+Barackolli Obama If you noticed he's taking over an hour to explain THE ENTIRE DLC, not just the ending. Try to keep it accurate. Funny you're getting comments like "you got that right my friend" when you didn't get that right, lmao...
The voice acting during the lobotomy scene is amazing especially when Atlas gets angry. You can hear him slipping up in his voice and Frank Fontaine spills out. That's incredible
The voice acting in this game is fucking amazing. I genuinely wanted to rip and tear anyone who hurt elizabeth and it wasn't easy hearing her suffering when the VA made it seem so realistic.
I can't even watch the lobotomy scene when I play this DLC. The horror of such a thing is executed with perfect precision to the extent that you can imagine how painful it would be. Also shows you how brutal Atlas/Fontaine really is: he's a psychopath that's incapable of empathy or attachment and will do anything to achieve his goals. In the end, Andrew Ryan achieved his goal in attracting a person who represents pure Machiavellian manner, avarice, and pragmatics to work the free market. Scary stuff.
Dude,what you did is something to be recognized...that is the most rational analysis on youtube about the chain of events regarding Bioshock Infinite and its DLCs Burial at the sea I~II. It is amazing how you've put it all together. To a greater extent, what I take from all of this is a message behind the story, a big lesson for everyone to learn, and surely that's what it makes a game greater than just the fun of playing - something practical, which we can apply on our lives: Let us not become exactly the same thing as the ones we criticize for wrongdoing, because if we do, we'll set an infinite cycle of perpetuating errors, to an extant it will shape our and other's realities exactly into what we wouldn't desire. Let us not fall into the sinister trap of being a monster to fight up monsters, or we will generate a monstruous reality, where is hard to tell right from wrong (as manicheistic as it may seem). I want to thank you for helping me achieve this meta-message behind it all.
+JV2017gameplay I think you've overlooked the fact that the REAL badguy(girl) in the game was not Comstock, but Rosalind Lutece. She was the one who helped Comstock create his Aryan Wonderland. She was the one who trapped Liz in the tower with her technology. She was the one without who Comstock could have never stolen Booker's child. The whole game was Booker being manipulated, abused, and brutalized, just so Rosalind could make sweet-sweet incestual love with herself, in a form of her "brother". Liz should not have drowned Booker at the end of Infinite, she should have beaten Rosalind's ugly skull in with a rusty tire iron, before Comstock approached her with a plan to build Columbia.
+Kieran Grundfast Fontaine refers to Jack as "freak of nature" because he is genetically altered with growth stimulating substances because at the events of bioshock 1 he is basically 2 Years old. Jack hijacks his own plane as this is what was programmed into him( by mental conditioning) as first task after his activation: to crash the plane exactly at the location of Raptures Lighthouse.
+allnotathome you're right & mistaken at the same time, the Luteces's only did what they did to get back on Comstock for being murdered by him, but then they found themselves in a time loop, one which they could have gotten out of but being the scientists that they are they decided instead to take it as an opportunity to perform a social experiment, they start tracking Comstock, DeWitt & Elizabeth's choices through all the worlds to see if one of them will do something different, which none of them do, they all keep repeating the same choices, until one of the Elizabeth's finds a way to close the loop by preventing Anna from being kidnapped and sending her to trap the DeWitt that would become Comstock in a cage universe and killing him there before the baptism loop restarts......and they weren't having sex
Bryan Foster tbh I commented at 30 minutes into the vid but my point was that he doesn’t have to mention it in the video for someone to know that fact since it’s pretty obvious
The nose bleed doesn’t have to do with death, it has to do with being in a reality that’s not your own. Robert Lutece experiences similar symptoms when he first arrived in Colombia
But then why didn't Elizabeth expirience that when they went to other realities on Infinite. But at the same time maybe it could be both. Not being in your reality and that the you of that reality is dead.
The real explanation is that the nosebleeds occur when thinking about things they can’t understand. It is all so much they literally are harmed physically. Booker experienced this in both the normal game and dlc when he thinks about his origins. They can’t think about other time lines, it’s just too much. Elizabeth WAS special, so it didn’t affect her, but in this she is just normal so it does.
@@theminecraftiers007 it is because she already posses omniscience it is only limited and controlled by Comstock through the siphon in her tower. And another reason why she wasn't affected by it because she she gained her powers by coexisting in multiple realities at the same time anna in Comstock's reality and the pinky in booker's reality. Also she was made whole again in the 2nd part of the dlc regained her pinky by coming to rapture again where another version of her is already dead that is why she lost her omniscience.
"Taken back" you say, except he buggers off after decapitating the hierarchy twice... and a loony psychiatrist collectivist with delusions of an Adam-based hive mind takes over...
You missed out a nice little throwback they added where one of the Little Sisters which first imprinted on the Big Daddy that killed Suchong is called "Masha". This was the abducted girl in the audio logs in the original Bioshock, with the mum mourning about losing her and then finding her as a Little Sister. So depressing to listen to those audio logs, but this was a nice touch to add a bit of consolation in knowing that while Masha may have been kidnapped and turned into a Little Sister, she played a pivotal part in Rapture and contributed to the death of Suchong.
Booker: You know Atlas is going to... Elizabeth: Yes. And I'm ready. Booker: Are you sure? Elizabeth: Yes. This is the exact same conversation Booker and Elizabeth had before Booker goes into the door and let other Elizabeth drown himself to repay his debt. It is so moving to see that Booker passed his attitude toward redemption to Elizabeth. They both decided to sacrifice theirselves for others, even those that they barely know. I believe that it is because of Booker Elizabeth chose to sacrifice herself for Sally, just like Booker did for her.
Basically we find out that Bioshock Infinite was a pre sequel for Bioshock 1 and 2 all this time hence why it was never called Bioshock 3 ! Mind Blowing stuff
It also bring so much more meaning into BioShock 1. Makes you really think twice about the "ending" of Bioshock 1. As you now know a more or less omniscient person gave her life to just so YOU can save those poor girls turned into little sisters and end all tragedy going on in Rapture. And as the Bioshock ending shows, give the girls a chance, to learn, to love and life... its so fukn great that you have cry.
xXDeathMetalThrasherXx I played Infinite first, then 1, then 2, so I went down the right path I guess. Also a quick little side note, ELIZABETH IS THE WHOLE REASON THE FIRST BISHOCK EXISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE! MY MIND HAS BEEN BLOWN TO SMITHERINES!!!
I'd like to clear up a common misconception. The nosebleeds aren't caused by, or symbolic of death in another universe, although it is used as a tool for foreshadowing in this episode. The nosebleeds are caused when a false memory that the mind made up (remember the quote) contradicts the actual memory that they have forgotten when entering another universe. Elizabeth's nose bleeds because she sees herself dead, but she knows she's alive. She has two memories, each telling her that the other one is false. Her brain can't comprehend that, so her nose bleeds. Think of it as her brain short-circuiting, but instead of sparks there's blood. That's also what happened to Booker in Infinite, and Comstock in Episode 1.
Idk why anyone thought the nosebleeds were because of that? Does he mention it in the video. I haven't watched it and now I kinda don't want to if he's gonna mess something up as simple as that.
A friend of mine pointed out that Bioshock starts with a phrase and Infinite opens with a choice, so when Andrew Ryan says "a man chooses, a slave obeys" he may be refering to Booker as a man and Jack as a slave
I don’t think they had that much foresight. Probably just coincidence it worked out that way or they wrote bookers character based on that quote after the fact. Still incredible nonetheless
Jack was only a slave if he didn’t make his own choices. And Jack did choose. It’s all about choosing either too live the life others want you too, or too make life your own. Jack could choose too be good or evil. Too use the little sisters or to save them.
The nosebleeds don't foreshadow the deaths - they are caused by the characters travelling through the tears and having different memories from the other version of themselves in that universe
At 27:49 when Elizabeth is going down the elevator and she sees Booker and herself, if you go back and play that part in Bioshock Infinite, Elizabeth will be startled and turn around, asking Booker, "what was that?" Details, details, details. Ken Levine for President!
Omni Codex She says "What was that" because of the conversation Booker had with Daisy. Not because she turned around and Saw herself, if that happened then Elizabeth wouldn't mention how she didn't remember seeing herself at that part.
Omni Codex Can't confirm that, but I can't confirm my theory either. I'm not sure, going to have to go back and play that part again to find out for sure.
I just noticed that one of the little sisters helping the big daddy is named Masha. In the first game there is an audiolog of a mother that lost her little girl only to find out she became a little sister. The name of her daughter was Masha.
yooo , i just remembered the exact audio diary you told , the mother and father were lying dead in the bed (from poision i guess) but that attention to detail , dayummmm
On thing you may have overlooked at 34:15 she mentions that she sold Sally, Elizabeth is the one who took Sally and sold her just so Commstock/Booker could relive his guilt of killing Anna and eventually lead him to his death to achieve her vengeance. Elizabeth deliberately set it all into motion that’s why the Lutece’s were comparing her to Booker sayin the apple did not fall far from the tree. Hence why Elizabeth feels so guilty for having left there because if what happened to Sally would have happened without Elizabeth’s interference why would she go out of her way to do right in this one instance. It like when Andrew Ryan says it’s like Isaac Newton running into a burning building to save his cat only for him to set the house on fire and in the case of Bioshock Elizabeth. Booker sells Anna to wipe away his debt. Then gets a chance of redemption to save her. Elizabeth steals and sells Sally to allow Commstock to reformulate his guilt about Anna and leads him to be killed by the big daddy. Then Elizabeth goes back to save Sally after having used her to exact her revenge.
Holy shit, I also missed that! This puts things in such a better perspective on the parallels and layer of the story. I know Im years lat in playing this franchise, but I have fallen in love with this franchise. I hope BioShock 4, if it ever comes out, has writing on this or a better lvl.
ultragarrison yes and no basically to put it in the simplest way the story repeats itself over and over again it starts with Anna getting kidnapped by comstock and ends with booker killing all the comstocks and bookers at the point of his babtism of all universes to get rid of them in the present and future and finally it ends with Elizabeth dying in the end of rapture leaving no other Elizabeth's in the present or future so they all exist in the past up until getting to those points the babtism and Elizabeth's death after those two points theres no booker anna Elizabeth nor comstock so from the moment where booker goes back to his babtism timeline and kills himself theres no more comstocks and bookers after that point with the exception of that very last comstock that goes to rapture and changes back to booker but he gets taken care of. and from the beginning of the first bioshock game and on all of the elizabeths are dead since the Elizabeth that died at the end of burial at sea was the very last one.
marco greene that one is debatable it wasn't really explained correctly it's either anna gets taken in all universes or she does get taken in all universes except one universe so there might be one anna and one booker that take a different rout from the game because then again that was the whole point of the luteces getting booker to Colombia to reunite him with anna. we'll probably never know lol
My personal belief (and therefore not anything to rely on) is as follows: Just as the "Booker" you play in Bioshock Infinite is killed, the "Elizabeth" you worked with in Bioshock Infinite is killed at the end of this story... and therefore, it is the last of the Comstocks and Elizabeths... But I think the last scene of the original Bioshock Infinite is a timeline where Booker doesn't take the Baptism (and therefore does not become Comstock) and does not sell his daughter as there is no Comstock to sell her to. Therefore, Anna grows up as Booker's daughter and therefore having never been given to Comstock, she never becomes Elizabeth. The mysterious end scene of Bioshock Infinite is never shown as we will never know what that timeline will be... aside from the fact that there will never be a Comstock or Elizabeth in it. Only a Booker and an Anna.
Randy Parsons You know... I wonder if there is just the ONE universe... and that we're not walking into alternate universes as we normally think of them, but just into the essence of possibility. When Booker goes through the tear, he suddenly has memories of helping Slade form the revolution... while also remembering his timeline before the tear. The people walking around remembering when they were dead. In either case, the story relies on alternate timelines to even make sense.
UncleMilo Well single timeline has more of a meaningful story. Bascially, our playthrough as Booker is all screwed to hell and back, and no one, except Eliz is good, they are all pretty much bad people. Solution? Get the hell out that of that universe. End of game. They try to make other universes very similar, but that makes no sense really. With one timeline it could be a struggle to get back to Dewitt when he was young, and change his path just slightly, so he doesn't turn into a psychopath. Back to the Future does it right, just subtle changes is all it takes. This game ends with your death and all you did being meaningless. The worker rebellion was cool. That's really all the plot you need, don't even need time travel.
Randy Parsons Are you saying remove multiverse? When I first read that, I saw all the flaws in it if the multiverse theory was applied. Then I realized that you were talking about one timeline.
VentusWingKnight Yes, one timeline. Doing that might make Eliz's tears not work into the story. Doesn't matter any more its just a game. So many problem with time travel. For example, why not just take Booker as a baby and move him to different parents?
Guys, wanna see something fun? At 11:21 and onwards, keep looking at the water. You will constantly see floating corpses of Elizabeth Just to put it out there
Hoolllyyy crap... Those are all the Elizabeths that are "dead," because of her choice to return to the world.... very nice catch. This game is so freaking deep.
@@Callsign_Kishin : All the Bioshock games heavily favour melee focus, but the first one gives you the best combo right from the start: Shock + Wrench. It is ridiculous how effective it gets if you focus entirely on wrench / shock upgrades.
@@SotiCoto bruh a point blank shot from y fully upgraded shotgun has less damage and overall DPS than my wrench with both jockey and speed tonics it does some massive damage
Its near the end of summer 2020 and I am just now fully discovering what a masterpiece and a mind fuck this franchise truly was/ is. Thank you so much for taking the time to craft this 2 part series. I enjoyed every minute of the ride!
