There are plenty of things you can spend your money on but there's plenty of things you don't need to. And the part I think that you would enjoy the most is getting to see places that you know from Morrowind but from way before Morrowind
And those really expensive houses are ment more like guild Halls where you can have large groups of people meet there and do things like having crafting tables and stuff like that
Gambling machine, without the CBBE Physics. Its like paying someone to neuter you. MMO's are just terrible. Bethesda games are just terrible, actually. Modders are the only reason they are worth playing.
@@greenflamingoentertainment8613Bethesda games are amazing what are you speaking about? Fallout 3,4 Elder Scrolls 2,3,4,5, Starfield seems promising, Elder Scrolls Online And Fallout 76 aren't great games but they are more then playable.
@@jellymop Its like Coyote Peterson, Stinging himself with some obscure dangerous insect and then writhing on the ground for 10 minutes talking about how terrible it was. For anyone with a brain, Its pretty obvious it isn't good for you. Its really all just for attention.
Large houses are used as Guild Hubs mostly. But the majority of guilds I’ve visited use Psijic Mansion as their base. It’s large, pretty and it was given away for free during Summerset Season.
The biggest problem I have with the crown store is how predatory it is to new players. People already commented how easy it is to get a vampire or werewolf bite for free in game if you just know where or think to ask. And there are plenty of things overpriced for how easy they are to get for free. I tell most people that are interested to avoid buying crowns and if they enjoy the game to just sub for all the DLC content and the craft bag since they give you $15 worth of crowns with each monthly sub. Then you can blow your crowns on whatever or save it up for something actually useful like a banker or merchant or DLC areas you want to have always available. I've played subscription based games before and I enjoy ESO enough to treat it like one cuz I find it nearly unplayable otherwise. I'm with you on removing key features to make premium being some bullshit.
Underrated comment. Honestly there's so much you can find in the game for no additional real money/crowns. Buying the first pack upgrade (let alone any, though the price does scale up) is just painful to watch because it's like 800 gold from the npc pack merchant. 800 gold is a pittance in this game, even if you're relatively new. The big January login reward (like 20 days of logging in daily) was 100,000 gold. Players are generally helpful in zone chat if they don't think you're trolling, minus the occasional number of people that will troll you. But 99.99% of players will tell you how to avoid the crown store if there is a way around it, because we all know it's terrible. For context I've played and subscribed since the 2014 launch.
I do not really understand why anyone ever should buy crowns before looking into the game (or store). It takes 10 minutes to realize that the store is mostly optional and more like a "reward system" for the ESO+ subscription model. ESO is a subscription based game with a big extended "trial". But you can theoretically play the trial even endlessly because of the more horizontal focussed progression + champion/paragon system. And if you want to play the game only for the base game, dungeons, veteran base dungeons / raids and all the story from the 3 alliances... damn this all will take 300-1000 hours alone if you are a real TES player and enjoy the dialogues etc.
I got the sub for the game, burned out, forgot about the sub, and came back like, 8 months later expecting to have 8 months worth of crowns, but no. You don't get those crowns for the month if you don't log in. That's when I knew I was dealing with criminal scum.
@@alexanderrahl7034 Ever tried to contact the support instead of only complaining? I know people had this issue, but there is no login required it sometimes is more of a problem with the subscription system (because you can get the crowns in advance for multiple months) or steam payments (not marked as DLC). People in my guild had this issue too and got it afterwards by the support team. They even write on their website ("As an ESO Plus member, you'll receive 1650 crowns for each month of your membership to spend in the in-game Crown Store.").
One other thing with houses in ESO is not only are they waaaaay too expensive, the furniture limit is stupidly small. You can have houses the size of a palace and you maybe have enough slots to furniture a room or two, the rest will stay empty. People been asking for higher limit, but response was "we don't play to do anything about it" ;x
Yeah I nearly died laughing when I first went in to the dog house you get for free and found out I could put down one dungeon trophy and the 30 slot chest and thats it 😂 I spent like 30 mins completelly baffled and laughing at that ffs.. the limit makes sense tho because it all takes server space but for them to sell such massive castles and shit ans then you can't do much decorating is stupid..
If it's not related to your subscription status it's probably a console limit, especially if they're still supporting the PS4/XB1 generation. FF14 had similar problems when they were still supporting older generation consoles
I can't wait for the day that Bethesda decides that Daedric Quests are too good for base games, and hides the quests behind a paywall, and THEN the artifact behind another paywall. That's going to be SO much fun, I just know it.
Please don’t give me this anxiety. I don’t wanna sound like some “back in my day” asshole but seriously I miss when games were on discs because at least then the game had to be good and playable for people to buy it. Now they can ship stuff out for $70 and promise to fix the game with updates within 2 years. FUUUUCK I fucking hate AAA studios
Vampirism can be gotten for free in game if you can find a vampire to bite you. Usually if you hang around one of the vampire shrines you can get somebody who will offer a bite. Same thing for werewolves
Meh you might have to wait a while for someone to do it for free. People usually charge a small fee ingame now seeing as you can only do it once a week or something
There are nice players who will do it if you ask, it's how I got it, and now I'm on the very long path to getting level 10 so I can do the same for others
This happened a while ago but I tried to get a werewolf to bite me and the dude scammed me out of like 10k gold. Asshole knew what he was doing because I saw him bite someone else right in front of me before claiming that "no I bit you" when he just did his attack animation at me. My antisocial ass just went and bought the bite right after that instead of trying to find someone else -_-
@@SilvarusLupus anybody who's charging is a douchebag. And back in the day we used to chase them off the server. Everybody would be calling them out charging for a bite what's wrong with you trying to scam new players
@@sp0ckz0mbi3 pay to skip overland content for the house? I guess... but it's not like you can pay to skip actually difficult or time consuming content. And you will don't get the achievements related to the content (although you do get the achievement for owning the house itself).
@@Lovefromwcu1 Shouldn't the player be made aware of stuff like that through the game before they make the purchase then, and not have to rely on the internet or playing the game for many hours to learn that? I've seen a few games have simple disclaimers like, "this content can be unlocked through X currency/progression as well". So not informing the player of their choices when it's so easy, and especially when there's SO MUCH STUFF in the microtransaction store, seems like a deliberate trap for newcomers.
I played ESO consistently for years. I personally found the subscription a pretty decent deal for myself who played so consistently. I didn't get it for the first few months and had no problems, but once I wanted to get into crafting, the subscription was a must. That said, I knew so many people who were spending probably hundreds of dollars a month, some of the houses are well over a hundred to begin with. The crown crates are straight up just predatory bullshit
exactly i just afk on their twitch streams to get their free crates or get them with dlc pre-orders. I've been playing eso probably since 2019 and i wanted to get eso+ but kinda guessed that i just wanted dlc and not the extra stuff with the membership so i havent invested in it. The fear of missing out with a lot of the crown store stuff is way too predatory i feel into that trap before and try to get what i can for free now
@@arseyne honestly it's not bad they give you a monthly allowance of crowns. And the crafting bag is definitely worth it it's hard to play without it once you've used it. It's nice being able to go through a whole dungeon without being full at the end and unable to pick up your end reward
“You can play without this item yes, but it’s completely necessary for crafting” is bull to me. I can’t say much because I did buy eso+ mostly for the fact that I wanted to experience stuff without being “held back” in a way but the idea of it is bull and even in other comments on this video you can see ESO white knights defending this game with all there might. Now my opinion is if you have the money to enjoy the game and your not putting yourself at risk do it your decision. But at the end of the day, it is very predatory.
29:34 actually yeah!! My dad has a big ESO guild and they can fill houses, they also have their houses as like a hub with practice dummies and such. One time someone arranged items so high they played “lawn darts” except your character is the dart jumping from a high place
@@NigerianCrusader Imagine thinking that's an actual excuse for egregiously overpriced pixels. It's unbelievably pathetic how much of a dog you are for a multi-million dollar company.
