 1200 has many miles between services and valve check but still not as reliable as japanese bikes and the parts are pretty expensive. For me it is worth buying an italian bike, they are very carefully designed and they have feisty personalities !
TJYE
Agusta,looks better
TJYE do it you'll love it! Awsome bike!
As an owner of the bike, my biggest gripe is the nanny stuff. I'm ok with that in street mode, but sport mode should give you what you ask for. Slowing the rate to mimic a conservative throttle cam is ok, but, but 100% throttle should always snap the butterflies all the way open.
you are the first motorcycle reviewer i agree on... you arent blaming stupid things as fails...
also on the superduke 1290r 2.0 the buttons for the menu get scratches? not like the 1.0
"The Dwayne Johnson of motorcycles" hahaha. Would like to see more of this for other bikes
It took the record in Pikes Peak heavy class! Beautiful machine! Would love if MCM made a comparison with SD R and SD GT. Or MT-10 tourer and SD GT.
Great vid!
Would be nice to see the new 790 Duke on one of your shows in the near future. ;)
Damn you are a good salesman! I am wary of KTM's reliabilty but now I want one (actually the Enduro 690R) thanks to your silver-tongued delivery 🏍
Get the Husky 701 enduro - better suspension, better turning circle and the updated 690 engine from the Duke. I've got 20,000+ miles on the 690E and the 701 is what the 690 should have developed into, but didn't.
Ed Wilson i want to buy the 701 or 690 smcr. I can not afford a brand new one. I heard the new 701 got the duke engine what engine do the old 701 and 690's have and can the engines handle high milage?
I just starten to look at this segment and it would be nice to get some intel from someone that has a bit more knowledge.
I Just rebuilt my ktm690r because the head roller bearing failed and destroyed my camshaft and sent metal bearing pins through the engine. Thanks ktm.
Oh the fuel system failed, the Dash stopped working, the dam rear tank bolts snap and the lower one needs a larger sleeve. Get a husky :)
+sirjolly81 Husqvarna is ktm's sister brand. They use the same engines for pretty much all their bikes. If you stay on top of your mantainance you won't have "realiability issues" :)
Love the videos as always! Do the Tuone next! After riding a Tuone, I had to buy one (2 actually) but I often wonder, if I had had the opportunity to test a Super Duke, would I have gone the KTM way instead. The S Duke is an impossible bike to get a test ride on. Maybe someday I'll have both...Lol.
I actually do own both; both have way more performance than you can use on the street; for cruising and lazying about, the KTM is much better... more comfort (no idea what's blocking the wind, but it feel like I'm behind a screen), maybe twice the mileage, but feels much less refined. The V4 of the Tuono is one eargasm after the other while feeling like it's running on whipped cream... where the KTM is more like a hugely fast tractor. I'm short and stocky, I prefer the KTM for street riding because less weight on my wrists... haven't taken it to the track yet. Tuono at the track is SO much fun! On the street the Tuono is causing me frustration, like it needs and wants to go faster without relaxing... the KTM allows slow cruising and has much better low rpm fueling too. Try one back to back with the Aprilia, you'll also feel the differences ;)
I had the RC8R. It is bar none the greatest, most communicative chassis I have ever ridden on the track. That trellis frame is absolutely brilliant and it crushes me that the market, and KTM, gave up on the RC8R because it had the potential to be brilliant with a more competitive engine. Please KTM, bring back a trellis frame superbike and put a strong motor with proper electronics in it!
I rode my mates 1290. It's bloody awesome! Plan to get one myself.......one day when I can afford it. :)
I rode the Superduke GT and thought it amazing. Only complaint is with big hands the grip isn't wide enough and my hand rubbed on the power cable for the heated grips
KTM claims 130 kw (177 bhp)
If you come as a Harley guy the price is no object. You get what you pay for !
Motorcyclist Magazine gives the rear wheel figures they've measured on the dyno whereas manufacturers typically quote crank hp numbers (unless stated otherwise). The link to their dyno run is in the video description (to be precise they measured 154.66 bhp at 9960 rpm, and 92.55 ft lbs at 7390 rpm on their dynojet dyno). 10-15% drivetrain loss is pretty typical, although some manufacturers have been known to exaggerate while others will understate their power.
My new 2019 Super Duke R has 174 BHP and 143 NM of torque (118 foot pounds). Cannot wipe the smile from my face.
This bike seems to get so much love. I just wish it wasn't so expensive.
303 Aerospace Protectant
Will stop that UV fade on switch clusters. Good for all plastic and rubber, except your tires of course ;)
Is this a good starter bike?
Absolutely not. You need to first learn throttle control, cornering, and get some experience riding before you get a super bike. New riders will probably hurt themselves on this bike.
Those illuminated controls, super nice
Hope you guys cover the new striple!
Every iteration of the LC8 engine is really fun.
Nice review. I’m a fan of the “favorites and fails.”
Waiting for this since a long time
Love the Dwayne Johnson reference haha that was spot on. I’m waiting for an RSV4 Favorites and Fails next!
Would you advise buying this bike so late in the life cycle or wait for the next iteration of super duke.