Don't feel bad I only got into bioshock as well this year. I finally understand why everyone praised this game so highly now. Truly shows how games can be a work of art
i didnt like the loopty loop shit, when i play a game and it ends in a loophole of a infinite cycle that doesnt really end, i dont feel acomplished at all, i guess the bioshock 1 ending is the true true true ending to the series, but if so, there is a lot of time and dimension fuckery
@@phucthiennguyen3299 the booker that got annas head cut off might still live so they could have been together again if elizabeth didnt die in rapture and got the luteces to get her to him :(
@@Fabian6980 that Booker died at Baptism. Remember, Booker going to Baptism is the constant. Every Booker goes there. That Booker later either became Comstock or stayed Booker and then got sent to another timeline to "save" Elizabeth to pay off his debt.
@@noman1122 No he's not. The Booker we play in the infinite died by drowning. The Booker that got Anna's killed is still alive like any depressed Booker from another universe (But i guess he's the most depressed Booker)
*whew* Man, what a ride that was. Bioshock has always been one of my favourite games ever, but I wasn't sure how to feel about Infinite. When i first played it, I loved it. I thought is was just as good as the first game. But as time went on, I began to feel a little less amazed by it's complexity, the story didn't seem to stick with me as much as game 1 did. Then...I played Burial at Sea...and my god did that change everything. Now Infinite is completely different. Now it can stand alongside the first game as an equal, because the way that DLC tied everything together was astounding! Regardless of what potholes arrive from multiverse theory based narratives, this one makes it feel not only plausible but effective.
i think when Elizabeth dream with Sally crying on the heated vent , it means that in other dimensions Sally didnt found the exit and died there (not just once). Cuz its very estrange since there was 6 exists but only 1 wasnt locked and Sally got throught the right one. Other thing that made me think is when the guy is pointing the gun in Elizabeths head but when he triggers twice and no bullet come out and he says "what are the odds" , may be in other dimensions Elizabeth dies but in just in a few she doesnt and the story goes on.
They could have done something with Elanor. Bioshock 2 had amazing potential for Infinite's canon but of course everyone rags on Bioshock 2 so they just threw it away
The nosebleeds that Booker and Elizabeth experienced were not marking them for the slaughter, even though they did ultimately die. In Infinite, Rosalind Lutece explained in a voxophone that her brother, Robert, when brought through a tear into her universe, experienced confusion and hemorrhage, the latter of which manifested externally as a nosebleed. She further explained that these symptoms were a result of the mind's attempts to reconstruct memories in an alternate version of reality. Up until now, only Elizabeth and the Luteces (following Comstock's destruction of their device and their resultant scattering among the possibility spaces) were immune to this effect. However, upon returning to Rapture in order to save Sally after she had essentially died in that universe, Elizabeth was subjected to a phenomenon about which the Luteces had warned her called quantum superposition. She could not occupy the same space twice, and by attempting to do so, she forfeited her ability to see and manipulate tears between the universes, was stripped of the omniscience they provided her, and was rendered just as vulnerable to the effects of entering such tears as Robert Lutece (initially) and Booker had been.
Do you know what I think to make myself feel better? That there's one alternate universe, in which Booker wins the tug'o war with himself and lives happily with very much alive, non kidnapped, Anna, (or Elizabeth) that has a wonderful life wherever the fuck she chooses to go in her life. Because after all, there are always constants and variables. I hope I didn't spark a new wave of hate comments.
The end of Infinite made me really sad, and so did the end of BaS2, and thinking of it in this way, that somewhere, Booker and Anna are living a normal, happy life really lightens my day.
Yeah that is what the title means. There are Infinite universes and in at least one there has to be a happy ending. We are just unfortunate to be seeing the sad endings where everyone dies and there is a beheaded baby in the arms of a Middle aged man in an alley some where crying (And lets say it's raining cause what would be more depressing...damn variables)
Infinite made me feel. But Burial at sea just made me cry like a turd. Really great video, the game was that confusing (all the more fascinating to reveal its mysteries) but this cleared my mind. *edit* Anndd I'm tearing up again in the end. Gad deng it Irrational.
It's a great detail that the model for Elizabeth when you play as her, has chipped nail polish. Another detail is that when you are sitting in the boat with the Lutess twins, there are dead bodies in the water that resemble Elizabeth.
The real question is why did she even allow the big daddy to kill her in the first place. In the main game she was always good at using her powers to escape danger.
She didn't have her "plot armor" in that instance. The writing is great, but it's not air-tight. Perhaps she had one of those freeze moments as new doors and memories shuffled themselves in her head to accommodate the new possibilities created by the death of that Comstock. Then in that moment the Big Daddy smacked her in the wall.
So, there is still one Booker and Ana in one universe, this Ana, or Elizibeth we play as is the only Elizibeth left, so she kills the last comstock, loses her abilities, starts the entire bioshock story, regains her abilities, presses on forward, with imaginary Booker in her head, and regular Booker and Ana love peacfully in another dimension.
I guess if you think about it that way she does get her powers back in like a small loop, but this Elizabeth wouldn't be the same one that died and the new Elizabeth can choose not to try to kill every single Booker since she would already know what's going to happen because she can see every single opened door. As in, she will see the door when she sacrifice herself to save sally.
Natsu Hateg+ Elizabeth gains her powers because part of her exists within another reality. Not because Ana exists, otherwise Ana would be a pertinent character within the franchise. The Elizabeth/tear powers loop is closed with the death of the final Elizabeth. The question remains; If the Final Elizabeth died after Final Comstock, how is it possible that Elizabeth exists for Burial at Sea Part II?
Bryan Egelhoff yes and no basically to put it in the simplest way the story repeats itself over and over again it starts with Anna getting kidnapped by comstock and anything that happened in the past before that happens aswell, and ends with booker killing all the comstocks and bookers at the point of his babtism of all universes to get rid of them in the present and future and finally it ends with Elizabeth dying in the end of rapture leaving no other Elizabeth's in the present or future so they all exist in the past up until getting to those points the babtism and Elizabeth's death after those two points theres no booker anna Elizabeth nor comstock so from the moment where booker goes back to his babtism timeline and kills himself theres no more comstocks and bookers after that point with the exception of that very last comstock that goes to rapture and changes back to booker but he gets taken care of. and from the beginning of the first bioshock game and on all of the elizabeths are dead since the Elizabeth that died at the end of burial at sea was the very last one.
The way I understood it, this final Comstock is the result of his accidental beheading of Anna, this Elizabeth is the original from Infinite. That Booker, left with a decapitated baby Anna corpse is still alive, however that Comstock dies in Rapture, and Elizabeth dies there... twice... once with her powers, and the second time without them. The only one left is Booker... and the Lutece's if you care about them at all. His respective Comstock and Anna dead, the original Elizabeth was there when it happened. If that makes sense. Basically, trying not to repeat myself too much, the only one to survive in the end is the Booker from the lost head Anna reality.
You've got it, this is pretty much what I gathered from the story. Originally though I wasn't sure why Elizabeth decided to go back to Rapture, what she did to Sally was terrible, but it just wasn't clicking for me emotionally until I really started to think about it. At the end of Episode 1, Elizabeth becomes no better than Comstock, by killing him, she takes away Sally's foster parent, her only family left just as Comstock stole her from Booker. Then she leaves her in Rapture after she has become a Little Sister where she will be exploited and have no family. Once again this is exactly what Comstock did to her by locking her in a tower to groom her to fulfill his prophecy. The key line is "This world values children, not childhood" meaning Rapture will exploit Sally for it's own needs without giving her a childhood or a Father in the process. Comstock did the same by taking Elizabeth from her real father and locking her in a tower. THIS is why she goes back, she sees part of herself in Sally, both of them had their Fathers taken away and were exploited to fit the needs of others, and Elizabeth caused that to happen to Sally. The sacrifice she makes at the end wasn't just to save Sally, it was to give her what Elizabeth wanted but never had, Sally will have a father, she will have a childhood, she will grow up to be the woman she wants to be. It's too late for Elizabeth, she never had that chance but by going back, she gave Sally what she was never able to have.
I completed Infinite shortly after it came out but decided to revisit it all again. I never played the other bioshock games but found infinite to be amazing. This explanation of the series blew my mind more than the ending/occurrences of infinite did the first time around
Took 12 hours to beat the original. Took 15 hours over several weeks to debate it with my friends. BioShock Infinite, 10-12 hours to beat. More debating about the game ensues. Debates about it's gameplay in comparison to the original and 2 also came up. Burial At Sea Pt. 2 comes out. Took 4 hours to beat. Still discussing and debating to this day with no end in sight. Plays them again to pick up on more key details to start more discussions. BioShock is life. That's all there is to it.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! for making these Bioshock Explanation videos. Without your help i couldnt have fully comprehended a basic interpretation of the storyline for Infinite and Burial at Sea. The amount of time and effort that was put into these videos is evident in this achievement and I am excited to see future content from you :)
Well done, I like that you included the actual footage first and then explained the interpretation after. It helps to hear all the conversation, rather than a narrator explain over it.
There's actually that crack in the wall in the original Bioshock which she enters in BaS2, so basically you can imagine that her bones are still lying just a dozen meters from that place
@@PanRobak. so let me get this straight this is just another outcome and another timeline dude this is crazy I'm in shock i gotta sit down so the word infinite in bioshock litterlly meant infinite outcomes so 1 and 2 are one of em
Idk why everyone bitches about bioshock infinite. I've played all of them and infinite is easily my favorite. Especially burial at sea, since it literally ties all the games together.
I can see why people wouldn’t like it after the first 2 games, especially burial at sea. It’s basically a stealth game where you try to avoid everyone, nothing like the first 2 games
@@meris8486 2K literally announced like two days ago BioShock 4 is confirmed and happening. Cloud Chamber Games (a brand new 2K studio) is developing the game.
1:04:17 - this is the only thing I really don't understand: "We know that one booker exists, and one Anna exists, which means another Comstock must exist." Why? Only that ONE Booker exists WITH his Anna because he DIDN'T accept the baptism. So why must another Comstock exist? Could somebody clear that up?
+SonataFanatica I noticed that too! Furthermore, what I fail to understand is how he deduces that the Anna from the post-credits scene is the same Anna that gets accidentally killed by the "final" Comstock...
l think that part was wrong, from what l understand the post-credits scene from bioshock infinite happens *after* BAS 2 because in the original ending Elizabeth killing Comstock would create a paradox since she shouldn´t be able to exist and the way to explain it is (as proposed by the steam user Solarmech) that the universe of this game works like a PC where everytime an imposible operation is executed, the PC will reset to an earlier date in order to avoid the error. In the game, when comstock dies his timeline got reseted to the a point where he still is Booker, that would explain why Booker is in the post credits scene, but what about Elizabeth? well, she´s special an the PC couldn´t fix her because of her abilities to move through time and space, in order for her be reseted to a timeline where she was baby Ana she had to die without her powers and that´s how BAS 2 ends so l guess it´s safe to asume that Ana in the post credits scene lived a normal life witth that Booker... unless he messed up and lost her to gambling again xD. About the Ana that dies in BAS , l think that happened to explain why there is another Comstock, if Ana dies then there is no Elizabeth to kill Comstock right? l don´t remember seing a date of that event so it could´ve happened way before Elizabeth killed Comstock in the main game and that un-linked one Comstock from the infinite timeline which would also explain why Elizabeth went to Rapture, she wanted to kill every single Comstock in the multiverse and in one of the doors she saw this one living in Rapture after being teleported by the Luteces to hellp him forget (as explained in BAS 1 ending).
Ugh, I thought I was a super fan of the BioShock series but the fact that Elizabeth was indeed the one that basically made the imprinting of Big Daddy's on Little Sisters possible, went completely over my head! Elizabeth is the key to ALL events of the BioShock sisters. Crazaaaayyyy.
The thing about the whole Bioshock events is that the Luteces have already known about it. Even say "it is better not to do anything" Meaning she made things worse for the sake of her own wishes to get a good ending (for Bioshock 1). If she hadnt done so, Rapture wouldve just implode. Tenenbum wouldve escaped with the Lil Sisters in the end anyways.
Please answer my question so its nothing but a loop....its called infinite because those timelines will lead to different outcomes which spawned 1 and 2 omg it is infinite
@@BojackTrunks please answer my question so because of Elizabeth 1 and 2 happened well what about Columbia thats like a different outcome fiffere t timeline they said the songbird and big daddies were used same technology wow wow everything is connected even the multiple lighthouses it symbolizes the game and choices we make
@@sonny_3033 Elizabeth's actions basically made BioShock 1 happen. She had nothing to do with BioShock 2 happening, though in reality that's because Ken Levine won't publicly admit it but he hates BioShock 2. BioShock 1 helped make BioShock 2 happen.
Very good explanation but you missed out some fundamental concepts of the game. Firstly you mentioned that all versions of comstock are dead and the last one was found by the remaining elizabeth. The game showed only two versions of Comstock- version one gets anna successfully which lead to the events of Columbia, version two failed to get her through the time hole and went to rapture. It didnt mention the other versions of Comstock who didnt bother going back in time to get anna. So far Anna lost her head and pinky finger, she can loose other body parts too! So the possibility is still infinite and there are other Comstocks out there. As for Elizabeth, she didnt say that he was the remaining one. She simply looked at one of the infinite possibilities and picked one that pissed her off. Besides, you can only go through one door at a time. Secondly you said that she was the last Elizabeth. I disagree again because the game does not hint or indicate any point which is taken as the branching point. The Elizabeths that showed up in the baptism part are only the ones that are tied to that Booker and Comstock. The reason being, if Comstock can only exist after Booker gets baptised, then shouldnt all versions of Comstock automatically vanish after Booker drowns? The fact that we have another Comstock alive i episode 1 shows that Comstock is not just tied to the baptism. The Baptism ceremory is just of the infinite possible ways of converting Booker to Comstock. Simillarly, there are other versions of Elizabeth out there that are tied to those Comstock which are not potrayed in the game. That brings me to my third point where the game is indeed infinite and we just play through one of the possible options. This leaves open infinite possibilities to progress with the game, which is excellent as this game is dam good.