@@hedgehog3180 No, the amount of free crowns you get just for being subscribed would make those end games houses affordable in like 6 months of being subbed to the game.
When he was talking about paying 600 crowns for a house you can buy for 1000 gold and saying it was reasonable, I just shut it off. Really does not look like he is looking at anything with any depth.
@@xX.D3DP00L_Xx I was a new player. I saw that basic house from playing long before looking at the crown store for houses. Don't bullshit me on how a youtube streamer actually plays games like a new player.
@@The_Conundrum_Crew and don't bullshit me who has about 8000 hrs into this game. I know exactly how that trash crown store works. Sit down toxic casual
One guy I sometimes play with bought like 100+ gamble boxes to get that bear with the moose horns mount. Paying MORE than what mickyD spent. He had only been playing for a couple of months. It was insane. The mount didn't even look good, nor did it fit the aesthetic of his character. He basically fronted the costs for all the megaservers across all platforms for like an hour. Moral of the story: Gambling sucks, whales are a thing.
As for the pointless water area in that house, one thing you can do is craft platforms as furniture and create a dock. Put some dock related stuff out there, maybe an npc houseguest or two, and you got yourself a "lived in " area that was literally nothing before
The only things in the shop in old ESO were Imperial upgrade and one horse, IIRC. And they were WAY cheaper than stuff in store nowadays. I miss the old ESO and it's competent and passionate dev team.
I beta tested ESO, too and loot crates weren't a thing back then and this is only one example, meaning they added tons of microtransactions to the game If you hate a game, atleast be honest with your critique on it.
This monetization style has killed so many games for me. It's not just the store and not just the constant advertising, it's also the game design that suffers.
@@NigerianCrusader As opposed to what? That's literally just how companies work, they use the money they make from sales to pay for production and possible expansion. It's not a fucking charitable endevor it's literally the most basic aspect of how a company works.
@@hedgehog3180 Yeah, but there needs to be a balance. Sure, a company's goal is to make money. That's how capitalism works. But if they offer a product, they also need customers that buy the product. So they can't be too greedy, otherwise they lose customers, or don't have them to begin with. And I'm absolutely in favour of supporting companies that offer a good product for a fair price. I've spent money in a couple f2p games before. Because those games are fair, both in terms of pricing and of being able to play without having to spend. I gave them money because I wanted to, because the product they offer is enjoyable and I wanted to give something back.
This first-hand video approach to what you receive in game for your Dollar is a lot better for viewers to understand than most youtubers who only quickly slap a few numbers on screen.
I love ESO - sunk so much time before buying anything - and never felt needing to actually buy anything. Craft bag is the only thing that really feels predatory - but it can overcome by not hoarding and organizing. Only ever bought crowns for DLCs which are generally worth it.
The house interiors seem oddly scaled, compared to the walls and stairs the character looks 5'4". Somewhat similar to how the main door in the Forbidden Zone in Fallout New Vegas: Old World Blues is scaled. Roughly twice the regular size.
@@Cptn8993 are you speaking theoretically or is there an actual character creation slider that can make your TESO character a giant? I don't remember it from Beta and that is all I know
So glad to see you do more ESO! With that said the store is awful for new players, since they wont know that many things are either free, easy to earn, or just cost gold to purchase. DLC/Chapters are the only thing worth investing in the crownstore tbh
When ESO first came out I spent the whole summer playing it, You could only become a werewolf by activating a monument that only activated once an hour to one person. Or by a player giving it to you but they could only do it once a week I think . I got the beast blood by my friend "DrSmokingBud" who I thought was an actual doctor, he wasn't lmao.
That's not true lol. There were rare spawn werewolves that only spawned on a full moon around the map. You needed to get attacked by them to contract the disease. It was either that, or get bitten by another player. Idk where you got the monument from lol.
Assistant banker and traders are not only for your house. You can summon them everywhere, except PvP content. Your group members are able to use them btw.
The bag upgrades don’t transfer to other characters lol. Plus the only other method to increase the bag space per character is to use crowns or to buy it with in game gold. The cost ramps up per upgrade And the 13,000 thieves Oasis thing is a house not a dlc. You could buy several major dlcs and still have left over crowns compared to the giant house purchase
Yeah the bag upgrades with in game gold are cheap but get progressively more expensive. You never have to pay a cent. Daily writs give you extra gold, playing the game, etc even casually playing. Those crown store bag upgrades are predatory.
Few notes: the bag upgrades can be gotten with ingame gold, and the crown crate consumables are outclassed by crafted consumables. Most of the houses that are always in the crown store can be bought with gold. And for the housing, you can place your mounts and pets like furnishings, and even set them on paths to walk around your house. And you can make a dock with furnishings yourself down in the ocean. The vampirism and lycanthropy both can be given for free by other players. There no P2W parts to the crown store, it's either pay for convenience or cosmetic. Though you spending crowns on many of these things show how the crown store is predatory towards people who don't know better. If you want someone to help you settle into ESO, lemme know.
I'm glad someone bigger than me is putting a spotlight on how insane the monetization for this game is. Usually you expect a company to only single dip when it comes to monetization, with the worst of the worst like EA being expected to double dip at worst. What I mean is, you either have a f2p game with microtransactions, a paid game without microtransactions, or sometimes a f2p game with a premium semi-required subscription, those are "single dip". Then you have a paid game with microtransacitons, and that's the double dip. ESO is the TRIPLE DIP. It's a paid game, with paid expansions, with a semi-required subscription, with microtransactions. It's insane, actually insane and nothing comes close.
"Other MMOs are the same!" No they are not. WoW and FF14 are both double dip games, paid content and a sub, they do not have any gameplay microtransactions of any kind beyond the controversial level boost purchase. You can't, however, gain any advantage on them with real money in any way, and they definitely don't lock vital game mechanics out if you don't pay extra, like ESO does.
oh yeah, also! if you want to be a vampire or a werewolf its totally free, you just need to ask zone or guild chat and usually people would just happily give u a bite. also curing them only need like a small amount of gold at the local temple thats it lol, dont let the crown store fool you! its like a trap sometimes
@@GreenEyedDazzler it requires literally 2 brain cells to google "how to become a vampire in ESO" and find that you can do that for free in 5 minutes...
Easily the thing that puts me off playing ESO the most, is the fact that they both charge for the DLCs and also have a subscription model. SWTOR, the only MMO I actually play, gives you permanent access to all DLC that are out when you subscribe.
@@pedropedro1 they literally give out the stuff he gotten from the crates for free in mass quantities, and literally everything he got from them was more easily obtainable and cheaper to get in game than to use the crates. The potions and food from the crates really only serve the function of breaking down into gems to buy specific items you want from the crates. even the xp scrolls. Nobody is buying crown crates for a couple potions that they can make with less than 5 minutes of work or are literally given hundreds of for free which the game is pretty transparent about. The real pay to win practices comes with the release of new dlcs which introduce new sets that end up being overpowered in pvp and end up being nerfed whenever a new dlc comes out.
@@mihawk508 I mean when they release new Mythic items they're always broken making people buy them. "But you have to farm them in game", it's just pay2win with extra steps. When a overpowered item is literally locked behind a paywall that's the definition of pay2win. They also allow RMT and buying in game gold with crowns, essentially cutting out the middle man and not needing to even farm items and just buy any gear, paying for trials, specific dungeon gear or upgrades etc. This isn't too bad because it can all be farmed in game, well if you have the corresponding DLC or subscription you've paid for that is.
... I may have been a crown crate addict at one point. I actually enjoy playing ESO in small bursts and i use my crowns to decorate my digital home because I will never own a real home. Because my mortgage is spent in ESO homes.