This very entertaining! Please do a Fav&Fail for z900 and fz09 😀👍
Awesome video and Awesome bike, I would buy one tomorrow if Could afford it. Hopefully I will have one before too long
Had a 16 special edition, sold it after 2 months. Everything was upgraded, but just couldn't get comfortable, the seat was just not made for me i guess. I also pumped another grand or so into a decat link pipe for a better sound and a new airbox and a few other bits. Sitching gears felt like riding a tractor trailer, not to mention how many times i'd miss a gear. In the end, traded it in for a '17 tuono and couldn't be happier. By far the superior bike in my opinion.
aluisious nope, put on about 4000kms in that time. I really wanted to like it. I got a great deal on it and like I said I even put over an extra grand into it, hoping it would feel better. Just didn't like, I came off a triumph street triple, which likes to rev high, and this bike tips out at like 9000rpm. Just didn't feel fast to me. On the tuono, you really feel the speed, and the sound is incredible. I never liked the sound of the sdr. Again, this is all just my opinion based on personal experience. The bike had just over 7000kms when I traded it. I think it should've been broken in by then, either way I wasn't going to wait around till it did.
I had a 2016 and just bought a 2017 the differences are immeasurable! Smoother, stronger, stable, and FUN!!!!
from what I hear from you it is basically the perfect bike
Thanks
KTM has potential to take over the world, they just need to expand their range and make some bikes for the everyman as well. I love the way they engineer their bikes but they’re all very over the top. Not everyone is into that created-by-a-mad-scientist style of bike
3:47 Dwayne Johnson of motorcycles 😂😂😂😍😍😍👍👍👍
One more fantastic video for a very cool bike, but what about a 1000cc shutout, Zack and Ari style? :D :D :D
More Triumph bikes for favorites and fail pls. Especially street triple rs
Where is the Ninja 400 MC Commute video? Looking forward to it is all.
As am I!
All bikes should have adjustable foot pegs. Not everybody has the same length legs after all. What would it take to add a few extra threaded holes?
Well that's it, I never looked twice at this bike until now. After this video will spend every last second of my free time looking for a used one for sale
Thank you for reviewing the MONSTER..... LOVED IT..😍😍😍😍😍
Great vid! Can u do a review of the Tuono????? and would love a comparison to the SD.
155HP? Is that RWHP? Thought it was 177. Also doesn’t the panigale make as much torque? Also, you like the motor more than the tuono?! All this from me- who just bought new super duke lol
155 is at the wheel
It is not about "as much torque as the superduke" it is about the availability of the torque.
From what I've gathered you get nearly everything from 2,5k revs up :-)
Martin Kadlec 45 at 2k, 60 at 4k, then a max torque of 92lb-ft at 7390... Makes for an excellent midrange. www.cycleworld.com/2018-ktm-super-duke-r-dyno
What happened to the Yamaha?
1299 makes similar torque at 8,000 RPM but the SuperDuke pulls the pin from right down the bottom and doesn’t stop. I sold my 1100 V4 for a SuperDuke, both stunning machines.
Love my KTM
Please CBR 300 next, I'm planning on buying that bike in the future (once I have the money enough)
Hi, great videos! Can you please do Yamaha MT/FZ 07? and Yamaha MT/FZ 09 SP?
I've owend the 2014 SDR1290. Sellingpoints are as discribed in video. I would add the supermoto ABS to the list (every manufacturer should add this in my opinion). Negatives: (1) brakes on my 2014 were no good. (2) Fact that you need to pay for electronic update/map to get full power is not OK in my book. (3) Vague feedback in corners from suspension was not confidence inspiring... but the wheelies kept it in my garage for 5 years ;-) Just made the switch to a 2019 Tuono factory (because of the negatives above and the V4).
When are you gonna do one of your "ride to work reviews" with this bad boy?
Nice bike but i'm gonna stick with my Kawa ZX-14R thank you.
What happened to this series? In 2020 no more "Favourite and Fails" . Please bring this series back
I've owned the 2015 SDR for 3 years now. I would disagree about the engine heat not being an issue. Get's very hot in the summer and it engulf's you with it while at a stand-still. I would also add that the riding aids are poorly integrated and traction control is programmed so badly it's more dangerous to ride with it on.
Hell of a dream bike
You guys should do a review of it against the Z1000.
Good review as always, thanks, how tall are you? Position is not a bit cramped?
I just like the way it looks
This review really makes me want one.. You bastard!
It's so hard to choose which is better, MV Agusta Brutale or KTM 1290 SDR. I'm having MV Agusta Brutale 800 RR Dragster (Hmm, I couldnt get a best price choice in my country). I almost like KTM 1290 SDR and the fail of it, I think, to my opinion that I can't find an exhaust which has a good sound (affective and strong, exp: like Kawasaki Z1000 which Vance & Hines Exhaust). The price of it is worth with many amazing things KTM gave to their users.
Btw, this is the good vid.
Please can you do a full review of the new superduke r 🙏🙏🙏
Would love to see one of these on the Tuono.