Agreed, the only Columbias that should remain are the ones that Anna is killed or the ones where comstock doesn't search for an heir. The drowning in infinite only ended the universe loop where comstock steals Anna successfully. And our Elizabeth is able to escape the fate of not existing because of her power. Now the dlc screws up because she shouldn't be able to return to the universe we were a part of in the base game. It shouldn't exist anymore.
That is unless universes are never truly destroyed and she traveled to it as the past universe which it was. The drowning just stopped future versions of those universes from spawning. Which would then make sense.
tom duke Comstock escaped to rapture. So he wast affected by the wipe out. Elizabeth even said he was the final comstock. So the Anna behead only happened in one universe.
@@OWmyDragonBallz doesn't make any sense to me, I don't think multiverse thoery works like that. He would have been affected BEFORE he went there, not after. Why would it make him unaffected anyway?
+Lyric Ltd It seems to me that there are an infinite number of Elizabeth's, which we only saw a few of at the end of bioshock infinite. The Elizabeth left at the end of infinite seems to have died just after the events of episode 1 and this is a different Elizabeth who decided to intervene in the events of this timeline. She gets the nose bleeds because she doesn't belong in this universe. That there was a Comstock who stole a baby from his younger self seems to be a popular thing in most timelines. Because Elizabeth doesn't have nosebleeds in infinite it means that she is from that same universe, just a little out of the regular timeline. I imagine that in some universes, there are Booker's that never had a kid and in others he had one and everything that happened in infinite never happened at all because he kept her. The one single Elizabeth at the end of infinite we see there was just the one from the timeline we were playing through, the others who were there could have simply been using tears on themselves to leave at the end. The idea that him dying at the baptism means there wasn't an Elizabeth doesn't seem to hold much weight, it would only mean that there would later be no Comstock. After the baptism he became Comstock and then becomes sterile by the machine so for there to be an Elizabeth in those realities she had to have been born before the baptism. It could be that the combination of the wars and him selling Anna could be what drives him to get baptized in the first place. Anyways the short of it is that since we didn't see an infinite number of Elizabeth's at the end of infinite that there are many more timelines with alternate outcomes left out there which we simply don't know about. Or I could be completely wrong ;)
+Herp Derp She probably survived the same way the Luteces did. If you remember, In the universe that Comstock had them killed, because of their ''powers'' they didn't really ''die'', but instead, they simply disappeared from that timeline. So Elizabeth managed to survive thanks to her tear powers, just like the Luteces, but she couldn't go back to that exact timeline, because there she is dead unless she gives up her powers.
+Matsakos but then, how could the Luteces have their powers in Infinite, when they got killed but are in the same timeline. Or did they? Actually did they? Could the Luteces not travel time but place? What if they kinda did the same thing Elitzabeth did in part 2? Just to put all on one card to changed the outcomes.
+Kamyuyon its because the luteces didn't change the past by their own after they got killed, they did change the past but with the help of booker so they didnt do it directly. while elizabeth change the past by her own act, which affects her ability. but that's just my theory
The Luteces, unless i am very much mistaken are two halves of the same man (or woman). they represent the Animas and the Id The conscious and unconscientious entities (soul and spirit), or minds, if one is psychologically, rather than spiritually, inclined. Also, it might be of interest to you to learn that the Adam (or Adahm, in the Hebrew) is the life essence of man given to the creature made of dust that Almighty Yah(weh) created before He infused this creature with a spark of His Divine being. The Adam (or Adahm)is also infused with the DNA of the woman, eve. Without the duality of the Divine spark AND the DNA of Eve, a creature is NOT a human being. THIS is why the Big Daddies will not, indeed, CAN NOT imprint on the biogenetically engineered Little Sisters without the infusion of Adam (Adahm). the Lifeforce of a human being is found in the blood, along with oxygen and DNA. This, btw, debunks the entire self-elevating notion of atheists that "God" does not exist, save only in the mind of a human being. A fact that leads me to strongly believe that Ken Levine, and at least some of his creative team are, in fact, VERY spiritually invested people. If not, indeed, Christians. Throughout the Bioshock series, they point out the sheer folly, and dangerous-ness, of men, who fancy themselves their own "god/goddess.
+Spider-Zero well if you listen to a thingy in the 2nd game it says all alphas do not imprint therethere souly for the fight there for he needs to pretect her from going into an acoma this is all explaned neer the end of bioshock 2 and at the begining whats her name calls you mr bubbles I think correct me if im wrong
I believe that Elizabeth broke the circle of Booker to Comstock transformations by killing booker in the Baptism. But was always meant to start a new cycle by tracking down the last comstock setting off the beginning of the OG bioshock. I got that from the heavy implication of the dialogue concerning about having a choice. Now if the OG bioshock has a tie with Infinite that sparks the events in Infinite, it would be a perfect circle. Nothing was broken as all was meant to be.
this has gotta be the best story telling in a video game I ever saw in my life, no game tells a story this good, the story is a total mindfuck from beggining to end but damn satisfying to the punch (which btw, I don't like alternate universe stories since they can go so many ways but this is an exception), it left me wanting more even though I still have a hard time understanding it, Half Life's story pales in comparison to this and I loved Half Life's story it was always my number one when it came to story, but now, screw that Bioshock is my number 1 now....and on a side note, Valve, if you are listening, FINISH THE GOD DAMN STORY ON HALF LIFE, WOULD YOU KINDLY?!?!!.......lets hope that works ;) This should have been a book, it's really good
MrViral20 No lol I know it's in the first game (I haven't played it though). I wasn't asking a question I was just stating the question that's in your comment and the game.
Rosalind lutece possibly talks about wanting to have a child, or at least sexual intercorse with her "brother" as she talks about "making new life"....hmm...food for thought
uh uh, "make" here is completely misinterpreted. she referred to her current state of being a life, "or lack there of," as she felt that she wasnt really living since she wasnt really alive. she was, and she wasnt. and since she'd rather not be dead, she'd rather be alive, and she wondered if fully choosing to make a new life for herself would be worth giving up omniscience and access to the secrets of the universe. she wondered if she should become "just like everybody else" as elizabeth became.
Great video! I was recently replaying Infinite and realized that I had never played the DLC. So I just got through the part 2 and, while the story and connections between the Bioshock games were incredible, I was not a fan of the gameplay of Part 2. I didn't feel like I was able to explore as much as I wanted to because of the constant stealth element. But thank you for putting it all together!
I'm just going to take my shot at this like everybody else here in the comments. At the end of Infinite, Elizabeth drowns Booker, killing all Comstocks. However, at the end, there is one Elizabeth remaining. From this, we know there has to be one Comstock that exists, as for every Elizabeth there is a Comstock. This is where BaS Episode 1 kicks in, the last remaining Elizabeth goes after the last remaining Comstock, as kills him. At this point, all Comstocks are dead and our final remaining Elizabeth with her powers will go back to Rapture to save Sally and give Atlas the activation phrase, but because she is returning to a dimension in which she died, she will lose her powers. When she dies at the end of BaS Episode 2, that is the end of any character with the name Elizabeth. There is still a Booker and Anna, but the Booker and Elizabeth we knew are dead. None of the Bookers accepted the baptism, thus no Comstock to steal Anna, thus no Elizabeth. DAMN YOU KEN LEVINE AND YOUR THOUGHT-PROVOKING GAMES.
wait, i am still confused. How does the final remaining Elizabeth go back to save sally? Which Elizabeth was it that died along with Comstock in Rapture in BaS?
This is the best crafted story of all time in a video game. Change my mind. It’s mind boggling to think that the developers created this masterpiece over the course of 10 years and managed to make such a story
Man, i cannot THANK YOU enough for this vid, man! Finaly i had understand how all this little storys work together and EXPLAIN what the meaning of "INFINITE" means! It was pretty hard to understand for me, but THANKS TO YOU, all had cleared up! I owe you 1 **respectful-bow** ^^ thx for all the efforts & hard work to share your knowledge with us, JV2017gameplay san!
The most/only confusing part for me is the fact that there still is another Comstock. How was he able to exist? Booker drowned at the babdism, so he could never become Comstock. Edit: I came across a new explanation. In the ending of Infinite, our Liz is suspisiously absent. When Booker came through the final door, Elizabeth did not go with him. She wanted an alternative solution, while the other Liz's could take care of Booker. Therefore she went to the past and tried to prevent Comstock from taking Anna. Obviously, it didn't go so well. Because time has no real meaning in the context of Infinite, a moment could last an eternity, which is why Elizabeth is able to anything in every dimension at any time. Elizabeth is not going to Rapture after she killed Booker, but BEFORE that. She went to the past while it still existed in order to kill Comstock while he still existed, hence while she was able to revisit Columbia when it still existed. THAT is how it makes sense now. However, there are still other holes left to be filled.
+nexusshark Thats just one Booker (and colmstock) in one universe. In another universe, booker didnt get drowned, and still existed, accepting the babdism, becoming comstock. Both booker and comstock exist, i mean existed, up until the time they were all killed in all universes.
***** Then that means Bookers sacrifice at the end was pointless if Comstock still exists. Also, if they stopped existing when killed in all universes, then there can't be a universe where Booker wasn't drowned.
+nexusshark that booker and comstock exist BECAUSE baby anna died. because she died, that comstock is separated from the other universes AND there is no anna to drown him. hence why the last anna made it her goal to kill him. make more sense?
Darrick Suen No, because the very fact that there still was a Comstock left to steal baby Anna in the first place is a major contradiction. Comstock was prevented from existing, so for Comstock to steal Anna, decapitating her and then ending up in Rapture would still require him to exist in the first place, which is impossible because Booker DIED at the baptism.
I understand you're thinking about it in the infinite universe. But again, my point is this: What if this Comstock is not tied to the infinite universe BECAUSE of the events that transpired; he was unsuccessful in stealing Anna, and thus separated his universe with the infinite universe. Try thinking outside of the infinite box? Like instead of all the universes boiling down to that one choice of whether or not booker took the baptism, what if this separate universe has a previous variable. Like this separate universe was dependent on something like whether George Washington became the first president or not. And this last comstock was a part of that universe.
I was very confused as to why Elizabeth would have used a Little Sister to summon a Big Daddy if the Big Daddys weren't imprinted to the Little Sisters at that point. However, I think I figured it out. It wasn't that there was a Little Sister in danger that brought down the wrath of a Big Daddy in the begining; it was the commotion of everything that was happening. A loud argument, some one screaming, tampering with the system and all out in the open where it could raise red flags for miles. You could see, when they were walking around earlier, that the Big Daddys were floating around outside and seeming to doing minor repairs, so such a scene would probably ping pretty loudly on their radars. BUT... I've never played any of the Bioshock games, so maybe I'm way the hell off and should just sit int the corner and color. Possible other explainations?
Actually, in Bioshock 1, an audio diary explains that Big Daddies DID protect Little Sisters, but only during fights, that’s why Sally yelled for Mr Bubbles even though Elizabeth made the bonds after
@@LoveThomas07 That's right, in some audio log, someone says that the big daddys do defend the little sister, but eventually abandon them, so they needed to find something to make them attatched
It is all a little bit too convenient. The Big Daddy just happening to be there to protect the Little Sister calling for it when they weren't even imprinted yet. Seems to me the only explanation is that the Big Daddy WAS imprinted, but it happened due to a separate similar lion-thorn-paw event down in Fontaine Futuristics that was isolated from the other Big Daddies / Little Sisters up in the main part of Rapture. I mean thinking about it sensibly, if all it takes is for a Little Sister to help a Big Daddy in trouble, it would probably happen on its own sooner or later anyway.
Wow. This was an amazing story and all, but there is one small plot whole. If Elizabeth imprinted the Big Daddies and the end of the game, after she visits Columbia, then the Big Daddy couldn't have killed Comstock and Elizabeth in episode one. Elizabeth hasn't imprinted the Big Daddies to Little Sisters yet, so why would the Big Daddy you fight in the game be attacking you? At this point, the Big Daddies couldn't care less about the Little Sisters, so why would the Big Daddy kill them for thinking they would harm Sally (A Little Sister) So, either there is a plot whole, or someone else found out how to imprint the Big Daddies to Little Sisters. Still, this was a great story.
I'm pretty sure that not all the big daddies reacted the same. with everything going on in rapture and the existence of little sisters in its prime, we know that suchong was trying to create the protectors for the gatherers(big daddies for little sisters) but there isn't just one type of big daddy, the little sisters 'fantasy land' from the conditioning didn't seem to be apparent in the game so we know all the variables aren't really working together at the point in time. therefore we can't assume that theyre all reacting the same way. and we don't really know how the mindset of the big daddies are this early on. big daddies are made from splicers so its safe to assume thats where the big daddies get their compassion for little sisters from, making it possible for some big daddies to have more empathy than others, just as humans.
I think he was pissed because Comstock shot at him and tried to kill him. Elizabeth says in episode 2 how Comstock tried to kill the big daddy but he didn't die. The big daddys get pissed if you shot at them and then kills you.