Potions, Foods, Drinks, and Soul Gems are all cheap and plentiful in the game and do not require cash shop purchases. If something is not listed as account-wide, assume it is per-character. (Yes, especially bag space and bank slots, which can also be unlocked without spending a cent, but the higher ranks cost a ridiculous amount of Septims.) There are DLC and Chapters. DLC are smaller, more frequent content drops that may add just a single zone, and a pack of dungeons, and Chapters are just the Expansions, those are money only, no crowns. The DLC will always have a steep discount on their respective release anniversaries, as well. Consumables from the Crown Crates can be exchanged for extra Crown Gems from by opening the Gem Extraction menu from the Crown Crate overlay. Also Crowns are not at a ratio of 100 to $1, and the cost of Crown shop items will always leave you with slightly too little to buy anything else without buying more crowns.
P.S. the actual game itself is VERY fun and there is some great value to be had, it's just a crying shame that it has to be marred by the predatory cash shop.
I mean you literally can own a home, and decorate. I mean Skyrim is also a theme park “you can go this way” The game is open world but it’s on rails to some degree. Eso has most of Tamriel and if you play solo it’s really not much different from Skyrim just in more of Tamriel the combat is different but who cares no one plays an elder scrolls Game for combat they play for the lore (unless you are one of those weird mmo fans who play any mmo for sick pvp action … Which is appears a lot Do and get disappointed the game is really designed for tes fans and not mmo fans).
@@TheVioletBunny They are theme parks because all players have the same experience as visitors. You line up for "attractions" while seeing other visitors do the same, and all the NPCs are costumed actors repeating the same thing to everyone.
@@maurice5402 OSRS community seems to have gotten extra sweaty. Last time I played, most of my friends wouldn’t even chat in game cause they were too busy running like 6 accounts at once
I know myself well enough that I don't allow myself to play games like this. I'm a collector and that is not a good match with a game that has so many microtransactions and gambling, and premium currency on top of premium currency. I was buying premium currency in another game (on sale! bulk discount! limited time only!) and realized I was spending 500 dollars. That could have gone to pay down my credit card. THAT'S what they really need to do to regulate this stuff: stop allowing games to use premium currencies to hide the money people are spending. Have all the in-game shops you like; sell players anything you want. *But force games to list every item in the standard currency for the player's country.* That would slash the effectiveness of these predatory systems.
my god the amount of editing just on the first mins of the vid, i alrdy know this video will be a treat. also fun fact, there are crown to gold exchange discord specificly made to trade gold for crowns, so basicly you give the person the gold and he gifts you the item or dlc or whatever from the crown store. it also comes with a witness and if any of em tries to run off the person gets refunded and the person who ran gets blacklisted from the discord. after each transaction the person gets a point to his profile to show how many succesful transactions he did to see if he's trustworthy.
Not "to you it seems like gambling" IT IS GAMBLING. It literally is the definition of gambling. This is why there are several countries that have passed laws against this shit.
@@Moebz818 Prefurnished houses cost crowns, but usually there is a non-crown price in gold that's pretty reasonable. Newer noble homes seem to be 50-50 crowns only though.
I played a LOT of ESO a few years back, I remember basically none of it beyond grinding white gold tower and my guild's daily quest run. The clearest memory I have is hanging out in that big mansion player owned house with most of the people in our guild. They had a training dummy set up while people tweaked their build to max their damage.
just a little add up : The game also has "seals of endeavour" which you can earn by daily and weekly quests. With these seals you also can place all the things you can buy with the gems. It is pretty grindy though if you want the high rewards, but at least you can buy some things with it oncce in a while
I can't wait for TES6 where Bethesda will hopefully give us a subscription option to remove weight that doesn't give us an in game option like Skyrim where you can enchant armor to do that.
the real eso sin is how much the mer refer to themselves as elves, once heard a dunmer native to morrowind say 'dark elf' unironically and i think i had a stroke
TESO is my MMO of choice and I am glad to see you cover it some more. Believe me even with my probably thousand or so hours sunk into the game I still just stick to buying Expansions/DLC since that's proper content. I have plenty of cosmetics, mounts, pets, etc, from just grinding out the game. So that works for me. I always ward other potential players away from spending any cash for that reason. But man, it's painful seeing ya spend dosh on things you *can* get through gameplay. Anyways
Microtransactios on free to play games are kinda understandable to a certain degree because the money has to come from somewhere, but this level of greed on a videogame that costs up to around 100€ for the base game and expansions is just unacceptable
The ESO Plus unlimited crafting bag is the only reason I play so rarely. It's so convenient that not having it is not fun, and I rarely get ESO Plus cause having it makes me feel forced to play to not waste money. It's too bad cause I like the game but I wanna play others games too.
As an ESO player it's damn painful to watch how someone can spend their money on things that you can get by just spending a little gold or even as a level up reward. This design is 100% aimed on fresh players cashing out on something that sounds impressive or useful whilst in reality they just need to play the game without spending a buck for awhile and get a taste of the game, probably good idea to ask around if xyz is useful or could be bought later for gold. Confusing ui and descriptions are making them a fortune.
It needs to be said that cancelling an ESO subscription is much more complicated than it needs to be. I have been paying from August 2021 all the way up to last month. I only played the game in that same month of August of 2021. Yup. I don't want to count how much money I lost for something I didn't use.
Filling out home instances was definitely fun, Micky, the rp guild I was in would swap to different homes every session to keep everything from being too samey and it was pretty cool seeing all the decorations and themes
The game is full price. It's also pay-to-play. it also has a premium subscription. It also has microtransactions. Yeah, nah. Indeed many games have some of that, but not all. You find free to play games with a premium subscription that mostly removes tedium. Like faster leveling, more inventory space, shorter dungeon cooldowns, etc. You find free to play games with microtransactions. They sell stuff like inventory slots, exp multipliers, more character slots, etc. But with the good ones you don't need any of that and still have a good time. They can be played just fine without spending, but putting money in adds convenience. You pay because you want to, not because you have to. There are many MMOs with a pay-to-play subscription. Not as many as there used to be, but WoW is an example of an MMO that holds onto that method. Some combine it. Like Destiny 2 where you buy the game and the DLC, but have no subscription. You can play most of the game without additional cost. But it has a season pass, including a premium version that adds more stuff. Apex Legends also has a season pass, but the rewards from the premium version give more premium currency than it costs to buy a season. So you buy once, and as long as you play enough, you never have to buy premium again.
I’m surprised once he wanted to just get rid of it he didn’t just buy the DLC stories. Would be awesome to see him play through some of the storylines. Also, if you are trying to get ESO and not sub, and just want expansions, get the high isle (or whatever expansion is out) collection set. Comes with all the previous expansions plus extra “collection” stuff if you’re into the mounts and stuff. Probably the best deal, I got the non collector one for 20$.
I just bought the Necrom Deluxe Collection on sale for $23. From what I am seeing online, the story content from each expansion will alone make that price worth it. If I enjoy the game enough, I will wait until the upcoming expansion goes on sale in however many months and buy it, hopefully for under $20. Outside of future expansions and the initial cost of entry, it sounds like everything else is not worth it.
Micky D: "Why are you using a Khajiit as the poster child for predatory microtransaction loot crate bollocks, Bethesda?" Ma'Dran: *Khajiit has wares, if you have coin.*
That intro was both hilarious & very impressive to behold. My editing skills may be meagre atm but I can still appreciate the effort you've been putting into your content lately. Not to get too mushy but just wanted to say your an inspiration to this community & to the Elder Scrolls community as a whole. You also inspired me to start uploading my own content & though it pales in comparison to yours, I'm just trying to have fun with it. And who knows if I'm lucky, I could be joining you in the Lime(ware platter) light soon enough 😝
Thank you for the kind words Outlanish and best of luck with your channel! It all takes some practise but I'm sure you'll get there soon. You'll be very surprised at how quick you improve with experience.
Don't understand why people bitch about Skyrim re-releases when ESO has one of the most expensive, expansive, and aggressive store I have ever seen in games. ESO is NOT, TES.