"a fail has got to be price" dude! it's a lot cheaper than other places in the world, like my place for example, it's 28600$ in Vietnam.
Sounds awesome. If I could not afford this, you mentioned that you like the Versys 650 also. Could I use the Versys for riding around for fun, an occasional track day, probably no long trips, etc or is there a better option for those tasks?
Revs high for over 1300cc. Almost 10k is hard to believe, it's basically 2 stomping 650 single joined together.
Great video . I want this bike man
An approachable dimension-warping machine
Would love to see if your F&F thoughts match mine on a 17 Aprilia Tuono Factory...
Can you guys get a video of Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson riding the 1290 super Duke R ???
I would like to see a MC commute on the 18 SDR please
Very nice video thanks bro:-)
Damn I want one now, but I simply can't afford it. I have been looking into the new 790 which is well within my financial comfort zone but have serious concerns about KTM's limited warranty. The dealer that I have been communicating with could neither confirm nor deny that KTM does not warranty the electronics, on a machine so wholly dependent upon them.
Love the ktm even tho I'm a husqvarna guy(I know there practically the same but idk I just like husqvarna) which do you believe would be better as a commuter or as a full on supermoto. A Ducati hypermotard or husqvarna 701(maybe a on two wheels episode?)
Hey Zack, what do you think of the super duke r............
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.............. It doesn't matter what you think
i bought a 2015 new back in 2015. I have it modded to the max and am still way below that 18k price. I personally would rather have the 15 or 16 year. been reading bad stories on the keyless fob, the dash can't be seen in sunlight, jumps back and forth from night time to daytime. issues with getting the 17 and 18's mapped and it has the stupid servo on the exhaust to deal with. it does have cruise but for the cons not worth it imho. the engines are awesome for sure. I had a Buell xb12 supertt prior and for fun it was close just not the power. handling though the Buell was just as good. Most fun bike and I been riding street for 45 years!
Is it your number one bike, right now, Zach?
After having been on a naked bike for 8 years or so, there are certainly times when the wind blast is tiresome. How is it on the SuperDukeR compared to, say, the SuperDukeGT? The upcoming updated GT is in the running for next bike, unless the Panigale V4 can tempt me away from the GT's practicality...
Also, you've met The Rock??
with the permission of aprilia tuono v4 1100 factory, the ktm is the 2 best naked in the market
Now for the important question. Would "you" spend your money on this bike, or would "you" go with something a bit more affordable?
Personally, I got my 2014 FZ09 used for 4.5K with 300 miles on it and couldn't imagine dropping almost 20K on a single bike.
be careful bro, lately I saw some people who are irritated by us who are askin about "price tag". some even gonna call you cheap mofos. I'm with you btw, I always considered the best value for money of a bike. on this class, MT09 is one of the best option.
honestly it would depend on the person, like economically 20k is a lot for the bike, let alone any bike, but like he said its a premium bike. If you had 6figues a year i don't see why you'd get a 5k bike over a 20k bike other than your person tastes. If the money isn't an issue, bringing it up kinda doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but if it is an issue you already know 20k is out of range so what's the point of asking. You know?
depends on if you want a good bike or a fucking amazing bike ;)
DuckHead Moto I’m a simple Chef that works hard and I’ve spent my time on a bike if not in a kitchen and the $23,000 I spent on my 1290 with all the goodness and bits has been worth every penny. Started on a R6 then R1 then M1 and now the 1290. I’ll always have a 1290 in the garage for the rest of my days. He’s very correct when he said it’s the best engine in the world and for that I’d pay $30k.
Can you make a video about benefits of 1 down 5 up gear system vs all up or all down gear patterns. I don't know if u have a motorcycle in USA with the all up gear pattern
Hey Zack: what were your thoughts on the SDR's seat height from the ground? I have a 2016 SDR myself and LOVE the machine. Only aspect I wish I could change would be to lower it an inch or two - but I'm a short dude as well, so go figure :-p Excellent review!
155WHP, 180BHP - 103ft lbs. Easily modded to close to 200BHP in a v-twin.
Do one with the new Honda cb1000r
How? It is not even out yet.
Weltenspinner LPs it is for journalists , today I saw few videos on them on TH-cam. I want to see their take.
because it is a good bike
m.l.d. you are a genius
So, fantastic bike and struggling to find convincing fails. But those electronics, any particular examples of where/how they lack the finesse of competitors? And which competitors are you thinking of - tuono? s1000r? full sports?
I just sold my 2014 KTM 1290 SDR because i still keep my 675 Street Triple R. This 2 cylinder vibrates my ass every where off when i am not racing which i am only 10%.
I used to think I wanted one of these... but then I realized that the FJR and ZX14 are faster (slightly) and much more practical in balance. ...and much much less expensive. But if they wanted to start selling this little gem for say... 12K, then sign me up.
Please do a fav/fail on the aprilia Tuono 1100 2017 and up
if anything the ONLY fail on this bike is that you have to remove the stock exhaust to change out the rear tire :/
Why don't you say same about the price for bmw and ducati btw good video
It makes 177BHP on crank and around 165 on wheel!
its awsome bike sir ...... i love it verry much