Thanks for that insightful, methodical, and well-thought incremental analysis. I just finally decided to go on with the DLCs a week ago , years after a finished the main Infinite game and about a DECADE after reaching the end of the Original Bioshock. Having made the effort of keeping in touch with at least vulgarized literature touching upon Einstein-Rosenthal bridge throughout my life, and namely documentation covering the alternative worlds theories, you actually did people like me quite the favor in actually bridging the gap (no pun intended) between Levine's work of fiction and the subtle crossroads that the whole franchise entails with morals, ethics and philosophy via his brilliant "romanticized" application of the most far-fetched edges of quantum physics. The two major stumbling blocks were the Daisy Fitzroy connection since the events surrounding her ultimate fate in the main game had stunningly slipped my mind every since beating it (shame on me, yeah I know). The second was the very ending of Infinite that I only partially got in peace with (Which Comstock/Booker exactly had died at this point etc...) Now the doubts are all cleared out. The loop is looped, and everything makes perfect sense, as we say in France.Many thanks indeed. The one addendum that I may come up with to the author would be to give credence to his theory of yet additional sets of alternative universes : everything, and I mean everything is figuratively meant to yell at us that Sally is actually the final iteration of none other than Elizabeth herself, with the Edith Piaf song she hums at the end just like she'd do in Paris, and the very fact that she has exactly Liz's characteristic blue yes, and on top of it can see through these eyes and memories so far into time from the beginning and all along major flashbacks (or rather should I say "flashfutures" :p). That final theory would present the double advantage of giving pause to the audience about the benefits of sacrifice (by contrast to simply being "fools" as the Lutèce sister implies while riding Liz at the Rapture fort) which is in my opinion constitutes the very core message of non-deterministic destinies of mankind and their free-will, AND provide justice to the very persona of Liz after all her hurdles and final "leap of faith"essentially devoid of her powers. It also further clarifies the never-explained fact that the supposedly "final" Liz just appears out of the blue next to the "last" dead one. And that theory links up with the sole possible disagreement I might have with the author, in that there aren't such limite, "finite" number of Elizabeth's and Comstock and that we cannot say for sure that the Baptism ending literally makes all but one disappear ,but rather "the one that matter for our study and story" (as it would in the same way as the "many" Liz+Dewit iterations crossing the Rapture anchors at the same time). There is indeed always a very thin dividing line between the "figurative shown visually" and the "concrete reality that actually takes place" all along Infinite's experience, and the voluntary missing links that exist during all such occurrences give room to the audience to choose one interpretation over the other, and that's the real beauty of it. I would LOVE to have your take on that sir, even though I'm pretty much digging up a very old threat in here I realize. Bottom line I take from Levine and his team would then rather become : "Realities never end, but our individual choices make them matter as the one that is ours, notwithstanding the many and their tragedies, mistakes, flaws, and so forth that may or may not otherwise take place". Breaking the cycle meant finally making a selfless thought from the gut of the human flesh and with no omniscient astrophysical knowledge.
I just finished it today in October 2023, I finished BioShock 1 and 2 when they were released but then I got in the service and life happened. Finally got a PS3 again and bought this game to finish the series.. its always been in the back of my mind, man what a freaking ride. I love this game. Cheers to everyone who played as a kid and adult!
What I don't understand is that if all the Comstocks are dead. Then even Elizabeth shouldn't exist anymore cause she never was kidnapped then and never lost her pinky either.
The last Liz in Bioshock survived to show us that there is one more Comstock left and I agree that's a little weird and it could be possible that there are others like her left in the endless universes. But within the understanding and purposes of the game we see she's the last one because there's one more Comstock. The game tells us these Constants: Comstock existing=Liz existing Booker existing=Anna existing And if there's a Liz there's a Comstock. That last Liz is an indication that there's a Comstock out there and that Comstock is the one killed at the end of Burial Episode 1.
That is a very good question. I believe it has to do with the fact that this Liz is cut off from her dimensional powers but that probably isn't the whole reason because that would mean that the Liz that was there when the last Comstock died should've disappeared immediately. Yea that's a huge hole in the story wow. I don't know man. Maybe there's another Comstock? And if there is then that would be contrary to the whole experience. I'll look into it and try to come up with something.
SlickaFlicka Yeah. I thought alot about it and the only explenation would be another Comstock, but then why didn't Elizabeth see him. But anyway. Maybe the developers didn't think it through 100%. I dunno
***** Yea it's weird. I don't think it would be an Anna because she wouldn't have the pinky cut off. Maybe something in the game happened and the constant with Comstock and Liz isn't going anymore. I don't know. It could be that our Liz is the only one who can have infinite knowledge of the universes and after knowing it all she can't be gone until she wants and the Comstock that died won't affect her. But what the game misses out on is that there are endless possibilities and the game's events are just a very very very tiny occurrence and maybe that's what the characters were talking about when they said you'll regret it/you're wasting yourself/the girl is worthless. Liz herself even says she's barely doing anything and she's trying to make a dent.
Im just confused at this part 27:26 here you said Suchong discovered that sea slugs have adam in them, but wasn't Brigid Tenenbam the one who discovered that as we learned from bioshock 1?
I want a bioshock game in a universe where Elizabeth regrets killing Booker and goes back to fix it and be friends and family and go to Paris and just travel the world!
Just played the collection and you happened to be the first one I stumbled upon for explanations, and man am I glad of it, you saved me hours. I had most of my questions answered here. But I do have a few: 1. Does anyone know why booker sold Anna for in the first place? Yes, a debt, but was it actual gambling debt? Or did his memories get filled in with gambling, but he actually sold her to get rid of his guilt (debt), therefore setting in an infinite loop? 2. You said here near the end that since after the credits of infinite one Anna and one Booker remain, there MUST be one comstock left. Why? I mean...clearly there must be since we just interacted with him in Butial at Sea...but I guess I'm just confused. 3. Also, what about Bioshock 2? Do we consider that sorta just...a standalone story?
@@_matthew_ryan_751 I played Bioshock Infinite back in 2014 and it's just as good now as it was way back then. I play it through and through still to this day.
I'm sorry, how can Bioshock 2 make sense if Elizabeth is the one who ended up pairing the big daddies with the little sisters? Because in Bioshock 2 you play as the first Big Daddy to successfully bond with a little sister.
This is amazing. Well done, you have seriously done the gaming community a favour with all your explanations for the bioshock series. Thankyou, from all of us. This game revolutionised the story telling of gaming. It's sad to see it end and not continue however this ending could not have be more extraordinary.
James Dooley What about the one that was left with only the body of Anna? He was trying to get back Anna from Comstock, but right when the tear closed, her head was cut off and he was only left with her body. What happened to him? Cause I thought Comstock (the one that was left with Anna's head) was the one who adopted Sally.
OfficialDaHotShot guess that the booker you are talking about may get baptised for his guilt of trying to sell anna and will be reborn again as comstock or remain booker and carry on in his life. Wouldnt that set of a whole new alternate universe set with bookers and comstocks.
I'm so glad we live in a universe where Ken Levine decided to make the BioShock series :)
Yes but sadly is it one in wich he deside dissmiss Irational games :-( :-)
Taylul You spelled CD Projekt Red wrong :(
Maybe that's a constant and the platform or success is the variable
So true
@@horsemann7354 I come from the future and cdpr is not doing to hot
you know a game is confusing when the explanation to the ending is over an hour long
It's and hour long explanation to a DLC not the ending.
+Barackolli Obama You got that right my friend haha
+Barackolli Obama If you noticed he's taking over an hour to explain THE ENTIRE DLC, not just the ending. Try to keep it accurate. Funny you're getting comments like "you got that right my friend" when you didn't get that right, lmao...
Deathbrewer I was just being sarcastic mate.. I wasn't really meaning it literally
I didnt really think it mattered if it was just the dlc considering how it basically tied the whole series together
The voice acting during the lobotomy scene is amazing especially when Atlas gets angry. You can hear him slipping up in his voice and Frank Fontaine spills out. That's incredible
The voice acting in this game is fucking amazing. I genuinely wanted to rip and tear anyone who hurt elizabeth and it wasn't easy hearing her suffering when the VA made it seem so realistic.
I can't even watch the lobotomy scene when I play this DLC. The horror of such a thing is executed with perfect precision to the extent that you can imagine how painful it would be. Also shows you how brutal Atlas/Fontaine really is: he's a psychopath that's incapable of empathy or attachment and will do anything to achieve his goals. In the end, Andrew Ryan achieved his goal in attracting a person who represents pure Machiavellian manner, avarice, and pragmatics to work the free market. Scary stuff.
@@thedoomslayer5863 indeed. I remember in infinite when i entered comstock's house and started hearing her screaming that shit was hard
Dude,what you did is something to be recognized...that is the most rational analysis on youtube about the chain of events regarding Bioshock Infinite and its DLCs Burial at the sea I~II. It is amazing how you've put it all together. To a greater extent, what I take from all of this is a message behind the story, a big lesson for everyone to learn, and surely that's what it makes a game greater than just the fun of playing - something practical, which we can apply on our lives: Let us not become exactly the same thing as the ones we criticize for wrongdoing, because if we do, we'll set an infinite cycle of perpetuating errors, to an extant it will shape our and other's realities exactly into what we wouldn't desire. Let us not fall into the sinister trap of being a monster to fight up monsters, or we will generate a monstruous reality, where is hard to tell right from wrong (as manicheistic as it may seem).
I want to thank you for helping me achieve this meta-message behind it all.
+JV2017gameplay I've played the bioshock games but why does fontaine refer to him as a freak of nature and why did jack hijack his own plane
+JV2017gameplay I think you've overlooked the fact that the REAL badguy(girl) in the game was not Comstock, but Rosalind Lutece. She was the one who helped Comstock create his Aryan Wonderland. She was the one who trapped Liz in the tower with her technology. She was the one without who Comstock could have never stolen Booker's child. The whole game was Booker being manipulated, abused, and brutalized, just so Rosalind could make sweet-sweet incestual love with herself, in a form of her "brother". Liz should not have drowned Booker at the end of Infinite, she should have beaten Rosalind's ugly skull in with a rusty tire iron, before Comstock approached her with a plan to build Columbia.
+Kieran Grundfast Fontaine refers to Jack as "freak of nature" because he is genetically altered with growth stimulating substances because at the events of bioshock 1 he is basically 2 Years old.
Jack hijacks his own plane as this is what was programmed into him( by mental conditioning) as first task after his activation: to crash the plane exactly at the location of Raptures Lighthouse.
+allnotathome you're right & mistaken at the same time, the Luteces's only did what they did to get back on Comstock for being murdered by him, but then they found themselves in a time loop, one which they could have gotten out of but being the scientists that they are they decided instead to take it as an opportunity to perform a social experiment, they start tracking Comstock, DeWitt & Elizabeth's choices through all the worlds to see if one of them will do something different, which none of them do, they all keep repeating the same choices, until one of the Elizabeth's finds a way to close the loop by preventing Anna from being kidnapped and sending her to trap the DeWitt that would become Comstock in a cage universe and killing him there before the baptism loop restarts......and they weren't having sex
+Zuranthus lol All of that is true except the last part. Haha, jk, jk.
"I'm not even here, I'm a projection of your own-"
"Could you humor me, then?.. Please.."
_"I think, Booker.. would miss you."_
When did he say this?
that bitch An elevator in Columbia
samara he’s doesn’t. That just is how the games go chronologically
Ryan Clair I’m pretty sure he does
Bryan Foster tbh I commented at 30 minutes into the vid but my point was that he doesn’t have to mention it in the video for someone to know that fact since it’s pretty obvious
The nose bleed doesn’t have to do with death, it has to do with being in a reality that’s not your own.
Robert Lutece experiences similar symptoms when he first arrived in Colombia
But then why didn't Elizabeth expirience that when they went to other realities on Infinite. But at the same time maybe it could be both. Not being in your reality and that the you of that reality is dead.
So the vision we see of Elizabeth on the plane, was that only one possibility that could've happened as part of the infinite possibilities?
The nose bleed is connected to an alternate reality version of yourself dying.
The real explanation is that the nosebleeds occur when thinking about things they can’t understand. It is all so much they literally are harmed physically. Booker experienced this in both the normal game and dlc when he thinks about his origins. They can’t think about other time lines, it’s just too much. Elizabeth WAS special, so it didn’t affect her, but in this she is just normal so it does.
@@theminecraftiers007 it is because she already posses omniscience it is only limited and controlled by Comstock through the siphon in her tower. And another reason why she wasn't affected by it because she she gained her powers by coexisting in multiple realities at the same time anna in Comstock's reality and the pinky in booker's reality. Also she was made whole again in the 2nd part of the dlc regained her pinky by coming to rapture again where another version of her is already dead that is why she lost her omniscience.
It just occurred to me that rapture was taken back by one man in a wool sweater
correction a soy boy in a wool sweater
Must have been a white dyed golden fleece
😂😂😂😂😂
Also to be added, a very ugly wool sweater
"Taken back" you say, except he buggers off after decapitating the hierarchy twice... and a loony psychiatrist collectivist with delusions of an Adam-based hive mind takes over...
You missed out a nice little throwback they added where one of the Little Sisters which first imprinted on the Big Daddy that killed Suchong is called "Masha".
This was the abducted girl in the audio logs in the original Bioshock, with the mum mourning about losing her and then finding her as a Little Sister.
So depressing to listen to those audio logs, but this was a nice touch to add a bit of consolation in knowing that while Masha may have been kidnapped and turned into a Little Sister, she played a pivotal part in Rapture and contributed to the death of Suchong.
Booker: You know Atlas is going to...
Elizabeth: Yes. And I'm ready.
Booker: Are you sure?
Elizabeth: Yes.