You can do daily and weekly challenges to get a currency called endeavors that can be spent on stuff that are in crown crates but I mean obviously it’s terribly slow
"Its literally just gambling, you might say it isnt but to me it is" No, Micky, it LITERALLY is. You're paying a Khajit real money for him to shuffle a deck of cards and lay down a hand for you. Then you lift the cards and either win or lose depending on random chance. Except you can't win. You liteally cannot win, because none of the items have any value whatsoever. At least with online Poker you have the chance to get money back out of it when the cards favor you.
There's a lot of the store that is paying for convenience. The assistants can be summoned anywhere and used by players in your group, between the merchant and banker you can practically remove the need for visiting towns.
Which seems stupid to me since "going" to town is just a teleport and doesn't take any time. Maybe it would make sense if this were EverQuest and travel was actually a game mechanic instead of a lie.
One of the Zenimax guys who works on the team that does the art designs for ESO and namely the lootboxes came to our school during a career day thing. I of course realised he was on zenimax and not Bethesda but i still made sure to be a annoying little shit and asked him at least 3 times when TES6 is coming out. He just looked at me with the despair of someone who wanted to design art for games as a dream, but got assigned to loot boxes.
Microtransactions should be shamed and not normalized, the amount of content and often useless content that's created just to squeeze a little money out of dedicated fans is genuinely disgusting and scummy.
pointless fact the first instance of a microtransaction that i could find was from an arcade game in 1990 called Double Dragon 3: The Rosetta Stone in which there was an in game store that you could purchase things from using the correct amount of quarters. unless you consider buying health using quarters a micro transaction then i think 1985's gauntlet would have been the first i think (i could very much be wrong)
There is never a reason to EVER buy crowns from the store. The game has an optional active monthly subscription (like WoW) with ESO+ and the crown system is mostly designed as a reward-system for people having an active subscription. If you buy the base game (5 EUR) you mostly get acess to a huge trial version of the game (like in WoW without a monthly subscription). With ESO+ you get access to all content till the last addon (like WoW with a subscription but without buying dragon flight). And with buying the last addon additionally and eso+ active you get the full access (like buying WoW dragon flight and have a subscription). But besides WoW you get rewarded with monthly crowns via ESO+ with that you can in theory buy out all the old dlcs back without the need of a subscription. Or you spend it for comfort stuff / decoration / customization. It is mostly a reward system. If people buy additional crowns it's their own choice. In my opinion this system ist pretty fair for an MMORPG these days compared to games like WoW that does not deliver anything rewarding for actually paying. When your subscription ends your characters are locked and also all you buy from cosmetic shop or boosts only costs additional money. So complaining about microtransaction here is pretty unfair.
The best thing to do is probably pay for a month of Eso plus and rush through all the dlc main story quests if you have the time but I would suggest just playing the free base story quests with the alliances and the coldharbour planemeld.
My theory is that 2 companies made this game. The first one made a really good game and sent it to zenimax, then the big Z got a 2nd team to absolutely fuck it up.
Honestly in my own opinion the best thing you can buy is the helper followers, yeah they do everything that's already free in game but I like being able to stop mid-whatever and sell, decon, fence, and then put the rest in my bank. There's a few other things less gratifying that I bought too but I believe the followers really helped enhance my experience, I also got them all over a span of like 2 years so I don't feel like I dumped to much to fast and have got their worth out of it.
I recommend going through the zones in order of release because there are some characters that you meet in base game zones that appear around the newer dlcs and chapter zones.
"Every other MMO has this" I mean... I don't think that's even necessarily true. Most of the MMOs that are considered rivals to or greater than ESO that I know of don't have a store half as predatory.
Cheers to www.youtube.com/@Joov for joining in during the last section of the video! He's pretty (and I don't say this lightly) epic 😎😎
There are plenty of things you can spend your money on but there's plenty of things you don't need to.
And the part I think that you would enjoy the most is getting to see places that you know from Morrowind but from way before Morrowind
And those really expensive houses are ment more like guild Halls where you can have large groups of people meet there and do things like having crafting tables and stuff like that
Thank you, I will NEVER play a game like this!
@@magicpyroninja that's still ridiculous bro, come on...
Yeah I guess Joov is pretty...
I missed you saying "epic" at first. But, fuck it, I was right the first time.
- get on a voice call
- get all your friends to your 80€ house
- play dnd in there
peak gaming
I thought the same thing
It’s funny because people have actually done that. I’ve seen a few stories on the sub reddit lol.
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Nope I enjoy eso
@@MasterJazz09 People 'enjoy' Heroin, doesn't make it good, or morally acceptable, or a good use of one's time or money.
having your gambling machine mascot automatically say "perseverance is a virtue my friend" is actually just evil
get it because it's a khajiit so it's in character haha give us money
They're acknowledging how scummy their microtransactions are
Oh you're mad? Pay me money bich!
Gambling machine, without the CBBE Physics. Its like paying someone to neuter you. MMO's are just terrible. Bethesda games are just terrible, actually. Modders are the only reason they are worth playing.
@@greenflamingoentertainment8613Bethesda games are amazing what are you speaking about? Fallout 3,4 Elder Scrolls 2,3,4,5, Starfield seems promising, Elder Scrolls Online And Fallout 76 aren't great games but they are more then playable.
That entire crown crate had the contents of like two chests in someone's basement in Oblivion or Morrowind.
Mickyd: 'we can't keep letting them get away with it'
Mickyd: *gives them 150 dollars to get away with it*
Tbf, he’s doing it and showing us what you get so we don’t have to lol. So we see how ridiculous it is.
@@jellymop Its like Coyote Peterson, Stinging himself with some obscure dangerous insect and then writhing on the ground for 10 minutes talking about how terrible it was.
For anyone with a brain, Its pretty obvious it isn't good for you. Its really all just for attention.
And he didn’t even spend them well 😭 good for him tho
Tbh I think the crown store only good to buy the dlc as they are cheaper in the game
150 Euro.
In USD its 164.79$
Large houses are used as Guild Hubs mostly. But the majority of guilds I’ve visited use Psijic Mansion as their base. It’s large, pretty and it was given away for free during Summerset Season.
should join a housing guild, the real end game and see all the large houses they have. its inspirational
@@kayef5724 I saw creative house builds like space ships or AT-AT from star wars
I missed that... So sad..
The biggest problem I have with the crown store is how predatory it is to new players. People already commented how easy it is to get a vampire or werewolf bite for free in game if you just know where or think to ask. And there are plenty of things overpriced for how easy they are to get for free. I tell most people that are interested to avoid buying crowns and if they enjoy the game to just sub for all the DLC content and the craft bag since they give you $15 worth of crowns with each monthly sub. Then you can blow your crowns on whatever or save it up for something actually useful like a banker or merchant or DLC areas you want to have always available.
I've played subscription based games before and I enjoy ESO enough to treat it like one cuz I find it nearly unplayable otherwise. I'm with you on removing key features to make premium being some bullshit.
Underrated comment. Honestly there's so much you can find in the game for no additional real money/crowns. Buying the first pack upgrade (let alone any, though the price does scale up) is just painful to watch because it's like 800 gold from the npc pack merchant. 800 gold is a pittance in this game, even if you're relatively new. The big January login reward (like 20 days of logging in daily) was 100,000 gold. Players are generally helpful in zone chat if they don't think you're trolling, minus the occasional number of people that will troll you. But 99.99% of players will tell you how to avoid the crown store if there is a way around it, because we all know it's terrible.
For context I've played and subscribed since the 2014 launch.
I do not really understand why anyone ever should buy crowns before looking into the game (or store). It takes 10 minutes to realize that the store is mostly optional and more like a "reward system" for the ESO+ subscription model. ESO is a subscription based game with a big extended "trial". But you can theoretically play the trial even endlessly because of the more horizontal focussed progression + champion/paragon system. And if you want to play the game only for the base game, dungeons, veteran base dungeons / raids and all the story from the 3 alliances... damn this all will take 300-1000 hours alone if you are a real TES player and enjoy the dialogues etc.
I got the sub for the game, burned out, forgot about the sub, and came back like, 8 months later expecting to have 8 months worth of crowns, but no. You don't get those crowns for the month if you don't log in.
That's when I knew I was dealing with criminal scum.
@@alexanderrahl7034 Ever tried to contact the support instead of only complaining? I know people had this issue, but there is no login required it sometimes is more of a problem with the subscription system (because you can get the crowns in advance for multiple months) or steam payments (not marked as DLC). People in my guild had this issue too and got it afterwards by the support team. They even write on their website ("As an ESO Plus member, you'll receive 1650 crowns for each month of your membership to spend in the in-game Crown Store.").
@@alexanderrahl7034 you get Crowns once for the yearly sub, monthly for the slightly more expensive monthly sub.
Game fun. Content cool. Store bad 👎🏻
Thanks for having me on the show!!
This is so true
The collab we needed
Yep basically my opinion of ESO
Joov spotted.
I'm subscribed to both of you guys😁
One other thing with houses in ESO is not only are they waaaaay too expensive, the furniture limit is stupidly small. You can have houses the size of a palace and you maybe have enough slots to furniture a room or two, the rest will stay empty. People been asking for higher limit, but response was "we don't play to do anything about it" ;x
Yeah I nearly died laughing when I first went in to the dog house you get for free and found out I could put down one dungeon trophy and the 30 slot chest and thats it 😂 I spent like 30 mins completelly baffled and laughing at that ffs.. the limit makes sense tho because it all takes server space but for them to sell such massive castles and shit ans then you can't do much decorating is stupid..
If it's not related to your subscription status it's probably a console limit, especially if they're still supporting the PS4/XB1 generation. FF14 had similar problems when they were still supporting older generation consoles
I can't wait for the day that Bethesda decides that Daedric Quests are too good for base games, and hides the quests behind a paywall, and THEN the artifact behind another paywall. That's going to be SO much fun, I just know it.
Stop giving Todd ideas
Isn't there already a ton of quests behind paywalls?
Please don’t give me this anxiety. I don’t wanna sound like some “back in my day” asshole but seriously I miss when games were on discs because at least then the game had to be good and playable for people to buy it.
Now they can ship stuff out for $70 and promise to fix the game with updates within 2 years. FUUUUCK I fucking hate AAA studios
u mean like shivering isles🤣
Just like Mehrunes' Razor from Oblivion!
Its nice to see someone calling this out. The greed is incredible.
Whats really incredible is people unironically play this. Or unironically give Bethesda money in any year past 2011.
@@HotRossBuns well 2016 is excused cuz the special edition was quite okay but ye
The money they get from the crown store is put back into the game.
@@NigerianCrusaderYou're hilarious
@@poopikins WHAT DO YOU MEAN
Vampirism can be gotten for free in game if you can find a vampire to bite you.
Usually if you hang around one of the vampire shrines you can get somebody who will offer a bite.
Same thing for werewolves
Meh you might have to wait a while for someone to do it for free. People usually charge a small fee ingame now seeing as you can only do it once a week or something
There are nice players who will do it if you ask, it's how I got it, and now I'm on the very long path to getting level 10 so I can do the same for others
Yeah I managed to do that for a werewolf, and my character still is a werewolf, it's really fun, lmao.
This happened a while ago but I tried to get a werewolf to bite me and the dude scammed me out of like 10k gold. Asshole knew what he was doing because I saw him bite someone else right in front of me before claiming that "no I bit you" when he just did his attack animation at me. My antisocial ass just went and bought the bite right after that instead of trying to find someone else -_-
@@SilvarusLupus anybody who's charging is a douchebag.
And back in the day we used to chase them off the server.
Everybody would be calling them out charging for a bite what's wrong with you trying to scam new players
I wanted to note that most of the smaller houses can be bought with gold in game. Almost everything that isn't a huge mansion fits in this cstegory.
The house you ended up buying is one you can earn through an achievement and buy with gold.
you can even buy a lot of the mansions with gold that aren't limited time lol
If you can pay to skip content in a game that means that it is worth money to not have to play the game.
@@sp0ckz0mbi3 pay to skip overland content for the house? I guess... but it's not like you can pay to skip actually difficult or time consuming content. And you will don't get the achievements related to the content (although you do get the achievement for owning the house itself).
@@Lovefromwcu1 Shouldn't the player be made aware of stuff like that through the game before they make the purchase then, and not have to rely on the internet or playing the game for many hours to learn that? I've seen a few games have simple disclaimers like, "this content can be unlocked through X currency/progression as well".
So not informing the player of their choices when it's so easy, and especially when there's SO MUCH STUFF in the microtransaction store, seems like a deliberate trap for newcomers.
I played ESO consistently for years. I personally found the subscription a pretty decent deal for myself who played so consistently. I didn't get it for the first few months and had no problems, but once I wanted to get into crafting, the subscription was a must. That said, I knew so many people who were spending probably hundreds of dollars a month, some of the houses are well over a hundred to begin with. The crown crates are straight up just predatory bullshit
exactly i just afk on their twitch streams to get their free crates or get them with dlc pre-orders. I've been playing eso probably since 2019 and i wanted to get eso+ but kinda guessed that i just wanted dlc and not the extra stuff with the membership so i havent invested in it. The fear of missing out with a lot of the crown store stuff is way too predatory i feel into that trap before and try to get what i can for free now
@@arseyne see shit like that makes me just not want to touch the game even though I might enjoy it.
@@arseyne honestly it's not bad they give you a monthly allowance of crowns.
And the crafting bag is definitely worth it it's hard to play without it once you've used it.
It's nice being able to go through a whole dungeon without being full at the end and unable to pick up your end reward
@@magicpyroninja yeah the fact they make it so necessary is the problem
“You can play without this item yes, but it’s completely necessary for crafting” is bull to me. I can’t say much because I did buy eso+ mostly for the fact that I wanted to experience stuff without being “held back” in a way but the idea of it is bull and even in other comments on this video you can see ESO white knights defending this game with all there might. Now my opinion is if you have the money to enjoy the game and your not putting yourself at risk do it your decision. But at the end of the day, it is very predatory.
6:04 "a spyro 1 enemy that's been upscaled by AI" is a hilariously accurate description
When ESO releases its new Necrom chapter, you should do a video on Tamriel Rebuilt, specifically walking around the Necrom part of the map
29:34 actually yeah!! My dad has a big ESO guild and they can fill houses, they also have their houses as like a hub with practice dummies and such.
One time someone arranged items so high they played “lawn darts” except your character is the dart jumping from a high place
I think it's really cool your dad has an ESO guild
That's your best opening Mick, that must have taken you ages
"I'll revive you! NOOOO!" Funniest damn thing, just the immediate drowning, it was like a smash-cut in real time.
I'd honestly love to see you play through the stories as they are the only thing in eso that actually made me want to play it!
Story and dungeons are quality, I recommend it :) But use Eso plus.
@@miroslavzima8856 I'll try it, but I'll never pay twice for a game.
@@TheTuttle99 shy tuttle?
@@TheTuttle99 plus is on of the few times its worth it lol unlimited crafting mats bag ,costume dyeing , a good amount of crowns and extra spaces
I really dont get the hate for this game
From what I remember, 100 crowns is equal to $1 USD, so the big houses cost the equivalent of $50-100+... that's ridiculous
It's meant for people who play the game alot, that's why it's so expensive.
@@NigerianCrusader Imagine thinking that's an actual excuse for egregiously overpriced pixels. It's unbelievably pathetic how much of a dog you are for a multi-million dollar company.
Not like you can get House from quest or achievement; y’all ever have play to a MMORPG?
@@NigerianCrusader So it exploits people's emotional attachment to the game?
@@hedgehog3180 No, the amount of free crowns you get just for being subscribed would make those end games houses affordable in like 6 months of being subbed to the game.
You paying actual currency for pack upgrades it nearly killed me
especially since you can get all the gold you need for the upgrades in like one day lol
When he was talking about paying 600 crowns for a house you can buy for 1000 gold and saying it was reasonable, I just shut it off. Really does not look like he is looking at anything with any depth.