This is the exact same conversation Booker and Elizabeth had before Booker goes into the door and let other Elizabeth drown himself to repay his debt. It is so moving to see that Booker passed his attitude toward redemption to Elizabeth. They both decided to sacrifice theirselves for others, even those that they barely know. I believe that it is because of Booker Elizabeth chose to sacrifice herself for Sally, just like Booker did for her.
So in a way Bioshock 1 is the final game.
Mind blown! it's like asking which one came first, the chicken or the egg xD
Basically we find out that Bioshock Infinite was a pre sequel for Bioshock 1 and 2 all this time hence why it was never called Bioshock 3 ! Mind Blowing stuff
It also bring so much more meaning into BioShock 1.
Makes you really think twice about the "ending" of Bioshock 1. As you now know a more or less omniscient person gave her life to just so YOU can save those poor girls turned into little sisters and end all tragedy going on in Rapture. And as the Bioshock ending shows, give the girls a chance, to learn, to love and life...
its so fukn great that you have cry.
xXDeathMetalThrasherXx I played Infinite first, then 1, then 2, so I went down the right path I guess. Also a quick little side note, ELIZABETH IS THE WHOLE REASON THE FIRST BISHOCK EXISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE! MY MIND HAS BEEN BLOWN TO SMITHERINES!!!
Enternalking stop it, get some help. Like it or not, just because a few butthurt fanboys didn't like bioshock 2 doesn't mean it's not cannon
I'd like to clear up a common misconception. The nosebleeds aren't caused by, or symbolic of death in another universe, although it is used as a tool for foreshadowing in this episode. The nosebleeds are caused when a false memory that the mind made up (remember the quote) contradicts the actual memory that they have forgotten when entering another universe. Elizabeth's nose bleeds because she sees herself dead, but she knows she's alive. She has two memories, each telling her that the other one is false. Her brain can't comprehend that, so her nose bleeds. Think of it as her brain short-circuiting, but instead of sparks there's blood. That's also what happened to Booker in Infinite, and Comstock in Episode 1.
Idk why anyone thought the nosebleeds were because of that? Does he mention it in the video. I haven't watched it and now I kinda don't want to if he's gonna mess something up as simple as that.
This whole game is a masterpiece. i feel like crying.
Im so upset that Elizabeth died, I love everything about her :'(
Noticed how Atlas killed Elizabeth with Jack's wrench. Nice touch.
Finn Phillosa That cant be the same exact one jack picks up at the start right?... I mean... can it?
*plays unsolved mysteries theme*
Christian Guerrero In my opinion not, in bioshock games you can find many other red wrenches.
Would that not make it Atlas' wrench then?
And one tahat Elizabeth us to knock out Booker on First Lady, when she fin out that they going to New York and not Paris
And Now I killed Atlas with my wench. Is this a fair trade or not?
A friend of mine pointed out that Bioshock starts with a phrase and Infinite opens with a choice, so when Andrew Ryan says "a man chooses, a slave obeys" he may be refering to Booker as a man and Jack as a slave
Reuben Holland hj
....this confuses this more why did you say my brain cant handle this
I don’t think they had that much foresight. Probably just coincidence it worked out that way or they wrote bookers character based on that quote after the fact. Still incredible nonetheless
Well Bioshock ended with choices and Infinite ended with a phrase soooo...
Jack was only a slave if he didn’t make his own choices. And Jack did choose. It’s all about choosing either too live the life others want you too, or too make life your own. Jack could choose too be good or evil. Too use the little sisters or to save them.
The nosebleeds don't foreshadow the deaths - they are caused by the characters travelling through the tears and having different memories from the other version of themselves in that universe
At 27:49 when Elizabeth is going down the elevator and she sees Booker and herself, if you go back and play that part in Bioshock Infinite, Elizabeth will be startled and turn around, asking Booker, "what was that?" Details, details, details. Ken Levine for President!
what? thats just not true
alphaheiti Um, is so.
Omni Codex She says "What was that" because of the conversation Booker had with Daisy. Not because she turned around and Saw herself, if that happened then Elizabeth wouldn't mention how she didn't remember seeing herself at that part.
***** She didn't see herself, she saw/heard the elevator out of the corner of her eye.
Omni Codex Can't confirm that, but I can't confirm my theory either. I'm not sure, going to have to go back and play that part again to find out for sure.
moral of the game: Don't gamble
ELIZABETH IS THE WHOLE REASON THE ORIGINAL BIOSHOCK EXISTS! MIND BLOWN
Indeed. Jack Ryan killing Fontaine was Elizabeth’s Revenge.
Uhm but no
@@short4071 what makes it a no?
@@jazzycantswim9808 I think because Jack is Andrew Ryan’s illegitimate son and he said fucking Jack Ryan 😭
@@Callsign_KishinJack's setting free the Little Sisters, Elizabeth's redemption.
I just noticed that one of the little sisters helping the big daddy is named Masha. In the first game there is an audiolog of a mother that lost her little girl only to find out she became a little sister. The name of her daughter was Masha.
yooo , i just remembered the exact audio diary you told , the mother and father were lying dead in the bed (from poision i guess)
but that attention to detail , dayummmm
On thing you may have overlooked at 34:15 she mentions that she sold Sally, Elizabeth is the one who took Sally and sold her just so Commstock/Booker could relive his guilt of killing Anna and eventually lead him to his death to achieve her vengeance. Elizabeth deliberately set it all into motion that’s why the Lutece’s were comparing her to Booker sayin the apple did not fall far from the tree. Hence why Elizabeth feels so guilty for having left there because if what happened to Sally would have happened without Elizabeth’s interference why would she go out of her way to do right in this one instance. It like when Andrew Ryan says it’s like Isaac Newton running into a burning building to save his cat only for him to set the house on fire and in the case of Bioshock Elizabeth.
Booker sells Anna to wipe away his debt. Then gets a chance of redemption to save her.
Elizabeth steals and sells Sally to allow Commstock to reformulate his guilt about Anna and leads him to be killed by the big daddy. Then Elizabeth goes back to save Sally after having used her to exact her revenge.
Holy shit, I also missed that! This puts things in such a better perspective on the parallels and layer of the story. I know Im years lat in playing this franchise, but I have fallen in love with this franchise. I hope BioShock 4, if it ever comes out, has writing on this or a better lvl.
So basically, the last Booker and Anna exist but the last Comstock and Elizabeth are dead.
ultragarrison yes and no basically to put it in the simplest way the story repeats itself over and over again it starts with Anna getting kidnapped by comstock and ends with booker killing all the comstocks and bookers at the point of his babtism of all universes to get rid of them in the present and future and finally it ends with Elizabeth dying in the end of rapture leaving no other Elizabeth's in the present or future so they all exist in the past up until getting to those points the babtism and Elizabeth's death after those two points theres no booker anna Elizabeth nor comstock so from the moment where booker goes back to his babtism timeline and kills himself theres no more comstocks and bookers after that point with the exception of that very last comstock that goes to rapture and changes back to booker but he gets taken care of. and from the beginning of the first bioshock game and on all of the elizabeths are dead since the Elizabeth that died at the end of burial at sea was the very last one.
eskoturn5000 so.... Booker never gets to be with anna, she will always get taken
.. that sucks
marco greene that one is debatable it wasn't really explained correctly it's either anna gets taken in all universes or she does get taken in all universes except one universe so there might be one anna and one booker that take a different rout from the game because then again that was the whole point of the luteces getting booker to Colombia to reunite him with anna. we'll probably never know lol
marco greene right good point well that confirms it none of them exist in the bioshock universe anymore lol only in the past
marco greene Yea pretty sure that booker just committed suicide or drank himself to death so still they all died
My personal belief (and therefore not anything to rely on) is as follows:
Just as the "Booker" you play in Bioshock Infinite is killed, the "Elizabeth" you worked with in Bioshock Infinite is killed at the end of this story... and therefore, it is the last of the Comstocks and Elizabeths...
But I think the last scene of the original Bioshock Infinite is a timeline where Booker doesn't take the Baptism (and therefore does not become Comstock) and does not sell his daughter as there is no Comstock to sell her to. Therefore, Anna grows up as Booker's daughter and therefore having never been given to Comstock, she never becomes Elizabeth. The mysterious end scene of Bioshock Infinite is never shown as we will never know what that timeline will be... aside from the fact that there will never be a Comstock or Elizabeth in it. Only a Booker and an Anna.
UncleMilo All of that is fine, in ONE universe. They should have stuck with a single timeline.
Randy Parsons You know... I wonder if there is just the ONE universe... and that we're not walking into alternate universes as we normally think of them, but just into the essence of possibility. When Booker goes through the tear, he suddenly has memories of helping Slade form the revolution... while also remembering his timeline before the tear. The people walking around remembering when they were dead.
In either case, the story relies on alternate timelines to even make sense.
UncleMilo
Well single timeline has more of a meaningful story. Bascially, our playthrough as Booker is all screwed to hell and back, and no one, except Eliz is good, they are all pretty much bad people. Solution? Get the hell out that of that universe. End of game. They try to make other universes very similar, but that makes no sense really. With one timeline it could be a struggle to get back to Dewitt when he was young, and change his path just slightly, so he doesn't turn into a psychopath. Back to the Future does it right, just subtle changes is all it takes. This game ends with your death and all you did being meaningless. The worker rebellion was cool. That's really all the plot you need, don't even need time travel.
Randy Parsons Are you saying remove multiverse? When I first read that, I saw all the flaws in it if the multiverse theory was applied. Then I realized that you were talking about one timeline.
VentusWingKnight
Yes, one timeline. Doing that might make Eliz's tears not work into the story. Doesn't matter any more its just a game. So many problem with time travel. For example, why not just take Booker as a baby and move him to different parents?
Actually, Elizabeth does know that Atlas and Fontaine are one and the same... if you did the optional quest.
Sadly it doesn't change the out one at all
@@thedoomslayer5863 why would the outcome change though? She had to die, she knew it way before she confronted him.
Basically it's
Part 1: Bioshock Infinite
Part 2: Bioshock 1
Part 3: Bioshock 2
Hmmmm bioshock 2 never heard of it
That's nice. I can now watch those since I have not seen them. I am like who is the man in the sweater?
I hope bioshock four continues, both Jack’s and Eleanor’s storylines with Sigma and Tenembaum too
Edit: and oh the Lutece’s too they’re just too good
Infinite and b1 are connected
And bioshock 2 is finding nemo type story and i like them all
@@bootmanbill2362 It's only the best one in the series and the story isn't so f*cked up as Infinite.
Guys, wanna see something fun?
At 11:21 and onwards, keep looking at the water. You will constantly see floating corpses of Elizabeth
Just to put it out there
+Jackalololope World Star Are those Elizabeths or just the victims of the airplane crash?
god no
Elizabeths that are the victim of the airplane crash.
Hoolllyyy crap... Those are all the Elizabeths that are "dead," because of her choice to return to the world.... very nice catch. This game is so freaking deep.
holy shit, that sent me chills
I used the Wrench exclusively to beat the shit out of Fontaine in Bioshock. Karma?
Or just the fact that the Wrench was the best weapon in the game, courtesy of all the lovely melee upgrades.
@@SotiCoto it’s truly one of those “game giving you the best weapon immediately” moments. 😂
@@Callsign_Kishin : All the Bioshock games heavily favour melee focus, but the first one gives you the best combo right from the start: Shock + Wrench. It is ridiculous how effective it gets if you focus entirely on wrench / shock upgrades.
@@SotiCoto bruh a point blank shot from y fully upgraded shotgun has less damage and overall DPS than my wrench with both jockey and speed tonics it does some massive damage
@@noobguy9973: Yes. I know. I basically said that.
Its near the end of summer 2020 and I am just now fully discovering what a masterpiece and a mind fuck this franchise truly was/ is. Thank you so much for taking the time to craft this 2 part series. I enjoyed every minute of the ride!
January 2021 for me
In remastered maybe
Don't feel bad I only got into bioshock as well this year. I finally understand why everyone praised this game so highly now. Truly shows how games can be a work of art
August 2021...I will start bioshock 1 & 2 soon
i didnt like the loopty loop shit, when i play a game and it ends in a loophole of a infinite cycle that doesnt really end, i dont feel acomplished at all, i guess the bioshock 1 ending is the true true true ending to the series, but if so, there is a lot of time and dimension fuckery
At around 43:58 for a few seconds Atlas/Fontaine gets so angry during the torture scene he reveals his true identity with a strong American accent
i searched the comments if anyone else realized that, thank god im not the only one
I find the little sisters-big daddy relationship kinda sweet I almost cried.
Thanks for the info. Definitely gonna check it out. It's a shame they're not making more of these anymore.
Mr bubbles!
Broke my immersion tbh. This is pre big daddies. Idk why the big daddy isnt an alpha series but already the ones we see in Bioshock 1.
Its VERY adorable lol
@@jordanray1537 I loved The second game. Carrying little sisters were extremely fun.
"B-booker!?.. Booker!!?.. No, please just don't leave me here!.. BOOKER!!!"
uhh, i was really upset knowing there was no Booker left and that Booker was just Anna's imagination :( They can never be together.
@@phucthiennguyen3299 the booker that got annas head cut off might still live so they could have been together again if elizabeth didnt die in rapture and got the luteces to get her to him :(
@@Fabian6980 that Booker died at Baptism. Remember, Booker going to Baptism is the constant. Every Booker goes there. That Booker later either became Comstock or stayed Booker and then got sent to another timeline to "save" Elizabeth to pay off his debt.