@@The_Conundrum_Crew then you missed the entire point. New players are fooled exactly like this by the crown store because it's designed to trick you.
@@xX.D3DP00L_Xx I was a new player. I saw that basic house from playing long before looking at the crown store for houses. Don't bullshit me on how a youtube streamer actually plays games like a new player.
@@The_Conundrum_Crew and don't bullshit me who has about 8000 hrs into this game. I know exactly how that trash crown store works. Sit down toxic casual
One guy I sometimes play with bought like 100+ gamble boxes to get that bear with the moose horns mount. Paying MORE than what mickyD spent.
He had only been playing for a couple of months. It was insane. The mount didn't even look good, nor did it fit the aesthetic of his character. He basically fronted the costs for all the megaservers across all platforms for like an hour.
Moral of the story:
Gambling sucks, whales are a thing.
From what I've seen the big expensive houses are usually used as guild halls
What people have been asking for for decades:
Main line TES co-op mode
What we got:
"This one suggests you buy a crate from the store"
Would love to see you give the story content in all the chapters a go, best aspect of the game imo
The smaller zone dlc can also be pretty great
yeah its soo much etter when the story is done on order,i will never understand why they start players near the end
The reason story content is best aspect of the game, becasue it's kinda the only aspect of a game that gets love from devs lol
@@mayalewis2956 i think that is a choice you can make tho, if i am not mistaken?
@@zerrierslizer1 no they just mean a tutorial (the tutorial is also in the latest area)
As for the pointless water area in that house, one thing you can do is craft platforms as furniture and create a dock. Put some dock related stuff out there, maybe an npc houseguest or two, and you got yourself a "lived in " area that was literally nothing before
Hello Michward Dickens, I beta tested ESO. They didn't exactly add microtransactions, they've always had them 😂
But they added more, much much much much much more.
I'm pretty sure he said they Started them...
Here's your participation trophy good sir.🏆 lpl
The only things in the shop in old ESO were Imperial upgrade and one horse, IIRC. And they were WAY cheaper than stuff in store nowadays.
I miss the old ESO and it's competent and passionate dev team.
I beta tested ESO, too and loot crates weren't a thing back then and this is only one example, meaning they added tons of microtransactions to the game
If you hate a game, atleast be honest with your critique on it.
This monetization style has killed so many games for me. It's not just the store and not just the constant advertising, it's also the game design that suffers.
The money they recieve from the store is put back into the game.
@@NigerianCrusader As opposed to what? That's literally just how companies work, they use the money they make from sales to pay for production and possible expansion. It's not a fucking charitable endevor it's literally the most basic aspect of how a company works.
@@hedgehog3180 Yeah, but there needs to be a balance.
Sure, a company's goal is to make money. That's how capitalism works. But if they offer a product, they also need customers that buy the product. So they can't be too greedy, otherwise they lose customers, or don't have them to begin with.
And I'm absolutely in favour of supporting companies that offer a good product for a fair price.
I've spent money in a couple f2p games before. Because those games are fair, both in terms of pricing and of being able to play without having to spend.
I gave them money because I wanted to, because the product they offer is enjoyable and I wanted to give something back.
This first-hand video approach to what you receive in game for your Dollar is a lot better for viewers to understand than most youtubers who only quickly slap a few numbers on screen.
I love ESO - sunk so much time before buying anything - and never felt needing to actually buy anything. Craft bag is the only thing that really feels predatory - but it can overcome by not hoarding and organizing.
Only ever bought crowns for DLCs which are generally worth it.
The house interiors seem oddly scaled, compared to the walls and stairs the character looks 5'4".
Somewhat similar to how the main door in the Forbidden Zone in Fallout New Vegas: Old World Blues is scaled. Roughly twice the regular size.
Yeah. I can understand why gates are big, they made like that for you to be able to ride in on your horse/mount. But regular doors in houses...
@@W4iteFlame guys, that all depends on what height you give to your character.
@@Cptn8993 are you speaking theoretically or is there an actual character creation slider that can make your TESO character a giant? I don't remember it from Beta and that is all I know
You can’t make your character taller but there are furnishings/npc’s you can put in your house that are pretty big
Basic mmo scale
So glad to see you do more ESO! With that said the store is awful for new players, since they wont know that many things are either free, easy to earn, or just cost gold to purchase. DLC/Chapters are the only thing worth investing in the crownstore tbh
When ESO first came out I spent the whole summer playing it, You could only become a werewolf by activating a monument that only activated once an hour to one person. Or by a player giving it to you but they could only do it once a week I think .
I got the beast blood by my friend "DrSmokingBud" who I thought was an actual doctor, he wasn't lmao.
That's not true lol. There were rare spawn werewolves that only spawned on a full moon around the map. You needed to get attacked by them to contract the disease. It was either that, or get bitten by another player. Idk where you got the monument from lol.
Assistant banker and traders are not only for your house. You can summon them everywhere, except PvP content. Your group members are able to use them btw.
Yeah I love my crow frands
The bag upgrades don’t transfer to other characters lol. Plus the only other method to increase the bag space per character is to use crowns or to buy it with in game gold. The cost ramps up per upgrade
And the 13,000 thieves Oasis thing is a house not a dlc. You could buy several major dlcs and still have left over crowns compared to the giant house purchase
Yeah the bag upgrades with in game gold are cheap but get progressively more expensive. You never have to pay a cent. Daily writs give you extra gold, playing the game, etc even casually playing. Those crown store bag upgrades are predatory.
"is it really a reward if I bought it?" is the question that separates the pay pigs from the commissioners
Few notes: the bag upgrades can be gotten with ingame gold, and the crown crate consumables are outclassed by crafted consumables. Most of the houses that are always in the crown store can be bought with gold. And for the housing, you can place your mounts and pets like furnishings, and even set them on paths to walk around your house. And you can make a dock with furnishings yourself down in the ocean. The vampirism and lycanthropy both can be given for free by other players. There no P2W parts to the crown store, it's either pay for convenience or cosmetic.
Though you spending crowns on many of these things show how the crown store is predatory towards people who don't know better.
If you want someone to help you settle into ESO, lemme know.
lol extreme example as you show the band extreme on the tv. im old too i appreciate the reference. now thats komedy
oy i got a heart from mickey d, i can die happy now. mr mickey please steal my music, its free.
Micky you don't need to buy DLC for us to be your friends
EOS without paying for all the stuff is an inventory sorting simulator.
You’ve gotten so good at editing Mickey! The quality of your videos just keep going up
I'm glad someone bigger than me is putting a spotlight on how insane the monetization for this game is.
Usually you expect a company to only single dip when it comes to monetization, with the worst of the worst like EA being expected to double dip at worst.
What I mean is, you either have a f2p game with microtransactions, a paid game without microtransactions, or sometimes a f2p game with a premium semi-required subscription, those are "single dip". Then you have a paid game with microtransacitons, and that's the double dip.
ESO is the TRIPLE DIP. It's a paid game, with paid expansions, with a semi-required subscription, with microtransactions. It's insane, actually insane and nothing comes close.
"Other MMOs are the same!" No they are not. WoW and FF14 are both double dip games, paid content and a sub, they do not have any gameplay microtransactions of any kind beyond the controversial level boost purchase. You can't, however, gain any advantage on them with real money in any way, and they definitely don't lock vital game mechanics out if you don't pay extra, like ESO does.
oh yeah, also! if you want to be a vampire or a werewolf its totally free, you just need to ask zone or guild chat and usually people would just happily give u a bite.
also curing them only need like a small amount of gold at the local temple thats it lol, dont let the crown store fool you! its like a trap sometimes
That sounds opaque and misleading, like a maybe predatory practice
@@GreenEyedDazzler it is, sadly :(
@@GreenEyedDazzler it requires literally 2 brain cells to google "how to become a vampire in ESO" and find that you can do that for free in 5 minutes...