I felt that scene so much. The grief and despair and confusion felt by Elizabeth when Booker dissappeared. A tragic sight to see
@@noman1122 No he's not. The Booker we play in the infinite died by drowning. The Booker that got Anna's killed is still alive like any depressed Booker from another universe (But i guess he's the most depressed Booker)
*whew* Man, what a ride that was. Bioshock has always been one of my favourite games ever, but I wasn't sure how to feel about Infinite. When i first played it, I loved it. I thought is was just as good as the first game. But as time went on, I began to feel a little less amazed by it's complexity, the story didn't seem to stick with me as much as game 1 did.
Then...I played Burial at Sea...and my god did that change everything. Now Infinite is completely different. Now it can stand alongside the first game as an equal, because the way that DLC tied everything together was astounding! Regardless of what potholes arrive from multiverse theory based narratives, this one makes it feel not only plausible but effective.
i think when Elizabeth dream with Sally crying on the heated vent , it means that in other dimensions Sally didnt found the exit and died there (not just once).
Cuz its very estrange since there was 6 exists but only 1 wasnt locked and Sally got throught the right one.
Other thing that made me think is when the guy is pointing the gun in Elizabeths head but when he triggers twice and no bullet come out and he says "what are the odds" , may be in other dimensions Elizabeth dies but in just in a few she doesnt and the story goes on.
i like to think he pulled the trigger 6 or 7 times
I like how bioshock 2 means nothing in the 1st and infinite
Probably cuz it takes place long after 1, while Infinite/Burial At Sea take place before.
They could have done something with Elanor. Bioshock 2 had amazing potential for Infinite's canon but of course everyone rags on Bioshock 2 so they just threw it away
Well, you do see Delta for a moment, right at 57:44 in the video.
That's not Delta, that's just a standard Rosie. Delta is his own model.
2 is acceptable. it didn't got in the way. better than konamis metal gear 2, they didnt ask kojima and kojima disregarded konamis meyal gear.
The nosebleeds that Booker and Elizabeth experienced were not marking them for the slaughter, even though they did ultimately die. In Infinite, Rosalind Lutece explained in a voxophone that her brother, Robert, when brought through a tear into her universe, experienced confusion and hemorrhage, the latter of which manifested externally as a nosebleed. She further explained that these symptoms were a result of the mind's attempts to reconstruct memories in an alternate version of reality. Up until now, only Elizabeth and the Luteces (following Comstock's destruction of their device and their resultant scattering among the possibility spaces) were immune to this effect. However, upon returning to Rapture in order to save Sally after she had essentially died in that universe, Elizabeth was subjected to a phenomenon about which the Luteces had warned her called quantum superposition. She could not occupy the same space twice, and by attempting to do so, she forfeited her ability to see and manipulate tears between the universes, was stripped of the omniscience they provided her, and was rendered just as vulnerable to the effects of entering such tears as Robert Lutece (initially) and Booker had been.
Like the same in Butterfly Effect when he nose bleeds.
59:36 Explanation of the episode
1:02:37 Full chronological explanation of Infinite and Burial at sea
Do you know what I think to make myself feel better? That there's one alternate universe, in which Booker wins the tug'o war with himself and lives happily with very much alive, non kidnapped, Anna, (or Elizabeth) that has a wonderful life wherever the fuck she chooses to go in her life. Because after all, there are always constants and variables.
I hope I didn't spark a new wave of hate comments.
I agree and it's completely possible, as you say there's always constants and variables :D
The end of Infinite made me really sad, and so did the end of BaS2, and thinking of it in this way, that somewhere, Booker and Anna are living a normal, happy life really lightens my day.
Yeah that is what the title means. There are Infinite universes and in at least one there has to be a happy ending. We are just unfortunate to be seeing the sad endings where everyone dies and there is a beheaded baby in the arms of a Middle aged man in an alley some where crying (And lets say it's raining cause what would be more depressing...damn variables)
Alvas Cynn I thought the name was because you're stuck in an Infinite loop
Alex Duper I guess it's really up to interpretations then. Cause that could also by why it's named infinite.
This analysis just makes me appreciate the bioshock franchise even more, fantastic games. Thanks a lot JV2017, much appreciated.
The lobotomy part had me holding my eye out of fear.
Me too
@@wolfthemagnificent2966 did you notice the weird medical chart billboard in Paris of the diagram of a lobotomy?
@@Callsign_Kishin YO i saw that and was like "wtf is that doing in a peaceful place" It was SO out of place
The foreshadowing is unbelieveable
Infinite made me feel. But Burial at sea just made me cry like a turd. Really great video, the game was that confusing (all the more fascinating to reveal its mysteries) but this cleared my mind.
*edit* Anndd I'm tearing up again in the end. Gad deng it Irrational.
+Wolfie Bro If a game makes me emotional, I consider it a good game.
It's a great detail that the model for Elizabeth when you play as her, has chipped nail polish.
Another detail is that when you are sitting in the boat with the Lutess twins, there are dead bodies in the water that resemble Elizabeth.
The real question is why did she even allow the big daddy to kill her in the first place. In the main game she was always good at using her powers to escape danger.
She didn't have her "plot armor" in that instance. The writing is great, but it's not air-tight.
Perhaps she had one of those freeze moments as new doors and memories shuffled themselves in her head to accommodate the new possibilities created by the death of that Comstock. Then in that moment the Big Daddy smacked her in the wall.
Because "died, dies, will die".
So she will become a martyr and pay the debt with her blood.
So, there is still one Booker and Ana in one universe, this Ana, or Elizibeth we play as is the only Elizibeth left, so she kills the last comstock, loses her abilities, starts the entire bioshock story, regains her abilities, presses on forward, with imaginary Booker in her head, and regular Booker and Ana love peacfully in another dimension.
I guess if you think about it that way she does get her powers back in like a small loop, but this Elizabeth wouldn't be the same one that died and the new Elizabeth can choose not to try to kill every single Booker since she would already know what's going to happen because she can see every single opened door. As in, she will see the door when she sacrifice herself to save sally.
Natsu Hateg+ Elizabeth gains her powers because part of her exists within another reality. Not because Ana exists, otherwise Ana would be a pertinent character within the franchise. The Elizabeth/tear powers loop is closed with the death of the final Elizabeth. The question remains; If the Final Elizabeth died after Final Comstock, how is it possible that Elizabeth exists for Burial at Sea Part II?
Bryan Egelhoff yes and no basically to put it in the simplest way the story repeats itself over and over again it starts with Anna getting kidnapped by comstock and anything that happened in the past before that happens aswell, and ends with booker killing all the comstocks and bookers at the point of his babtism of all universes to get rid of them in the present and future and finally it ends with Elizabeth dying in the end of rapture leaving no other Elizabeth's in the present or future so they all exist in the past up until getting to those points the babtism and Elizabeth's death after those two points theres no booker anna Elizabeth nor comstock so from the moment where booker goes back to his babtism timeline and kills himself theres no more comstocks and bookers after that point with the exception of that very last comstock that goes to rapture and changes back to booker but he gets taken care of. and from the beginning of the first bioshock game and on all of the elizabeths are dead since the Elizabeth that died at the end of burial at sea was the very last one.
So does that mean in another dimension before the baptism there is an Anna and Booker living peacefully?
The way I understood it, this final Comstock is the result of his accidental beheading of Anna, this Elizabeth is the original from Infinite. That Booker, left with a decapitated baby Anna corpse is still alive, however that Comstock dies in Rapture, and Elizabeth dies there... twice... once with her powers, and the second time without them. The only one left is Booker... and the Lutece's if you care about them at all. His respective Comstock and Anna dead, the original Elizabeth was there when it happened. If that makes sense. Basically, trying not to repeat myself too much, the only one to survive in the end is the Booker from the lost head Anna reality.
You've got it, this is pretty much what I gathered from the story. Originally though I wasn't sure why Elizabeth decided to go back to Rapture, what she did to Sally was terrible, but it just wasn't clicking for me emotionally until I really started to think about it.
At the end of Episode 1, Elizabeth becomes no better than Comstock, by killing him, she takes away Sally's foster parent, her only family left just as Comstock stole her from Booker. Then she leaves her in Rapture after she has become a Little Sister where she will be exploited and have no family. Once again this is exactly what Comstock did to her by locking her in a tower to groom her to fulfill his prophecy.
The key line is "This world values children, not childhood" meaning Rapture will exploit Sally for it's own needs without giving her a childhood or a Father in the process. Comstock did the same by taking Elizabeth from her real father and locking her in a tower.
THIS is why she goes back, she sees part of herself in Sally, both of them had their Fathers taken away and were exploited to fit the needs of others, and Elizabeth caused that to happen to Sally.
The sacrifice she makes at the end wasn't just to save Sally, it was to give her what Elizabeth wanted but never had, Sally will have a father, she will have a childhood, she will grow up to be the woman she wants to be. It's too late for Elizabeth, she never had that chance but by going back, she gave Sally what she was never able to have.
Ooof that last scene of Sally singing to Elizabeth hit me like a damn freight train.
I completed Infinite shortly after it came out but decided to revisit it all again. I never played the other bioshock games but found infinite to be amazing. This explanation of the series blew my mind more than the ending/occurrences of infinite did the first time around
+WillemDaSlow I just got so engrossed in this that I left my food in the oven for 30mins too long. Damn
You owe it to yourself to play the original bioshock
Took 12 hours to beat the original. Took 15 hours over several weeks to debate it with my friends. BioShock Infinite, 10-12 hours to beat. More debating about the game ensues. Debates about it's gameplay in comparison to the original and 2 also came up. Burial At Sea Pt. 2 comes out. Took 4 hours to beat. Still discussing and debating to this day with no end in sight. Plays them again to pick up on more key details to start more discussions. BioShock is life. That's all there is to it.
30:30 I see you trying to perfectly line up the reticle with the crack in the elevator lmao. I definitely did the same loool
That’s a projector... not an elevator
@@adamc117prolly meant 32:40
The music at the end of this DLC made me so sad and nostalgic about Bioshock 1 that I started tearing up.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! for making these Bioshock Explanation videos. Without your help i couldnt have fully comprehended a basic interpretation of the storyline for Infinite and Burial at Sea. The amount of time and effort that was put into these videos is evident in this achievement and I am excited to see future content from you :)
Well done, I like that you included the actual footage first and then explained the interpretation after. It helps to hear all the conversation, rather than a narrator explain over it.
This is sad Father and Daughter ended up doing the same thing , but it had to be done so that the original bioshock could happen Brilliant.
Wouldn't it be awesome if you could find Elizabeth's bones in bioshock 1 or 2...
@Cult Mechanicus IF, is the main part
GV maybe it’s in remastered edition if that came out later. Not sure because I haven’t played it yet
There's actually that crack in the wall in the original Bioshock which she enters in BaS2, so basically you can imagine that her bones are still lying just a dozen meters from that place
@@PanRobak. so let me get this straight this is just another outcome and another timeline dude this is crazy I'm in shock i gotta sit down so the word infinite in bioshock litterlly meant infinite outcomes so 1 and 2 are one of em
@@guydives1246 bioshock 4 could come out and confuse the timeline and multiple shit going on
Idk why everyone bitches about bioshock infinite. I've played all of them and infinite is easily my favorite. Especially burial at sea, since it literally ties all the games together.
Infinite calls all of bioshock 2 non-canon
Infinite has the best game play
@@Safetyswitch well bioshock 2 is further ahead way farther after bioshock 1 or bioshock 2 could be alt universe
I can see why people wouldn’t like it after the first 2 games, especially burial at sea. It’s basically a stealth game where you try to avoid everyone, nothing like the first 2 games
@@Timdeenter wait its a stealth game? bro ı played my first playthrough on hard and killed everyone ı saw even some civilians :D
Bioshock 4 has been confirmed but it will be made by a new team.
"Sweat Intensifies"
Three years have gone by and nothing :(
@@meris8486 2K literally announced like two days ago BioShock 4 is confirmed and happening. Cloud Chamber Games (a brand new 2K studio) is developing the game.
@@BojackTrunks
Yes, but we heard nothing for like 3 years
@@BojackTrunks source?
I really hope they don't fuck it up. Levine was really what made the series special.
1:04:17 - this is the only thing I really don't understand: "We know that one booker exists, and one Anna exists, which means another Comstock must exist." Why? Only that ONE Booker exists WITH his Anna because he DIDN'T accept the baptism. So why must another Comstock exist? Could somebody clear that up?
+SonataFanatica I noticed that too! Furthermore, what I fail to understand is how he deduces that the Anna from the post-credits scene is the same Anna that gets accidentally killed by the "final" Comstock...
l think that part was wrong, from what l understand the post-credits scene from bioshock infinite happens *after* BAS 2 because in the original ending Elizabeth killing Comstock would create a paradox since she shouldn´t be able to exist and the way to explain it is (as proposed by the steam user Solarmech) that the universe of this game works like a PC where everytime an imposible operation is executed, the PC will reset to an earlier date in order to avoid the error. In the game, when comstock dies his timeline got reseted to the a point where he still is Booker, that would explain why Booker is in the post credits scene, but what about Elizabeth? well, she´s special an the PC couldn´t fix her because of her abilities to move through time and space, in order for her be reseted to a timeline where she was baby Ana she had to die without her powers and that´s how BAS 2 ends so l guess it´s safe to asume that Ana in the post credits scene lived a normal life witth that Booker... unless he messed up and lost her to gambling again xD. About the Ana that dies in BAS , l think that happened to explain why there is another Comstock, if Ana dies then there is no Elizabeth to kill Comstock right? l don´t remember seing a date of that event so it could´ve happened way before Elizabeth killed Comstock in the main game and that un-linked one Comstock from the infinite timeline which would also explain why Elizabeth went to Rapture, she wanted to kill every single Comstock in the multiverse and in one of the doors she saw this one living in Rapture after being teleported by the Luteces to hellp him forget (as explained in BAS 1 ending).
cpard2d2 So does BAS take place at the same time as Infinite in the multiverse ???