Easily the thing that puts me off playing ESO the most, is the fact that they both charge for the DLCs and also have a subscription model. SWTOR, the only MMO I actually play, gives you permanent access to all DLC that are out when you subscribe.
Hot damn I knew ESO had microtransactions but I had no idea it was this bad.
It's honestly really bad, BUT thank fuck it isn't p2w
It’s bad but it’s completely optional. Majority of the items are cosmetic and at least it isn’t p2w
All the gameplay altering items are really common and pretty useless. So it's pretty much just cosmetics.
Still pretty bad though with the prices
@@pedropedro1 they literally give out the stuff he gotten from the crates for free in mass quantities, and literally everything he got from them was more easily obtainable and cheaper to get in game than to use the crates. The potions and food from the crates really only serve the function of breaking down into gems to buy specific items you want from the crates. even the xp scrolls. Nobody is buying crown crates for a couple potions that they can make with less than 5 minutes of work or are literally given hundreds of for free which the game is pretty transparent about.
The real pay to win practices comes with the release of new dlcs which introduce new sets that end up being overpowered in pvp and end up being nerfed whenever a new dlc comes out.
@@mihawk508 I mean when they release new Mythic items they're always broken making people buy them. "But you have to farm them in game", it's just pay2win with extra steps. When a overpowered item is literally locked behind a paywall that's the definition of pay2win.
They also allow RMT and buying in game gold with crowns, essentially cutting out the middle man and not needing to even farm items and just buy any gear, paying for trials, specific dungeon gear or upgrades etc. This isn't too bad because it can all be farmed in game, well if you have the corresponding DLC or subscription you've paid for that is.
2:52 Your music references are one of the main reasons I watch your videos. Was NOT expecting More Than Words.
... I may have been a crown crate addict at one point.
I actually enjoy playing ESO in small bursts and i use my crowns to decorate my digital home because I will never own a real home.
Because my mortgage is spent in ESO homes.
Potions, Foods, Drinks, and Soul Gems are all cheap and plentiful in the game and do not require cash shop purchases.
If something is not listed as account-wide, assume it is per-character. (Yes, especially bag space and bank slots, which can also be unlocked without spending a cent, but the higher ranks cost a ridiculous amount of Septims.)
There are DLC and Chapters. DLC are smaller, more frequent content drops that may add just a single zone, and a pack of dungeons, and Chapters are just the Expansions, those are money only, no crowns. The DLC will always have a steep discount on their respective release anniversaries, as well.
Consumables from the Crown Crates can be exchanged for extra Crown Gems from by opening the Gem Extraction menu from the Crown Crate overlay.
Also Crowns are not at a ratio of 100 to $1, and the cost of Crown shop items will always leave you with slightly too little to buy anything else without buying more crowns.
P.S. the actual game itself is VERY fun and there is some great value to be had, it's just a crying shame that it has to be marred by the predatory cash shop.
I could never feel immersed in an MMO. They are effectively theme parks, but you can't bring any souveniers home!
I mean you literally can own a home, and decorate. I mean Skyrim is also a theme park “you can go this way”
The game is open world but it’s on rails to some degree. Eso has most of Tamriel and if you play solo it’s really not much different from Skyrim just in more of Tamriel the combat is different but who cares no one plays an elder scrolls
Game for combat they play for the lore (unless you are one of those weird mmo fans who play any mmo for sick pvp action …
Which is appears a lot
Do and get disappointed the game is really designed for tes fans and not mmo fans).
FFXIV
Try osrs :)
@@TheVioletBunny They are theme parks because all players have the same experience as visitors. You line up for "attractions" while seeing other visitors do the same, and all the NPCs are costumed actors repeating the same thing to everyone.
@@maurice5402 OSRS community seems to have gotten extra sweaty. Last time I played, most of my friends wouldn’t even chat in game cause they were too busy running like 6 accounts at once
I know myself well enough that I don't allow myself to play games like this. I'm a collector and that is not a good match with a game that has so many microtransactions and gambling, and premium currency on top of premium currency. I was buying premium currency in another game (on sale! bulk discount! limited time only!) and realized I was spending 500 dollars. That could have gone to pay down my credit card. THAT'S what they really need to do to regulate this stuff: stop allowing games to use premium currencies to hide the money people are spending. Have all the in-game shops you like; sell players anything you want. *But force games to list every item in the standard currency for the player's country.* That would slash the effectiveness of these predatory systems.
my god the amount of editing just on the first mins of the vid, i alrdy know this video will be a treat.
also fun fact, there are crown to gold exchange discord specificly made to trade gold for crowns, so basicly you give the person the gold and he gifts you the item or dlc or whatever from the crown store. it also comes with a witness and if any of em tries to run off the person gets refunded and the person who ran gets blacklisted from the discord.
after each transaction the person gets a point to his profile to show how many succesful transactions he did to see if he's trustworthy.
Not "to you it seems like gambling" IT IS GAMBLING. It literally is the definition of gambling. This is why there are several countries that have passed laws against this shit.
I was curious about the housing in eso and you can actually buy most houses without spending crowns but you can also buy those houses with crowns.
@@Moebz818 Prefurnished houses cost crowns, but usually there is a non-crown price in gold that's pretty reasonable. Newer noble homes seem to be 50-50 crowns only though.
@@Moebz818 you could get homes without real money, I was able to get one way back when I was still in school and not making money
I played a LOT of ESO a few years back, I remember basically none of it beyond grinding white gold tower and my guild's daily quest run. The clearest memory I have is hanging out in that big mansion player owned house with most of the people in our guild. They had a training dummy set up while people tweaked their build to max their damage.
Still the closest most Gen Zers will ever get to owning their own home.
just a little add up : The game also has "seals of endeavour" which you can earn by daily and weekly quests. With these seals you also can place all the things you can buy with the gems. It is pretty grindy though if you want the high rewards, but at least you can buy some things with it oncce in a while
I can't wait for TES6 where Bethesda will hopefully give us a subscription option to remove weight that doesn't give us an in game option like Skyrim where you can enchant armor to do that.
Cant wait to find out that TES 6 is not a multiplayer game so you dont have to pay money as a developer to keep the game running
the real eso sin is how much the mer refer to themselves as elves, once heard a dunmer native to morrowind say 'dark elf' unironically and i think i had a stroke
TESO is my MMO of choice and I am glad to see you cover it some more.
Believe me even with my probably thousand or so hours sunk into the game I still just stick to buying Expansions/DLC since that's proper content. I have plenty of cosmetics, mounts, pets, etc, from just grinding out the game. So that works for me. I always ward other potential players away from spending any cash for that reason.
But man, it's painful seeing ya spend dosh on things you *can* get through gameplay. Anyways
I prefer new world where I had to physically search for the store . It’s nice not having it thrown in my face in a game.
Microtransactios on free to play games are kinda understandable to a certain degree because the money has to come from somewhere, but this level of greed on a videogame that costs up to around 100€ for the base game and expansions is just unacceptable
The ESO Plus unlimited crafting bag is the only reason I play so rarely. It's so convenient that not having it is not fun, and I rarely get ESO Plus cause having it makes me feel forced to play to not waste money. It's too bad cause I like the game but I wanna play others games too.
As an ESO player it's damn painful to watch how someone can spend their money on things that you can get by just spending a little gold or even as a level up reward.
This design is 100% aimed on fresh players cashing out on something that sounds impressive or useful whilst in reality they just need to play the game without spending a buck for awhile and get a taste of the game, probably good idea to ask around if xyz is useful or could be bought later for gold. Confusing ui and descriptions are making them a fortune.
Fuck microtransactions. The more we put up the worse it gets. It's nice to hear someone say "these are my favourite games but I'm not gonna shill"
It needs to be said that cancelling an ESO subscription is much more complicated than it needs to be. I have been paying from August 2021 all the way up to last month. I only played the game in that same month of August of 2021. Yup. I don't want to count how much money I lost for something I didn't use.