Constants and variables
You’re awesome man, I have never been shocked of a story this deep, Bioshock will forever be my favorite collection specially Bioshock infinite ❤️😢
Ugh, I thought I was a super fan of the BioShock series but the fact that Elizabeth was indeed the one that basically made the imprinting of Big Daddy's on Little Sisters possible, went completely over my head! Elizabeth is the key to ALL events of the BioShock sisters. Crazaaaayyyy.
In bioshock 1 fontine says to jack: you were my ace in the hole but you were the closest thing I ever had to a son
when i first finished this dlc, i couldnt believe Elizabeth actually died
Actually, Elisabeth did know about Atlas being Fontaine, if you found all 4 of the secret messages
Im a sound engineer in movie myself, not an A tier of hollywood tho. And I can say that the voice actor of elizabeth always gave me chills
The thing about the whole Bioshock events is that the Luteces have already known about it. Even say "it is better not to do anything"
Meaning she made things worse for the sake of her own wishes to get a good ending (for Bioshock 1). If she hadnt done so, Rapture wouldve just implode.
Tenenbum wouldve escaped with the Lil Sisters in the end anyways.
Too bad they didn't connect the story to also characters from Bioshock 2 (like Alpha-series Big Daddy, Sofia Lamb, Gilbert Alexander, Sinclair etc.)
MarcusFenix89 it’s cuz bioshock 2 had absolutely nothing to do Levine’s continuity
Ken Levine's opinion: "BioShock 2 Bad, 1 & Infinite good."
Please answer my question so its nothing but a loop....its called infinite because those timelines will lead to different outcomes which spawned 1 and 2 omg it is infinite
@@BojackTrunks please answer my question so because of Elizabeth 1 and 2 happened well what about Columbia thats like a different outcome fiffere t timeline they said the songbird and big daddies were used same technology wow wow everything is connected even the multiple lighthouses it symbolizes the game and choices we make
@@sonny_3033 Elizabeth's actions basically made BioShock 1 happen. She had nothing to do with BioShock 2 happening, though in reality that's because Ken Levine won't publicly admit it but he hates BioShock 2. BioShock 1 helped make BioShock 2 happen.
Very good explanation but you missed out some fundamental concepts of the game.
Firstly you mentioned that all versions of comstock are dead and the last one was found by the remaining elizabeth. The game showed only two versions of Comstock- version one gets anna successfully which lead to the events of Columbia, version two failed to get her through the time hole and went to rapture. It didnt mention the other versions of Comstock who didnt bother going back in time to get anna. So far Anna lost her head and pinky finger, she can loose other body parts too! So the possibility is still infinite and there are other Comstocks out there. As for Elizabeth, she didnt say that he was the remaining one. She simply looked at one of the infinite possibilities and picked one that pissed her off. Besides, you can only go through one door at a time.
Secondly you said that she was the last Elizabeth. I disagree again because the game does not hint or indicate any point which is taken as the branching point. The Elizabeths that showed up in the baptism part are only the ones that are tied to that Booker and Comstock. The reason being, if Comstock can only exist after Booker gets baptised, then shouldnt all versions of Comstock automatically vanish after Booker drowns? The fact that we have another Comstock alive i episode 1 shows that Comstock is not just tied to the baptism. The Baptism ceremory is just of the infinite possible ways of converting Booker to Comstock. Simillarly, there are other versions of Elizabeth out there that are tied to those Comstock which are not potrayed in the game.
That brings me to my third point where the game is indeed infinite and we just play through one of the possible options.
This leaves open infinite possibilities to progress with the game, which is excellent as this game is dam good.
Agreed, the only Columbias that should remain are the ones that Anna is killed or the ones where comstock doesn't search for an heir. The drowning in infinite only ended the universe loop where comstock steals Anna successfully. And our Elizabeth is able to escape the fate of not existing because of her power. Now the dlc screws up because she shouldn't be able to return to the universe we were a part of in the base game. It shouldn't exist anymore.
That is unless universes are never truly destroyed and she traveled to it as the past universe which it was. The drowning just stopped future versions of those universes from spawning. Which would then make sense.
tom duke Comstock escaped to rapture. So he wast affected by the wipe out. Elizabeth even said he was the final comstock.
So the Anna behead only happened in one universe.
@@OWmyDragonBallz doesn't make any sense to me, I don't think multiverse thoery works like that. He would have been affected BEFORE he went there, not after. Why would it make him unaffected anyway?
@@PanRobak. Well Liz said he was the final comstock so you tell me
I’m glad episode 2 happened, it really fixed everything I didn’t like about episode 1. Elizabeth’s behavior in episode 1 suddenly makes more sense
I don't understand how the last Elizabeth dies but then can suddenly hire the Lutece's?
+Lyric Ltd It seems to me that there are an infinite number of Elizabeth's, which we only saw a few of at the end of bioshock infinite. The Elizabeth left at the end of infinite seems to have died just after the events of episode 1 and this is a different Elizabeth who decided to intervene in the events of this timeline. She gets the nose bleeds because she doesn't belong in this universe. That there was a Comstock who stole a baby from his younger self seems to be a popular thing in most timelines. Because Elizabeth doesn't have nosebleeds in infinite it means that she is from that same universe, just a little out of the regular timeline. I imagine that in some universes, there are Booker's that never had a kid and in others he had one and everything that happened in infinite never happened at all because he kept her. The one single Elizabeth at the end of infinite we see there was just the one from the timeline we were playing through, the others who were there could have simply been using tears on themselves to leave at the end. The idea that him dying at the baptism means there wasn't an Elizabeth doesn't seem to hold much weight, it would only mean that there would later be no Comstock. After the baptism he became Comstock and then becomes sterile by the machine so for there to be an Elizabeth in those realities she had to have been born before the baptism. It could be that the combination of the wars and him selling Anna could be what drives him to get baptized in the first place. Anyways the short of it is that since we didn't see an infinite number of Elizabeth's at the end of infinite that there are many more timelines with alternate outcomes left out there which we simply don't know about. Or I could be completely wrong ;)
+Herp Derp She probably survived the same way the Luteces did. If you remember, In the universe that Comstock had them killed, because of their ''powers'' they didn't really ''die'', but instead, they simply disappeared from that timeline. So Elizabeth managed to survive thanks to her tear powers, just like the Luteces, but she couldn't go back to that exact timeline, because there she is dead unless she gives up her powers.
+Matsakos but then, how could the Luteces have their powers in Infinite, when they got killed but are in the same timeline. Or did they? Actually did they? Could the Luteces not travel time but place? What if they kinda did the same thing Elitzabeth did in part 2? Just to put all on one card to changed the outcomes.
+Kamyuyon its because the luteces didn't change the past by their own after they got killed, they did change the past but with the help of booker so they didnt do it directly. while elizabeth change the past by her own act, which affects her ability.
but that's just my theory
The Luteces, unless i am very much mistaken are two halves of the same man (or woman). they represent the Animas and the Id The conscious and unconscientious entities (soul and spirit), or minds, if one is psychologically, rather than spiritually, inclined. Also, it might be of interest to you to learn that the Adam (or Adahm, in the Hebrew) is the life essence of man given to the creature made of dust that Almighty Yah(weh) created before He infused this creature with a spark of His Divine being. The Adam (or Adahm)is also infused with the DNA of the woman, eve. Without the duality of the Divine spark AND the DNA of Eve, a creature is NOT a human being. THIS is why the Big Daddies will not, indeed, CAN NOT imprint on the biogenetically engineered Little Sisters without the infusion of Adam (Adahm). the Lifeforce of a human being is found in the blood, along with oxygen and DNA. This, btw, debunks the entire self-elevating notion of atheists that "God" does not exist, save only in the mind of a human being. A fact that leads me to strongly believe that Ken Levine, and at least some of his creative team are, in fact, VERY spiritually invested people. If not, indeed, Christians. Throughout the Bioshock series, they point out the sheer folly, and dangerous-ness, of men, who fancy themselves their own "god/goddess.
If Elizabeth made Big Daddies imprint on Little Sisters
Why did the Elite Bouncer defend Sally in episode 1!
He didn't defend. They were intruders, plus Big Daddy's probably try to fill Fountain's goons down there.
Also doesn't explain how the other Big Daddies can imprint on all the other Little Sisters.
+redhood420 well it did
It stood by until Sally yelled "Mr Bubbles!"
Fontaime*
+brainsick213 what?
Check that comment, I'm not following you /:( sorry
+Spider-Zero well if you listen to a thingy in the 2nd game it says all alphas do not imprint therethere souly for the fight there for he needs to pretect her from going into an acoma this is all explaned neer the end of bioshock 2 and at the begining whats her name calls you mr bubbles I think correct me if im wrong
I believe that Elizabeth broke the circle of Booker to Comstock transformations by killing booker in the Baptism. But was always meant to start a new cycle by tracking down the last comstock setting off the beginning of the OG bioshock. I got that from the heavy implication of the dialogue concerning about having a choice. Now if the OG bioshock has a tie with Infinite that sparks the events in Infinite, it would be a perfect circle. Nothing was broken as all was meant to be.
this has gotta be the best story telling in a video game I ever saw in my life, no game tells a story this good, the story is a total mindfuck from beggining to end but damn satisfying to the punch (which btw, I don't like alternate universe stories since they can go so many ways but this is an exception), it left me wanting more even though I still have a hard time understanding it, Half Life's story pales in comparison to this and I loved Half Life's story it was always my number one when it came to story, but now, screw that Bioshock is my number 1 now....and on a side note, Valve, if you are listening, FINISH THE GOD DAMN STORY ON HALF LIFE, WOULD YOU KINDLY?!?!!.......lets hope that works ;)
This should have been a book, it's really good
Would you kindly?
LordDoucheBags
you haven't played the first game haven't you, you're gonna be hearing that alot trust me....
MrViral20 No lol I know it's in the first game (I haven't played it though). I wasn't asking a question I was just stating the question that's in your comment and the game.
MrViral20 oh come on use your brain, that's WHY he's saying it.
I agree 100%! This and The Last Of Us both have the best storytelling in gaming!
Rosalind lutece possibly talks about wanting to have a child, or at least sexual intercorse with her "brother" as she talks about "making new life"....hmm...food for thought
she did want to make a new life but it wasn't having a child it was leaving to a different universe the doesn't have Comstock in it.
Did she say make or start?
She says make
hmmm interesting.
uh uh, "make" here is completely misinterpreted. she referred to her current state of being a life, "or lack there of," as she felt that she wasnt really living since she wasnt really alive. she was, and she wasnt. and since she'd rather not be dead, she'd rather be alive, and she wondered if fully choosing to make a new life for herself would be worth giving up omniscience and access to the secrets of the universe. she wondered if she should become "just like everybody else" as elizabeth became.
Great video! I was recently replaying Infinite and realized that I had never played the DLC. So I just got through the part 2 and, while the story and connections between the Bioshock games were incredible, I was not a fan of the gameplay of Part 2. I didn't feel like I was able to explore as much as I wanted to because of the constant stealth element. But thank you for putting it all together!
I'm just going to take my shot at this like everybody else here in the comments. At the end of Infinite, Elizabeth drowns Booker, killing all Comstocks. However, at the end, there is one Elizabeth remaining. From this, we know there has to be one Comstock that exists, as for every Elizabeth there is a Comstock. This is where BaS Episode 1 kicks in, the last remaining Elizabeth goes after the last remaining Comstock, as kills him. At this point, all Comstocks are dead and our final remaining Elizabeth with her powers will go back to Rapture to save Sally and give Atlas the activation phrase, but because she is returning to a dimension in which she died, she will lose her powers. When she dies at the end of BaS Episode 2, that is the end of any character with the name Elizabeth. There is still a Booker and Anna, but the Booker and Elizabeth we knew are dead. None of the Bookers accepted the baptism, thus no Comstock to steal Anna, thus no Elizabeth. DAMN YOU KEN LEVINE AND YOUR THOUGHT-PROVOKING GAMES.
I agree yes according to the game that's correct
wait, i am still confused. How does the final remaining Elizabeth go back to save sally? Which Elizabeth was it that died along with Comstock in Rapture in BaS?
I know somehow someway they will do something to blow us away. Even with this knowledge. They surprised us with dlc 1&2 they have to suprise us again.
I really hope so. They were going to make a movie but cancelled. There has to be something whether it be game, movie, book, whatever.
... That moment when you realize there wont be anymore Bioshock games. Irrational Games might as well be buried at sea now.
there's always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city"
-Elizabeth.
thanks much man, 7 years on and I finally got around to playing all the DLC for the games and damn...mind blown haha
I thought the nose bleeds were a byproduct of having two memories of two different events taking place at simultaneously?
1 hour explanation ?? this guy reserves more recognition
This is the best crafted story of all time in a video game. Change my mind.
It’s mind boggling to think that the developers created this masterpiece over the course of 10 years and managed to make such a story
Man, i cannot THANK YOU enough for this vid, man! Finaly i had understand how all this little storys work together and EXPLAIN what the meaning of "INFINITE" means! It was pretty hard to understand for me, but THANKS TO YOU, all had cleared up! I owe you 1 **respectful-bow** ^^ thx for all the efforts & hard work to share your knowledge with us, JV2017gameplay san!
The most/only confusing part for me is the fact that there still is another Comstock. How was he able to exist? Booker drowned at the babdism, so he could never become Comstock.