Filling out home instances was definitely fun, Micky, the rp guild I was in would swap to different homes every session to keep everything from being too samey and it was pretty cool seeing all the decorations and themes
The game is full price.
It's also pay-to-play.
it also has a premium subscription.
It also has microtransactions.
Yeah, nah.
Indeed many games have some of that, but not all.
You find free to play games with a premium subscription that mostly removes tedium. Like faster leveling, more inventory space, shorter dungeon cooldowns, etc.
You find free to play games with microtransactions. They sell stuff like inventory slots, exp multipliers, more character slots, etc. But with the good ones you don't need any of that and still have a good time. They can be played just fine without spending, but putting money in adds convenience. You pay because you want to, not because you have to.
There are many MMOs with a pay-to-play subscription. Not as many as there used to be, but WoW is an example of an MMO that holds onto that method.
Some combine it. Like Destiny 2 where you buy the game and the DLC, but have no subscription. You can play most of the game without additional cost. But it has a season pass, including a premium version that adds more stuff.
Apex Legends also has a season pass, but the rewards from the premium version give more premium currency than it costs to buy a season. So you buy once, and as long as you play enough, you never have to buy premium again.
I’m surprised once he wanted to just get rid of it he didn’t just buy the DLC stories.
Would be awesome to see him play through some of the storylines.
Also, if you are trying to get ESO and not sub, and just want expansions, get the high isle (or whatever expansion is out) collection set. Comes with all the previous expansions plus extra “collection” stuff if you’re into the mounts and stuff. Probably the best deal, I got the non collector one for 20$.
I just bought the Necrom Deluxe Collection on sale for $23. From what I am seeing online, the story content from each expansion will alone make that price worth it. If I enjoy the game enough, I will wait until the upcoming expansion goes on sale in however many months and buy it, hopefully for under $20. Outside of future expansions and the initial cost of entry, it sounds like everything else is not worth it.
Micky D: "Why are you using a Khajiit as the poster child for predatory microtransaction loot crate bollocks, Bethesda?"
Ma'Dran: *Khajiit has wares, if you have coin.*
That intro was both hilarious & very impressive to behold. My editing skills may be meagre atm but I can still appreciate the effort you've been putting into your content lately.
Not to get too mushy but just wanted to say your an inspiration to this community & to the Elder Scrolls community as a whole. You also inspired me to start uploading my own content & though it pales in comparison to yours, I'm just trying to have fun with it. And who knows if I'm lucky, I could be joining you in the Lime(ware platter) light soon enough 😝
Thank you for the kind words Outlanish and best of luck with your channel! It all takes some practise but I'm sure you'll get there soon. You'll be very surprised at how quick you improve with experience.
@@MickyD Your very welcome, let's both keep doing our best 😊
I think we're at the point where countries need to start putting in laws to help deter blatantly predatory monetary systems.
Don't understand why people bitch about Skyrim re-releases when ESO has one of the most expensive, expansive, and aggressive store I have ever seen in games.
ESO is NOT, TES.
You can do daily and weekly challenges to get a currency called endeavors that can be spent on stuff that are in crown crates but I mean obviously it’s terribly slow
Those goblins aren't vibing, they're three to torment you, to always follow you because you have the staff.
You know its preditory when I have never even played this game and watching someone buy stuff on the shop gave me an itch to do it myself
"Its literally just gambling, you might say it isnt but to me it is"
No, Micky, it LITERALLY is. You're paying a Khajit real money for him to shuffle a deck of cards and lay down a hand for you. Then you lift the cards and either win or lose depending on random chance.
Except you can't win. You liteally cannot win, because none of the items have any value whatsoever. At least with online Poker you have the chance to get money back out of it when the cards favor you.
I watched the whole video from start to finish like you asked me, can I get out of the basement now, MickyD?
We'll see
There's so many free mods for Skyrim that give you vastly more impressive player homes than that.
yeah i love eso, but i hate the predatory crown crates, spent a bit years ago, and kind of regret it
There's a lot of the store that is paying for convenience. The assistants can be summoned anywhere and used by players in your group, between the merchant and banker you can practically remove the need for visiting towns.
Which seems stupid to me since "going" to town is just a teleport and doesn't take any time. Maybe it would make sense if this were EverQuest and travel was actually a game mechanic instead of a lie.
Another way to describe it: the game is designed to be inconvenient so they can sell you stuff.
One of the Zenimax guys who works on the team that does the art designs for ESO and namely the lootboxes came to our school during a career day thing. I of course realised he was on zenimax and not Bethesda but i still made sure to be a annoying little shit and asked him at least 3 times when TES6 is coming out. He just looked at me with the despair of someone who wanted to design art for games as a dream, but got assigned to loot boxes.
Im very glad someone of ur channel size uses the term for what these new games do "predatory microtransactions"
Microtransactions should be shamed and not normalized, the amount of content and often useless content that's created just to squeeze a little money out of dedicated fans is genuinely disgusting and scummy.
I totes forgot about those to be continued videos. My little bro loved those
pointless fact the first instance of a microtransaction that i could find was from an arcade game in 1990 called Double Dragon 3: The Rosetta Stone in which there was an in game store that you could purchase things from using the correct amount of quarters.
unless you consider buying health using quarters a micro transaction then i think 1985's gauntlet would have been the first i think (i could very much be wrong)
My house is called Lakeview Manor and it's just outside of Riften. My main is a Nord and The Rift is the prettiest hold.
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Every single time Mick uses Ratchet and Clank music I will make sure to timestamp it.
Surprised someone caught that one
There is never a reason to EVER buy crowns from the store. The game has an optional active monthly subscription (like WoW) with ESO+ and the crown system is mostly designed as a reward-system for people having an active subscription. If you buy the base game (5 EUR) you mostly get acess to a huge trial version of the game (like in WoW without a monthly subscription). With ESO+ you get access to all content till the last addon (like WoW with a subscription but without buying dragon flight). And with buying the last addon additionally and eso+ active you get the full access (like buying WoW dragon flight and have a subscription). But besides WoW you get rewarded with monthly crowns via ESO+ with that you can in theory buy out all the old dlcs back without the need of a subscription. Or you spend it for comfort stuff / decoration / customization. It is mostly a reward system. If people buy additional crowns it's their own choice. In my opinion this system ist pretty fair for an MMORPG these days compared to games like WoW that does not deliver anything rewarding for actually paying. When your subscription ends your characters are locked and also all you buy from cosmetic shop or boosts only costs additional money. So complaining about microtransaction here is pretty unfair.
The best thing to do is probably pay for a month of Eso plus and rush through all the dlc main story quests if you have the time but I would suggest just playing the free base story quests with the alliances and the coldharbour planemeld.
My theory is that 2 companies made this game. The first one made a really good game and sent it to zenimax, then the big Z got a 2nd team to absolutely fuck it up.
Honestly in my own opinion the best thing you can buy is the helper followers, yeah they do everything that's already free in game but I like being able to stop mid-whatever and sell, decon, fence, and then put the rest in my bank. There's a few other things less gratifying that I bought too but I believe the followers really helped enhance my experience, I also got them all over a span of like 2 years so I don't feel like I dumped to much to fast and have got their worth out of it.
8:36 Bethesda has wares, if you have coin
Locked branch of Skyrim SE updated just 5 hours ago, is the whole new micro transaction revive methinks
26:05 That's not a deal, that's FOMO. ESO is notorious for that.
I recommend going through the zones in order of release because there are some characters that you meet in base game zones that appear around the newer dlcs and chapter zones.
"Every other MMO has this" I mean... I don't think that's even necessarily true. Most of the MMOs that are considered rivals to or greater than ESO that I know of don't have a store half as predatory.
Hey Micky I hope you feel better soon man, we all love you ❤
I still really enjoy these long videos to sit down with, I don't know if you're ever unsure about uploading but there you go
ZeniMax appreciates your blood sacrifice.
There are music boxes obtainable from archeological excavations.