Edit: I came across a new explanation. In the ending of Infinite, our Liz is
suspisiously absent. When Booker came through the final door, Elizabeth
did not go with him. She wanted an alternative solution, while the other
Liz's could take care of Booker. Therefore she went to the past and
tried to prevent Comstock from taking Anna. Obviously, it didn't go so
well. Because time has no real meaning in the context of Infinite, a
moment could last an eternity, which is why Elizabeth is able to
anything in every dimension at any time. Elizabeth is not going to
Rapture after she killed Booker, but BEFORE that. She went to the past
while it still existed in order to kill Comstock while he still existed,
hence while she was able to revisit Columbia when it still existed.
THAT is how it makes sense now.
However, there are still other holes left to be filled.
+nexusshark Thats just one Booker (and colmstock) in one universe. In another universe, booker didnt get drowned, and still existed, accepting the babdism, becoming comstock. Both booker and comstock exist, i mean existed, up until the time they were all killed in all universes.
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Then that means Bookers sacrifice at the end was pointless if Comstock still exists. Also, if they stopped existing when killed in all universes, then there can't be a universe where Booker wasn't drowned.
+nexusshark that booker and comstock exist BECAUSE baby anna died. because she died, that comstock is separated from the other universes AND there is no anna to drown him. hence why the last anna made it her goal to kill him. make more sense?
Darrick Suen
No, because the very fact that there still was a Comstock left to steal baby Anna in the first place is a major contradiction. Comstock was prevented from existing, so for Comstock to steal Anna, decapitating her and then ending up in Rapture would still require him to exist in the first place, which is impossible because Booker DIED at the baptism.
I understand you're thinking about it in the infinite universe. But again, my point is this: What if this Comstock is not tied to the infinite universe BECAUSE of the events that transpired; he was unsuccessful in stealing Anna, and thus separated his universe with the infinite universe. Try thinking outside of the infinite box? Like instead of all the universes boiling down to that one choice of whether or not booker took the baptism, what if this separate universe has a previous variable. Like this separate universe was dependent on something like whether George Washington became the first president or not. And this last comstock was a part of that universe.
This franchise is amazing. The fact that they were able to connect everything together, without it feeling far fetched. Absolutely breathtaking
i think the chains on Jack's wrists symbolizes the the circle that can never be unbroken.
I was very confused as to why Elizabeth would have used a Little Sister to summon a Big Daddy if the Big Daddys weren't imprinted to the Little Sisters at that point. However, I think I figured it out.
It wasn't that there was a Little Sister in danger that brought down the wrath of a Big Daddy in the begining; it was the commotion of everything that was happening. A loud argument, some one screaming, tampering with the system and all out in the open where it could raise red flags for miles.
You could see, when they were walking around earlier, that the Big Daddys were floating around outside and seeming to doing minor repairs, so such a scene would probably ping pretty loudly on their radars.
BUT... I've never played any of the Bioshock games, so maybe I'm way the hell off and should just sit int the corner and color.
Possible other explainations?
Actually, in Bioshock 1, an audio diary explains that Big Daddies DID protect Little Sisters, but only during fights, that’s why Sally yelled for Mr Bubbles even though Elizabeth made the bonds after
@@LoveThomas07 That's right, in some audio log, someone says that the big daddys do defend the little sister, but eventually abandon them, so they needed to find something to make them attatched
It is all a little bit too convenient. The Big Daddy just happening to be there to protect the Little Sister calling for it when they weren't even imprinted yet.
Seems to me the only explanation is that the Big Daddy WAS imprinted, but it happened due to a separate similar lion-thorn-paw event down in Fontaine Futuristics that was isolated from the other Big Daddies / Little Sisters up in the main part of Rapture.
I mean thinking about it sensibly, if all it takes is for a Little Sister to help a Big Daddy in trouble, it would probably happen on its own sooner or later anyway.
This game got me all emotional, try not to cry....cry a lot...pure masterpiece!
I'm sad
Why did the hot Elizabeth had to die
Wow. This was an amazing story and all, but there is one small plot whole. If Elizabeth imprinted the Big Daddies and the end of the game, after she visits Columbia, then the Big Daddy couldn't have killed Comstock and Elizabeth in episode one. Elizabeth hasn't imprinted the Big Daddies to Little Sisters yet, so why would the Big Daddy you fight in the game be attacking you? At this point, the Big Daddies couldn't care less about the Little Sisters, so why would the Big Daddy kill them for thinking they would harm Sally (A Little Sister) So, either there is a plot whole, or someone else found out how to imprint the Big Daddies to Little Sisters. Still, this was a great story.
Why did I type "whole" instead of "hole"?
I was so satisfied watching the video and understanding how all pieces finally tie together. Then I read your comment.
kibuki senpai You're welcome.
I'm pretty sure that not all the big daddies reacted the same. with everything going on in rapture and the existence of little sisters in its prime, we know that suchong was trying to create the protectors for the gatherers(big daddies for little sisters) but there isn't just one type of big daddy, the little sisters 'fantasy land' from the conditioning didn't seem to be apparent in the game so we know all the variables aren't really working together at the point in time. therefore we can't assume that theyre all reacting the same way. and we don't really know how the mindset of the big daddies are this early on. big daddies are made from splicers so its safe to assume thats where the big daddies get their compassion for little sisters from, making it possible for some big daddies to have more empathy than others, just as humans.
I think he was pissed because Comstock shot at him and tried to kill him. Elizabeth says in episode 2 how Comstock tried to kill the big daddy but he didn't die. The big daddys get pissed if you shot at them and then kills you.
Thanks for that insightful, methodical, and well-thought incremental analysis. I just finally decided to go on with the DLCs a week ago , years after a finished the main Infinite game and about a DECADE after reaching the end of the Original Bioshock. Having made the effort of keeping in touch with at least vulgarized literature touching upon Einstein-Rosenthal bridge throughout my life, and namely documentation covering the alternative worlds theories, you actually did people like me quite the favor in actually bridging the gap (no pun intended) between Levine's work of fiction and the subtle crossroads that the whole franchise entails with morals, ethics and philosophy via his brilliant "romanticized" application of the most far-fetched edges of quantum physics. The two major stumbling blocks were the Daisy Fitzroy connection since the events surrounding her ultimate fate in the main game had stunningly slipped my mind every since beating it (shame on me, yeah I know). The second was the very ending of Infinite that I only partially got in peace with (Which Comstock/Booker exactly had died at this point etc...) Now the doubts are all cleared out. The loop is looped, and everything makes perfect sense, as we say in France.Many thanks indeed. The one addendum that I may come up with to the author would be to give credence to his theory of yet additional sets of alternative universes : everything, and I mean everything is figuratively meant to yell at us that Sally is actually the final iteration of none other than Elizabeth herself, with the Edith Piaf song she hums at the end just like she'd do in Paris, and the very fact that she has exactly Liz's characteristic blue yes, and on top of it can see through these eyes and memories so far into time from the beginning and all along major flashbacks (or rather should I say "flashfutures" :p). That final theory would present the double advantage of giving pause to the audience about the benefits of sacrifice (by contrast to simply being "fools" as the Lutèce sister implies while riding Liz at the Rapture fort) which is in my opinion constitutes the very core message of non-deterministic destinies of mankind and their free-will, AND provide justice to the very persona of Liz after all her hurdles and final "leap of faith"essentially devoid of her powers. It also further clarifies the never-explained fact that the supposedly "final" Liz just appears out of the blue next to the "last" dead one. And that theory links up with the sole possible disagreement I might have with the author, in that there aren't such limite, "finite" number of Elizabeth's and Comstock and that we cannot say for sure that the Baptism ending literally makes all but one disappear ,but rather "the one that matter for our study and story" (as it would in the same way as the "many" Liz+Dewit iterations crossing the Rapture anchors at the same time). There is indeed always a very thin dividing line between the "figurative shown visually" and the "concrete reality that actually takes place" all along Infinite's experience, and the voluntary missing links that exist during all such occurrences give room to the audience to choose one interpretation over the other, and that's the real beauty of it. I would LOVE to have your take on that sir, even though I'm pretty much digging up a very old threat in here I realize. Bottom line I take from Levine and his team would then rather become : "Realities never end, but our individual choices make them matter as the one that is ours, notwithstanding the many and their tragedies, mistakes, flaws, and so forth that may or may not otherwise take place". Breaking the cycle meant finally making a selfless thought from the gut of the human flesh and with no omniscient astrophysical knowledge.
An amazing game and story, made even better by your analysis! Thank you
Maybe Christopher Nolan should make a Bioshock movie, the games are hard to explain, his movies are hard to understand, perfect match!
I just finished it today in October 2023, I finished BioShock 1 and 2 when they were released but then I got in the service and life happened. Finally got a PS3 again and bought this game to finish the series.. its always been in the back of my mind, man what a freaking ride. I love this game. Cheers to everyone who played as a kid and adult!
What I don't understand is that if all the Comstocks are dead. Then even Elizabeth shouldn't exist anymore cause she never was kidnapped then and never lost her pinky either.
The last Liz in Bioshock survived to show us that there is one more Comstock left and I agree that's a little weird and it could be possible that there are others like her left in the endless universes. But within the understanding and purposes of the game we see she's the last one because there's one more Comstock.
The game tells us these Constants:
Comstock existing=Liz existing
Booker existing=Anna existing
And if there's a Liz there's a Comstock. That last Liz is an indication that there's a Comstock out there and that Comstock is the one killed at the end of Burial Episode 1.
SlickaFlicka But if that last Comstock is killed, then why is Elizabeth still alive ?
That is a very good question. I believe it has to do with the fact that this Liz is cut off from her dimensional powers but that probably isn't the whole reason because that would mean that the Liz that was there when the last Comstock died should've disappeared immediately.
Yea that's a huge hole in the story wow. I don't know man. Maybe there's another Comstock? And if there is then that would be contrary to the whole experience. I'll look into it and try to come up with something.
SlickaFlicka Yeah. I thought alot about it and the only explenation would be another Comstock, but then why didn't Elizabeth see him. But anyway. Maybe the developers didn't think it through 100%. I dunno
***** Yea it's weird. I don't think it would be an Anna because she wouldn't have the pinky cut off. Maybe something in the game happened and the constant with Comstock and Liz isn't going anymore. I don't know. It could be that our Liz is the only one who can have infinite knowledge of the universes and after knowing it all she can't be gone until she wants and the Comstock that died won't affect her.
But what the game misses out on is that there are endless possibilities and the game's events are just a very very very tiny occurrence and maybe that's what the characters were talking about when they said you'll regret it/you're wasting yourself/the girl is worthless. Liz herself even says she's barely doing anything and she's trying to make a dent.
13:29 WTF corpuses on the water dozens of them..
+Leo Gob Are those the ones that died from the airplane crash? From the original Bioshock.
+Leo Gob Good eye ! I missed those the first time around. Think it might be the plane crash from Bioshock ?
+Peter Mozuraitis possibly...man this game, it made me fell so much...Ken Levine is a genius.
aren't the events happening in Burial at Sea happening in 1958 while original Bioshock had the story placed in 1960?
They all look like Elizabeths.
Im just confused at this part 27:26 here you said Suchong discovered that sea slugs have adam in them, but wasn't Brigid Tenenbam the one who discovered that as we learned from bioshock 1?
The misuse of an established information from the first game was astonishing. I really don't get the hype around burial at sea....
I want a bioshock game in a universe where Elizabeth regrets killing Booker and goes back to fix it and be friends and family and go to Paris and just travel the world!
13:58 to the left side of the boat there are dead people.
Just an interesting notice.
Wow how the heck did you even see that? xD
Just played the collection and you happened to be the first one I stumbled upon for explanations, and man am I glad of it, you saved me hours. I had most of my questions answered here. But I do have a few:
1. Does anyone know why booker sold Anna for in the first place? Yes, a debt, but was it actual gambling debt? Or did his memories get filled in with gambling, but he actually sold her to get rid of his guilt (debt), therefore setting in an infinite loop?
2. You said here near the end that since after the credits of infinite one Anna and one Booker remain, there MUST be one comstock left. Why? I mean...clearly there must be since we just interacted with him in Butial at Sea...but I guess I'm just confused.
3. Also, what about Bioshock 2? Do we consider that sorta just...a standalone story?
I know this video came out almost 5 years ago, but damn it's amazing.
I just finished Infinite a couple days ago and seeing this just made me woke
@@_matthew_ryan_751 I played Bioshock Infinite back in 2014 and it's just as good now as it was way back then. I play it through and through still to this day.
I'm sorry, how can Bioshock 2 make sense if Elizabeth is the one who ended up pairing the big daddies with the little sisters? Because in Bioshock 2 you play as the first Big Daddy to successfully bond with a little sister.
+Hitly German (Hitly96) Pretty sure Irrational didn't take it into account since it was made by another studio.
This is amazing. Well done, you have seriously done the gaming community a favour with all your explanations for the bioshock series. Thankyou, from all of us. This game revolutionised the story telling of gaming. It's sad to see it end and not continue however this ending could not have be more extraordinary.
that moment when I realize the video is 1 hour long.
1:04:46
So does that mean that there is only one Booker now? The one that was left with the headless Anna?
James Dooley What about the one that was left with only the body of Anna? He was trying to get back Anna from Comstock, but right when the tear closed, her head was cut off and he was only left with her body. What happened to him? Cause I thought Comstock (the one that was left with Anna's head) was the one who adopted Sally.
OfficialDaHotShot guess that the booker you are talking about may get baptised for his guilt of trying to sell anna and will be reborn again as comstock or remain booker and carry on in his life.
Wouldnt that set of a whole new alternate universe set with bookers and comstocks.
Yeah! I'm thinking he just carried on with his life.
OfficialDaHotShot maybe he will name his next daughter (if he ever has one) Sally. :)
The last booker was a figment of her imagination. A conscious, sort of.